I have a near identical base Taycan and charged at the Sheetz just a couple of weekends ago when I took a trip from Raleigh to Hatteras. I’m not as disciplined as the range test and went with the flow of traffic and occasionally bumped the 85 mph limit in Range mode. Even with that, I still averaged 240-250 miles per charge each way. And, as Kyle has often noted, the charge speed is phenomenal. #lovemytaycan
The best part is that the Porsche doesn't have that unfinished prototype look by having a Kindle glued to the dash. That's the only thing I hate about my S. Never got used to it. Porsche integrated the display beautifully.
Smaller packs with fast charging will be great once the fast charging infrastructure is built up even more. The main downside is that you will go through charge cycles more quickly, so if the priority is to get maximum lifespan out of your EV, a bigger battery pack should, in theory, degrade more slowly.
That's true. Improved efficiency will also fix charging speeds. Today you get about 20-30 miles per hour of charging on Level 2. But if future EVs eventually become twice as efficient, you'll get 40-60 miles per hour with no change to the infrastructure. Efficiency is king.
The now world-famous Conner family trait: talk and videotape while driving...miss a turn/exit...backtrack. Wouldn't be an Out of Spec Review video without one😁
You found what I discovered, the Taycan is the very best EV and most accurate in range and absolutely fastest at charging. Lastly, most comfortable and most fun to drive on the road or on the track.
The Polestar CEO, Thomas Ingenlath, agrees with you Kyle. He says that 500 kms (310 miles) is enough. Anything more is wasteful. He says EVs should emphasize charging speed and charging curves over range. Can't wait for the Polestar 3..... I also have a Model Y order, real highway range 275 miles. Nov-Feb delivery window.
@@abraxastulammo9940 I would say 310 miles EPA (500 kms), which would be about 290 miles at 70 mph, of course less range at a speed of 130 kph in Europe, but you need less range in Europe than in the more spread out and less densely populated US.
Glad to see a base RWD test. Porsche definitely needs to work on efficiency and weight for their next gen EVs, and I am sure they will. Even though Kyle likes the standard battery version, I would still go for the big battery RWD model myself. That gives you extra power and longer battery life, as well as the extra range. It does weight a bit more, but the small battery car is still extremely heavy, so no big advantage in my eyes.
This was Porsche's first attempt at an EV, and was relatively good compared to everybody other than Tesla. I'm sure that the next attempt will be a whole lot better. But the current Taycan is a pretty poor choice compared to a Tesla 3.
At first I was really confused about why you were so excited with 214 miles of range at 340 Wh/mile. Then I saw how fast that thing charges. Miles per minute of charging is probably the most important metric with these cars for long trips. What is the highest miles per minute charging of all of the EV cars? I assume the Long range Lucid Air would hold that crown?
After a recent long drive, I thought about my minimum requirements for a no-compromise road trip EV. It needs ~250 miles of freeway speed range and the option to charge to 80% in about 15 minutes (I say option because I'd likely do at least one longer meal break where useful charging speeds could be as slow as 40 or 50 kW). We have a number of EVs that are very close to doing that now, but there's still the issue of price and ultimately being reliant on and tethered to DC charging infrastructure.
Tesla and Ioniq 5 are close to that. Ioniq 5 claims to get about 10-80% in 18 minutes. Real world conditions are probably slower, but they're getting there.
@@hermanwooster8944 The biggest issue is how far they fall short of 250 miles at freeway speeds. I'm reviewing a KIA EV6 soon, which should also come very close to that standard.
I have a 2019 Tesla 3 LRDM that I drive from the SF bay area out to Jackson, WY about 4 times a year. 900 miles. I typically charge 4 times en route, about 20 minutes per stop with ~200 mile legs. I have found that this trip takes no longer in the Tesla than in my former IC vehicles because the range and charging times are pretty much what my body and mind wants anyhow. As others have noted, the supercharger network is pretty much flawless. Basically, this car is every bit as real-world useful as any IC vehicle I've owned.
