Palladium & Silver recovery from MLCC's
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Monolithic Ceramic Capacitors (MLCC's) from older electronics contain up to 2% Palladium & 10% Silver by weight depending on processing methods and quality of mlcc.
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Whilst very current mlcc's may contain less Palladium then before, those high end electronics are just coming into play, most electronics a scrapper will find is 4 years old or more, meaning e-waste of today can still be loaded with high Pd content mlcc's.
MLCC's from factory supplies that are sold in 1kg bags online do not contain much Palladium or Silver, Only buy MLCC's from scrapped PC's which are higher grade then aftermarket copies.
we are all trying to learn so if you have more info to share about mlcc's and palladium recovery then tell us about it.
Palladium spot price is holding steady so well worth picking mlcc's.
+eWaste Ben As usual, Ben has produced yet another important and highly informative video for us ALL to learn a great deal of accurate info. As of yesterday, I have watch 95% of every video he has produced which has taken me many months but has been well worth my spare time. Ben is definitely a very good person with loads of wisdom he gladly shares.
Agreed Stormy. :P
Fanboy. Ben makes horrible videos WITH BS that is wrong. Gold yields he finds on the internet and thinks there accurate when they're WAY OFF. He makes click bait videis and diesnt tzlk about the most important thing with MLCCs, the old ones that are dipped or box type through hole. ALMOST ALL MLCCs that are surface mount contain only baae metals. You can easily look this up online for free but most people never do
@Stormtrooper1488 intelligent? About what? Giving horrible information and making people lose money? HE IS ONLY A SCRAPPER, Period. He knows absolutely nothing about yields or how to process anything thats why you never him do it even though he said he would YEARA AGO
@Stormtrooper1488 He knows barely anything about Hardware and treats it like shit even though he says I can resell this or that, not when it doesnt work. No one should trust anything this guy says unless your only looking to scrap and want to know what things are called on a board but anyone can know that if you do a google search BUT those people are better off leaving boards alone so a scrap yard or ewste buyer doesnt give you less money just because you wanted to be like ewaste ben and end up finding out most of this shit is impossible to sell unless you give it away for cheap or get extremely luck. Eamples, tantalum and Oscillators. Very few buyers and very low prices, even ebay these items barely sell
MLCC is almost exclusively owned by Japanese company murata.
The palladium used in MLCCs is currently being switched to nickel and began to switch around 2001.
When collecting palladium, it is recommended to collect MLCCs from equipment older than 2001.
George here from America again. Awesome video Ben. I'm watching it several times. Good to know how much I should sell my mlccs for. Will do that so that the refiner can make his/her money. I'm your student sucking up all the knowledge you have to offer. Thanks so very much. Keep on scrapping mate.
Best explanation I’ve found so far, thank you really appreciate the quality and clarity
Remove big capacitors, Warm the board to melt solder in a convection oven, pluck off bigger connectors, scrape with a paint scraper. Separate with a magnet. The resistors are ok to have mixed in because they have silver on the ends.
Firstly MLCCs means MUltilayer Ceramic Capacitors not Monolithic Ceramic Capacitors. Many videos claim they contain gold ,they do not.
Also it has been the avowed aim of every MLCC manufacturer to eliminate Palladium from being used as a constituent of the electrode alloy (used to be 70% silver 30% Palladium ) so many other metals have been used as substitutes eg, Lead, copper etc with some success, This is because the supplyof palladium is volatiles and expensive. The main metal recovered is Silver from the terminations (mixed with glass), If you want to make money it is no use relying on the sellers estimate of Palladium content you must obtain an assay before you buy, and believe me you will find very little Palladium in it in most cases.
former AVX Technical manager.
thanks.
what if we buy in india , where sellers know little about estimates
Cheers for info i did not know they were worth that much and you did not blag on the more you say the more we learn, we earn.
Take care folks with the MLCCs. I scraped almost half a kilo of them over the past 2 years, later I found out, that there are 2 types of MLCCs, BME and PME (base metal / precious metal). BME MLCCs contain no Pd, they contain Nickel instead and are magnetic... I tested my MLCCs with a harddrive magnet, more then 2/3 of them are magnetic... =(
+TAWNY BME's have only been in production for 5 years and not many things we scrap are new, they still make class 1 mlcc's.
you mostly have inductors that look like mlcc's, they have code "L" on the board and are easily confused with mlcc's because they look the same.
no, its like you said, you can only trust yourself with MLCCs and I am sure, I had just scraped capacitors, didnt touch any inductors. Well, it was alot of work to scarp and collect them, and I was really disapointed, when I found out about it and run a magnet on them... have you checked yours, how much of them are magnetic? Well, I would guess, really good non magnetic MLCCs can only be found in 1990s hardware. Anything later then 2000 only if its high-end hardware like servers...
