I think deathblight should have been similar to the zombie status effect from Final Fantasy, where healing sources now deal damage to anything afflicted to it, as well as giving a holy weakness (which might actually make the eclipse shovel somewhat good)
This is the greatest deathblight rework idea I’ve ever heard! This also buffs holy damage AND healing spells, two things that also needed something more to make them more viable. And this makes so much sense as enemies who live in death have these weaknesses.
On lower levels it can be more advantageous to do the Fire Frost combo as it does more burst damage at early levels, also you could always use Bloodflame Blade lul
Resetting frost is actually somewhat viable at higher NG+ cycles, when enemy HP buffs get out of hand to the point a frost proc really IS more than you can probably deal in bonus damage. Bit indeed, you absolutely shouldn't deliberately be trying to do this in normal gameplay
Honestly, it's not worth it. First of all, you lose a lot of physical damage simply by having that infusion, in contrast to the occult infusion. Secondly, due to the rate at which deadly poison runs out, you can continuously proc the kindred of rot exultation, resulting in near-permanent +20% damage (which isn't possible with the poison infusion). You lose all those benefits just for a bit more poison duration with the poison affinity
Rusty was telling us since launch that fire resets frost so id put the origin on him hahaha. The debuff is why bleed/frost is arguably the strongest build in the game
if you can proc fast enough you can do more damage resetting/reprocing than you can with the extra 20% damage while it's active. Let me solo her uses hoarfrost stomp and bloodflame to do the same. it depends on the build and how fast you can proc it.
i commented this on a different video but no one ever saw the comment so ima share it here: i think a cool deathblight rework that would allow it to work on normal enemies, be unique, but not too broken, would be to have death blight kinda work as a secondary posture system where the roots entrap an enemy when the meter gets full and allow for a riposte or a big charged heavy or whatever. this would allow it to work on normal enemies in a way that isnt overpowered and it could still work normally on npc enemies and i think it sounds fun im sure fromsoft wouldnt make this change at this point so im not tryna rally the troops and get people to advocate for this i just think itd be cool
Sounds too broken. Jmp atk Jmp atk jmp atk status effect. Free charge heavy Stance break reposte charge heavy. Game would be too easy but I like where your headed
@@timothymoore2966it wouldn't be overpowered compared to lots of other things in the game. that effect would essentially be the same as sleep. besides, elden ring just is easy for a soulsborne game
One huge advantage of frostbite is also the lack of equipment investment. You don't need a special helmet, nor a special talisman. It just works, boom.
Your logic makes no sense. How is frost not having equipment that can boost it a good thing. The blood talisman and helmet just boost the users overall damage after procing bleed, it doesn't make bleed stronger lmao.
@@samhardy3357 They're comparing it so something like poison, where to get a major benefit you need to build for it (Talisman, Armor, AoW, etc). With Frostbite, once it's applied then you have the bonus damage without having to have used any equipment slots. Obviously having a frostbite equivalent to what bleed gets would he a benefit, but it is already a strong effect at baseline.
Theres a third poison type, the Poison Spraymist item has a Poison that's STRONGER than the Scarlet Rot weapons but weaker than the spells, it also lasts 30 seconds. Not only that it procs quite quickly, it may have low bbuildup per tick, how it last 7 seconds and each second has 5 ticks of buildup. While Arcane makes them better, they're still quite good with base Arcane. Also if I'm remembering correctly the Poisonous Mist Ash of War buffs your weapon with Deadly Poison as well as the cloud it spawns.
The only use for madness in pve outside of the few enemies susceptible to it is the black dumpling, which gives a damage boost when madness procs in your vicinity. I find this is more reliable as a buff setup than poison is because madness isn’t a DOT effect like poison
3:26 farming for Trina lily’s is fairly easy. Behind Aposté Derelict there’s about 5 jellyfish that’ll drop them. You can get about 7 each pass through without any fowled foots. Regardless sleep is underwhelming, I learned that the hard way
Also if you use the Chilling Mist Ash of War on it you get healing from enemies that stand in the cloud it spawns, regardless of if they can be Frostbitten or not. This also applies to the Butchering Knife and Poisonous Mist Ash of War.
Frost resetting does make sense. The two playstyles end up about equal, depending on the amount of frost proccs you gain. If it nets you two more proccs during the fight, it's equal/worth it. You can't build up new frostbite while the enemy has the debuff. You shouldn't be too worried about the frost resist increase, because the enemy will typically die before it gets too high, as long as you're dealing significant damage outside frost. And if you're not dealing significant damage outside of frost... then obviously that devalues +20% modifier on that damage as well. The key tradeoff is dealing 20% more dmg with your swings or building up to cut a little over 7% of the boss hp. Two extra proccs will deal 14-15% of the boss hp. If you dealt +20% damage with ALL your hits then that would effectively require you to only deal 83.3% of the boss hp (so 'removing' 16.7%) This ends up about equal because you're not actually getting that +20% for every hit against the boss. I did a practical test of this against Radagon and ended up with similar clear times.
Frost is great for close range too, especially with dex builds focused on landing a lot of hits in a short amount of time. My first build I beat the game with was a dual frost katana mage build with winged sword insignia and millicent's prosthesis. It required a lot of good timing, and I messed it up a lot. But when I learned all of the right punish windows and took advantage of them consistently enough, even the beefiest of boss health bars just got absolutely shredded. I still remember how my solo fight with Starscourge Radahn ended. I had like one or two crimson flasks left and he still had about a fourth of his health left and wouldn't stop throwing rocks and gravity shockwaves all over the place. But while I was panic-spamming L1, I somehow got lucky and procced frost and bleed at the same time, deleting the rest of his health bar and defeating him on the spot. It was the craziest moment I've ever had in any of these games.
