Currently watching One Piece only started about 2 weeks back and already that series alone is better than every single Isekai including the good ones I’ve watched like Re Zero, Mushoku Tensei and Konosuba. Other series like Dragon Ball JoJos and for some atleast Naruto and I haven’t seen bleach yet but from what I’ve heard it’s probably better too.
Brother is speaking facts and facts only. This definitely had to be said, every story deserves to be judged on its own rather than comparing it to the rest of its ilk, and you couldn't have phrased it any better. Great video dude.
Shounen smash or pass was fun to do. Great activity to open up people's eyes on what they like and what they don't. I always say I don't like mecha but basically every show I've seen I really enjoyed so it just dont add up
Shonen is fighting and meny kind of fighting Death note One piece HXH Jojo Dragon ball z Bakuman Isekai is MC god like game setting Mid European Age harem and Also i don't know i never seen Isekai anime but I watched Isekai Comedy 😅
One think I realized the difference between Isekai and Shounen is that Isekai is a lot more felxible than Shounen do. Shounen are mostly actions focus and story telling which most of the time falls into what I like to called “Blue Exorcist” or in morden day standard “Jujutsu Kaisen” syndrome. Okay here’s most of the “Average Shounen plot” that is literally very easy to do. MC didn’t know to have this power beings and being uncontrollable. The MC get relocated into “Another school that is all about these powers” then fighting bad guys and having everything slap in the face in the first chapters because why not. Blue Exorcist, Jujutsu Kaisen and another Manga that I read recently, Tougen Anki. 3 of these had exactly the same plot, exactly the same execution and exact same outcome. BE, JK and TA are about MC have Demonic Powers and have to attend a new school to use those powers and they work as organizations. I can say Bleach can falls into this too but again Bleach atleast try something a bit different. Isekai works in pretty much every area and every Tag even it can combo with Shounen. Yes, Isekai is like a stylish plate that you can put any food in it while Shounen is the actual food itself. Isekai got stylish points. And also it is quite relatable. Yes, there are many Unique Shounen like DBZ and One Piece. Isekai doesn’t have much restrictions at all when it comes to its theme. Which actually very good for those who want to write a story based on Fantasy world but you want to keep it simple knowledge of the world that you lived in as well.
I agree but kinda disagree, Most Battle Shonen's are published in official magazines where you have to have a certain standard of quality, so while you get a lot of Battle Shonen that are kinda okey or mid, on the whole you don't get many that are dumpster fires, most Isekei's nowadays are light novels adapted from web novels, and web novels are often uploaded to the equivalent of Wattpad or a fanfiction site, so there isn't a standard of quality. You can get amazing masterpieces all the way to the lowest of trash fan fiction. Plus a lot of people just get burned out on Iseki due to how many are released. Add to that its often mixed with the Harem genre, which more often than not is basically pandering with a few exceptions and you can understand why people tend to hate on Isekai. BTW plenty of anime Elitist hate on Shonen as well, just saying. For being typical Monomyth Hero's Journey coming of age narratives with a wide eyed idealistic protagonist as oppose to being some Avant garde subversive art house work. P.S Technically K-On! is Seinen.
I've said that pretty clearly in the video though. Right near the start I state that the intro to the video is more so to prove the point that generalizing genres/subgenres/demographics/etc doesn't make much sense when put into it's proper context, and I even say that about shonen, there are many many elitists with the mindset of "seinen > shonen", as I said, it happens to every genre/demographic to varying degrees. The general point of the video, as stated in it, is that blanket generalizations tend to lack sufficient context for them to have any sort of merit whatsoever. And when it comes to your point about burnout, I address that as well. How the amount and popularity of Isekai by themselves lead people to have a negative perception of it. And Isekai anime don't get adapted from web novels. They get adapted from light novels, which were adapted from web novels. So there is a similar selection process to that of manga, as only the best web novels get adapted into light novels in the first place.
Not even technically, k-on is seinen, again showing how easy it is to show contradictions in these generalizations of genre and demographic. Thanks for the comment!
