actually so true, to me this kind of reaction shows that they aren't at all uncomfortable with it and don't feel like they're walking on eggshells, and that's how you want it to be around friends. it also shows that, even if they have some internalised homophobia, they're working on it.
Well no, a TON of shows have explored the healthy, platonic male friendship thing. It's been done to death, but Lasso did it well as usual. Respect, but this isn't a thing.
Nope, Isaac was more mad at himself. One, for being someone his best friend couldn't trust. And two, after hearing a fan shout faggot at the team, he realised, it happened so many times, he didn't have the chance to be there for his best friend. So, to Isaac, his best friend had to deal with this shit all alone for many many years just because he couldn't be a better friend.
@@gcbryan89I think it was a combination of the two. The key line is “What is it about me that made you think that you couldn’t tell me?” At first, he probably felt really hurt that Colin had been hiding such a huge part of himself from him even though he was his best friend, and took that as an implicit suggestion that he came off as homophobic. It was that suggestion that cut deep. So that’s why he directed his anger towards Colin. But on the flipside, he was probably also reflecting on his own behaviour in the past and how he might’ve contributed to an environment where Colin felt he had to stay in the closet, and in turn started to feel angry and ashamed at himself for allowing it to happen. That’s why he directed his anger at the fan. Hearing a slur that he’d probably heard many times before, but now knowing his best friend is gay, made him realise how much homophobia actually exists in the world, and that his failure to directly challenge it may have been part of the problem, and in that moment, he decided those days were over and he was going to sort that motherfucker out. His tone when he asked that question suggested he wasn’t so much looking for an answer as waiting for confirmation to something he already suspected. So he was relieved when Colin assured him it had nothing to do with him.
My best friend thought she couldn't tell me for a similar reason. I was initially mad about it, too, because I felt hurt that she was afraid to come out to me. Turns out, she had a close family member completely closed her off after coming out. After that, I understood why she didn't want to tell me; in case I reacted the same way. Still my oldest and dearest friend. And her soon-to-be wife is cool people, too.
Love how wholesome this show is, he finds out his best mate is gay, and it goes with him not being able to be around him, not as you would think because he is homophobic, but because he feels like his best mate could not trust him, and he felt hurt by that. And then when they work it out, they go back to the banter, and "telling" each other they love each other. Its perfect. Should have had more seasons.
1:50 That expression on Colin's face is just... perfect. It's equal parts "That's that, then" and "I'm glad that happened" and "I'm so lucky" and "Isaac is me best mate".
@@Timeless-Moments Without the first season, you wouldn't have seen the revelations. Every character which came off as bad or arrogant or hostile have been exposed to be people (not characters) with issues and foibles and reasons for their previous expressions. They are still as seen in season one (except Roy's voice is a little deeper!), but now we see them are fuller more rounded individuals. Jamie couldn't have had his breakthrough without being the asshole of S1. Doctor Sharon couldn't have had her own revelations without coming off as an asshole to Ted in S2. This is the heart and soul (also sole) of good writing. Not giving an audience what they want; but taking them on a journey. Telling them a story. It's the Lasso Way.
The best part of this was that Issac wasn't even in the room for that speech. He INSTINCTIVELY knew that his best friend needed support. He recognized that he screwed up by going off on his own trying to process his own insecurities and shortcomings, instead of just being there for his best friend. And rectifies it by going to Colin's house, learning the lesson Ted did on his own and in his own way.
“What is it about me that made you think you couldn’t tell me?” is such a great line because it ISN’T about you, but at the same time it expresses a vulnerability about caring what others think about you, especially if others trust you. I’m 35-40 years past when I felt the need to come out but this scene is so very authentic to what I went through. Yes, there’s always that 1% chance... Great writing, great acting. And nice touch at the end with cueing up “I Am What I Am” from ‘La Cage aux Folles.’
I lost about half of my friends when I came out. Some for religious reasons, some for being small minded, some for fear I would like them(they didn't have to worry about that at all) and some didn't give me a reason they just stopped being my friend. I have moved on, made new friends, but I cherish those that stayed with me and I will until I die.
Their song curation is always on point. My fave are the Rainbow song when Roy come back to Richmond, the song when Roy hugs Jamie after his father abuses him, and that Bears Den song especially when Nate hugs Jade. Edit: An addition: the Lumineers song when Roy touched the Believe sign.
I think it's also a lovely thing about the show that even minor characters had their times to shine. You saw growth and change for pretty much all of them.
This show allows its audience to live through these characters and its so cathartic. In real life some straight friends faze you out and Colin addresses that fear perfectly. "I was 99% sure you'd support me but that 1% that you wouldn't scared the crap out of me". As someone who lost friends after coming out, this hits hard and I'm just happy for a happy ending 😂
@@Timeless-Moments I didn't see it coming, either. I kept thinking that the writers didn't understand Isaac at all. Like they weren't the ones who created the CREATED the character! LOL!
