Actually in a sort of perverse way< i'm enjoying the current (2023) era of ML the most. The price increases in 2022 and the windowless packaging/lowered QC made me dial it way down in terms of ML collecting, and it's been very refreshing. When you're a collector for a given line, you have this mindset that locks you into trying to buy as many of the figures as possible, hence "collecting". But once you're out of it, you are free to pick and choose like an outsider. ML right now has some of the best figures in its history. The new Black Widow on that highly articulated body is a good example. It's like a gold nugget in a sea of shit, so you just pluck it out and be happy.
This is what I've been doing the entire time I've been buying. I'm only interested in certain Avengers and X-Men. I've never understood the completist mindset.
@collegerebel there are just some people that genuinely enjoy and love everything and there’s nothing wrong with that. Just like there’s nothing wrong with cherry pickers in only getting the few in what they love.
Seriously, I just picked up that new Black Widow and it’s fucking awesome! Definitely a favorite. So was Spiral and The Mojo 3 pack (since I got it on a warehouse sale). I’m kinda onto MAFEX. Manny, is PlazaJapan legit? I pre-ordered the MAFEX Phoenix at BBTS, but PlazaJapan has it for like $70
Nah corporate greed ruined it marvel legends sales in those years were so dominant that corporate said hey let's jump prices and cut back on quality cause people still continue to support the line
Great analysis of the latest years of Marvel Legends. The price value increase , the less deco details , less paints and simplistic molds sometimes, the not so good created windowless packaging and the mcu focus lines did a lot of bad input to the line. I may undeterstqnd that some people want to see what they get on tv or in the movies but comics characters first , back to basis and more fun and somehow they seem to have lost it and as a collector also I seem to have less fun doing so. I collect less and less marvel legends focusing on other lines like G.I.Joe ‘s , MOTU masterverse or even DC Mc Farlane stuff. All seem to have something that is not working the way it used to. The increase of price value of the toys is a great example, you won’t buy so easily a 30 $figure as you used to with a 19 $ figure . You could buy a set for lower price but now box sets at 70 or 80 $ are far too expensive for what we get with that. And we get less details paint in the characters it’s disappointing ( I won t even mention SW Black Series where they have quite zero options with their figures) … it can seem negative but let’s just hope it stands something positive out of this where they will react and provide something new more attractive to the fans we are not just cash machines buying it all with closed eyes we want fun too and lately it seems most of us don’t have that much fun anymore
I have such a great love and nostalgia for 2015-2019 That’s when I had the most love for Legends. It’s faded away over the years due to decisions made by Hasbro.
It was fun hunting for figures back in those days. When you find something like Mysterio, Beast, or Cyclops and Jean 2 pack it feels like treasure in your hand. Now with the quality going down, price going up, and windowless package all the excitement is gone. Bought very few this year and have moved on to GI Joe Classified line.
I think 2019 was the peak. For me, things started going downhill after the pandemic hit. The last wave I remember being truly impressed with was the Super Skrull wave that came out in December 2019/January 2020. I think character selection has been stronger in 2023 than 2020, 2021, or 2022, but value has tanked with less paint, less accessories, and figures going on clearance left and right. I also don’t think you can understate the positive impact an ascending MCU had on the line or the negative impact a descending MCU has had on the line.
Holy 💩! I was thinking exactly the same thing!!! I remember the quality of She-Hulk & Doctor Doom and being blown away. Then (if i remember correctly) we started getting 💩 like Black Tom & I was like "dafuq?!"
@@leyenda6149 I swear I’m not making this up, but Black Tom was my “What happened to this line?!?” moment as well. He was near the top of my most wanted villains list because he was always paired withJuggernaut in the early years of the Claremont/Cockrum/Byrne run, but I remember getting him and thinking “This has got to be the most boring ML figure I’ve ever seen.” Granted, he’s not the most visually stunning character to begin with, but the figure had absolutely no personality. The magic was definitely gone. She-Hulk and Doom, though? Man. Two of the best MLs ever made in my book!
This was a great topic, especially for those of us who are long-term collectors of the line. The peak has to be 2019, it'ssomethingi think about often.
Such a stellar year with great character selections and accessories. You got a lot of bang for your buck at that time. Even more bang for your Bucky cap lol
Legends were fun because they produced the most character variation and the price points were reasonable when they ranged between 14.99-19.99. Once they breached the $21.99 the value was no longer there. Im glad my kids were young and got to play with these figs during the peak of the line. I didnt buy 1 ML between 2020-2022 and just bought my first legends last week on clearance for $9.99. Will only purchase ML on sale or clearance prices. I rather purchase an import fig nowadays. Good video. 👍
Firing Bobby Vala was a catastrophe for this line, and this video is the proof. So many of the things you loved he had a hand in. And you didn't even mention the 12 inch line he designed.
@@Xmanny87 Wait, Bobby Vala was with Hasbro up until 2019? I thought he was fired around 2015? I had no clue. So Ryan, Dan and Dwight are more recent than I thought.
Great work on this one Xmanny. As a Marvel comic book character action figure collector, the demise of the ML brand has been a pretty dreadful experience. Yet, that cannot compare to the experience you influencers have experienced. Trying to be objective must be getting more difficult to achieve.
the fact that they thought that people wanted a Morbius reissue before an Agent Venom reissue says everything about the issues with ML, the line is going to tank sooner or later.
Manny good video my dude and awesome to see you on the 3POA. My favorite years are the 2018-2020. The figures were awesome you'd get accessories and the price at the time you didn't feel robbed. We're over half way through the year and doing a top 10 Marvel Legends list seems impossible... I've been investing more into Classified and Valaverse at this point and catching legends on clearance, hell I've been able to get the last couple of waves complete at $12.50 a figure.
2017 Was The Year Of Marvel Legends I Remember Buying GOTG Vol. 2 Star-Lord Drax Homemade Suit Spider-Man Netflix Daredevil Punisher Jessica Jones Comic Bullseye Black Panther Okoye Wave + You Forgot About Black Widow Wave X-Men Age Of Apocalypse And X-Men 20th Anniversary Movie Figures
I think what made those 2019-2020 the best was completing the Jim Lee X-Men lineups. Growing up in Peru I never even had the chance to own the ToyBiz ones. So getting those was top core satisfaction. I doubt I’ll get again
Bruh I feel like after inflation the Hasbro team hasn’t been confident in their product and what they’d like to offer us. Which is not entirely their fault.
I saw the eternals, age of apocalypse, black Panther legacy, some of love and thunder, armadillo, Rintrah, and some deluxe today. It’s shocking how many of these legends don’t sell and get sent to discount stores. I got them when they were still new, but it’s nice to see them discounted. Especially if they’re army builders or good figures for customs.
This video was great, a topic I’d love to see you do is a sort of “I run the show, this is what I’d do” video where you come up with all the waves for a year of legends, I think that could be pretty fun
The best era imo was 80th Ann campaign through the 20th ML Ann mixed with Spider-Man Ann in 2022 minus the price gouging. A lot of nice retro carded figures from 2019 to 2022. I’m diggin some of the Avengers Ann stuff but I do lack the excitement like back in the day when the Toyfare mag came out. The best year I’d say is 2022
I always remember getting so hyped when Magik was in the book of vishanti sdcc box set because she was the first mutant in a loooooooong time. Good times. Love me some legends
The culmination of hascrap was when the Nick Fury ,with the three heads came out. You got a army builder for 18.99$ . After that the mcu started. And complaints. ❤
I wouldn’t say that Legends have peaked. More like it was a slow incline from 2012-2017/18, and then 2019 the line really blew up with a strong focus on the 90’s and it’s been going steady since. We’re getting some awesome figures this year and I can’t wait to see what they reveal at SDCC.