What "amazing masterpieces"? At least Isekai can release tonnes and tonnes of good animes. For Shounen we have to wait years to get a good shounen anime so what's your point??? The only shounen animes that are ongoing is One Piece and Demon Slayer. Honestly, they both suck right now. And Demon Slayer has always been terrible. And some of the shounen fans are waiting for trash animes like Bleach? Lmaoooooo 😂😂😂😂😂
@@theraikouemp4ror997 I never mentioned "amazing masterpieces" also Demon Slayer Manga is over. If you're talking about the anime bleach started back up, Attack on Titan, Chainsaw Man, Jujitsu Kaisen are all still ongoing as well. Not sure what your arguing against in your rant
Yeah I'm not that big on shield hero, or a few others I said for that matter. That first section was meant to be me acting very biased, to show how some people act regarding generalizing genres. My bad if it didn't come across cleary enough 💀
More like shonen is generic same stupid mc who thinks punching things can somehow work Mc who don't have brain Same fatherless backstory Same sad backstory Then somehow get stronger just cuz their friends got hurt And can somehow get everything fix without a reason If this is not generic i don't know what is😊
i do generalize isekai because most of them that are coming out in the recent time are all trash. They do the same thing all over again and do not even improve. They just waste their potential on garbage like these. And i even find Slime the same as a normal garbage isekai. Its not different but you people somehow ended up liking it despite it not being different in any way than other isekai (trash isekai, Shield hero and the rest what you mentioned not included).
I agree that most Isekai suck. And honestly, I'm not that big on slime, I'd say it's above average. But the reason I don't think we should be singling isekai out (or any other genre) , is because so are most anime. Most romance anime aren't good. Most battle shonen aren't good. Most slice of life aren't good. And so on. The difference to me is that we get so many more Isekai, and the bad ones still get popular. That was my point, I hope I got it across better this time.
@@Ayvhel pretty much understandable. My view on the difference between bad battleshonen and bad isekai is, that isekai always do the same thing all over again. While battleshonen try to go a bit different route, but fail to do so. For example Magmell Of The Blue Sea, it was very unique, but it failed. Or Big Order, i cant recall what the anime was truly about, but it was totally different from what i saw so far. And ? it failed it wasnt good. On the side of the isekai there are many examples that are just the same but with different character designs. And sadly it gets worse with time because these mangaka do copy each other and draw the same exact thing to us to show..... but for our sake, there are SOME that outclass these, like the examples you mentioned. But in comparsion, isekai is just the worse genre.
@@Ayvhel and yeah slice of life and romance is just like isekai, but with the difference that it is hard to make a unique story in these genres. Even if we talk about real life series or movies, romance and slice of life do end up the same and have a very very similiar route to the end. Most of the isekai, and i am sure around 80% have many ways to present the story for us, and making it unique. But they dont use the potential what resides within...
fair point but i gonna give a hot take as of now which has nothing to do with this video, Mushoku Tensei is garbage, not because of the plot but due to its "fan service" which consists of a 30 year man in a ten to fiveteen year old body perving for underage children, I dont care if the demon queen is 1000 years old, she is still in like 8 year old body and the main girl is like fiveteen FYI: You sound creepy as hell if you justify it by saying there in another world legal age is diffrent...'yea its fiction so it techniqe does count as child" bro anyone who says that should go join Chris when he gets convicted. I had to take a 3 month break after I saw the ship scene, and only started again because I kept telling myself it not as bad as i thought. Which is not true. I was 17 at the time of watching it. I realize writing this does not matter but good way to relieve stress.
Saying Isekai is better than Shonen is a CRAZY take ngl
there are very few isekai that aren’t shonen
Currently watching One Piece only started about 2 weeks back and already that series alone is better than every single Isekai including the good ones I’ve watched like Re Zero, Mushoku Tensei and Konosuba.
Other series like Dragon Ball JoJos and for some atleast Naruto and I haven’t seen bleach yet but from what I’ve heard it’s probably better too.
Brother is speaking facts and facts only. This definitely had to be said, every story deserves to be judged on its own rather than comparing it to the rest of its ilk, and you couldn't have phrased it any better. Great video dude.
thank you, thank you 🙏
much appreciated my man
Opinions are not fuckjng facts learn to think 4 yourself
@@Ayvhel are you crazy , you are saying that esekai is better. Now, I know why you're channel is not growing lol and it will never be😂😂
Shonen better than Isekai
My guy went offf with the intro, absolutely gripped me, and followed it up with a great video
You a banger my guy
I'm a fantasy person, so I agree.