One thing that I think is amazing about this is not only is this a good example of a healthy, male relationship - it is also one of the very few healthy male relationships between a straight guy and a gay guy. I think in the past, the taboo of showing gay characters also resulted in a lack of gay/straight friendships with the only real exceptions is gay best friend and female lead Ted Lasso brought us that friendship here and not only that, the basically kept every other Hollywood stereotype of a male friendship the same: video games, talking about sex, asking about attractiveness of xyz This is important to me because I think a lot of guys (both gay and straight) always viewed gay guys as feminine men and a friendship with them is more akin to being friends with a woman than just another guy, which probably weighs on a lot of gay guys who don't want to risk their friendship with their male friends. Not because of homophobia but because we just don't see regular friendships shown up until shows like this
Not me crying jn bed watching this because it's pretty similar to my own relationship with my friend (straight). He didn't ask a lot of questions but we just continued on being best buds.
When you go back and watch Colin over the course of the series, you begin to realize how much that 1% was holding Colin back on a sub-conscious level. His coming out to his teammates, who had his back was such a liberating moment. In my head canon, if Richmond is like most other Premier League teams, Richmond probably has an academy as part of the team and I can easily see Isaac and Colin being friends since Childhood. It is why when I watched Isaac's response to his discovery about Colin in the previous episode, I felt that Isaac was probably hurt that Colin didn't tell him than be offended.
@@TheMonroemomma Yes. I'm no expert by any means but kids can be recruited at a very young age to join a Football Club's Academy. It is roughly like going to a boarding school for young aspiring football players. Some Team's academys have reeeeeally long reaches. Lionel Messi was born in Argentina but caught the eye of a scout for Barcelona and ended up moving to Spain to attend Barcelona's Academy. And ended up being a crown jewel in a generation of players from Barcelona's Academy that dominated Spanish and European Football for years.
It's a great scene. I'm sure having a secret like that is hard on someone. Always worrying about slipping up, making a mistake and not being able to confide in your friends.
I think this makes the moment when Isaac attacks the fan even more potent, he said no one would say shit, and he shut that down at the first sign of it starting
This series is like the movie The Intouchables. If you would just tell the story for somebody, it will be automatically sound cheesy/full of cliché/cringe. But in reality they do it so god damn brilliant, it is works amazingly and never feel forced or unreal. This is the definition of "Feel Good" movie, series what ever it is. Even it is full of real life drama and seriousness, when it is over, you feel better about your self and the world.
I think that's the hardest part to explain to people, it earns how fucking cheesy and schmaltzy this show is. When you explain everyone looks at you like "sports show? No thanks." Then you try to explain the intricacies but realize you can't because telling someone how layered and well developed this show is like a spoiler in and of itself. You just have to experience it.
I love how even though he was technically hust a minor background character i love how they gave Bumbercatch the most random hobbies and talents or just being the team favorite 😂
I needed a couple more episodes on why Issac couldn’t say I love you to his buddy. I feel like there’s something there. Idk, I just want these two on my screen more!
Best friends is the height of friendship. It’s a sacred bond that is very hard to break. Because besides romantic love it’s the decision to trust someone so much that your thoughts aren’t secrets to them. And this shit is best friend shit.
Amazing script and dialogue and story in this scene: it brings tears to my eyes. But it’s always jarring to see how rich these young guys are: Colin’s glass house and Issac’s orange supercar. Because of Richmond’s low spot on the league table, I just never got it that Premier League is just that. But I’m a Yank, what do I know?
This is exactly how me and one of my best friends who I consider my little brother were when he came out to me. We were at a little party at my place and a bunch of us were there, I went to grab a beer and he was in the kitchen by himself just kind of standing there thinking and a bit nervous, I asked him if he was good and he asked if he could talk to me away from everyone else. And I said sure bro what's going on is everything alright. And we went outside to go smoke a cigarette and as soon as the door shut behind us and I sparked up the stogie took a drag and passed it to him he told me he was bi, and that he was currently seeing this dude and that even though I had invited everyone to the house that he made sure this one crazy bastard who I truly consider my best friend and brother like no questions asked type shit to make sure he was there because even though he was sure I was gonna be ok with what he was telling me he just had that 1% chance of what if. And as he told me I just listened and looked at him, after he finished talking and the cig was almost done I looked at him and hugged him, I told him that this changes nothing, you were my brother before you ever told me and you will always be my brother. That this didn't change the way I looked at him nor did it affect his or mine's relationship or hanging out or anything. He looked at me with tears in his eyes and said thank you. I did tell him I was a little hurt that he was afraid I wouldn't take it good that he had to make sure this crazy old bastard was there in case shit went wrong, and he told me "you're a manly man, you live and have always lived a certain way, you don't have a soft bone in your body and even though I didn't think you would flip out, to have me of all people someone you consider family to tell you that they've been living this double life and doing things that you would not believe, it scared me" and I looked at him with tears in my eyes and hugged him and said all I ask is you let me meet this guy so I can make sure to tell him he better not hurt you. And we both laughed and went back inside. Afterwards me and my crazy old bastard brother were outside and he said "so did he tell you" and I said yes he did, and he said I'm glad it went well, and I told him fuck you for having to be here in case I didn't. And he said "that boy respects you so much that he told all of us, we've known for weeks but he made sure to be here to talk to you face to face like a man, and he loves you so much that all of us he told quick and easy but for you he was scared shitless because your opinion of him matters to him. That's how much he loves and respects you" then I told him I get it and he's still a fuck because what was he gonna do if I didn't take it good, and my brother said beat you over the head with a frying pan and duct tape you to a chair and draw dicks in your face with a sharpie till you woke up. And we both laughed and I said you'd really hit me with a frying pan, and he said yep the cast iron one you got sitting in the oven actually. Make sure I get through your thick skull. Then we both laughed and said well at least I know you love me enough not to kill me.