IMO it was the year that the super skrull baf came out. I absolutely understand the need to avoid making no brainer figures so they don't blow their load leaving them with no great figures to make in the future but I feel ML has overplayed their hand & also cut way too many corners to cost save. Hasbro still gets my money occasionally but far less of it. My guess is that many of us are cherry picking more & more exclusively
2019/2020 is the best IMO. 80th anniversary line: one of the best like still not the best versions of spectacular/classic characters IMO definetly best part of 2019. X-men 20th anniversary, finally after so many years fox movie x-men and really cool rerelases, first appearance of retro spider-man wave, BIG Haslab Sentinel, some deluxe figures, war machine, punisher on motorcycle, Monster Venom, really cool mcu 2packs, movie venom and first appearance of one of the best ML bodymolds of all time, Venompool. Absolute carnage still the best one by hasbro, retro x-men first time, Best dr doom still, and super skrull. But I was really tempted to choose 21/22 cause continuation of retro spider-man line and maaaan what good figures we had: Lizard, sandman, rhino, symbiote spidey, animated series Venom, shocker, hammerhead etc. But mainly: Spider-man 60th anniversary line. Man that was one of dream come true, after almost perfect retro spidey we finally got BEST Spider-man of all time the RyV one with really cool spinneret, amazing fantasy, Animated series spidey, japanese, silk and ock, iron spider, knull and best venom of all time . Second best venom from 3pack XD, Mojo what a cool deluxe, VHS x-men and best tiger stripe wolverine of all time AGAIN XD. Marvel legends 20th anniversary such a cool line, hulk cool upgrade, perfect captain america except shield but f it. Iron man which was fine and after 20 years Finally Toad ! Beast with labcoat. cool single releases jigsaw, baron zemo, Modular Iron man turned into capcom/cartoon I love it, The best daredevil by far in this scale, GORR I was really hyped (still have to get him tho XD) 2022 is like second best ML year IMO. but Hobgoblin disappointment I still can't forgive them about this one. Man I was so pissed. and 2021 which wasn't that bad that was wave of villains: Thanos, MODOK, Ultron, Lady Deathstrike,. A wolverine 5pack. Finally battle damaged wolverine, cool omega red upgrade, cyber etc.., IRON MAN Wave modular, iron heart, stealth, cool baf goddamn ursa major and infinity saga wave was really fine I liked it. Surtur, Quicksilver, Final battle thanos and iron man, iron monger, such a good iron man mark 3 finally, warrior endgame thor. So I can say last 4 years were so good, and I wouldn't put a cross on 2023, still it Didn't end and we did get so cool figures: animated ock with finally freakin bendy wired tentacles, now green goblin which looks really dope for me, BLOB, Ronan, Extremis Iron man , Ultimate cap technically even better one than previous, 3 Movie spider-men and there is still no way home wave waiting for us, Avengers anniversary line is SIC. Iron man model 1, PERFECT Black widow and hawkeye, Ant man, destroyer, first appearance hulk and banner, still really liked New Gamerverse Peter Parker that's what I expected and I got it only pissed cause no full sets of hands. Joe Fixit, Really like they rerelased gladiator hulk, now newly announced deadpool and bob. I think this year has more to offer and there are still cool things waiting for us. okay that's enough I said what I wanted XD
The X-Men retro wave is 2023 and is amazing. We also got training suit X-Men. Hard to say it's a crappy year. I think the cost has just soured people. But if Hasbro starts re-releasing classic characters we love with new pinless tech and face printing I think most would be back in. Kind of like how everyone wants that new Daredevil from the 3 pack and the new Hawkeye.
Ehh, that late 2022 3-Pack Daredevil was a serious let down. Short in scale, too scrawny, cheaped out on the paint job and made him pretty much all the same red, the D’s didn’t stand out enough and not enough hands. In fact, hoping for a better updated one in the near future.
Personally I prefer the mcu stuff, if helps me not need to buy everything, I get movie figures, figures from the animated x men and Spider-Man series, that’s it 🤷🏾♂️ I just got a walgreens war machine for a kitbash project and man that thing comes with waaaaay more accessories than the current figures
Oh if you are an MCU figure collector, for sure it’s going to be better because of so much content being put out so more figures. They always get the brand new, amazing sculpts most of the time. I’m happy for MCU collectors but us comic collectors don’t get all those newly tooled sculpts so we always feel pushed aside and ripped off.
I still love pizza-spidey for a young twenty something version. The quality of the juggernaut baf wave is what caught my attention and got me started collecting. ML’s peak POINT for me was 2018 with the Apocalypse wave. The peak era I’d expand to 2017-2020. The first decline I noticed was Warpaths head. He looks 105 yo. Head too big, too high. Slowly there were more and more. Green Rogue with fart expressions. AOA cyclops. Sue Storm. That’s the era we’re in now. Crappy heads.
2018 is when I jumped into the line due to the Apocalypse baf wave. Before that I was always hesitant and instead collected Marvel Universe. But 2019 is where most of my collection came from, so I agree with your assesment. Now im at 300+ MARVEL LEGENDS and I feel like they've given me everything I've wanted. I have most of my teams built satisfactory. X-men is my main draw. Avengers, Spiderman, and Hulks has bern done. With the exception of the new Hawkeye and Black Widow, there's really no need to keep collecting the same characters again and again. Now it's really about getting the last c list characters such as Karnak or Star jammers. I think what has needed to be done has been done. Factor in the cost and shenanigans of Hasbro and im done. A proper Jim Lee Sabertooth is about all that I'm looking forward to.
If you listen to the chosen reviewers there has never been a down period with the exception of the dark days. Any descent will get you labeled toxic. Even when Hasbro starts charging more for less paint, and cheaper plastic. And let’s not forget how the chosen few defended plastic free packaging until the general consensus was that it sucked and Hasbro admitted their mistake by saying the plastic is coming back.
That’s how you know and can tell who kept it real or not. By the way, I’m insulted you came on my channel without your Dusty impression bebe hahaha. But I literally read your comment in your Dusty voice. 😂
Some of my favourite waves in recent years are the first Retro xmen wave, the apocalypse wave is probably the best wave to be releases IMO. The foxmen stuff was ace to get and I loved all the 60 years line that came out. This year isn't great, it's the first here I've held off from preorders since 2018 I think 🤔. But the stuff that us good is just overpriced so I'll be waiting for the sales unfortunately and I hope hasbro do something soon to put the value back into this line because I'm currently on 18 years worth of collecting it :(
As a long time ML collector myself, this is the year I probably passed on a lot. Heavy cherry picking. Have yet to get my hands on the Avengers assortment but hoping for the best. The best years where when we were able to update and complete our X-Men blue and gold teams!
