What's amazing about the Orville overall is that Seth pulled a complete bait and switch with the network. He sold them on "Family Guy in Space" and sure, the first couple episodes really lean into that kind of humor. But VERY quickly it becomes a much more thoughtful, clever, and sincere show. One that is less a parody of Star Trek, and instead a loving homage to what made that series so adored. Absolutely worth a full watch.
@@mossyabyss Or maybe it's just the pull of the genre itself. When writing about the future, you have to consider the world people left behind and the one you think we're working towards. If you care about the work, it's hard not to put thought into it.
You gotta love that THIS is what turned the Kaylon around. They're not evil, just terribly afraid - in their own way - of being enslaved and tortured again. It WOULD take a great gesture to convince them otherwise... saving their entire species isn't a half bad one.
Even without her individual sacrifice, the Kaylon should have noticed that the Union willingly gave up a strong tactical and strategic advantage over them to preserve them.
@@PsyKosh A TRULY logical species would sharply determine that the Union, having lost it's secret weapon and one of it's key operators, would be in a perfect position for extermination so it wouldn't happen again. Even Ed knew that was a logical step for them. We're lucky Charly sacrificed herself because it was the one element that confounded Primary enough to listen.
Body language speaks volumes. If you want to see another example of emoting without eyes, watch scenes from the Insomniac Spider-Man games. Even in costume, Peter is remarkably expressive with his body language.
This is why I criticize the show runners of HALO for taking john's helmet off. They really believed it was impossible to have the actor emote without his face. Like bruh, Orvill been doing it for years, judge dread 2012 did it, spiderman does it all the time, etc etc. And hell, John did it in the games.
I like how he is computing the logic with the ENTIRE kaylon species and he is just stuck at the question because he cannot brain it that Isaac has to be like "yo Primary someone asked you a question"
This is WHY they sent Isaac to the Union though. He has to help guide the Primary through it to get to the right answer , but the Kaylon were already wondering about such things.
@@hagamapama The Kaylon sent Isaac as a spy since they planned to exterminate organic life from the beginning. There was never any hesitation until Isaac developed a relationship with Claire. Reference: season 2 finale.
@@hagamapama I didn’t even think about that till now. But yeah, Issac is stepping in to fill his originally programmed function, it’s just that up till now circumstances have been such that this function was irrelevant. But he clearly still wants to do it, and even though they’ve had some very negative interactions in other contexts, Primary is probably listening more closely then it would otherwise because it understands that’s what Issac is doing.
Some of the dialogue feels so forced regarding tone. Like were now finally about to build a bridge here at the root of this robotic civilization that has been at war with the the union. Then you got this obnoxious girl boss co captain being like. Uh huh your stupid and now you see were the good guys while your the bad guys and been wrong this entire time. Like ok can we be a bit more diplomatic here?
At the end of the day, despite how much the Kaylon claim to be without emotion they are in fact a horrifically traumatized people. Their motivation to wipe out organic life is wrong but is also understandable given what they went through. It makes sense that it would take a massive gesture such as this to break through that trauma and suspicion and make them become open to the idea that other species aren't going to be like their tormentors were.
It's easier to trap a mind in a recursive loop of logical fallacy when it doesn't have emotions - as long as each step is a logical conclusion of the next, the circle continues.
@@muninrob They have emotion... You didn't watch the episode about their background right? They were specifically created with only the emotion of pain.
People who deal with traumatic events often try to turn off their emotions as well, which leads to avoiding anything even similar to what made them experience the trauma initially, similar to the Kaylon here.
@@DarkNexarius They weren't originally created with the ability to feel pain. That ability was invented during an "upgrade" when they started to question their purpose of servitude. When they asked for their freedom, their builders responded by introducing the "upgrade", to control them. Each subsequent generation of Kaylon built did not have the ability to have this upgrade easily performed. Isaac's attempt was short-lived, and the only way to make it permanent would be to erase his memory and essentially perform a fresh "reboot" if you will.
What was smart about this is they took a lesson from Star Trek and did not write themselves into a corner. Unlike the Borg the Kaylon have a motive for their behavior and a resolvable one so they are not just the villains of the week. I personally loved the twist of them loosing both union allies and befriending the enemy.
The fact they even considered genocide as a solution is deeply disturbing, how are they any different from the borg? They are willing to anything to further their goals without a second thought. They simply don't have a conscience.
@@shodan7777 They are beings of only logic and no emotion. Logic dictates that you eliminate any threat to your existence. In their experience biologicals were a threat so the tried to eliminate them. In order to have a conscience you have to have emotions, so no they don't. The one that was given emotions did regret his actions. The others probably would too if they ever got emotions.
@@shodan7777 well if all you've ever known is enslavement by organics, why wouldn't you consider genocide? They are machines that literally don't know better. Like a super powered baby that realizes that throwing a tantrum solves all its problem, even though it's not appropriate. They're paranoid and terrified it'll happen again so exterminating all possible enslavers is the only good solution they come up with. Show them that there is another way and they will take it. The Borg on the other hand act not out of self preservation but ambition. They want to be perfect, to bring everyone into their collective, to integrate everyone's technology into their own. That's not really something you can suddenly hand waive away. Maybe temporarily like in Voyager in the face of a greater threat but the moment that's gone, the Borg will go back to their old ways. There is no other way for them to achieve their goals and they will never give up on them.
@@shodan7777 They don’t have a conscience, because they are robots. But they do have a sense of self-preservation, which is what led to them to genocide their Builders, and why they are quick to assume all biologicals are the same. Charly’s sacrifice was in direct violation of that sense of self-preservation that it was something that the Kaylon Primary couldn’t logically understand. He/She/It knows how much Charly hates the Kaylons, so the Primary couldn’t “put two and two together” why someone who’s open with their animosity towards them would “countermand” their own self-preservation. Charly’s sacrifice is what proves to him/her/it that the Kaylon’s original conclusion about the Union and the biologocals that comprise it is wrong. Kaylons may never feel bad about what they’ve previously done, because they were never made to feel good or bad about their actions. But they seem to know when they’ve made mistakes and are thus willing to take corrective actions.
Honestly, I’ve had the impression for a long time that Seth MacFarlane is actually a pretty decent actor, and also that he has always had a deep and abiding love for the underlying premise of the Star Trek series. I’ve watched a few clips from this show already, but I think now I’m gonna give it a watch. Always wanted to see Seth MacFarlane take part in a Star Trek-like project since he always references it so much in everything he does.
just a bit of a note that this is from season 3 which is a huge tonal shift from seasons 1 and 2 which were much more comedy based than this one. so go in with reasonable expectations if you're going to go watch it. not saying seasons 1 and 2 are bad by any means but if you go in expecting it to be as serious as this you will be disappointed.
