Funny thing is that the Doctor didn't tell the Prometheus EMH to do anything but press "Fire", so it's technically his fault for telling him to fire it without telling him to aim the torpedo at a target first.
It’s too bad Andy Dick is in irredeemably bastard in real life and is mostly likely responsible for getting Phil Hartman’s wife addicted to hard drugs again, causing her to murder him in cold blood with a gun. I’m glad the son a bitch was cancelled for sleeping around and just being a completely unreliable drug addict of an actor that most studios were just looking for a good excuse to stop hiring.
In terms of funniest episodes in all of _Star Trek_ history, this one ranks with "I, Mudd," "The Trouble With Tribbles," and "Trials and Tribble-ations." The best part of this episode, not involving the doctors, but just as funny, is when Seven "hangs up" on the Hirogen. Who hasn't wished we could do that to the robo-callers?
"Stop breathing down my neck!" "My breathing is a simulation." "So is my neck, stop it anyway!" My favorite lines of the episode, and there were an awful lot of good lines.
just imagine that from the starfleet side beaming in expecting romulans and instead they are met with 2 MEDICAL holograms who have somehow taken control of the ship
Can we just appreciate the badassery of the Akira? The plan was apparently that the Akira would engage three D'deridex while the two Defiants take on the Prometheus.
+Schwarzer Ritter...no, Bashir was intended to be the next upgrade of the EMH program, the Mark II. But his genetically enhanced condition was an issue that nearly got Bashir dismissed from StarFleet.
I really wish they could've found a way to do a story like this with The Doctor and Data together. Two of the most popular characters of their shows(Seven of Nine and Worf as well) who were both yearning to be human and evolved from advanced AI to sentinent beings would've been a very compelling relationship and I think it'd be funny too with their personalities lol. Alas it wasn't meant to be.
The excuse was it was rouge Romulans How they got 3 fully equipped ships at a time Any useful vessel was being used in the war effort in some way is beyond me.
The individuals in this accident acted without the knowledge nor the consent of the Romulan star Empire and we condemn their actions. Instant for relations primer on how you can avoid going to war when you attack someone.
The Federation was already at war with the Dominion, they couldn't afford to fight a war with the Romulan empire as well. But given how easily the Federation fleet dealt with the Romulan ships, the Romulans would be suing for peace anyway.
@@Joesolo13 that's easy to excuse how they got to romulan ships: Federation: would you care to explain how those "rogue romulans" got their hand on your ships? Romulan ambassador: probably the same way they got the Prometheus
Tbh I like it better than Voyager. Granted Voyager's design was created when the show was greenlit. Unsure when exactly the Prometheus was originally conceptualized. Some times ship designs and models get re-purposed across the shows.
They forgot: The Doctor: "You hit the wrong ship. EMH II: "It wasn't my fault!"The Doctor: "Well whose fault was it!? The torpedo's!? You're supposed to tell it what to do!"
you maybe forgot that a photontorpedoe needs a certain distance of traveling before the targeting system and warhead are armed the defiant whas in the wrong place at the wrong time
This episode was the first time a Romulan D'deridex was destroyed on screen, and it was glorious EDIT: Somewhat mistaken here, this was the first D'deridex destroyed on screen by Star Fleet
Not so, In Star Trek The Next Generation, Season 2 episode 2, "Where Silence Has Lease" a Romulan warbird was destroyed, granted the alien Nagilum, created it inside the space void. But do agree, loved seeing that scene.
I did like the fact that they showed Starfleet firing on the Romulans, considering in TNG, Romulans fired on the Enterprise don't know how many times, and they didn't fire back. not including the aforementioned episode from TNG.
You guys are bad and should feel bad... The first time a D'deridex class ship was destroyed for real was in the episode 'Tin Man.' And you call yourselves Trekkies... tut tut
I believe this hints that the Defiant class was getting put back into active service nad production due to the efforts of the DS9 Crew given that there where only a half dozen of them when the Defiant herself was assigned to Sisko. Why would 2 of them be following an Akira unless they were becoming more common.
More common, yes. They weren't coming out of mushroom spacedocks like spores. They're still high-maintenance. Escorting a larger asset is more in line with their original intent. Originally a prototype for a fleet, not just a class. Defiant was effective, apparently, on screen in everything from minelayer to battleship. It's shown on science duty, even though it was specifically stated lacking such specialized amenities. Prometheus was a refined warship with a higher cost, but much longer duration, endurance, and even more firepower in mind. Multi-vector mode was gimmicky to be honest. Redundancy for three effective parts is a lot less efficient than say two armed and armored halves. I imagine two three ways of going to rebuild the fleet from war losses. First, lightly armored frigates with independent multi-role capacity, long range, good speed, modest maintenance demands, and power projection on par with a heavy cruiser. Second, a less numerous warship with roughly the geometry of Defiant, slightly smaller and more compact, taking advantage of tech refinements, experience with Defiants in the field, with emphasize on greater agility and defensive weapons for escort and fleet defense rather than more powerful frontal assaults. Supplement Defiant class with lower build and maintenance costs, lower crew requirements, and more sustainable vehicle for peacekeeping. Less common, and more specialized Interceptor based on an armored Nova design, with more firepower, powerful sensors, quad nacelles, a second impulse system, and twin reactor. Splitting into two would be impressive, but probably not worth the development and construction costs.
Cause they are cutting edge porpouse built escort warships, something stafleet *doesnt have at all* bsides them, save for the prometheus, which just got stolen, and needed retaking.