+TAWNY i'm pretty sure even the ceramic has some magnetism to them, a hard drive magnet is very strong so would pick up most of them, maybe try a regular magnet and the ones that get picked up then you could throw out.
think the colored mobo's, red/blue etc might have the new style mlcc's, I just pick 'em all and hope for the best if I refine them.
@@eWasteBen hello, so I was wondering if you've ever scrapped a hospital laser? I got two rather large Exima 380 lasers and it looks like there is a lot of good stuff inside but i don't know if it is dangerous to be screwing around with lasers. Thanks for any advice you might have.
You can sell those old laser heads and power supplies they use to tinkerers like myself for more than what you would get for scrap. Do you still have any? I might buy or trade for one, as I could likely use the parts.
Thank you for this valuable information. It's good to know the prices of these precious metals & their retail value.
Good also to be informed as to the different elements on a circuit board..
Hi Ben, as far as backyard scrapping and recovery goes, I include MLCI with my MLCC during the silver recovery part. For me, why discard a source of silver in MLCI's? I can see that from your point of view of buying strickly MLCC's that MLCI's would be a problem.
Thank you for sharing. Very insightful. I don't sell or buy but I do refine this for myself.
+Geo Could you make a video of that the next time you do it? There aren't a lot of MLCC refining videos out there (if any) and for us visual learners it's a great way to gather knowledge!
+Rallerman Awesomezz yeah a lot of people want to see this, I too am a visual learner, I can read 10 pages on the subject and not get it, show me once and i'm a master :)
+Rallerman Awesomezz Sure thing. I have a one pound sample I've been meaning to process. Watch for it in the future on my channel.
+Geo Thanks Geo, that'd be awesome! Can't wait!
+Rallerman Awesomezz goldnscrap.com has alot of good info but its more broad then just standard knowledge and his youtube page is indeeditdoes and there slideshows
Ben, I'm sure this question is asked a lot but I haven't seen it. Lets say I gather a lot of scrap, perform the recovery and even the refining process myself. Where exactly does one unload two or three ounces of Palladium? Gold and silver are easy, every pawn shop in the country will buy your gold and silver (though at a much-reduced price). How does one go about moving large amounts of Palladium, tantalum, etc? Great video! One of the better ones out there on e-waste. Keep up the good work!
you wold sell precious metals to a bullion dealer, not a pawn shop, they would buy palladium no problem.
tantalum capacitors can just be sold to a buyer as it's not likely you will be able to process it, requires very high temp's to melt
Very interesting and helpful video. Thx for going into so much details explaining it Ben.
You can get a multi purpose tool and get a blade that's small and thin just like your screwdriver maybe a little bit bigger you turn that thing on and when you see The row you want you to go across from not touching anything else and you won't have all that holding it down with your hand sticking yourself with a screwdriver just a suggestion sir Give it a shot
5 years old and still valid, except palladium has doubled in price now
can we do palladium recovery with new type mlcc capacitors?
thank you very much for these rich description.
I like this video real lessons learned. Stay up Ben.
Monolithic capacitors have mostly palladium. To remove them from computer scrap there is an extra step and that is to get the lead and silver out first I have a video on my page of this process only talking about it though.
+broch clinton I'm interested your method ........What do I have to do
im very new to this but have got into it through you're and other people's videos on the subject, and much like you just feel sick with the amount of needless material being through into landfill site's, like I say im very new to this but have learnt from you to be selective on what to de pop from a board, I get you're point its so easy to look at a board and assume mlci's an mlcc's are identical but followed your advice on the c - code, also I've noticed the colour is different mlcc's being a beigey brown mlci's being mainly black could be wrong on that though, thanks for the inspiration
Ive yet to see a electronics recovery video. I know how to scrape them off the board. ???
Thank you very much Sir, I learnt a lot . and even i would be much pleased if released a video about refining mlccs. Thank you again..!
How? How do you recover those metal from those components? You only show us how to gather components. Buckets and buckets of components. But, when and how do you recover those metals?
can we use any kind of mlcc capacitor?
I come across a lot of boards where they are not labeled. Frustrating. Any suggestions?
Fantastic video! Very educational. Thank you!
It's insane. that paladium price was so low.
When you de-populate a board via an air hammer... how do you separate MLCCs from MCLIs and MLCRs (resistors) since off the board there are no codes to read and they all look a like? Or in that case you just process them all together? Thanks!
