CFMoto 700CLX SPORT UK Review

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  • Опубліковано 28 кві 2022
  • In this episode I put the 2022 Sport version of the 700CLX through its paces. Is it any good? Let us know your thoughts.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 138

  • @HolmsOnBikes
    @HolmsOnBikes Рік тому +15

    I'm a new rider, been riding my 2022 Duke 390 for a few months now. I was torn between a few different "midweight nakeds" but I honestly think I'm almost 100% going with the CLX700 SPORT. I love the styling, and the pricepoint is hard to look past. Comparing it to the $10,000+ Honda CB650R, the Yamaha MT-07, Triumph Trident 660....they are all just so much more money...and I don't think the price difference is worth it.

    • @langhamp8912
      @langhamp8912 10 місяців тому

      The CB and the Trident might be worth it as they both have primitive traction control systems. I would say, after owning a bike with TC, that TC is an incredible safety device. Unless I were to buy the 700 sport as a pure commuter bike, I'd probably consider other, perhaps used, bikes.

  • @derekdunlop8747
    @derekdunlop8747 2 роки тому +12

    I just collected mine today and all i can say is what a fantastic handling bike. I made my decision partly due to your terrific review and that of The Lofty Biker who also gave it a great review. Many thanks to you both!!

    • @EdwardVelez
      @EdwardVelez Рік тому +1

      How are you finding the reliability? That's my main concern

  • @cristianmatei7626
    @cristianmatei7626 4 місяці тому +2

    Watched a lot of reviews about this bike, and to be honest yours was the most specific down to earth and explanatory! I'm definitely gonna test drive one now and maybe get one next year

  • @paulcooper5610
    @paulcooper5610 7 місяців тому +1

    Fantastic looking bike and I think they are cheaper now £6300. It was my favourite bike at motorcyclelive this year 2023.
    As you said for a cafe style bike it seems very comfortable to sit on. The riding position seems perfect even if you are slightly perched forward.

  • @shaunrussell2524
    @shaunrussell2524 2 роки тому +14

    Great review, I own a 700 CLX Sport & MT650, I live in europe where we get a 5 year warranty on all CF Moto machines, the 700 Sport is such a great bike to have fun with, the handling is just perfect, the looks are just perfect, everywhere I go people stop and want to know everything about the bike, for me the rear shock needs adjusting especially if you hit a slight dip in the road,it feels like your sitting on a pile of bricks lol, I just love it, I can ride for hours on the 700 Sport.

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  2 роки тому

      Great feedback, thank you

    • @SigmaJAD
      @SigmaJAD 2 роки тому +1

      Hi, literally bought one at 5 PM today. Test road it 3 times on Monday. Came home. Researched the bike and brand to death. This review - pretty typical across media platforms. I think this bike manufacturer is going to frighten a few others. Quality of bike is insane for price. Bags of character if not power. Character makes up for it. Hope I enjoy. Have a Street Triple RS. Competent but boring. Not sure why. That might be going!

    • @ravenmoto5948
      @ravenmoto5948 Рік тому

      USA is only 2 year warranty. WtF

    • @shaunrussell2524
      @shaunrussell2524 Рік тому

      @@SigmaJAD just watch the fuel gauge,it is somewhat erratic for about a dozen tank refills, I don't knew why but it's happened on all my cf motorbike. It corrects itself,weird but true, you just can't buy a motorbike that gives you the fun factor for the money you pay, enjoy what I can only describe as a great bike to have.

    • @shaunrussell2524
      @shaunrussell2524 Рік тому

      @@ravenmoto5948 there's something wrong with the marketing of cf motorbikes in the US, I don't know if it's to do with a cautious approach from cf Moto, because they are interduceing a motorbike range rather than the quads atv's that have been very successful in the US

  • @Chuckles1981
    @Chuckles1981 2 роки тому

    Great Review, just bought one myself, keep up the great work!

  • @cjbaptiste8808
    @cjbaptiste8808 Рік тому

    Thank you for this wonderfully made video. I will be getting this bike once I go to the UK. More power!

  • @zacharyanderson1459
    @zacharyanderson1459 2 роки тому

    Thank you!! Buying one next week. Best review on UA-cam by far.

