I went to school with the girl. And every time she would have her period she tells people she's miss carrying.She told me once that she had a miscarriage during our passing period?! I asked her what it looked like and she said “just like a teeny tiny baby”, at that point I was convinced she was lying every time And we told her no , you're just having your period she had something wrong with her mentally.
Yeah. If she said it looked like a weird little alien thing. I would believe her. They do not look like babies early on. Such a strange, wants be a victim girl. 😳🙄
I worked with a woman who used to tell people she was pregnant. Then she would go to the washroom, and when she came out, would say she had a miscarriage. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Strange I know that's only 2 cases of this but I wonder if this behavior is worth classifying or maybe it already in the dsm or something, seems like bpd and Munchausen.
I'm a doula and this scam is very common in many doula communities however I dont know anyone who has actually gone to a client's home and supported them without payment or proof of pregnancy. Doulas are more inclined to validate our clients' feelings and experiences so this woman chose the perfect targets. If you're a doula or want to be one you have to meet the client in person before they are due and have boundaries in place to protect yourself (payment, in-person meetings, contracts, not taking anyone who is 37weeks+ etc), nothing would make me go to a stranger's house who claims to be in labor, but I do empathize with the victims. This woman manipulated them and tugged on their heart strings, anyone called to do this work can relate to that, I hope they get justice.
Wow, this is my first time to hear of this. I after hearing the video, i thought it was a very unusual mental illness not a common thing. Women can be weird.
I had a roommate who had a tenuous relationship with reality. She was a low-level administrator at a hospital and accused several doctors of making inappropriate advances at her (turns out, they didn’t). She would also follow me on dates and say several men were stalking her. I had to move out. The next time I saw her she was in a mental health facility, which was probably the best place for her. She was very childlike, but her accusations almost cost a couple of doctors their careers, so she wasn’t harmless.
People really suck sometimes. The good doctors get accused, and the bad ones get away with their crimes? It’s a mess. One jerk like this woman and people are so much less likely to believe a legit report of assault.
@@AmonAnon-vw3hr luckily it is not extremely common. But when you have hundreds of patients you're eventually going to run into someone like that. In the hospital we put it on the chart in a place that will be noticeable when they go to the next hospital. And that way people, including women, only go into their room with at least two staff. Also it's never a sane person, typically they're either the Karen type, Munchausen's, or borderline. Also also they usually do other false claims first before jump into that one.
Got the ad break right as soon as he finished the first sentence. I swear to God, anything that advertises in moments like those I will make a point to boycott for the remainder of my life.
At our 20th class reunion a man and a woman followed each other around lifting their shirts and showing their bellies to each other and screaming at the top of their lungs.
@@lachlanwilson6389 That's a weird take. I only surround myself with good people who I appreciate for various reasons. I don't need to know any bad people, nor want to, to appreciate those in my life.
@@It-is-me...Melsie Your take is bizarre. You don't always have control over the people in your life, in work and in your family. My point was that tolerating bad people makes you appreciate good people more.
She sounds like one of those people where everyone who interacts with her in real life finds her to be an attention seeking liar, annoying, and overall a bit weird. I bet she struggles making friends but lacks the insight to understand that her pattern of lies may gather some initial curiosity and sympathy but only ends up isolating her further.
This is accurate. I knew a very overweight woman who was a mom, and during her second pregnancy, when I knew her, you really couldn’t tell. I’m sure different body types all carry pregnancy differently; some people hide it better than others based on build as well as weight.
I mean most of these women who lie about these pregnancies tend to be heavy set . Only one girl I've seen who lied about being pregnant was pretty skinny and wore a fake belly
@@edvh88 It's also true that heavy girls often have irregular periods. I've known of a couple cases of young girls who when this happened, they jumped to the conclusion that they were pregnant. Even after it was proven they weren't, they became fixated on it.
My thoughts are poor Dr. Grande! He falls on the sword for us all the time, analyzing and trying to make a sense of peculiar people doing bizarre things…and I’m grateful for his thoughts on these things 🌵
Exactly! My daughter in law had twins and you could not even tell if she was pregnant or not. My daughter on the other hand looked VERY pregnant each time. Both girls are size 24 or so. It’s interesting to me. But, I’m only about 150 and one out of my 4 I didn’t show much until 6 months. The rest I looked giant by 4 months! Bodies are weird. Have a great day everyone!
To be clear, Dr. Grande's video paraphrased quotes from the victimized doulas who were duped into performing perineal groin massages with two fingers upon a physically grotesque and morally repulsive sexual predator who was born a biological woman, but who was not actually pregnant. (There are some biological women who are predators, too.) "The trauma caused by being exposed to her naked body was severe. Some victims were not certain that recovery would ever be possible." My goodness . . . . My heart breaks for the victims of this crime. After reading the following comments, in no way do I believe that Dr. Grande was fat shaming overweight members of human society en masse. That would be falsely conflating (i.e., merging of two or more sets of information, texts, ideas, etc. into one) the evidence. Whether they use politics, intellect, or religion, a sense of moral superiority often drives people to virtue signal through the justification of their own core values, belief systems, attitudes, and behaviors. Thus, everybody is entitled to his or her opinions, but not every opinion is equally valid. It is the outcome of one's temporal personal decisions that matter in the long run.
This makes me so mad. All the people who HAVE suffered assaults, all the people who HAVE lost a pregnancy or had a stillbirth, this makes a mockery of them and makes authorities less likely to believe folks when they report assault.
@@mariec3527 Yes, if someone billed their insurance for them. The psycho in this video got gullible doulas to treat her for free, so no insurance was billed.
Doulas are also certified in Ontario if they choose to do so, and also are covered my insurance companies 🤦🏻♀️ doulas are not regulated in Canada or the US. Certified and regulated are two very different things.
I think because the Crown Counsel didn’t have that as their sentencing option. The judge was not happy with their choice of sentencing, and he wanted her to have stiffer punishments and for the sentencing to recognize and help mitigate recidivism or future repeat offences. Maybe it was part of the plea agreement or something. The SA charges should never have been dropped for the plea agreement either, but they were. I think a jury would’ve thrown the whole book at her and found her guilty of pretty much every charge, though. And now that she HAS reoffended, perhaps she can be properly sentenced once she is found guilty of these new charges. Because she definitely IS.
