@@moonlight5031 gandalf is a angel or god of natur something like that. not a man, just carrys the body of a old man. he is a mayar. one of the ainur and has even playd a role in the ainulindale/creation of arda (the world) just like sauron to is a mayar.
You would think that LOTR fanboys would be far more upset since Gandalf lost while possessing one the most powerful artifacts in nerdom. At this point if I got the opportunity to direct a Star Wars film I would instead turn em down and have the studio just come out with make your damn Star Wars movies apps vs pandering to a bunch sad pathetic beta males whining over the internet.
The actor portraying Anakin did a really really good Anakin. He even felt like Anakin. Superb job. Vader's voice is also faithfully menacing as well. The fight between Vader and Anakin seems so real and believable. :)
Vader: The wizard's sword has as much or even more power than my lightsaber. Boy, gather your master's sword and perhaps I shall allow you to live. With this ring and sword, I shall become what my master could not. Now sword of Gandalf,.We shall see how you bleed.
Sadly you spell Gandolph which is Gandalf. This video is a hoax, a fanboy made up video. With lack of knowledge, passionless, fools who don't read books only comics. You don't know who's Olorín, Gandalf. Go do more research.
Kenice You mean Kinetite? Because Kinetite looks nothing like that, it's a sphere of electricity mixed with kinetic energy. It's an obscure technique, that's generated away from the user's body. Which makes it perfect for Vader, who's mechanical hands are literally incapable of channeling traditional force lightning, at least not without electrocuting Vader himself. Furthermore, Vader was only able to use it because of his close proximity to the Kaiburr crystal. You obviously don't know much about Star Wars, do you?
No. OH MY GOD! In Episode 2 Attack of the Clones, Count Dooku cut his right arm off and in Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan Kenobi cut his left arm and both his legs off. Get your facts right bro
Christopher Lee portrayed both Sauraman and Count Dooku. When asked which character would be victorious in battle, Mr. Lee, said that it was a silly question, and home field would give advantage, but gave the edge to the wizard.
can force lightning as a darksider can emit it from anywhere. They usually choose their hands. Just because he has a robotic limb doesn't mean he can't use it.
It's simple as this: Gandalf is a Maia,a creature created by the Valar,the gods of Tolkien's Universe.Gandalf has an incredible enormous power,more than possibly any Jedi or Sith could even slightly reach,and his powers doesn't just apply to force fields,enchanting his sword or tricking minds.So Vader couldn't possibly defeat him,although the battle would be intense and long. The result of this battle is,as way many on this channel,given by the fans,not by the facts.
@@kylekuhn5882 That is because he swore an oath to never be in his true form in his quest to help and guide the people of middle earth. If we take aside the fact, that he could dispel any force power Vader could throw at him with a flicker of his eye, since the force in comparison to power given by pretty much god would be just illusion, Gandalfs true form would be allowed since this isn‘t anymore just about middle earth, but the whole of Arda (middle earth is the continent, and Arda the world). His true form would be an almost biblical angel. Something we cannot fully comprehend without going mad. Vader isn‘t able to win this one.
@@swaglevi4315 I feel like that all the time 🤷♂️ been watching @batinthesun since MySpace, felt like revisiting the classics for my Bday. And after 8 years, I still can't let it go: VADER CANNOT USE FORCE LIGHTNING!
Men... Vader is incapable of throwing force electric rays. His armor and cybernetic implants were designed to stop him from doing such force technique.
The problem with killing Gandalf the Grey is that he won't leave it there. If you strike him down, he really does become more powerful, and reincarnates as Gandalf the White.
Grand Theft Gamer Nope. Gandalf would be fried to f*ck. Also Sidious in the EU has survived ROTJ, lived in clone bodies, ripped wormholes in space and destroyed entire rebel fleets, and teleported people across the galaxy. Or Sidious could just speedblitz and hack him up to pieces with his lightsaber.
+Catter Peener I would rather see Gandalf be set against Elminster Aumar from D&D Forgotten Realms if all possible, for Elminster Aumar is Gandalf's True Rival & Ultimate Imitator for different reasons since August of 1987, still remains that way to this day.
Jairo Buchting I'm reading from a different cannon sources that the same thing "his mechanical arms prevent him from creating Force lightning" What are you reading?
Technically, he can't create force lightning because it would risk damage to his life support, not because of his organic limbs. Theoretically, he could generate it, but it would be risky to do. However, Vader can generate a form of lightning called Kinetite, which he probably used in the video. Vader's suit CAN NOT generate lightning.
@@billmarrison9090 but yea Gandalf the Grey did get pretty smacked about by him btw sorry if that previous comment was rude at all wasnt meaning to come off like that 😂😂
***** No he didn't. He's been a great actor everywhere else, and his VISUAL acting even in Ep 2 and 3 is really great. His line delivery is garbage, and so is Natalie Portman's, another good actor in every other movie. No, he didn't ruin Star Wars, George Lucas' retarded "directing" did.
+nate “rocker” rackenstien Next to jar jar binks and the actor who played anakin as a child, i'm starting to notice a trend of anakin actors being absolute shit.
Captain Hotdog yeah I thought that was sketchy too, ut technically he can, he just doesn't because he hasn't mastered it, plus it's too detrimental to his respiratory system.
In depth, both his hands were burnt and replaced with cybernetics making it to where if he used it the electricity would flow through the hands, up the body and use it against himself
Wow! I got the "heebie jeebies" when Gandalph transformed into Anakin! What an amazing plot twist and a truly epic battle! Remember, not only does Gandalph possess incredible magic power, but he is also 24 thousand years old, and is in reality a supernatural being who defeated a Balrog in hand-to-hand combat! Gandalph should have won!
OCDgamer Yeah, it can choke a normal man to death... I mean hey, so can a peanut, but hey that's from an ALLERGY-- or if it gets stuck on the way or something. So if Gandalf hasn't been tested for asthma, he'd better watch out, or Vader use the Force to peel the "contains nuts" warning-label off the crumpets at tea-time-- AND spill his teacup to keep him from washing it down! And the power to destroy a planet is NOTHING compared to that, right?
Ryan Christopher Seriously, these Vader-fans talk about the great "power" of the Force, obviously leeching from the EU-- but what hae we EVER seen it actually do, other than allow someone to see one second into the future, or lift a small ship, or fool idiots? Gandalf can see YEARS into the future, sink ISLANDS, and communicate telepathically. Gandalf can beat Vader anytime he wants.
Ryan Christopher I just hear the song Mean Green Mother whenever they flap their yaps about Big Bad Vader taking down some little old man.... "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MESSIN' WITH!" It ain't Obi-wan Kenobi, I'll tell you that. "I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor... the Dark Side will not avail you, Lame of Anakin. YOU CANNOT PASS!"
Gandalf's magic has alot of unpredictable things, whereas Vader's skillset is well known and fairly straight forward. However, Tolkien always crafted Gandalf as someone that was capable of more but only used exactly what power he needed to at the exact right time, same so with the elves. That unpredictability of what he can actually do makes me lean towards Gandalf.
There's a mistake here. Vader can't use Force Lightning because his suit is highly sensitive to electrical discharges. The lowest intensity bursts can cause his limbs to seize up while higher intensities can damage everything and kill him. If he tries using it, he's gonna end up doing more damage to himself than his opponent, and end up killing himself
Props to the people who made this for respect the votes, but this would never happen. Gandalf (even when he was "just" Gandalf the Grey) is a divine being in the LOTRverse, there is no way Darth Vader would be able to take him.
That was just the movies trying to boss up the Wicth King; it doesn't happen like that in the books. That said, however, the ring-wraithes draw their power from a (previously) divine being, so the Witch King is still above Vader anyway, I think.
GreenZubat Y'know, technically, the force is a divine being, and Vader, like all other Jedi and Sith, draws his power directly from it. So Vader is AT LEAST Witch-King level.
Ok, I did not know if that scene was cannon or not. I would say Vader is about equal to the Witch King, but I do not know how Gandalf would fair against the Witch King, and that is Gandalf the White I am referring too. All in all I would say Vader could take Gandalf the Grey, but not Gandalf the White.
Ohai Driku The force is not divine, it's just mystical in a vague way. Ironically, the force is more akin to magic, and jedi to wizards, in the proper sense most people think of than the LotR "wizards", who are actually five angels sent by God (Eru Illuvatar) to repel Sauron. At the end of the day, for all his dark side powers, Vader is still just a mortal man, below the immortal, divine Gandalf. In this respect, I find it hard to believe Vader would be more powerful than Gandalf (Grey or White).
+Valdemire Kreshnov As far as I understand, it gives you power depending on how powerful you already are. That is why Gandalf did not wanted to even touch the ring he said that the power would be too terrible for him to wield. Also it controls the other rings and gives mind control abilities.