@@dangrass Definitely. The Tesla Model 3 would have been the car to replace my Chevy Volt if Tesla had adopted CCS and played nice with the public charging infrastructure. Because they didn't offer those options, I've been fine paying the 30 minute to 1 hour tax per every 500 miles I drive for now. With the new EVs coming out, it looks like I have plenty of options to choose from that will meet or possibly exceed my standard. The KIA EV6 is sitting on my driveway right now, so I'll be able to put it through its paces this weekend.
We love the Taycan but they are spending more time in the shop than owners garages. Nurse works a 12 hour overnight shift to come out and the Taycan won't "start". Has to deal with that, get sleep and report back to the hospital in 12 hours. Taycan going to be in the shop 2 weeks. Third incident. $140K. Over priced, but a nice car when they work. No question, an amazing car.
I have the 4S with the larger battery. I can in warm months like now, get in the neighborhood of 300 miles of range on road trips. Depending on how i drive, i can get over or under that 300 mark.
Hi everyone, I'm traveling to Europe within two months, I'm planning to rent an EV from Brussels mostly. I don't any idea about the charging cost or charging stations availability in Belgium specifically and in whole Europe generally. Is there any chance to charge for free in Europe?
Bruh Kyle where can I get a Taycan at MSRP? I’m not paying 20k over for this car and I can’t find any dealer that will give a reasonable price. I’m in soCal
Don't worry Gary, if you can hang on a few months, Uncle Joe is arranging for a severe 4th quarter recession. You'll see factory rebates by late winter..
Undoubtedly nice. I'm always doing a double take when I see a Taycan (not the front though, not a fan). Strange that a car with good aero, 2 speed transmission and not "that" much power (base model) is so inefficient though. I look forward to what they do with the electric cayman because it can't have a huge battery as it won't go over well being a porker.
@@rudyyyxu the top end of both the newest Model 3 Performance and Model 3 LR with boost is actually decent. They both trap out above 117 mph in the 1/4 mile. That is plenty for normal roads. They definitely could make it pull harder up top but it isn’t as bad as everyone makes it sound.
@@LearningFast yeah but without track mode it’s not as fun. I guess we can’t have everything. Also i think a 2018 model 3 p should have the same top end as the latest?
In some ways I'm impressed - 214 miles on electric range is a great job for batteries that have come a long way. In another way it's disappointing. I'd like to see similar ranges to gas cars, which is double. The Taycan looks great, as most EVs do. Just not ready for primetime.
Quite strange. I have the same spec, but 20” Vossen wheels and I get way more than this. 240-250. When I drive hard, and charge it to 100% the PCM shows me 235, so if I was to drive it more smooth pretty sure I could get 15 more miles. Easy. I think the conditions totally affected you guys, wind played a very important role.
The wind definitely didn't help, gusts as high as 27mph that day. My driving the estimate is usually 227 but that is in a very hilly area that I live. I may conduct another 70mph test once the new tires are put on the 20" wheels I have to see what it can do in its usual form without crazy wind.
So the range was a little more than EPA, you knew this before you started. Of more interest is the charge time and why it kept bricking, but just glossed over that!
I have a ‘20 model 3 performance with the 20” wheels. I drive 80% highway 20% city streets, which is pretty awful for range for an EV. It has the ~75kWh pack. With the many hills (start at 800ft above sea level, work is 1200ft above) and elevation change, I see about the same range. I can get 200-225mi per charge in the real world, with primarily 70-75mph freeway speeds. It’s more than enough, and I’ve never had range anxiety because superchargers are everywhere. I wish Tesla was more upfront/conservative about range ratings. It seems they’re the type to squeeze unrealistic numbers in their cars. I still am happy with my car, but I have NEVER gotten 310 EPA range that was on the sticker, or the 279mi “forum/realistic range” either…
That's exactly the sort of range I saw out of my model 3 performance! Everyone claimed I was making a huge mistake by getting the Porsche, but the range works out to be quite similar at the end.