Banger
Shounen smash or pass was fun to do. Great activity to open up people's eyes on what they like and what they don't. I always say I don't like mecha but basically every show I've seen I really enjoyed so it just dont add up
It's just something we all do, we be talking without thinking first.
Facts
Lmao fax fax
Good video, I really dig this one.
Thanks man 🙏
😂 that the reason why views are lower than 1k 😂. In 2 years 😂
1:58 POV: when you are a new comer who just join a veteran team.
True innit?
Shonen is fighting and meny kind of fighting Death note One piece HXH Jojo Dragon ball z Bakuman
Isekai is MC god like game setting Mid European Age harem and Also i don't know i never seen Isekai anime but I watched Isekai Comedy 😅
Just when I think you can't get more based, you drop this
Based on a true story
You got a subscriber for this. So you better be good.
I'll try 👀
absolute goat
Indeed bro 😈
GOAT 🔥
Can't argue with fax Ngl
One think I realized the difference between Isekai and Shounen is that Isekai is a lot more felxible than Shounen do. Shounen are mostly actions focus and story telling which most of the time falls into what I like to called “Blue Exorcist” or in morden day standard “Jujutsu Kaisen” syndrome. Okay here’s most of the “Average Shounen plot” that is literally very easy to do. MC didn’t know to have this power beings and being uncontrollable. The MC get relocated into “Another school that is all about these powers” then fighting bad guys and having everything slap in the face in the first chapters because why not. Blue Exorcist, Jujutsu Kaisen and another Manga that I read recently, Tougen Anki. 3 of these had exactly the same plot, exactly the same execution and exact same outcome. BE, JK and TA are about MC have Demonic Powers and have to attend a new school to use those powers and they work as organizations. I can say Bleach can falls into this too but again Bleach atleast try something a bit different. Isekai works in pretty much every area and every Tag even it can combo with Shounen. Yes, Isekai is like a stylish plate that you can put any food in it while Shounen is the actual food itself. Isekai got stylish points. And also it is quite relatable. Yes, there are many Unique Shounen like DBZ and One Piece. Isekai doesn’t have much restrictions at all when it comes to its theme. Which actually very good for those who want to write a story based on Fantasy world but you want to keep it simple knowledge of the world that you lived in as well.
I just enjoy both of them theyre both animes anyways
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I agree but kinda disagree, Most Battle Shonen's are published in official magazines where you have to have a certain standard of quality, so while you get a lot of Battle Shonen that are kinda okey or mid, on the whole you don't get many that are dumpster fires, most Isekei's nowadays are light novels adapted from web novels, and web novels are often uploaded to the equivalent of Wattpad or a fanfiction site, so there isn't a standard of quality. You can get amazing masterpieces all the way to the lowest of trash fan fiction.
Plus a lot of people just get burned out on Iseki due to how many are released. Add to that its often mixed with the Harem genre, which more often than not is basically pandering with a few exceptions and you can understand why people tend to hate on Isekai.
BTW plenty of anime Elitist hate on Shonen as well, just saying. For being typical Monomyth Hero's Journey coming of age narratives with a wide eyed idealistic protagonist as oppose to being some Avant garde subversive art house work.
P.S Technically K-On! is Seinen.
I've said that pretty clearly in the video though. Right near the start I state that the intro to the video is more so to prove the point that generalizing genres/subgenres/demographics/etc doesn't make much sense when put into it's proper context, and I even say that about shonen, there are many many elitists with the mindset of "seinen > shonen", as I said, it happens to every genre/demographic to varying degrees.
The general point of the video, as stated in it, is that blanket generalizations tend to lack sufficient context for them to have any sort of merit whatsoever.
And when it comes to your point about burnout, I address that as well. How the amount and popularity of Isekai by themselves lead people to have a negative perception of it.
And Isekai anime don't get adapted from web novels. They get adapted from light novels, which were adapted from web novels. So there is a similar selection process to that of manga, as only the best web novels get adapted into light novels in the first place.
Not even technically, k-on is seinen, again showing how easy it is to show contradictions in these generalizations of genre and demographic. Thanks for the comment!