"I can't keep a secret for shit." "I know, another reason I didn't tell you. I kept it to myself for years, the minute I tell you, it didn't last a month." 😂😂
The fact that they play Real vs. PSG at the end shows that the writers of this show have looked more into a game for this one scene than the writers of Halo did for the entire show...
I mean, at this point even the cast has been nagging Jason to make season 4. The actress who plays Rebecca said she’d be heartbroken if it ends here. So I think all these voices in unison saying “we want more” goes a long way. Fingers crossed he listens
My barber is lesbian and she asks me questions about being straight all the time. It's so funny to talk about because she's just genuinely curious about the guy mindset.
I Am what am And what I am Needs no excuses I Deal my own deck Sometimes the ace Sometimes the deuces Its one life With no return, and no deposit One life So time to open up your closet Your life is a sham Until you can shout, 'Hey world I am what I am
Idky critics thought this plot line was unrealistic. Jaime never came across as homophobic. Also, he is a black man and more and likely has dealt with the racism that mirrors the homophobia. Am I saying it’s unrealistic that he could have been homophobic? No. In fact, to a degree, there should be no reason he can’t tell Colin he loves him, so one could define that as some small amount of prejudice, or at least apprehension, But to just assume it’s more realistic that he would be a hateful bigot? That’s not in his character.
I) It's Isaac, not Jamie. 2) As Colin explains his hesitancy was not about Isaac (or the others) specifically, but about his own hangups and feeling that people would not react well. Again, as he says he was 99% sure that Isaac would support him. And that's the reality for many and why they keep it from friends and family. And it's a stereotype, that is sadly rooted into reality, that there are a lot of men who are uncomfortable telling their friends they love them. Yeah, Isaac can sit there and talk about rom-coms because that's not being vulnerable. The actor who plays Colin even says that football is called "The Beautiful Game" yet there are so many fans who cannot say "I love you" to their mates.
As a hetro man I fully support my gay friends but beg that they understand that is is not easy for me to understand everything. We love you and support you, the difficulty in the situation(s) are ours, not yours!
He’s not good with expressing his feelings. But because they’re best friends, he didn’t have to say. He showed that he did, by just coming over and talking it out
@@timregan1005huh? it isn't ever gay to say "I love you" to a friend, unless you mean it romantically towards someone of the same sex. That's like saying it's gay for a dad to tell his son "I love you", or two brothers. Ridiculous.
Issac needs to put himself in Colin's shoes and ask himself "Would he be comfortable telling anyone (inc. his close friend) about his sexual orientation?" While being gay is acceptable in today's climate, it's still a hot button issue for those who've not exactly come around to. Especially in the world of football.
This whole storyline made no sense to me. I think i must have missed something cos I had no idea Colin and Isaac were friends. Obviously they were teammates, seemed to get along reasonably well and they used to bully Nate together. As far as I'm aware, that was the extent of their association. We never saw them grab a pint together or hang out at each other's place so why would Isaac have expected Colin to ever confide in him? I think a couple of scenes of them doing friend-stuff at any point over the three seasons would have done the trick but I just find it hard to believe Isaac and Colin were actually longtime close friends (which is what Isaac's reaction suggests) this whole time
Huh, I hadn't thought about it, but you're right. There aren't any overt displays of their closeness. I did assume it, though. I guess it was all of the shots of them standing close by like besties do, or little asides, or meaningful looks? Not sure what magic was used to make me completely accept their close friendship.
When you re-watch the next time, look for how many times they are sitting together when they are out in clubs, etc. It's not overt, but it's there. I love the subtlety of this show! There's always new things to pick up on with each watch.
To me this episode felt like it wasn’t Isaac being a homophobe. It was more like he felt betrayed cause Colin didn’t tell him he was gay and that made him question if they really were close as friends as he thought for all those years
Btw genuine question here: did we know they were friends? I genuinely felt blindsided by Isaac's reaction. I'm wondering whether I missed subtle scenes showing their friendship across the three seasons
You missed the entire point of the Issac/Colin relationship. Issac owned up to his mistake and apologized like a man, and Colin accepted his apology because he understood his friends feeling and lack of awareness of Colins feeling and struggles with hiding his sexuality. This scene and the one where he get the red card for going after the fan for his homophobic remark IS Issac realizing how difficult it was Colin all these years. He didn’t force Colin to come out, when Issac found out he kept it to himself and handed it in a manner that was not fair to Colin, but he never said a word to anyone. For you to look at this and just classify Issac as an asshole because he struggled with understanding his own feeling in the situation, then learning from his mistake, to then defended his friend for slander and make the effort to apologize man to man, backing his friend no matter what his sexuality is. The whole point of Ted Lasso as a show is to highlight the growth people can achieve, and that is exactly what this scene is doing for Issac. As a gay man who was in the process of coming out to friends and family, I felt Colin’s feelings but I also sympathize with Issac because everyone has people who they love that they are terrified to tell, even though that person will accept them and people who will need time to process and understand. You being judgmental about this just shows me you totally missed the point of what the show was always meant to be about.
