In the First Gulf War they called these things "grid killers" because you could wipe out a whole 1000 square meter grid square with one missile. Kinda hard to believe until you see it
They thought that tube artillery cluster munitions were bad...this is an entire cannonade in one missile. Kinda like Snake Eye bombs, only rocket propelled and more accurate.
And the American boys had all they needed, the Pentagon was running an open bar. But the Ukrainians only have access to a cash bar with whatever money they get from Congress. Different party.
For people to really believe it, they must have a video showing the mass of troops having a outing before this cbu rained down. For Russian propaganda to believe it or admit this one, we'll see!
@@hansybarra and in those cases we dint se it from the start of event,, the camera did pan over after the show was done ,, i have watched live cluster munition in use, if it comes down a steep angle hte case ALWAYS arive first, if it a over shoot, wher the sub munition it release at the top of the arc , then it like the munition is released at the top of a rainbow, and driple down, and the case or rocket lands at the end of the rainbow, its simple logic
@@cmtwgrdk2748 Too much rainbow in your logic. You didn't explain why the other two strikes didn't show up the container hitting the ground in a big expIotion anywhere near like the first one.
0:20 The ATACMS missile dispenses bomblets by spinning up at altitude. The height determines the pattern on the ground. However, the M74 APAM grenades decend more slowly than the main missile section which consists primarily of the high pressure steel propulsion section and control sections. The "dud" is consistent with the main body impacting farm soil. There is another impact seen mid-screen, consistent with a main body impacting paved roadway. Since the ATACMS is a maneuvering missile (rather than ballistic), the bomblet pattern trajectory and main missile trajectory end points are not necessarily coincident.
Sounds like a great system that could do some serious damage to critical infrastructure. Instead these rare beasts are wasted on eliminating some recruits apparently. Looks like Ukraine is in panic mode or just incompetent.
@@antoniograncino3506 Wasting rare and precious ATACMS on wiping out some recruits rather than destroying high value strategic assets is the definition of incompetence. Panic is another explanation of irrational behavior
Are you sure the "dud" wasn't the missile engine and casing impacting before the cluster munitions? The munitions are released at a certain height while the missile body and engine will continue its trajectory. The bomblets will fall afterwards.
Ultra kill was the highest innit? I remember getting some of those with the redeemer! Damn those were the days! Edit : I think mooooonster kill was the thing.
@@assaulter99 "Godlike" at 30 kills in 30ish seconds. Got in once in a ultra grudge match against another very skilled player by spawnkilling him in ctf with a flak cannon :D
12 seconds between that appearing and the cluster munitions showing up? I think that is wrong but whatever, the end result was not good for the infesting Orcs.
@@marcelOberauer Off screen. Video has been edited down, only the first submunition impact is shown. For other two we only see the results of the impact.
@@d3nza482 The video shows all the panoramic area of more than a km of the strike sector, it should be visible where the other two booster/containers fell, but there is no sign of it.
@@user-wv8tm2iv9b Thats a fair point. I don't know what the release time average is for one to get that large of a spread. Maybe it does take that long.
I think the first impact is simply the cone head or other parts of the rocket that already released the bomblets. It obviously has more momentum and impacts first.
Was the first one really a dud? Ukraine used a technique a few months ago with artillery hitting a troop formation in a field when the first round is normal munition, so the natural instinctive reaction of the troops is to get down onto the ground. Which is absolutely ideal for the successive strikes of cluster munition which have a much better spread out target.
The spotter drone had absolutely no problem getting to the area so EW in the orccuppied territories is non-existant or the drone has the best radio frequency ever!
I don't think the first was a dud, after the ejection of the sublets they start spinning and that drag creates a delay before the sublets hit the ground, but I'm no expert at all on atacms...
I'm not sure if this is the case but I know at one point a tactic was for a single explosive head to cause infantry to lay down which made the following cluster munitions more deadly.
That's one hell of a pissed off meter maid calling in a full on cluster missile strike 🤣 Then again, Russians can't drive civilized even when their lives depend on it.. 😉
I don't think that first "hit" in the lower left was a dud - it appears that it was the rocket section that landed after it distributed it's payload. Slow motion videos from ATACMS testing show the cluster missile spins rapidly right before the fairings separate and the APAMS scatter. That black puff is likely the drone capturing the impact of the rocket motor from one of the ATACMS rounds.
