The reason people are running away from QD-OLED is simple. Now, take in mind this is from a guy who has owned both WOLED and currently a Samsung S95C QD-OLED. It's the lack of inky black levels when any type of ambient light hits the screen because of lack of a proper polarizer. MLA WOLED still had this issue as well (however far less noticeable), but with this new four stack designed WOLED, from everything I'm reading, it uses the same polarizer as the C series from LG which has perfect inky black levels in any lighting condition. So now people will see with the LG G5 that you can have increased brightness AND perfect inky black levels, it will be a no brainer to go this route. Samsung also didn't help its case by adding a matte like finish to its S95 series TV lineup, most enthusiast I talk to hate matte and respond with "Glossy for life". Also if you're a gamer, the one connect box is the absolute enemy for high refresh rates and screen black outs Lol.
@@Malinkadinkyup better motion, better HDR tone mapping, far better QC with less failure rates….a lot more advantages beyond just losing to marginally better colors..well either way I’m glad I own 2 tv technologies that seem to be going away 😂 G4 with MLA and older first gen qd oled with the s95b
Honestly though. MiniLED is every single year taking away an "OLED advantage" or minimizing it. Realize that MiniLED has only been a thing for 4 years. This will be the 5th year. But technically it's 4, because most manufacturers didn't get on it until 2021 or so. In that short time span the advances are huge. And the cost to benefit ratio is much greater than OLED. OLED has basically been stagnant in sales for years. Even with these amazing advancements OLED has had as well. This year, viewing angle advantage of OLED is starting to disappear with W-HVA panels and ADS Pro panels. Now even TCL have 23-bit processing, Sony at 22-bit. The gradation of the lights combined with zones and how it minimizes blooming etc. Brightness advantage of miniLED overall. So what's left for OLED. "Micro-contrast" only really noticeable in dark room and small tiny specular highlight brightness. Only really noticeable if OLED sits next to the MiniLED. If a person has a top MiniLED and have lights in their room. 99% of content looks the same as an OLED. Blooming is hard to see in a lit room, that is the few times it is even there. Size. MiniLED is hitting 130" by now. So a 65 to 75" MiniLED is getting cheaper. Imagine another 4 years in advancement with MiniLED. They used to have a few hundred zones. They are hitting 15,000 zones now. And even at just 3,000 zones they are doing miracles. Now with RGB miniLED. They beat even QDOLED in color gamut/volume. Which means they even have an advantage over OLED now. Cost, brightness, no burn in worries, better colours going forward, constantly better contrast/micro-contrast, HDR impact. The fact manufacturers make a much larger profit. It's rough for OLED.
100% incorrect and false. You clearly do not own an Oled, even the most basic panel is superior to the most advanced mini led in several areas. Any text on screen blooms on an LCD Panel and when even looked at a slight angle is horrendously magnified. Oled picture is sharper, better contrast, detail and of course response time and motion. LED are great for large panel cost to performance, but make no mistake there is no consumer friendly tv sold in stores that can compete with something like the Sony QD Oled or Even LG G4
I worked at BestBuy there’s way more mark ups in the QD OLEDs and OLEDS than you guys think. Our employee discounts there was room on the OLEDs. No one mentions all the dog crap TVs Samsung sells at a loss like the TU and CU series. Also they sell the gimmicks like The Frame. Samsung is intentionally not pushing QD OLED by making it Matte. They sell crap tvs. The Frame which is also garbage and the 8Ks they try to push.
@ I haven’t worked there since end of 23. But sounds like good deals. Either way. Samsung does there volume on garbage TVs. They still make money on the high end. And if they give it away that’s for volume too. I’m glad I got my A95L when I did. It’s pretty clear everyone wants to push Mini LED on us and then try to pass off Mini LED as a Micro LED lol.
I hope one day you learn that 8K is a necessary technology for giant screens. The sad thing is that this trolling is not enough in politics, as if it is also affecting the technology world. I have not heard any complaints from those who bought the matte screen. They are very happy, especially because there is no reflection. Making such a judgment about a screen that you do not use and do not know can only be explained by bad intentions.
@ lol relax. I didn’t group the 8Ks in with the frame or there garbage TVs. And 8K isn’t necessary when zero native content supports it. Upscaling is nice. And it looks good in some cases. But as of now, no it isn’t necessary.
@ literally have seen how the matte disperses the light on tons of videos and in person. FYI there is still plenty of glare, it just spreads it out more. We knew Samsung was nerfing QD OLED when they decided to do this. They’re intentionally not pushing QD OLED forward to sell Mini LED it was Sonys strategy last year too by not making a 95L successor lol.
I just got a 65" S90D Oled, and I love it. I know they're kinda pricey. but you definitively get what you pay for. I didn't wanna get a chinese brand like TCL or Hisense. I like and prefer Samsung as a brand in general.
Got the S95C 65" for half off in a clearance purchase (around $1700). Awesome TV. Very noticeable difference from my LG CX that I got on a Christmas sale. Spent the same on both and would get both again. I will say that the Samsung has a more noticeable lifted black from ambient light reflection in a bright room.
One thing either Brian or FOMO mentioned which makes me feel better about choosing the Sony X90L as my first 4K TV is that there's not a big difference between FALD LED and mini-LED backlighting. I know the X90L isn't the brightest bulb, but it's more accurate than the similarly priced Hisense and TCL models. Between the time I got my X90L and now, I can't afford something more expensive such as the Bravia 7, X93L, X95L, or Bravia 9 for that extra brightness. So unless some financial miracle comes my way, I know I did better than a budget brand with local dimming and/or a near budget brand and model without local dimming at all.