You know, I never really thought about it, but it's actually kinda lucky that the Romulans tried to steal the Prometheus. If they never tried to steal her, she probably never would have gone within range of the alien relay network and Voyager would never have been able to send the Doctor to her. Without that, Starfleet wouldn't have known Voyager wasn't destroyed until she got home or a ship did pass within range of the network. Thus, they never would have set up a team to try to contact Voyager, and the series would have been very different.
A) suspension of belief, to keep the plot moving forward. B) it's a prototype NX-##### , other vessels (and perhaps this one, after it's tested) may have safeties installed. C) while logical, Starfleet vessels attack each fairly regularly. The Maquis used Starfleet vessels, others might take similar measures negating the point.
Okay, I'm sorry, but Starfleet needs to fire whoever is in charge of programming their ships, because a simple IFF would be absurdly easy to add, and that would be enough to prevent stuff like the Prometheus attacking a Nebula-class.
It would also stop the nebula class attacking the stolen Prometheus... And prevent Voyager from stopping the Equinox that was murdering its way through the Delta quadrant. And prevent the Lakota from intercepting the Defiant that they thought was commandeered by changelings. And prevent the Enterprise-D from hunting down the Phoenix that was murdering its way through Cardassian space and about to start a war. And prevent the Excelsior going after the stolen Enterprise Seems like it would do more harm than good.
@@Slavir_Nabru I mean, the thing is, we know that starfleet in the 2260s already had command codes which could override shields and presumably weapons and other systems, had they kept such a system in place, with authorization from whichever admirals, it would allow such encounters to be even easier. Other than the Voyager vs Equinox, but I'm sure Torres could disable an IFF system.
if you watch the episode there's only about a dozen romulans. even if all of them where on the bridge, 2 people with weapons of that level could probably clear the bridge in a few shots.
@Főfasírozó Funnier...? Despite it's pacifistic talk they are not stupid. Or rather shouldn't be. Destroying a Prototype is way better than let it fall to an enemy.
Prometheus was hotter than shit on a San Francisco sidewalk. Starfleet Command ordered in no uncertain terms "Retake or Destroy by any means necessary."
They clarify in the episode that the Romulan ships are jamming communications so they are literally not able to communicate with each other, even if they wanted to
Romulans are my favorite species but I always felt this episode should have had the Dominion stealing the ship. It was a perfect opportunity for a crossover episode! sigh....
+Jon Luna Not really... as the Romulans is not involve in the Dominion war as mention, it's perfectly reasonable for them to take advantage to steal some tech in the confusion of war since they became a lesser focus as oppose to the enemy the federation is engaging in open warfare.
***** About right... the Romulans only join the rest of the against the Dominion during the later stage of the war... which is season 7, before that, they were "neutral".
Voyager's EMH arrived on the Prometheus on Stardate 51462 (June 18th) in 2374, and whereas the Dominion War was 2373 - 2375, the Romulans joined the Federation Alliance on Stardate 51721.3 (September 21st) in 2374 shortly after Senator Vreenak was assassinated.
One of the great things about the Federation is they're consistently "superior" in tactics and technology because it's an amalgamation of so many distinct cultures and species. I grew up with Star Trek, from TNG to Enterprise, which colored my perception; The Federation is an inspiration for what we can be. Something we should aspire to be (something Picard and Discovery abandoned because the writers didn't understand why that outlandish principle existed). A black captain, at a time when that was still controversial, and the series never even addressed it. "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - MLK
They also have a tendency to over-engineer stuff. Too many "moving parts", so to speak. Important components are constantly suffering from coolant leaks or busted relays or overloads etc. etc. That, and all the rocks they store in overhead compartments...
The Federation is what a true socialist democracy should be. The Borg are what a true communist society should be. The Ferengi are what true capitalism should be. The Klingons are what a true militant group based democracy should be. The Romulans are what true fascism should be. The original show was about trying to teach Americans about the benefits of socialism without being communists during the Cold War era when anything even remotely socialist was deemed communist and was therefore the enemy.
2:05 I remember being EXTRA excited about this episode since this was the debut of the Akira-Class Starships on tv (post First Contact), and my did she look GREAT in action.
A hilariously idiotic statement from a hilariously bitter fan. Sod off, all you dipshits who keep commenting this crap on every single goddamn Trek video no matter the relevancy. The actual end of Trek will be on your heads.
... ok HOW?! they are BOTH in a Wide Shot along side the Akira class when they first appear. you practically need to be Blind not to notice two Defiant Class Ships Practically Zooming Past the Screen
@@oldtwinsna8347 why can't it be both... technically Voyager and DS9 were separate productions and they stay in their own lane for their assigned materials
Nope, seriously so much of their tech is underused. Picard literally used a holographic submachine gun to kill the Borg simply by disabling the safety of the holograms allowing them to cause damage. Another time, one of the officers managed to turn his com badge into a personal shield to block attacks. None of these show themselves later.
A lot of people giving shit to this ship, but the overall design and technology are quite decent. The ship basically has two drone ships, each one with their own shields and weapons, this can cause target saturation, where the enemy can't concentrate on one ship, spreading out it's firepower among them all, and should the enemy concentrate on one ship, it can move back out of range and have the enemy change targets then re-engage. With the limited AI it was able to engage and defeat romulan warships. It did show flaws, such as predictable attack patterns and obviously the main section is the control for the other two drone ships whenever there is insufficient personnel, as well as we can assume that separating then will decrease the shielding they each have (but this is somewhat mitigated by the regen shielding). The biggest flaw in all of this however is the creators of the ship, the Federation. Their peace like mindedness holds the ship back, as it was clearly shown, with medical AI the ship was able to deploy and attack successfully, but even then it required patterns that can be exploited by the enemy, having a more war oriented mind, specially one with the "art of war" in mind would make this ship far deadlier, specially if depeployed in force, and would allow for a cheaper ship, as it wouldn't need med bay, mess hall, or even life support, along many other things biological entities need. There is no perfect ship, but for hit and run tactics where numbers and firepower is key, this ship fits the bill very well.