No, that's the rear part and it hits last every time I've seen a hit close enough to see the rear impact as well. It also never explodes that large on impact for an absolute fact. It was without a doubt a failed missile, however it looks like they fired two at that main area so it worked out.
Best and most urgent place for active defense - or should we say: ATACM' defense? Ukraine's defense forces are taking measures to drive the Russian invaders out of the village of Ocheretyne in the eastern Donetsk region. That's according to Lt. Col. Nazar Voloshyn, spokesperson for the Khortytsia group of forces, Ukrinform reports, citing ArmyInform. "With regard to the situation in Ocheretyne, the enemy managed to break through and dig in in this settlement. Part of it is under the control of the enemy. This part is under our fire control. The Armed Forces and Defense Forces are taking all measures to drive the enemy out of there. Heavy fighting is currently going on there. The Armed Forces are monitoring this situation," Voloshyn said. According to him, the enemy deployed up to four brigades in this area to develop their tactical success and break through Ukrainian defenses. "For our part, measures are also being taken to stabilize the situation, in particular, to regain control over Ocheretyne. To do so, additional forces and resources have been deployed from the reserve," he said. Earlier, Voloshyn stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces controlled two-thirds of the villages of Ocheretyne and Soloviove.
Just a heads-up. I have heard from several trolls on another channel this was not a training facility for russian soldies. I posed the question how they would know that. When they answer back, I will pass along this vital inromation. 🤣🤣🤣 Just as another heads-up, many of your donation requests at the end of your videos start out very quiet.
I don't know if that was a dud or the rocket body after dispensing it's munitions look like a pretty big explosion to be the rocket after dispensing could have been a dud but the Munitions inside went off when it hit still would do a huge amount of damage if it hit something
I tried to post first a little joke. Deleted. I then posted about how Ukraine won’t really start using their ATACMS en masse until they start flying the F-16s. Then they’ll use the ATACMS to go after ADS to open up Crimea for the F-16s.
No, because the sub-munitions won't fall to earth faster than the missile body. They arrive about 10 seconds later which would more closely align to a launch interval of two separate missiles.
Maybe not a dud, the cluster warhead ejects its 900 bomblettes above the ground and the main body of missile carries on to hit the ground before the small bombs do,
this was the M39A1 variant - 300 bomblets , 190mile range (so could be fired from much farther away from the front line - essential when the strike was deeper)
@@alanbuxey They would not waste a 300km range ATACMS on a target 80km from the frontline when they could use 150km range with 3 x the number of bombs.
@@chrissmith2114 you can roughly count the bomblets in the image. Anyway , using the more powerful M39 variant with 900 bomblets on such a small target would be the waste....and the launch site would be within 70km of the frontline - thus easily in reach of a quick strike by Russian ballistic or attack aircraft.
I have to wonder if both sides deliberately choose not to use expensive SAM missiles on relatively cheap spotter drones. This is instead of it being a matter of them being incapable of shooting down the spotter drones.
Drones don't fit the typical profile of a SAM target. All this stuff was designed to shoot down big hunks of metal traveling at high velocity. If they widened the targeting profile, waterfowl would go extinct in Ukraine. "Your goose is cooked," would take on new meaning.
Thank you Sir. These are so long overdue - a costly delay. But ... seems accuracy + reliability is not what we came to expect from HIMARS. Perhaps that's partly why they were delayed.
The circumference of the cluster of bomblets appears to be about 100m, and chances are most of the personnel in those circles were knocked out of the battle. What a nasty weapon!
One or two Atacms missiles were shot down. But the irony is that the submunitions fell to the ground anyway. The rod and fragmentation parts of anti-aircraft missiles cannot destroy the entire cargo carried by a missile with many bombs.
Public Relation opportunity!!!!!!!!! Get that mechanic some American Rosie the Riveter posters! That mechanic must use Rosie the Riveter poster as part of her communication.
Thought I'd heard before that for cluster munitions on troops they prefer the troops be lying on the ground rather than standing so they'll first hit with a normal explosive and then follow it up a few seconds later with the cluster bomb. This fits well with what you've shown since the "dud" and first cluster bomb are in the area with the troops and that's the only area that received more than one strike.