Str/Int build. Heavy Morningstar with Blood Grease. Freezing Mist at the beginning of the Bossfight. Throw in some Icerags or Moonblades to proc and then strike em to death with the Morningstar. Sounds like a chaotic mix, but it works.
I know you do lose out with split damage, but admittedly builds with multiple statues effects are really fun. Bloody Great Stars & Frost Rotten Battle Hammer was just all around fun to use. Thinking going rapier next Also yeah a friend of mine's first build was a low vigor fire and ice build It was so adorable! Don't worry though they eventually learned, they're doing a lot better now
Probably had the most fun in pvp with my Arcane build which made use of these. I started off with a twinblade which would inflict frost, then switch to my dual rapiers one of which inflicted poison the other scarlet rot. Finally once fully infected I finished them off with dual blood whips.
You would probably be better off just specializing with one or two status effects. If the dude your fighting lets your proc every status effect then he deserves to loseXD I get the idea it sounds cool tho
@@samhardy3357 You'd be surprised just how fast those procs hit with high enough arcane and it also differs on weapon. Frost and poison procs very fast sometimes just a few hits but rot and bleed takes longer.
Only content creator, (that I have heard, so I apologise in advance to whomever discussed it as well) that completely debunks the fire-after-frost 'discovery'. And it makes perfect sense. Doin it just defeats the purpose. I enjoy your content for how professional, no nonsensical, straight to the point and competent truly is. Max respect and gratitude for your dedication and your hard work (on top of RL). So I whsh a Happy New Year to you and your loved ones, and we badly need more people like you rather than that 99.9% of braggers, sensationalists and downright ignorant content spammers on this platform, who are undeservedly 'famous' but bring nothing to the table while pretending to be 'teaching' while actually managing to misinform by sheer incompetence. Way too many. I do hope the new year will bring you a truckload of viewers, subbers ect ASAP. You've more than earned it. I can't stand those abysmal content 'creators' managing to get a huge revenue off of crappy info. It says a lot about the majority of YT viewers/Soulsborne plyers. But such is life I guess. Otherwise it d be heaven onEarth... So yes indeed, a giant crushing, royally knightly resolved Thank You.
Also thanks for telling people not to do the frost reset build. It's overall a terrible Idea. People would often point to "Let me solo her" and how he apparently uses Rivers and a Cold Uchi but like Malenia has both very low bleed and very low frost resist so, regardless if it's better than not resetting frost, the reset build works better on her than other enemies. I think you generally have to do more than 6000 dpm against malenia to make the frost debuff more useful than frost resetting but damage that low probably happens if your not using buffs so I guess frost resetting is optimal for the people who use it.
No, let me solo her was not the one to do it and wasn’t the only one who knew about it in during the time slightly after release of the game. Idk why yall are trying to tell people not to do it but it definitely works effectively. I wouldn’t best the entire game if that were the case.
The point is that just using the frost debuff to do 20% more damage is better at higher dps since the frostbite damage is a flat% When it's possible to kill malenia in 1 minute which is like 500 damage per second getting boosted by 20% for at least half the time or an extra 100 dps. This is much faster than relying on the frostbite damage and having to proc it like 4 times as her frost resist goes up. In order for frost resetting to be your best method of damage dealing you have to already have such a low DPS that your either not using buffs for some reason or your not taking your openings/getting hit a bunch
When the game first came out I remembered a lot of people telling me traditional quality(STR/DEX) was dead because the game was all about magic, but that's my favorite build in every fromsoft game. I used off hand cold and main hand fire bandit's curved swords and the build was absolutely insane. Might have been the bandit's curved swords being broken, but resetting and reapplying frost with L1's was a blast, jumping attack was absolutely broken too. Highly recommend claw, ritual sword, milicent's prosthesis, and winged/rotten sword talismans with this build. There aren't many enemies in the game that resist fire/frost damage, but when they do, you can switch to another damage type like lightning, or just go bleed.
So iv done runs across multiple characters doing different rot builds to see whats best and most effective. Ekzykes and Aeonia are clearly the best for incantations but if your looking for a consistent weapon that procs well and quickly i highly recommend the Rotten Duelist hammer with wild strikes. It staggers like crazy, hits hard, procs fast and barely costs fp.
9:30 Or give it Poison infusion to technically triple the damage Also, for me at least Frost Pots are better than weapons. Regular Pot packs a punch, when it comes to inflicting this Status effect.
It triples the duration, not the DPS I get that you're saying triple the duration means triple the damage, and in a bubble you would be correct, but after it expires we just reapply it very quickly
1:53 I feel as if with death blight and madness, it should proc the same way it does for npcs and players but in pve it does something similar to bleed and frostbite, maybe instead of insane damage it does half the damage of bleed and frostbite but significantly debuffs the enemy on top of the damage
poison mist ash of war is also an INCREDIBLE rollcatching tool, almost always hitting a heavy attack on your target while also basically guaranteeding a poison proc
I really don't understand why FromSoftware added Deathblight and Madness just to treat them so badly. I would much rather they focused on making one of them work and save the other for a future game.