+Valdemire Kreshnov The One Ring doesn't do anything to anyone, aside from the invisibility thing :). To be honest, we don't know what other powers it could grant, as the only person to wear the ring, aside from Bilbo and Frodo, was Isildur, and even he didn't note any other powers. To put it simply, the ONE Ring will corrupt the user into a pale imitation of Sauron. I think what Farrex was getting at with "powers" was the other rings, which did grant various other powers, though in the end they were ultimately created to be controlled by the One. Not sure where the "mind control" abilities comes from, because wouldn't Gollum have been able to just mind control Bilbo? Or exibit some formof mind control in the caves? But he doesn't. It has mind control powers ONLY for the one that created it. Then again, it HAS been a long time since I've read through Tolkiens earlier works, so I could be mistaken :)
sapherno11 I have not read Simarillion nor the Hobbit book, but a friend that has, told me that it has mind control abilities. That through those mind control abilities was the way that Sauron tricked everyone into thinking that he was an Elf and was able to give the rings. Also several people in other comments here mentioned the mind control abilities. As for the power one I have heard several people mention it on the internet and I simply thought it was real, people that they claim that they have read the books several times, but well you never know. Also when Gandalf refuses to take the ring in the Shire, he says that if he touches the ring the power would be too terrible for him to wield. Also it does not turn you invisible, it rather brings you to wraith world, where someone with knowledge of the wraith world could take advantage of it, but for a hobbit that knows nothing of the wraith world, well he just becomes invisible and sees some weird shit.
I've read both, and from what your friend said, I don't think he read them either, or very well. Basically, what happened was Morgoth, The Enemy, was defeated, and Sauron took his place. He attempted to destroy the Numenoreans, and eventually did so by tricking them, making them think, through treachery and deciet that he had "repented", when he had not. One of the ways he made them think he had changed, was he granted them knowledge of the Maia, specifically the Rings of Power. However, nobody knew he had made the Rings to rule all until HE put on the Ruling Ring, and the Elves knew, and warned the others, though it was far too late to save Numenor. Everyone knew Sauron was NOT an elf though, they knew he was a Maia. Not to point holes again, but just because someone mentions it, doesn't mean its true. the RULING Ring DOES have mind control powers. ONLY for Sauron, that effect does not work with anyone else. And each of the regular Rings of Power, the ones with actual powers, Gave the strength to "Govern each Race". Same with the "Powers". As far as I know, it only grants additional powers TO Sauron, or rather, to the Master of the Ring, and to no other. The other rings did grant additional powers, though at terrible cost. I"m well aware what Gandalf says, and more specifically, he says this. "I would wield this power for Good, but Through me, the Ring would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine." Meaning that if Gandalf had attempted to use the Ring, he would have become, possibly, more great and terrible a threat then Sauron ever had, Controlled by the power of the One Ring, corrupted by it, and becoming a pale shadow of Sauron.
+Riley Fisher any jedi could win. or if i was a jedi i would use the same tactic with evryone but this one could have a diff one. for take the wand snap it in 2 and thier fucked
Артём Гончаров While it's true that Vader can't use force lightning, he can create a condensed ball of electricity from thin air in front of him and use that to attack in more or less the same way force lightning works... I don't remember the name of the technique now, but it appears in one of the comics. Basically he uses the force to create force lightning in a way that doesn't come in contact with him. It's one of the several things Vader learned to adapt when using the force in his suit, like how he changed his fightning style to adapt to the suit's weight, and other things like that.
Артём Гончаров I don't wanna find one. What for? So we can eventually get married, have children, have them live in this forsaken planet full of violence, injustice and death so they can repeat the whol thing over and over in a never ending cycle of doom and human despair?
Vader using Force Lightning is ridiculous, over 70% of his body is mechanical, an electrical current would fuck up his suit, just like it did when the Emepror zapped him in Return of the Jedi, his breathing became all fucked up.
tashawn griffith Why didn't Gandalf just say USE THE RING, FRODO!Vader would have a tough time finding an invsibile hobbit.... and Frodo would get all Merry and stab him in the ass.
Soo here’s some knowledge for you Gandalf: is over 7,000 years old in TLOR Is basically a god in human form not a mere wizard Has fought and beaten other Demi/semi gods in the series Lord Vader: exceedingly skilled in the force and swordplay One of the toughest warriors in his galaxy Pretty sure wouldn’t be able to use the lightning bc of his cybernetics (he’d prob EMP himself) Vader is badass! No question there. Gandalf is a deity. This isn’t a fight, it’s a dream.
I forgot what other force power Vader has is called but it's like force lightning but it is more on the side of kinetic energy. Plo Koon also uses this power
+Aljaž Mihelčič Or sheer amount of "Vader can't use force lightning", "gandalf can't block lightsabers", "magic is not force", "Vader is conduit of Force and force is omnipotent so he must be omnipotent". Or whole "which one is stronger". I mean, can't we just enjoy the nice visuals and over-glorified version of showing fan option polls? They could just cut to point where after asking random people "who would win?" just show the numbers and say "Yeah, Vader would win by vote because 7% of more fans." Put up a crappy 10-frame animation of Vader force-chocking Gandalf, video done. Instead because they don't go to 60-minute length combat movie taking in according EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF LORE (for Gandalf, it exists in form of three books, bunch of movies and at least three roleplaying supplements, and for Vader... Sheesh, not going to even count those book/comic numbers!), people turn really salty about everything in it.
+Eltharrion Yeah but for real VADER DOESNT DO FORCE LIGHTNING. My god anybody who watched star wars should know that. Things like this should be done by nerds for nerds. People that dont even know this basic shit shouldnt do videos about them. Dont get me wrong theres alot of other super power beatdowns I enjoy, but just the fact that they rely on fanvotes to see who wins is just bullshit. As nice as the visual effects are alot of other stuff is bullshit...
w00ds98 Then what about people who are not considered "nerds", are they disallowed to like or create material like this? For example myself, I am not 100% familiar with SW's Extended Universe. More like knowing only 3-10% of it, thus really making me "not SW nerd/geek". Should I be disallowed to comment here? They are clearly stating at start of video and throughout that they base this on votes, and simply re-create what they think is cool and enjoying to watch based on those fan votes. Votes that, seeing their usual vote base, doesn't know jackshit about stuff they vote for. In more than few episodes, I've seen voters state facts that are completely wrong. These are not studied facts or outcomes like for example Death Battles claim to be. I am not saying one cannot be disappointed at it, but I am simply directing my previous comment to people that start a flame war over this when they admit they are not using any scientific measurements. Those people who are calling this video favored are true, since this is a video made BY fans, FOR fans. Not nerds, not critics, not masters of lore. Just fans who like something VERY much. And even if like it, have not studied it to bone and soul. If one is not allowed to like something without learning everything of it, then I suppose I need to start hating the entire world soon. And that is all you can quote me on this one.
1terraforce Are you kidding me? Someone doesn't know shit. Chief is just as much 'super' as Cap. If not more so. He stands at 7 feet tall, and weighs half a ton in his suit. In the books, Spartan II's can lift 4 to 5 times the weight of a normal man and run at least twice as fast. He's the ultimate super soldier and was bred to be just that. Same as Cap. Except, 500 years in the future. Safe to say, Chief is likely to have more advanced fighting techniques, not even mentioning techinology.
ok, i'm not here to argue about who would win. (and although i have never played halo, i was lmao when read the "master chief is not" :D speaking about arguing without knowing anything about one side or the other) so i'm here to clarify a bit about the voting. there is no other way to tell who would win, and i mean in general not in a particular fight. the victor in a battle would depend on who is the writer. oh, also about the Danicx11 comment. the voting is not the thing they show at the different comic cons and such, the real voting is done on the internet, so it is more or less census pull.
Kinetite: Because Vader's suit makes the use of Force Lightning incredibly dangerous, Vader can shoot balls of pure kinetic energy as an alternative. Darth Vader knows how to use the ability but it would cripple him in the process, so he found that to use instead. Stop freaking about Force Lightning.
Gandalf is actually 3000 years old(Silmarillion), Gandalf has greater power as White than any other being in Middle Earth with the only exception of Sauron, his magical talents exceed almost any other being in Middle Earth and he comes back to life as White after being Grey..Vader would lose.
the thing is, Gandalf kind of lacked the will to kill. also the whole being partly immortal thing comes into play, yes vader would not be able to kill him permanently but a lightsaber to the gut would put a bitch out of commission for a few days
He CAN use it! He just never uses it. He doesn't NEED force lightning!!! He is powerful enough so if he wanted to he could have ended the battle sooner..... He just thought it was amusing for gandalf to try to beat him.
Let me forever bury this argument once and for all. Vader was using "Kinetite" however the creators of this dual got the details of Kinetite incorrectly and made it look like a common Force Lightning. So there you go case closed.
6:21 This guy should have been Anakin. Dude I swear Hayden does not feel canon at all anymore. I've been binge watching the Clone Wars so much lately and that portrayal is perfect......Plus, he looks like Luke which is a +1
Ehhh....I still prefer Hayden. He looks a lot like a live action version of clone wars anakin though. But Hayden will always be Anakin to me, it's just burned into my brain even though he wasn't that good. If they remade the prequels and used this guy my brain would refuse it as canon and wonder wtf I'm watching, lol.