Nice car, the Porsche 👍🏻 I have a Rivian on order, and all the reviews seem to point to actually having 300mi of real world range. Which will be a huge upgrade for me 😂
I think the pre heat pump cars have a huge hit in range compared to the ones that came later. My LFP M3 can meet or exceed the EPA range if I try. If I don’t then it’s only 10 or 20 miles off
Hey Kyle, got a question: my dad is looking to get his first electric SUV, and he’s trying to decide between the Ford Mustang Mach-E and the Tesla Model Y. My dad says he wants the Mach-E, but I personally want him to get a Y (I wouldn’t mind the Mach-E, however). What would you recommend if you had to pick between the two? Why/why not? Keep up the great work Kyle. Stay safe with your family, best wishes from California 👍
@@scottbreseke716 Which translated into nothing as Teslas are getting demolished by first-generation cars from other carmakers, legacy and startup, while a decade later they are still trying to sort out how to make interior panels line up and how to completely paint the bumpers on $100,000 cars.
Too short range for my neck of the woods. The EQS chrges at almost the same rate but gives you 120 more miles plus it charges 80% in about the same time. You still have to prove how 800 is better than 400v. Still not proven..... with any vehicle. Fat and steady still better than fast and peaky.
Did you see the recent "charging cannonball" race on OOS? The Hyundai Ioniq 5 actually beat the Tesla Model 3 and X. I don't know if it's due to the 800v architecture or not, but it made me look at the Ioniq 5 in a new light.
@@hermanwooster8944 The ionic 5 has the best charging in the industry. The Mercedes EQS is second, despite the 400V architecture. Its not about max charging rate its about average kw. Though the EQS max rate is just around 200, its curve is flat at that level for a long time and has a gradual rather than abrupt downward curve after 50% SOC. Despite its very large battery it can charge 80% in 30 min. It also beats Tesla!
This is the used car I would buy after owning my Tesla Model 3 which I love. Was hoping it would depreciate a lot and be the unpopular orphan due to it being a base model as is usually the case regarding base, poorly optioned Porsche cars but these things won't lose much value with the insane gas prices and shortage of EV's. Oh well, will happily drive my Tesla for another 3 yrs until that time comes.
By de-rating the epa range they've changed the story from, this EV has unacceptable range, to, this ev always beats its epa range. Disappointing so many people have fallen for it. You'd think such a all car with a big battery would do better, but as usual the taycon continues to underperform.
My previous 2020 model 3 Performance got a very similar real world range with a similar usable capacity. The only difference is people didn't comment online calling it disappointing. At least the method Porsche uses feels a bit more honest for the consumer.
When you buy a 400-mile Tesla, you get a 350-mile car. When you buy a 300-mile Tesla, you get a 250-mile car. For a consumer, that's much more deceptive than having a car that hits its advertised range or even outperforms it. When Car and Driver ran Taycan Turbo and MSP head to head, the highway range was nearly identical despite a 100-mile difference in advertised range. Porsche just cares about their reputation and the consumer experience -- if they say the car will hit an advertised performance number, it will do so ever under the worst possible conditions. Tesla doesn't care about anything that has to do with consumers.
They're backing up on dealers lots out here. People order them, then when it arrives the blush has wore off, buyers remorse and it gets put into the showroom or the lot. Nice car.
@@Dive-Bar-Casanova not a good time to sell technology stocks, those folks are putting off their order…not in my area though, all kinds of rich engineers
214 mile range for a seriously overweight, slow, and inefficient $100k car with an 80kw battery? If this is good, I’d hate to see what bad looks like. Seriously, this thing is seriously lame when compared to A $60k Tesla. All it has going for it is the nameplate.
5:48 the most stupid charge port location on any EV. Porsche have some very clever engineers but they were clearly all drunk the day they located the charge port.
Taycan exceeds EPA because manufacturer declares their own data. They decided to play it safe. For the money, this small battery version won’t age well.