I know fire/lightning doesn't have a status effect to proc but I still feel like it should have been included in this list as maybe an bonus extra since it doesn't quite fit the video description. For the DLC I went Fire and Blood powerstanced greatswords (I also switched out the effects for frost or lightning occasionally depending on the enemies I'd be facing)- it made the DLC super easy. I only switched my build for Messmer and Radahn. It was so much fun, I wish I had more time to play ng+ but I have work to do- took a week off to play the DLC, that was barely enough time to get through it! Frost/fire works extremely well, especially for low level builds. If you can proc it fast you get the damage, reset with and build it up again, in the end you can theoretically do more damage re-procing than that 20% damage buff gives you with the right build. Let Me Solo Her uses this sort of build a lot with hoarfrost stomp/bloodflame to keep reprocing. It didn't make sense to me at first either, but it works very well if you can build up frost very quickly.
For the sleep section, you should've briefly spoke about the ripple crescent halberd when talking about sleep weapons. It's technically the best 'sleep weapon' in the game due to its arcane scaling and it also has nice reach since it's a halberd. Unfortunately it's mostly useful in pvp and it requires greases, although if you do have enough and mostly play pvp, the weapon is pretty much a cheat code.
Scarlett Rot is my favorite status effect for pve. It takes no effort to throw a couple rot pots for a free 16% dot. And very few bosses resist or are immune to rot.
Sleep is oppressively strong in pvp. And is by far the strongest status effect you can abuse in terms of both effectiveness and ease of triggering. You simply can't relatable trigger madness with the madness weapons and spells, you still simply kill your opponent if they have boluses before you proc madness.
Finished my first play through of the main game and just got radahn to take care of in dlc and I've used frostbite on majority of my weapons, going to do another playthrough with a bleed build.
I hope, with the DLC close by, that deathblight gets a rework, it could be the opposite of frost, where you get a debuff for atk, rather than defense, and make the deathlightimg infusion, with its scaling being the faith counterpart of cold, it’ll keep the defensive themes of miracles/incantations, and would finally give people a lightning infusion with faith.
I disagree, it's a status effect people shouldn't even be able to use. It's like Avada Kadavra in Hogwarts Legacy, it's either broken or useless with no inbetween as anything less than instadeath would be disapponting, but being able to proc that eccectively would be too op. What you suggest would just be a completely different status.
I think that frost buildup does scale with intelligence on a cold infusion. I use a cold flamberge that has 115 frost buildup with the chilling mist ash of war. Maybe I'm wrong or something.
I think it works like fire and flame art tho, except cold does indeed scale with INT, thus making it a lot stronger than fire (in my opinion). Even if your INT is low, cold still deals high damage. I made several STR based builds and put cold affinity on my weapons, still slaps even though my INT is below 20 or something, leveling INT just further increasing the burst damage. I think cold and fire don't rely much on their respective elements, both have a relatively equal split damage between physical and elemental, while magic and flame art depend too mucn on their elemental properties
this is an extremely hot take but i genuinely fucking despise how absurdly strong status effects are. there is LITERALLY no tradeoff to not using them. they are objectively superior in every situation where they're able to be used
the fire giant has a frenzy stagger animation. I would have loved to see frenzy be a lower damage bleed/frostbite that can stagger bosses no matter how large they are
I just recently decided to switch up my play style from previous souls games and went from a strength to dex build. Doing a frost/bleed build and it has been melting bosses.
I bleed Malenia to death in seconds with fire and bleed. It depends on your stats and play style asw, like I'm a max dex and str and I use dual-wield: curved swords, shorts swords, spears, and even 1 handed Nagakiba. Use proper talismans and buffs for it and you can cheese your way thru in only a couple of hits.
I've always built up as much regular poison as possible with poisonbone darts and land one or two hits with the serpent bone to easily proc the deadly instead of regular. There's a lot of oversight in this game
Proccing frost twice within a 10 second time frame got me the kill on the fire giant. But that dud just has a massive health pool so there the max HP% damage was far more desirable. Aka if you have a slow and tanky build resetting frost is huge. vs fast burst build
Imagine using the sleep sword in one hand and a weapon with death blight in the other and also have spells like blood boon... You could just have them constantly running in terror and if they DO get sleep then you can follow up to build death blight or slap them with instant blood loss ..........
I strongly believe that death blight should be high risk high reward. As in the fact that any weapon you use death blight you should take a considerable amount of damage cause if you want that status affect to activate you have to be good or die over and over again
I feel kind of called out for using the fire and frost buildup strat 😭. My thinking was that if I used two innate bleed swords, then infused on with fire damage and the other with chilling mist, even if the buildup was harder to do each time I could still just proc both continuously. Idk, that’s how I beat malenia.
I think it equals about the same. The main point is that you’re not gaining much by resetting the frostbite proc, so going out of your way to make a build like that is kinda pointless. Bleed is more likely to make an actual difference. As you used two weapons with innate bleed, that kept your DPS viable. But many players only have one weapon with bleed and choose to make the offhand weapon cold rather than bleed, because they think the frost procs are better than going full bleed, which isn’t really true.
Deathblight is basically just Curse from DS1 and you have no way of causing the effect yourself. So they kept this, in my opinion, cool gameplay mechanic in Elden Ring but gave you a way to cause it to other players. It's purposefully bad because as said in the video it's hard to balance and also it's okay to have a build in a game that is explicitly terrible it's about whether you enjoy that build considering more than just it's viability. But since players now have a way of causing it, deathblight gets shitted on as if it's something that needs to be changed. I don't see anyone complaining about not being able to Petrify enemies in DS2.
Nah, ds2 didn’t have a single thing to cause petrification from players, ER has several abilities, and they go as far as making it the gimmick of one of the legendary weapons, which ends up being trash, due to poor optimisation
The ripple weapons have very high arcane work great for sleep (or any build up). Just slap the proper grease or ash of war on and you should get the proc in two hits.