I'd simply like to add, that in Star Trek Online? This ship can nearly compete with a cruiser, like Galaxy class, but split into three and you become something like like Defiant. In the end, this ship can't defeat a full-fledged cruiser, or defeat a full-fledged escort (like Defiant)....but it can be either at any given time, and that gives it a power very few ships ever had
I love how 4 phaser blasts takes out a Nebular class starship. "But wait because he split into 3 parts... it made the phasers more powerful....????" Then again 3 phaser blasts + a defiant assist = a dead Romulan Warbird lol. Who needs photon torpedoes LOL!
Lovely ship design. I wish Paramount would go back to this style of Star Trek. Oh well, at least we have The Orville. It's the closest thing to the Star Trek episodes I grew up with.
How about some torpedoes, coupled with phaser dimpling and transporting Starfleet Marines onboard, Bonchune? You have 128 marines and a shotload of torpedoes.
Subordinate: Commander, my I speak freely?Commander: I'll permit itSubordinate: we have a ship and a means to go where we please. There is no need to take this Prometheus back to RomulusCommander: ah but they task me--wait--why does this sound familiar
Amazing in a “how could this drug addicted maniac be allowed anywhere near civilized society after what he enabled Phil Hartman’s wife to get high on cocaine again, leading her to kill her beloved character actor husband just as his Star was really starting to rise” sort of way or amazing in an “Oh My GEEERD it’s Andy Dick, I love his comedy acts and his politics because I’ve literally *NEVER* looked into what anyone who knows him personally has said about his self-destructing private life” sort of way?
Colonel Jack O'Neill (Stargate SG1): "But why can't we call this ship the Enterprise?" *Names the ship Prometheus* Starfleet: "But why can't we call this ship the Prometheus?" *Names the ship Prometheus*
I'm partial to the Constellation-class myself, but - for the practical reason of not getting blown to hell if I got in a fight - I'd go for something like a Nebula or Galaxy class.
It would have been great if Starfleet chose to send Tric(EMH Mark 2, it's what they call him in the novel Star Trek: Prometheus) to Voyager along with the Doctor. Why, just imagine the madness that these two EMHs would get up to? 😆😆😆
Unless I'm mistaken I think the guy that played the lead Romulan hijacker of the Prometheus was the same one who played the Romulan scientist Telek R'Mor from when Voyager discovered that microwormhole with a temporal displacement....edit: I am mistaken....Telek R'Mor was played by Vaughn Armstrong and Rekar, the lead Romulan hijacker was played by Judson Scott...guess all Romulans look alike to me LOL :-P
So the phasers are off-line, with no one on board to repair them. Yet with the Prometheus separates it is firing its phasers. Plot holes or automatic/holographic repair systems?
The "Multi Vector Assault Mode" doesn't really make a lot of sense. It would be more practical to just have a fleet of small fighter drones, like an aircraft carrier.
When we do see fighters in Trek, they go down to a single phaser blast from a capital ship. They're little more than an annoyance, you need something big enough to fit a capital sized shield array to last long enough to accomplish anything. The only small ship we've seen take a beating and survive is the Delta flyer and that had Borg enhanced shielding (runabouts do OK but they're considerably bigger).
"Okay so we beam onto the bridge, right? We beam in, phasers at the ready expecting romulans everywhere, and there's nobody there except two starfleet officers who turned out to be holograms. One of them, clearly an EMH, was wearing the old uniform. And it turns out that it was from the lost starship Voyager!"
Why did we get all these shit prequels, like Enterprise and STD, when we could of got an amazing sequel, set after the end of Voyager, with this gorgeous ship?! Imagine watching a star trek show, where stuff actually mattered. Where when someone said the earth might get blown up, your first thought isn't "yeah, but it didn't get blown up, so this scene has zero tension" With tech that gets to be amazing, and not have to explain why Kirk didn't have any of it. Why did we never get this show, or any other show set after Voyager? Sure, we getting that Picard show, but it's not a full blown star trek, n I heard Patrick stewert is already getting all social justice warrior before the show even comes out
Thought that at first, but there is a simple explanation. The hologram had not targeted anything. Unlike a torpedo, which you can just chuck straight out of the tube and let it target the first thing it locks on, with a phaser, you have to aim it *somewhere*.
"B-b-b-b-but the phaser are offline!? How can they fire!?!1!11!one1!!" These two can't find the damn 'on' button on this ship. Try turning them on before firing - Like the computer did when it began attack sequance alpha.... But it's ok, far esier to overlook that and just bitch about it instead.
This was the most funny episode ever... Goes down in the history books- these 2 are awesome together- writing was great too unless they both winged the lines!!! Timing, lines, and the way they interacted together was perfect!
"They must think Romulans are on board!" "THEY'RE RIGHT!!" What perfect comedic timing by Robert Picardo
Oh yeah 😂
"Stop breathing down my neck." "My breathing is merely a simulation" "So is my neck, stop it anyway!"
"Whose fault is it; the torpedo's? You're supposed to tell it where to go!"
@@ScientistCat What to do :D
That bit was improvised I heard
Yea fun fact that line is actually an addition to the script from Robert Piccardo (The doctor), the original script was much more boring.
@@Vennnaya I was completely unaware of that, but if it's true, that's awesome.