So you have 0 gay friends or family in your life??? You have never heard.. seen or experienced this scenario in anyway shape or form? If not then you need to get out more.. this is a genuine scenario that many folks experience and live through. You're probably the type of bloke who would send his kids to conversion therapy..
A true sign that your straight friend is supportive of you: they ask you a million questions about being gay.
I mean, if opportunity presented itself who wouldn't ask a million about it from their gay friend if they are okay with it though 😂
So true ☺️
actually so true, to me this kind of reaction shows that they aren't at all uncomfortable with it and don't feel like they're walking on eggshells, and that's how you want it to be around friends. it also shows that, even if they have some internalised homophobia, they're working on it.
Biggest question being: Who is the fittest one of us?
or they just treat you like a person and not any different than before.......you know.....the point.
Colin: _"I love you. .... You can't say it, can you."_
Isaac: _"No. ... But you know I do, yeah?"_
That hits home.
It's a line that has been said a million times, even between guy friends, but because of how it's said: makes it a unique moment.
He's trying and his heart is there but the comfort level isn't yet. He'll get there.
That´s real men for you. Not that stereotypes one that are afraid of "feeling" something.
Well, I tell my best friends "I'll see you later". It's also, I love you and see you next week.
I’ve been making sure to say “I love you” to all my buddies. Gotta make sure they know they have me in their corner
It’s rare for a TV show to explore healthy, platonic male relationships. This show has raised the bar.
People who can't recognize a platonic relationship don't have any friends. And if they do have friends, then their friends are shitheads.
Very wholesome indeed
Well no, a TON of shows have explored the healthy, platonic male friendship thing. It's been done to death, but Lasso did it well as usual. Respect, but this isn't a thing.
@@vmskum because it needs to be a separate convo lol
umm Turk and JD: whimsical sometimes, grounded others, and addressing from within and outside the relationship when it becomes unhealthy
McAdoo wasn't mad because he was homophobic or something. He was mad because he felt Colin didn't trust him. Fantastic episode.
Yes never see that coming
Nope, Isaac was more mad at himself. One, for being someone his best friend couldn't trust. And two, after hearing a fan shout faggot at the team, he realised, it happened so many times, he didn't have the chance to be there for his best friend. So, to Isaac, his best friend had to deal with this shit all alone for many many years just because he couldn't be a better friend.
I feel like he was more scared that he was being untrustworthy
Well it's very hard to trust someone that is homophobic, so valid concern.
@@gcbryan89I think it was a combination of the two.
The key line is “What is it about me that made you think that you couldn’t tell me?”
At first, he probably felt really hurt that Colin had been hiding such a huge part of himself from him even though he was his best friend, and took that as an implicit suggestion that he came off as homophobic. It was that suggestion that cut deep. So that’s why he directed his anger towards Colin.
But on the flipside, he was probably also reflecting on his own behaviour in the past and how he might’ve contributed to an environment where Colin felt he had to stay in the closet, and in turn started to feel angry and ashamed at himself for allowing it to happen. That’s why he directed his anger at the fan. Hearing a slur that he’d probably heard many times before, but now knowing his best friend is gay, made him realise how much homophobia actually exists in the world, and that his failure to directly challenge it may have been part of the problem, and in that moment, he decided those days were over and he was going to sort that motherfucker out.
His tone when he asked that question suggested he wasn’t so much looking for an answer as waiting for confirmation to something he already suspected. So he was relieved when Colin assured him it had nothing to do with him.
when he says the 1% chance scared him so much, it's exactly how I felt telling my parents
Proud of you brother xoxo
Praise the sun!
My best friend thought she couldn't tell me for a similar reason. I was initially mad about it, too, because I felt hurt that she was afraid to come out to me. Turns out, she had a close family member completely closed her off after coming out. After that, I understood why she didn't want to tell me; in case I reacted the same way.
Still my oldest and dearest friend. And her soon-to-be wife is cool people, too.
I'm assuming you eventually did, and good for you bud. Always be true to yourself.
That’s the nub
“but you know I do, yeah” I’ve rewatched this scene so many times already and I cry every time.
The reason why Isaac was mad is so cute lol
My heart!!!!
It's a great counter-reply. Isaac can't say he loves him, but "you know I do", and Colin doesn't have to say "I know" because he knows too.
The first time I heard it, I thought he had said “You know I’d do you”. Not gonna lie, disappointed that that’s not what he said
Same: ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxH00N1wyy3N67CKDarZhEmFe2HbBLOUao
When Colin says "you'll never guess" and Isaac's eyes go back and forth for a second and he replies "Bumbercatch." Just hilarious
LIke he had to ask anyways, Bumbercatch is obviously a swiss and obviously the most fit guy in the team.
Nah it’s Jamie.