Answer at 21:45 214 miles………
I have a near identical base Taycan and charged at the Sheetz just a couple of weekends ago when I took a trip from Raleigh to Hatteras.
I’m not as disciplined as the range test and went with the flow of traffic and occasionally bumped the 85 mph limit in Range mode. Even with that, I still averaged 240-250 miles per charge each way. And, as Kyle has often noted, the charge speed is phenomenal. #lovemytaycan
Yep, that matches AMCI's Testing Results on a 2021.
You have the standard regular battery and not the performance battery plus? That’s crazy getting even 240-250 miles.
The best part is that the Porsche doesn't have that unfinished prototype look by having a Kindle glued to the dash. That's the only thing I hate about my S. Never got used to it. Porsche integrated the display beautifully.
Those standard rims with the painted blacks look great. Makes a hideous rim look like a Fuchs. Great job there, couldn’t take my eyes off them.
What is the official EPA rated range of Kyle's bladder @ 70mph?
He doesn't talk about the pee jug in any of his videos.
Smaller packs with fast charging will be great once the fast charging infrastructure is built up even more. The main downside is that you will go through charge cycles more quickly, so if the priority is to get maximum lifespan out of your EV, a bigger battery pack should, in theory, degrade more slowly.
That's true. Improved efficiency will also fix charging speeds. Today you get about 20-30 miles per hour of charging on Level 2. But if future EVs eventually become twice as efficient, you'll get 40-60 miles per hour with no change to the infrastructure. Efficiency is king.
The now world-famous Conner family trait: talk and videotape while driving...miss a turn/exit...backtrack. Wouldn't be an Out of Spec Review video without one😁
I was very confused to see a Sheetz in Colorado, if only for a few minutes.
I'm one minute in and distracted by the paint on the front wing and door....I need to know...
You found what I discovered, the Taycan is the very best EV and most accurate in range and absolutely fastest at charging. Lastly, most comfortable and most fun to drive on the road or on the track.
We were just there at that charging station a month ago with my EQS.
The Polestar CEO, Thomas Ingenlath, agrees with you Kyle. He says that 500 kms (310 miles) is enough. Anything more is wasteful. He says EVs should emphasize charging speed and charging curves over range. Can't wait for the Polestar 3..... I also have a Model Y order, real highway range 275 miles. Nov-Feb delivery window.
Yes, but 500 km at which speeds?
In Europe it probably should be 130 km/h which reduces the 70 mph highway range by about 20 %.
@@abraxastulammo9940 I would say 310 miles EPA (500 kms), which would be about 290 miles at 70 mph, of course less range at a speed of 130 kph in Europe, but you need less range in Europe than in the more spread out and less densely populated US.
200 highway miles is enough for me. After that, my body and bladder needs a 30 minute break.
Does the base Taycan still have the beast charging curve?
Yes, but just a bit lower in lockstep with the reduced battery capacity. You can opt for the big battery, though.
Quick answer is no.
Glad to see a base RWD test. Porsche definitely needs to work on efficiency and weight for their next gen EVs, and I am sure they will. Even though Kyle likes the standard battery version, I would still go for the big battery RWD model myself. That gives you extra power and longer battery life, as well as the extra range. It does weight a bit more, but the small battery car is still extremely heavy, so no big advantage in my eyes.
This was Porsche's first attempt at an EV, and was relatively good compared to everybody other than Tesla. I'm sure that the next attempt will be a whole lot better. But the current Taycan is a pretty poor choice compared to a Tesla 3.
The Kia EV6 is probably the best & most efficient EV on the market these days. @@dangrass
At first I was really confused about why you were so excited with 214 miles of range at 340 Wh/mile. Then I saw how fast that thing charges. Miles per minute of charging is probably the most important metric with these cars for long trips. What is the highest miles per minute charging of all of the EV cars? I assume the Long range Lucid Air would hold that crown?
still pretty rough though
Range bests charging speed if the chargers aren't right where you want them to be.