The first hit is not a dud. Its the front part of the missile slamming into the dirt at mach 3. It breaks away to let the clusters muni out. It think what we see here is the M39A1 (ATACMS Block IA) Its a horrible weapon to use tbh. Dont like one bit. Tactical nukes are just one step away..
Is it conceivable that the first impact could be something like a decoy or electronic jamming device? Perhaps also to obtain telemetric data and countermeasures? Just the thoughts of a relative layman.... Thank you for the *exzellent vid* , like usualy !
That is not a dud. It is the carrier vehicle impacting the ground. The trajectory and timing between its landing and the cluster impacts matches, and a fully "dud" cluster munition is a statistical improbability - if it was carrying any amount of explosives and fuel and missed or was intercepted, you will not see the characteristically black plume that quickly disperses. That is what happens on training bombs impacts, because while often supersonic in speed, they do not have any innate explosive potential. And completely expected to see the same from any heavy piece of metal hitting the ground really fast.
I saw someone say it wasn’t a dud but the empty rocket housing impacting at high speed, which if used at close range can still have fuel and explode on impact
Requirement for advanced munitions is reportedly a shelf life of at least 10 - 20 years with only minor losses in reliability. However with 10 - 20 being the absolute minimum requirement, I would think that the industry standard is probably more like 20 - 30 years. Of course there will most definitely be a minor loss in reliability before the 20 - 30 years are over, as allowed by the requirements. It's safe to assume these cluster ATACMS in the clip are the same early 1990s batch we've seen pictures of. Reports say they're close to their max shelf life, which absolutely would make sense given the age of already beyond 30 years. With that in mind I think it's not that surprising to see a dud. What is surprising however is that the US isn't just freely giving away what is at its mac shelf life and hence up for dismantlement anyway. Giving away what needs to be dismantled soon is not only not costing anything, but actually *saving the US money* ... Meanwhile the original price tag of these is most likely taken into consideration and added to the stated value of the current "aid package", as well as subtracted from the recently approved total of $60b...
0:05 an Idea, could it be that the first one is a practice version sent in first to attract possible AA fire and there by make it more likely the other ATACMS would get trough?
The first may have been to get the Russians to instinctively lay in the prone. These type of cluster munitions are more effective with the troops laying down and presenting more surface to the air bursting munitions.
The Hills are alive, with the sound of ATACMS.
The hills may be alive but the is more that can be said for Putin's boys,
Bravo! I didn't have a good tie in for this video. Great Job! Judy Garland would be proud.
@@bigearl3867 Julie Andrews, from the Sound of Music.
"Howdya solve a problem like ATACMs..."
A most beautiful sound
Russians will announce that this was a hospital for Ukrainian POWs and that 400 POWs were killed by this "friendly fire"...
Go take your 💊💊
With out a doubt.
And they will avenge this ‘atrocity’ by destroying civilian buildings such as hospitals or law schools in Ukraine.
The usual that nobody believes anymore.
@@truthbsaid1600 Except most Russians.
In the First Gulf War they called these things "grid killers" because you could wipe out a whole 1000 square meter grid square with one missile. Kinda hard to believe until you see it
They thought that tube artillery cluster munitions were bad...this is an entire cannonade in one missile. Kinda like Snake Eye bombs, only rocket propelled and more accurate.
There's no running away from that.
That is absolutely terrifying. It looks like the paintings you see from the Valley of Ten Thousand Smokes.
And the American boys had all they needed, the Pentagon was running an open bar. But the Ukrainians only have access to a cash bar with whatever money they get from Congress. Different party.
For people to really believe it, they must have a video showing the mass of troops having a outing before this cbu rained down. For Russian propaganda to believe it or admit this one, we'll see!
I’ve seen many cluster munitions in use. The coverage of this ATACMS payload is - by far - the most devastating.
It's crazy isn't it? They look a few feet apart.
It covered an emply field
@@solidfoelife cry orc cry! 😆
@@NoHandle555 I see no bodies. All I see is keep cope alive
The munitions spread is so dense 💀
The dispersion radius of ATACMS payload is enormous, 100m+ radius is unreal.