@@maia9056I trust a gay man’s opinion more than I trust a straight woman’s opinion on how good a man looks, and I’m a straight man.
Them agreeing that Bumbercatch was their best looking player was my favourite moment 😂
Lol what a surprise too
to be honest, he *is* really fit.
It’s easily Jamie.
throwing shade at Cumberbatch
@@nelsaan Deliberate mix-up of the c and B?!
"My man." Isaac's deadpan comedic timing was cranked up to 11 this episode.
1967 Raquel Welch was fit tho. 🤣 I said the same thing 😀
Love how wholesome this show is, he finds out his best mate is gay, and it goes with him not being able to be around him, not as you would think because he is homophobic, but because he feels like his best mate could not trust him, and he felt hurt by that. And then when they work it out, they go back to the banter, and "telling" each other they love each other. Its perfect. Should have had more seasons.
1:50 That expression on Colin's face is just... perfect. It's equal parts "That's that, then" and "I'm glad that happened" and "I'm so lucky" and "Isaac is me best mate".
Remember when Isaac and Colin were Jamie’s lackeys and Nate's bullies? Now they’re two of my favorite characters.
Yes season one their characters have no depth
Much like Colin in the team showers, they experienced growth.
You had me dying bro 😂
@@Timeless-Moments Without the first season, you wouldn't have seen the revelations. Every character which came off as bad or arrogant or hostile have been exposed to be people (not characters) with issues and foibles and reasons for their previous expressions. They are still as seen in season one (except Roy's voice is a little deeper!), but now we see them are fuller more rounded individuals.
Jamie couldn't have had his breakthrough without being the asshole of S1. Doctor Sharon couldn't have had her own revelations without coming off as an asshole to Ted in S2. This is the heart and soul (also sole) of good writing. Not giving an audience what they want; but taking them on a journey. Telling them a story.
It's the Lasso Way.
@@xgonne Well said
I’ve always loved, “the team knows, that’s enough for me” uggghhh the team is his safe space
Coach Lasso was right earlier.
you can’t just ACCEPT your gay friend. you have to BE THERE for them too.
The best part of this was that Issac wasn't even in the room for that speech. He INSTINCTIVELY knew that his best friend needed support. He recognized that he screwed up by going off on his own trying to process his own insecurities and shortcomings, instead of just being there for his best friend. And rectifies it by going to Colin's house, learning the lesson Ted did on his own and in his own way.
the amount of character development across all the characters of this show through ALL the seasons has been amazing
Isaac went from a character who's name I could barely remember in season 1 to legitimately one if my favourite characters by season 3
I share the same feeling
“What is it about me that made you think you couldn’t tell me?” is such a great line because it ISN’T about you, but at the same time it expresses a vulnerability about caring what others think about you, especially if others trust you. I’m 35-40 years past when I felt the need to come out but this scene is so very authentic to what I went through. Yes, there’s always that 1% chance... Great writing, great acting. And nice touch at the end with cueing up “I Am What I Am” from ‘La Cage aux Folles.’
This conversation literally made me cry the first time i watched it
‘You know I do right?’
Every damn time, I cannot explain why but I don’t think I’ve been able to watch this scene without tearing up
"1967 Raquel Welch." Best possible answer to that question: abstract, historical, and a simple Google search will get any straight man's agreement
Meh, no disrespect but this would not be my first choice. Wouldn't even be in my top 20.
Please enlighten me I really want to know more :)
@@Timeless-Moments No disrespect. We all have our choices. But for me as a straight dude, I gotta go with Matrix Keanu. Beautiful man.
@@williammccormick984 I don’t think he was talking to you
''The One'' is the best xoxo
Their bromance is everything
I lost about half of my friends when I came out. Some for religious reasons, some for being small minded, some for fear I would like them(they didn't have to worry about that at all) and some didn't give me a reason they just stopped being my friend. I have moved on, made new friends, but I cherish those that stayed with me and I will until I die.
There were so many great moments in this episode. Thanks for uploading.
Yes indeed and I should be the one who thanking you Sir
This show always picked the best ending song! I love Richmond so much.
So am I. I am so ready to spend my monthly salary on all AFC Richmond merch lol
I immediately looked up and added that Bears Den song to my morning drive music.
Their song curation is always on point. My fave are the Rainbow song when Roy come back to Richmond, the song when Roy hugs Jamie after his father abuses him, and that Bears Den song especially when Nate hugs Jade.
Edit:
An addition: the Lumineers song when Roy touched the Believe sign.
@@rhonita I had no idea who bears den was before that scene.
ua-cam.com/video/jEiMbaEfrwM/v-deo.html just for you guys easy reference xoxo
Very well written and performed scene...and Colin's apartment was fire!!
I love his apartment
This show is amazing in how it finds amazing actors for these minor roles. Anyone of the actors in the scene could carry a series on their own.
I think it's also a lovely thing about the show that even minor characters had their times to shine. You saw growth and change for pretty much all of them.
This show allows its audience to live through these characters and its so cathartic. In real life some straight friends faze you out and Colin addresses that fear perfectly. "I was 99% sure you'd support me but that 1% that you wouldn't scared the crap out of me". As someone who lost friends after coming out, this hits hard and I'm just happy for a happy ending 😂
So simple and so beautiful. Every time makes me tear up.