Something was Wrong podcast has a season on this case. One very important piece that’s missing here is that she also accused a CHILD that was assigned to her of SA years prior to the doula stuff😡 her mom knew she suffered from this and never spoke up once. Just allowed her to keep the accusations going of countless people (and a kid) and then essentially torture unsuspecting doulas under her own roof. Even being in the next room over at times
@@Cashhhhewwhy is this so common with these psychos .? I heard another story about a woman who lied about cancer, other traumas Etc Like this woman but her name was Sarah and she went YEARS lying and frauding people and her family knew she had a history of this behavior and seriously never took a moment to stop her behavior!
I think she’s probably crazy rather than disrespectful. She probably should be locked up in an asylum rather than given house arrest. With house arrest she will just be sitting around dreaming of her drama scenarios.
What a whacko. Perhaps she should have been forced by the judge to contact that psychotherapist. Sitting at home alone for 2 years isn't going to help her mentally.
Or, far more importantly, so Doulas and other care and medical professionals can avoid her. Given that that’s what aligns with her actual criminal history.
She’s a lesbian but yes. She also claimed a CHILD SA’d her and said child was under her care as a social worker. She’s extremely dangerous. The podcast Something was Wrong season 18 does a deep dive of her history and it goes wayyyy further back. The doulas were just the first victims to come forward. She did severe damage to the child and nobody believed him until these further crimes came to light.
Ah you changed up your wording here doc!!! I'm autistic and a ruptured brain aneurysm surviver and I always say the entire intro out loud with you LOL. You caught me off with ths one. You didn't say "move to the timeline of the crime" you switched it up a little 😂
Man, I take note of the slight differences in the volume of his voice in the intro and wonder things like "is he slighty further from the mic in this video? Or is he just talking a little quieter.."
I think she's what they call an Energy Vampire. 😮According to the book, The Sociopath Next Door, a hallmark of sociopaths is that they try to make you feel sorry for them. I'm doing so much better since I learned that.
You should probably watch Dr Grande's videos on Psychopathy, Sociopathy is not in the DSM and Factor II Psychopathy is not at all like the popular understanding of the construct.
@@kennethscott4997 - Dude, I don't think we are talking about the same things. Just keep the DSM out of it as no one is diagnosing anyone here, just helping average people deal with stuff.
@@MariAsherahRose Recommending books that spread mis-information is not responsible. A true sociopath is a criminal who has no impulse control and no respect for the laws, rights, and safety of themselves and others. They are so antisocial that they do not make it through childhood without breaking the law, and spend most of their adult lives in prison. Unless you are in education or law enforcement you will probably never meet one in your daily life. It's not a personality style that can fly under the radar.
Wouldn't help. It's the act of deceiving others into falling for their lies that seems to be what appeals to munchies like this one. Acting it out isn't what she's after, it's tricking others into believing her, same with other munchies that fake chronic conditions/cancers etc. Unless they're doing it only for financial gain, most of the time it's the attention, sympathy, and knowing they've successfully convinced people into believing their lies that they get off to. Like some other perverse conditions, if the other person is aware and consenting, it's not going to give them the thrill they're seeking.
That's a fantastic business idea. I'd never heard of anyone doing this but reading the comments, it seems like it's quite common so there would be a market for it 😊
I have borderline and so I’ve studied cluster B disorders and as soon as I heard that she was faking multiple pregnancies I was like- yup, she’s a histrionic and it’s manifesting as factitious disorder. Glad dr grande called that at the end because there are no borderline traits discussed here so that part confused me.
I wonder how many women like this are out there? It’s mind boggling how these women create these wild stories and pull them off. Kaitlyn seems like the type who would befriend a pregnant woman then steal her baby.
There is a story about the woman who befriended a pregnant woman, killed the expectant woman cut the baby from the womb and brought the child home as her child .
I mean, I'm pretty weird but I have empathy and I want the best for everyone, so things still work out really well for me. These folks have something more up with them than just being weird. This is extra special weird.
Sadly she is facing two new charges stemming from the same conduct in April, she is currently in jail. Reoffending within months. House arrest was not the deterrent. 🇨🇦
I had a good friend who behaved similarly. I was there for 25 years of apparent nonstop lying. He eventually confessed but never apologized and just assumed Id forgive him and we would finally have a genuine relationship. People like this baffle me because life isnt boring at all.
I've been a midwife for 13 years and know many doulas. In addition to what you first mentioned, they offer important advocacy and help women decide when to go to the hospital or when to call the midwife. I don't know any doulas who facilitate religious transformation. Doulas' value lie in their continuous presence, help with comfort measures during labor, knowledge of position changes that may facilitate labor progress, and advocacy in the hospital. Some specific skills such as hypnobirthing or hypno babies techniques help by facilitating a trance-like calm through guided meditation and positive affirmations... I may not be describing that exactly correctly but it's close. Other doulas incorporate yoga and breathing prenatally to help during birth, and some specify that they are Christian.
^this^! It's all about protecting the space. Mine sat quietly in the room and didn't touch me at all but the calming presence and knowing I had someone who would skilfully advocate for me as needed made all the difference
@@stst77 guided meditation and hypnosis could be religious but are not by nature religious. Similarly, yoga is not by nature religious but I think it originated in Hinduism and Buddhism.
@@barbaragremaud3499I’m pretty sure yoga is a spiritual practice but either way, however they help, doulas are great and have so many different methods.
Dr. Grande as a clinician with 25 years of experience I learn so much from you. When you make assertions (one cannot have mdd and BPD at the same time), it allows me to do my research and learn new things. Thank you for educating the masses!!!!
Flashbacks to my time dating a girl with schizoaffective disorder who was often off her meds. If you love someone with mental illness, bless you. ❤ support groups are fab.
Can I ask what your experience was like? Someone close to me is suffering from the same and I’m not sure how to support my family member who is dealing with it.
@@kitty_765hey i have some insight if it helps. People off their meds and refuse to stay on them without insight are incredibly draining. If your family member is not too attached I would personally advise they back away for their own sanity. I have bipolar
Love the textbook clinical personality. So raw and uncut. Thanks Doc for your knowledge and compassion. It is all a journey. Love and blessings from Memphis Tennessee 🐈🐾
LMAO!! After the remarks about the "dulas" or what ever they're called, with having to contend with her nakedness, I missed the rest of the vid. because I was laughing so hard for so long lol. Love you Dr. Grande.
Wish she would have volunteered with some worthwhile local org then. To me it smacks of someone who is an egomaniac and wants all the attention on them.