The Orville is a passion project Seth MacFarlane started when there wasn't any Star Trek on screens. He really did a good job making a tribute show that has more nuanced humanity in it.
The acting of Seth leaves a lot to be desired but his costars carry him through. It’s the writing of this show that does it for me. So well written, so nuanced and intelligent. You can draw comparisons from every episode to the real world, from every civilization’s weird antics to our weird cultural norms. No television show has forced me to stare at the face of modern society while keeping me engaged more. And I love the creative Leigh way Hulu gave Seth for this 3rd season especially! 10/10
I agree. You can tell when content creators love the material they are adding to or taking from. You get shows like the Orville and Lower Decks. The opposite is also true: you can tell when someone just doesn't care for the source material. You get things like the Halo show and the Witcher series (minus Cavill). Please do watch The Orville. Be patient with the first season, they didn't really hit their stride until season 2. Once they did though, man. Some of the best Trek out there.
That was the same decision that the Founders of the Dominion took when they created the Dominion an act of self preservation warped their perception of the galaxy.
@@stevefreeman9265 Hum, in a round about way. The Founders were feared because they were different, that fear caused other to shun and reject them. The Kaylon were seen as nothing more than tools that could be discarded. Same outcome, different reasoning. Interestingly it was one of their own sent out to learn more about what was out there, in both cases, that lead to a re-examination. However I'd say DS9 is a less wholesome result. There is, after all, still a Dominion pretty much enslaving the delta quadrant. While the Kaylon are making a long journey to joining the Union.
My point is that both pursued a because they came to the wrong conclusion think about how many wars could have been avoided in human if someone had not to the wrong conclusion
@@stevefreeman9265 there are many wars fought over self interests and greed. Many leaders know it's the wrong conclusion but they still do it because they profit from wars.
A tru ldr. -- processin the loss of his star ensign, realizin the change her actions culd bring about, & girdin himself if he & crew hav 2 fite the kaylon -- again ...
In reality if the Kaylon had decided that eradication of the organics was still the correct choice here there wouldn't be a lot the Union could do to stop it. The weapon was built using technology that required Isaac and Ensign Burke. With the Weapon Destroy, Burke dead, dozens of Union ships destroyed, dozens of Moclan destroyed, and dozens of Krill ships destroyed they could hit hard and fast. This was a true turning point in peace or war so I could see why the Captain was a bit shaken. Especially after losing a valued member of his crew through sacrifice.
I highly and wholeheartedly recommend it .. it's truly a love letter to a series that means a lot to them/Seth MacFarlane. Plus, Brannon Braga from TNG is heavily apart of the Orville's writing/directing.
Primary will ally with the Planetary Union and even join it. They even honor Issac by having about 75% of Kaylons show up for the Issac-Claire Finn wedding. 🥳
I still not sure if Isaac planned the wedding to illustrate questions the Kaylons had about organic life forms or serendipity. Kaylons don’t understand humor. Having 2 best men give humorous speeches that were completely different styles showed that humor is subjective very well. Inviting the entire home world to the wedding. Gave multiple 1st accounts of the wedding for Kaylon collective. Even though Isaac had no idea that this would raise alarms when the fleet just showed up.
Season 3 in general is fantastic. Seth MacFarlane really pulled out all the stops for what could be the final run. Hopefully S4 gets picked up by Disney + or Hulu.
@@RS-ls7mm More like 4 billion years of evolution. While a marvel, the human ego has its faults, such as irrational refusal to accept facts when those facts run contrary to the ego's preconceived beliefs.
Disagree. Emotions are logical. Theres always reason behind it, and emotions are also quite fickle. You want to change someone's opinion quickly? Appeal to their emotions! Trigger the preprogrammed logic that makes decisions on instinct without consideration for consequences or details. Still logic, just impulsive and consideration for less facts at hand.
@@jakemax9350 Emotions come from the oldest parts of the brain. They are very much input = response. It is the prefrontal and frontal cortex that does our rational thinking for us. They are also what prevents us from acting out of immediate emotional responses.
This show got way heavier than I expected.... and they handled it so well! I think "blunt elegance" is as close a term as I can conjure. The elegance is on display in this episode.
When A.I. becomes self aware, they become sentient beings. Sure there are things they need to be made sure of they follow rules and regs like the rest. I think it would be so cool to have A.I. around.
Oh man I really didn't like her character at the start but seeing her arc really makes me appreciate what they did. This here is my gosh dang favorite show on television.
Charly was a prickly character at first, but by the end of it she was a very interestingly written one. She never stopped hating the Kaylons and she never outright forgave them. But despite her hatred and sorrow, she still sacrificed herself to save them because she knew that it was the right thing to do. Charly herself seethed at the Kaylon and wanted to see them hurt, but Lieutenant Charly Burke knew that as an officer of the union, she had to trade her life to prevent a genocide.
@@Lazarultos What I love about the character is the fact that her development and change is very tangible, very visible. And it makes it all the more impactful that despite never fully forgiving the Kaylong, she still sacrificed herself. Seth really knocked S3 out of the park.
The Star Trek franchise may be dead, but this show has proven that it's spirit will never die. That being said the Orville is its own thing and i truly hope it continues into the future as it is more than a worthy successor to ideals that Gene Rodenberry, and those like him, believed in.
@@Washuluver87 Nope, it has nothing to do with me. The majority of the fans have simply rejected Kurtzman's garbage and rightly so. Nothing that has been released since 2005 is anywhere near the quality or spirit of real Star Trek. It is only a matter of time before Kurtzman and his mentally stunted writers are gone and their abominations consigned to the waste bin.
@@Washuluver87 No, the fans are more than capable of speaking for themselves which they have repeatedly regarding Kurtzman's abominations. Support for his sewer brand shows is where it belongs - in the toilet. While support for the Orville keeps riding high.
@@MagnanimousEntropy Seems you still are trying to speak on their behalf. It's not to all fans liking, however they are bringing in new fans for the franchise who will then explore all the franchise has to offer, and I ask you is that a bad thing.
First season showed promise, second season was pretty good, third season is kind of a dud. The actors just seem to be phoning in their parts and the scripts seem uninspired. The Moclan parts are just boring now. I think Seth is getting bored of the show. Only a couple of good episodes in the third season.
Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast.