That "But you know I do, yeah?" hits hard.
"I love you-- you can't say it can you?"
"no, but you know I do"
has got to be my new favorite friendship dynamic
The actor who plays colin would be great in the title role of doctor who
I'd be up for that!!
Yes a great idea
Wait I can see it
I knew why Issac was mad from the beginning it made the most sense regarding his character
I didn't see that coming tbh
@@Timeless-Moments I didn't see it coming, either. I kept thinking that the writers didn't understand Isaac at all. Like they weren't the ones who created the CREATED the character! LOL!
One thing that I think is amazing about this is not only is this a good example of a healthy, male relationship - it is also one of the very few healthy male relationships between a straight guy and a gay guy. I think in the past, the taboo of showing gay characters also resulted in a lack of gay/straight friendships with the only real exceptions is gay best friend and female lead
Ted Lasso brought us that friendship here and not only that, the basically kept every other Hollywood stereotype of a male friendship the same: video games, talking about sex, asking about attractiveness of xyz
This is important to me because I think a lot of guys (both gay and straight) always viewed gay guys as feminine men and a friendship with them is more akin to being friends with a woman than just another guy, which probably weighs on a lot of gay guys who don't want to risk their friendship with their male friends. Not because of homophobia but because we just don't see regular friendships shown up until shows like this
Not me crying jn bed watching this because it's pretty similar to my own relationship with my friend (straight). He didn't ask a lot of questions but we just continued on being best buds.
When George Hearn’s voice came in with “I Am What I Am” 🥲😭
Such a great choice of song for this
When you go back and watch Colin over the course of the series, you begin to realize how much that 1% was holding Colin back on a sub-conscious level. His coming out to his teammates, who had his back was such a liberating moment.
In my head canon, if Richmond is like most other Premier League teams, Richmond probably has an academy as part of the team and I can easily see Isaac and Colin being friends since Childhood. It is why when I watched Isaac's response to his discovery about Colin in the previous episode, I felt that Isaac was probably hurt that Colin didn't tell him than be offended.
I don't know anything about British football. Is that why Roy got scouted and had to go off when he was only 9 years old?
@@TheMonroemomma Yes. I'm no expert by any means but kids can be recruited at a very young age to join a Football Club's Academy. It is roughly like going to a boarding school for young aspiring football players. Some Team's academys have reeeeeally long reaches. Lionel Messi was born in Argentina but caught the eye of a scout for Barcelona and ended up moving to Spain to attend Barcelona's Academy. And ended up being a crown jewel in a generation of players from Barcelona's Academy that dominated Spanish and European Football for years.
Kinda wish we saw this friendship from the beginning of the show or a flash-back of them when they were kids in the youth leagues
Well collin is from cardiff, so itd be a bit of stretching.
@@Pasta_Parade true but many football clubs have academies for children and they live at the training grounds
It's a great scene. I'm sure having a secret like that is hard on someone. Always worrying about slipping up, making a mistake and not being able to confide in your friends.
the song choice in the backround was something i didnt notice the first time, but is perfect.
I think this makes the moment when Isaac attacks the fan even more potent, he said no one would say shit, and he shut that down at the first sign of it starting
One of the best story lines of the show.
I wish I could forget all about Ted Lasso so I can watch it again for the first time
This series is like the movie The Intouchables. If you would just tell the story for somebody, it will be automatically sound cheesy/full of cliché/cringe.
But in reality they do it so god damn brilliant, it is works amazingly and never feel forced or unreal.
This is the definition of "Feel Good" movie, series what ever it is. Even it is full of real life drama and seriousness, when it is over, you feel better about your self and the world.
In the world we live in now we need shows this like to keep us going. Kindness and love
I think that's the hardest part to explain to people, it earns how fucking cheesy and schmaltzy this show is. When you explain everyone looks at you like "sports show? No thanks." Then you try to explain the intricacies but realize you can't because telling someone how layered and well developed this show is like a spoiler in and of itself. You just have to experience it.
Aside from this great important scene, anyone else take note of the well-stocked and immaculate-looking bar behind them in his home?
Yes, I did. And of all the glass on the ground floor.
"1967 Raquel Welch"
"My man"
Ahhhh, Colin’s little Welsh flag and calling him boyo. I feel seen haha
That was the realist conversation regarding sexuality between a gay and straight mature characters
I love how even though he was technically hust a minor background character i love how they gave Bumbercatch the most random hobbies and talents or just being the team favorite 😂
Bloody beautiful.
I needed a couple more episodes on why Issac couldn’t say I love you to his buddy. I feel like there’s something there. Idk, I just want these two on my screen more!
That was beautiful
Best friends is the height of friendship. It’s a sacred bond that is very hard to break.
Because besides romantic love it’s the decision to trust someone so much that your thoughts aren’t secrets to them.
And this shit is best friend shit.
Hughes and Mcadoo first time playing FIFA 23! 1:58
Amazing script and dialogue and story in this scene: it brings tears to my eyes. But it’s always jarring to see how rich these young guys are: Colin’s glass house and Issac’s orange supercar. Because of Richmond’s low spot on the league table, I just never got it that Premier League is just that. But I’m a Yank, what do I know?