@@edvh88 Yes, I agree, but some kinds of loneliness are deeply pathological and become malicious. It's good she was contained before getting any deeper.
We have a patient like this in our long-term care facility. Has been there for close to 40 years. Moderately mentally disabled with agitation, anxiety, Borderline Personality Disorder with attention-seeking behaviors. Would accuse other patients or staff of various assaults, despite patients being physically incapable (paralyzed, bed bound) or not present. Accused staff coming to assault her on their day off and not present. Yet she would often randomly assault others when she thought staff were not looking. Made frequent false claims of miscarriages and pregnancies. She would also purposely throw herself on the floor in a public area with many people around. These behaviors continued and increased in severity as she got older. Even being assigned a mental health worker for 1:1 attention did not help improve her behaviors. Eventually she was prescribed a small once daily dose of an anti-psychotic and an anti-depressant which was successful in calming these behaviors.
Thank you so much for being so consistent, Dr. Grande! I always know that I can come to your channel on a daily basis to watch a new, interesting video.
I learned all about this chick while listening to Wondery’s “Something Was Wrong” podcast…amazing podcast and amazingly good show, Dr. Grande!❤️🐈🐆🐈⬛💕🙏
One of my Psychology Major classmates would say " She will finally tell a story that she was hit by the plane in the runway at the Airport after making up too many tragic stories " 😂
I’m in Canada, and I have followed this vile, stomach-churning, twisted tale for awhile. And when she was convicted and then reoffended, it wasn’t as surprising as it was frustrating and sickening. One thing: I don’t think that Doulas should be allowed to touch the client. They aren’t doctors with a patient; they are merely clients. Psychiatrists can’t touch their patients here, why should some lower-level, quasi-medical practitioner who has no government or public health oversight be able to?! And especially as far as perineal massage?! Come on! Maybe this case will force the issue and they will either not be allowed to touch the client or they will have to become regulated. That could’ve at least limited some of the horrible trauma she inflicted on those poor women. I think she got off far too easy as far as punishment. Prevention is also necessary in her case and that means being found guilty and paying for every single charge.
Why do these pathological liars always end up saying they have a cancer diagnosis? Some people want attention so badly that they resort to these antics. It's sad.
I remember feeling violated one time when caring for a borderline woman. I had to catheterize her and after I was finished she said, "Oh honey that felt sooooo good! Yes, it was traumatizing. I still cringe when I think of it.
Perhaps she felt better after being cath'd because she couldn't void on her own. It just came out wrong. I had this happen after an operation and after the catheter was inserted and draining....I felt much better.
Due to her nakedness some victims did not feel that recovery from the trauma would ever be possible!! This & the previous episode featuring a sex doll have me laughing my head off-l never thought it likely that l would laugh listening to true crime stories, but your dry humour just cracks me up! Keep 'em coming Dr G!!!
The Doula coming to her house was very dangerous. That Doula doesn’t know who she’s meeting up with. She should have had a person she knows come with her to Kaitlyn house only after she spent time with Kaitlyn in a public place a few times. Also, staying with her for two days put her at risk if anything happen to the “baby” she could have been held liable. The doula should know when to call it quits and insist on the patient going to the hospital. EDIT: To the people commenting that you had doulas coming to your house on the first meeting and everything worked out fine I’m glad it worked out for you but that’s still a gamble you took without vetting them first before allowing them to know where you & your partner live. There a lot of crazy people in the world. I work in healthcare and it only takes 1 wrong decision and the rest of your life is changed forever and you can’t take it back. In this case the Doula meet Kaitlyn on Craigslist!!! Craigslist !!!! The doula is lucky that all she got was her time wasted and it wasn’t a man pretending to be a pregnant woman to lure her to the house.
I met my doula for the first time at my house, I'm assuming she will have told someone where she was going and what time to expect her back but it would have seemed weird if she had brought someone else with her. I wasn't in labour at the time though, that would be an odd first meeting! This story is wild and beyond most people's comprehension in the league of bizarre things
I first heard about this a couple of months ago and there was a really good interview with one of the doulas who explained so well how this woman pushed boundaries and manipulated them into doing things against their better judgement
@@amberwild-ms4coI also met my doula at my house with one of my pregnancies. Another, at the birth center where I was planning on having my son. However, I don't know any doula who would drive to a new client's house after they said they're in labor?!
@@Rebecca-hc5ju I wish I could find the interview because it was so expertly explained. It all sounds so crazy to us who were not there but she totally manipulated these women and a lot of the questionable choices came after days of sleep deprivation from supporting someone they believed was vulnerable and going through horrendous trauma
My apartment neighbor dated a girl for 3 months before she claimed she was pregnant. He found out she was lying and left her (obviously), and she proceeded to stalk him for the next couple of years. It finally stopped when she met someone else and he we never heard from her again. 🤷
She kinda reminds me of that woman who keeps creating problems and situations so she can get a specific police officers’ attention. I think her name is Hannah and the officer is part of the Crystal Lake PD (Illinois). The way she acts is loco.
@@AmySilva-g1r I'm sorry...how exactly is that victim shaming? My better judgment told me to just ignore your comment as obvious trolling but I couldn't help asking on the .001% chance you were actually trying to be serious.
I mean.. wow.. I'm impressed. In 100 years I don't think I'd ever think up something this crazy. Like if you said this lady is crazy, what do you think it is? I'd die on an island before I said "Messing with people who are trying to make labor and birth easier.. " Insanity really is fluid and fills every crack.
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humour and sarcasm. May 7 is National Cosmopolitan Day, National Roast Leg of Lamb Day, National Beaufort Scale Day, National Barrier Awareness Day, Children's Mental Health Awareness Day, Fair Trade Day, National Tourism Day, and Edgy Killer Bunny Day.
@@jaytee2642 "On May 7th each year, we teachers are charged with breaking down obstacles on National Barrier Awareness Day. We are responsible for dissolving stigmas keeping people with disabilities from advancing in education. "
How unfortunate! Doula's have to screen their patients too, not just the other way around! But wow such a social engineer, a hacker, using someone's kindness as their vulnerability. Sick.