  • @mojomoto259
    @mojomoto259 2 роки тому +1

    good review.
    this might be my next bike
    love the 360 cam footage

  • @nielsalute9069
    @nielsalute9069 2 роки тому

    Thank you for the thorough review of this bike. I’m eyeing to get one and your review made my decision firm.. Hopefully, I can get one soon.

  • @SigmaJAD
    @SigmaJAD 2 роки тому

    Brilliant, detailed & entertaining review.

  • @andreacarolinarodriguez7906
    @andreacarolinarodriguez7906 Рік тому +2

    This is one of the best review videos on UA-cam. All the information and opinions you gave were super useful and you were honest. I’m in the market for this bike as my first bike since the Honda CB650R is so hard to find right now. Great video, thank you!!

  • @dukie1616
    @dukie1616 2 роки тому +1

    Good review👍 I like the looks of this bike and those brakes are top shelf!

  • @philpeacock7803
    @philpeacock7803 Рік тому

    Great review, was looking at the heritage but edging more to sport now after that review.

  • @williamfitzpatrick7248
    @williamfitzpatrick7248 2 роки тому

    Lovely looking bike ,cfmoto make some great bikes,I really love this ,and a great review as always,I must come down and have a look around the shop 👍

  • @mattus1gig
    @mattus1gig Рік тому +1

    Exactly what a review should be like 👍

  • @charlesaldean6773
    @charlesaldean6773 10 місяців тому

    Fantastic review!!

  • @michaelwatts224
    @michaelwatts224 2 роки тому

    Great review, very tempted 😀

  • @KRAM-zb2vc
    @KRAM-zb2vc 2 роки тому +1

    Really looking forward to the adventure version 😃👍🏻

  • @vindioshabel1729
    @vindioshabel1729 Рік тому

    Awesome review!

  • @keesvrijhof9518
    @keesvrijhof9518 Рік тому

    Hello , i have seen your review multiple times and made 2 testrides and have bought mine 30 march this year....
    my previous bike was a cb600f 2004 modified and i had it for 8 years , but it was time for something new
    i am an older biker and really i love to ride my new CLX700 sport .
    it is FUN FUN FUN !!
    GREETS FROM ROTTERDAM THANKS MATE !

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  Рік тому

      Awesome! Congrats on your new ride and glad to help. People need to ride these to know just how good they are.

  • @ScottishAircraftLover
    @ScottishAircraftLover Рік тому

    My Harley Sportster S has self cancelling indicators and they are the same. They cut off when i don't want them to. Don't know if there's some way to map it out or not. Great review BTW. Cracking bike, looks amazing and definitely on my list of considerations in the new year.

  • @shedexile
    @shedexile 2 роки тому +6

    A great review, and I can only echo your comments as a recent owner of a CL-X Sport. After a decade of riding superbikes, advancing years made me accept the need for something less extreme, so calling in at the local dealer, I clapped eyes onto the CF Moto. At first I thought it was a one-off custom, what with those sexy Brembos, so was gobsmacked to learn that not only was it made in China, but the price was the same as a budget Japanese middleweight. One test ride later, the deal was done.
    The bike is a hoot to ride as it feels like an overpowered 250, and if it really does weigh 200kg I don’t know how they hide it, as it feels light even wheeling in and out of the garage. Power in sport mode is more than adequate for UK roads. Brakes are awesome, and the ride and handling are fine, apart from the excessive dive under hard braking, but as I’ve not tried adjusting the compression damping yet, this could be improved.
    If you are in the market for a cool retro styled middleweight, give the CL-X Sport a test ride. It looks cool, is great fun to ride, and TBH is something of a bargain...

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  2 роки тому

      Great to hear you agree, and liked it enough to own. Thank you for the feedback.

    • @SigmaJAD
      @SigmaJAD 2 роки тому +1

      Hi. Your comments mirrored my impression. Test ride blew me away. Got back on my other bike (bought a CF today after mucho research) & despite much more power, the CF convinced me my current bike lacked any character. Power isn't everything. The quality and fittings are incredible for price. Checked out long term owners too, couldn't find any massive long ownership problems. All in all, bargains that might not stay bargains in the not too distant future.