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It's so beautiful
FRIENDSHIP!!!!!!!!!!
Isaac's expression just kills me.
This is exactly how me and one of my best friends who I consider my little brother were when he came out to me. We were at a little party at my place and a bunch of us were there, I went to grab a beer and he was in the kitchen by himself just kind of standing there thinking and a bit nervous, I asked him if he was good and he asked if he could talk to me away from everyone else. And I said sure bro what's going on is everything alright. And we went outside to go smoke a cigarette and as soon as the door shut behind us and I sparked up the stogie took a drag and passed it to him he told me he was bi, and that he was currently seeing this dude and that even though I had invited everyone to the house that he made sure this one crazy bastard who I truly consider my best friend and brother like no questions asked type shit to make sure he was there because even though he was sure I was gonna be ok with what he was telling me he just had that 1% chance of what if. And as he told me I just listened and looked at him, after he finished talking and the cig was almost done I looked at him and hugged him, I told him that this changes nothing, you were my brother before you ever told me and you will always be my brother. That this didn't change the way I looked at him nor did it affect his or mine's relationship or hanging out or anything. He looked at me with tears in his eyes and said thank you. I did tell him I was a little hurt that he was afraid I wouldn't take it good that he had to make sure this crazy old bastard was there in case shit went wrong, and he told me "you're a manly man, you live and have always lived a certain way, you don't have a soft bone in your body and even though I didn't think you would flip out, to have me of all people someone you consider family to tell you that they've been living this double life and doing things that you would not believe, it scared me" and I looked at him with tears in my eyes and hugged him and said all I ask is you let me meet this guy so I can make sure to tell him he better not hurt you. And we both laughed and went back inside. Afterwards me and my crazy old bastard brother were outside and he said "so did he tell you" and I said yes he did, and he said I'm glad it went well, and I told him fuck you for having to be here in case I didn't. And he said "that boy respects you so much that he told all of us, we've known for weeks but he made sure to be here to talk to you face to face like a man, and he loves you so much that all of us he told quick and easy but for you he was scared shitless because your opinion of him matters to him. That's how much he loves and respects you" then I told him I get it and he's still a fuck because what was he gonna do if I didn't take it good, and my brother said beat you over the head with a frying pan and duct tape you to a chair and draw dicks in your face with a sharpie till you woke up. And we both laughed and I said you'd really hit me with a frying pan, and he said yep the cast iron one you got sitting in the oven actually. Make sure I get through your thick skull. Then we both laughed and said well at least I know you love me enough not to kill me.
Thank you for sharing this here. It hits home. You are a good dude and friend my Internet brother ☺️
@ thank you brother, have a blessed day
"I can't keep a secret for shit."
"I know, another reason I didn't tell you. I kept it to myself for years, the minute I tell you, it didn't last a month."
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Lmfaoooo how do u have a lock 🔒 on a glass door 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gay Welsh and a Hughes - Triple Threat And Proud
The fact that they play Real vs. PSG at the end shows that the writers of this show have looked more into a game for this one scene than the writers of Halo did for the entire show...
Have they re-used the stairs from Keeley Jones's place?
This show is great, I hope this isn't the last season.
It was planned for 3 seasons only but Jason didn't answer the question of there being a season 4 or not directly in all press
I know, but selfishly I want this series to continue for another 10 years
I know right 😊
I mean, at this point even the cast has been nagging Jason to make season 4. The actress who plays Rebecca said she’d be heartbroken if it ends here.
So I think all these voices in unison saying “we want more” goes a long way. Fingers crossed he listens
I don't know if they can keep the quality tho but i gotta believe like how Ted said it i guess
Keep my head down and think of global warming…
Global warming could be arousing lol
@@Timeless-Moments please describe in what way? I'm genuinely curious
My barber is lesbian and she asks me questions about being straight all the time. It's so funny to talk about because she's just genuinely curious about the guy mindset.
I
Am what am
And what I am
Needs no excuses
I
Deal my own deck
Sometimes the ace
Sometimes the deuces
Its one life
With no return, and no deposit
One life
So time to open up your closet
Your life is a sham
Until you can shout, 'Hey world
I am what I am
Head down with global warming. I usually just do math!
jeez, straights are bloody hard work!!!!!!!!
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Idky critics thought this plot line was unrealistic. Jaime never came across as homophobic. Also, he is a black man and more and likely has dealt with the racism that mirrors the homophobia. Am I saying it’s unrealistic that he could have been homophobic? No.
In fact, to a degree, there should be no reason he can’t tell Colin he loves him, so one could define that as some small amount of prejudice, or at least apprehension,
But to just assume it’s more realistic that he would be a hateful bigot? That’s not in his character.