41 minute mark - BOOM, Brian drops the truth! I have had a C9 77 inch for 5 years now... Still now, I have felt zero need to upgrade it because there's nothing quite like it on the market to replace it with at a bigger size. Like Brian, I was also hoping for an 83 inch QD-OLED this year and again this year I may not upgrade cuz the price to performance ratio just doesn't make sense. A g5 at 83 inches? forget about it - I don't have the deep pockets for it and C5 might still be the same C4 rebranded in disguise. PS, I love love love how my C9 is still talked about after 5 years cuz the tech has truly been stagnant till now. QD-OLED could have been it but its not.
Great channel. But I wish they wouldn’t repeat manufacturers CES marketing specs on their upcoming models - as Fact.. Wait until they’re tested please.
What's your favorite TV that you've ever seen or owned Brian? I'm not necessarily asking what is the best specification wise, just what you personally liked the most. I used to have a Sharp Elite LED which was the only LED TV to ever the value electronics TV shootout. I paid around $8,000 for it in 2012 and honestly wish I had never sold it. I run a LG G4 now and think my old Elite was better. Definitely had better motion handling, black levels were truly indistinguishable from what I see on my LG, It got extremely bright with very little ABL, color production was amazing, build quality was phenomenal...... That was my favorite TV.
QD OLED looks great but it's a hilariously complex and inefficient technology. 3 layers of blue OLED and 2 layers of green OLED, then the QD color converting layers for the green and red pixels. And the blue pixel is pass-through which requires a scatter plate. Samsung must be losing money on QD OLED. It sounds like an expensive nightmare to make these QD OLED tvs
but why do they make only a :good enough "display for the frame and i think its not good enough why dont they put a more premium panel inside if not the most premium?
The main reason i switched to OLED was because of the low *Blue Light* emissions, compared to LCD., Will mini RGB and others have the same TÜV Rheinland certification?
Being that the AMOLED display on my laptop isn't WOLED, this gives me an idea of what QD-OLED can do. Even though I can't afford a 77-inch QD-OLED, it's still my dream display. So I hate the idea of QD-OLED going away--😢.
@@uusrikas I'm not talking about color brightness. I'm strictly talking about color saturation. I've never seen more color saturation than from the Samsung Display 15.6" AMOLED panel on my laptop. Yet I never been in front of a QD-OLED. While I'd imagine the color saturation on my laptop's display kills LG's WOLED and tandom RGB WOLED, are you saying the color saturation on QD-OLED kills my laptop's AMOLED panel? I can't imagine any more color saturation than on my laptop's Samsung Display AMOLED panel. But as long as I might never get a QD-OLED in my lifetime if they discontinue it by the time I can afford one, I guess it would save me the disappointment not to go somewhere to check one out and what I don't know might not hurt me in this case.
@@chriskelly1740 i got the same panel i think msi raider ge67 oled 240hz from samsung .and compared to my s90d or philips 855 lg c7 lg b9 its more closer to woled color and picture wise
@@uusrikas I believe my laptop has a 2019 Samsung Display 15.6" 4K AMOLED panel which is 60Hz. I believe it was first generation. Maybe you have a newer one.
Hopefully Samsung would offer a glossy screen option for their high end QD-OLED and give consumers a choice. Otherwise, Sony would be the only choice for glossy QD-OLED.
Same here, I actually prefer my c9 to my c3 that is actually supposed to be brighter but to me isn't and I prefer the interface on the c9 more.@undone14
I'm an OLED/QD OLED fan. I am sensitive to blooming/clouding/poor viewing angles which is why i haven't had an LCD as my primary tv (came from CRT, then Plasma, then OLED/QD-OLED). My question to you guys since you have seen the RGB Mini LEDs in person. How was the off axis? Did colors shift? Even a little bit of color shift is a deal breaker to me. Also, blooming is another deal breaker, even if its slight.
This sucks. I agree on the trim down. Wish they would make it a huge monitor with no smart features (like Pioneer did). Or, wish I wish Pioneer/onkyo would buy the tech to start up the kuro line again! (I know-probably impossible).
It won't matter how good oled or qd oled is if 85" and larger becomes the most popular size. They can't produce large size TVs at reasonably low prices unlike LCD. Also the image quality of a good mini LED is perfectly acceptable, it doesn't need to ever match or exceed OLED since size is becoming the more important consideration.
"true" oled with just blue OLED , yes being pedantic. there already is true rgb oled - and hopefully not too far away for big TVS . If new material organics and even lower production costs , there should be a case for OLEDS for a good while .
@@ameserich I may be wrong - there was the japanese tech sold to chinese ( TCL? eleap ?? ) plus chinese companies want to just print true RGB , but maybe the will just be cheap and very big ( ie maxing out at 1000Nits ) . Anyway still lots of tech , new organics to still trickle through . miniLED will also improve YOY that for 95% of population - looks as good as oled , but bigger and brighter for so cheap. anyway it all may be moot in 5 years with new tech anyway Also for miniLED the way people watch OLED won't matter ie the watch in rooms with some lighting , rarely in dark room , add in grey subtitles
Kuro’s get my vote! I’ve owned them all… 5080, 111, 151, 500M, 600M, 141 - but they all paled in comparison to my D-Nice calibrated 101FD. Damn I miss that set…
What's your favorite TV that you've ever seen or owned Brian? I'm not necessarily asking what is the best specification wise, just what you personally liked the most. I used to have a Sharp Elite LED which was the only LED TV to ever the value electronics TV shootout. I paid around $8,000 for it in 2012 and honestly wish I had never sold it. I run a LG G4 now and honestly think my old Elite was better.