They should have used Gandalf the white not grey. They should fight at their best. That being said Vader's power has been described in depth where as Gandalf's really hasn't, Tolken never stated his limits. There for who's to say he couldn't just call down a massive bolt of lightning and fry vader.
I'd complain about the force lightning but hell, it was a good fight and they portrayed both well. Gandalf put up a good fight, and while I'm miffed he lost, he had a good death! So I'm happy. Plus, the Vader vs Anakin bit was REAL good stuff!
I think everything in this video is fairly accurate except for the fact that Frodo wouldn’t give up the ring that easily. Whether or not it already had hold of him.
In what way is this fairly accurate it's literally outright stated that it's rigged Invaders favor also gandalf could've just used a lightning spell or something along those lines.
Ummm, Vader would have lost from the get go using force lightning, it causes him more pain than it would to his enemies... So the way THIS fight started, Vader would have lost pretty damn quickly. Otherwise, yeah, Vader would probably win.
RoguePig Herbert He can take down a balrog. He can throw his lightsaber into the balrog's stomach, and use the force to turn it on while it's inside of the monster.
is a balrog ever shown in star wars, no so you cant prove that stupid fuck vader whos overrated as fuck can kill a balrog but i can cause its shown in both movie and book, Check mate
alex darocha Yeah, but when he adds or changes what we know about the SW universe suddenly, it becomes annoying. It may be fan made, and he has the final say, but the whole Vader/Force lightning thing is more common sense- it isn't possible with robotic arms, as the midi-chlorians are used to channel the Force- you can't channel powerful Force energy through your fingers if you don't have any. Besides, the Force choke/ push/pull stuff is more passive than lighting, it's change using the Force as a conduit on an area/ target (why Vader has those powers)- whereas the lighting is a directed aggressive attack. And yes, I am a Star Wars nerd :)
Yeah they didint but in a book he used force lighting the thing is Darth Vader can use it but if he does he will end up killing himself in the process but in the book he used it and was never effected by it because of a force crystal
+John Smith Gandalf isn't a human. He is Maiar which is Middle Earth equivalent of an angel. Gandalf is also immortal and would just be resurrected back. Gandalf also isn't fighting at full strength, since he was restricted from using even a fraction of his powers by Eru. Who is the Middle Earth's equivalent of the God of Abraham. The reason for the restriction because his job was to help the elves, dwarves, hobbits and men fix their problems through guidance and not power. The match up is stupid since you are putting a mortal man "Vader" who happens to be using glorified psychic powers versus an angel "Gandalf" with near limitless powers.
+Soisen TheGuardian - That's the real question in my mind. I know that Gandalf would win in his natural state before he took on the form of an elderly man and hid his true power. But, having done so, would he be able to win without relying on being resurrected?
John Rieping What they keep missing and totally screwed up in the movies (besides his glaring lack of eyebrows, read the description before making a movie assholes, you made the freaking buttons special but forgot eyebrows?..geez...sorry, where was I?) is...he just LOOKS like an old man...he used that to his advantage in the story when dealing with men and such. He is NOT an old man. He is not weak or frail by any means. He's got fire, lightning, illusions, telekinesis, his staff, Glamdring, one of the lesser rings of power even. Easiest win...blinding flash, chopped in half. Unless Darth's helmet works like welding goggles. He did not actually die fighting the Balrog, he was very weak, yes, but not dead...Galadriel Healed him....everybody in the story thought he was dead. He became the White at that time because Saruman had gone to the "dark side". Monty Python would say he was just "mostly" dead.
For all those people who say Vader can't use Force Lightning, yes he can. In both Disney Canon and Legends he uses an external lightning in the form of a Sphere. A sort of Sith ball lightning. He's used in in many fights in both cannons. He may not be able to use it in the way portrayed here, he does possess this ability.
True, people shouldn't argue about ths results, with this video logic, Justin bieber could kick mike taison's ass becouse he has more fans but we all know that isn't possible. Fun video but not even near of what both characters could do in a real battle.
If Darth Vader returned to the galaxy far far away, he wouldn't have to. The other option of taking on Sauron is not in Vaders favor. As Sauron is the rings one true master, they are a part of each other and it would betray Vader somehow into his own demise.
Brett Holtz You do realize that's not how the ring works... The ring has 1 true master and seeing how easily Anakin was corrupted from the light to dark, Sauron would easily take full control of him even more than Palpatine. Sauron is the great deceiver, the ring only has 1 master, Sauron. Sauron wouldn't destroy Vader, he would use him.
Since this battle took place on Middle Earth Gandalf would immediately be restored to life in a more powerful form because the God of that universe Eru Illuvatar is Gandalf's bro. Not to mention if he killed Gandalf he would have to contend with the angelic host of the Valar who would bitch slap his cybernetic ass out of existence.
The most informed comment I've read so far. The host of the Valar is a force to be reckoned with but its counterpart would be the imperial army which would have the upper hand simply because they can attack from space (not to mention the Death Star). In a duel, however, Gandalf will eventually prevail, simply because Vader, despite his abilities, is human. Gandalf is a Maia, just like Sauron, which is basically a species of angels. Their physical bodies can be destroyed, their "spirits" weakened but they cannot truly die. Gandalf may disguise himself as an old man but he possesses superhuman strength and agility. So even if Vader manages to defeat him, this would merely be a setback for Gandalf. Eventually Vader will tire / succumb to his injuries / Gandalf will be empowered by the Valar. Eru Ilúvatar created the Ainur (gods and angels) who then created Eä (the Universe) and Arda (the planet where Middle Earth is). Also, he's bros with Gandalf. We nerds will never get laid... low! :)
Man... Vader is Like the Wich King of Angmar, is like a nazgul, is a man seduced by the Darknes, and Palpatine is like Sauron. Is not clear in the silmarillon the origin of Gadalf/Mintrandir/Olorin. But is not equal to Sauron, maybe is a maia like him. And Sauron is a servarn of Firts Dark Lord Melkor. You note that Lucas is inspired on the mithology of Tolkien. Star Wars is similar to the Lord of the Rings in many aspects. So... Maybe Vader (a nazgul) kill Gandalf (a wizard). Sorry by mi english. Is not my common tongue. I hope get the point.
I fucking swear, if they never make a movie where there is a giant battle between like, everyone ever, I will fucking die. ((Only movie I would let Michael Bay direct, btw))
Vader’s one weakness was lightning, but Vader was quicker than Gandalf, so he could block the attacks.Even though Vader using force lightning is annoying because he isn’t capable of doing that, the outcome is the same.
Actually he can in Legends and EU territory. He used it before. Its just his newer suit that he used in a new hope was slower and weaker to force lightning
Biggest thing that bugs me about the. Way this was done is that the outcome is decided with a poll, especially since the general populace of the internet is oblivious to the more obscure works of tolkien like the silmirillion and what have you, in some of those stories and books gandalf levels city sized fortresses and sets entire battlefeilds on fire with lightning also his fight with the balrog wasn't just. A physical battle, it was also telepathic in nature Basically durin's bane and gandalf were dueling up a mountain while mind raping each other and mind rape especially between too well matched combatants is something difficult to capture visually if not impossible
I think Emperor Palpatine would have been a much better opponent to Gandalf
Palpatine would utterly destroy Gandalf to be honest
Palpatine should battle Sauron (when Sauron had a body).
Gandalf literally would just wave his walking stick and Palpatine would be unable to move....just stop lol
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Gandalf would have no chance against Palpatine...... palpatine will just hit him with force lightning and he is directly dead.
No obvious that the predetor is the best
That Anakin and Darth Vader battle was badass
I agree it was sick
Yes it was
It’s true
Having Gandalf turn himself into Anakin so Vader can face himself. That's just very clever writting
Kinda symbolic in the sense that Anakin is still there.
i find your lack of star wars knowledge disturbing
tom skywalker indeed truly disturbing
Wouldn't Vader be able to just instantly choke him to death
@MrMichael Afton its darth vader not dark vader
tom skywalker Really bro force lightning I’m dead 😂😂😂
@@moonlight5031 gandalf is a angel or god of natur something like that. not a man, just carrys the body of a old man. he is a mayar. one of the ainur and has even playd a role in the ainulindale/creation of arda (the world) just like sauron to is a mayar.
"I know young Anakin's tactics"
Immediately gets hand cut off
@Darth Zannah 6:56
But did he actually get his hand cut off or was that some magic
@@benchotka5768 yes, that's why he had to use the Force to summon it back
@@Viking_Luchador uhh
@@jeanrodriguez2078 yes?
People talking about Vader using force lightning, and here I am more offended by a hobbit with a beard.