I) It's Isaac, not Jamie. 2) As Colin explains his hesitancy was not about Isaac (or the others) specifically, but about his own hangups and feeling that people would not react well. Again, as he says he was 99% sure that Isaac would support him. And that's the reality for many and why they keep it from friends and family. And it's a stereotype, that is sadly rooted into reality, that there are a lot of men who are uncomfortable telling their friends they love them. Yeah, Isaac can sit there and talk about rom-coms because that's not being vulnerable. The actor who plays Colin even says that football is called "The Beautiful Game" yet there are so many fans who cannot say "I love you" to their mates.
beautiful
Much love Collin
No…but you know I do, yeah? ❤️❤️❤️
I would put the writing on this show against any show before it.
"1967 Raquel Welch."
"My man."
Perfection.
Only problem with this episode is that i kinda wish We'd actually seen colin come out to the team instead of the cutaway to the scene with issac.
As a hetro man I fully support my gay friends but beg that they understand that is is not easy for me to understand everything. We love you and support you, the difficulty in the situation(s) are ours, not yours!
Why'd they spell his name wrong
The actor who play Cody banks
Why couldnt isaac say i love you back?
He’s not good with expressing his feelings. But because they’re best friends, he didn’t have to say. He showed that he did, by just coming over and talking it out
because it's gay. technically he did btw as a straight guy would say to a close friend....
@@timregan1005huh? it isn't ever gay to say "I love you" to a friend, unless you mean it romantically towards someone of the same sex.
That's like saying it's gay for a dad to tell his son "I love you", or two brothers. Ridiculous.
What is this show called?
Ted Lasso
I lost my shit when I heard George Hearn.
Is there a word for platonic romace? Thats the only way i can think to describe this scene.
Bromance is the word I think you are looking for
but you know i do, yeah?
.... bumbercatch
Ya he’s on the team hahaha
What is this?
Issac needs to put himself in Colin's shoes and ask himself "Would he be comfortable telling anyone (inc. his close friend) about his sexual orientation?" While being gay is acceptable in today's climate, it's still a hot button issue for those who've not exactly come around to. Especially in the world of football.
This show has a such beautiful messages in it then any new woke-forced show can give, genuine grown-man-crying messages
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I've had to flip sexes on the disaster senario with some str8 male friends; if they answer you can tell how secure they are.
This whole storyline made no sense to me. I think i must have missed something cos I had no idea Colin and Isaac were friends. Obviously they were teammates, seemed to get along reasonably well and they used to bully Nate together. As far as I'm aware, that was the extent of their association. We never saw them grab a pint together or hang out at each other's place so why would Isaac have expected Colin to ever confide in him? I think a couple of scenes of them doing friend-stuff at any point over the three seasons would have done the trick but I just find it hard to believe Isaac and Colin were actually longtime close friends (which is what Isaac's reaction suggests) this whole time
Huh, I hadn't thought about it, but you're right. There aren't any overt displays of their closeness. I did assume it, though. I guess it was all of the shots of them standing close by like besties do, or little asides, or meaningful looks? Not sure what magic was used to make me completely accept their close friendship.
When you re-watch the next time, look for how many times they are sitting together when they are out in clubs, etc. It's not overt, but it's there. I love the subtlety of this show! There's always new things to pick up on with each watch.
“They were on the same team, got along well and shared more time together than with others. Idk, it doesn’t make sense that they’d be good friends”
I'll assume you went to a high school .... or NOT?
To me this episode felt like it wasn’t Isaac being a homophobe. It was more like he felt betrayed cause Colin didn’t tell him he was gay and that made him question if they really were close as friends as he thought for all those years
No offense but I think that is the point
Btw genuine question here: did we know they were friends? I genuinely felt blindsided by Isaac's reaction. I'm wondering whether I missed subtle scenes showing their friendship across the three seasons
@@shivermetimbers6128 Season one they spent a lot of time together like a dynamic duo.
Isaac would make a great “woke Klingon” on Star Trek
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So 2 corny grown men
Cringe
I hate this entire scenario. The one being an asshole should realize how obviously difficult it is to come out. It doesn’t matter if they’re friends.
You missed the entire point of the Issac/Colin relationship. Issac owned up to his mistake and apologized like a man, and Colin accepted his apology because he understood his friends feeling and lack of awareness of Colins feeling and struggles with hiding his sexuality. This scene and the one where he get the red card for going after the fan for his homophobic remark IS Issac realizing how difficult it was Colin all these years. He didn’t force Colin to come out, when Issac found out he kept it to himself and handed it in a manner that was not fair to Colin, but he never said a word to anyone. For you to look at this and just classify Issac as an asshole because he struggled with understanding his own feeling in the situation, then learning from his mistake, to then defended his friend for slander and make the effort to apologize man to man, backing his friend no matter what his sexuality is. The whole point of Ted Lasso as a show is to highlight the growth people can achieve, and that is exactly what this scene is doing for Issac. As a gay man who was in the process of coming out to friends and family, I felt Colin’s feelings but I also sympathize with Issac because everyone has people who they love that they are terrified to tell, even though that person will accept them and people who will need time to process and understand. You being judgmental about this just shows me you totally missed the point of what the show was always meant to be about.
This arch was useless in the show
Woke nonsense
So you have 0 gay friends or family in your life??? You have never heard.. seen or experienced this scenario in anyway shape or form? If not then you need to get out more.. this is a genuine scenario that many folks experience and live through. You're probably the type of bloke who would send his kids to conversion therapy..