What "amazing masterpieces"? At least Isekai can release tonnes and tonnes of good animes. For Shounen we have to wait years to get a good shounen anime so what's your point??? The only shounen animes that are ongoing is One Piece and Demon Slayer. Honestly, they both suck right now. And Demon Slayer has always been terrible. And some of the shounen fans are waiting for trash animes like Bleach? Lmaoooooo 😂😂😂😂😂
@@theraikouemp4ror997 I never mentioned "amazing masterpieces" also Demon Slayer Manga is over. If you're talking about the anime bleach started back up, Attack on Titan, Chainsaw Man, Jujitsu Kaisen are all still ongoing as well.
Not sure what your arguing against in your rant
I would rather watch mid isekai anime than mid shonen anime.
Makes sense.
You did not use Shield Hero as an example of good Isekai LOL
But generally, I guess it's just to make a point, esp with it being so popular
Yeah I'm not that big on shield hero, or a few others I said for that matter.
That first section was meant to be me acting very biased, to show how some people act regarding generalizing genres. My bad if it didn't come across cleary enough 💀
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Isekai is generic whereas shonen Is emotional deal with it
I think you missed the point entirely... -_-
@@Ayvhel nah man. Isekai is mid. Just simps getting op from seeing boob action really
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More like shonen is generic same stupid mc who thinks punching things can somehow work
Mc who don't have brain
Same fatherless backstory
Same sad backstory
Then somehow get stronger just cuz their friends got hurt
And can somehow get everything fix without a reason
If this is not generic i don't know what is😊
@@eugeneabatayo3383and often getting hit by women Luffy, Naruto and Goku.
i do generalize isekai because most of them that are coming out in the recent time are all trash.
They do the same thing all over again and do not even improve. They just waste their potential on garbage like these.
And i even find Slime the same as a normal garbage isekai. Its not different but you people somehow ended up liking it despite it not being different in any way than other isekai (trash isekai, Shield hero and the rest what you mentioned not included).
I agree that most Isekai suck. And honestly, I'm not that big on slime, I'd say it's above average. But the reason I don't think we should be singling isekai out (or any other genre) , is because so are most anime.
Most romance anime aren't good. Most battle shonen aren't good. Most slice of life aren't good. And so on. The difference to me is that we get so many more Isekai, and the bad ones still get popular.
That was my point, I hope I got it across better this time.
@@Ayvhel pretty much understandable. My view on the difference between bad battleshonen and bad isekai is, that isekai always do the same thing all over again.
While battleshonen try to go a bit different route, but fail to do so. For example Magmell Of The Blue Sea, it was very unique, but it failed. Or Big Order, i cant recall what the anime was truly about, but it was totally different from what i saw so far. And ? it failed it wasnt good.
On the side of the isekai there are many examples that are just the same but with different character designs. And sadly it gets worse with time because these mangaka do copy each other and draw the same exact thing to us to show.....
but for our sake, there are SOME that outclass these, like the examples you mentioned. But in comparsion, isekai is just the worse genre.
@@Ayvhel and yeah slice of life and romance is just like isekai, but with the difference that it is hard to make a unique story in these genres. Even if we talk about real life series or movies, romance and slice of life do end up the same and have a very very similiar route to the end.
Most of the isekai, and i am sure around 80% have many ways to present the story for us, and making it unique. But they dont use the potential what resides within...
I think isekai is good and so is shounen
Based.
@@AyvhelI'm curious; Does The Ancient Magus, Bride count as, Shounen animanga?
Lots of people like Spider Isekai though...
Never said they didn't, I said that Isekai that are not the most well received are still popular.
banger
Thank you 🙏
shield hero?
My bad. Tate no yuusha.
I love both but shounen battle amazing than isekai
Isekai is still shit animes boring plot overpowered mcs mid asf
sure sure
Me looking at kazuma and Subaru are you sure about that
Sure bro. Having a Gojo pfp makes reallll sense.
fair point but i gonna give a hot take as of now which has nothing to do with this video, Mushoku Tensei is garbage, not because of the plot but due to its "fan service" which consists of a 30 year man in a ten to fiveteen year old body perving for underage children, I dont care if the demon queen is 1000 years old, she is still in like 8 year old body and the main girl is like fiveteen FYI: You sound creepy as hell if you justify it by saying there in another world legal age is diffrent...'yea its fiction so it techniqe does count as child" bro anyone who says that should go join Chris when he gets convicted. I had to take a 3 month break after I saw the ship scene, and only started again because I kept telling myself it not as bad as i thought. Which is not true. I was 17 at the time of watching it. I realize writing this does not matter but good way to relieve stress.
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