Why did they cut the best dialog? “You hit the wrong ship!”; “not my fault!”; “Whose fault is it? The torpedoe’s?”
Funny thing is that the Doctor didn't tell the Prometheus EMH to do anything but press "Fire", so it's technically his fault for telling him to fire it without telling him to aim the torpedo at a target first.
"You're supposed to tell it what to do!"
@@Sovereign01
I'm a doctor! Not a commando!
@@chuchulainn9275 I am also a doctor as WELL !!
These two worked well together... well... for comedy relief. One of the funniest of the voyager episodes.
The episode should have been titled "double dosage of doctors"
It’s too bad Andy Dick is in irredeemably bastard in real life and is mostly likely responsible for getting Phil Hartman’s wife addicted to hard drugs again, causing her to murder him in cold blood with a gun. I’m glad the son a bitch was cancelled for sleeping around and just being a completely unreliable drug addict of an actor that most studios were just looking for a good excuse to stop hiring.
@@Popcultureguy3000 k
In terms of funniest episodes in all of _Star Trek_ history, this one ranks with "I, Mudd," "The Trouble With Tribbles," and "Trials and Tribble-ations." The best part of this episode, not involving the doctors, but just as funny, is when Seven "hangs up" on the Hirogen. Who hasn't wished we could do that to the robo-callers?
No it wasn’t, it was annoying. It’s Andy Dick for Godsakes.
"Stop breathing down my neck!"
"My breathing is a simulation."
"So is my neck, stop it anyway!"
My favorite lines of the episode, and there were an awful lot of good lines.
Robert Picardo, a man so talented he can make you actually enjoy an hour of TV involving Andy Dick
Dude cmon
Andy Dick is funny as hell
@@Toybinger yes, as much fun as hell... Correct
@@M0butu Bravo! BRAVO! Well said sir!
Andy was on point in this episode. He has some acting talent. Sadly he's a douche nozzle in real life.
"Find the one that says 'Fire!' and push it!"
Like me giving my mom instructions on how to send email.
tubez4321 more like trying to instruct grandfather on how to work DVD's on the phone back in the day.
tubez4321 "You hit the wrong ship!"
+jakep1979 I stil have problems getting the DVD's to fit in the phone.....
hahahaha YES! or like her having to tell you that you stink and need to shower and get a job!
looks like phasers are offline ... then fire a torpedoe
Starfleet Debriefing Official: You're from WHERE?!
just imagine that from the starfleet side beaming in expecting romulans and instead they are met with 2 MEDICAL holograms who have somehow taken control of the ship
Haha, I love that. From their perspective it would be like seeing a couple of toasters on the bridge.
The thought of starfleet reading the report is hilarious.
@@hungrydragonvsfrightendhob7799 We were able to recover the prometheus with 2 EMH's in control of bridge
Some admiral: TF
I remember seeing this for the first time and almost jumping out of my seat when I saw the Akira and two defiant class ships
Prometheus hologram : " I'm going up against Romulans & the Dominion! I'm bad ass!"
Doctor hologram : "Yeah, well I've kicked Borg butt! Beat that!"
Don't forget the Kazon allied with a Cardassian who infiltrated the Maquis
@@geoffwilliams4478 or species 8472
Can we just appreciate the badassery of the Akira?
The plan was apparently that the Akira would engage three D'deridex while the two Defiants take on the Prometheus.
Well, it can. That ship is a torpedo boat tank.
I love the way there's a system for people who somehow manage to forget what ship they're on to find out.
It would have been so much more fun if the EMH Mk.2 had been Bashir.
If I recall correctly, the Bashir hologram was meant to be a different line of medical holograms than the EMH.
Yeah Bashir was for this memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Long-term_Medical_Holographic_program
He was disqualifed anyway when they found out he was illegally genetically enhanced.
+Schwarzer Ritter...no, Bashir was intended to be the next upgrade of the EMH program, the Mark II. But his genetically enhanced condition was an issue that nearly got Bashir dismissed from StarFleet.
or Dr. McCoy....imagine him as the EMH mark 2 insulting all the Romulans? XD
I really wish they could've found a way to do a story like this with The Doctor and Data together. Two of the most popular characters of their shows(Seven of Nine and Worf as well) who were both yearning to be human and evolved from advanced AI to sentinent beings would've been a very compelling relationship and I think it'd be funny too with their personalities lol. Alas it wasn't meant to be.
How was this not seen as an act of war? They stole a Federation ship and killed its crew!
The excuse was it was rouge Romulans
How they got 3 fully equipped ships at a time Any useful vessel was being used in the war effort in some way is beyond me.
The individuals in this accident acted without the knowledge nor the consent of the Romulan star Empire and we condemn their actions. Instant for relations primer on how you can avoid going to war when you attack someone.
The Federation was already at war with the Dominion, they couldn't afford to fight a war with the Romulan empire as well. But given how easily the Federation fleet dealt with the Romulan ships, the Romulans would be suing for peace anyway.
@@Joesolo13 that's easy to excuse how they got to romulan ships:
Federation: would you care to explain how those "rogue romulans" got their hand on your ships?
Romulan ambassador: probably the same way they got the Prometheus
@@Joesolo13 rouge? or rogue
I was hoping the next series after Voyager would be set aboard the Prometheus. Such a beautiful ship.
As long as Andy Dick was kept far away from it, I would have been fine with that.
Tbh I like it better than Voyager. Granted Voyager's design was created when the show was greenlit. Unsure when exactly the Prometheus was originally conceptualized. Some times ship designs and models get re-purposed across the shows.
HOLY SHIT, THAT'S WHY HE LOOKS FAMILIAR!