Brett Eide facts i agree
Lol me too
You would think that LOTR fanboys would be far more upset since Gandalf lost while possessing one the most powerful artifacts in nerdom. At this point if I got the opportunity to direct a Star Wars film I would instead turn em down and have the studio just come out with make your damn Star Wars movies apps vs pandering to a bunch sad pathetic beta males whining over the internet.
Brett Eide Stoor hobbits could have beards.
@@garyjones2561 and Vader could actually use force lighting as well but he simply refused to Dew it.
The actor portraying Anakin did a really really good Anakin. He even felt like Anakin. Superb job. Vader's voice is also faithfully menacing as well. The fight between Vader and Anakin seems so real and believable. :)
The person portraying Anakin was Bryan from the UA-cam channel Always Believe.
That was the best part! Even though Anakin/Vader does NOT have Firce LIGHTNING ability
He's been cosplaying as Anakin with his friend as Obi Wan at Comic Con recreating their fight on Mustafar before he met his Ashleigh, his Padme.
The Anakin actor also looks more like Mark Hamill than Hayden Christensen does.
That guy could have been Hayden Christensen's twin brother!
The majority of people who voted obviously dont know the full extent of Gandalf's powers.
Agreed.
you do not realize the full power of the dark side...
What do you expect? They probably only know him from the films.
GreenZubat
indeed
Ivyn Taasin cant read so he waits for the movies. hence the star wars quote. read a book.
Gandolph: "You can't use force lightning! Its rediculous its unfair!"
Vader: "Perhaps you feel that you've been treated unfairly?"
Pray I don't alter the deal!
Vader: The wizard's sword has as much or even more power than my lightsaber. Boy, gather your master's sword and perhaps I shall allow you to live. With this ring and sword, I shall become what my master could not. Now sword of Gandalf,.We shall see how you bleed.
You shouldn't have come here old man.
Sadly you spell Gandolph which is Gandalf. This video is a hoax, a fanboy made up video. With lack of knowledge, passionless, fools who don't read books only comics. You don't know who's Olorín, Gandalf. Go do more research.
@@immortal_jairo88 actually, while I agree its rigged in Vader's favor, it was other fanboys who voted for the rigging in Vader's favor
Five seconds into the fight, Vader uses lightning.
Bullshit.
it looked cool
AtomixxLP
It also would have looked cool if Gandalf would have shot lasers from his eyes, while breathing fire. But it would have been stupid.
L0L
Kenice
You mean Kinetite? Because Kinetite looks nothing like that, it's a sphere of electricity mixed with kinetic energy.
It's an obscure technique, that's generated away from the user's body. Which makes it perfect for Vader, who's mechanical hands are literally incapable of channeling traditional force lightning, at least not without electrocuting Vader himself.
Furthermore, Vader was only able to use it because of his close proximity to the Kaiburr crystal.
You obviously don't know much about Star Wars, do you?
yeah rip, I meant kinetite.
Darth Vader vs Anakin this is best moment and epic!!! So cool.
Anakin at his full power would win
@@sharlenegertruida7110 but he didn’t defeat the high ground
Anakin is vader
i know right omg
high ground defeat both of them
Darth vader can't shoot force lightning
+Lachlan Tang Yes he can. He just never really uses it due to him being mostly machine.
Frieza Cold
Darth Vader cannot use Force Lightning because of his severed arms. Robotic parts cannot summon Force Lightning. Get your facts straight
Lachlan Tang His arms are not severed his legs are. His arms are severly burned only.
No. OH MY GOD! In Episode 2 Attack of the Clones, Count Dooku cut his right arm off and in Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan Kenobi cut his left arm and both his legs off. Get your facts right bro
Lachlan Tang Fine whatever. I was never a Star Wars fanatic and its been years since I seen it.
Christopher Lee portrayed both Sauraman and Count Dooku. When asked which character would be victorious in battle, Mr. Lee, said that it was a silly question, and home field would give advantage, but gave the edge to the wizard.
Saruman.
the research in Darth Vader is weak with these ones....
just because of force lightning?
can force lightning as a darksider can emit it from anywhere. They usually choose their hands. Just because he has a robotic limb doesn't mean he can't use it.
He knows how to master force lightning, but he simply can't duo to his suit. It would cause too much damage and he would eventually die
Motomori Tonburi no he cant use it he has robotic hands look it up
I did, and that's non canon
It's simple as this: Gandalf is a Maia,a creature created by the Valar,the gods of Tolkien's Universe.Gandalf has an incredible enormous power,more than possibly any Jedi or Sith could even slightly reach,and his powers doesn't just apply to force fields,enchanting his sword or tricking minds.So Vader couldn't possibly defeat him,although the battle would be intense and long.
The result of this battle is,as way many on this channel,given by the fans,not by the facts.
Him against post-mastery Luke Skywalker would've been a more interesting fight.
Ha ha ha ha, sorry, ha ha ha ha.
Yah. The only thing Vader won here was having a troupe of fanboys
And yet, in the movies the only power he displays is creating a very bright light😂
@@kylekuhn5882 That is because he swore an oath to never be in his true form in his quest to help and guide the people of middle earth.
If we take aside the fact, that he could dispel any force power Vader could throw at him with a flicker of his eye, since the force in comparison to power given by pretty much god would be just illusion, Gandalfs true form would be allowed since this isn‘t anymore just about middle earth, but the whole of Arda (middle earth is the continent, and Arda the world). His true form would be an almost biblical angel. Something we cannot fully comprehend without going mad. Vader isn‘t able to win this one.
Vader using lightning... Someone didn't do the research homework.
He doesn't really do it in the movies but he uses it in games.
yup
Actually Vader does have lightning
first of all he cant yes also since when does Gandalf have a freaking lightsaber staff i mean why
poda
the only reason "anakin" lost in this fight, was because vader has been battling anakin in his mind 24/7
how is this not one of the most liked comments??
@@Viking_Luchador holy shit someone actually noticed me
@@swaglevi4315 I feel like that all the time 🤷♂️
been watching @batinthesun since MySpace, felt like revisiting the classics for my Bday. And after 8 years, I still can't let it go: VADER CANNOT USE FORCE LIGHTNING!
@@Viking_Luchador i mean, technically he can. it's just that his suit is blocking him from using that high a level of force move
@@Viking_Luchador anyways happy birthday man!
Men... Vader is incapable of throwing force electric rays. His armor and cybernetic implants were designed to stop him from doing such force technique.
Presiciy!
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kinetite
It’s treason, then.
No he's fucking not 😂😂 its in the comics. Its not lightening persay but very close to it. Jeez
Presicily my fellow Star Wars nerd. He is just simply incapable of producing such thing with out frying his self
No matter the outcome and Vader using lightning, can we all just agree that the actor for Anakin Skywalker was on point.
I think that he also looks more like Mark Hamill than Hayden Christensen does.
Didn't look like vader was using lightning, more like absorbing it with tutiminus.
Doesn’t Vader use force lightning in legends
Vader: uses force lightning
Me: wait that’s ILLEGAL!!!!
That shit was cool tbh even though he technically can't
He used force lightning before in Force Unleashed 2..
It’s Kinetite!
He can but it is weaker than the light side version of the lightning. It's sad how much Vader was nerfed
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The problem with killing Gandalf the Grey is that he won't leave it there. If you strike him down, he really does become more powerful, and reincarnates as Gandalf the White.
a better match would have been Emperor Palpatine vs Gandalf. Just sayin
WOW yeah!
Grand Theft Gamer not really. Gandalf would've died a more painful death
Grand Theft Gamer Nope. Gandalf would be fried to f*ck. Also Sidious in the EU has survived ROTJ, lived in clone bodies, ripped wormholes in space and destroyed entire rebel fleets, and teleported people across the galaxy. Or Sidious could just speedblitz and hack him up to pieces with his lightsaber.
Grand Theft Gamer Old Normal Wizard VS Old SPACE Wizard... I'd hella watch that
Jackspedicey 2
Count Dooku VS Saruman. Needs to happen! Btw those "comic nerds" doesn't know that Vader can't use Sith lightning because of his Mustafar injuries.
You have become powerful my Apprentice.
Emperor Palpatine Indeed... What is my bidding, my master?
+Anakin Skywalker HAHAHAHAHA OMG THIS MADE MY YEAR
+Anakin Skywalker you're a legend
+Emperor Palpatine the force is strong with me my lord train me teach me the ways of the dark side of the force
5:20
you guys missed out on such a good movie quote for this part for Darth Vader!
“you cannot hide forever”
and at the end he could have said " all too easy"
As much as I love Star Wars and Darth Vader.... I'm pretty sure Gandalf would win :(
+Catter Peener I would rather see Gandalf be set against Elminster Aumar from D&D Forgotten Realms if all possible, for Elminster Aumar is Gandalf's True Rival & Ultimate Imitator for different reasons since August of 1987, still remains that way to this day.
+Catter Peener Why?