I agree 👍 so I get LCDs , but my us case is store media and played by usb input , and not all brand work well with motion on that Or if they do you have to have a lot of time to be in a store and try many models
This is the most depressing and disappointing video yall have ever put out and I have been following you both for many many years. I’m definitely a Samsung guy. I love Tizen even though I typically use Apple TV. I have bought 7 Samsung TV’s in the last 9 years. 5 QLED’s, 2 Neo Qleds and 2 QD-OLEDs. I’m in total love with QD OLED. It is the best bar none. It isn’t even close. I love Samsung and have had excellent luck with them because of the total package. The presentation, the stands, the operating system, the colors that pop, the remote, etc. I see why they have been #1 for so long. But I just can’t for the life of me figure out why they would sell off their LCD business, to go into QD OLED only to do it for a few years only to give up on that too and now they don’t supply their own LCD panels? None of this makes sense. It just seems like they are making so many odd moves leading to their down fall. I can’t believe yall are basically saying they are DONE moving forward. Sad day and terribly sad video.
I think oled is on the way out and so is micro led, at least for home displays. Because both will never be cheap enough. Meanwhile lcd tvs like rgb mini led tvs keep getting better and cheaper. Also there is new tech like QDEL which also has potential to be much cheaper to manufacture and give you perfect blacks just like oled.
So do you guys think the new tandem OLED at CES isn't as good as QD-OLED? too close to WOLED? Ads on the TV. That will just pushing 90% to buy an AppleTV and never see an ad
So you're basically saying that Samsung is getting rid of QDOLED even though it has better color gamut volume than LG's? That to me doesn't make sense.
It makes sense when you understand that they dont make money off of them, they are too costly to produce and no one will buy them if the price is too high
As long as the picture is Color Accurate, has great upscaling and Bright enough, , then Technology type doesn't matter , People need to be not as greedy as TV's are excellent as these days 👍👍👍
Samsung QD-OLED should be renamed Schrödinger’s TV-both revolutionary and obsolete at the same time. You know, if you're going to suggest therapy, don't. I'm living proof it doesn't work...when it comes to TV tech. As Steve Jobs might’ve said, "You can’t fix what isn’t broken, but you can certainly break what’s too new."
Again Brian gives us an awesome review, best on the web! 👏😉 by the way Brian, I’ve learned so much from all your videos, I highly recommend all of you enthusiasts to watch all his past videos. You won’t be disappointed. 👊
It'll be alright when Avforms spoke to Samsung display at CES they stated that they've have sold the display to another manufacturer for 2025 . Now that Phillips are also going with LG's 4 stack it only leaves Sony ❤
@@lpromer4796 They made a soft relaunch in 2023 with the Sharp XLED and Sharp WRGB OLED through high-end AV installers, but they have been selling QD-OLEDs overseas. Potential for them to buy the 4th Gen QD-OLED and sell it overseas - doubt they’ll do one in the USA. Based on leaks and Sony’s changing priorities (large MiniLEDs), it is highly unlikely they’re using QD-OLED this year.
The matte finish is NOT a bad thing guys. Ditch the QD-Oled it is. I hope Sony or at least next year they bring back QD-Oled UV or wherever they call it.
TVS DISPLAYS é com a LG melhor fabricante de TVS DISPLAYS do mundo LG tem confiabilidade durabilidade qualidade experiência etc junto a isso só LG dá 5 anos de garantia contra burn-in nas TVS OLED etc LG melhor do mundo LG capricha em tudo 🥇👑🏆👑💯🎉
They can save it by keeping them glossy, crt simulation, and sorry but theres too big of a loyal fan base for Dolby Vision. I was hoping to buy samsung at the end in another year and a 83 inch.
So, just so we are clear, if 2025 is the last year for Samsung QD-OLED tvs, which specific technology are you expecting to replace it? And will that technology be some kind of "self emissive" technology with contrast to rival OLED tvs?
"Mini LED" was always about price not performance. Any time a company shows their backlight grid with the LCD panel removed you can see miles of empty space between the LEDs, using smaller LEDs is just objectively worse except that we don't know how much it would cost to make a 10,000 zone FALD TV with standard size LEDs.
It's funny you say that because I own a Kuro and have my eyes on an A95L. The only reason I haven't bought it yet is because I'm waiting for Sony to reveal their next flagship model. Will it be a QD-OLED or not? Will it be much better than the A95L or just a small upgrade? ..Perhaps a downgrade? Whatever's the case they need to reveal it soon!
@ Same here although I never owned a Kuro just a late Panasonic HD Plasma. Just curious - how do you feel the Kuro in 1080P compares to an Oled in 1080P ? I’m also waiting to see what Sony does. If what fomo says is true an QD-oled goes away for profit reasons (As the Plasma’s did) - it might be worth getting.
@@tennissir1986 Plasma all the way for 1080p. It almost looks like 4K content! Maybe with Nearest-neighbor interpolation it'll look good on an Oled. Haven't tried it yet. The motion clarity with Plasma is hard to beat though.
@@geminijinxies7258 I never compared by Plasma side by side with my 4K tv. If fomo is correct than Sony may jump on the new LG G5 panel for its flagship - although that doesn’t mean it will be better. Maybe brighter - but QD-Oleds are more than bright enough. Then the only thing that remains if Sony will discontinue the A95L - and what pricing will be on it.
@ I don't care for super bright displays either. I mean I still use my Plasma for watching movies. If the new Sony TV uses an LG panel then it's probably time to pick up an A95L. Especially if it gets a price drop from being the old model. But I'll obviously check all the reviews first just in case the new model is much better. 2025 sure is a wild year for TVs!