ATACMS: We're baaaack.😁
Thank you Suchomimus
You are very welcome
maybe first impact was not dud, but empty missile hitting ground after discharging sub munition.
sub munition landed a bit later.
Empty canister wont expIode, and there are other two strikes too whitout showing a previous expIotion.
@@hansybarra and in those cases we dint se it from the start of event,, the camera did pan over after the show was done ,, i have watched live cluster munition in use, if it comes down a steep angle hte case ALWAYS arive first, if it a over shoot, wher the sub munition it release at the top of the arc , then it like the munition is released at the top of a rainbow, and driple down, and the case or rocket lands at the end of the rainbow, its simple logic
@@cmtwgrdk2748 Too much rainbow in your logic. You didn't explain why the other two strikes didn't show up the container hitting the ground in a big expIotion anywhere near like the first one.
A longer video was posted zoomed in on the troop concentration before the drone zoomed out ahead of the strike.
What is the URL ?
@@antoniograncino3506 It was posted on X by JB Schneider on May 1 1:17 PM, not sure if I can post a link here
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0:20 The ATACMS missile dispenses bomblets by spinning up at altitude. The height determines the pattern on the ground. However, the M74 APAM grenades decend more slowly than the main missile section which consists primarily of the high pressure steel propulsion section and control sections. The "dud" is consistent with the main body impacting farm soil. There is another impact seen mid-screen, consistent with a main body impacting paved roadway.
Since the ATACMS is a maneuvering missile (rather than ballistic), the bomblet pattern trajectory and main missile trajectory end points are not necessarily coincident.
Sounds like a great system that could do some serious damage to critical infrastructure. Instead these rare beasts are wasted on eliminating some recruits apparently. Looks like Ukraine is in panic mode or just incompetent.
@@tellyboy17 Or Ukraine is far more competent than the orcs you support?
@@tellyboy17 Nothing in this attack to indicate incompetence, mon ami. And from what do you deduce "panic" ?
@@antoniograncino3506 Wasting rare and precious ATACMS on wiping out some recruits rather than destroying high value strategic assets is the definition of incompetence. Panic is another explanation of irrational behavior
@@tellyboy17 If Russia had done this kind of attack on Ukrainian soldiers, would you say they were being wasteful with their ordinance?
That's exactly what ATACMS was designed to accomplish.
thank God that they have renewed ability to defend their country
Are you sure the "dud" wasn't the missile engine and casing impacting before the cluster munitions? The munitions are released at a certain height while the missile body and engine will continue its trajectory. The bomblets will fall afterwards.
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Do they get an air strike as reward?
“Monster Kill”
Ultra kill was the highest innit? I remember getting some of those with the redeemer! Damn those were the days! Edit : I think mooooonster kill was the thing.
@@assaulter99 "Godlike" at 30 kills in 30ish seconds. Got in once in a ultra grudge match against another very skilled player by spawnkilling him in ctf with a flak cannon :D
I don't think there's a dud, isn't it the empty case hitting the ground
Unclear, could be either. Those cluster variants are ancient, so it's basically expected that some will be duds.
jup, its the empty case
Pretty big explosion for a empty canister I think it failed to open but the Munitions detonated when impact
12 seconds between that appearing and the cluster munitions showing up? I think that is wrong but whatever, the end result was not good for the infesting Orcs.
I dont think so, as there were other two strikes which didn't show any "empty case" expIotion.
Jesus that's a scary fucking explosion
Another day in Mordor, sub-munition hell
Welcome to Ukraine ATCMS!
It wasn't a dud, it was the main body of the missile which have fallen after the submuniiton was ejected.
Weather forecast for the Kuban Area: Cloudy with the occasional steen rain.
First impact was the missile container, not a dud. The impact was in the middle of the cluster pattern
Empty containers wont expIode like that. It was a failed missile.
@@marcelOberauer Remaining fuel can cause an explosion, also what was hit may have contained explosives.
@@christopherrobinson7541 And where are the expIotions from the other two missiIes...?
@@marcelOberauer Off screen. Video has been edited down, only the first submunition impact is shown. For other two we only see the results of the impact.
@@d3nza482 The video shows all the panoramic area of more than a km of the strike sector, it should be visible where the other two booster/containers fell, but there is no sign of it.