+Catter Peener only a jedi can defeat the dark side and gandalf is not a jedi:D
As Much As I Love Gandalf And Lord Of The Rings I Am Going To Say Vader Would Win Because He Is An Awesome Character
+Catter Peener you underestimate the power of the dark side
lets fight burger king vs mc donalds
milly nord yes... ronald vs the king lololololol please! make them throw chicken nuggets at each other!
The Racka Racka made a similar video.
+milly nord kfc vs mc donalds will be better
+Joe Xnsa There is already a video that did that...
+milly nord yes
Vader doesn't have force lightning wtf lol.
actually he does... it's powered by his suit.... it's just not as powerful as the regular force lightning.
Jairo Buchting
Really? i thought due to his mechanical arms he was unable to conjure sith lightning...what do you mean powered by the suit?
his suit has power to create force lightning... it's just not as strong
Jairo Buchting
I'm reading from a different cannon sources that the same thing "his mechanical arms prevent him from creating Force lightning"
What are you reading?
Technically, he can't create force lightning because it would risk damage to his life support, not because of his organic limbs. Theoretically, he could generate it, but it would be risky to do.
However, Vader can generate a form of lightning called Kinetite, which he probably used in the video.
Vader's suit CAN NOT generate lightning.
Gandalf lost to Count Dooku in Lord of the Rings the 2 Towers- of course he's going to lose to Darth Vader.
Dooku is fucking strong af, he'd beaten Anakin and obi wan twice and nearly bested Yoda also the suit stunts Vader even further
Actually that was fellowship. As Gandalf the White, Saruman(or in this case Dooko) didnt and wouldnt stand a chance
@@maxmcvey8425 I stand corrected!
@@billmarrison9090 but yea Gandalf the Grey did get pretty smacked about by him btw sorry if that previous comment was rude at all wasnt meaning to come off like that 😂😂
@@maxmcvey8425 no offense taken!
The Anakin actor is way hotter than Hayden.
+Pocket Heart
yeah
***** No he didn't. He's been a great actor everywhere else, and his VISUAL acting even in Ep 2 and 3 is really great. His line delivery is garbage, and so is Natalie Portman's, another good actor in every other movie. No, he didn't ruin Star Wars, George Lucas' retarded "directing" did.
***** Maybe not, but my point is I don't think he would have ruined the film if he had a director that wasn't batshit.
+Pocket Heart "they ruined starwars" still watches it.
+nate “rocker” rackenstien Next to jar jar binks and the actor who played anakin as a child, i'm starting to notice a trend of anakin actors being absolute shit.
(puts on the ring - realizes you need flesh and blood fingers)"NOOOO!"
Vader cant use force lightning
Captain Hotdog yeah I thought that was sketchy too, ut technically he can, he just doesn't because he hasn't mastered it, plus it's too detrimental to his respiratory system.
In depth, both his hands were burnt and replaced with cybernetics making it to where if he used it the electricity would flow through the hands, up the body and use it against himself
Captain Hotdog
he uses kinettece which is a string of force lightning that doesnt harm him
kinetite
Captain Hotdog His suit has a FORM of lighning
Wow! I got the "heebie jeebies" when Gandalph transformed into Anakin! What an amazing plot twist and a truly epic battle! Remember, not only does Gandalph possess incredible magic power, but he is also 24 thousand years old, and is in reality a supernatural being who defeated a Balrog in hand-to-hand combat! Gandalph should have won!
Ouch. Vader and Force lightning don't get along. Vader almost killed himself when he did it.
A staff can't become a lightsaber type thing.
Vader can't use force lightning. You need actual limbs to channel the energy, a quality which he sorely lacks.
Wow... Talk about savage
+Grandmaster Sub-Zero its the truth
+Xavi Golden Shit, I was going to say that. Good point. Vader can't use force lightning. It's established cannon.
+Xavi Golden He could , bot it hurts him more than the opponent
+Alketezer tak He can * , but * xd
You do not know the power of the dark side.
OCDgamer Yeah, it can choke a normal man to death... I mean hey, so can a peanut, but hey that's from an ALLERGY-- or if it gets stuck on the way or something. So if Gandalf hasn't been tested for asthma, he'd better watch out, or Vader use the Force to peel the "contains nuts" warning-label off the crumpets at tea-time-- AND spill his teacup to keep him from washing it down!
And the power to destroy a planet is NOTHING compared to that, right?
Tom Evans lol
Ryan Christopher Seriously, these Vader-fans talk about the great "power" of the Force, obviously leeching from the EU-- but what hae we EVER seen it actually do, other than allow someone to see one second into the future, or lift a small ship, or fool idiots?
Gandalf can see YEARS into the future, sink ISLANDS, and communicate telepathically.
Gandalf can beat Vader anytime he wants.
Tom Evans EXACTLY
Ryan Christopher I just hear the song Mean Green Mother whenever they flap their yaps about Big Bad Vader taking down some little old man.... "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MESSIN' WITH!"
It ain't Obi-wan Kenobi, I'll tell you that.
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor... the Dark Side will not avail you, Lame of Anakin. YOU CANNOT PASS!"
If there ever is an alternative ending in the future, does Gandalf just use Anakin the whole fight to beat Vader?
I would just become a rock giant and beat the shit out of vader, since Gandalf can be whatever he wants
@@yes3545 tell Gandalf to become made of sand :)
@@archferrier4482 fuckin why?
@@yes3545 to scare Darth vader everybody knos anakin hates sand
@@archferrier4482 ooooh, yeah I'm not much a star wars guy but that's a great idea
i find your lack of accuracy disturbing
lol i was thinking the same frase
It's a trap! the research is not strong with this one
The videos are decided by fans moron so it doesn't matter if the battle is one sided or not whoever the fans decide wins
It's a trap! I passed
I passed
Don't bother scrolling down the comments cos nearly everyone is talking about Vader using Force lightning
He can't
christopher carlisle He did once in comics
@@alpborakirte801 in old cannon..
Attention seeker
@@christophercarlisle7887 Correct but he can use "Kinetite" a variation of Force Lightning.
Gandalf's magic has alot of unpredictable things, whereas Vader's skillset is well known and fairly straight forward. However, Tolkien always crafted Gandalf as someone that was capable of more but only used exactly what power he needed to at the exact right time, same so with the elves. That unpredictability of what he can actually do makes me lean towards Gandalf.
There's a mistake here. Vader can't use Force Lightning because his suit is highly sensitive to electrical discharges. The lowest intensity bursts can cause his limbs to seize up while higher intensities can damage everything and kill him. If he tries using it, he's gonna end up doing more damage to himself than his opponent, and end up killing himself
Props to the people who made this for respect the votes, but this would never happen. Gandalf (even when he was "just" Gandalf the Grey) is a divine being in the LOTRverse, there is no way Darth Vader would be able to take him.
I believe I saw a scene where the Witch King was easily able to defeat Gandalf the White, and the Witch King is not a divine being.
That was just the movies trying to boss up the Wicth King; it doesn't happen like that in the books. That said, however, the ring-wraithes draw their power from a (previously) divine being, so the Witch King is still above Vader anyway, I think.
GreenZubat Y'know, technically, the force is a divine being, and Vader, like all other Jedi and Sith, draws his power directly from it. So Vader is AT LEAST Witch-King level.
Ok, I did not know if that scene was cannon or not. I would say Vader is about equal to the Witch King, but I do not know how Gandalf would fair against the Witch King, and that is Gandalf the White I am referring too. All in all I would say Vader could take Gandalf the Grey, but not Gandalf the White.
Ohai Driku The force is not divine, it's just mystical in a vague way. Ironically, the force is more akin to magic, and jedi to wizards, in the proper sense most people think of than the LotR "wizards", who are actually five angels sent by God (Eru Illuvatar) to repel Sauron. At the end of the day, for all his dark side powers, Vader is still just a mortal man, below the immortal, divine Gandalf. In this respect, I find it hard to believe Vader would be more powerful than Gandalf (Grey or White).
"Darth Vader, you just defeated Gandalf and took the One Ring. What are you going to do now?"
"I'm going to make Sauron my bitch!"
5:07 he runs like captain jack sparrow
Ahhahahahah so true
Vader:your master is defeated,now hand me the ring
"The dude literally gives him a dvd of the ring🤣"
*'The force flows around us, it binds us, it also crushes old men's wind pipes.'* That should have been what Old Ben told Luke.
Darth Vader cannot use force lightning!
Exactly!
The lightning he uses comes from his suit but he can use a sort of lightning I think
@@slightchance3502 where in canon or movies do we see it?
The Emperor can use force lightning why wouldn't Vader?
@Luc Germain You're correct.
Gandalf the White would have kicked Darth Vader's behind.
Saruman Vs Dooku.
just do it
Interesting they both had same actors in those movies :D, its Christopher Lee
PES 4 EVER I think that was the point
xD yeah
rip such a genius actor
Plus Scaramanga and Dracula.
When you don't know enough of both franchises
Gandalf doesn't do that
Who cares it was epic.