I would say when they priced hiked ML to Twenty-two dollars with out advancing there bodies and the repeated using old bodies for new characters and not getting rid of pin’s and not completing teams promptly, as well as QC issue’s with poor painting and dry brushing issues,as well as repeated re-issues’s of the same characters over and over we didn’t need that many Wolverines, Cap’s, Iron Man, Thor’s etc , etc with out progressing the line so I say after 2021
Personally, 2014-2018 was peak legends. Every wave was a banger then. Oddly enough, I think it went a little downhill after TRU closed. That was always where I got all my legends at. Never had any issues finding any of the figures till they closed. That was also a time when marvel legends were decently priced and came with a decent amount of accessories. Nowadays, we’re lucky to get alternate hands with figures. I saw tarantula today, and I wanted him, but put him back because he’s $25 with 0 accessories. I still love legends, but the rising prices, reuses, and little to no accessories has hindered my love of them.
Never had any issues at ToysRUs? Lucky you. Those exclusives was like trying to find a needle in a haystack at my local TRU’s. Everybody hated those exclusives. It was better off when they closed for me because what would be those TRU exclusives became fan channel and it was widely available online. Never had to worry about chasing things I couldn’t find, scalpers, or sellouts.
2018 was the peak when they started giving us comic x-men characters. But they were clever back then but having a limited number of waves each year. Now they realise too many items in a year which reduces the value across all waves even quicker that’s why so many are on clearance
After my brother and I collected all the Toybiz characters we could ever want. I was not impressed with Hasbro's take. They did not have the paint or sculpt detail I was used to. The thing that got me into modern Marvel Legends was a review Shartimus Prime did of the Tiger stripe Wolverine. When I saw how well it scaled with the other figures, it had my interest. When Jubilee was announced, I had confidence Hasbro was going to make all the 1990s X-men. SO I think the Caliban Wave is my favorite year. The fun I get from collecting Hasbro Marvel Legends is team building figures that are all in scale with each other.
My first marvel legends figure was Sue from the fantastic four Walgreens wave and it only grew from there. Being a 'newer' collector, I'd say that the peak was the Sauron baf wave although I am still collecting I'm a little bit selective nowadays.
Y'know, this fluctuation in quality for Marvel Legends has given me the opportunity to invest in other lines. I'm really enjoying Mezco, MAFEX and S.H. Figuarts. I even have my first Hot Toys figure. So there has been some good from this bad.
As a new collector, I think maybe around 2018/2019? Hasbro really started stepping their game up with sculpts and it was still decently affordable! Hulk/Wolverine 2 pack was $60(CAD). Now, even though sculpts have gotten better, it’s common to see 2 packs for over $100(CAD)
I’ll always collect marvel legends im Marvel and DC for life. I won’t get into mezco and mafex just cause I can’t justify spending that much on one fig but as long as these retail figures are relatively affordable they have my business
I just started waiting a couple months for them to sit but I missed a couple that were popular I think from now on the figures I think will sell good I’m just going to order cuz I missed out on the rhino it’s like 60 bucks now and it was 40
Lost faith in the line when they raised the prices for the same old body molds, lack of accessories and the way the Hasbro team treated some UA-camrs when asking about the crazy price hikes. It’s been almost a year since I bought a figure and since 2021 I have not completed a single wave. But I moved on, there are other lines that make your money’s worth, just my humble opinion, Hasbro’s Marvel Legends isn’t that for me anymore and it’s sad because I used to love this line. I almost cry remembering the “old times” like Manny said. Wish you the best if you are still collecting this line and I hope one day i gets that excitement for new releases and waves ✌🏽🙏🏽
The cable at 7.10 had the same gun as the forge in the cover of the x men strike team comic cover , don't know why they didn't give him that gun while they already had the mold
Mannn I personally think 2017 to 2018 as my favorite years for Legends... They're character selection was just my cup of tea. But i agree that 2019-2020 is peak... I was first exposed to this line by Shartimus and you, way back in 2017, i was like 7 or 8 by then.... I didn't collect Legends. But i wanted to, and now i'm a collector in my teens, and got my own money, i started collecting, eventho i really like my current collection , i feel nostalgic to the old days, just watching reviews excessively of new Marvel Legends, and the hype... nowadays it's not really hype, it's more just passes, and some buys, but hey, the memory is still there. And i hope i can experience the hype, this time with a wallet lmao....
Instead of peak years, we should consider peak pricing. When you could get an entire wave plus a BAF for under $100, there is definitely value there. Even if you didn't care for 1 or 2 figures, you still had value because the BAF. Then Hasbro got greedy as well as stupid. Stupid because of the decision to remove the window. Greedy because not only did they go up in price, but they also gave us fewer paint apps, fewer accessories, all on repainted molds. Couple those issues with the fact that they keep giving us the same characters over and over again or just characters that no one really wants. You release X-men teams all in their swaggy blue and yellow. You even give us Forge. The question is....how and why do you give me Forge but not Bishop or Cable? Hasbro just has some really bad people making the final decisions. For the $22-$28 bland, boring, and overly priced Legend figure, I'd much rather take that money and get a highly detailed, original sculpt via Mythic Legions. No nostalgia, but still cool!!
I got into collecting action figures in mid 2020, and I'm 100% pro DC over Marvel if I could only choose one. I not only missed out on some of those first McFarlane figures, but by the time I got into Legends (mid 2021), it obviously seems from the perspective of a longtime collector that I literally got into it right at the start of the decline. I managed to get some older figures loose, but most of my nearly 100 Legends figures are 2020 releases or newer. I'm pretty happy with what I've got. I've managed to get most of the characters I wanted, but watching videos like this, and seeing how horrible Hasblow has been to us really makes me glad that I could more or less get in on the ground floor with a new line of DC figures, the characters I'm far more invested in. I do think McFarlane has been making better figures since day one, but his is an ever improving line. With more modern bodies closer to the nice Japanese imports and Legends seemingly stuck a decade in the past, combined with Hasblow's near evil business decisions, it wasn't hard for McFarlane to easily surpass them as the best manufacturer of superhero action figures. Much better sculpt and textures, larger scale for easier handling, more solid construction (less gummy), now with more accessories and alternate parts, less reuse, keeping prices down (barring some Collector Editions, literally six figures), less figures required for BAF, and a very quickly expanding character roster have made me overwhelmingly happy I got into action figures at just the right time.
I suppose no matter when you enter a hobby, you will always be "1 year too late". For a lot of people, some of these new figures are their first one of that character. I have a list of figures I'm waiting for in Legends, but when I look at what's coming out soon, I'm infinitely more excited about McFarlane DC than Legends. They've really fallen hard! Hasblow really is pricing their customers out, and to higher quality toys. Why not just pay the difference and get a far superior S.H. Figuarts for better articulation, build quality, and extra goods?
I mean the mcu stuff we’re getting is pretty good but the new movies don’t have the same hype. Plus we have x-men 87 and avengers comic line giving us access to so many key characters. Spiderverse depends on how much u like the film but it’s a good line
I said why I thought 2019-2020 are peak on your post. But I kinda chuckled when you say d reminisce about the good old days since I’m fairly sure for me the good old days were a time you probably weren’t even alive lol. It’s funny because when “return of marvel legends” came about I was in the middle of what I call the “dark times” (bad divorce, laid off work twice etc.) and I really did not focus on ML until 2020. My history with ML really centers around the Toy Biz years mostly. But talker art said something I kinda took to heart “I’m not a Hasbro fan, I’m a Marvel fan.” That’s something I think is more true about ML collectors than we think.
It’s clear I was talking about the good old days for Hasbro Legends and not anything outside of that. Lol. I was born in 87. But out of curiosity, what were the good old days to you?