Vyke's spear would be a good weapon by itself if it's skill wasn't bugged. On tall enemies damage procs inconcistantly and on giant ones it does no damage at all. For some reason the blast just doesn't register.
Frostbite is the best by such a huge margin. The fact that it’s impossible to roll the debuff just puts it in a different league from bleed, at least in PvP. A good player can roll their bleed procs, but there’s no escaping the 20% frost debuff from a really aggressive player in a duel with standard latency.
Deathblight is my favorite status effect aesthetically in any game I’ve played, though as stated, it really sucks. One place where I think it could be really cool is spells and ashes of war that are powerful, but apply deathblight or deathblight build up on the cased. Though it would be better if DB was completely reworked to not be horrible to balance in pvp and pve.
Saying this before I even start the video, the best two are scarlet rot and frost is #1. My reasoning is that scarlet rot seems to be the single most reliable status effect while also being generally more powerful than poison. And frost is just the most powerful in my opinion cause it boosts the damage of everything besides fire by 20% which is extremely useful.
@@MennydorgesERArchivecause there’s a ton of bleed resistant or immune enemies and bosses. Bleed is better on bosses but frost is even better than bleed for bosses too. And scarlet rot still adds an indefinite amount of damage between hits. If you proc rot once then it will usually do 1/3 of the bosses health guaranteed. It makes diminishing returns and just an active playstyle not be completely necessary and something that weighs down the status like bleed does.
The frost reset builds are likely leftovers from Dark Souls 3 where bosses barely got more resistant to it and it only reduced their armor by 5-7% so it wasnt really worth keeping
Hey bro I was planning to build ice and fire dual sword. Fire on one and ice on other. So like you said 11:50 here it’s not a good idea huh. Just looks fun. It make sense the frost buildup will be removed with fire right.
Honestly, madness being ranked as the third worst status effect in this video should be (at least) a small reason why people should just give up on Vike’s war spear (I’m saying this because Vike’s war spear being the only weapon in the game that can build up madness is an incredibly poor excuse to be the best weapon in the game)
They take like 2% of enemy hp over 2s, Black Flame Tornado being the only variant where it stacks with multihit I beleave. Also, destined death temporarily reduces enemy max hp by 10% but it gets regained after 15s.
Madness makes sense why it doesn’t apply on anyone not tarnished. Demigods were born under the erdtree so the greater will has more control. Other beings not so much but that lore detail never bothered me. How strange it does for you.
Madness is the expression of power of the outergod of chaos much like scarlet rot is the same to the outergod of rot. If demigods can get rotted it doesn't make sense as to why they would be immune to madness.
I think deathblight should have been similar to the zombie status effect from Final Fantasy, where healing sources now deal damage to anything afflicted to it, as well as giving a holy weakness (which might actually make the eclipse shovel somewhat good)
shouldve made it so blighted enemies had a chance to drop deathroot bc they legit have it sprouting out their body
This right here would have been the best change
Ironically buffs holy, erdtree heal, and litany of proper death
This is the greatest deathblight rework idea I’ve ever heard! This also buffs holy damage AND healing spells, two things that also needed something more to make them more viable. And this makes so much sense as enemies who live in death have these weaknesses.
that's actually a great idea, damn
Finally someone mentions that if you’re gonna reset frost with fire you might as well just use bleed
bloodflame says "why not both?"
Frost + Bloodflame go BRRRRRRRR
On lower levels it can be more advantageous to do the Fire Frost combo as it does more burst damage at early levels, also you could always use Bloodflame Blade lul
Resetting frost is actually somewhat viable at higher NG+ cycles, when enemy HP buffs get out of hand to the point a frost proc really IS more than you can probably deal in bonus damage.
Bit indeed, you absolutely shouldn't deliberately be trying to do this in normal gameplay
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 of course its viable anything is. Doesn't mean it's good, bleed is better if you are focusing on just the proc on any NG+
You can give the venomous fang poison affinity to increase deadly poison duration to 90
If the devs see this, poison builds are going to die.
@@redbirb1571the Devs made it that way on purpose
Honestly, it's not worth it. First of all, you lose a lot of physical damage simply by having that infusion, in contrast to the occult infusion. Secondly, due to the rate at which deadly poison runs out, you can continuously proc the kindred of rot exultation, resulting in near-permanent +20% damage (which isn't possible with the poison infusion). You lose all those benefits just for a bit more poison duration with the poison affinity
Bushy always use this method if you seen his videos
You miss on a bunch of physical damage, only worth on a RL1 and/or +0 weapon challenge
Rusty was telling us since launch that fire resets frost so id put the origin on him hahaha. The debuff is why bleed/frost is arguably the strongest build in the game
11:45 FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THAT
The folks that recommended resetting Frost clearly had a skill issue with hitting enemies while they remained frostbitten.
if you can proc fast enough you can do more damage resetting/reprocing than you can with the extra 20% damage while it's active. Let me solo her uses hoarfrost stomp and bloodflame to do the same. it depends on the build and how fast you can proc it.
@@Chaos_God_of_Fate No he does not, he just dual wields a Cold Uchigatana and the Rivers of Blood.