+Scappin' Cricket yeah not much you can do there aside when you get them refined you will just have less palladium/silver ratio, I do try and remove bigger mlcc's first by hand, the small ones and crumbles will just go in another tub and processed after the hand picked one's are.
But if you want to be picky then do them by hand first, that way you will have a nice clean batch.
+eWaste Ben Thank you for replying back and being helpfully honest :)
Man that is such an awesome motherboard.....
Thank you so much, the information was very good.
Is actually muti layered ceramic capacitors but no worries 👍
If your processing the mlcc's yourself is it as critical to make sure they arent inductors?
William Ela Probably not but you still want clean product with as little contaminants as possible when processing mlcc's.
Resistors can be processed for other metals like ruthenium.
I saw that comment and you stated that you didnt know if the ruthenium could be processed. Did you find out somethin else in that time?
William Ela They're getting it at the highest level of refining, like Umicor.
I'm still looking into it but there's no reason Ruthenium can't be extracted from the thick film resistors.
The one's with a black top and numbers on it like 135, 325 etc.
eWaste Ben Thanks! ive been scrapping for a while and have started geetting into depopolationg mother boards! MY personal favorite areMLCC's
You are a cool dude.
Thanks for sharing mate.
Thank you Ben.
I come by some grayish ones that start with CP. Do they also contain palladium?
Proximately how many regular motherboards are necessary for 1kg MLCC ?
Gotta be in the hundreds, if not 1000s.
Tremendous HELP! thank you
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What are the ones that are labeled with f or fb???
Since I've watched this the 1st time 11 months ago today. I started to get the boards and pick the mlcc, keep in mind I only do this 1 to 3 days a week and I've already got more than a 2lbs or a kilo! Probably getting close to 3lbs.
GREAT VIDEO!!!
Great video. Learned a lot 👍🏾
hey thanks for such great information . i have learned a lot watching this .
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Is the yellow shiny spots on the motherboard are gold? i am just curious to know
why don't you put mlcc into a smelter and let silver melt first. The remaining solid should be palladium
Gday, how do they do it on industrial scale? Do they just throw everything into a furnace to melt everything and separate metals by melting points?
the main problem would be plastic fumes.
+GEZZA1 Not melted, they grind the boards down to a fine powder and use eddy currents to seperate the metals, plastic etc. it's a very clean process.
How about the extraction of the elements?
Use a magnet to pick em up lol works a treat ; )
eWaste Ben, Thank you for "signifying" which is which!!!!
You got to the point just fine , good to know how many it takes to make it worth it.
Another quick question Ben.. I have a laptop board with what i think are some nice mlcc's. there the brown ones but they say PC instead of just C. I believed they were because some of the non black ones are labeled PL instead of just L. I just want to be sure..
yeah sounds ok, the L are inductors so makes sense if the mlcc's are PC
Yeah that's what I thought.. Cool, thanks again!!
Hi Ben, do you have a way I could send a picture for your opinion/clarification of mlcc's and what I question to be mlcc?
do these run on the board at the bottom of any digital screenon laptop tv or any other flatscreen
Please note, that not all MLCCs contain palladium. Some just use Nickel. And there is no easy way telling which one has Pd in them and which one doesn´t. You can use a magnet to sort out nickel carrying MLCCs (nickel is magnetic) but even those nickel based MLCCs may contain Pd. So there really is no easy way to find out before recovering the PMs. From my practical experience 2% Pd and 10% Ag is a maximum, yet possible. Recovery is a pain in the a.. but that is another story. Not suitable for beginners.
Yeah I explain NME & BME MLCC's in the mlcc melt video which should be finished in a week or so.
The nickel based mlcc's or BME's don't contain any PM's but the NME's contain nickel which is why they are both magnetic to a degree
Hi Ben, great informative video. A question : no gold in MLCC ? I saw a vid on 41kg refining of MLCC, and the guys extract some gold of it. Any guess ?
can't see where the gold would be but who know's, there may be some mlcc's where they used gold instead of palladium but i've never seen anything written about it
Some mlcc’s might have gold braze in the solder.
thanks for this!
just another quick question have u made any gold or silver bars yet? i wish i could get as many computers as u have.its so hard here in the us as i try to make some post on craigslist and people just flag it all the time so my only luck is to fin d looking in neighborhoods in garbage
+Nate Chaps no i haven't refined anything, just building it up to do when i cant pick stuff up anymore.
they seem to be magnetic to a neodymium, are the magnetic ones not silver and palladium?
Some magnetic ones are as palladium mlcc's can also have a little nickel, usually the ones that only barely stick to a magnet.