I was the Sony VPL at BestBuy. As an enthusiast I’d hope you would be right. But The Frame is the official tv of The Karen. And the emasculated house husband.
People love crap. The CU and The Frame sell like candy lol. Our Samsung VPL would openly talk people out of the Frame because of the one connect and usually flip them to an S90. Some Karens wouldn’t have it though lol.
I went from G4 to A95L and back to G4. What you are talking about is your brain got convinced QD OLED is superior and it’s just not. The colours at times seem so unnatural that it’s just over the top. G4 was my choice in 2024 and I absolutely love this beast. So versatile, and don’t even start me on Dolby vision between a95l and g4, what a disappointment from Sony. Great TV, but for the price, not worth it. And I really wanted a Sony tv.
My 65 inch A95K boys is the best Television I’ve ever purchased. The QD. OLED display gives you the contrast that you just don’t have in the other sets out there today. It was you guys who brought me to purchase my first QD OOLED .
My 65 inch A95K boys is the best Television I’ve ever purchased. The QD. OLED display gives you the contrast that you just don’t have in the other sets out there today. It was you guys who got me going on the QD OLED screen and I thank you.
To "save it", sell the QD-OLED supply chain and manufacturing to Chinese firms who have the wherewithal via Chinese Government backing to invest the money over years to build it cheaply. (BTW China's excess productive capacity will get there without purchase of current tech, but it would be worth it to buy now to save time) Basically the finance guys in the Western Firms are ceding the future for short term profits. (Irony) Someone should explain to these guys the time value of money. Owning tomorrow is always worth more than owning today- truer than ever in our post scarcity era.
God dude Brian, dont take this the wrong way but can you stop interrupting people when they are in the middle of a sentence? Its very annoying. As a listener its horrible when fomo is not even done with his sentence and you try to jump in because your brain cant hold a thought for a second and it needs to jump out of your mouth the second you think of it . Relax!
🤣🤣interesting comment. Usually people think Fomo doesn't let me talk . I'll try and be better next time. By the way it's a 50min video of two friends talking unscripted. We are bound to interrupt eachother.
The A95L seems to dim brightness over time. I could be watching a show for an hour, then go to something that should have higher brightness and it’s not as bright and vibrant as it should be. It also seems to be held back from the brightness standpoint. Game Mode imo is acceptable but not on the same level as LG and Samsung and for the price it’s a problem. I’m an A95L owner.
Samsung is killing it with their QDOLEDS, literally killing them with a mat finish (#AG sucks 😂)
Samsung products are shit
The reason people are running away from QD-OLED is simple. Now, take in mind this is from a guy who has owned both WOLED and currently a Samsung S95C QD-OLED. It's the lack of inky black levels when any type of ambient light hits the screen because of lack of a proper polarizer. MLA WOLED still had this issue as well (however far less noticeable), but with this new four stack designed WOLED, from everything I'm reading, it uses the same polarizer as the C series from LG which has perfect inky black levels in any lighting condition. So now people will see with the LG G5 that you can have increased brightness AND perfect inky black levels, it will be a no brainer to go this route. Samsung also didn't help its case by adding a matte like finish to its S95 series TV lineup, most enthusiast I talk to hate matte and respond with "Glossy for life". Also if you're a gamer, the one connect box is the absolute enemy for high refresh rates and screen black outs Lol.
The matte finish isn’t even the big deal to me because I will always use in a dark room anyway but it still seems the G5 is the better buy this year
Yeah looks like, slightly less colors vs QD OLED but the gap has kept getting smaller. LG has better processing and more people like webOS.
@@Malinkadinkyup better motion, better HDR tone mapping, far better QC with less failure rates….a lot more advantages beyond just losing to marginally better colors..well either way I’m glad I own 2 tv technologies that seem to be going away 😂 G4 with MLA and older first gen qd oled with the s95b
Honestly though. MiniLED is every single year taking away an "OLED advantage" or minimizing it. Realize that MiniLED has only been a thing for 4 years. This will be the 5th year. But technically it's 4, because most manufacturers didn't get on it until 2021 or so.
In that short time span the advances are huge. And the cost to benefit ratio is much greater than OLED. OLED has basically been stagnant in sales for years. Even with these amazing advancements OLED has had as well.
This year, viewing angle advantage of OLED is starting to disappear with W-HVA panels and ADS Pro panels. Now even TCL have 23-bit processing, Sony at 22-bit. The gradation of the lights combined with zones and how it minimizes blooming etc. Brightness advantage of miniLED overall. So what's left for OLED. "Micro-contrast" only really noticeable in dark room and small tiny specular highlight brightness. Only really noticeable if OLED sits next to the MiniLED.
If a person has a top MiniLED and have lights in their room. 99% of content looks the same as an OLED. Blooming is hard to see in a lit room, that is the few times it is even there.
Size. MiniLED is hitting 130" by now. So a 65 to 75" MiniLED is getting cheaper.
Imagine another 4 years in advancement with MiniLED. They used to have a few hundred zones. They are hitting 15,000 zones now. And even at just 3,000 zones they are doing miracles.
Now with RGB miniLED. They beat even QDOLED in color gamut/volume. Which means they even have an advantage over OLED now.
Cost, brightness, no burn in worries, better colours going forward, constantly better contrast/micro-contrast, HDR impact.
The fact manufacturers make a much larger profit. It's rough for OLED.
Miniled is a glorified led tv its straight up trash compared to Oled
100% incorrect and false.
You clearly do not own an Oled, even the most basic panel is superior to the most advanced mini led in several areas.
Any text on screen blooms on an LCD Panel and when even looked at a slight angle is horrendously magnified.