Such a shame to build that whole beautiful set, and then not use it.
Yeah Star Trek just got worse.
"What are they doing?!"
"Firing on us!"
"They must think Romulans are on board!"
"They're right!"
"What happened to the Prometheus?"
"It had to..."
[puts on sunglasses]
"...split."
YEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!
I must clap you and hate you at the same time.
"I understood that reference!"
🤦♂️🤣
@@bogustoast22none25 Engage multi-vector emotion mode!
Patrick C Stop it
"Lower your shields immediately, or I'll open fire..."
_complex mathematical symbols start floating by my head_
And that was how the two EMHs got their own TV series.
+BTL Y-Wing If it had Robert Picardo, I'd watch it.
BTL Y-Wing Sounds like an Odd Couple remake. "Can two holograms share a starship without driving each other crazy?"
Probably not, but it would be fun to watch them try.
If only the new Star Wars films were as well-wr4itten and exciting as this episode.
Que seinfeld theme
They forgot: The Doctor: "You hit the wrong ship. EMH II: "It wasn't my fault!"The Doctor: "Well whose fault was it!? The torpedo's!? You're supposed to tell it what to do!"
EMH mk2 shows incredible shooting skill by missing a 1km warbird and hitting a 190m defiant.(ding)
+Richard Van Aken He's doctor dammit, not a tactical officer!
Richard Van Aken "You hit the wrong ship!"
you maybe forgot that a photontorpedoe needs a certain distance of traveling before the targeting system and warhead are armed the defiant whas in the wrong place at the wrong time
To be fair, all he did was launch the torpedo blindly without actually locking it. I'm surprised the torpedo didn't just travel in a straight line.
Maybe the Romulans had the photon torpedoes preprogrammed to target federation starships.
I still can't believe that Andy Dick was sober enough to perform successfully.
I can’t believe anyone thought it was a good idea to cast him
What makes you think he was sober
it really is sad, since he's clearly a rather good actor when he's not under the influence. I really hope he can overcome his demons.
This episode was the first time a Romulan D'deridex was destroyed on screen, and it was glorious
EDIT: Somewhat mistaken here, this was the first D'deridex destroyed on screen by Star Fleet
Not so, In Star Trek The Next Generation, Season 2 episode 2, "Where Silence Has Lease" a Romulan warbird was destroyed, granted the alien Nagilum, created it inside the space void. But do agree, loved seeing that scene.
Mike B First time for a real D'deridex then
I did like the fact that they showed Starfleet firing on the Romulans, considering in TNG, Romulans fired on the Enterprise don't know how many times, and they didn't fire back. not including the aforementioned episode from TNG.
Weren't a few destroyed over the course of DS9? Or was every single one off-screen?
You guys are bad and should feel bad... The first time a D'deridex class ship was destroyed for real was in the episode 'Tin Man.' And you call yourselves Trekkies... tut tut
I believe this hints that the Defiant class was getting put back into active service nad production due to the efforts of the DS9 Crew given that there where only a half dozen of them when the Defiant herself was assigned to Sisko. Why would 2 of them be following an Akira unless they were becoming more common.
More common, yes. They weren't coming out of mushroom spacedocks like spores. They're still high-maintenance. Escorting a larger asset is more in line with their original intent. Originally a prototype for a fleet, not just a class. Defiant was effective, apparently, on screen in everything from minelayer to battleship. It's shown on science duty, even though it was specifically stated lacking such specialized amenities.
Prometheus was a refined warship with a higher cost, but much longer duration, endurance, and even more firepower in mind. Multi-vector mode was gimmicky to be honest. Redundancy for three effective parts is a lot less efficient than say two armed and armored halves.
I imagine two three ways of going to rebuild the fleet from war losses.
First, lightly armored frigates with independent multi-role capacity, long range, good speed, modest maintenance demands, and power projection on par with a heavy cruiser.
Second, a less numerous warship with roughly the geometry of Defiant, slightly smaller and more compact, taking advantage of tech refinements, experience with Defiants in the field, with emphasize on greater agility and defensive weapons for escort and fleet defense rather than more powerful frontal assaults. Supplement Defiant class with lower build and maintenance costs, lower crew requirements, and more sustainable vehicle for peacekeeping.
Less common, and more specialized Interceptor based on an armored Nova design, with more firepower, powerful sensors, quad nacelles, a second impulse system, and twin reactor. Splitting into two would be impressive, but probably not worth the development and construction costs.
Cause they are cutting edge porpouse built escort warships, something stafleet *doesnt have at all* bsides them, save for the prometheus, which just got stolen, and needed retaking.
Well, this episode did demonstrate that Emergency Command Holograms were a viable solution.
You know, I never really thought about it, but it's actually kinda lucky that the Romulans tried to steal the Prometheus. If they never tried to steal her, she probably never would have gone within range of the alien relay network and Voyager would never have been able to send the Doctor to her. Without that, Starfleet wouldn't have known Voyager wasn't destroyed until she got home or a ship did pass within range of the network. Thus, they never would have set up a team to try to contact Voyager, and the series would have been very different.
it's almost as if it's all part of a larger story or something.
I think the ship was already in range of the sensor network before ithe Romulans took it over!
They're holograms, why do they care if it gets bumpy?
+Anh Triệu I have always thought the same thing.
Well if Doc gets bumped hard in that 'addition to my program' he made, it could be rather painful.
Star Trek never really thematized it, but they're effectly self-concious AIs.
oxmys Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Lol
Just because they can't be hurt doesn't mean they like getting thrown around
Shouldn't the computer have requested some kind of verification before attacking a Starfleet vessel?
last target was a Nebula so i guess it was locked on federation pattern.