I was wondering if the fact that all of the fake pregnancies were a result of sexual assault, could mean she’s reliving some sort of trauma. Maybe not even hers directly, I had a friend whose exgirlfriend’s mother was spiked (nothing happened thankfully) and she would pretty frequently act as if she’d been spiked when we were out, or would leave last and later tell us her drink was spiked. Her mother had never made a big deal of getting spiked, but it had apparently really really upset the ex-girlfriend at the time
@@yourfuturewaifu9061or perhaps the person is being delicate instead of coming out and saying shes too ugly and crazy to even get 1 night stand. Does that clarify?
I went to school with the girl. And every time she would have her period she tells people she's miss carrying.She told me once that she had a miscarriage during our passing period?! I asked her what it looked like and she said “just like a teeny tiny baby”, at that point I was convinced she was lying every time And we told her no , you're just having your period she had something wrong with her mentally.
Girls like that love to be the centre of attention.
Yeah. If she said it looked like a weird little alien thing. I would believe her. They do not look like babies early on.
Such a strange, wants be a victim girl. 😳🙄
I worked with a woman who used to tell people she was pregnant. Then she would go to the washroom, and when she came out, would say she had a miscarriage. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@brookemcgilvray3781 I had a 10 week miscarriage and it was obvious what it was, by 12 weeks they have fingers, but not monthly?
Strange I know that's only 2 cases of this but I wonder if this behavior is worth classifying or maybe it already in the dsm or something, seems like bpd and Munchausen.
I'm a doula and this scam is very common in many doula communities however I dont know anyone who has actually gone to a client's home and supported them without payment or proof of pregnancy. Doulas are more inclined to validate our clients' feelings and experiences so this woman chose the perfect targets. If you're a doula or want to be one you have to meet the client in person before they are due and have boundaries in place to protect yourself (payment, in-person meetings, contracts, not taking anyone who is 37weeks+ etc), nothing would make me go to a stranger's house who claims to be in labor, but I do empathize with the victims. This woman manipulated them and tugged on their heart strings, anyone called to do this work can relate to that, I hope they get justice.
Well put!! As the doctor said, some skepticism is healthy.
I was wondering about this. They were too nice to someone who cold called them .
Wow, this is my first time to hear of this. I after hearing the video, i thought it was a very unusual mental illness not a common thing. Women can be weird.
@@stst77 I think it's partially a link as well.
Sadly, they didn’t get the justice they deserved 😔
I’m glad they arrested her before she took it a step further and kidnapped an infant.
No freaking kidding!
Exactly
She didn’t want a kid or baby. She wanted the trauma bond. She wanted them to feel sorry for her.
Or worse.. stole a fetus out of a pregnant woman’s body
@@Jujubean9795 well she said the baby would be stillborn so if she actually got a “stillborn” baby that would get her even more attention and sympathy
I had a roommate who had a tenuous relationship with reality. She was a low-level administrator at a hospital and accused several doctors of making inappropriate advances at her (turns out, they didn’t). She would also follow me on dates and say several men were stalking her. I had to move out. The next time I saw her she was in a mental health facility, which was probably the best place for her. She was very childlike, but her accusations almost cost a couple of doctors their careers, so she wasn’t harmless.
Extremely common behavior.
People really suck sometimes. The good doctors get accused, and the bad ones get away with their crimes? It’s a mess. One jerk like this woman and people are so much less likely to believe a legit report of assault.
Typical BPD behaviour. It's like they're sympathy junkies, they crave sympathy & victimhood like a junky craves the next hit.
They never are
@@AmonAnon-vw3hr luckily it is not extremely common. But when you have hundreds of patients you're eventually going to run into someone like that. In the hospital we put it on the chart in a place that will be noticeable when they go to the next hospital. And that way people, including women, only go into their room with at least two staff. Also it's never a sane person, typically they're either the Karen type, Munchausen's, or borderline. Also also they usually do other false claims first before jump into that one.
"She was never going to be arrested again. On April 30, 2024..."
LMFAO Doc, never change XD
As soon as I heard "she was never going to be arrested again" I thought to myself "Oh boy here comes the next arrest!"
Got the ad break right as soon as he finished the first sentence. I swear to God, anything that advertises in moments like those I will make a point to boycott for the remainder of my life.
"The trauma of being exposed to her naked body was severe", one of your best Dr. Grande.
Listen!! I feel bad but I just cracked up laughing at that comment!!
If I ever get famous, I want Dr. Grande to host my roast.
@@rhondajohnson8310 You know, medical people have to see and treat people with all kinds of bodies. Maybe they get desensitized to what they see.
At our 20th class reunion a man and a woman followed each other around lifting their shirts and showing their bellies to each other and screaming at the top of their lungs.
I lost it!
I'm really kind of sad for the world that there is endless material for our good Dr Grande. 😔
2 Infinity and beyond ‼️💯ENDLESS 😢
So many defective humans which gives him material.
You wouldn't appreciate the good people as much if bad people didn't exist :)
@@lachlanwilson6389 That's a weird take. I only surround myself with good people who I appreciate for various reasons. I don't need to know any bad people, nor want to, to appreciate those in my life.
@@It-is-me...Melsie Your take is bizarre. You don't always have control over the people in your life, in work and in your family. My point was that tolerating bad people makes you appreciate good people more.
She sounds like one of those people where everyone who interacts with her in real life finds her to be an attention seeking liar, annoying, and overall a bit weird. I bet she struggles making friends but lacks the insight to understand that her pattern of lies may gather some initial curiosity and sympathy but only ends up isolating her further.
Spot On‼️💯
That feeling when you realize someone is lying about everything is such a distinct feeling.
"The doula went over to Kaitlyn's apartment. Based on Kaitlyn's size the doula thought that she could be pregnant."
This is accurate. I knew a very overweight woman who was a mom, and during her second pregnancy, when I knew her, you really couldn’t tell. I’m sure different body types all carry pregnancy differently; some people hide it better than others based on build as well as weight.
I mean most of these women who lie about these pregnancies tend to be heavy set .
Only one girl I've seen who lied about being pregnant was pretty skinny and wore a fake belly
@@edvh88 It's also true that heavy girls often have irregular periods. I've known of a couple cases of young girls who when this happened, they jumped to the conclusion that they were pregnant. Even after it was proven they weren't, they became fixated on it.
My thoughts are poor Dr. Grande!
He falls on the sword for us all the time, analyzing and trying to make a sense of peculiar people doing bizarre things…and I’m grateful for his thoughts on these things 🌵
Exactly! My daughter in law had twins and you could not even tell if she was pregnant or not. My daughter on the other hand looked VERY pregnant each time. Both girls are size 24 or so. It’s interesting to me. But, I’m only about 150 and one out of my 4 I didn’t show much until 6 months. The rest I looked giant by 4 months! Bodies are weird. Have a great day everyone!