    • @ravenmoto5948
      @ravenmoto5948 Рік тому +1

      If it dives, you need more preload!

    • @SigmaJAD
      @SigmaJAD Рік тому +1

      @@ravenmoto5948 yep suspension adjusted and ......... Perfecto

    • @EdwardVelez
      @EdwardVelez Рік тому

      I'm worried about the reliability of the bike and how it's going to hold out. I'd like it to make it to 100k miles but I doubt it.

  • @aaron5303
    @aaron5303 2 роки тому

    Great video, you did awesome job just giving it like most everyday riders would. I have been looking at one of these and debating getting it. Your video I think just sealed me getting it. One thing, where you at in the UK? I want to come across the pond and ride there, looks like a blast!!

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  2 роки тому

      East Anglia. Great bends. If you are coming from the USA, ride the NC500 in Scotland! Then the Yorkshire hills.

  • @geoffbroderick403
    @geoffbroderick403 2 роки тому

    have a heritage after testing ducati 800 fantastic machine the headlight surround not only for looks designed for defecting air off rider .slight mapping throotle goes away after first service .similar to truimph trident but nicer note of a twin better

  • @stevendavies8496
    @stevendavies8496 2 роки тому

    Great review as always,,,,dose this mean you will find room for one in your collection,,,,,,,,,just tell the wife it's a long term review ,,,,lol,

  • @stavencapp
    @stavencapp Рік тому +2

    Im in australia, and even with our tiny motorcycle plates it would not fit under the fender without being bent waaay up. im actually a fan of the from the swing arm plate mount.

  • @PATTYCAKES19
    @PATTYCAKES19 2 місяці тому

    I own a 2022 model of this exact bike only had it for about a year im from the US and i love it nice bike at a practical price point they are only like $6,700 and they do rip pretty good the engine is designed by KTM

  • @MrByronb22
    @MrByronb22 6 місяців тому

    Just bought mine brand new for £5899 otr! Couldn't pass up on tht price. Looking forward to getting out on the road 🏍 💨

  • @wolfburgman
    @wolfburgman 2 роки тому +1

    I wonder if it would be possible to attach a bracket behind the seat to incorporate the reg plate, indicators

  • @TheAgalmic
    @TheAgalmic Рік тому

    I like the rear numberplate position.

  • @kajnatok
    @kajnatok 2 роки тому +1

    Great review as always ! When it will arrive in Romania I will sure check it out...which one do you think is the best, the SV650X or this one ? Keep up the good job !

    • @stubbingtonmarigold3032
      @stubbingtonmarigold3032 2 роки тому +1

      Sv650 all the way - that bike has been sorted and the aftermarket support is there. This is still a toy - maybe it’s reliable, maybe not doesn’t matter if it’s a toy.

  • @robedmunds7163
    @robedmunds7163 2 роки тому +1

    Nice, like a budget CCM. Eco mode would be good for wet weather yes.

    • @John_Ridley
      @John_Ridley Рік тому

      I think I'd be in eco mode most of the time. I am usually not really interested in going fast. for commuting or just running around town I'm more interested in MPG. On the weekends I might switch to sport.

  • @grahamebradford1028
    @grahamebradford1028 2 роки тому

    Like that one........very much. Thanks.

  • @javieralvarez6579
    @javieralvarez6579 2 роки тому

    110% agree I hate the plate placement. Luckily I am here in the US so I can move that to either side.

  • @johnpflug1567
    @johnpflug1567 Рік тому

    Best UA-cam review of this bike ever! Bravo!
    On the first start up, was that smoke or water moisture coming from the pipe? Thanks!

  • @cedrickroberson1017
    @cedrickroberson1017 Рік тому

    I rode this bike. It was kinda fun

  • @panik4920
    @panik4920 Рік тому

    Very good job... And of course a lovable bike. I don't know if you can compare with Yamaha mt 07....what is your opinion? Thanks a lot

  • @aladinfox4098
    @aladinfox4098 2 роки тому

    I'd always worry that the number plate would catch on the tyre😖, but never heard of it happening. Looks great though besides that.A small headlight fairing would set it off nicely and needs hugger for rear tyre.