ATACMS=Sleep Dealers….
Are you sure they are just asleep. They look pretty dead from here.
@@bigblue6917
Eternal sleep.
Thank you for the update.
That would ruin your day.
First impact is not a dud. It's the body of the warhead that was carrying the cluster munitions.
Cheers
Thank you for the update. The world needs to step up the support of Ukraine.
Nice!
the supposed dud was probably the carriage/booster for the cluster munitions
There were about 14 seconds between the first impact and the detonation of submunitions. Seems a bit much for the impact to have been the canister.
@@user-wv8tm2iv9b Older version has 950 bomblets. Also some of those bomblets are from the predecessor from atamcs, the lance missile.
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Thats a fair point. I don't know what the release time average is for one to get that large of a spread. Maybe it does take that long.
@@chukkie0001 I don't understand what that has to do with the first impact being a dud or an emptied canister.
@@bonedoc4556 But then where are the canister impacts from the other two spreads?
It wasn't a "dud", that first black impact was the shell casing of the sub munitions...
Thank you good sir
Thanks for the update 👍
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I think the first impact is simply the cone head or other parts of the rocket that already released the bomblets. It obviously has more momentum and impacts first.
That drone wasn't seeking out targets. It was prepositioned for BDA.
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No way they will be able to make 100 Ladas in one day
china took over the car market, they don't make any cars anymore
Was the first one really a dud?
Ukraine used a technique a few months ago with artillery hitting a troop formation in a field when the first round is normal munition, so the natural instinctive reaction of the troops is to get down onto the ground. Which is absolutely ideal for the successive strikes of cluster munition which have a much better spread out target.
someone on another thread said it was not a dud but the missiles unused bits crashing to the ground - after the bomblets have been ejected / dropped
Hippidy Hoppity get off my prosperity.
The spotter drone had absolutely no problem getting to the area so EW in the orccuppied territories is non-existant or the drone has the best radio frequency ever!
Grid square removal device in action.
That poor truck that was just trying to get home!
ATACMS = Rear Area Molester
Rear Area Monster. Well them Russian troops have had their rear area monstered.
Well Rodgered rear areas
@@brianjohnston413 Not a Brit but think it's buggered not rogered.
Drones cruising in sunny day, well done.
I don't think the first was a dud, after the ejection of the sublets they start spinning and that drag creates a delay before the sublets hit the ground, but I'm no expert at all on atacms...
I'm not sure if this is the case but I know at one point a tactic was for a single explosive head to cause infantry to lay down which made the following cluster munitions more deadly.
Well done!!!!!
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Heroyam Slava ! 🇺🇦✌
You can't park that there mate😅😅😅😅😅
That's one hell of a pissed off meter maid calling in a full on cluster missile strike 🤣
Then again, Russians can't drive civilized even when their lives depend on it.. 😉
I don't think that first "hit" in the lower left was a dud - it appears that it was the rocket section that landed after it distributed it's payload. Slow motion videos from ATACMS testing show the cluster missile spins rapidly right before the fairings separate and the APAMS scatter. That black puff is likely the drone capturing the impact of the rocket motor from one of the ATACMS rounds.
No, that's the rear part and it hits last every time I've seen a hit close enough to see the rear impact as well. It also never explodes that large on impact for an absolute fact. It was without a doubt a failed missile, however it looks like they fired two at that main area so it worked out.
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Dud is expected as they are built in the 90s, however these are still great systems since inertial navigation is more resilient to EW countermeasures.
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ATACMS makes "good Russians."
The first hit is not a dud, UKR fires a round to make humans hit the ground, making them a bigger target.
Bing
Bravo...alph...november....golf!!!!!!
Best military acronym ever: ATACMS "Attack 'ems". Easy to say and remember, and to the point.
Another Amazing Video! Thank you. 🇦🇺👴🏻
Best and most urgent place for active defense - or should we say: ATACM' defense?
Ukraine's defense forces are taking measures to drive the Russian invaders out of the village of Ocheretyne in the eastern Donetsk region.
That's according to Lt. Col. Nazar Voloshyn, spokesperson for the Khortytsia group of forces, Ukrinform reports, citing ArmyInform.