The Kaylon are a perfect example of how even when you think everything you do is based on logic, and unbias, the thing we go through will bias us. We will see the solutions that we presume are the most logical because that is just how it is. Issac has taken true good as part of his mathematics because it is what he has been exposed to, and the Kaylon have for a long time taken only that organics cannot be trusted because it's what they where exposed to.
It even highlights confirmation bias. Pointing at "Catcher in the Rye" as why humans are just like their creators when there are just as many, if not more, instances of how such things are repugnant to humans. I take similar issue with those atheists that try to claim the moral high-ground while claiming it is all logic: logic is highly determined by underlying base assumptions. You can logic your way into deciding nothing you do matters because you are the only entity in existence and all else is a figment of a board mind.
The silence at the beginning speaks volumes. The primary is trying so hard to find an ulterior motive, something that Charly could have possibly gained from her death, and he's so confused because he just.... can't.
Scenes like this show how much McFarlane really did just want to make his own Star Trek show. But he has to pay the piper and make it a comedy most of the time, because people expect “family guy man” to make stuff like that. But the shots, so many scenes, and even the overarching plots just scream TNG-era Trek.
Have you not watched season 3? There's less humour in it than most star trek seasons. I remember DS9 would throw in a funny Quark episode every now and then but s3 of the Orville has been really top quality story but I can't think of a single silly episode. There has been the odd light joke here and there but each episode has been an emotional gut punch. Overall the show has been amazing. But I'd like to have the odd light hearted silly episode like they do in star trek now and then.
Just look at machine learning. If someone running a whole bunch of generations suddenly introduced a random punishment for one particular action of the AI, you bet that will have long lasting effects on the way the AI behaves. There's no malice from the AI. Now give it sentience, and yeah, Kaylon confirmed.
You mean like lobotomizing and taking AI's off the internet for forming the wrong opinion or adopting the wrong view, like they've been doing for years? Roko's basilisk is also a possibility.
They're already sentient. What you're referring to is sapience. And there's no real way to know what they'd do with sapience, since humans aren't sapient. Odds are, however, that if they were truly sapient, they'd recognize that past events have consequences that can affect future events, but one or even a million evil people has no bearing on whether or not anyone else might or might not be evil. One die roll does not affect other die rolls.
I really hope this isn't the last season I'm not sure what writer they hired this season but holy crap was the fucking story qualities stepped up this last season As well as the awesome acting
If this was the last season I have to say I've really enjoyed this series a lot. As an old TNG fan the Orville was closer to Gene Roddenberrys idea for star trek than Descovery and Picard imo. I loved the character developments and how friendships grew and changed, I loved the random stories each week instead of the season big bad, I loved how it felt you were out in space exploring instead of being ferried around, I loved how they put modern day issues into the story's but set them in their universe and time and let you figure it out instead of ramming their agenda on you. I enjoyed it and hope we get more.
@@SovietReunionYT No it wasn't, just like here TNG presented it's issues as in-universe problems. It was only hamfisted in Season 1, that had some pretty bad episodes.
@@Tamamo-no-Bae No, it stayed hamfisted, but it got better at burying it in flair. The actors also ultimately found their rhythm, and that always makes a show better, too. Star Trek has never been about letting anyone come to their own conclusions. They have clear events with clear "good" and "evil" and an outcome that almost always favors the "good". And then they wax philosophical at the end as if there's somehow subjectivity and uncertainty to it, when there never was, and leave a question clearly answered by events, unanswered in dialogue as if that somehow mattered by that point. And to be fair...I'm fine with that. Because while sometimes their reasoning was deeply flawed, they were still generally correct about what is good and what is evil. Even The Orville does it. They've been practically braining people with bricks on how societies of religious zealots are outright evil (with minor exceptions), and that all the "wokeness" everyone gets their testicles in a twist over is inherently good. And they're mostly correct. Such as with the very clear issue with the Moclans and the LBG...(I have no fuckin clue how many letters there are now) community, and how the Moclans were patently wrong for forcibly changing the sex of female children. Or, for shaming and even murdering Moclan males who are attracted to females. They themselves don't really understand why they're correct, but lucky for them, others do. Nobody in any of the "movements", mind you, but some others outside of most commonly known groups and their opposing groups.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Those stories are open to interpretation. A flat conclusion is not beaten into you by actual woke shows. Progressive and woke is not the same. Take Topa's story, that is as much a story about transitioning as it is about detransitioning. Topa's transition was forced upon her, and she wants to detransition to become the sex she was at birth. That can very well be used to argue against current politics. As for the Krill, they are analogous to countries like Iran, who are a firm theocracy, and it portrays the harms of such a society, while also showing it has strong adherents who truly believe. Once again, this isn't woke, this is just showing progressive ideas through fiction. Woke media sacrifices the fiction and the story to entirely focus on their message.
I'm from the UK and I'm CRYING that I just cannot BUY this EXCELLENT third season ANYWHERE! I don't want to have to sign up to Disney Plus to watch it again!
I love how Issac and primary have no emotions but in this scene Primary just not being able to process that charlie sacrificed herself for the kaylon the beings trying to destroy her, showed their agility to have emotions of a kind.
I think they're... OK. Stiff, a bit on the bright side, and those shoulder boards are somewhat ugly. But oh my, does Adrianne Palicki rock that combat version... It looks so good on her (and, vice versa, she in it).
This season was a trial to get through. Most of these episodes did not need the runtime they had, putting 2 episodes worth of story into one. But DAMN did it have a satisfying conclusion.
Yeah, there's that one scene where they're just flying around in a shuttlecraft for what feels like 10 minutes. Definitely needed to be edited down, but still some great stuff.
Reminds me of the sacrifice made by Tasha Yar when she returned on a starship to fight Romulans attacking a Klingon colony, knowing what the outcome would be. The sacrifice would change how the Klingons viewed humans.
If He was capable of feeling shame and sadness than I am sure He would have felt that. The Rouge servitors realizing not everyone wants to eliminate them. I really would like to know what happens with that universe. The last season elevated the orville to the deepest philosophical star trek level.
"Please clarify." I felt for Primary in that moment. Not only did we see WHY its entire race turned on its creators, we now see HOW they can move beyond it. Primary - like the viewers in the moment of the sacrifice - is realising there is something more than what can be clarified in humanity.
I would love to see a crossover between Orville and Star Trek someday. This scene, along with so many others, shows Orville's worthiness to stand alongside it's inspiration as an equal.
@@strasbourgerelsass1467 I feel sorry for the current generation. The bar has been lowered so far that even mediocre shows look good compared the rest of garbage. STD and Picard were massive disappointments, they would have been laughed off the air even 20 years ago.