A) suspension of belief, to keep the plot moving forward.
B) it's a prototype NX-##### , other vessels (and perhaps this one, after it's tested) may have safeties installed.
C) while logical, Starfleet vessels attack each fairly regularly. The Maquis used Starfleet vessels, others might take similar measures negating the point.
Have you forgotten the Romulans had it? Systems been compromised because of them?
It’s possible the computer auto targets an attacking vessel regardless of flag. Are you forgetting that nebula shot at the Prometheus first?
If only the ship had Captcha enabled none of this could have happened! /s
Okay, I'm sorry, but Starfleet needs to fire whoever is in charge of programming their ships, because a simple IFF would be absurdly easy to add, and that would be enough to prevent stuff like the Prometheus attacking a Nebula-class.
It would also stop the nebula class attacking the stolen Prometheus...
And prevent Voyager from stopping the Equinox that was murdering its way through the Delta quadrant.
And prevent the Lakota from intercepting the Defiant that they thought was commandeered by changelings.
And prevent the Enterprise-D from hunting down the Phoenix that was murdering its way through Cardassian space and about to start a war.
And prevent the Excelsior going after the stolen Enterprise
Seems like it would do more harm than good.
@@Slavir_Nabru I mean, the thing is, we know that starfleet in the 2260s already had command codes which could override shields and presumably weapons and other systems, had they kept such a system in place, with authorization from whichever admirals, it would allow such encounters to be even easier. Other than the Voyager vs Equinox, but I'm sure Torres could disable an IFF system.
Dat ending
Security officers are like : oh there just holograms.
yeah like OH SHOOT< drop yer weapons, they got HYPO SPRAYS
This Episode is under my top ten list of voy. Awesome acting from both EMH. I do have a crush on both of them. Lol
Two defiant class ships
A ship full with Romulans. They sent in 2 people.
if you watch the episode there's only about a dozen romulans. even if all of them where on the bridge, 2 people with weapons of that level could probably clear the bridge in a few shots.
They knew that the Prometheus has been retaken, because why would they fire on their own ships ?
the prometheus looks alot like acturis's ship, the one that can quantum slip stream.
nunya biznez thank you
@Ganda Gandara they did hold out against the borg for centuries. so they must be strong
I really love the moment when Starfleet arrives, and this time with not a single thought wasted on negotiations. OPEN FIRE!
@Főfasírozó Funnier...? Despite it's pacifistic talk they are not stupid. Or rather shouldn't be. Destroying a Prototype is way better than let it fall to an enemy.
Prometheus was hotter than shit on a San Francisco sidewalk. Starfleet Command ordered in no uncertain terms "Retake or Destroy by any means necessary."
They clarify in the episode that the Romulan ships are jamming communications so they are literally not able to communicate with each other, even if they wanted to
Romulans are my favorite species but I always felt this episode should have had the Dominion stealing the ship. It was a perfect opportunity for a crossover episode!
sigh....
+Jon Luna Not really... as the Romulans is not involve in the Dominion war as mention, it's perfectly reasonable for them to take advantage to steal some tech in the confusion of war since they became a lesser focus as oppose to the enemy the federation is engaging in open warfare.
I agree
***** About right... the Romulans only join the rest of the against the Dominion during the later stage of the war... which is season 7, before that, they were "neutral".
Voyager's EMH arrived on the Prometheus on Stardate 51462 (June 18th) in 2374, and whereas the Dominion War was 2373 - 2375, the Romulans joined the Federation Alliance on Stardate 51721.3 (September 21st) in 2374 shortly after Senator Vreenak was assassinated.
It's a FAAAAAKKKKKKEEEEE!
“They must think romulans are on board” “there right” lol
One of my favourite voyager episodes lol
One of the great things about the Federation is they're consistently "superior" in tactics and technology because it's an amalgamation of so many distinct cultures and species. I grew up with Star Trek, from TNG to Enterprise, which colored my perception; The Federation is an inspiration for what we can be. Something we should aspire to be (something Picard and Discovery abandoned because the writers didn't understand why that outlandish principle existed). A black captain, at a time when that was still controversial, and the series never even addressed it. "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - MLK
They also have a tendency to over-engineer stuff. Too many "moving parts", so to speak. Important components are constantly suffering from coolant leaks or busted relays or overloads etc. etc.
That, and all the rocks they store in overhead compartments...
@Apsoy Pike What?
Well sometimes mixing inferior cultures with superior ones don't work well...
@@ramirowendler And these cultures are superior or inferior based on what yard stick?
The Federation is what a true socialist democracy should be. The Borg are what a true communist society should be. The Ferengi are what true capitalism should be. The Klingons are what a true militant group based democracy should be. The Romulans are what true fascism should be. The original show was about trying to teach Americans about the benefits of socialism without being communists during the Cold War era when anything even remotely socialist was deemed communist and was therefore the enemy.
"Attack pattern, mmm... alpha?" LOL
Starfleet wasn’t playing, they sent 2 Defiant class and an Akira class ship , orders retrieve the prototype the vessel Prometheus if not destroy it.
Nice design but I would prefer it if the multi vector assault mode was a dual split as it looks silly with a singular tiny nacelle on the third split.
This has to be one of my favourite Doctor episodes
Fairly convinced the reason that torpedo hit a Defiant and not the other Starfleet vessel was just friendly rivarly between Voyager and DS9
Voyager was jealous that they were 2nd rate to DS9 in every way possible.
2:05 I remember being EXTRA excited about this episode since this was the debut of the Akira-Class Starships on tv (post First Contact), and my did she look GREAT in action.
when literal holograms have to 'brace for turbulence"
The worst episode of voyager is 10000 times better than an episode of star trek discovery.