To be clear, Dr. Grande's video paraphrased quotes from the victimized doulas who were duped into performing perineal groin massages with two fingers upon a physically grotesque and morally repulsive sexual predator who was born a biological woman, but who was not actually pregnant. (There are some biological women who are predators, too.) "The trauma caused by being exposed to her naked body was severe. Some victims were not certain that recovery would ever be possible." My goodness . . . . My heart breaks for the victims of this crime.
After reading the following comments, in no way do I believe that Dr. Grande was fat shaming overweight members of human society en masse. That would be falsely conflating (i.e., merging of two or more sets of information, texts, ideas, etc. into one) the evidence. Whether they use politics, intellect, or religion, a sense of moral superiority often drives people to virtue signal through the justification of their own core values, belief systems, attitudes, and behaviors. Thus, everybody is entitled to his or her opinions, but not every opinion is equally valid. It is the outcome of one's temporal personal decisions that matter in the long run.
Cold blooooded Grande roasts😂
Horrible😁
@OZZIE303 I don't think you understood the comment.... He's embellishing for comedic value. He's so dry it's hard to pick up on
Yeah, this "joke" was disgusting, Dr. Grande. I hope he isn't a practicing psychotherapist.
@@anitakaul8323 Aw you mad?
Go eat a dozen doughnuts, make it allll better.
This just in: Kaitlyn has accused a prison guard of an assault of a sexual nature.
Not a surprise 😩
@@Ann-sj4ptI think OP was joking, but it wouldn't surprise me either if it were true.
Ewwwwww
It actually makes her very vulnerable to a real sexual assault, as her history makes anything she claims unbelievable.
Can you imagine the cavity search as she was booked into custody?
This makes me so mad. All the people who HAVE suffered assaults, all the people who HAVE lost a pregnancy or had a stillbirth, this makes a mockery of them and makes authorities less likely to believe folks when they report assault.
Just a point of clarification here. In NJ Doulas are certified and covered by insurance. They are a legitimate support provider and not just new age.
Hey, if biological men can play against biological women then any delusion is possible for legitimation.
Wouldn't it be insurance fraud for using these services and not needing them
@@mariec3527 Yes, if someone billed their insurance for them. The psycho in this video got gullible doulas to treat her for free, so no insurance was billed.
Doulas are also certified in Ontario if they choose to do so, and also are covered my insurance companies 🤦🏻♀️ doulas are not regulated in Canada or the US. Certified and regulated are two very different things.
my dtr had a doula along with her midwife...doula was like a helpful friend and stayed the whole day during my dtrs at home delivery.....
Instead of house arrest and probation why wasn't she given mandatory psychiatric hospitalization?
they closed them all
because our justice system makes no sense
Bc Canada is a joke of a country
I think because the Crown Counsel didn’t have that as their sentencing option. The judge was not happy with their choice of sentencing, and he wanted her to have stiffer punishments and for the sentencing to recognize and help mitigate recidivism or future repeat offences. Maybe it was part of the plea agreement or something. The SA charges should never have been dropped for the plea agreement either, but they were. I think a jury would’ve thrown the whole book at her and found her guilty of pretty much every charge, though. And now that she HAS reoffended, perhaps she can be properly sentenced once she is found guilty of these new charges. Because she definitely IS.
This is hilarious how she smiles in all the pictures. She's crazy.
the eyebrows are just as consistent, and every bit as bonkers!
Smiling a bit too wide, too energetically. Joker smile.
Yeah, she kind of reminds me of Buzz's girlfriend from "Home Alone"! :D
This woman was a social worker, people! 👀
Something was Wrong podcast has a season on this case. One very important piece that’s missing here is that she also accused a CHILD that was assigned to her of SA years prior to the doula stuff😡 her mom knew she suffered from this and never spoke up once. Just allowed her to keep the accusations going of countless people (and a kid) and then essentially torture unsuspecting doulas under her own roof. Even being in the next room over at times
@@Cashhhhewwhy is this so common with these psychos .?
I heard another story about a woman who lied about cancer, other traumas Etc
Like this woman but her name was Sarah and she went YEARS lying and frauding people and her family knew she had a history of this behavior and seriously never took a moment to stop her behavior!
What episode was she talked about on ?@@Cashhhhew
@@mariec3527 it’s all of season 18. It’s long but covers everything
@@mariec3527 all of season 18! It’s long and hard to listen to but worth it to get the full scope.
I was recently in Brantford; they have some really good thrifting and antique shops, and also maniacs apparently.
😂😂😂😂😂
This is so disrespectful to so many vulnerable people who are actually in labor or having pregnancy complications and can’t get get proper care.
I think she’s probably crazy rather than disrespectful. She probably should be locked up in an asylum rather than given house arrest. With house arrest she will just be sitting around dreaming of her drama scenarios.
Annnd? Why is that Dr G’s fault?
Agree, it makes me so sad for the doulas. And enraged. Still birth and rape are not things to joke about.
5/7/24 Imo, not knowing person prior with various medical issues. I’d refer her to hospital for care. Too many other complications may arise.
Yess ! She basically wasted these people's time and resources they could of given to REAL pregnant women
What a whacko. Perhaps she should have been forced by the judge to contact that psychotherapist. Sitting at home alone for 2 years isn't going to help her mentally.
I totally agree
i agree!
I swear especially if shes allowed on the internet
That first dula was literally an angel. I hope she goes on to have a positive career.
Remember guys, this channel is not only for weirdos anymore.
But we're still welcome.
Yet here we are.
I don’t get it?
Damn, it took forever, too.
🤠😐🤙🎉🥶
We weirdos helped build this channel.
Her crimes need to be made public so any unsuspecting male avoids dating her at all costs. She's a walking false rape accusation
Or, far more importantly, so Doulas and other care and medical professionals can avoid her. Given that that’s what aligns with her actual criminal history.
She'd probably do a "Species" move and call the guy a day or two later and say she's pregnant.
She’s a lesbian but yes. She also claimed a CHILD SA’d her and said child was under her care as a social worker. She’s extremely dangerous. The podcast Something was Wrong season 18 does a deep dive of her history and it goes wayyyy further back. The doulas were just the first victims to come forward. She did severe damage to the child and nobody believed him until these further crimes came to light.