@@TheTraveler980 Rivers of Blood is a bloodflame weapon lol
@@megabumbusta2746 Technically, yeah.
i commented this on a different video but no one ever saw the comment so ima share it here:
i think a cool deathblight rework that would allow it to work on normal enemies, be unique, but not too broken, would be to have death blight kinda work as a secondary posture system where the roots entrap an enemy when the meter gets full and allow for a riposte or a big charged heavy or whatever. this would allow it to work on normal enemies in a way that isnt overpowered and it could still work normally on npc enemies and i think it sounds fun im sure fromsoft wouldnt make this change at this point so im not tryna rally the troops and get people to advocate for this i just think itd be cool
That's really interesting!
Sounds too broken. Jmp atk Jmp atk jmp atk status effect. Free charge heavy Stance break reposte charge heavy. Game would be too easy but I like where your headed
To be fair, considering how much other broken shit there is, i can totally see this working@@timothymoore2966
@@timothymoore2966it wouldn't be overpowered compared to lots of other things in the game. that effect would essentially be the same as sleep. besides, elden ring just is easy for a soulsborne game
Good idea
One huge advantage of frostbite is also the lack of equipment investment. You don't need a special helmet, nor a special talisman. It just works, boom.
You say it's an advantage but I'd say it's a disadvantage that there is no gear that boosts frostbite, or increases your damage if you proc frostbite
@@skellymen2395 the 20% debuff is already boosting ALL of your damage on frostbite, you don't need any more gear
@@burningknight7but I WANT it
Your logic makes no sense. How is frost not having equipment that can boost it a good thing. The blood talisman and helmet just boost the users overall damage after procing bleed, it doesn't make bleed stronger lmao.
@@samhardy3357 They're comparing it so something like poison, where to get a major benefit you need to build for it (Talisman, Armor, AoW, etc). With Frostbite, once it's applied then you have the bonus damage without having to have used any equipment slots.
Obviously having a frostbite equivalent to what bleed gets would he a benefit, but it is already a strong effect at baseline.
Theres a third poison type, the Poison Spraymist item has a Poison that's STRONGER than the Scarlet Rot weapons but weaker than the spells, it also lasts 30 seconds.
Not only that it procs quite quickly, it may have low bbuildup per tick, how it last 7 seconds and each second has 5 ticks of buildup. While Arcane makes them better, they're still quite good with base Arcane.
Also if I'm remembering correctly the Poisonous Mist Ash of War buffs your weapon with Deadly Poison as well as the cloud it spawns.
does this poison stack with slow/fast poison?
@@rod4309no, it's still poison, just deals more damage.
The only use for madness in pve outside of the few enemies susceptible to it is the black dumpling, which gives a damage boost when madness procs in your vicinity. I find this is more reliable as a buff setup than poison is because madness isn’t a DOT effect like poison
Finally, somebody with the same opinion I have about removing frost and reapplying it...
3:26 farming for Trina lily’s is fairly easy. Behind Aposté Derelict there’s about 5 jellyfish that’ll drop them. You can get about 7 each pass through without any fowled foots. Regardless sleep is underwhelming, I learned that the hard way
Hundreds of hours on this game and just now discovered that the frozen needle is a weapon in the game
3:06 thers also the ripple blade and the ripple cresent halberd with sleep grease and they have high sleep buildup
Farming for Trina's Lilies sucks.
Last run I played a strength build with the cold infused great star, and having both a frost and bleed build was unreal powerful
Also if you use the Chilling Mist Ash of War on it you get healing from enemies that stand in the cloud it spawns, regardless of if they can be Frostbitten or not. This also applies to the Butchering Knife and Poisonous Mist Ash of War.
Frost resetting does make sense. The two playstyles end up about equal, depending on the amount of frost proccs you gain. If it nets you two more proccs during the fight, it's equal/worth it. You can't build up new frostbite while the enemy has the debuff.
You shouldn't be too worried about the frost resist increase, because the enemy will typically die before it gets too high, as long as you're dealing significant damage outside frost. And if you're not dealing significant damage outside of frost... then obviously that devalues +20% modifier on that damage as well.
The key tradeoff is dealing 20% more dmg with your swings or building up to cut a little over 7% of the boss hp.
Two extra proccs will deal 14-15% of the boss hp.
If you dealt +20% damage with ALL your hits then that would effectively require you to only deal 83.3% of the boss hp (so 'removing' 16.7%)
This ends up about equal because you're not actually getting that +20% for every hit against the boss.
I did a practical test of this against Radagon and ended up with similar clear times.
Frost is great for close range too, especially with dex builds focused on landing a lot of hits in a short amount of time. My first build I beat the game with was a dual frost katana mage build with winged sword insignia and millicent's prosthesis. It required a lot of good timing, and I messed it up a lot. But when I learned all of the right punish windows and took advantage of them consistently enough, even the beefiest of boss health bars just got absolutely shredded.
I still remember how my solo fight with Starscourge Radahn ended. I had like one or two crimson flasks left and he still had about a fourth of his health left and wouldn't stop throwing rocks and gravity shockwaves all over the place. But while I was panic-spamming L1, I somehow got lucky and procced frost and bleed at the same time, deleting the rest of his health bar and defeating him on the spot. It was the craziest moment I've ever had in any of these games.
Str/Int build. Heavy Morningstar with Blood Grease. Freezing Mist at the beginning of the Bossfight. Throw in some Icerags or Moonblades to proc and then strike em to death with the Morningstar. Sounds like a chaotic mix, but it works.