    • @Trevorian9T
      @Trevorian9T 2 роки тому

      I own a cfmoto clx sport, and I have the headlight guard for the bike, your dealer should be able to order you one, along with the pilion seat and rider comfort seat which I ordered.

  • @yasseralsaidi1168
    @yasseralsaidi1168 Рік тому

    Well done

  • @stevesanelli90
    @stevesanelli90 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent review Mark. Glad you had fun👌 it’s a great looking bike but I prefer the blue colourways. Would you get this over your Brutale RR?🤔

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  2 роки тому +6

      no way MV is something special

    • @jimmiej3924
      @jimmiej3924 2 роки тому +1

      Came here for a CLX Sport review. Leaving here with dreams of a Brutalé. 🤪

  • @bentchristiansen2533
    @bentchristiansen2533 Рік тому

    Self cancelling turn signals was even on the V-max 1200

  • @robertjackson5836
    @robertjackson5836 2 роки тому +4

    Love it. Lovely little bike with a real unique look. I think the only thing I'd ask them to do is make the rear seat unit be able to be taken off and a proper seat pad clipped on for a pillion. Just so you have that option. Easier to justify when your partner claps eyes on your new purchase. 😉

    • @kajnatok
      @kajnatok 2 роки тому +1

      I've watched a yt video recently with a guy in South America that bought an original CFMoto seat pad original accessory for the pillion. So they thought about it

    • @Trevorian9T
      @Trevorian9T 2 роки тому +1

      I own a cfmoto clx sport, my dealer ordered me a pillion seat that replaces the plastic cover, I also had the comfort seat for myself which is slightly higher and very comfortable and it has a diamond stitch finish.

    • @spectreofwar9850
      @spectreofwar9850 2 роки тому +1

      Here in Australia we can buy a pillion seat to replace the cowl

    • @Trevorian9T
      @Trevorian9T 2 роки тому +1

      @@spectreofwar9850 it's available here in the UK, its in the manufacturer accessories brochure, along with performance rear sets, comfort seat, radiator guard, oil plugs etc... but your accessories seem extremely expensive compared to the prices in the UK, I brought a pillion seat from my dealer who ordered in from cfmoto uk, it cost me £30, in your dollars its $100. Your country is way to overpriced for items in Europe we pay next to nothing for which are exactly the same.

  • @neiltanner8473
    @neiltanner8473 Рік тому

    Does it come with top box and panniers or do I have to buy them as aftermarket products ?

  • @wolfburgman
    @wolfburgman 2 роки тому

    Must admit it sounds good, looks the part too

  • @stubbingtonmarigold3032
    @stubbingtonmarigold3032 2 роки тому

    Cfmoto is getting better with each update/model, but they apparently have major wear issues. I’m curious if it will be reliable for more than 2 years. The bike I sat on in Texas seemed well built except for the switches looked very cheap - they felt eh, okay - looked like they had been in the sun for decades. In the USA insurance doesn’t recognize their vin so people can get insurance and registration yet - they are barely showing up at dealers here.

    • @John_Ridley
      @John_Ridley Рік тому

      Maybe it's changed in 4 months but there are 3 dealers within 100 miles of me and all have all models in stock. I'm in Michigan.

  • @y2002tii
    @y2002tii 11 місяців тому

    Hello there great review as always,i want to buy this bike and i am thinking how to remove the plate from the fender and to install a tail tidy but i find only for heritage that has different tail than sport if anyone has any solution can please link?

  • @wazreba5859
    @wazreba5859 2 роки тому

    3 is backlight probably. Once you there, push ADJ, it should run from 1 to 7 and again, like on old 650 MT.

  • @garyk8285
    @garyk8285 Рік тому

    How many hours could you ride on it without hurting your wrists/hands with that handlebar setup? is it an all day ride, couple hours, one hour? Assuming you have no issues with nakeds and wind.

  • @NWTMasterWolf
    @NWTMasterWolf Рік тому

    My only issue is that my wife likes to go with me and this does not have a passenger seat. The only reason I went for the Heritage (which I pick up today :D ) Wondering if I could put those bars on the Heritage. Hmmmmm? may have to talk to my dealer :D . I know that won't make it a "sport" but it would change some of the handling and look.