@@xshullaw Who cares about epic. We care about a genuine discussion.
@@vampirethespiderbatgod9740 It wasn't a discussion until you commented.
Neither vader, vader would just insta crush that old mans neck
@@Intellectual_Paradigm-Jedi You're illiterate.
Gandalf isn't an old man. There, some knowledge for your childish brain.
Darth Sidious: So how was your mission Lord Vader?
Darth Vador: I have the ring.
Darth Sidious: What is this? A Proposal?
***** *Unchained melody starts playing
P.S. a new fanfiction is born :-)
Question to the book nerds.
What does the ring 'exactly' do? Aside from the already cool invisibilty and turning 'people' into Gollum?
+Valdemire Kreshnov As far as I understand, it gives you power depending on how powerful you already are. That is why Gandalf did not wanted to even touch the ring he said that the power would be too terrible for him to wield. Also it controls the other rings and gives mind control abilities.
Thank you. The movies weren't clear aside from the line, "One ring to rule them all."
I know it sounds simple.. but, it's really vague.
+Valdemire Kreshnov The One Ring doesn't do anything to anyone, aside from the invisibility thing :).
To be honest, we don't know what other powers it could grant, as the only person to wear the ring, aside from Bilbo and Frodo, was Isildur, and even he didn't note any other powers. To put it simply, the ONE Ring will corrupt the user into a pale imitation of Sauron.
I think what Farrex was getting at with "powers" was the other rings, which did grant various other powers, though in the end they were ultimately created to be controlled by the One.
Not sure where the "mind control" abilities comes from, because wouldn't Gollum have been able to just mind control Bilbo? Or exibit some formof mind control in the caves? But he doesn't. It has mind control powers ONLY for the one that created it.
Then again, it HAS been a long time since I've read through Tolkiens earlier works, so I could be mistaken :)
sapherno11 I have not read Simarillion nor the Hobbit book, but a friend that has, told me that it has mind control abilities. That through those mind control abilities was the way that Sauron tricked everyone into thinking that he was an Elf and was able to give the rings. Also several people in other comments here mentioned the mind control abilities.
As for the power one I have heard several people mention it on the internet and I simply thought it was real, people that they claim that they have read the books several times, but well you never know. Also when Gandalf refuses to take the ring in the Shire, he says that if he touches the ring the power would be too terrible for him to wield.
Also it does not turn you invisible, it rather brings you to wraith world, where someone with knowledge of the wraith world could take advantage of it, but for a hobbit that knows nothing of the wraith world, well he just becomes invisible and sees some weird shit.
I've read both, and from what your friend said, I don't think he read them either, or very well.
Basically, what happened was Morgoth, The Enemy, was defeated, and Sauron took his place. He attempted to destroy the Numenoreans, and eventually did so by tricking them, making them think, through treachery and deciet that he had "repented", when he had not. One of the ways he made them think he had changed, was he granted them knowledge of the Maia, specifically the Rings of Power. However, nobody knew he had made the Rings to rule all until HE put on the Ruling Ring, and the Elves knew, and warned the others, though it was far too late to save Numenor.
Everyone knew Sauron was NOT an elf though, they knew he was a Maia.
Not to point holes again, but just because someone mentions it, doesn't mean its true. the RULING Ring DOES have mind control powers. ONLY for Sauron, that effect does not work with anyone else. And each of the regular Rings of Power, the ones with actual powers, Gave the strength to "Govern each Race". Same with the "Powers". As far as I know, it only grants additional powers TO Sauron, or rather, to the Master of the Ring, and to no other. The other rings did grant additional powers, though at terrible cost.
I"m well aware what Gandalf says, and more specifically, he says this. "I would wield this power for Good, but Through me, the Ring would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine." Meaning that if Gandalf had attempted to use the Ring, he would have become, possibly, more great and terrible a threat then Sauron ever had, Controlled by the power of the One Ring, corrupted by it, and becoming a pale shadow of Sauron.
Voldemort vs Vader
Luke skywalker vs harry potter
+Kushagra Agrawal deathbattle did it
omg yes! Luke vs Potter
+Riley Fisher any jedi could win. or if i was a jedi i would use the same tactic with evryone but this one could have a diff one. for take the wand snap it in 2 and thier fucked
darth vader cant shoot lightning from the hands
Артём Гончаров just like any dark side users...
Louis-Philippe Nault use wikipedia smartass
Артём Гончаров While it's true that Vader can't use force lightning, he can create a condensed ball of electricity from thin air in front of him and use that to attack in more or less the same way force lightning works... I don't remember the name of the technique now, but it appears in one of the comics. Basically he uses the force to create force lightning in a way that doesn't come in contact with him. It's one of the several things Vader learned to adapt when using the force in his suit, like how he changed his fightning style to adapt to the suit's weight, and other things like that.
Persona Ohnlyne i hope that you will find girlfriend someday
Артём Гончаров
I don't wanna find one. What for? So we can eventually get married, have children, have them live in this forsaken planet full of violence, injustice and death so they can repeat the whol thing over and over in a never ending cycle of doom and human despair?
Vader using Force Lightning is ridiculous, over 70% of his body is mechanical, an electrical current would fuck up his suit, just like it did when the Emepror zapped him in Return of the Jedi, his breathing became all fucked up.
Not necessarily, long as he could concentrate it to solely his hands and made sure it was never deflected lol
still his force powers are still not as good as they can be due the the cyber parts
Javaughn Brantley Metal conducts electricity so he doesn't really get a choice
Javaughn Brantley His hands are made out of metal...
His left one isn't.
“Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen”
Both were perfect as Anakin you can’t change my mind
ok good for you
6:00 The battle all Star Wars nerds have been wanting to see.
Vader says he's come for the ring and Vandolf's response was you shall not pass...wtf?
I mean Gandalf
tashawn griffith Why didn't Gandalf just say USE THE RING, FRODO!Vader would have a tough time finding an invsibile hobbit.... and Frodo would get all Merry and stab him in the ass.
Lol...ikr
Tom Evans thank you! someone realized!
tashawn griffith Whos Vandalf? lol i think you meant to put a G lol
Soo here’s some knowledge for you
Gandalf: is over 7,000 years old in TLOR
Is basically a god in human form not a mere wizard
Has fought and beaten other Demi/semi gods in the series
Lord Vader: exceedingly skilled in the force and swordplay
One of the toughest warriors in his galaxy
Pretty sure wouldn’t be able to use the lightning bc of his cybernetics (he’d prob EMP himself)
Vader is badass! No question there.
Gandalf is a deity.
This isn’t a fight, it’s a dream.
Yup, being a deity / avatar, he can't even die.
I forgot what other force power Vader has is called but it's like force lightning but it is more on the side of kinetic energy. Plo Koon also uses this power
... Lord Vader... Has the ring... oh my god. We are all fucked.
I love to scroll down the comments and see a bunch of nerds fighting about a UA-cam video
+Aljaž Mihelčič Or sheer amount of "Vader can't use force lightning", "gandalf can't block lightsabers", "magic is not force", "Vader is conduit of Force and force is omnipotent so he must be omnipotent". Or whole "which one is stronger". I mean, can't we just enjoy the nice visuals and over-glorified version of showing fan option polls? They could just cut to point where after asking random people "who would win?" just show the numbers and say "Yeah, Vader would win by vote because 7% of more fans." Put up a crappy 10-frame animation of Vader force-chocking Gandalf, video done. Instead because they don't go to 60-minute length combat movie taking in according EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF LORE (for Gandalf, it exists in form of three books, bunch of movies and at least three roleplaying supplements, and for Vader... Sheesh, not going to even count those book/comic numbers!), people turn really salty about everything in it.
+Eltharrion True 😂
+Aljaž Mihelčič One of the lesser appreciated joys of life.
+Eltharrion Yeah but for real VADER DOESNT DO FORCE LIGHTNING. My god anybody who watched star wars should know that. Things like this should be done by nerds for nerds. People that dont even know this basic shit shouldnt do videos about them. Dont get me wrong theres alot of other super power beatdowns I enjoy, but just the fact that they rely on fanvotes to see who wins is just bullshit.
As nice as the visual effects are alot of other stuff is bullshit...
w00ds98 Then what about people who are not considered "nerds", are they disallowed to like or create material like this? For example myself, I am not 100% familiar with SW's Extended Universe. More like knowing only 3-10% of it, thus really making me "not SW nerd/geek". Should I be disallowed to comment here?
They are clearly stating at start of video and throughout that they base this on votes, and simply re-create what they think is cool and enjoying to watch based on those fan votes. Votes that, seeing their usual vote base, doesn't know jackshit about stuff they vote for. In more than few episodes, I've seen voters state facts that are completely wrong. These are not studied facts or outcomes like for example Death Battles claim to be.