Ok here is a question...among the little brown MLCC's I see a few larger yellow squares.. are those MLCC's? because they are labeled with a C. I have about 2 pounds of them.
bantalee2002 They are Tantalum capacitors the yellow ones.
Ty.
Hi. Why do you even bother on getting them off of the boards since there is almost none palladium in modern MLCCs?
depends what yur taking them off from, not all board manufacturers use low grade MLCC's. don't believe one or two articles on the web.
are they still good to keep if u break them im having a very hard time getting them off without breaking them,as i watch u just use a screw driver ,u make it look easy but not for me so far!any suggestions?
+Nate Chaps many mlcc's do break, it's ok, keep the dust too, palladium dust is good, if you sell them most know they have a portion of crumbled ones
I tried quickly to write in the forum but couldn't figure it out quickly enough , so I was wondering if u could answer one more question. what is the silver stuff on the end of these Flat connection wires/paper? ribbon like, I see on many it is good but im coming across silver ones. are these precious metals?
+Raymond Reyes Tin
+eWaste Ben it's TIN?
yep Tin, rarely silver, when it is silver it's not shiny it's a flat grey
what is the total weight of MLCC'S present in one PC?
Very little, those are surface mount components , so theyvare very little
Hello, I have a question, or MLCC on the motherboard of laptops which are marked as "PC 203, 103 , ..." and have the same color as capacitors C also may palladium and silver? I might add that there are a lot on the motherboard and I wonder if they Scraping
+Paweł Hi, yes, PC are mlcc's, sometimes MC also.
Thank you very much for your reply and all videos. Scraping Time
Very informative thank you 🙏
They all have silver and its no waste .
Where do u take these mlcc's to make money?
Where do you sell your metals too do you know of any good refinering companies that
Buy boards?
thank you
Thank you very informative
hey you stated that these are marked with a "C" or a "D" however on some sound cards
there marked with a "R" , what is the deal with the "R" ones ?
R is a Resistor, D is a Diode, only C is for capacitor but still needs to look like an mlcc to be one, so no C no mlcc
ok so what does a resistor have as far as pm's go ?
Not much, thick film resistors, the ones with numbers on the top of them usually have ruthenium but very hard to get it and very small amount, no, resistors are not something we really go for, it's just not something an average refiner would bother with
ok thanks for all that information . keep up the great work my friend .
What would happen if mix the mlcc and mlci together? Will we still get pure silver over it? Cause its pretty hard to tell which is which. And most of the circuit board not state it.
silver, yes. but no palladium in mlci. inductor code on board is "L"
Any idea how much silver in the inductors?
C1190 etc = Cxxxx = silver [C only]
R3485 etc = Lxxxx, Rxxxx etc = palladium
correct me if I'm wrong
C stands for Capacitor, could be any type of capacitor, only MLCC's have the silver/palladium.
R is a Resistor
L is an Inductor
Thanks for knowledge.
hi mate i was wondering if u can make a refining video of silver oxide batteries
+Mr. Webmasterc I don't get many silver oxide batteries, they don't really come in regular e-waste, mostly watches and stuff
Have you ever sold them? I can buy them new for pennies. I doubt its worth the time to harvest them.
no I will be refining them
we love watching you. Thanks for the good info. stay safe
How do you take an MLCC off of a board without it breaking and crumbling?
themedres s I use thin pliers for the bigger ones. Small ones sharp chisel (carefully adding pressure and moving chisel side to side.)then pour into a jar.
wouldnt it be easier to use a heat gun instead of using a screw driver to remove these?
no that would just make a hot mess, these pop off super easy which is why people take the time to collect them
1st I seen of this.. liked and subbed
Hi friend ewaste, i AM subscribe to you channel and would very much like you to ask me a question,what reagents and precipitant do you use to extract 2% Palladium?
I was reading somewhere that the black mlccs have rhodium in them, is that true?
stanky budz I haven't heard of mlcc's having rhodium.
stanky budz oh sorry I was just thinking mlcc's which are capacitors, you mean Resistors, yep, the black resistors do have oxides of ruthenium or iridium and rhenium, just not sure if it's possible to extract the stuff.
But one computer all up can have up to 1000 thick film resistors so it's worth finding out for sure, thanks.
eWaste Ben
you would extract the rhodium and iridium the same way you would platinum and palladium its just hard to separate platinum group metals
Holy... Bucket... Of... MLCC's...