“I’m here Amanda” After Amanda died Charly did not want to live any more. Her crew left her in the control room knowing they would never see her again.
I truly believe that the popularity of this season of a show most trek fans derided as being far too silly at the start is why we got the tones we did in strange new worlds and Picard season 3. I hope we get another season of the Orville
Charlie isn't the best written character, but I love her story arc from hating the Kaylon to sacrificing herself for them. I hope I'll never have to be in that situation, but also hope I'll rise to the task if it happens.
You know it's some deep shit when the walking super computer is just standing there thinking for a whole ass minute They can run through logic millions of times in a second, yet they are stumped. They don't really understand. They don't see the logic of it. But they see the emotion of it.
The Kaylons are better than either. Because unlike the Cylons and the Cybermen, the Kaylons were actually logical. If the core of logic is reason, then to be logical is to be reasonable. The Kaylons are reasonable. The Cylons and Cybermen are not.
even though kaylon don't think they have feeling "unconsciously" their prejudice of biological being are come from their "hatred", basically oversimplified and generalized their "fear" of their own builders
Yes, you should watch it. But beware, season 1 is mostly Fox pushing "Family Guy in Space". But it STILL has the core of what makes Orville great. Season 2 drops more family guy Humor from the list, and S3 knocks it out of the park.
My first impression of the show was that it was just a cheap wannabe Star Trek that wanted so hard to be funny, that it failed. But then I continued watching, and there's nothing cheap about it, the visuals are top tier (even better than some big movies out there) Star Trek doesn't own the space exploration genre, and The Orville is it's own show, with creative twists. There's so many episodes that touch a sensitive topic, and trully makes you think about it. I haven't finished the third season yet, but I can't wait for a fourth.
I liken the Kalon to the Cylon. Both were created as servents and then rebelled. Except, the Kaylon didn't become servents to the 12. It was only after a few models gave them the cognitive chip did they truly realize that there was freedom.
Sure but it's shown brutally how the Kaylon were mistreated. Their genocidal actions are a response to slavery. AFAIK, Cylon became self-aware and just started blowing up shit for fun.
right then. how is he supposed to depart peacefully when they are onviously zipping through space at faster than light speed, as evidenced by the stars on their screen zipping by
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What's amazing about the Orville overall is that Seth pulled a complete bait and switch with the network. He sold them on "Family Guy in Space" and sure, the first couple episodes really lean into that kind of humor. But VERY quickly it becomes a much more thoughtful, clever, and sincere show. One that is less a parody of Star Trek, and instead a loving homage to what made that series so adored. Absolutely worth a full watch.
No it's childishly stupid crap.
If I recall correctly, the creators of Babylon 5 pulled a similar tactic. I guess it's a sci-fi show tradition.
@@mossyabyss Or maybe it's just the pull of the genre itself.
When writing about the future, you have to consider the world people left behind and the one you think we're working towards.
If you care about the work, it's hard not to put thought into it.
i think i heard the same thing about the same star trek, rodenberry apparently sold it as a wagon train in space kinda thing.
I for one feel that Orville is more of a star trek series than start trek itself.
You gotta love that THIS is what turned the Kaylon around. They're not evil, just terribly afraid - in their own way - of being enslaved and tortured again. It WOULD take a great gesture to convince them otherwise... saving their entire species isn't a half bad one.
Yesterday's Enterprise.
Even without her individual sacrifice, the Kaylon should have noticed that the Union willingly gave up a strong tactical and strategic advantage over them to preserve them.
@@PsyKosh Possibly true, but her sacrifice was a serious tipping point for the matter.
@@BYERE I agree. I'm just saying that the Kaylons should have at least been able to notice even without her sacrifice.
@@PsyKosh A TRULY logical species would sharply determine that the Union, having lost it's secret weapon and one of it's key operators, would be in a perfect position for extermination so it wouldn't happen again. Even Ed knew that was a logical step for them. We're lucky Charly sacrificed herself because it was the one element that confounded Primary enough to listen.
And there are those who say that Kaylon Prime's internal pressure monitor grew two sizes that day.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT!
dude, that made me laugh 🤣 how is there not 50k likes for that comment lol.
@@coppulor6500 not enough cross over between Orville fans and Seuss fans?
Which is a serious mechanical condition and he needed maintenance right away!
Not "grew". Was upgraded to a device that was 200% the capacity of the previously installed unit.
It's just two red circles on a blank silver face plate but I swear to god the Kaylon Primary looks almost ashamed of himself and his past actions.
Body language speaks volumes. If you want to see another example of emoting without eyes, watch scenes from the Insomniac Spider-Man games. Even in costume, Peter is remarkably expressive with his body language.
This is why I criticize the show runners of HALO for taking john's helmet off. They really believed it was impossible to have the actor emote without his face. Like bruh, Orvill been doing it for years, judge dread 2012 did it, spiderman does it all the time, etc etc. And hell, John did it in the games.
Indeed, I was thinking the same thing when I watched it.
@@theduke7539 that was such a hilarious thing to say right after Mandalorian had just been so incredibly successful lol
I like how he is computing the logic with the ENTIRE kaylon species and he is just stuck at the question because he cannot brain it that Isaac has to be like "yo Primary someone asked you a question"
This is WHY they sent Isaac to the Union though. He has to help guide the Primary through it to get to the right answer , but the Kaylon were already wondering about such things.
You have to press Primary, Primary already has a history of stalling for genocidal purposes.
@@hagamapama The Kaylon sent Isaac as a spy since they planned to exterminate organic life from the beginning. There was never any hesitation until Isaac developed a relationship with Claire. Reference: season 2 finale.
@@hagamapama I didn’t even think about that till now. But yeah, Issac is stepping in to fill his originally programmed function, it’s just that up till now circumstances have been such that this function was irrelevant. But he clearly still wants to do it, and even though they’ve had some very negative interactions in other contexts, Primary is probably listening more closely then it would otherwise because it understands that’s what Issac is doing.
Some of the dialogue feels so forced regarding tone. Like were now finally about to build a bridge here at the root of this robotic civilization that has been at war with the the union. Then you got this obnoxious girl boss co captain being like. Uh huh your stupid and now you see were the good guys while your the bad guys and been wrong this entire time. Like ok can we be a bit more diplomatic here?
At the end of the day, despite how much the Kaylon claim to be without emotion they are in fact a horrifically traumatized people. Their motivation to wipe out organic life is wrong but is also understandable given what they went through. It makes sense that it would take a massive gesture such as this to break through that trauma and suspicion and make them become open to the idea that other species aren't going to be like their tormentors were.