Honestly, I can forgive certain things with the line, but what really kiils my enthusiasm for it is the prices. It's just so frustrating. Us collectors aren't made of money hasbro! This is why I've really been loving Mcfarlane's stuff. For the most part, their prices have been very reasonable and fair imo. Hasbro's desisions as of late really hurt me, because Marvel Legends is my favortie line to collect too, and seeing in it's current state is just sad.
I say 2019 because that is where we have seen new molds, like the 80th anniversary hulk (sdcc, fan channel, and two pack) and the Super articulation retro Spider-Man. Tons of good stuff
This video really takes me back man. 2016-2020 was such a special time for this line and weirdly enough, I can associate special times in my life with these releases throughout the years. Not always perfect but they were willing to give us updated characters we needed from the Toybiz era along with new characters in the line. Sadly I think the pandemic and licensing created excuses to charge as much as they could for as little effort as they can do. And seeing other companies deliver more in the past couple years hasn’t helped Hasbro either.
In summary everything went to sht, with the price hikes. Well, at least most of us own all the dope stuff from the past. For me, nothing is better than the Walgreens Best Thing ever.
Yup. 2019-‘20 was peak. I think Galactus pretty much ended it for me as a rabid ML collector. I’ve only bought The Blob and Spiral Legends this year but a ton of GI Joes.
It's sad for me bro. I've been collecting since 2015, and its a long leap off a cliff from where it is now. I'd say from 2018-2021. I enjoyed them for a long time. The most recent mindless baf wave, is like huh? Not BAF worthy to me. As many of their most recent BAF waves. The only 2 BAFs I showed some interest in was Puff Adder and Controller thats it! And coming from someone who collected everything that came out.
Just give me the value. It’s not there for $24.99. When it comes to accessories, we barley get the bare minimum. I just want to see that the value has something to show for.
I used to be a big ML guy but NECA has been KILLING it with their mirage line. That new turtles four pack and Zog are far better than and ML I’ve owned
😂this one is fun, to me when it peaked when everyone and their mama started to realize the bucky cap mold fiasco. After that nothing but re-release with a sprinkle of new.
price increase + lack of accessories. that deluxe War Machine was really good compare that to the PS5 Spiderman they just put out is why people got tired of Hasbro.
2017 - 2020 was a great run for marvel legends we got a lot of xmen in that run with xmen movie figures in 2020. Great single deluxes like punisher, war machine, ghost rider cosmic. Price hike turned off a lot of collectors
The popular characters have been made at this point. Wishlist are much shorter nowadays so Hasbro has now resorted to super deepcut characters and newer modern characters and modern costumes for characters we have less attachment to. MCU characters are also being put in costumes no one asked for just to sell another figure. Hasbro has now resorted to forcing less desirable reissued figures into multipacks with a figure you want. 2022 and 2023 have too many examples of this. All of this is on top of the price hikes and inconsistent pricing as well as less accessories and paint. At this point, Hasbro's best offering and value is G.I. Joe Classified. Enjoy Joe's while it lasts because sooner or later, that to will also have the same fate as Marvel Legends.
¡Buen tema y vídeo, carnal! For me the line picked 2018-2020. I prefer comic book figures, but I think MCU figures are great, the sculpting and painting are amazing, sadly the new movies and series they are based on are trash, son una mierda. It seems all the budget goes to the MCU and the comic figures line gets the left overs.
Great review! When i saw your post what was the best year for MVL i was hoping you do a video about it as i also see a decline with the line. Hopefully this will change and they start to incline.😎👊
It just makes me so sad. Marvel is my favorite brand, and it kills me because Hasbro has come such a long way. With the digital face printing, the sculpting and head sculpts, pinless limbs. It kills me that Legends aren't as good as they could be and the line isn't as exciting as it should be.
Honestly I think the caca will not stop until us collectors will boycot Hasbro for a while and them getting their numbers down… I personaly don’t want to stop collecting but I might have to….
It definitely peaked 2019-2020. the first few months of 2021 were ok, but then the price hikes and windowless package crap happened. It’s definitely been all downhill since then
Actually in a sort of perverse way< i'm enjoying the current (2023) era of ML the most.
The price increases in 2022 and the windowless packaging/lowered QC made me dial it way down in terms of ML collecting, and it's been very refreshing. When you're a collector for a given line, you have this mindset that locks you into trying to buy as many of the figures as possible, hence "collecting". But once you're out of it, you are free to pick and choose like an outsider.
ML right now has some of the best figures in its history. The new Black Widow on that highly articulated body is a good example. It's like a gold nugget in a sea of shit, so you just pluck it out and be happy.
This is an interesting paradigm. I like this perspective you shared.
This is what I've been doing the entire time I've been buying. I'm only interested in certain Avengers and X-Men. I've never understood the completist mindset.
@collegerebel there are just some people that genuinely enjoy and love everything and there’s nothing wrong with that. Just like there’s nothing wrong with cherry pickers in only getting the few in what they love.
Seriously, I just picked up that new Black Widow and it’s fucking awesome! Definitely a favorite. So was Spiral and The Mojo 3 pack (since I got it on a warehouse sale). I’m kinda onto MAFEX. Manny, is PlazaJapan legit? I pre-ordered the MAFEX Phoenix at BBTS, but PlazaJapan has it for like $70
Literally right after we lost toys r us it all went to hell
Nah corporate greed ruined it marvel legends sales in those years were so dominant that corporate said hey let's jump prices and cut back on quality cause people still continue to support the line
I don’t think so. Then TRU exclusives drove everyone nuts
Great analysis of the latest years of Marvel Legends. The price value increase , the less deco details , less paints and simplistic molds sometimes, the not so good created windowless packaging and the mcu focus lines did a lot of bad input to the line. I may undeterstqnd that some people want to see what they get on tv or in the movies but comics characters first , back to basis and more fun and somehow they seem to have lost it and as a collector also I seem to have less fun doing so. I collect less and less marvel legends focusing on other lines like G.I.Joe ‘s , MOTU masterverse or even DC Mc Farlane stuff. All seem to have something that is not working the way it used to. The increase of price value of the toys is a great example, you won’t buy so easily a 30 $figure as you used to with a 19 $ figure . You could buy a set for lower price but now box sets at 70 or 80 $ are far too expensive for what we get with that. And we get less details paint in the characters it’s disappointing ( I won t even mention SW Black Series where they have quite zero options with their figures) … it can seem negative but let’s just hope it stands something positive out of this where they will react and provide something new more attractive to the fans we are not just cash machines buying it all with closed eyes we want fun too and lately it seems most of us don’t have that much fun anymore
There’s a toy r us near me still
I have such a great love and nostalgia for 2015-2019
That’s when I had the most love for Legends. It’s faded away over the years due to decisions made by Hasbro.
Yes but never forget that fun feeling it gave you. Can’t take that fun away that you had at that time no matter the crap they’re putting out now.
It was fun hunting for figures back in those days. When you find something like Mysterio, Beast, or Cyclops and Jean 2 pack it feels like treasure in your hand. Now with the quality going down, price going up, and windowless package all the excitement is gone. Bought very few this year and have moved on to GI Joe Classified line.