Oled picture is sharper, better contrast, detail and of course response time and motion.
LED are great for large panel cost to performance, but make no mistake there is no consumer friendly tv sold in stores that can compete with something like the Sony QD Oled or
Even LG G4
If Sony doesn’t release a new qd-oled this year then the tech is dead
Sony does not create qd OLED panels....... They source it
I think they will stick to qd-oled believe me no one wanna risk been compared to panasonic .
they could release the new qd oled 4th gen from samsung
I worked at BestBuy there’s way more mark ups in the QD OLEDs and OLEDS than you guys think. Our employee discounts there was room on the OLEDs. No one mentions all the dog crap TVs Samsung sells at a loss like the TU and CU series. Also they sell the gimmicks like The Frame. Samsung is intentionally not pushing QD OLED by making it Matte. They sell crap tvs. The Frame which is also garbage and the 8Ks they try to push.
you see all the samsung 2023 TV are on clearance in coreblue? 85in 800c 2100 bucks and i picked up 77 S95c 1900 before tax
@ I haven’t worked there since end of 23. But sounds like good deals. Either way. Samsung does there volume on garbage TVs. They still make money on the high end. And if they give it away that’s for volume too. I’m glad I got my A95L when I did. It’s pretty clear everyone wants to push Mini LED on us and then try to pass off Mini LED as a Micro LED lol.
I hope one day you learn that 8K is a necessary technology for giant screens. The sad thing is that this trolling is not enough in politics, as if it is also affecting the technology world. I have not heard any complaints from those who bought the matte screen. They are very happy, especially because there is no reflection. Making such a judgment about a screen that you do not use and do not know can only be explained by bad intentions.
@ lol relax. I didn’t group the 8Ks in with the frame or there garbage TVs. And 8K isn’t necessary when zero native content supports it. Upscaling is nice. And it looks good in some cases. But as of now, no it isn’t necessary.
@ literally have seen how the matte disperses the light on tons of videos and in person. FYI there is still plenty of glare, it just spreads it out more. We knew Samsung was nerfing QD OLED when they decided to do this. They’re intentionally not pushing QD OLED forward to sell Mini LED it was Sonys strategy last year too by not making a 95L successor lol.
Before ces lg is dead, after ces qd Oled is dead 😅
I just got a 65" S90D Oled, and I love it. I know they're kinda pricey. but you definitively get what you pay for. I didn't wanna get a chinese brand like TCL or Hisense.
I like and prefer Samsung as a brand in general.
I just bought the same tv yet. I haven't had the time to use it yet. Hopefully, it's a good tv.
Got the S95C 65" for half off in a clearance purchase (around $1700). Awesome TV. Very noticeable difference from my LG CX that I got on a Christmas sale. Spent the same on both and would get both again. I will say that the Samsung has a more noticeable lifted black from ambient light reflection in a bright room.
i switched lg cx for s90c. night and day difference
You guys have made me an tv enthusiast...Thank you Brian and Fomo
One thing either Brian or FOMO mentioned which makes me feel better about choosing the Sony X90L as my first 4K TV is that there's not a big difference between FALD LED and mini-LED backlighting. I know the X90L isn't the brightest bulb, but it's more accurate than the similarly priced Hisense and TCL models. Between the time I got my X90L and now, I can't afford something more expensive such as the Bravia 7, X93L, X95L, or Bravia 9 for that extra brightness. So unless some financial miracle comes my way, I know I did better than a budget brand with local dimming and/or a near budget brand and model without local dimming at all.
41 minute mark - BOOM, Brian drops the truth! I have had a C9 77 inch for 5 years now... Still now, I have felt zero need to upgrade it because there's nothing quite like it on the market to replace it with at a bigger size. Like Brian, I was also hoping for an 83 inch QD-OLED this year and again this year I may not upgrade cuz the price to performance ratio just doesn't make sense. A g5 at 83 inches? forget about it - I don't have the deep pockets for it and C5 might still be the same C4 rebranded in disguise.
PS, I love love love how my C9 is still talked about after 5 years cuz the tech has truly been stagnant till now. QD-OLED could have been it but its not.
@nsinghc2799 that's right, my friend! I will never forget the TV legends!
Philips will also use the new LG OLED panel (Quattro Formaggi layer cake)
😅😅😅
Great channel. But I wish they wouldn’t repeat manufacturers CES marketing specs on their upcoming models - as Fact.. Wait until they’re tested please.
What's your favorite TV that you've ever seen or owned Brian? I'm not necessarily asking what is the best specification wise, just what you personally liked the most. I used to have a Sharp Elite LED which was the only LED TV to ever the value electronics TV shootout. I paid around $8,000 for it in 2012 and honestly wish I had never sold it. I run a LG G4 now and think my old Elite was better. Definitely had better motion handling, black levels were truly indistinguishable from what I see on my LG, It got extremely bright with very little ABL, color production was amazing, build quality was phenomenal...... That was my favorite TV.
QD OLED looks great but it's a hilariously complex and inefficient technology. 3 layers of blue OLED and 2 layers of green OLED, then the QD color converting layers for the green and red pixels. And the blue pixel is pass-through which requires a scatter plate. Samsung must be losing money on QD OLED. It sounds like an expensive nightmare to make these QD OLED tvs
You both always give the best info
but why do they make only a :good enough "display for the frame and i think its not good enough why dont they put a more premium panel inside if not the most premium?
I was shocked there wasn't going to be an 83" qd oled.... I thought for sure we would see it in 2025
@@tonyzeno2715 you and me both brother
The main reason i switched to OLED was because of the low *Blue Light* emissions, compared to LCD., Will mini RGB and others have the same TÜV Rheinland certification?