I am not saying one cannot be disappointed at it, but I am simply directing my previous comment to people that start a flame war over this when they admit they are not using any scientific measurements. Those people who are calling this video favored are true, since this is a video made BY fans, FOR fans. Not nerds, not critics, not masters of lore. Just fans who like something VERY much. And even if like it, have not studied it to bone and soul.
If one is not allowed to like something without learning everything of it, then I suppose I need to start hating the entire world soon.
And that is all you can quote me on this one.
Gandalf calling Vader "Anakin" is the last mistake he'll ever make, knowing that Vader hates the name Anakin now.
"That name has no longer any meaning for me!"
I come here for the fights, but stay for the fanboy tears… num, num, num, num, num.
Delicious.
Jonathan Covington i only got upset with the Captain America Vs Master Chief ;-;
They do it depending on the VOTES so its not really good
what about when gandalf the grey dies he becomes the white wizard
Exactly what I was thinking.
So he should have won
Naw, if they fought, the world and galaxy would be gone
he didint die, he level up!!!
Who was the actor for Anakin in this one? He did amazing!
Wait the win by whoever gets the most VOTES!!?!?!?!?! That must be why captain america beat master chief...
Well, they can't decide all by themselves, have you seen how the votes are close to each other ?
On the master chief vs captain America they asked more old people than young so the old didn't know a thing about the chief.
Captain America is SUPER human, master chief is not
1terraforce Are you kidding me? Someone doesn't know shit.
Chief is just as much 'super' as Cap. If not more so. He stands at 7 feet tall, and weighs half a ton in his suit. In the books, Spartan II's can lift 4 to 5 times the weight of a normal man and run at least twice as fast. He's the ultimate super soldier and was bred to be just that. Same as Cap. Except, 500 years in the future. Safe to say, Chief is likely to have more advanced fighting techniques, not even mentioning techinology.
ok, i'm not here to argue about who would win. (and although i have never played halo, i was lmao when read the "master chief is not" :D speaking about arguing without knowing anything about one side or the other)
so i'm here to clarify a bit about the voting. there is no other way to tell who would win, and i mean in general not in a particular fight.
the victor in a battle would depend on who is the writer.
oh, also about the Danicx11 comment. the voting is not the thing they show at the different comic cons and such, the real voting is done on the internet, so it is more or less census pull.
....So when do we see the Rematch with Darth Vader VS Gandalf the White!?
Vader killed gandalf the grey but gandalf the white is far more powerful
I agree
Gandalf use Europop Nod...
Darth Vader is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion
It's super effective!
Gandalf win!
where in the movies did he ever exhibit power close to vader's?
serious question
Charles Thomas If he can be Anakin, he can be Superman too
Saw cuz man What about Gandalf the Black bro
Kinetite: Because Vader's suit makes the use of Force Lightning incredibly dangerous, Vader can shoot balls of pure kinetic energy as an alternative. Darth Vader knows how to use the ability but it would cripple him in the process, so he found that to use instead. Stop freaking about Force Lightning.
Gandalf is actually 3000 years old(Silmarillion), Gandalf has greater power as White than any other being in Middle Earth with the only exception of Sauron, his magical talents exceed almost any other being in Middle Earth and he comes back to life as White after being Grey..Vader would lose.
the thing is, Gandalf kind of lacked the will to kill. also the whole being partly immortal thing comes into play, yes vader would not be able to kill him permanently but a lightsaber to the gut would put a bitch out of commission for a few days
NoESanity Lacked the will to kill?
Tell that to the scores of orcs, goblins and uruk hai that he casually gave a towing to during the battles.
Autumn Gaslight yes because killing a good guy gone bad is totally as easy as killing the imaginary friends of the fucking devil made flesh
That's why he got beat hehe
You just didn't specify who he didn't intend to kill :P
If it means anything, I was with Vader all the way :)
Gandalf is actually in the range of 54,000 years old.
u got so many stuff wrong, for one, vader cannot use force lightning, ever.
He was able to, but never used it.
Alexander Ruiz no he wasn't, due to his cybernetics, any attempt he made to use force lightning back fired on him badly.
SPONGESWAGLOLMYD do you have any idea about star wars?
SPONGESWAGLOLMYD no he's right force lightning would cause a short circuit
He CAN use it! He just never uses it. He doesn't NEED force lightning!!! He is powerful enough so if he wanted to he could have ended the battle sooner..... He just thought it was amusing for gandalf to try to beat him.
Just because Gandalf uses an illusion to look like Anakin don't mean he can fight like him.
that's why they call it magic! who are we to say where it begins and where it ends. ....
Yeah cuz it's made up
Yes magic is made up its not real, I liked that Gandalf used anothe form of wizardry, trickery to try and best hes opponent
Let me forever bury this argument once and for all. Vader was using "Kinetite" however the creators of this dual got the details of Kinetite incorrectly and made it look like a common Force Lightning. So there you go case closed.
Thank you!
Millar Slovak wait what’s kinetite
Vader wasn't even doing that. He was blocking Gandalf's lightning attack
6:21 This guy should have been Anakin. Dude I swear Hayden does not feel canon at all anymore. I've been binge watching the Clone Wars so much lately and that portrayal is perfect......Plus, he looks like Luke which is a +1
Damian Wayne™ 6:40 LOOK AT THAT, he actually looks like Luke's father haha
Ehhh....I still prefer Hayden. He looks a lot like a live action version of clone wars anakin though. But Hayden will always be Anakin to me, it's just burned into my brain even though he wasn't that good. If they remade the prequels and used this guy my brain would refuse it as canon and wonder wtf I'm watching, lol.
Damian Wayne™ I agree, this guy looks like he could be Luke's father.
Damian Wayne™ Yeah, he does have a strong resemblance to Mark Hamill. He would have been my choice for Anakin Skywalker.
The Batman Happy you agree, father.
when is captain america vs master chief coming?
They clearly do not know Gandalf's true form
They didn't put Gandalf the White instead they put form of a jedi which means they are lack knowledge of Tolkien's world.
@@immortal_jairo88 bit like how vader can just rip people in half.....
@@gamerknowledge539 yeah normal people.
@@immortal_jairo88 any... people...
@@gamerknowledge539 i know mortal beings.
They should have used Gandalf the white not grey. They should fight at their best. That being said Vader's power has been described in depth where as Gandalf's really hasn't, Tolken never stated his limits. There for who's to say he couldn't just call down a massive bolt of lightning and fry vader.
I wanted to watch Vaider Vs Gandalf... Not Vader Vs Anikan...
(Sorry if i messed up the Names XD)
Vaider Vs Gandalf Vader vs Anikin
Vader vs Gandalf Vader vs Anakin
I don't know how to spell Vaider...
IS it Vaider or Vader???
(I am a horrble fan XD)
Sergeant Leo It's Vader.
Thank you for the info!
YOU SHALL NOT........OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKK.
Anyway, Gandalf will just come back as a wizard of another color.
5:41 Darth Vader: Your powers are weak old man
I'd complain about the force lightning but hell, it was a good fight and they portrayed both well. Gandalf put up a good fight, and while I'm miffed he lost, he had a good death! So I'm happy. Plus, the Vader vs Anakin bit was REAL good stuff!
Good death? I don't think getting your guts cut by a lightsaber is a good death xD
Backon Lazer Not if you're turned on by suck thing. c; It'd be a great death then.
Backon Lazer lol, i meant they didn't make him look stupid, they had him go down fighting as opposed to begging like a weak old man or something
I was waiting for Vader to say: My Precios. It would have been epic
hobbit would likely put the ring on, I was waiting for the middle finger in through the ring when it was in the air.
that would be hilarious .d
Catastrophically underrated comment, that would be amazing
That would have been fun
tengokunoshi me 2
I was waiting for Gandalf the White to come pounding back in all like - “Death just makes me brighter!”
I think everything in this video is fairly accurate except for the fact that Frodo wouldn’t give up the ring that easily. Whether or not it already had hold of him.
In what way is this fairly accurate it's literally outright stated that it's rigged Invaders favor also gandalf could've just used a lightning spell or something along those lines.
Darth Vader most likely used the force forcing Frodos hand open.
So, this leaves Vader with: Soul Calibur, Soul Edge and the One Ring?
I guess so yep!
Ummm, Vader would have lost from the get go using force lightning, it causes him more pain than it would to his enemies... So the way THIS fight started, Vader would have lost pretty damn quickly. Otherwise, yeah, Vader would probably win.
No. He CAN NOT use force lightning no matter what. Impossible for him.
Well I know that, they didn't! Just saying that IF he could, he would have fucked himself over! XD
Can vader take down a Balrog, no I don't think so, also gandalf is a maiar equivalent do an archangel or Demi God so this fight is stupid
RoguePig Herbert He can take down a balrog. He can throw his lightsaber into the balrog's stomach, and use the force to turn it on while it's inside of the monster.
is a balrog ever shown in star wars, no so you cant prove that stupid fuck vader whos overrated as fuck can kill a balrog but i can cause its shown in both movie and book, Check mate
I don't remember Darth Vader ever using force lightning. I believe he couldn't use it because he had mechanical limbs.
exactly.. and you are right sir!