Fast Charging Kills Batteries
After a recent long drive, I thought about my minimum requirements for a no-compromise road trip EV. It needs ~250 miles of freeway speed range and the option to charge to 80% in about 15 minutes (I say option because I'd likely do at least one longer meal break where useful charging speeds could be as slow as 40 or 50 kW). We have a number of EVs that are very close to doing that now, but there's still the issue of price and ultimately being reliant on and tethered to DC charging infrastructure.
Tesla and Ioniq 5 are close to that. Ioniq 5 claims to get about 10-80% in 18 minutes. Real world conditions are probably slower, but they're getting there.
@@hermanwooster8944 The biggest issue is how far they fall short of 250 miles at freeway speeds. I'm reviewing a KIA EV6 soon, which should also come very close to that standard.
@@newscoulomb3705 The EV6 looks very nice as well - it's the sister car to the Ioniq 5. I prefer the interior of the EV6 though. :)
I have a 2019 Tesla 3 LRDM that I drive from the SF bay area out to Jackson, WY about 4 times a year. 900 miles. I typically charge 4 times en route, about 20 minutes per stop with ~200 mile legs. I have found that this trip takes no longer in the Tesla than in my former IC vehicles because the range and charging times are pretty much what my body and mind wants anyhow. As others have noted, the supercharger network is pretty much flawless. Basically, this car is every bit as real-world useful as any IC vehicle I've owned.
@@dangrass Definitely. The Tesla Model 3 would have been the car to replace my Chevy Volt if Tesla had adopted CCS and played nice with the public charging infrastructure. Because they didn't offer those options, I've been fine paying the 30 minute to 1 hour tax per every 500 miles I drive for now.
With the new EVs coming out, it looks like I have plenty of options to choose from that will meet or possibly exceed my standard. The KIA EV6 is sitting on my driveway right now, so I'll be able to put it through its paces this weekend.
We love the Taycan but they are spending more time in the shop than owners garages.
Nurse works a 12 hour overnight shift to come out and the Taycan won't "start". Has to deal with that, get sleep and report back to the hospital in 12 hours. Taycan going to be in the shop 2 weeks. Third incident.
$140K. Over priced, but a nice car when they work. No question, an amazing car.
I have the 4S with the larger battery. I can in warm months like now, get in the neighborhood of 300 miles of range on road trips. Depending on how i drive, i can get over or under that 300 mark.
1:53 Did you see the too fast fastcharging tortoise? 😇
Ben, did you end up painting the Wheels yourself? I found the forum post on the Taycan forum.
Charging not possible = Owning not possible
Noise level in the cabin seems very high. Wind? Tires?
Rim paintjob reminiscent of the famous classic Fuchs 🦊 rims. ;-)
Can you verify that the air suspension lowers the drag coefficient from 0.24 to 0.22?
It sounds reasonable
Lowering the ride height by about 1 inch can easily achieve that.
I have to ask what happens if you plug in to both of the charge ports at the same time? Somebody's going to do it I got to know!!!
I've actually tried this to see if I could, when one port opens the other flap locks closed.
Only one has DC, though.
Whats wrong with the color? The fender looks off.
Looks like a sheetz! Also just putting a comment to help your stuff
Are the front seats moved up to make room for the extra wheels or is there really that little legroom in the front?
Depending on your size, there is a lot more room in the back than it appears. If you're not super tall that is.
how big are these things? Saw a few in person in the UK and they seem really wide for our roads. How do they compare to something like a Cayman?
It's more similar to a panamera than the 2 door cayman which is smaller than a 911
i have a 22 taycan rwd, 79kwh battery on 20 inch wheels. i get 270 miles+ on a full charge
Cool, at a sustained 70 mph?
Seeing gas stations on the map is ok bc they usually have convenience stores and toilets.
Real world is where it's at. That's what I need for reference. Lab controlled testing isn't really relevant to me.
How much is the rim paint job, I quite like it! 👍
Ben actually did it himself.