Being that the AMOLED display on my laptop isn't WOLED, this gives me an idea of what QD-OLED can do. Even though I can't afford a 77-inch QD-OLED, it's still my dream display. So I hate the idea of QD-OLED going away--😢.
Amoled looks actually closer to woled picture wise qd oled looks kind of different
@@uusrikas I'm not talking about color brightness. I'm strictly talking about color saturation. I've never seen more color saturation than from the Samsung Display 15.6" AMOLED panel on my laptop. Yet I never been in front of a QD-OLED. While I'd imagine the color saturation on my laptop's display kills LG's WOLED and tandom RGB WOLED, are you saying the color saturation on QD-OLED kills my laptop's AMOLED panel? I can't imagine any more color saturation than on my laptop's Samsung Display AMOLED panel. But as long as I might never get a QD-OLED in my lifetime if they discontinue it by the time I can afford one, I guess it would save me the disappointment not to go somewhere to check one out and what I don't know might not hurt me in this case.
@@chriskelly1740 i got the same panel i think msi raider ge67 oled 240hz from samsung .and compared to my s90d or philips 855 lg c7 lg b9 its more closer to woled color and picture wise
@@uusrikas I believe my laptop has a 2019 Samsung Display 15.6" 4K AMOLED panel which is 60Hz. I believe it was first generation. Maybe you have a newer one.
Hopefully Samsung would offer a glossy screen option for their high end QD-OLED and give consumers a choice. Otherwise, Sony would be the only choice for glossy QD-OLED.
Yo seen glossy tesla. Is gross. Matte tesla looks good 👍
Even if Sony launches qd-oled again, it may not be able to bypass s95f and make it glossy
Them C9 CXs still holding?……its been what 5 years roughly?
I have a C9 still going strong lol. It's no longer my primary living room tv but still working! No image retention/burn in
Same here, I actually prefer my c9 to my c3 that is actually supposed to be brighter but to me isn't and I prefer the interface on the c9 more.@undone14
@@undone14 same here
Phillips is going with Lg rgb tandem oled as well.
I'm an OLED/QD OLED fan. I am sensitive to blooming/clouding/poor viewing angles which is why i haven't had an LCD as my primary tv (came from CRT, then Plasma, then OLED/QD-OLED). My question to you guys since you have seen the RGB Mini LEDs in person. How was the off axis? Did colors shift? Even a little bit of color shift is a deal breaker to me. Also, blooming is another deal breaker, even if its slight.
This sucks. I agree on the trim down. Wish they would make it a huge monitor with no smart features (like Pioneer did). Or, wish I wish Pioneer/onkyo would buy the tech to start up the kuro line again! (I know-probably impossible).
It won't matter how good oled or qd oled is if 85" and larger becomes the most popular size. They can't produce large size TVs at reasonably low prices unlike LCD. Also the image quality of a good mini LED is perfectly acceptable, it doesn't need to ever match or exceed OLED since size is becoming the more important consideration.
QD-OLED are the only true RGB OLED, it will be here for a long time specially for monitors
"true" oled with just blue OLED , yes being pedantic. there already is true rgb oled - and hopefully not too far away for big TVS . If new material organics and even lower production costs , there should be a case for OLEDS for a good while .
@@nimblegoat that will never happen, it would mean 9 depositionon on 3 layer.
QD-Oled is true RGB, blue is converted to red/green
@@ameserich I may be wrong - there was the japanese tech sold to chinese ( TCL? eleap ?? ) plus chinese companies want to just print true RGB , but maybe the will just be cheap and very big ( ie maxing out at 1000Nits ) .
Anyway still lots of tech , new organics to still trickle through .
miniLED will also improve YOY that for 95% of population - looks as good as oled , but bigger and brighter for so cheap.
anyway it all may be moot in 5 years with new tech anyway
Also for miniLED the way people watch OLED won't matter ie the watch in rooms with some lighting , rarely in dark room , add in grey subtitles
Had a Pioneer Krp500. No tuner, apps, or speakers, just the display. I'm set with audio and streamers so I would buy a qd oled only display.
Have had my KRP-500M since March 2009 and still going very strong. I love this TV (monitor).
Kuro’s get my vote! I’ve owned them all… 5080, 111, 151, 500M, 600M, 141 - but they all paled in comparison to my D-Nice calibrated 101FD. Damn I miss that set…
What's your favorite TV that you've ever seen or owned Brian? I'm not necessarily asking what is the best specification wise, just what you personally liked the most. I used to have a Sharp Elite LED which was the only LED TV to ever the value electronics TV shootout. I paid around $8,000 for it in 2012 and honestly wish I had never sold it. I run a LG G4 now and honestly think my old Elite was better.
This year mini LED is so close if not ( equal depending on the manufacturer)to QD-OLED but what about next year 2026.?
I wish they would do something about motion resolution. I love qd-oled for the colors and hdr, but maan the motion sucks compared to plasma.
I agree 👍 so I get LCDs , but my us case is store media and played by usb input , and not all brand work well with motion on that
Or if they do you have to have a lot of time to be in a store and try many models
@@bungalowtomcat1motion is no better on lcd and everything else is far superior on oled, plasma was on a level closer to crt with motion.
Samsungs motion is janky af. Qdoled motion as a tech is fine since it’s instant pixel response. They just implement 3:2 pull down poorly
My s90c is perfect I just don’t need or want to upgrade.
Light or dark let the best tv win😅
QD- OLED isn’t going ANYWHERE but UP!!
Good afternoon Bromo...
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I see what you did there 😅 Brian + FOMO=Bromo
What ever happened to that Sony Crystal LED tech we heard about a few years ago. Lol.