5/7/24 She may traumatize them if exposed to her nudity 😂
@@erikamccarthy1457who assaulted whom?
Ah you changed up your wording here doc!!! I'm autistic and a ruptured brain aneurysm surviver and I always say the entire intro out loud with you LOL. You caught me off with ths one. You didn't say "move to the timeline of the crime" you switched it up a little 😂
It’s either crime, controversy, or incident every time
Man, I take note of the slight differences in the volume of his voice in the intro and wonder things like "is he slighty further from the mic in this video? Or is he just talking a little quieter.."
It happens. Life
I think she's what they call an Energy Vampire. 😮According to the book, The Sociopath Next Door, a hallmark of sociopaths is that they try to make you feel sorry for them. I'm doing so much better since I learned that.
The Sociopath Next Door is a great book. Highly recommended!
You should probably watch Dr Grande's videos on Psychopathy, Sociopathy is not in the DSM and Factor II Psychopathy is not at all like the popular understanding of the construct.
@@kennethscott4997 - Dude, I don't think we are talking about the same things. Just keep the DSM out of it as no one is diagnosing anyone here, just helping average people deal with stuff.
@@MariAsherahRose Recommending books that spread mis-information is not responsible. A true sociopath is a criminal who has no impulse control and no respect for the laws, rights, and safety of themselves and others. They are so antisocial that they do not make it through childhood without breaking the law, and spend most of their adult lives in prison. Unless you are in education or law enforcement you will probably never meet one in your daily life. It's not a personality style that can fly under the radar.
@@kennethscott4997 I think we are all just talking about "sociopaths" as used in layman's terms, not actual diagnosed medical terms.
This is a form of SA that occurs every day against healthcare workers. Unfortunately no charges are ever brought.
Well that's just weird!
@@It-is-me...Melsie tell me about it
Sounds like a pretend doula service might find a market here. Doula Role Playing.
Wouldn't help. It's the act of deceiving others into falling for their lies that seems to be what appeals to munchies like this one. Acting it out isn't what she's after, it's tricking others into believing her, same with other munchies that fake chronic conditions/cancers etc. Unless they're doing it only for financial gain, most of the time it's the attention, sympathy, and knowing they've successfully convinced people into believing their lies that they get off to. Like some other perverse conditions, if the other person is aware and consenting, it's not going to give them the thrill they're seeking.
Lol there’s always something for everyone
😂😂
That's a fantastic business idea. I'd never heard of anyone doing this but reading the comments, it seems like it's quite common so there would be a market for it 😊
it would be a profitable grift.
I have borderline and so I’ve studied cluster B disorders and as soon as I heard that she was faking multiple pregnancies I was like- yup, she’s a histrionic and it’s manifesting as factitious disorder. Glad dr grande called that at the end because there are no borderline traits discussed here so that part confused me.
I wonder how many women like this are out there? It’s mind boggling how these women create these wild stories and pull them off. Kaitlyn seems like the type who would befriend a pregnant woman then steal her baby.
Way, way, way more then you'd think.
There is a story about the woman who befriended a pregnant woman, killed the expectant woman cut the baby from the womb and brought the child home as her child .
It sounds to me like she isn’t doing this because she wants a baby but because she wants the indulging attention that a doula gives.
@@stst77 Really good supposition. You can get that kind of attention for far cheaper in Bangkok. Or so I've heard.....
@@stst77That's exactly what she was doing. She just wanted sympathy and attention.
"She was never going to be arrested again. On April 30th 2024, Kaitlyn was arrested again." 💀The comedic timing on that one really took me out.
I listened to that part several times, cackling each time 😂
Lmao April 30 was my 30th birthday, not that it matters just thought it was funny 😂
You look so serious in your pfp...
I love that this moment is the “Most Replayed” section lmaooooo
This happened a hop, skip and a jump from where I live. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us Dr. Grande!
My outlook on life is, Don't be weird and usually things workout. Everyone on Dr. Grande's Chanel has a problem with this lol
I mean, I'm pretty weird but I have empathy and I want the best for everyone, so things still work out really well for me.
These folks have something more up with them than just being weird. This is extra special weird.
@@Nylak-Otter They're sociopaths, they don't care about other people, bad combination
It's fine to be weird on the internet (generally speaking) just keep it there and be a normal person IRL
@@codexmachina1358 That sounds like it would make for a very dull existence. I come off far more normal online than I am in practice.
@@Nylak-Otter yeah, that sounds like a dull existence to me.
Sadly she is facing two new charges stemming from the same conduct in April, she is currently in jail. Reoffending within months. House arrest was not the deterrent. 🇨🇦
That's in the video. We know.
I also knew a girl in high-school who lied about having either a miscarriage or cancer every other week for 4 whole years.
I had a good friend who behaved similarly. I was there for 25 years of apparent nonstop lying. He eventually confessed but never apologized and just assumed Id forgive him and we would finally have a genuine relationship. People like this baffle me because life isnt boring at all.
"The trauma from seeing her naked body was severe and many thought that recovery would never be possible." Pure internet gold.
🤣😂😂
I've been a midwife for 13 years and know many doulas. In addition to what you first mentioned, they offer important advocacy and help women decide when to go to the hospital or when to call the midwife. I don't know any doulas who facilitate religious transformation. Doulas' value lie in their continuous presence, help with comfort measures during labor, knowledge of position changes that may facilitate labor progress, and advocacy in the hospital. Some specific skills such as hypnobirthing or hypno babies techniques help by facilitating a trance-like calm through guided meditation and positive affirmations... I may not be describing that exactly correctly but it's close. Other doulas incorporate yoga and breathing prenatally to help during birth, and some specify that they are Christian.
^this^! It's all about protecting the space. Mine sat quietly in the room and didn't touch me at all but the calming presence and knowing I had someone who would skilfully advocate for me as needed made all the difference
Yoga, guided meditation and hypnosis are all forms of new age religious practices.
Doulas are for hippy yoga moms with more money than brains. And anti-vaxxers.
@@stst77 guided meditation and hypnosis could be religious but are not by nature religious. Similarly, yoga is not by nature religious but I think it originated in Hinduism and Buddhism.
@@barbaragremaud3499I’m pretty sure yoga is a spiritual practice but either way, however they help, doulas are great and have so many different methods.
“House arrest.”