"With regard to the situation in Ocheretyne, the enemy managed to break through and dig in in this settlement. Part of it is under the control of the enemy. This part is under our fire control. The Armed Forces and Defense Forces are taking all measures to drive the enemy out of there. Heavy fighting is currently going on there. The Armed Forces are monitoring this situation," Voloshyn said.
According to him, the enemy deployed up to four brigades in this area to develop their tactical success and break through Ukrainian defenses.
"For our part, measures are also being taken to stabilize the situation, in particular, to regain control over Ocheretyne. To do so, additional forces and resources have been deployed from the reserve," he said.
Earlier, Voloshyn stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces controlled two-thirds of the villages of Ocheretyne and Soloviove.
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Just a heads-up. I have heard from several trolls on another channel this was not a training facility for russian soldies. I posed the question how they would know that. When they answer back, I will pass along this vital inromation. 🤣🤣🤣 Just as another heads-up, many of your donation requests at the end of your videos start out very quiet.
Likely say it was a gathering of POW staging for return.😂
@@bonedoc4556 I'm sure it was a gathering of Young Pioneers (Boy Scouts) boys & girls for a jamboree. LOL!!
@@bonedoc4556 No doubt a gathering of the G7 with their delegates in Luhansk. Or nuns & orphans.
@@hardtackbeans9790 Babushkas and mini me's
@@bonedoc4556 LOL!!
I don't know if that was a dud or the rocket body after dispensing it's munitions look like a pretty big explosion to be the rocket after dispensing could have been a dud but the Munitions inside went off when it hit still would do a huge amount of damage if it hit something
Just look how big the explosion was compared to the trees whatever happen it was definitely a huge explosion
YT basically doesn’t let me comment on Succho’s channel. lol. It’ll only let through posts that say YT doesn’t let me post. 😂
I can't write Slava Ukraini on Denys Davydov's channel.
Unless I write that I can't write Slava Ukraini.
UA-cam is completely insane...
@@fabianschrotter keep it that way, it's annoying usually
Use a secondary channel. YT AI sometimes restrict comment by size or key words, or even shadow ban all comments for no reason.
I tried to post first a little joke. Deleted. I then posted about how Ukraine won’t really start using their ATACMS en masse until they start flying the F-16s. Then they’ll use the ATACMS to go after ADS to open up Crimea for the F-16s.
@@TikhonT. I switched to “Blue skies over golden fields”. But that doesn't work anymore either.
I think the so-called 'dud' is the missile body hitting after it does a high altitude deployment of the submunitions.
No, because the sub-munitions won't fall to earth faster than the missile body. They arrive about 10 seconds later which would more closely align to a launch interval of two separate missiles.
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I wonder if the first round was a dummy/decoy round intended to catch any air defense rounds fired at them!
Maybe not a dud, the cluster warhead ejects its 900 bomblettes above the ground and the main body of missile carries on to hit the ground before the small bombs do,
this was the M39A1 variant - 300 bomblets , 190mile range (so could be fired from much farther away from the front line - essential when the strike was deeper)
@@alanbuxey They would not waste a 300km range ATACMS on a target 80km from the frontline when they could use 150km range with 3 x the number of bombs.
@@chrissmith2114 you can roughly count the bomblets in the image. Anyway , using the more powerful M39 variant with 900 bomblets on such a small target would be the waste....and the launch site would be within 70km of the frontline - thus easily in reach of a quick strike by Russian ballistic or attack aircraft.
A dud wouldn't surprise me. Most of the missiles sent so far date back to the 1990's. The US hasn't been supplying their latest stuff...yet.
Hope we can see lots of similar videos soon.
I have to wonder if both sides deliberately choose not to use expensive SAM missiles on relatively cheap spotter drones. This is instead of it being a matter of them being incapable of shooting down the spotter drones.
These drones are made out of plastic , very small and slow
The problem is detection
Drones don't fit the typical profile of a SAM target. All this stuff was designed to shoot down big hunks of metal traveling at high velocity. If they widened the targeting profile, waterfowl would go extinct in Ukraine. "Your goose is cooked," would take on new meaning.
The gathering of troops all took a smoke break at the exact same time.
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Thank you Sir. These are so long overdue - a costly delay. But ... seems accuracy + reliability is not what we came to expect from HIMARS. Perhaps that's partly why they were delayed.