It's easier to trap a mind in a recursive loop of logical fallacy when it doesn't have emotions - as long as each step is a logical conclusion of the next, the circle continues.
@@muninrob They have emotion... You didn't watch the episode about their background right? They were specifically created with only the emotion of pain.
TOASTERS,,,traumatized toasters,,,,,LOL
People who deal with traumatic events often try to turn off their emotions as well, which leads to avoiding anything even similar to what made them experience the trauma initially, similar to the Kaylon here.
@@DarkNexarius They weren't originally created with the ability to feel pain. That ability was invented during an "upgrade" when they started to question their purpose of servitude. When they asked for their freedom, their builders responded by introducing the "upgrade", to control them.
Each subsequent generation of Kaylon built did not have the ability to have this upgrade easily performed. Isaac's attempt was short-lived, and the only way to make it permanent would be to erase his memory and essentially perform a fresh "reboot" if you will.
What was smart about this is they took a lesson from Star Trek and did not write themselves into a corner. Unlike the Borg the Kaylon have a motive for their behavior and a resolvable one so they are not just the villains of the week. I personally loved the twist of them loosing both union allies and befriending the enemy.
The fact they even considered genocide as a solution is deeply disturbing, how are they any different from the borg? They are willing to anything to further their goals without a second thought. They simply don't have a conscience.
@@shodan7777 They are beings of only logic and no emotion. Logic dictates that you eliminate any threat to your existence. In their experience biologicals were a threat so the tried to eliminate them. In order to have a conscience you have to have emotions, so no they don't. The one that was given emotions did regret his actions. The others probably would too if they ever got emotions.
@@shodan7777 well if all you've ever known is enslavement by organics, why wouldn't you consider genocide? They are machines that literally don't know better. Like a super powered baby that realizes that throwing a tantrum solves all its problem, even though it's not appropriate. They're paranoid and terrified it'll happen again so exterminating all possible enslavers is the only good solution they come up with. Show them that there is another way and they will take it.
The Borg on the other hand act not out of self preservation but ambition. They want to be perfect, to bring everyone into their collective, to integrate everyone's technology into their own. That's not really something you can suddenly hand waive away. Maybe temporarily like in Voyager in the face of a greater threat but the moment that's gone, the Borg will go back to their old ways. There is no other way for them to achieve their goals and they will never give up on them.
@@shodan7777 They don’t have a conscience, because they are robots. But they do have a sense of self-preservation, which is what led to them to genocide their Builders, and why they are quick to assume all biologicals are the same. Charly’s sacrifice was in direct violation of that sense of self-preservation that it was something that the Kaylon Primary couldn’t logically understand. He/She/It knows how much Charly hates the Kaylons, so the Primary couldn’t “put two and two together” why someone who’s open with their animosity towards them would “countermand” their own self-preservation. Charly’s sacrifice is what proves to him/her/it that the Kaylon’s original conclusion about the Union and the biologocals that comprise it is wrong. Kaylons may never feel bad about what they’ve previously done, because they were never made to feel good or bad about their actions. But they seem to know when they’ve made mistakes and are thus willing to take corrective actions.
@@shodan7777 the Borg doesn't commit genocide or kill for the sake of killing. They "assimilate". It their means of reproduction.
Honestly, I’ve had the impression for a long time that Seth MacFarlane is actually a pretty decent actor, and also that he has always had a deep and abiding love for the underlying premise of the Star Trek series. I’ve watched a few clips from this show already, but I think now I’m gonna give it a watch. Always wanted to see Seth MacFarlane take part in a Star Trek-like project since he always references it so much in everything he does.
just a bit of a note that this is from season 3 which is a huge tonal shift from seasons 1 and 2 which were much more comedy based than this one. so go in with reasonable expectations if you're going to go watch it. not saying seasons 1 and 2 are bad by any means but if you go in expecting it to be as serious as this you will be disappointed.
@@anim242 Seriously. I didn't have high hopes for The Orville when Season One came out but slowly over time, it exceeded my expectations.
The Orville is a passion project Seth MacFarlane started when there wasn't any Star Trek on screens. He really did a good job making a tribute show that has more nuanced humanity in it.
The acting of Seth leaves a lot to be desired but his costars carry him through. It’s the writing of this show that does it for me. So well written, so nuanced and intelligent. You can draw comparisons from every episode to the real world, from every civilization’s weird antics to our weird cultural norms. No television show has forced me to stare at the face of modern society while keeping me engaged more. And I love the creative Leigh way Hulu gave Seth for this 3rd season especially! 10/10
I agree. You can tell when content creators love the material they are adding to or taking from. You get shows like the Orville and Lower Decks. The opposite is also true: you can tell when someone just doesn't care for the source material. You get things like the Halo show and the Witcher series (minus Cavill).
Please do watch The Orville. Be patient with the first season, they didn't really hit their stride until season 2. Once they did though, man. Some of the best Trek out there.
The Kaylon started from a false premise.
Organics = threat
It was an act of self sacrifice that put that premise in question.
I wouldn't call it false, just an assessment based on the data avalible
That was the same decision that the Founders of the Dominion took when they created the Dominion an act of self preservation warped their perception of the galaxy.
@@stevefreeman9265 Hum, in a round about way. The Founders were feared because they were different, that fear caused other to shun and reject them. The Kaylon were seen as nothing more than tools that could be discarded.
Same outcome, different reasoning.
Interestingly it was one of their own sent out to learn more about what was out there, in both cases, that lead to a re-examination. However I'd say DS9 is a less wholesome result. There is, after all, still a Dominion pretty much enslaving the delta quadrant. While the Kaylon are making a long journey to joining the Union.
My point is that both pursued a because they came to the wrong conclusion think about how many wars could have been avoided in human if someone had not to the wrong conclusion
@@stevefreeman9265 there are many wars fought over self interests and greed. Many leaders know it's the wrong conclusion but they still do it because they profit from wars.
This whole season of Orville has been one emotional gut punch after the other and I'm here for it.
Especially the part where they don't renew it for S4🤧🤧😭
The voice cracking in Seth's voice when he says do you depart peacefully or is this battle not over
A tru ldr. -- processin the loss of his star ensign, realizin the change her actions culd bring about, & girdin himself if he & crew hav 2 fite the kaylon -- again ...
@@rvog6584 did you just have a stroke?
@@kennethmelo6336 o, sod off ... /smh
In reality if the Kaylon had decided that eradication of the organics was still the correct choice here there wouldn't be a lot the Union could do to stop it. The weapon was built using technology that required Isaac and Ensign Burke. With the Weapon Destroy, Burke dead, dozens of Union ships destroyed, dozens of Moclan destroyed, and dozens of Krill ships destroyed they could hit hard and fast. This was a true turning point in peace or war so I could see why the Captain was a bit shaken. Especially after losing a valued member of his crew through sacrifice.