GI Joe is my shit
I think 2019 was the peak. For me, things started going downhill after the pandemic hit. The last wave I remember being truly impressed with was the Super Skrull wave that came out in December 2019/January 2020. I think character selection has been stronger in 2023 than 2020, 2021, or 2022, but value has tanked with less paint, less accessories, and figures going on clearance left and right. I also don’t think you can understate the positive impact an ascending MCU had on the line or the negative impact a descending MCU has had on the line.
Holy 💩! I was thinking exactly the same thing!!! I remember the quality of She-Hulk & Doctor Doom and being blown away. Then (if i remember correctly) we started getting 💩 like Black Tom & I was like "dafuq?!"
@@leyenda6149 I swear I’m not making this up, but Black Tom was my “What happened to this line?!?” moment as well. He was near the top of my most wanted villains list because he was always paired withJuggernaut in the early years of the Claremont/Cockrum/Byrne run, but I remember getting him and thinking “This has got to be the most boring ML figure I’ve ever seen.” Granted, he’s not the most visually stunning character to begin with, but the figure had absolutely no personality. The magic was definitely gone. She-Hulk and Doom, though? Man. Two of the best MLs ever made in my book!
This was a great topic, especially for those of us who are long-term collectors of the line. The peak has to be 2019, it'ssomethingi think about often.
Such a stellar year with great character selections and accessories. You got a lot of bang for your buck at that time. Even more bang for your Bucky cap lol
Legends were fun because they produced the most character variation and the price points were reasonable when they ranged between 14.99-19.99. Once they breached the $21.99 the value was no longer there. Im glad my kids were young and got to play with these figs during the peak of the line. I didnt buy 1 ML between 2020-2022 and just bought my first legends last week on clearance for $9.99. Will only purchase ML on sale or clearance prices. I rather purchase an import fig nowadays. Good video. 👍
Thanks man! Spend your money on whatever makes you happy. 2020 was the most fun I had collecting the line.
Firing Bobby Vala was a catastrophe for this line, and this video is the proof. So many of the things you loved he had a hand in. And you didn't even mention the 12 inch line he designed.
Yeah that 2019 lineup was pretty much all him. Lol
Amen to that, that was a huge mistake. Most of my ML are in storage now except for the 12 inch that Bobby Vala worked on.
Why did he get fired?
I had the 12 inch iron man marvel legends didn't know he created them. Love the figure.
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Wait, Bobby Vala was with Hasbro up until 2019? I thought he was fired around 2015? I had no clue. So Ryan, Dan and Dwight are more recent than I thought.
Nice video dude!!! A nice trip down memory lane. Thanks.
Thank you! Happy to hear you were entertained!
Great work on this one Xmanny. As a Marvel comic book character action figure collector, the demise of the ML brand has been a pretty dreadful experience. Yet, that cannot compare to the experience you influencers have experienced. Trying to be objective must be getting more difficult to achieve.
It always is bro. No matter what. If I praise something or bash it, it’s damn if I do, damn if I don’t. Lol
@@Xmanny87 loved your 3POA show.
@@Xmanny87 I don't mind the Xmanny bashing. It is done right. It isn't filled with hater-gade, instead it is well thought out stuff.
This video was very much needed. It needs to be shared.
Feel free and share it around. Thank you.
In my opinion, 2019 was the peak. We had the 80th figures along with the caliban and wendigo waves.
the fact that they thought that people wanted a Morbius reissue before an Agent Venom reissue says everything about the issues with ML, the line is going to tank sooner or later.
Next year Wolverines Galore , need that retro first appearance cable, and any cable big enough to go with new stryfe
Manny good video my dude and awesome to see you on the 3POA. My favorite years are the 2018-2020. The figures were awesome you'd get accessories and the price at the time you didn't feel robbed. We're over half way through the year and doing a top 10 Marvel Legends list seems impossible... I've been investing more into Classified and Valaverse at this point and catching legends on clearance, hell I've been able to get the last couple of waves complete at $12.50 a figure.
Glad you enjoyed the show. I feel you dude. I don’t even have 10 figures to fill that top 10 slot out of all the ones I bought this year.
2017 Was The Year Of Marvel Legends I Remember Buying GOTG Vol. 2 Star-Lord Drax Homemade Suit Spider-Man Netflix Daredevil Punisher Jessica Jones Comic Bullseye Black Panther Okoye Wave + You Forgot About Black Widow Wave X-Men Age Of Apocalypse And X-Men 20th Anniversary Movie Figures
Oh yeah. AOA was one of my favorites just because of how much it means to me. It’s something I thought would never be a wave.
I think what made those 2019-2020 the best was completing the Jim Lee X-Men lineups. Growing up in Peru I never even had the chance to own the ToyBiz ones. So getting those was top core satisfaction. I doubt I’ll get again
Bruh I feel like after inflation the Hasbro team hasn’t been confident in their product and what they’d like to offer us. Which is not entirely their fault.
I 100% agree with you and I can read that off their body language.
I found 5 full waves at ollie's today so I seriously doubt I'll ever pay full price again
Lol hope you got some good deals for the figures you wanted
I saw the eternals, age of apocalypse, black Panther legacy, some of love and thunder, armadillo, Rintrah, and some deluxe today. It’s shocking how many of these legends don’t sell and get sent to discount stores. I got them when they were still new, but it’s nice to see them discounted. Especially if they’re army builders or good figures for customs.
This video was great, a topic I’d love to see you do is a sort of “I run the show, this is what I’d do” video where you come up with all the waves for a year of legends, I think that could be pretty fun
The best era imo was 80th Ann campaign through the 20th ML Ann mixed with Spider-Man Ann in 2022 minus the price gouging. A lot of nice retro carded figures from 2019 to 2022. I’m diggin some of the Avengers Ann stuff but I do lack the excitement like back in the day when the Toyfare mag came out. The best year I’d say is 2022
I always remember getting so hyped when Magik was in the book of vishanti sdcc box set because she was the first mutant in a loooooooong time. Good times. Love me some legends
The culmination of hascrap was when the Nick Fury ,with the three heads came out. You got a army builder for 18.99$ . After that the mcu started. And complaints. ❤
Next year Wolverines Galore , need that retro first appearance cable, and any cable big enough to go with new stryfe
Especially with the Wolverine PS5 video game coming out next year if it’s not delayed, I’m sure we’ll get comic figures to revolve around that game.
@@Xmanny87 thx for the reply, I did 2 vid, if you got time “wolverine big hair swap” and “wolverine comic cover to life”
I wouldn’t say that Legends have peaked. More like it was a slow incline from 2012-2017/18, and then 2019 the line really blew up with a strong focus on the 90’s and it’s been going steady since.
We’re getting some awesome figures this year and I can’t wait to see what they reveal at SDCC.
IMO it was the year that the super skrull baf came out. I absolutely understand the need to avoid making no brainer figures so they don't blow their load leaving them with no great figures to make in the future but I feel ML has overplayed their hand & also cut way too many corners to cost save. Hasbro still gets my money occasionally but far less of it. My guess is that many of us are cherry picking more & more exclusively
LOL! Yeah there seems to be more cherry pickers now more than ever. Nothing wrong with only getting what you want.
Im so glad i got into collecting right into the legends peak, i mean all of the 90s x men figures are worth a left leg today its crazy
2019/2020 is the best IMO. 80th anniversary line: one of the best like still not the best versions of spectacular/classic characters IMO definetly best part of 2019. X-men 20th anniversary, finally after so many years fox movie x-men and really cool rerelases, first appearance of retro spider-man wave, BIG Haslab Sentinel, some deluxe figures, war machine, punisher on motorcycle, Monster Venom, really cool mcu 2packs, movie venom and first appearance of one of the best ML bodymolds of all time, Venompool. Absolute carnage still the best one by hasbro, retro x-men first time, Best dr doom still, and super skrull.