The only thing good about Discovery is Captain Pike basically
@@digtzydogmemechannel5670 Yup.
@@commodore256 was that the one with the salamanders?
A hilariously idiotic statement from a hilariously bitter fan. Sod off, all you dipshits who keep commenting this crap on every single goddamn Trek video no matter the relevancy. The actual end of Trek will be on your heads.
You haven't seen that much voyager. Discovery isn't bad.
At 2:32 when the Andy Dick EMH pushes the button on the console the whole panel bends, big production error.
funniest moment of that scene for me
I love the doc.
*"They must think Romulans are on board!"*
*"THEY'RE RIGHT!!!"*
As the Romulans are the only life signs that would register.
@@Someonehahaha *Nothing gets past you, does it?*
@@ReverendSyn of course not. I am too quick and will catch it.
Good thing the computer knows the difference between Star Fleet ships and Romulan's lol
To this day I still love that episode.😊
I don't know why I never noticed there were 2 Defiant class ships coming to the rescue... damn that's good continuity
... ok HOW?! they are BOTH in a Wide Shot along side the Akira class when they first appear. you practically need to be Blind not to notice two Defiant Class Ships Practically Zooming Past the Screen
Or just saving money by using the existing models.
@@oldtwinsna8347 why can't it be both... technically Voyager and DS9 were separate productions and they stay in their own lane for their assigned materials
Ok so after this the federation made holographic defense programs for their ships right?
Nope, seriously so much of their tech is underused. Picard literally used a holographic submachine gun to kill the Borg simply by disabling the safety of the holograms allowing them to cause damage. Another time, one of the officers managed to turn his com badge into a personal shield to block attacks. None of these show themselves later.
+HellsRaven4444 Lord Vader would never have let this technology go to waste lol
Or put a killswitch under the captains chair to prevent hostile take-over?
Would it not be easier just to wait until the ship is fully manned before taking it on a rundown cruise near the Romulan Neutral Zone?
made the ECH EMERGENCY COMMAND HOLoGRAM
idk man attack pattern alpha is a pretty good skill in star trek online :P
A lot of people giving shit to this ship, but the overall design and technology are quite decent.
The ship basically has two drone ships, each one with their own shields and weapons, this can cause target saturation, where the enemy can't concentrate on one ship, spreading out it's firepower among them all, and should the enemy concentrate on one ship, it can move back out of range and have the enemy change targets then re-engage.
With the limited AI it was able to engage and defeat romulan warships.
It did show flaws, such as predictable attack patterns and obviously the main section is the control for the other two drone ships whenever there is insufficient personnel, as well as we can assume that separating then will decrease the shielding they each have (but this is somewhat mitigated by the regen shielding).
The biggest flaw in all of this however is the creators of the ship, the Federation. Their peace like mindedness holds the ship back, as it was clearly shown, with medical AI the ship was able to deploy and attack successfully, but even then it required patterns that can be exploited by the enemy, having a more war oriented mind, specially one with the "art of war" in mind would make this ship far deadlier, specially if depeployed in force, and would allow for a cheaper ship, as it wouldn't need med bay, mess hall, or even life support, along many other things biological entities need.
There is no perfect ship, but for hit and run tactics where numbers and firepower is key, this ship fits the bill very well.
I'd simply like to add, that in Star Trek Online?
This ship can nearly compete with a cruiser, like Galaxy class, but split into three and you become something like like Defiant.
In the end, this ship can't defeat a full-fledged cruiser, or defeat a full-fledged escort (like Defiant)....but it can be either at any given time, and that gives it a power very few ships ever had
I love how 4 phaser blasts takes out a Nebular class starship. "But wait because he split into 3 parts... it made the phasers more powerful....????" Then again 3 phaser blasts + a defiant assist = a dead Romulan Warbird lol. Who needs photon torpedoes LOL!
thoses holograms could become op and create a plot hole in the franchise.
Voyagers funniest episode!!!😂😂
I love the two Defiants.
_"Tough little ships"_
I love their celebration.
Have to say, this is one of my favourite episodes
Lovely ship design. I wish Paramount would go back to this style of Star Trek. Oh well, at least we have The Orville. It's the closest thing to the Star Trek episodes I grew up with.
How about some torpedoes, coupled with phaser dimpling and transporting Starfleet Marines onboard, Bonchune? You have 128 marines and a shotload of torpedoes.
Akira-class tanking like a boss.
I still think this ship, is "all that, and a bag of (micro)chips!"
If I were to ever captain a ship in the Trek Verse, it’d be a Prometheus class.
Subordinate: Commander, my I speak freely?Commander: I'll permit itSubordinate: we have a ship and a means to go where we please. There is no need to take this Prometheus back to RomulusCommander: ah but they task me--wait--why does this sound familiar
The fact Andy Dick was in an episode of Star Trek is so amazing
Amazing in a “how could this drug addicted maniac be allowed anywhere near civilized society after what he enabled Phil Hartman’s wife to get high on cocaine again, leading her to kill her beloved character actor husband just as his Star was really starting to rise” sort of way or amazing in an “Oh My GEEERD it’s Andy Dick, I love his comedy acts and his politics because I’ve literally *NEVER* looked into what anyone who knows him personally has said about his self-destructing private life” sort of way?
@@Popcultureguy3000
He was funny in this and that's literally all I care to know about him.
Colonel Jack O'Neill (Stargate SG1): "But why can't we call this ship the Enterprise?" *Names the ship Prometheus*
Starfleet: "But why can't we call this ship the Prometheus?" *Names the ship Prometheus*
If I were ever in command of my own ship, I'd like it to be a Prometheus class.