Hey fellas😊
The new mini leds cost less to make. We know it’s about the maximizing the return. Qd-oiled probably has like 2 years left
This is the most depressing and disappointing video yall have ever put out and I have been following you both for many many years. I’m definitely a Samsung guy. I love Tizen even though I typically use Apple TV. I have bought 7 Samsung TV’s in the last 9 years. 5 QLED’s, 2 Neo Qleds and 2 QD-OLEDs. I’m in total love with QD OLED. It is the best bar none. It isn’t even close. I love Samsung and have had excellent luck with them because of the total package. The presentation, the stands, the operating system, the colors that pop, the remote, etc. I see why they have been #1 for so long. But I just can’t for the life of me figure out why they would sell off their LCD business, to go into QD OLED only to do it for a few years only to give up on that too and now they don’t supply their own LCD panels? None of this makes sense. It just seems like they are making so many odd moves leading to their down fall. I can’t believe yall are basically saying they are DONE moving forward. Sad day and terribly sad video.
I think oled is on the way out and so is micro led, at least for home displays. Because both will never be cheap enough. Meanwhile lcd tvs like rgb mini led tvs keep getting better and cheaper. Also there is new tech like QDEL which also has potential to be much cheaper to manufacture and give you perfect blacks just like oled.
So do you guys think the new tandem OLED at CES isn't as good as QD-OLED? too close to WOLED?
Ads on the TV. That will just pushing 90% to buy an AppleTV and never see an ad
Brian, when do you expect to receive any TV's to actually review? This must be the reviewers slow season. Enjoy the channel.
@bobblob-s6r thank you my friend! Yes this is the slower season before TV'S. That said the TCL QM6 is on its way.
@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY Great thanks for the quick response.
What's up brian and fomo. See you guys tomorrow 🫡
It's always a pleasure seeing you, my friend!
So you're basically saying that Samsung is getting rid of QDOLED even though it has better color gamut volume than LG's? That to me doesn't make sense.
That's why the video is this long, my friend. There are several reasons beyond it being better than the competition .
It makes sense when you understand that they dont make money off of them, they are too costly to produce and no one will buy them if the price is too high
As long as the picture is Color Accurate, has great upscaling and Bright enough, , then Technology type doesn't matter ,
People need to be not as greedy as TV's are excellent as these days 👍👍👍
Get rid of the disgusting matte finish...
Hi lg bot 🤖
The average consumer and Samsung Electronics have spoken: Matte “Lifestyle” TVs are in.
@@Sansho54in the trash, matte sucks ass.
If only we had this much competition in the GPU deparment. If you want 4k max settings with raytracing its 5090 or bust.
Imo weren't even need more competition, a moderate amount of optimization would do wonders.
@xninja83x67 optimization from game developers is not going to lower gpu prices.
Samsung QD-OLED should be renamed Schrödinger’s TV-both revolutionary and obsolete at the same time. You know, if you're going to suggest therapy, don't. I'm living proof it doesn't work...when it comes to TV tech. As Steve Jobs might’ve said, "You can’t fix what isn’t broken, but you can certainly break what’s too new."
Perfectly said
I think its getting pushed to the curve because its too expensive to make, especially in higher sizes.
Again Brian gives us an awesome review, best on the web! 👏😉 by the way Brian, I’ve learned so much from all your videos, I highly recommend all of you enthusiasts to watch all his past videos. You won’t be disappointed. 👊
@Goatex100 awesome! Thank you so much my friend!
It'll be alright when Avforms spoke to Samsung display at CES they stated that they've have sold the display to another manufacturer for 2025 . Now that Phillips are also going with LG's 4 stack it only leaves Sony ❤
Hopefully 🤞 I’m ready to pull the trigger either on the A95L or this year’s Sony OLED flagship if it’s QD OLED
Or Sharp.
@@Sansho54 I don’t think Sharp sells TVs in the US anymore
@@lpromer4796 They made a soft relaunch in 2023 with the Sharp XLED and Sharp WRGB OLED through high-end AV installers, but they have been selling QD-OLEDs overseas. Potential for them to buy the 4th Gen QD-OLED and sell it overseas - doubt they’ll do one in the USA.
Based on leaks and Sony’s changing priorities (large MiniLEDs), it is highly unlikely they’re using QD-OLED this year.
Sharp is made a unit last year & most likely is the partner this year as well. I’m not ruling out Sony, but it’s not looking promising.
The matte finish is NOT a bad thing guys. Ditch the QD-Oled it is.
I hope Sony or at least next year they bring back QD-Oled UV or wherever they call it.
TVS DISPLAYS é com a LG melhor fabricante de TVS DISPLAYS do mundo LG tem confiabilidade durabilidade qualidade experiência etc junto a isso só LG dá 5 anos de garantia contra burn-in nas TVS OLED etc LG melhor do mundo LG capricha em tudo 🥇👑🏆👑💯🎉
They can save it by keeping them glossy, crt simulation, and sorry but theres too big of a loyal fan base for Dolby Vision. I was hoping to buy samsung at the end in another year and a 83 inch.
So, just so we are clear, if 2025 is the last year for Samsung QD-OLED tvs, which specific technology are you expecting to replace it? And will that technology be some kind of "self emissive" technology with contrast to rival OLED tvs?
"Mini LED" was always about price not performance.
Any time a company shows their backlight grid with the LCD panel removed you can see miles of empty space between the LEDs, using smaller LEDs is just objectively worse except that we don't know how much it would cost to make a 10,000 zone FALD TV with standard size LEDs.