But I was really tempted to choose 21/22 cause continuation of retro spider-man line and maaaan what good figures we had: Lizard, sandman, rhino, symbiote spidey, animated series Venom, shocker, hammerhead etc. But mainly: Spider-man 60th anniversary line. Man that was one of dream come true, after almost perfect retro spidey we finally got BEST Spider-man of all time the RyV one with really cool spinneret, amazing fantasy, Animated series spidey, japanese, silk and ock, iron spider, knull and best venom of all time . Second best venom from 3pack XD, Mojo what a cool deluxe, VHS x-men and best tiger stripe wolverine of all time AGAIN XD. Marvel legends 20th anniversary such a cool line, hulk cool upgrade, perfect captain america except shield but f it. Iron man which was fine and after 20 years Finally Toad ! Beast with labcoat. cool single releases jigsaw, baron zemo, Modular Iron man turned into capcom/cartoon I love it, The best daredevil by far in this scale, GORR I was really hyped (still have to get him tho XD)
2022 is like second best ML year IMO. but Hobgoblin disappointment I still can't forgive them about this one. Man I was so pissed. and 2021 which wasn't that bad that was wave of villains: Thanos, MODOK, Ultron, Lady Deathstrike,. A wolverine 5pack. Finally battle damaged wolverine, cool omega red upgrade, cyber etc.., IRON MAN Wave modular, iron heart, stealth, cool baf goddamn ursa major and infinity saga wave was really fine I liked it. Surtur, Quicksilver, Final battle thanos and iron man, iron monger, such a good iron man mark 3 finally, warrior endgame thor.
So I can say last 4 years were so good, and I wouldn't put a cross on 2023, still it Didn't end and we did get so cool figures:
animated ock with finally freakin bendy wired tentacles, now green goblin which looks really dope for me, BLOB, Ronan, Extremis Iron man , Ultimate cap technically even better one than previous, 3 Movie spider-men and there is still no way home wave waiting for us, Avengers anniversary line is SIC. Iron man model 1, PERFECT Black widow and hawkeye, Ant man, destroyer, first appearance hulk and banner, still really liked New Gamerverse Peter Parker that's what I expected and I got it only pissed cause no full sets of hands. Joe Fixit, Really like they rerelased gladiator hulk, now newly announced deadpool and bob. I think this year has more to offer and there are still cool things waiting for us.
okay that's enough I said what I wanted XD
The X-Men retro wave is 2023 and is amazing. We also got training suit X-Men. Hard to say it's a crappy year. I think the cost has just soured people. But if Hasbro starts re-releasing classic characters we love with new pinless tech and face printing I think most would be back in. Kind of like how everyone wants that new Daredevil from the 3 pack and the new Hawkeye.
Ehh, that late 2022 3-Pack Daredevil was a serious let down. Short in scale, too scrawny, cheaped out on the paint job and made him pretty much all the same red, the D’s didn’t stand out enough and not enough hands. In fact, hoping for a better updated one in the near future.
I started collecting again in 2021 I missed out on the good day's, cool video Manny
Personally I prefer the mcu stuff, if helps me not need to buy everything, I get movie figures, figures from the animated x men and Spider-Man series, that’s it 🤷🏾♂️
I just got a walgreens war machine for a kitbash project and man that thing comes with waaaaay more accessories than the current figures
Me too!
For me peak is age of apocalypse. My favourite marvel storyline ever
I love those waves and I’m mad at myself for forgetting to bring that up in this video.
@@Xmanny87i still low key hoped for a few more
Me too
Well… For me as a MCU Collector, i think the line has getting better.
Oh if you are an MCU figure collector, for sure it’s going to be better because of so much content being put out so more figures. They always get the brand new, amazing sculpts most of the time. I’m happy for MCU collectors but us comic collectors don’t get all those newly tooled sculpts so we always feel pushed aside and ripped off.
@@Xmanny87 yeah, you’re right! The comics figures doesn’t have the same atencion from hasbro.
I still love pizza-spidey for a young twenty something version. The quality of the juggernaut baf wave is what caught my attention and got me started collecting. ML’s peak POINT for me was 2018 with the Apocalypse wave. The peak era I’d expand to 2017-2020. The first decline I noticed was Warpaths head. He looks 105 yo. Head too big, too high. Slowly there were more and more. Green Rogue with fart expressions. AOA cyclops. Sue Storm. That’s the era we’re in now. Crappy heads.
2018 is when I jumped into the line due to the Apocalypse baf wave. Before that I was always hesitant and instead collected Marvel Universe.
But 2019 is where most of my collection came from, so I agree with your assesment. Now im at 300+ MARVEL LEGENDS and I feel like they've given me everything I've wanted. I have most of my teams built satisfactory. X-men is my main draw. Avengers, Spiderman, and Hulks has bern done.
With the exception of the new Hawkeye and Black Widow, there's really no need to keep collecting the same characters again and again. Now it's really about getting the last c list characters such as Karnak or Star jammers. I think what has needed to be done has been done. Factor in the cost and shenanigans of Hasbro and im done.
A proper Jim Lee Sabertooth is about all that I'm looking forward to.
All I remember back then was always begging to get a complete Jim Lee xmen shelf
Lol same here man
If you listen to the chosen reviewers there has never been a down period with the exception of the dark days.
Any descent will get you labeled toxic. Even when Hasbro starts charging more for less paint, and cheaper plastic. And let’s not forget how the chosen few defended plastic free packaging until the general consensus was that it sucked and Hasbro admitted their mistake by saying the plastic is coming back.
That’s how you know and can tell who kept it real or not. By the way, I’m insulted you came on my channel without your Dusty impression bebe hahaha. But I literally read your comment in your Dusty voice. 😂
2021 gave us The Hood 🤘🏼
LOL! I know that’s your shit. Always entertained by your pics of him.
Some of my favourite waves in recent years are the first Retro xmen wave, the apocalypse wave is probably the best wave to be releases IMO. The foxmen stuff was ace to get and I loved all the 60 years line that came out. This year isn't great, it's the first here I've held off from preorders since 2018 I think 🤔. But the stuff that us good is just overpriced so I'll be waiting for the sales unfortunately and I hope hasbro do something soon to put the value back into this line because I'm currently on 18 years worth of collecting it :(
Apocalypse wave was only wave I bought completely and I love it till this day. Great times for collecting
U.S agent needs a updated buck asap i was disappointed with that 2022 release
Yeah if you saw my review then you know I was let down by it too
As a long time ML collector myself, this is the year I probably passed on a lot. Heavy cherry picking. Have yet to get my hands on the Avengers assortment but hoping for the best. The best years where when we were able to update and complete our X-Men blue and gold teams!
I would say when they priced hiked ML to Twenty-two dollars with out advancing there bodies and the repeated using old bodies for new characters and not getting rid of pin’s and not completing teams promptly, as well as QC issue’s with poor painting and dry brushing issues,as well as repeated re-issues’s of the same characters over and over we didn’t need that many Wolverines, Cap’s, Iron Man, Thor’s etc , etc with out progressing the line so I say after 2021
I didn’t fuss about 2 dollars but when it went to $5 extra with not even the bare minimum is when I had enough of their BS.