Sovereign class for me, that baby can hit a nasty punch and it looks magnificent.
Nova class,its sooooo cute ... besides i'd rather explore space and not be shot at :P
Melissa Ryan At least have an intrepid class
nepomusik Akira-class for me. Versatile ship that can ruin someone's day if mistaken for your average Federation science vessel.
I'm partial to the Constellation-class myself, but - for the practical reason of not getting blown to hell if I got in a fight - I'd go for something like a Nebula or Galaxy class.
It would have been great if Starfleet chose to send Tric(EMH Mark 2, it's what they call him in the novel Star Trek: Prometheus) to Voyager along with the Doctor. Why, just imagine the madness that these two EMHs would get up to?
😆😆😆
It is one of my favorite episodes of Voyager.
@ 3:20. Fucking Defiant n00b killstealing
Andy Dick really nailed that role right on the head.
Unless I'm mistaken I think the guy that played the lead Romulan hijacker of the Prometheus was the same one who played the Romulan scientist Telek R'Mor from when Voyager discovered that microwormhole with a temporal displacement....edit: I am mistaken....Telek R'Mor was played by Vaughn Armstrong and Rekar, the lead Romulan hijacker was played by Judson Scott...guess all Romulans look alike to me LOL :-P
Love Ekhartsladder's take on it... "This is the most deviantart, self insert fan fiction spaceship ever designed"
Should have done a spin off show. Bosom Holograms.
The ship was badass but the acting was a little cheesy
+equenoxe86 no, a yeast infection is cheesy!
It's the other way around; the acting was fun to watch but the ship was a cheesy wankfest.
From all Starfleet Ships I love this the most. It's sexy.
imagine a whole fleet of Prometheus-class ships in the Dominion War.....Dominion's ass would've been grass xD
prometheus should have been a new series
Whoever came up with the concept of the Prometheus should be shot with a ball of their own shit.
@@halwakka504 r u d e
So the phasers are off-line, with no one on board to repair them. Yet with the Prometheus separates it is firing its phasers. Plot holes or automatic/holographic repair systems?
It sounds like Andes back in the movie. In the army now haha!
Defiant Classes: YAY, I HELPED!
No wonder the romulans wanted to steal the ship. It's a damn battleship but the manervabilry of a PT boat.
The "Multi Vector Assault Mode" doesn't really make a lot of sense. It would be more practical to just have a fleet of small fighter drones, like an aircraft carrier.
When we do see fighters in Trek, they go down to a single phaser blast from a capital ship. They're little more than an annoyance, you need something big enough to fit a capital sized shield array to last long enough to accomplish anything. The only small ship we've seen take a beating and survive is the Delta flyer and that had Borg enhanced shielding (runabouts do OK but they're considerably bigger).
Overpowered silliness.
"Okay so we beam onto the bridge, right? We beam in, phasers at the ready expecting romulans everywhere, and there's nobody there except two starfleet officers who turned out to be holograms. One of them, clearly an EMH, was wearing the old uniform. And it turns out that it was from the lost starship Voyager!"
Wasn't this after when the Romulans had joined up with the Federation in the Dominion War?
2:18 there are so many controls, lol
Why did we get all these shit prequels, like Enterprise and STD, when we could of got an amazing sequel, set after the end of Voyager, with this gorgeous ship?!
Imagine watching a star trek show, where stuff actually mattered. Where when someone said the earth might get blown up, your first thought isn't "yeah, but it didn't get blown up, so this scene has zero tension"
With tech that gets to be amazing, and not have to explain why Kirk didn't have any of it.
Why did we never get this show, or any other show set after Voyager?
Sure, we getting that Picard show, but it's not a full blown star trek, n I heard Patrick stewert is already getting all social justice warrior before the show even comes out
"It says here the phasers are offline!"
60 Seconds Later: Fires phasers whilst in Multi Vector Assault Mode...
Generally when Star Trek says "Offline" they mean "Switched off".
Thought that at first, but there is a simple explanation. The hologram had not targeted anything. Unlike a torpedo, which you can just chuck straight out of the tube and let it target the first thing it locks on, with a phaser, you have to aim it *somewhere*.
@@Debbiebabe69 That's a fair point.
Voyager? Errors? Say it ain’t so.
www.nitcentral.com/oddsends/voystat2.htm
"B-b-b-b-but the phaser are offline!? How can they fire!?!1!11!one1!!"
These two can't find the damn 'on' button on this ship. Try turning them on before firing - Like the computer did when it began attack sequance alpha....
But it's ok, far esier to overlook that and just bitch about it instead.
Extremley Marginal Housecalls in action. Two of them in fact. #darwinAwards
Were the starfleet personnel carrying disruptor rifles? Seem to me they were some MAC-SOG kind of military group, LOL
This was the most funny episode ever... Goes down in the history books- these 2 are awesome together- writing was great too unless they both winged the lines!!! Timing, lines, and the way they interacted together was perfect!
Been saying this a while now...
These ships should break into multiple sections, defend crew compartment section and flank ability
The good days of Trek. Nothing like the garbage of Discovery.
Discovery is the worst. I couldnt watch it.
@@abundantYOUniverse It's better than DS9 and JJ Trek.
@@mickeye6428 Nope not even close.
@@abundantYOUniverse Thanks for showing up to be all wrong and borderline illiterate.
@@mickeye6428 said the little butt hurt lazy troll LOL
Why don't this ship carry quantum torpedoes besides the usual weapons, I guess multi vector assault mode makes up for it