Ayeee papi chulo
So. Will the Sony A95L become the new Pioneer Kuro ?
It's funny you say that because I own a Kuro and have my eyes on an A95L. The only reason I haven't bought it yet is because I'm waiting for Sony to reveal their next flagship model.
Will it be a QD-OLED or not? Will it be much better than the A95L or just a small upgrade? ..Perhaps a downgrade? Whatever's the case they need to reveal it soon!
@ Same here although I never owned a Kuro just a late Panasonic HD Plasma. Just curious - how do you feel the Kuro in 1080P compares to an Oled in 1080P ? I’m also waiting to see what Sony does. If what fomo says is true an QD-oled goes away for profit reasons (As the Plasma’s did) - it might be worth getting.
@@tennissir1986 Plasma all the way for 1080p. It almost looks like 4K content!
Maybe with Nearest-neighbor interpolation it'll look good on an Oled. Haven't tried it yet. The motion clarity with Plasma is hard to beat though.
@@geminijinxies7258 I never compared by Plasma side by side with my 4K tv. If fomo is correct than Sony may jump on the new LG G5 panel for its flagship - although that doesn’t mean it will be better. Maybe brighter - but QD-Oleds are more than bright enough. Then the only thing that remains if Sony will discontinue the A95L - and what pricing will be on it.
@ I don't care for super bright displays either. I mean I still use my Plasma for watching movies. If the new Sony TV uses an LG panel then it's probably time to pick up an A95L. Especially if it gets a price drop from being the old model. But I'll obviously check all the reviews first just in case the new model is much better. 2025 sure is a wild year for TVs!
For real Nobody need over 1600 nits 😂
Boy Fomo fighting tooth and nail to minimize Samsung and Hisense blatantly lying about their mini-led TVs calling them microled 😂😂😂
Frame tv is just a fad, just like curved tvs. People will get bored with that quickly.
I was the Sony VPL at BestBuy. As an enthusiast I’d hope you would be right. But The Frame is the official tv of The Karen. And the emasculated house husband.
People love crap. The CU and The Frame sell like candy lol. Our Samsung VPL would openly talk people out of the Frame because of the one connect and usually flip them to an S90. Some Karens wouldn’t have it though lol.
The frame is Samsungs version of LG’s G series. It won’t be going away anytime soon. Especially if they use a better screen and larger sizes
The Only way to watch Sports is on a QD-OLED TV!!! Nothing compares and I’ve owned them ALL
And why is that?
@ it’s the BEST SPORTS PICTURE with uniformity and Color Pop and Motion that exists!!!
Yeah the nba 4k and nfl 4K games look insane on my 77. So hyped for the superbowl In fox 4K
@ 4K on a QD OLED is yes… ABSOLUTELY INSANE
I went from G4 to A95L and back to G4. What you are talking about is your brain got convinced QD OLED is superior and it’s just not. The colours at times seem so unnatural that it’s just over the top. G4 was my choice in 2024 and I absolutely love this beast. So versatile, and don’t even start me on Dolby vision between a95l and g4, what a disappointment from Sony. Great TV, but for the price, not worth it. And I really wanted a Sony tv.
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I suspect that Samsung has a non-organic blue nanorod lurking in the background.
My 65 inch A95K boys is the best Television I’ve ever purchased. The QD. OLED display gives you the contrast that you just don’t have in the other sets out there today. It was you guys who brought me to purchase my first QD OOLED .
My 65 inch A95K boys is the best Television I’ve ever purchased. The QD. OLED display gives you the contrast that you just don’t have in the other sets out there today. It was you guys who got me going on the QD OLED screen and I thank you.
I think Sony should adopt qd oled and manufacture the panels
To "save it", sell the QD-OLED supply chain and manufacturing to Chinese firms who have the wherewithal via Chinese Government backing to invest the money over years to build it cheaply. (BTW China's excess productive capacity will get there without purchase of current tech, but it would be worth it to buy now to save time)
Basically the finance guys in the Western Firms are ceding the future for short term profits. (Irony) Someone should explain to these guys the time value of money. Owning tomorrow is always worth more than owning today- truer than ever in our post scarcity era.
It took LG what three years to catch up and they’re still not quite there. Samsung will think of something to compete.
God dude Brian, dont take this the wrong way but can you stop interrupting people when they are in the middle of a sentence? Its very annoying. As a listener its horrible when fomo is not even done with his sentence and you try to jump in because your brain cant hold a thought for a second and it needs to jump out of your mouth the second you think of it . Relax!
🤣🤣interesting comment. Usually people think Fomo doesn't let me talk . I'll try and be better next time. By the way it's a 50min video of two friends talking unscripted. We are bound to interrupt eachother.
@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY Just don't shout.
@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY You handled this snarky comment very well.
with our powers combined we will save QD OLED in 2025!
Adios
Sony A95L is still the best plenty bright enough, in fact can be too bright at night, on your eyes....
The A95L seems to dim brightness over time. I could be watching a show for an hour, then go to something that should have higher brightness and it’s not as bright and vibrant as it should be. It also seems to be held back from the brightness standpoint. Game Mode imo is acceptable but not on the same level as LG and Samsung and for the price it’s a problem. I’m an A95L owner.
I like the way you guys think
Samsung's frame is just a gimmick, just make a proper QD OLED with a glossy screen....
QD OLED is the best so far, barvia 9 does not come close, it's just a glorified LCD display...
The Bravia 9 hurt you 😢
@@NexGenTek 🤣 for real. The Bravia 9 was Sonys flagship tv last year. Maybe it will be again
I DONT NEED IT , I DONT NEED IT , I WANT ITTTTTTT 😭🥹
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