Hi everyone,
I'm traveling to Europe within two months, I'm planning to rent an EV from Brussels mostly. I don't any idea about the charging cost or charging stations availability in Belgium specifically and in whole Europe generally. Is there any chance to charge for free in Europe?
I wouldn’t count on free charging in Europe and try to setup as many charging accounts prior.
Just did a budget config in Australia. $10k and $2k colour. AUD $190,000 drive away
Why is it so cheap in Canada?
@@abraxastulammo9940 we have a bunch of taxes which I'm sure other places do too
How much the difference it get if you're using same 205 width tire on all side?
I don't think 205 are allowed, front has 225.
Kyle do you have enough leg room? Your knees are close to the dash.
The green led’s on the charging stations are messing with my eyes. Like weird heat waves.
Bruh Kyle where can I get a Taycan at MSRP? I’m not paying 20k over for this car and I can’t find any dealer that will give a reasonable price. I’m in soCal
Don't worry Gary, if you can hang on a few months, Uncle Joe is arranging for a severe 4th quarter recession. You'll see factory rebates by late winter..
Call every dealer in the nation and ask from the PECLA delivery. Might find an allocation.
It is quite sad this car does not do much better (mi/kWh) on the highway than the far less aerodynamic Bolt(Cd of .22 vs Cd of .31).
right....this car has some serious design issues that result in way substandard efficiency.
Undoubtedly nice. I'm always doing a double take when I see a Taycan (not the front though, not a fan). Strange that a car with good aero, 2 speed transmission and not "that" much power (base model) is so inefficient though. I look forward to what they do with the electric cayman because it can't have a huge battery as it won't go over well being a porker.
I'd rather have a Model 3P, but it's interesting to see Porcshe try to keep up with the trend.
I just wished it had better looks and more top end
@@rudyyyxu the top end of both the newest Model 3 Performance and Model 3 LR with boost is actually decent. They both trap out above 117 mph in the 1/4 mile. That is plenty for normal roads. They definitely could make it pull harder up top but it isn’t as bad as everyone makes it sound.
@@LearningFast Yeah I agree but you can’t blame me for wanting more. A flat 500 hp power curve would be perfection
@@rudyyyxu the new Model S LR is the closest thing we will get to a Model 3 Plaid/Ludicrous I am afraid.
@@LearningFast yeah but without track mode it’s not as fun. I guess we can’t have everything. Also i think a 2018 model 3 p should have the same top end as the latest?
In some ways I'm impressed - 214 miles on electric range is a great job for batteries that have come a long way. In another way it's disappointing. I'd like to see similar ranges to gas cars, which is double. The Taycan looks great, as most EVs do. Just not ready for primetime.
I think it's the efficiency thats the problem. 340 Wh/mi is not great. But most people aren't buying this for the range or efficiency.
Quite strange. I have the same spec, but 20” Vossen wheels and I get way more than this. 240-250. When I drive hard, and charge it to 100% the PCM shows me 235, so if I was to drive it more smooth pretty sure I could get 15 more miles. Easy. I think the conditions totally affected you guys, wind played a very important role.
The wind definitely didn't help, gusts as high as 27mph that day. My driving the estimate is usually 227 but that is in a very hilly area that I live. I may conduct another 70mph test once the new tires are put on the 20" wheels I have to see what it can do in its usual form without crazy wind.
I finally got a look at an Icon-5…. What a stupid crease in the side…
So the range was a little more than EPA, you knew this before you started. Of more interest is the charge time and why it kept bricking, but just glossed over that!