WHY?!?! That’s precisely where she commits her crimes!! 🙄
Dr. Grande as a clinician with 25 years of experience I learn so much from you. When you make assertions (one cannot have mdd and BPD at the same time), it allows me to do my research and learn new things. Thank you for educating the masses!!!!
What a sad way to live.
Right? I almost feel bad for her, almost.
@@legitbeans9078 Same!
Flashbacks to my time dating a girl with schizoaffective disorder who was often off her meds. If you love someone with mental illness, bless you. ❤ support groups are fab.
Can I ask what your experience was like? Someone close to me is suffering from the same and I’m not sure how to support my family member who is dealing with it.
@@kitty_765hey i have some insight if it helps. People off their meds and refuse to stay on them without insight are incredibly draining. If your family member is not too attached I would personally advise they back away for their own sanity. I have bipolar
"it was like a two for one fraud deal" 😂 you have the funniest, unexpected jokes ever.
Dr. G, uploading one video everyday...undefeated, undisputed
Love the textbook clinical personality. So raw and uncut. Thanks Doc for your knowledge and compassion. It is all a journey. Love and blessings from Memphis Tennessee 🐈🐾
I heard this case from one of these Doula’s point of view on a podcast. This poor woman was so traumatized. 😢
Was it Something Was Wrong? Or Pretend?
Dr Grande "we are all trauma bound, and I don't ever want to get rid of you"
LMAO!! After the remarks about the "dulas" or what ever they're called, with having to contend with her nakedness, I missed the rest of the vid. because I was laughing so hard for so long lol.
Love you Dr. Grande.
Fascinating, Dr. Grande. I would suppose sadly that loneliness is behind this crime spree.
Wish she would have volunteered with some worthwhile local org then. To me it smacks of someone who is an egomaniac and wants all the attention on them.
@@edvh88 Yes, I agree, but some kinds of loneliness are deeply pathological and become malicious.
It's good she was contained before getting any deeper.
@@edvh88 I immediately thought of narcissism.
Thank you for your content Dr. Grande. I still can't believe we get this for free on UA-cam. You're awesome and very appreciated ❤
There is also death dulas, didn't realize there were others. What a bizarre case again. Great points & title again. Thanks Dr G😊💖💖
We have a patient like this in our long-term care facility. Has been there for close to 40 years.
Moderately mentally disabled with agitation, anxiety, Borderline Personality Disorder with attention-seeking behaviors.
Would accuse other patients or staff of various assaults, despite patients being physically incapable (paralyzed, bed bound) or not present. Accused staff coming to assault her on their day off and not present. Yet she would often randomly assault others when she thought staff were not looking. Made frequent false claims of miscarriages and pregnancies. She would also purposely throw herself on the floor in a public area with many people around. These behaviors continued and increased in severity as she got older. Even being assigned a mental health worker for 1:1 attention did not help improve her behaviors.
Eventually she was prescribed a small once daily dose of an anti-psychotic and an anti-depressant which was successful in calming these behaviors.
Always appreciate your videos
Thank you so much for being so consistent, Dr. Grande! I always know that I can come to your channel on a daily basis to watch a new, interesting video.
I learned all about this chick while listening to Wondery’s “Something Was Wrong” podcast…amazing podcast and amazingly good show, Dr. Grande!❤️🐈🐆🐈⬛💕🙏
Advice to doulas: only take on clients who have referrals by an MD or Nurse Practitioner.
Kaitlin looked like she was in the sixth trimester.
Ouch!
@@tantelila746439 weeks pregnant with twins, I weighed 160 and felt like a whale.
One of my Psychology Major classmates would say " She will finally tell a story that she was hit by the plane in the runway at the Airport after making up too many tragic stories " 😂
Thats a good one 😂
"Kaitlyn committed crimes against doulas" is such a magical sentence. It's going to bounce around my brain all day. It's like poetry.
I’m in Canada, and I have followed this vile, stomach-churning, twisted tale for awhile. And when she was convicted and then reoffended, it wasn’t as surprising as it was frustrating and sickening. One thing: I don’t think that Doulas should be allowed to touch the client. They aren’t doctors with a patient; they are merely clients. Psychiatrists can’t touch their patients here, why should some lower-level, quasi-medical practitioner who has no government or public health oversight be able to?! And especially as far as perineal massage?! Come on! Maybe this case will force the issue and they will either not be allowed to touch the client or they will have to become regulated. That could’ve at least limited some of the horrible trauma she inflicted on those poor women. I think she got off far too easy as far as punishment. Prevention is also necessary in her case and that means being found guilty and paying for every single charge.
Why do these pathological liars always end up saying they have a cancer diagnosis?
Some people want attention so badly that they resort to these antics. It's sad.
You analyze the best cases Dr. Grande!!! I always look forward to your videos!!! Thank you!!! 🙌
I remember feeling violated one time when caring for a borderline woman. I had to catheterize her and after I was finished she said, "Oh honey that felt sooooo good! Yes, it was traumatizing. I still cringe when I think of it.
Perhaps she felt better after being cath'd because she couldn't void on her own. It just came out wrong. I had this happen after an operation and after the catheter was inserted and draining....I felt much better.
@@cassiemontgomery45 Yes, I was a nurse for 35 years and know when someone's sincere. She was flirting cuz she winked and grabbed my hand.
@@Tilly-bd4hc Oh, dear...yes, that's completely unacceptable and inappropriate.
Disturbing. Reading that sent a shiver down my spine. So many different flavours of sickos out there
That’s wild. WHO tf enjoys a catheter 🤢
Very bizarre crime spree. This lady gets no play to such an extent that she tries to make friends by pretending to be r worded
Thank you so much, Dr. Grande!
Due to her nakedness some victims did not feel that recovery from the trauma would ever be possible!! This & the previous episode featuring a sex doll have me laughing my head off-l never thought it likely that l would laugh listening to true crime stories, but your dry humour just cracks me up! Keep 'em coming Dr G!!!
I am wondering if Dr.Grande's wife is aware of the sex doll research? It could be hard to explain.
@@rayross997 Very true, it might be best if he doesn't go there, he would end up.just digging a bigger hole!! 😁
@@rayross997 He may have got caught trying to buy one, then quickly looked to find a case to speculate on as a cover up.
Ol' Toddy looked super discombobulated while trying to explain the duties of a doula.