Personally, 2014-2018 was peak legends. Every wave was a banger then. Oddly enough, I think it went a little downhill after TRU closed. That was always where I got all my legends at. Never had any issues finding any of the figures till they closed. That was also a time when marvel legends were decently priced and came with a decent amount of accessories. Nowadays, we’re lucky to get alternate hands with figures. I saw tarantula today, and I wanted him, but put him back because he’s $25 with 0 accessories. I still love legends, but the rising prices, reuses, and little to no accessories has hindered my love of them.
Never had any issues at ToysRUs? Lucky you. Those exclusives was like trying to find a needle in a haystack at my local TRU’s. Everybody hated those exclusives. It was better off when they closed for me because what would be those TRU exclusives became fan channel and it was widely available online. Never had to worry about chasing things I couldn’t find, scalpers, or sellouts.
2018 was the peak when they started giving us comic x-men characters.
But they were clever back then but having a limited number of waves each year.
Now they realise too many items in a year which reduces the value across all waves even quicker that’s why so many are on clearance
After my brother and I collected all the Toybiz characters we could ever want. I was not impressed with Hasbro's take. They did not have the paint or sculpt detail I was used to.
The thing that got me into modern Marvel Legends was a review Shartimus Prime did of the Tiger stripe Wolverine. When I saw how well it scaled with the other figures, it had my interest.
When Jubilee was announced, I had confidence Hasbro was going to make all the 1990s X-men. SO I think the Caliban Wave is my favorite year. The fun I get from collecting Hasbro Marvel Legends is team building figures that are all in scale with each other.
It was the baf juggernaut wave🔥
My first marvel legends figure was Sue from the fantastic four Walgreens wave and it only grew from there. Being a 'newer' collector, I'd say that the peak was the Sauron baf wave although I am still collecting I'm a little bit selective nowadays.
Besides solid build-a-waves and cost. I think we're still getting solid releases
The best way’s they can save the line next year is, way more integrated pinless tech, more characters that haven’t been done, and finishing teams.
Y'know, this fluctuation in quality for Marvel Legends has given me the opportunity to invest in other lines. I'm really enjoying Mezco, MAFEX and S.H. Figuarts. I even have my first Hot Toys figure. So there has been some good from this bad.
It’s always fun to explore elsewhere and keep that excitement of the hobby enticing.
@@Xmanny87 That's true. Variety is always a good thing.
Marvel legends has never been bad. It is and continues to be the greatest toyline ever made
I think toe articulation should be more common in the line and probably more accessories
All I need is cyclops to complete the warlock wave
2019-2020 was the best for me.
You're a Yankees fan!!! Me too. Its been a very rough year.
Tell me about it. The last two games with walk off losses was just a crushing blow. Lol.
As a new collector, I think maybe around 2018/2019? Hasbro really started stepping their game up with sculpts and it was still decently affordable! Hulk/Wolverine 2 pack was $60(CAD). Now, even though sculpts have gotten better, it’s common to see 2 packs for over $100(CAD)
I’ll always collect marvel legends im Marvel and DC for life. I won’t get into mezco and mafex just cause I can’t justify spending that much on one fig but as long as these retail figures are relatively affordable they have my business
I just started waiting a couple months for them to sit but I missed a couple that were popular I think from now on the figures I think will sell good I’m just going to order cuz I missed out on the rhino it’s like 60 bucks now and it was 40
Lost faith in the line when they raised the prices for the same old body molds, lack of accessories and the way the Hasbro team treated some UA-camrs when asking about the crazy price hikes. It’s been almost a year since I bought a figure and since 2021 I have not completed a single wave. But I moved on, there are other lines that make your money’s worth, just my humble opinion, Hasbro’s Marvel Legends isn’t that for me anymore and it’s sad because I used to love this line. I almost cry remembering the “old times” like Manny said.
Wish you the best if you are still collecting this line and I hope one day i gets that excitement for new releases and waves ✌🏽🙏🏽
Thanks for sharing man. So what line are you collecting now that keeps you excited in the hobby?
Hot Toys, a bit more expensive but I love it!
LOL! That’s a whole other world. The few I have are mind blowing. But yeah, price wise I have to be very selective.
The cable at 7.10 had the same gun as the forge in the cover of the x men strike team comic cover , don't know why they didn't give him that gun while they already had the mold
Great video Manny looks like Norman Osborn himself has taken over marvel legends since the corporate greed has consumed them 😏
🤣🤣🤣 big facts man and thank you
Mannn
I personally think 2017 to 2018 as my favorite years for Legends...
They're character selection was just my cup of tea.
But i agree that 2019-2020 is peak...
I was first exposed to this line by Shartimus and you, way back in 2017, i was like 7 or 8 by then....
I didn't collect Legends. But i wanted to, and now i'm a collector in my teens, and got my own money, i started collecting, eventho i really like my current collection , i feel nostalgic to the old days, just watching reviews excessively of new Marvel Legends, and the hype... nowadays it's not really hype, it's more just passes, and some buys, but hey, the memory is still there. And i hope i can experience the hype, this time with a wallet lmao....
Its sucks but when you see a company like Jada there is hope. The license must end someday.
Jada Toys SF line won rookie line of the year for me. I’ll have some praise for them in my next video.
new to the channel. i really enjoyed this video. would you make any videos covering the years that came before?
Instead of peak years, we should consider peak pricing. When you could get an entire wave plus a BAF for under $100, there is definitely value there. Even if you didn't care for 1 or 2 figures, you still had value because the BAF.
Then Hasbro got greedy as well as stupid. Stupid because of the decision to remove the window. Greedy because not only did they go up in price, but they also gave us fewer paint apps, fewer accessories, all on repainted molds.
Couple those issues with the fact that they keep giving us the same characters over and over again or just characters that no one really wants.
You release X-men teams all in their swaggy blue and yellow. You even give us Forge. The question is....how and why do you give me Forge but not Bishop or Cable?
Hasbro just has some really bad people making the final decisions. For the $22-$28 bland, boring, and overly priced Legend figure, I'd much rather take that money and get a highly detailed, original sculpt via Mythic Legions. No nostalgia, but still cool!!
One thing that baffles me is how can GI Joe be kicking so much ass when marvel from the same company is struggling?
2020 was peak for ML
I miss the hype for ML
I got into collecting action figures in mid 2020, and I'm 100% pro DC over Marvel if I could only choose one. I not only missed out on some of those first McFarlane figures, but by the time I got into Legends (mid 2021), it obviously seems from the perspective of a longtime collector that I literally got into it right at the start of the decline. I managed to get some older figures loose, but most of my nearly 100 Legends figures are 2020 releases or newer. I'm pretty happy with what I've got. I've managed to get most of the characters I wanted, but watching videos like this, and seeing how horrible Hasblow has been to us really makes me glad that I could more or less get in on the ground floor with a new line of DC figures, the characters I'm far more invested in. I do think McFarlane has been making better figures since day one, but his is an ever improving line. With more modern bodies closer to the nice Japanese imports and Legends seemingly stuck a decade in the past, combined with Hasblow's near evil business decisions, it wasn't hard for McFarlane to easily surpass them as the best manufacturer of superhero action figures. Much better sculpt and textures, larger scale for easier handling, more solid construction (less gummy), now with more accessories and alternate parts, less reuse, keeping prices down (barring some Collector Editions, literally six figures), less figures required for BAF, and a very quickly expanding character roster have made me overwhelmingly happy I got into action figures at just the right time.