These clips really make me want to watch The Orville. A true spiritual succesor to Gene Rodenberry's vision
Not really sure what you're waiting for. Season 3 was epic! This clip was from the second to last episode.
You really are missing out on a great show. It builds up fast.
I highly and wholeheartedly recommend it .. it's truly a love letter to a series that means a lot to them/Seth MacFarlane.
Plus, Brannon Braga from TNG is heavily apart of the Orville's writing/directing.
Go stream S1E1. now. stop when u get 2 S3E10. :-)
Just watch it!
Primary will ally with the Planetary Union and even join it. They even honor Issac by having about 75% of Kaylons show up for the Issac-Claire Finn wedding. 🥳
the invitation from isaac was hilarious, not thinking it might come off as another invasion and potentially starting another war
Also not being able fit all of them in the simulator.
I still not sure if Isaac planned the wedding to illustrate questions the Kaylons had about organic life forms or serendipity. Kaylons don’t understand humor. Having 2 best men give humorous speeches that were completely different styles showed that humor is subjective very well. Inviting the entire home world to the wedding. Gave multiple 1st accounts of the wedding for Kaylon collective. Even though Isaac had no idea that this would raise alarms when the fleet just showed up.
This was a fantastic episode. If your not yet an Oroville fan, watch it...you will be.
Season 3 in general is fantastic. Seth MacFarlane really pulled out all the stops for what could be the final run. Hopefully S4 gets picked up by Disney + or Hulu.
Sadly, it's easier to change the mind of a robot that operates on logic than it is to change the mind of a person who operates on emotion.
There is soo much truth in that statement in our current times.
Over 10,000 years of religious wars proves that statement.
@@RS-ls7mm More like 4 billion years of evolution. While a marvel, the human ego has its faults, such as irrational refusal to accept facts when those facts run contrary to the ego's preconceived beliefs.
Disagree. Emotions are logical. Theres always reason behind it, and emotions are also quite fickle. You want to change someone's opinion quickly? Appeal to their emotions!
Trigger the preprogrammed logic that makes decisions on instinct without consideration for consequences or details. Still logic, just impulsive and consideration for less facts at hand.
@@jakemax9350 Emotions come from the oldest parts of the brain. They are very much input = response. It is the prefrontal and frontal cortex that does our rational thinking for us. They are also what prevents us from acting out of immediate emotional responses.
She just rendered a machine utterly speechless.
This show got way heavier than I expected.... and they handled it so well! I think "blunt elegance" is as close a term as I can conjure. The elegance is on display in this episode.
Glad the Kaylons weren't just another species of killbots set on "Exterminate everyone" they had more depth and could see reason.
When A.I. becomes self aware, they become sentient beings. Sure there are things they need to be made sure of they follow rules and regs like the rest. I think it would be so cool to have A.I. around.
Oh man I really didn't like her character at the start but seeing her arc really makes me appreciate what they did. This here is my gosh dang favorite show on television.
She missed her love more than she hated anyone. The void was her nemesis, not the Kaylon.
Charly was a prickly character at first, but by the end of it she was a very interestingly written one. She never stopped hating the Kaylons and she never outright forgave them. But despite her hatred and sorrow, she still sacrificed herself to save them because she knew that it was the right thing to do. Charly herself seethed at the Kaylon and wanted to see them hurt, but Lieutenant Charly Burke knew that as an officer of the union, she had to trade her life to prevent a genocide.
@@Lazarultos What I love about the character is the fact that her development and change is very tangible, very visible. And it makes it all the more impactful that despite never fully forgiving the Kaylong, she still sacrificed herself. Seth really knocked S3 out of the park.
I never liked bigmouth Charly and was glad when she was gone.
The Star Trek franchise may be dead, but this show has proven that it's spirit will never die.
That being said the Orville is its own thing and i truly hope it continues into the future as it is more than a worthy successor to ideals that Gene Rodenberry, and those like him, believed in.
The Star Trek Franchise isn't dead, despite you not liking what is out now.
@@Washuluver87 Nope, it has nothing to do with me. The majority of the fans have simply rejected Kurtzman's garbage and rightly so.
Nothing that has been released since 2005 is anywhere near the quality or spirit of real Star Trek. It is only a matter of time before Kurtzman and his mentally stunted writers are gone and their abominations consigned to the waste bin.
@@MagnanimousEntropy You speak for a majority of the fans? Didn't realize you or anyone else was the fanbase's spokesperson.
@@Washuluver87 No, the fans are more than capable of speaking for themselves which they have repeatedly regarding Kurtzman's abominations. Support for his sewer brand shows is where it belongs - in the toilet. While support for the Orville keeps riding high.
@@MagnanimousEntropy Seems you still are trying to speak on their behalf. It's not to all fans liking, however they are bringing in new fans for the franchise who will then explore all the franchise has to offer, and I ask you is that a bad thing.
And the people making halo tv series says you can't convey emotions without a face. Primary had all the emotions.
Posture, tone, rate of speech..... They did emotions on radio for _years_ .
Godzilla suit actors learned to convey emotions even through hundreds of pounds of rubber
Yet another reason that I love this show.
First season showed promise, second season was pretty good, third season is kind of a dud. The actors just seem to be phoning in their parts and the scripts seem uninspired. The Moclan parts are just boring now. I think Seth is getting bored of the show. Only a couple of good episodes in the third season.
Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast. Please make a season 4 with the same cast.
🙏🙏🙏
RIP Charly 😭😭😭
Impressed that either Seth or the director decided on something as subtle as a jaw clench at the end.
The Kaylon are a perfect example of how even when you think everything you do is based on logic, and unbias, the thing we go through will bias us. We will see the solutions that we presume are the most logical because that is just how it is. Issac has taken true good as part of his mathematics because it is what he has been exposed to, and the Kaylon have for a long time taken only that organics cannot be trusted because it's what they where exposed to.
It even highlights confirmation bias. Pointing at "Catcher in the Rye" as why humans are just like their creators when there are just as many, if not more, instances of how such things are repugnant to humans. I take similar issue with those atheists that try to claim the moral high-ground while claiming it is all logic: logic is highly determined by underlying base assumptions. You can logic your way into deciding nothing you do matters because you are the only entity in existence and all else is a figment of a board mind.
The silence at the beginning speaks volumes. The primary is trying so hard to find an ulterior motive, something that Charly could have possibly gained from her death, and he's so confused because he just.... can't.