  • @druscanam
    @druscanam Рік тому

    Doesn't the Heritage model have eco and sport mode too?

  • @MikeGreen-pv6ti
    @MikeGreen-pv6ti Рік тому

    how do think it may compare to the RE continental ?

  • @user-sw2lv3zp6o
    @user-sw2lv3zp6o 2 роки тому +1

    Good bike, but I prefer the Heritage.

  • @MattHelps
    @MattHelps Рік тому

    looks legit.

  • @pervyswagg6073
    @pervyswagg6073 2 роки тому

    this one just arrived in US will take a look n might surprise the wife lol

  • @carlosvejar3938
    @carlosvejar3938 2 роки тому

    Not to be a nutter here but I have to say this bike comes complete, in my opinion. It's quite a good bike I have pretty much made up my mind

  • @ravenmoto5948
    @ravenmoto5948 Рік тому

    You forgot to mention brembo master Cylinder and steel braided lines. Also who needs, wants eco mode on a 74hp bike

  • @haohuynh4405
    @haohuynh4405 2 роки тому

    Which to choose? This 700clx or RE650? As your review on the RE650 the bike was good also.

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  2 роки тому

      Depends what you want from a bike and your riding style. The CF Moto rides much sharper and quicker for sure.

  • @thereefster
    @thereefster Рік тому

    Any aftermarket exhaust for this model available yet?

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  Рік тому

      Hi, Not officially although a simple change to do with any exhaust really.

  • @SigmaJAD
    @SigmaJAD Рік тому

    I think H is for hours of use. P will show up errors. Pretty superfluous for the rider but ....... Could a done with time and eng temp permanently on screen.

  • @user-tv4oz6kf7h
    @user-tv4oz6kf7h 2 роки тому

    nice to see a Chinese motor sales in UK

  • @curlytheunacceptable.4298
    @curlytheunacceptable.4298 2 роки тому +1

    I like it, Suzuki SV 650 alternative maybe?

    • @kajnatok
      @kajnatok 2 роки тому

      My dilema exactly :P

    • @robertjackson5836
      @robertjackson5836 2 роки тому

      Having owned the sv, I'd go with that, cracking bikes. But i love the look of this cf and with a few tweeks would be ideal 😊

  • @John_Ridley
    @John_Ridley Рік тому

    Surely if you're on a roundabout, you're only meant to indicate after you go past the exit just before the one you will take? Indicating all the way around a roundabout seems entirely pointless, what does it mean? I'm in the roundabout and I'll exit somewhere but you get to guess where?
    I'm in the US perhaps roundabout signalling is different in the UK.

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  Рік тому +1

      In the UK, if your exit is past 12 'o clock from where you start, you indicate right, then left just before your exit.

  • @yasseralsaidi1168
    @yasseralsaidi1168 Рік тому

    Adrenaline addicts are all on top of that famous mt 07 some one had to keep them in mind this really punchy engine is out standing

  • @gerryattrickbiker
    @gerryattrickbiker 2 роки тому +2

    Sure looks a great bike at a reasonable price, I'm with you though on the rear end and the superfluous self cancelling indicators. Whether uk bikers are ready to embrace it I'm not sure. Historically CF Moto residuals to date have been poor. Hard to get on mainstream buyers shopping list.

    • @EdwardVelez
      @EdwardVelez Рік тому

      What do you mean exactly?

    • @TronciM
      @TronciM Рік тому +1

      @@EdwardVelez probably parts

    • @EdwardVelez
      @EdwardVelez Рік тому

      @GoobysFreekicksTop10 Like the parts are cheaply made? Or is getting those parts difficult?

    • @TronciM
      @TronciM Рік тому +1

      @@EdwardVelez I think the latter. That's always the case with Chinese bikes though

  • @rog5150
    @rog5150 2 роки тому

    Okay, you beat to death sport mode, eco mode, indicators, comfort but what about lights at night, steering lock, those big brakes, mirrors, luggage possibilities and does that back tyre cover you in the wet? C- could do better (so easily)

  • @clivegoodman1149
    @clivegoodman1149 2 роки тому

    would you have this over the Heritage?