I suppose no matter when you enter a hobby, you will always be "1 year too late". For a lot of people, some of these new figures are their first one of that character. I have a list of figures I'm waiting for in Legends, but when I look at what's coming out soon, I'm infinitely more excited about McFarlane DC than Legends. They've really fallen hard! Hasblow really is pricing their customers out, and to higher quality toys. Why not just pay the difference and get a far superior S.H. Figuarts for better articulation, build quality, and extra goods?
The period right before, during and immediately after the first crowd funded project.
I mean the mcu stuff we’re getting is pretty good but the new movies don’t have the same hype. Plus we have x-men 87 and avengers comic line giving us access to so many key characters. Spiderverse depends on how much u like the film but it’s a good line
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Thanks
definitely peaked anywhere from 2017-2019, that BAF Man-thing wave might just be my favorite wave of all time...
I said why I thought 2019-2020 are peak on your post. But I kinda chuckled when you say d reminisce about the good old days since I’m fairly sure for me the good old days were a time you probably weren’t even alive lol.
It’s funny because when “return of marvel legends” came about I was in the middle of what I call the “dark times” (bad divorce, laid off work twice etc.) and I really did not focus on ML until 2020. My history with ML really centers around the Toy Biz years mostly.
But talker art said something I kinda took to heart “I’m not a Hasbro fan, I’m a Marvel fan.” That’s something I think is more true about ML collectors than we think.
It’s clear I was talking about the good old days for Hasbro Legends and not anything outside of that. Lol. I was born in 87. But out of curiosity, what were the good old days to you?
@@Xmanny87 Oh and wan't trying to be coy, I was born in 1971 just so you know.
I know you weren’t. You are good. My brother was born in the 70’s so he always reminds me about his good old days lol
@@Xmanny87 Haha. Yeah sometimes the good old days aren’t as good as is old guys portray though. Sometimes though it’s pretty accurate.
Honestly, I can forgive certain things with the line, but what really kiils my enthusiasm for it is the prices. It's just so frustrating. Us collectors aren't made of money hasbro! This is why I've really been loving Mcfarlane's stuff. For the most part, their prices have been very reasonable and fair imo. Hasbro's desisions as of late really hurt me, because Marvel Legends is my favortie line to collect too, and seeing in it's current state is just sad.
I say 2019 because that is where we have seen new molds, like the 80th anniversary hulk (sdcc, fan channel, and two pack) and the Super articulation retro Spider-Man. Tons of good stuff
This video really takes me back man. 2016-2020 was such a special time for this line and weirdly enough, I can associate special times in my life with these releases throughout the years. Not always perfect but they were willing to give us updated characters we needed from the Toybiz era along with new characters in the line. Sadly I think the pandemic and licensing created excuses to charge as much as they could for as little effort as they can do. And seeing other companies deliver more in the past couple years hasn’t helped Hasbro either.
In summary everything went to sht, with the price hikes. Well, at least most of us own all the dope stuff from the past. For me, nothing is better than the Walgreens Best Thing ever.
Yup. 2019-‘20 was peak. I think Galactus pretty much ended it for me as a rabid ML collector. I’ve only bought The Blob and Spiral Legends this year but a ton of GI Joes.
It's sad for me bro. I've been collecting since 2015, and its a long leap off a cliff from where it is now. I'd say from 2018-2021. I enjoyed them for a long time. The most recent mindless baf wave, is like huh? Not BAF worthy to me. As many of their most recent BAF waves. The only 2 BAFs I showed some interest in was Puff Adder and Controller thats it! And coming from someone who collected everything that came out.
Every Collector has a love/hate for ha$bro, unfortunately it’s getting worse and worse
Ha$bro needs to go back to great characters and LOWER prices
Just give me the value. It’s not there for $24.99. When it comes to accessories, we barley get the bare minimum. I just want to see that the value has something to show for.
I used to be a big ML guy but NECA has been KILLING it with their mirage line. That new turtles four pack and Zog are far better than and ML I’ve owned
They make the best TMNT figures.
It's been years now. Aside from the occasional banger, most of their efforts leaves something to be desired.
You know how good hasbro marvel legends could be if Disney wasn’t pulling the strings. Walt would be ashamed.
😂this one is fun, to me when it peaked when everyone and their mama started to realize the bucky cap mold fiasco. After that nothing but re-release with a sprinkle of new.
price increase + lack of accessories. that deluxe War Machine was really good compare that to the PS5 Spiderman they just put out is why people got tired of Hasbro.
2017 - 2020 was a great run for marvel legends we got a lot of xmen in that run with xmen movie figures in 2020. Great single deluxes like punisher, war machine, ghost rider cosmic. Price hike turned off a lot of collectors
Great topic
The popular characters have been made at this point. Wishlist are much shorter nowadays so Hasbro has now resorted to super deepcut characters and newer modern characters and modern costumes for characters we have less attachment to. MCU characters are also being put in costumes no one asked for just to sell another figure. Hasbro has now resorted to forcing less desirable reissued figures into multipacks with a figure you want. 2022 and 2023 have too many examples of this. All of this is on top of the price hikes and inconsistent pricing as well as less accessories and paint. At this point, Hasbro's best offering and value is G.I. Joe Classified. Enjoy Joe's while it lasts because sooner or later, that to will also have the same fate as Marvel Legends.
Toy biz has some good figures... wolverine, psylocke, etc. Hasbro needs to go back the roots .
I think the big price increases have hurt it. I rarely buy any more. i buy mcfarlane dc more and iM a far bigger marvel fan.
¡Buen tema y vídeo, carnal! For me the line picked 2018-2020. I prefer comic book figures, but I think MCU figures are great, the sculpting and painting are amazing, sadly the new movies and series they are based on are trash, son una mierda. It seems all the budget goes to the MCU and the comic figures line gets the left overs.
Really shocked, 2015 had epic waves of ML! Juggy, onslaught, whole bunch of xmen and spidey waves. I mean cmon, it was amazing.
2019🙌🏼
A stellar year bro
Great review! When i saw your post what was the best year for MVL i was hoping you do a video about it as i also see a decline with the line. Hopefully this will change and they start to incline.😎👊
Good discussion man!
The x-men where peak for me with the jubilee wolverine,the cyclop jean grey 3 pack and the hulks and juggernauts.
It just makes me so sad.
Marvel is my favorite brand, and it kills me because Hasbro has come such a long way. With the digital face printing, the sculpting and head sculpts, pinless limbs. It kills me that Legends aren't as good as they could be and the line isn't as exciting as it should be.
Honestly I think the caca will not stop until us collectors will boycot Hasbro for a while and them getting their numbers down… I personaly don’t want to stop collecting but I might have to….
It definitely peaked 2019-2020. the first few months of 2021 were ok, but then the price hikes and windowless package crap happened. It’s definitely been all downhill since then
If Hasbro wants to keep prices as they are then they should update all the bucks because the competition like Jada Toys is showing what can be done.
8:06 the 2nd on the top left next to star lord, who is that
2016 to 2019 80ths
Manny, is PlazaJapan legit? I pre-ordered the MAFEX Phoenix at BBTS, but PlazaJapan has it for like $70
I’ve honestly never heard of them. I order all my imports from amiami.com