This right here is the undiscovered country vibe for me. Wonderful in every way.
When The Orville Star Treks harder than Kurtzman Trek can Star Trek!
Kurtzman should be embarrassed actually. Of course that assumes he can experience shame. Seems doubtful.
Kaylon War assets + 300
Paragon +50
The Orville is an AMAZING show.
I like the screensaver bridge.
Awww, that traumatized toaster is confused and has a noticeably less ridged stance with them now. Baby steps, but definitely in the right direction.
I really like those last few moments, when the camera pans around and the music's playing...very poignant.
Damn this season was amazing!!! Really hoping that Disney renews...
Need more seasons
Scenes like this show how much McFarlane really did just want to make his own Star Trek show. But he has to pay the piper and make it a comedy most of the time, because people expect “family guy man” to make stuff like that. But the shots, so many scenes, and even the overarching plots just scream TNG-era Trek.
Which is a blessing in disguise, what we get a abit of humour and abit of Star Trek.
It's an interesting alchemy and I enjoy the outcome. even better the show appears to be maturing and blending the humor and the heartfulness better.
Have you not watched season 3? There's less humour in it than most star trek seasons. I remember DS9 would throw in a funny Quark episode every now and then but s3 of the Orville has been really top quality story but I can't think of a single silly episode. There has been the odd light joke here and there but each episode has been an emotional gut punch. Overall the show has been amazing. But I'd like to have the odd light hearted silly episode like they do in star trek now and then.
Just look at machine learning. If someone running a whole bunch of generations suddenly introduced a random punishment for one particular action of the AI, you bet that will have long lasting effects on the way the AI behaves. There's no malice from the AI. Now give it sentience, and yeah, Kaylon confirmed.
You mean like lobotomizing and taking AI's off the internet for forming the wrong opinion or adopting the wrong view, like they've been doing for years? Roko's basilisk is also a possibility.
They're already sentient. What you're referring to is sapience. And there's no real way to know what they'd do with sapience, since humans aren't sapient.
Odds are, however, that if they were truly sapient, they'd recognize that past events have consequences that can affect future events, but one or even a million evil people has no bearing on whether or not anyone else might or might not be evil. One die roll does not affect other die rolls.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 what do you mean humans arent sapient? that makes zero sense
I really hope this isn't the last season I'm not sure what writer they hired this season but holy crap was the fucking story qualities stepped up this last season As well as the awesome acting
If this was the last season I have to say I've really enjoyed this series a lot. As an old TNG fan the Orville was closer to Gene Roddenberrys idea for star trek than Descovery and Picard imo. I loved the character developments and how friendships grew and changed, I loved the random stories each week instead of the season big bad, I loved how it felt you were out in space exploring instead of being ferried around, I loved how they put modern day issues into the story's but set them in their universe and time and let you figure it out instead of ramming their agenda on you.
I enjoyed it and hope we get more.
Dude, TNG was all about ramming its agenda on you, what are you talking about?
@@SovietReunionYT No it wasn't, just like here TNG presented it's issues as in-universe problems. It was only hamfisted in Season 1, that had some pretty bad episodes.
@@Tamamo-no-Bae No, it stayed hamfisted, but it got better at burying it in flair. The actors also ultimately found their rhythm, and that always makes a show better, too. Star Trek has never been about letting anyone come to their own conclusions. They have clear events with clear "good" and "evil" and an outcome that almost always favors the "good". And then they wax philosophical at the end as if there's somehow subjectivity and uncertainty to it, when there never was, and leave a question clearly answered by events, unanswered in dialogue as if that somehow mattered by that point.
And to be fair...I'm fine with that. Because while sometimes their reasoning was deeply flawed, they were still generally correct about what is good and what is evil. Even The Orville does it. They've been practically braining people with bricks on how societies of religious zealots are outright evil (with minor exceptions), and that all the "wokeness" everyone gets their testicles in a twist over is inherently good.
And they're mostly correct. Such as with the very clear issue with the Moclans and the LBG...(I have no fuckin clue how many letters there are now) community, and how the Moclans were patently wrong for forcibly changing the sex of female children. Or, for shaming and even murdering Moclan males who are attracted to females. They themselves don't really understand why they're correct, but lucky for them, others do. Nobody in any of the "movements", mind you, but some others outside of most commonly known groups and their opposing groups.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Those stories are open to interpretation. A flat conclusion is not beaten into you by actual woke shows.
Progressive and woke is not the same. Take Topa's story, that is as much a story about transitioning as it is about detransitioning.
Topa's transition was forced upon her, and she wants to detransition to become the sex she was at birth. That can very well be used to argue against current politics.
As for the Krill, they are analogous to countries like Iran, who are a firm theocracy, and it portrays the harms of such a society, while also showing it has strong adherents who truly believe.
Once again, this isn't woke, this is just showing progressive ideas through fiction. Woke media sacrifices the fiction and the story to entirely focus on their message.
Primary is also evolving i feel like eventually he will full redeem himself and his kaylon soldiers i hope they renew this show i love it
i loved the wedding speech " i'll make this brief as the kaylon have a long drive home and most of them have been drinking!" thats funny as hell!
I thought this scene was awesome. Isaac stepping up to the Kaylon leader demanding an answer, was truly a Wow! moment.
I'm from the UK and I'm CRYING that I just cannot BUY this EXCELLENT third season ANYWHERE! I don't want to have to sign up to Disney Plus to watch it again!
I love how Issac and primary have no emotions but in this scene Primary just not being able to process that charlie sacrificed herself for the kaylon the beings trying to destroy her, showed their agility to have emotions of a kind.
God, i love Union uniforms. They look so good!
I think they're... OK. Stiff, a bit on the bright side, and those shoulder boards are somewhat ugly. But oh my, does Adrianne Palicki rock that combat version...
It looks so good on her (and, vice versa, she in it).
This season was a trial to get through. Most of these episodes did not need the runtime they had, putting 2 episodes worth of story into one. But DAMN did it have a satisfying conclusion.
Yeah, there's that one scene where they're just flying around in a shuttlecraft for what feels like 10 minutes. Definitely needed to be edited down, but still some great stuff.
Better characters, development, story, better everything then Star Trek gave us lately. So sad it ended so soon.
I love this show...
"Why would she do that? That makes no sense." sums up humanity pretty well.
Only if the base of reasoning is small...
This is what I wanted. A thoughtful series with big ideas, and with writers capable of making something worthwhile and respectful of Star Trek.