I know you do lose out with split damage, but admittedly builds with multiple statues effects are really fun. Bloody Great Stars & Frost Rotten Battle Hammer was just all around fun to use. Thinking going rapier next
Also yeah a friend of mine's first build was a low vigor fire and ice build
It was so adorable! Don't worry though they eventually learned, they're doing a lot better now
death blight should have bean treated as a way to deal damage to a separate healthbar that ignores healing but automaticaly goes down over time
I'm from the future. Deadblight still trash
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Probably had the most fun in pvp with my Arcane build which made use of these. I started off with a twinblade which would inflict frost, then switch to my dual rapiers one of which inflicted poison the other scarlet rot. Finally once fully infected I finished them off with dual blood whips.
You would probably be better off just specializing with one or two status effects. If the dude your fighting lets your proc every status effect then he deserves to loseXD I get the idea it sounds cool tho
@@samhardy3357 You'd be surprised just how fast those procs hit with high enough arcane and it also differs on weapon. Frost and poison procs very fast sometimes just a few hits but rot and bleed takes longer.
Only content creator, (that I have heard, so I apologise in advance to whomever discussed it as well) that completely debunks the fire-after-frost 'discovery'. And it makes perfect sense. Doin it just defeats the purpose.
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Also thanks for telling people not to do the frost reset build.
It's overall a terrible Idea. People would often point to "Let me solo her" and how he apparently uses Rivers and a Cold Uchi but like Malenia has both very low bleed and very low frost resist so, regardless if it's better than not resetting frost, the reset build works better on her than other enemies.
I think you generally have to do more than 6000 dpm against malenia to make the frost debuff more useful than frost resetting but damage that low probably happens if your not using buffs so I guess frost resetting is optimal for the people who use it.
No, let me solo her was not the one to do it and wasn’t the only one who knew about it in during the time slightly after release of the game. Idk why yall are trying to tell people not to do it but it definitely works effectively. I wouldn’t best the entire game if that were the case.
The point is that just using the frost debuff to do 20% more damage is better at higher dps since the frostbite damage is a flat%
When it's possible to kill malenia in 1 minute which is like 500 damage per second getting boosted by 20% for at least half the time or an extra 100 dps. This is much faster than relying on the frostbite damage and having to proc it like 4 times as her frost resist goes up. In order for frost resetting to be your best method of damage dealing you have to already have such a low DPS that your either not using buffs for some reason or your not taking your openings/getting hit a bunch
When the game first came out I remembered a lot of people telling me traditional quality(STR/DEX) was dead because the game was all about magic, but that's my favorite build in every fromsoft game. I used off hand cold and main hand fire bandit's curved swords and the build was absolutely insane. Might have been the bandit's curved swords being broken, but resetting and reapplying frost with L1's was a blast, jumping attack was absolutely broken too. Highly recommend claw, ritual sword, milicent's prosthesis, and winged/rotten sword talismans with this build. There aren't many enemies in the game that resist fire/frost damage, but when they do, you can switch to another damage type like lightning, or just go bleed.
So iv done runs across multiple characters doing different rot builds to see whats best and most effective. Ekzykes and Aeonia are clearly the best for incantations but if your looking for a consistent weapon that procs well and quickly i highly recommend the Rotten Duelist hammer with wild strikes. It staggers like crazy, hits hard, procs fast and barely costs fp.
Spears are pretty good also
Bleed is objectively the best as far as dps goes. Frost is much more fun though
9:30 Or give it Poison infusion to technically triple the damage
Also, for me at least Frost Pots are better than weapons. Regular Pot packs a punch, when it comes to inflicting this Status effect.
Agreed. I always carry frost pots compared to frost spells/incantations.
It triples the duration, not the DPS
I get that you're saying triple the duration means triple the damage, and in a bubble you would be correct, but after it expires we just reapply it very quickly
1:53 I feel as if with death blight and madness, it should proc the same way it does for npcs and players but in pve it does something similar to bleed and frostbite, maybe instead of insane damage it does half the damage of bleed and frostbite but significantly debuffs the enemy on top of the damage
poison mist ash of war is also an INCREDIBLE rollcatching tool, almost always hitting a heavy attack on your target while also basically guaranteeding a poison proc
I really don't understand why FromSoftware added Deathblight and Madness just to treat them so badly. I would much rather they focused on making one of them work and save the other for a future game.
8:33 Poison Moth Flight also does deadly poison if the enemy is not already inflicted, it's still one of the worst ashes...
Ive being playing elden ring for like a year and never even heard of fetid pods
they are basically the equivalent to dung pies in souls games
I know fire/lightning doesn't have a status effect to proc but I still feel like it should have been included in this list as maybe an bonus extra since it doesn't quite fit the video description. For the DLC I went Fire and Blood powerstanced greatswords (I also switched out the effects for frost or lightning occasionally depending on the enemies I'd be facing)- it made the DLC super easy. I only switched my build for Messmer and Radahn. It was so much fun, I wish I had more time to play ng+ but I have work to do- took a week off to play the DLC, that was barely enough time to get through it!
Frost/fire works extremely well, especially for low level builds. If you can proc it fast you get the damage, reset with and build it up again, in the end you can theoretically do more damage re-procing than that 20% damage buff gives you with the right build. Let Me Solo Her uses this sort of build a lot with hoarfrost stomp/bloodflame to keep reprocing. It didn't make sense to me at first either, but it works very well if you can build up frost very quickly.
For the sleep section, you should've briefly spoke about the ripple crescent halberd when talking about sleep weapons. It's technically the best 'sleep weapon' in the game due to its arcane scaling and it also has nice reach since it's a halberd. Unfortunately it's mostly useful in pvp and it requires greases, although if you do have enough and mostly play pvp, the weapon is pretty much a cheat code.
Great video!! Thanks!
Scarlett Rot is my favorite status effect for pve. It takes no effort to throw a couple rot pots for a free 16% dot. And very few bosses resist or are immune to rot.