He only used it once- when he was influenced by a insanely powerful force crystal which was taken by the rebels. Otherwise you are right.
as per George Lucas it actually is one of his powers... and we all know the creator is always right
alex darocha Yeah, but when he adds or changes what we know about the SW universe suddenly, it becomes annoying. It may be fan made, and he has the final say, but the whole Vader/Force lightning thing is more common sense- it isn't possible with robotic arms, as the midi-chlorians are used to channel the Force- you can't channel powerful Force energy through your fingers if you don't have any. Besides, the Force choke/ push/pull stuff is more passive than lighting, it's change using the Force as a conduit on an area/ target (why Vader has those powers)- whereas the lighting is a directed aggressive attack.
And yes, I am a Star Wars nerd :)
Vader: I know young Anakin's tactics.
Well he is fighting himself so he knows his own Tactics.
it must be Gandalf vs Dumbledore -_-
gandalf vs Dumbledore seria demasiado predecible. gandalf vs darth vader es mas interesante y emocionante
gandalf vs darth vader es mas interesante porque son de dos lugares completamente diferentes
DARTH VADER CAN'T USE FORCE LIGHTING!!!!!!!!!! How could you possibly miss something like that?
yes he can.........but only with a force crystal
who said he can't????didnt really try in the old movie to make that comments
Yeah they didint but in a book he used force lighting the thing is Darth Vader can use it but if he does he will end up killing himself in the process but in the book he used it and was never effected by it because of a force crystal
Gandalf the white should have came back and sliced off his other hand. LOL They forgot that ability!
+John Smith He can only do that when he's mostly dead...here I think he's in two pieces....not sure how well the Galadriel can work with that.
Ahh. Good point. But thinking about it. Half a human can live a few minutes. Till he bleeds out. But wouldn't a lightsaber seal the cut?
+John Smith Gandalf isn't a human. He is Maiar which is Middle Earth equivalent of an angel. Gandalf is also immortal and would just be resurrected back. Gandalf also isn't fighting at full strength, since he was restricted from using even a fraction of his powers by Eru. Who is the Middle Earth's equivalent of the God of Abraham. The reason for the restriction because his job was to help the elves, dwarves, hobbits and men fix their problems through guidance and not power. The match up is stupid since you are putting a mortal man "Vader" who happens to be using glorified psychic powers versus an angel "Gandalf" with near limitless powers.
+Soisen TheGuardian - That's the real question in my mind. I know that Gandalf would win in his natural state before he took on the form of an elderly man and hid his true power. But, having done so, would he be able to win without relying on being resurrected?
John Rieping What they keep missing and totally screwed up in the movies (besides his glaring lack of eyebrows, read the description before making a movie assholes, you made the freaking buttons special but forgot eyebrows?..geez...sorry, where was I?) is...he just LOOKS like an old man...he used that to his advantage in the story when dealing with men and such. He is NOT an old man. He is not weak or frail by any means.
He's got fire, lightning, illusions, telekinesis, his staff, Glamdring, one of the lesser rings of power even. Easiest win...blinding flash, chopped in half. Unless Darth's helmet works like welding goggles.
He did not actually die fighting the Balrog, he was very weak, yes, but not dead...Galadriel Healed him....everybody in the story thought he was dead. He became the White at that time because Saruman had gone to the "dark side".
Monty Python would say he was just "mostly" dead.
For all those people who say Vader can't use Force Lightning, yes he can. In both Disney Canon and Legends he uses an external lightning in the form of a Sphere. A sort of Sith ball lightning. He's used in in many fights in both cannons. He may not be able to use it in the way portrayed here, he does possess this ability.
what the fuck are you saying, bro people in 2020 were pretty stupid
Kinetite?
Ans Gandalf is literally part of the maiar literally sngelical beings easily stomp Vader.
Vader Didn't have Force lighting.
Sorries.
I read that according to canon it's cuz he doesn't have actual hands.
VADER CAN'T USE FORCE LIGHTING AGAINST GANDALF HE HAS NO HUMAN HANDS!
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kinetite
it's a matter of perspective really.
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This is a popularity showdown not a legitimate lore based fight. Although it was entertaining.
True, people shouldn't argue about ths results, with this video logic, Justin bieber could kick mike taison's ass becouse he has more fans but we all know that isn't possible.
Fun video but not even near of what both characters could do in a real battle.
marcos bustos You actually can't argue about the results even with lore based facts, those are two different universes...
Wouldn't Darth Vader have to take on Sauron if he takes the ring?
Not until the ring reaches Sauron which could take hundreds or thousands of years and the ring could change bearers within that time.
Fighting Sauron with the Ring is the last thing you want to do, just ask Celebrimbor.
If Darth Vader returned to the galaxy far far away, he wouldn't have to.
The other option of taking on Sauron is not in Vaders favor. As Sauron is the rings one true master, they are a part of each other and it would betray Vader somehow into his own demise.
Well he couldnt beat gandalf factually, as this was voted on by random ass people
Brett Holtz You do realize that's not how the ring works... The ring has 1 true master and seeing how easily Anakin was corrupted from the light to dark, Sauron would easily take full control of him even more than Palpatine. Sauron is the great deceiver, the ring only has 1 master, Sauron. Sauron wouldn't destroy Vader, he would use him.
Since this battle took place on Middle Earth Gandalf would immediately be restored to life in a more powerful form because the God of that universe Eru Illuvatar is Gandalf's bro. Not to mention if he killed Gandalf he would have to contend with the angelic host of the Valar who would bitch slap his cybernetic ass out of existence.
best comment ever xD
jdreyn02 illuvatar isnt gandalfs bro illuvatar IS the creator of eru
The most informed comment I've read so far. The host of the Valar is a force to be reckoned with but its counterpart would be the imperial army which would have the upper hand simply because they can attack from space (not to mention the Death Star). In a duel, however, Gandalf will eventually prevail, simply because Vader, despite his abilities, is human. Gandalf is a Maia, just like Sauron, which is basically a species of angels. Their physical bodies can be destroyed, their "spirits" weakened but they cannot truly die. Gandalf may disguise himself as an old man but he possesses superhuman strength and agility. So even if Vader manages to defeat him, this would merely be a setback for Gandalf. Eventually Vader will tire / succumb to his injuries / Gandalf will be empowered by the Valar.
Eru Ilúvatar created the Ainur (gods and angels) who then created Eä (the Universe) and Arda (the planet where Middle Earth is). Also, he's bros with Gandalf.
We nerds will never get laid... low! :)
Man... Vader is Like the Wich King of Angmar, is like a nazgul, is a man seduced by the Darknes, and Palpatine is like Sauron. Is not clear in the silmarillon the origin of Gadalf/Mintrandir/Olorin. But is not equal to Sauron, maybe is a maia like him. And Sauron is a servarn of Firts Dark Lord Melkor. You note that Lucas is inspired on the mithology of Tolkien. Star Wars is similar to the Lord of the Rings in many aspects. So... Maybe Vader (a nazgul) kill Gandalf (a wizard). Sorry by mi english. Is not my common tongue. I hope get the point.
Paulo Fernando De Mare in the 3rd flilm the Witch King almost kills gandalf, You are right
That guy playing Anakin plays a better Anakin that Christiansen.
No
@@Emicraft555 Dude this was 10 years ago...
I fucking swear, if they never make a movie where there is a giant battle between like, everyone ever, I will fucking die. ((Only movie I would let Michael Bay direct, btw))
naw to many explosions
I love your profile pic, your username, and your comment. You win!
the goat king That'd be the point. If you want a battle with a shit ton of comic and movie characters you want explosions don't you?
Since when can Gandalf's staff repel against a freaking lightsaber?!
It wasn't magic that sliced Gandalf.
***** wrong gandalf is 200 years old so he would have more battle exp
That's a fair point, but Vader's respirator can't repel against a lightning bolt.
gandalf puede hacer muchas cosas. es un hechicero muy poderos
Adin S I thought i read gandalf was 7000 years old
Vader’s one weakness was lightning, but Vader was quicker than Gandalf, so he could block the attacks.Even though Vader using force lightning is annoying because he isn’t capable of doing that, the outcome is the same.
Actually he can in Legends and EU territory. He used it before. Its just his newer suit that he used in a new hope was slower and weaker to force lightning
Biggest thing that bugs me about the. Way this was done is that the outcome is decided with a poll, especially since the general populace of the internet is oblivious to the more obscure works of tolkien like the silmirillion and what have you, in some of those stories and books gandalf levels city sized fortresses and sets entire battlefeilds on fire with lightning also his fight with the balrog wasn't just. A physical battle, it was also telepathic in nature
Basically durin's bane and gandalf were dueling up a mountain while mind raping each other and mind rape especially between too well matched combatants is something difficult to capture visually if not impossible
Thank you! Finally someone who knows the middle earth saga.