Glad I came across your vids, Ben! Very good info. On this one in particular....I depopulate all my boards with a sandbath so my monolithics are mixed.....I proceed too many to hand scrape.... But I am only accumulating them at this point and refining or selling... Any suggestions? Or will it all come out in the mix when I do decide to test run a refining process? Cheers!
+pacoblancosmith Yes I think you'll be ok with a mix of mlcc's, resistors ect as you'll be extracting one metal at a time, so if your going for Palladium first then what's left will contain silver and other metals, next you might extract the silver, by then you might be happy with what you have at that stage. I have a new method of depopulating boards, simply using an air hammer, my latest video shows the process, in the end I have the same as you have after a sand bath.
very informative. thx
How would I refine the mlccs I have a few saved up and I can't find any vids on it. It would be cool if you could start making vids on how to refine the stuff you pick off boards! It would be amazing if you did vids on that.
Michael Langell That's going to take some time, I haven't set-up refining yet because i'm still accumulating product.
Refining is not something you want to jump into, a simple demonstration wouldn't be helpful at all. a little knowledge is a dangerous thing so when i'm ready to do video's on refining I want to be sure I live to enjoy it and that my info is safe.
+eWaste Ben cool
+Michael Langell go to indeeditdoes page he has a video on silver mylar refining on the gold refining process and the palidium ^^^^^ process and lots of others
thx
Yeah that's ... Really true playing with chemicals is not a good idea BT i am waiting to learn some quality refining method from u ..
Will the mlci's mess up the refining process or just the ratio?
Michael Langell Mostly the ratio but if your refining yourself it shouldn't, except it might complicate the process more then if it was just straight mlcc's.
+eWaste Ben thx man
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eWaste Ben do Inductors contain silver?
+Mark Hickman yes many chip inductors do have silver, less than 0.005 grams :) so it would take a lot of 'em to get 1 gram, but if they were mixed up with mlcc's then I guess after the palladium extraction from mlcc's, you could then get to the silver from the solution of both capacitors & inductors.
+eWaste Ben e said that they do a little
I recently started scrapping circuitboards and i noticed that there were things that looked like MLCCs but they were labeled "BC(number)" on the circuitboard. Anybody know what this means?
"BC" stands for bypass capacitor, it's still an mlcc if it looks like one, a BC can also be a tantalum capacitor.
+eWaste Ben ok thank you!
Bro how tu recover palladium from mlccs
You can tell the difference of MLCI and MLCC by color. MLCC have a yellow/brownish color and MLCI are black or grey-black.
no not the case, it's the coding on the board, L for inductor, C for capacitor, mlcc's come in lots of shades
and different grades, grade 1 - grade 2, grade 1 are high grade and mostly on telecom, sserver and H/D boards
its my experience, i measure them with a multimeter so i can be 100% sure thats a cap or an inductor. For my batch the color scheme is always the same. The inductors where always black or grey, and the caps yellowish cream like. I measures hundrets of them, i never found a yellow inductor.
eWaste Ben
do you know if the silver plates inside of pc hard drives are silver plated? do they have any value?
usually it's platinum but you need thousands to get 1 gram
brown vs grey is how i see it lol
That is the case mostly but they do make grey MLCC's
@@industrialadhesive6357 also white
do you melt them, or put acid on them? how do recover the metals?
+Sooner Science Nerd it's a four stage process, quite complicated, scrapforum.com.au/forum/main-category/identifying-boards-components/8200-refining-precious-metals/page4
thanks.
ill just keep the copper,aluminum, gold pins,fingers, and wire.
+eWaste Ben the link you sent doesn't work at the moment. can you let me know his question as well ? melting them or with acid? thanks.
you would use acids, look up refining mlcc's and something will come up in your search that shows the steps
o.k. ill check that out!
You every thought about processing your own precious metals yourself using nitric acid , hydrochloric acid ect , as I process my own silver using nitric acid using scrap jewelry, pc parts, old sterling cutlery ,ornaments ects , all u need is scrap ,nitric acid, distilled water ,copper to process out silver and protective gear.
2% by volume or mass?
+Emile Daenen why so angry
first last I'm not an expert but I believe it's mass. 100lbs will give you roughly 2lbs
very usefull video dude
Dose the L, C and I all contain silver ? I'm only going for the silver
some can have a little but not much to be worth silver recovery
ok, thanks for getting back too me, love you vids bud
Black resistors (R) may contain precious metals?..
yeah maybe a little silver or ruthenium but difficult to recover
Thank you...
Hey ben, how do you remove the MLCC without removing the MLCI? One per one? how? With a tool like that? Air tool?
isn't ruthenium more acid resistant?
What about pc and bc
Ok i have mlcc’s do u want to buy?