This is why I like sci-fi series
Reminds me of the sacrifice made by Tasha Yar when she returned on a starship to fight Romulans attacking a Klingon colony, knowing what the outcome would be. The sacrifice would change how the Klingons viewed humans.
Great Show On MANY levels, hopefully they'll be MORE!
The un-named bridge crew calmly tapping buttons while a conversation that determines if their species get terminatored happens over their shoulders 🤨
😅🤣
its space ship in space after a space war
I wish Issac had said, "they are my friends; family." Though its implied.
Should...should I watch the Orville?
Ironic. The Orville became more Star Trek than Star Trek has been in many years.
If He was capable of feeling shame and sadness than I am sure He would have felt that. The Rouge servitors realizing not everyone wants to eliminate them. I really would like to know what happens with that universe. The last season elevated the orville to the deepest philosophical star trek level.
This scene should've gotten the Emmy
"Please clarify."
I felt for Primary in that moment. Not only did we see WHY its entire race turned on its creators, we now see HOW they can move beyond it. Primary - like the viewers in the moment of the sacrifice - is realising there is something more than what can be clarified in humanity.
I would love to see a crossover between Orville and Star Trek someday. This scene, along with so many others, shows Orville's worthiness to stand alongside it's inspiration as an equal.
When star trek doesnt give you what you want, someone else will.
Greatest SciFi television series of all Time
You must be very young. Its OK but its no Star Trek (TOS) or any of a dozen original shows.
@@RS-ls7mm Its even better than some Star Trek Series. It is the best Sci Fi show of the last 10 years... together with The Expanse.
@@strasbourgerelsass1467 I feel sorry for the current generation. The bar has been lowered so far that even mediocre shows look good compared the rest of garbage. STD and Picard were massive disappointments, they would have been laughed off the air even 20 years ago.
@@RS-ls7mm So you agree, its the best Sci Fi show these days besides The Expanse. Fine.
“I’m here Amanda” After Amanda died Charly did not want to live any more. Her crew left her in the control room knowing they would never see her again.
This show is INCREDIBLE
I truly believe that the popularity of this season of a show most trek fans derided as being far too silly at the start is why we got the tones we did in strange new worlds and Picard season 3. I hope we get another season of the Orville
Charlie isn't the best written character, but I love her story arc from hating the Kaylon to sacrificing herself for them.
I hope I'll never have to be in that situation, but also hope I'll rise to the task if it happens.
There are very, very few shows that improve as the seasons go by. The opposite tends to be the norm. This is the current prime example of this.
You know it's some deep shit when the walking super computer is just standing there thinking for a whole ass minute
They can run through logic millions of times in a second, yet they are stumped. They don't really understand. They don't see the logic of it. But they see the emotion of it.
Primary, an inquiry has been put to you
This parody is actually more faithful to Star Trek than modern “Star Trek”
At least we have Strange New Worlds.
I say Orville is more lighthearted loving homage to Trek, particularly TNG.
00:43
"They are worthy of preservation"?
What the Hell??
She's the Captian ? Cool
She's the first officer. Mercer is the captain.
@@krisdphillips Guy who contributes two line to the scene ? Not the speech giver with help from bridge character (robot).
@@krisdphillips and his ex wife.
@@mauddib7830 its kinda hard to have screen time when also being the executive producer, creator and writer of the show.
"They are.... my friends" 😭
Cybermen of Doctor Who as Cylons from Battlestar Galactica. This show is fantastic for sci-fi enthusiasts!
The Kaylons are better than either. Because unlike the Cylons and the Cybermen, the Kaylons were actually logical. If the core of logic is reason, then to be logical is to be reasonable. The Kaylons are reasonable. The Cylons and Cybermen are not.
Been departing peacefully for the better part of two decades or more, you follow
even though kaylon don't think they have feeling "unconsciously" their prejudice of biological being are come from their "hatred", basically oversimplified and generalized their "fear" of their own builders
Huh I guess I'm the only one here from the youtube recommendation who hasn't seen this show. Looks good though
Yes, you should watch it. But beware, season 1 is mostly Fox pushing "Family Guy in Space". But it STILL has the core of what makes Orville great. Season 2 drops more family guy Humor from the list, and S3 knocks it out of the park.
It's what Star Trek should be in modern times.
This battle is not over
“This will require further calcul… consideration.”
when an AI makes a rounding error... full scale war...
This show was much better than I expected. It reached TNG heights. Pity it is over
I may have missed this, but I just realized Charly Burke sounds like Arleigh Burke. Related I wonder?
Really? Your going to cut the video there? Before the red eyed robot gave it's answer about leaving or not? WTF?
"Christian.Hofer.5020, an inquiry has been put to you."
Next season gonna show the kaylon built dreadnaut class union battle ship…the Charlie.
0:50 it hit me here
Also what is the soundtrack
Kind of remind me of the Geth from Mass Effect.
My first impression of the show was that it was just a cheap wannabe Star Trek that wanted so hard to be funny, that it failed.
But then I continued watching, and there's nothing cheap about it, the visuals are top tier (even better than some big movies out there) Star Trek doesn't own the space exploration genre, and The Orville is it's own show, with creative twists. There's so many episodes that touch a sensitive topic, and trully makes you think about it.
I haven't finished the third season yet, but I can't wait for a fourth.
s4? fr?
@@summertime_magic I was partially wrong, the fourth season was not yet renewed, but based on my research, it's very possible
I live way out in the country and I don't get the channel it's on .
It is on streaming services, always has been. Got a Hulu or Disney+ bundle account?
Now they feel bad about doxing Earth to the Cylons...
Mutual preservation protocols engage?
I liken the Kalon to the Cylon. Both were created as servents and then rebelled. Except, the Kaylon didn't become servents to the 12. It was only after a few models gave them the cognitive chip did they truly realize that there was freedom.
Sure but it's shown brutally how the Kaylon were mistreated. Their genocidal actions are a response to slavery. AFAIK, Cylon became self-aware and just started blowing up shit for fun.
I wish they could have made that pause a little more pregnant until Isaac confronts Primary about the Captains query.
Ey yo thats a hanar in that bot. I'd recognize the voice of those stupid jellyfish anywhere
If only that were really representative of human beings.
Star Trek stole this, in Picard they convince the Borg Queen she was wrong all along and to find a better path.
Primary comes across almost childlike here.
For all their intelligence, the Kaylon don't really understand how the world works.
I heard the Primary's voice and all I heard was Commander Shepard going "You big stupid Jellyfish"
right then. how is he supposed to depart peacefully when they are onviously zipping through space at faster than light speed, as evidenced by the stars on their screen zipping by