I have a ‘20 model 3 performance with the 20” wheels. I drive 80% highway 20% city streets, which is pretty awful for range for an EV. It has the ~75kWh pack. With the many hills (start at 800ft above sea level, work is 1200ft above) and elevation change, I see about the same range. I can get 200-225mi per charge in the real world, with primarily 70-75mph freeway speeds. It’s more than enough, and I’ve never had range anxiety because superchargers are everywhere. I wish Tesla was more upfront/conservative about range ratings. It seems they’re the type to squeeze unrealistic numbers in their cars. I still am happy with my car, but I have NEVER gotten 310 EPA range that was on the sticker, or the 279mi “forum/realistic range” either…
That's exactly the sort of range I saw out of my model 3 performance! Everyone claimed I was making a huge mistake by getting the Porsche, but the range works out to be quite similar at the end.
Nice car, the Porsche 👍🏻 I have a Rivian on order, and all the reviews seem to point to actually having 300mi of real world range. Which will be a huge upgrade for me 😂
I got 300+ only by hyper miling at 50-60mp/h on 18’s with Michelin Cross Climate all weathers. 21 Performance.
I was thinking about trading my model 3 in for a ev6
I think the pre heat pump cars have a huge hit in range compared to the ones that came later. My LFP M3 can meet or exceed the EPA range if I try. If I don’t then it’s only 10 or 20 miles off
Would probably do better with air-suspension as that would lower the car when put into "range" mode.
I actually charge there on my way to the outer banks!
As usual Porsche over performing the numbers they gave us. Great car, fast charging and luxurious, but as a Porsche, is very expensive .
But cheaper than Panamera.
It’s the best EV sports car… you get what you pay for!
Damn. This makes a compelling argument for a 4S with the small battery for the "sportiest" experience short of GTS with insane markups
Don’t forget that the small battery has less power, limiting the dual motor power output in the 4S.
@@georgepelton5645 Correct! Good callout though, some folks might not realize that
Charging infrastructure faults and failures are NOT what a Porsche owner wants to deal with on a road trip 🙄
Base Taycan isn’t $79k anymore. Porsche raised it recently to $86k!
$99K here and not fully equipped.
After 7500 tax credit?
Hey Kyle, got a question: my dad is looking to get his first electric SUV, and he’s trying to decide between the Ford Mustang Mach-E and the Tesla Model Y. My dad says he wants the Mach-E, but I personally want him to get a Y (I wouldn’t mind the Mach-E, however).
What would you recommend if you had to pick between the two? Why/why not?
Keep up the great work Kyle. Stay safe with your family, best wishes from California 👍
Model Y. Tesla has years more experience with this tech.
@@scottbreseke716 Which translated into nothing as Teslas are getting demolished by first-generation cars from other carmakers, legacy and startup, while a decade later they are still trying to sort out how to make interior panels line up and how to completely paint the bumpers on $100,000 cars.
@@Ficon Must be the cars made in Fremont, definitely not the ones from Shanghai or Berlin. Those are sweet!
Charging still seems to be a problem for non-Tesla's. They really need to improve the charging experience when spending that kind of money.
How much have you traveled with a non-Tesla EV?
This is the high speed range test and the results is very similar to tesla model 3's range. Why are you guys disappointing ?
6:58 LOL! HA! A lot of good Magna did with building the I-PACE. It was the most unreliable car I've ever owned.
The body panel below the charge door looks like a flat color of the body paint. Not very photogenic. 🤷🏼♂️
Girls hate it we're told by sales folks.
27:00 Looks normal to me with gloss like the other body parts.
@@abraxastulammo9940 Gloss yes…. but like no flake in the silver.
I think probably thermal issues with the EA charger or cable. Or, too much P&C and the EA gods were getting their revenge on video...
Do they have a gas version?
Yes, the Panamera
The real answer....no
Too short range for my neck of the woods. The EQS chrges at almost the same rate but gives you 120 more miles plus it charges 80% in about the same time. You still have to prove how 800 is better than 400v. Still not proven..... with any vehicle. Fat and steady still better than fast and peaky.
Did you see the recent "charging cannonball" race on OOS? The Hyundai Ioniq 5 actually beat the Tesla Model 3 and X. I don't know if it's due to the 800v architecture or not, but it made me look at the Ioniq 5 in a new light.