  • @darrylredmill4376
    @darrylredmill4376 2 роки тому

    Kawasaki based engine? Does that mean its an original kwack unit rebadged or is it a copy made by cf moto?

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  2 роки тому +4

      CF Moto version of it; but remember CF Moto have been making engines for KTM for years

  • @TronciM
    @TronciM Рік тому

    These bikes are actually quite high specced... Brembo brakes, kyb suspension, upside down forks...

  • @clangerbasher
    @clangerbasher 2 роки тому

    Zontes scooter review soon good sirs?

  • @Rangerscott69
    @Rangerscott69 Рік тому

    Eco mode = rain mode

  • @theprophecy169
    @theprophecy169 2 роки тому

    Does any one know the top speed of this bike?

  • @davidg2116
    @davidg2116 2 роки тому

    Looks a decent bike but it's priced far too close to the Japanese competition. Extras like cruise control and fancy indicators wouldn't sway me from a cb650r. The biggest issue though is the depreciation. Prices will fall like a lead balloon once rolled out of the dealership.
    The long warranty will have conditions that only a CF Moto dealer can service or only use very specific parts that may be hard to source for a bike that's just been launched and won't sell huge amounts.
    I'm looking for a new commuter and this could have been a competitor if it weren't for these issues

    • @John_Ridley
      @John_Ridley Рік тому

      Different strokes. I'm looking for a long-term middleweight, and in the US I don't ever want to buy a bike without cruise control again, I can be on the expressway for 8 or 10 hours and a throttle lock is OK but not great. I have to spend double this from anyone else to get cruise control. I'd rather buy a non-Chinese bike and I still might, but getting cruise would be real nice.
      I don't care at all about self-cancelling indicators, but once they put accelerometers in, self cancelling may literally cost nothing to add in, it's just software. Similarly once you have throttle by wire, cruise control is just software and like 4 buttons, it should cost about $50 or less to add to a bike.
      Which begs the question, why don't more bikes have it?

  • @simwaduncan777
    @simwaduncan777 2 роки тому

    🇰🇪🇰🇪👏👏👏👏

  • @jameshaywood878
    @jameshaywood878 2 роки тому +1

    Not really a fan of the looks, not really cafe racer, it as the low bars, but the rest of the riding position looks too upright.

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  2 роки тому +1

      It's ok, not to everyones taste

    • @CrapKerouac
      @CrapKerouac 2 роки тому

      It's repulsive really, and that's a shame because it's probably a great bike in the long term.

  • @ravenmoto5948
    @ravenmoto5948 Рік тому

    Don't know if others know CFMoto owns 51% of KTM and makes engines for them

  • @Jim-su7en
    @Jim-su7en 6 місяців тому

    Not even basic traction control ?

  • @jjohnnyr59
    @jjohnnyr59 2 роки тому

    7 grand plus ya kidneys and a nuclear threat at every thousand miles

  • @MrBeardedgelfling
    @MrBeardedgelfling Рік тому

    Looks excellent... sounds like ass - shame it's that Kawi dog awful 650-based engine. WHY would you make a parallel twin with anything but a 270 crank? They sound SO good. This bike sounds like a lawnmower, such a shame.
    Actually on a re-listen not sure I am right... Sounds a lot nicer in sports mode lol. What timing does this engine have? At the start of the vid, it sounded very... meh. But on the like drive-by/pull-away clips it sounds much nicer.

  • @stephendigby4684
    @stephendigby4684 2 роки тому

    Sorry but I just didn't like the looks at all. Just me, it's not my type of bike. I can see how it would appeal to other bikers. The only good part of the rear end is the light. Still great video and presentation as always.

  • @danielgheno1619
    @danielgheno1619 2 роки тому

    Be

  • @Panos.78
    @Panos.78 2 роки тому

    But it is for one person....

    • @motorsforthemasses
      @motorsforthemasses  2 роки тому

      No, but passenger needs a small arse.

    • @Panos.78
      @Panos.78 2 роки тому

      @@motorsforthemasses or to be a hobbit!!!

    • @Trevorian9T
      @Trevorian9T 2 роки тому

      There is a pillion seat available from dealer and comfort seat for rider. Both are a must purchase.