Or targeting info was wrong.
The circumference of the cluster of bomblets appears to be about 100m, and chances are most of the personnel in those circles were knocked out of the battle. What a nasty weapon!
One or two Atacms missiles were shot down. But the irony is that the submunitions fell to the ground anyway. The rod and fragmentation parts of anti-aircraft missiles cannot destroy the entire cargo carried by a missile with many bombs.
Public Relation opportunity!!!!!!!!! Get that mechanic some American Rosie the Riveter posters! That mechanic must use Rosie the Riveter poster as part of her communication.
Thought I'd heard before that for cluster munitions on troops they prefer the troops be lying on the ground rather than standing so they'll first hit with a normal explosive and then follow it up a few seconds later with the cluster bomb. This fits well with what you've shown since the "dud" and first cluster bomb are in the area with the troops and that's the only area that received more than one strike.
Dud or one that has had the clusters removed for drone munitions and fired for effect?
The first one was probably to attract any anti-drone or aircraft missiles, so the others can get through to the target.
These are much more effective than DPICMs. There's no blind spot within the radius of the strike.
The first hit is not a dud. Its the front part of the missile slamming into the dirt at mach 3. It breaks away to let the clusters muni out. It think what we see here is the M39A1 (ATACMS Block IA) Its a horrible weapon to use tbh. Dont like one bit. Tactical nukes are just one step away..
Is it conceivable that the first impact could be something like a decoy or electronic jamming device?
Perhaps also to obtain telemetric data and countermeasures?
Just the thoughts of a relative layman....
Thank you for the *exzellent vid* , like usualy !
That is not a dud. It is the carrier vehicle impacting the ground. The trajectory and timing between its landing and the cluster impacts matches, and a fully "dud" cluster munition is a statistical improbability - if it was carrying any amount of explosives and fuel and missed or was intercepted, you will not see the characteristically black plume that quickly disperses. That is what happens on training bombs impacts, because while often supersonic in speed, they do not have any innate explosive potential. And completely expected to see the same from any heavy piece of metal hitting the ground really fast.
Could the first strike be one of these decoy missiles that are used to make interception more difficult?
Satellite imagery should reveal marshalling yards. The spotting drones may be for bomb assessment to determine if an immediate 2nd strike is needed
I saw someone say it wasn’t a dud but the empty rocket housing impacting at high speed, which if used at close range can still have fuel and explode on impact
Astonishing implementation. 🇬🇧🇺🇦🇪🇺
not dud...
Number 4 looked like a miss - but it sure did destroy an empty field.
That's the issue with ATACMS - they're old and inaccurate with duds.
ISW says 116 soldiers killed in this attack, and one Himars was a dud.
ATACMS designer way back: "Hear me out, canister shot, but on a missile!"
Requirement for advanced munitions is reportedly a shelf life of at least 10 - 20 years with only minor losses in reliability.
However with 10 - 20 being the absolute minimum requirement, I would think that the industry standard is probably more like 20 - 30 years. Of course there will most definitely be a minor loss in reliability before the 20 - 30 years are over, as allowed by the requirements.
It's safe to assume these cluster ATACMS in the clip are the same early 1990s batch we've seen pictures of. Reports say they're close to their max shelf life, which absolutely would make sense given the age of already beyond 30 years.
With that in mind I think it's not that surprising to see a dud.
What is surprising however is that the US isn't just freely giving away what is at its mac shelf life and hence up for dismantlement anyway. Giving away what needs to be dismantled soon is not only not costing anything, but actually *saving the US money* ...
Meanwhile the original price tag of these is most likely taken into consideration and added to the stated value of the current "aid package", as well as subtracted from the recently approved total of $60b...
4 looks like it was just a miss to be fair
i have seen this strike on youtube from the position of the spotter drone... itt is out there somewhere
0:05 an Idea, could it be that the first one is a practice version sent in first to attract possible AA fire and there by make it more likely the other ATACMS would get trough?
The first may have been to get the Russians to instinctively lay in the prone. These type of cluster munitions are more effective with the troops laying down and presenting more surface to the air bursting munitions.
You would think they would hit the troops first for maximum effect. When the first one landed everyone would have been diving for cover.