Sleep is oppressively strong in pvp. And is by far the strongest status effect you can abuse in terms of both effectiveness and ease of triggering. You simply can't relatable trigger madness with the madness weapons and spells, you still simply kill your opponent if they have boluses before you proc madness.
Finished my first play through of the main game and just got radahn to take care of in dlc and I've used frostbite on majority of my weapons, going to do another playthrough with a bleed build.
Scarlet Aoinia can end some fights before they begin.
Heh
Does it realy matter beside NG+?
It comes so late in the Game i dont know if its realy worth for the last 4-5 Bosses.
I hope, with the DLC close by, that deathblight gets a rework, it could be the opposite of frost, where you get a debuff for atk, rather than defense, and make the deathlightimg infusion, with its scaling being the faith counterpart of cold, it’ll keep the defensive themes of miracles/incantations, and would finally give people a lightning infusion with faith.
Totally! I agree I on everything you said.
I disagree, it's a status effect people shouldn't even be able to use. It's like Avada Kadavra in Hogwarts Legacy, it's either broken or useless with no inbetween as anything less than instadeath would be disapponting, but being able to proc that eccectively would be too op.
What you suggest would just be a completely different status.
Whats the last Ash of War he uses on the Death Poker against Radagon near the end of the video?
I think that frost buildup does scale with intelligence on a cold infusion. I use a cold flamberge that has 115 frost buildup with the chilling mist ash of war. Maybe I'm wrong or something.
I think it works like fire and flame art tho, except cold does indeed scale with INT, thus making it a lot stronger than fire (in my opinion). Even if your INT is low, cold still deals high damage. I made several STR based builds and put cold affinity on my weapons, still slaps even though my INT is below 20 or something, leveling INT just further increasing the burst damage.
I think cold and fire don't rely much on their respective elements, both have a relatively equal split damage between physical and elemental, while magic and flame art depend too mucn on their elemental properties
this is an extremely hot take but i genuinely fucking despise how absurdly strong status effects are. there is LITERALLY no tradeoff to not using them. they are objectively superior in every situation where they're able to be used
You are sacrificing AR scalings for status effect
the fire giant has a frenzy stagger animation. I would have loved to see frenzy be a lower damage bleed/frostbite that can stagger bosses no matter how large they are
I just recently decided to switch up my play style from previous souls games and went from a strength to dex build. Doing a frost/bleed build and it has been melting bosses.
I bleed Malenia to death in seconds with fire and bleed. It depends on your stats and play style asw, like I'm a max dex and str and I use dual-wield: curved swords, shorts swords, spears, and even 1 handed Nagakiba. Use proper talismans and buffs for it and you can cheese your way thru in only a couple of hits.
I've always built up as much regular poison as possible with poisonbone darts and land one or two hits with the serpent bone to easily proc the deadly instead of regular. There's a lot of oversight in this game
Proccing frost twice within a 10 second time frame got me the kill on the fire giant. But that dud just has a massive health pool so there the max HP% damage was far more desirable.
Aka if you have a slow and tanky build resetting frost is huge. vs fast burst build
7:30
Rot does scale, no there's no rot infusion but if you take a rot weapon and give it any arcane infusion the rot will scale.
love my scarlet rot. Rot breath was my bread and butter for most of the game. proc it on a boss, then hang back and chuck black flame.
Thank you for ending the bleed vs frost debate literally the same
Imagine using the sleep sword in one hand and a weapon with death blight in the other and also have spells like blood boon... You could just have them constantly running in terror and if they DO get sleep then you can follow up to build death blight or slap them with instant blood loss ..........
Scarlett rot, Madness, and sleep are the most underwhelming status effects in the game, and I wish they weren't.
Wtf rot breaks half the game
I strongly believe that death blight should be high risk high reward. As in the fact that any weapon you use death blight you should take a considerable amount of damage cause if you want that status affect to activate you have to be good or die over and over again
I feel kind of called out for using the fire and frost buildup strat 😭. My thinking was that if I used two innate bleed swords, then infused on with fire damage and the other with chilling mist, even if the buildup was harder to do each time I could still just proc both continuously. Idk, that’s how I beat malenia.
I think it equals about the same. The main point is that you’re not gaining much by resetting the frostbite proc, so going out of your way to make a build like that is kinda pointless. Bleed is more likely to make an actual difference. As you used two weapons with innate bleed, that kept your DPS viable. But many players only have one weapon with bleed and choose to make the offhand weapon cold rather than bleed, because they think the frost procs are better than going full bleed, which isn’t really true.
Deathblight is basically just Curse from DS1 and you have no way of causing the effect yourself. So they kept this, in my opinion, cool gameplay mechanic in Elden Ring but gave you a way to cause it to other players. It's purposefully bad because as said in the video it's hard to balance and also it's okay to have a build in a game that is explicitly terrible it's about whether you enjoy that build considering more than just it's viability. But since players now have a way of causing it, deathblight gets shitted on as if it's something that needs to be changed. I don't see anyone complaining about not being able to Petrify enemies in DS2.
Nobody plays ds2
Nah, ds2 didn’t have a single thing to cause petrification from players, ER has several abilities, and they go as far as making it the gimmick of one of the legendary weapons, which ends up being trash, due to poor optimisation
Bleed, Rot and Frost S tier for PvE. Madness and Sleep S tier for PvP
3:30 Magma damage is even worse, Eruption is str, Magma Blade and Magma Wyrm sword are faith, magma sorceries require int, magma breaths require arc.