@@hermanwooster8944 The ionic 5 has the best charging in the industry. The Mercedes EQS is second, despite the 400V architecture. Its not about max charging rate its about average kw. Though the EQS max rate is just around 200, its curve is flat at that level for a long time and has a gradual rather than abrupt downward curve after 50% SOC. Despite its very large battery it can charge 80% in 30 min. It also beats Tesla!
Unreliable charging is the problem of non Tesla, and cutting comfortably usable range.
If Musk opens up Tesla Superchargers it'll diminish that advantage some what.
@@Dive-Bar-Casanova But can this car charge 150 kW at SuC?
@@abraxastulammo9940 with the added option, it can charge at 150 kW at 440v stations.
This is the used car I would buy after owning my Tesla Model 3 which I love. Was hoping it would depreciate a lot and be the unpopular orphan due to it being a base model as is usually the case regarding base, poorly optioned Porsche cars but these things won't lose much value with the insane gas prices and shortage of EV's. Oh well, will happily drive my Tesla for another 3 yrs until that time comes.
79kWh and only 214 miles is not that efficient
By de-rating the epa range they've changed the story from, this EV has unacceptable range, to, this ev always beats its epa range. Disappointing so many people have fallen for it. You'd think such a all car with a big battery would do better, but as usual the taycon continues to underperform.
My previous 2020 model 3 Performance got a very similar real world range with a similar usable capacity. The only difference is people didn't comment online calling it disappointing. At least the method Porsche uses feels a bit more honest for the consumer.
Kraut EV MFGs are way underestimating true range. Still not that good, but often more than claimed. Especially the Audi.
All EVs have unacceptable range. Along with absolutely dreadful charging times.
When you buy a 400-mile Tesla, you get a 350-mile car. When you buy a 300-mile Tesla, you get a 250-mile car. For a consumer, that's much more deceptive than having a car that hits its advertised range or even outperforms it. When Car and Driver ran Taycan Turbo and MSP head to head, the highway range was nearly identical despite a 100-mile difference in advertised range. Porsche just cares about their reputation and the consumer experience -- if they say the car will hit an advertised performance number, it will do so ever under the worst possible conditions. Tesla doesn't care about anything that has to do with consumers.
One has seen 4.7 miles per kWh already (Wayne Gerdes).
so not a cannonball run this time?
Not impressive range at all. Anything less than 300 mile range is a city car, not something you can take on a road trip.
And Tesla's never have an issue on a SUPERCHARGER. Other chargers all suck it seems.
With Tesla another car comes to charge and then you receive only 75 kW 😏
(Saw it in a Bjørn Nyland livestream)
tl;dw 214 miles
this guy just goes on and on rabbit rabbit give a miss
Good luck finding the Porsche to buy…its hard enough waiting for Tesla to deliver a car
They're backing up on dealers lots out here. People order them, then when it arrives the blush has wore off, buyers remorse and it gets put into the showroom or the lot.
Nice car.
@@Dive-Bar-Casanova not a good time to sell technology stocks, those folks are putting off their order…not in my area though, all kinds of rich engineers
This is why Tesla wins. Tesla chargers work and the commercial ones are unpredictable. Hopefully they figure out why they brick and remedy this soon.
It’s range is a Bit better than a Datsun LEAF! I don’t need a POS that BRICKS! Porsche is 15 years behind a TESLA
214 mile range for a seriously overweight, slow, and inefficient $100k car with an 80kw battery? If this is good, I’d hate to see what bad looks like. Seriously, this thing is seriously lame when compared to A $60k Tesla. All it has going for it is the nameplate.
You obviously are not a Rolls Royce fan. 😁
Another great Tesla commercial 🤣
5:48 the most stupid charge port location on any EV. Porsche have some very clever engineers but they were clearly all drunk the day they located the charge port.
What is wrong with that position?
Taycan exceeds EPA because manufacturer declares their own data. They decided to play it safe. For the money, this small battery version won’t age well.
Beware of 50 kW chargers with 125 A limit...