The Elden beast is laughing at this video I want you to know that
I'll have to make a frost build sometime when I get back to this game. Probably in a year or 2
Naw disagree with Scarlet Rot being lower than Deadly Poison.
Again, more HP gets ticked away.
I mean if we're including deadly poison as it's own. Why not super scarlet rot from Scarlet Aeonia?
The ripple weapons have very high arcane work great for sleep (or any build up). Just slap the proper grease or ash of war on and you should get the proc in two hits.
If Deathblight procced on pve enemies and had a few more sources, it would be amazing
I just hope you put both sleep and death very low because I just had an idea following the vid I'm making right
Rusty is punching air resetting frostbite is his favorite
I'm all for the none status effect black flame HP drain that's nice & consistently a % of max HP based.
Death Blight works just fine...on me.
6:57 oh, that’s nice
They added something called eternal sleep in the dlc
The reason people would reset frost is because when frost is procced intially- the enemy takes % max health damage.
Vyke's spear would be a good weapon by itself if it's skill wasn't bugged. On tall enemies damage procs inconcistantly and on giant ones it does no damage at all. For some reason the blast just doesn't register.
The coil shield is hella dope
in the DLC, are there any scarlet rot sources that give the stronger version (like the scarlet aeonia spell did)?
Frostbite is the best by such a huge margin. The fact that it’s impossible to roll the debuff just puts it in a different league from bleed, at least in PvP. A good player can roll their bleed procs, but there’s no escaping the 20% frost debuff from a really aggressive player in a duel with standard latency.
The bleed user also gets the damage bonus from the talisman and the white mask.
Deathblight is my favorite status effect aesthetically in any game I’ve played, though as stated, it really sucks. One place where I think it could be really cool is spells and ashes of war that are powerful, but apply deathblight or deathblight build up on the cased. Though it would be better if DB was completely reworked to not be horrible to balance in pvp and pve.
Does poison damage prevent enemy poise bar from regenerating?
“ any enemies that stand inside the most long enough to be procted with death blight deserved to be procted with death blight”😂
Saying this before I even start the video, the best two are scarlet rot and frost is #1.
My reasoning is that scarlet rot seems to be the single most reliable status effect while also being generally more powerful than poison. And frost is just the most powerful in my opinion cause it boosts the damage of everything besides fire by 20% which is extremely useful.
Dude what game are you playing
Scarlet rot has its use, but what’s the point of waiting the DoT, if you can bleed them to death quickly?
@@MennydorgesERArchivecause there’s a ton of bleed resistant or immune enemies and bosses. Bleed is better on bosses but frost is even better than bleed for bosses too. And scarlet rot still adds an indefinite amount of damage between hits. If you proc rot once then it will usually do 1/3 of the bosses health guaranteed. It makes diminishing returns and just an active playstyle not be completely necessary and something that weighs down the status like bleed does.
@@timothymoore2966give reasoning instead of being vague. There’s no argument here.
I wanna see you rank consumables some day. 😈
The frost reset builds are likely leftovers from Dark Souls 3 where bosses barely got more resistant to it and it only reduced their armor by 5-7% so it wasnt really worth keeping
death blight is just there for lore reasons
If you proc frostbite and then add poison, does poison and poison moth flight do more damage?
The percentile damage of those effects always stay the same
cant you get scarelt rot arcane scaling by applying scarlet rot grease to a weapon with innate arcane scaling? Or is that not a thing?
Does the frost debuff makes enemy take more dmg from poison and rot?
I had no idea Arcane correlates to more successful bleed proc?
Hey bro I was planning to build ice and fire dual sword. Fire on one and ice on other. So like you said 11:50 here it’s not a good idea huh. Just looks fun. It make sense the frost buildup will be removed with fire right.
you can get infinte trinas lilys just pick them up from the ground and rest at a bonfire
Bleed has the highest amount of applicable bosses and targets in the game that are susceptible to the status effect
Honestly, madness being ranked as the third worst status effect in this video should be (at least) a small reason why people should just give up on Vike’s war spear (I’m saying this because Vike’s war spear being the only weapon in the game that can build up madness is an incredibly poor excuse to be the best weapon in the game)
I think that in the dlc will come more death blight, sleep, madness and scarlet rot itens
You have a weapon ranking based on aesthetics?
can anyone explain how destined death/blackflame effect works?
like the tiny bit of hp it takes over time
They take like 2% of enemy hp over 2s, Black Flame Tornado being the only variant where it stacks with multihit I beleave. Also, destined death temporarily reduces enemy max hp by 10% but it gets regained after 15s.
where do i find these status effects ? im confused 😅
Blindly guessing, I guessed all right EXCEPT I swapped bleed and frost. I feel unreasonably proud
My list
1 Bloodloss
2 Frostbite
3 Rot
4 Frenzy
5 Poison
6 Sleep
7 Deathblight
To be honest the only two I really use regularly is Bleed and Frostbite
Destined Death is top tier for me. I don't know if people consider that a status effect tho
I’m pretty sure Runebears and Crayfish are weak to sleep too, right?
we can only pray for a death blight swamp in the dlc
Madness makes sense why it doesn’t apply on anyone not tarnished. Demigods were born under the erdtree so the greater will has more control. Other beings not so much but that lore detail never bothered me. How strange it does for you.
Madness is the expression of power of the outergod of chaos much like scarlet rot is the same to the outergod of rot. If demigods can get rotted it doesn't make sense as to why they would be immune to madness.
We literally fight rats infested with madness yet rats can't be affected by madness. Of course it bothers someone.