The Doula coming to her house was very dangerous. That Doula doesn’t know who she’s meeting up with. She should have had a person she knows come with her to Kaitlyn house only after she spent time with Kaitlyn in a public place a few times. Also, staying with her for two days put her at risk if anything happen to the “baby” she could have been held liable. The doula should know when to call it quits and insist on the patient going to the hospital.
EDIT: To the people commenting that you had doulas coming to your house on the first meeting and everything worked out fine I’m glad it worked out for you but that’s still a gamble you took without vetting them first before allowing them to know where you & your partner live. There a lot of crazy people in the world. I work in healthcare and it only takes 1 wrong decision and the rest of your life is changed forever and you can’t take it back.
In this case the Doula meet Kaitlyn on Craigslist!!! Craigslist !!!! The doula is lucky that all she got was her time wasted and it wasn’t a man pretending to be a pregnant woman to lure her to the house.
I didn't even consider that part... it's so true.
I met my doula for the first time at my house, I'm assuming she will have told someone where she was going and what time to expect her back but it would have seemed weird if she had brought someone else with her. I wasn't in labour at the time though, that would be an odd first meeting! This story is wild and beyond most people's comprehension in the league of bizarre things
I first heard about this a couple of months ago and there was a really good interview with one of the doulas who explained so well how this woman pushed boundaries and manipulated them into doing things against their better judgement
@@amberwild-ms4coI also met my doula at my house with one of my pregnancies. Another, at the birth center where I was planning on having my son. However, I don't know any doula who would drive to a new client's house after they said they're in labor?!
@@Rebecca-hc5ju I wish I could find the interview because it was so expertly explained. It all sounds so crazy to us who were not there but she totally manipulated these women and a lot of the questionable choices came after days of sleep deprivation from supporting someone they believed was vulnerable and going through horrendous trauma
My apartment neighbor dated a girl for 3 months before she claimed she was pregnant. He found out she was lying and left her (obviously), and she proceeded to stalk him for the next couple of years. It finally stopped when she met someone else and he we never heard from her again. 🤷
Anytime Dr. Grande says “she surely would not be arrested again”, you know he’s about to disappoint you.
She kinda reminds me of that woman who keeps creating problems and situations so she can get a specific police officers’ attention. I think her name is Hannah and the officer is part of the Crystal Lake PD (Illinois). The way she acts is loco.
Basically she was crazy
sigh…why is it always the pretty ones?
@@Farcehole 🤣
@@Farcehole 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You're wrong for that one lmao
This sounds like a good plot for season 2 of Baby Reindeer
"Crimes against doula's"😊😊😊
Good one Doc!
Man, I thought I was in a bad shape but when I heard that the doulas where traumatized by seeing her naked I felt a tiny bit better
Seriously…you clearly are in bad shape. Since when did victim shaming become cool. 🤦🏻♀️
@@AmySilva-g1r she was never a victim.
It gets worse; supposedly, she duped at least two of them into performing a pelvic massage.
@@MateDrinker33 OMG!!
@@AmySilva-g1r I'm sorry...how exactly is that victim shaming?
My better judgment told me to just ignore your comment as obvious trolling but I couldn't help asking on the .001% chance you were actually trying to be serious.
I mean.. wow.. I'm impressed. In 100 years I don't think I'd ever think up something this crazy. Like if you said this lady is crazy, what do you think it is? I'd die on an island before I said "Messing with people who are trying to make labor and birth easier.. "
Insanity really is fluid and fills every crack.
False pretenses? Are there any true pretenses?
‘They are not sure they will ever get over it’ lol, lol, lol, dr Grande, you are very naughty
This is the wildest story I've ever heard
The pics just get more and more crazy.
"It was a 2 for 1 fraud deal" HAHAHAHAHAA!!! Dr. Grande your dry humour is epic!
Dr. Grande, your sense of humor is unmatchable.
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humour and sarcasm. May 7 is National Cosmopolitan Day, National Roast Leg of Lamb Day, National Beaufort Scale Day, National Barrier Awareness Day, Children's Mental Health Awareness Day, Fair Trade Day, National Tourism Day, and Edgy Killer Bunny Day.
Barrier Awareness?🤔🤔
Acknowledge those guardrails!👍🏻❤
@@jaytee2642 "On May 7th each year, we teachers are charged with breaking down obstacles on National Barrier Awareness Day. We are responsible for dissolving stigmas keeping people with disabilities from advancing in education. "
Thank you for your content Dr. Grande! I can listen to your videos for hours. Could you analyse the case of Asunta Fong Yang?
Wow! We should be very careful out there
Ur punchlines r the best u keep em coming doc ur my favorite doctor keep up the great work
"there is no such thing as a licensed doula" - 😂😂😂 says it all
Dr. Grande having a sense of humor! I love it!
She is just a pathological liar who wants attention. Nothing more nothing less.
Aww the lil cactus candles are lit 🥰
The word WEIRDO comes to mind
Hi Dr. Grande….always interesting material.🌵Thank you and I like your shirt!!😇❤️from Jean
Interesting, 🧐 thank you.
How unfortunate! Doula's have to screen their patients too, not just the other way around! But wow such a social engineer, a hacker, using someone's kindness as their vulnerability. Sick.
Kaitlyn doesn’t need to make up stuff that’s wrong with her. There’s already a lot wrong with her.
I was wondering if the fact that all of the fake pregnancies were a result of sexual assault, could mean she’s reliving some sort of trauma. Maybe not even hers directly, I had a friend whose exgirlfriend’s mother was spiked (nothing happened thankfully) and she would pretty frequently act as if she’d been spiked when we were out, or would leave last and later tell us her drink was spiked. Her mother had never made a big deal of getting spiked, but it had apparently really really upset the ex-girlfriend at the time
I wonder if Kaitlyn wanted the recognition that pregnancy often brings while lacking the social skills for a relationship that results in pregnancy
I think it's sweet that you think in this day and age you think a pregnancy needs a relationship. Don't change.
@@yourfuturewaifu9061 I’m not always sweet but I have more insight than Kaitlyn did. And things do change. I had a hysterectomy 20 years ago
@@yourfuturewaifu9061or perhaps the person is being delicate instead of coming out and saying shes too ugly and crazy to even get 1 night stand. Does that clarify?
A bizarre case to say the least. Thank you Dr. Grande for your analysis.
Dr. Grande, can you look into the on going case of Laura Owens vs Clayton Echard?
I remember hearing about this on TikTok last year. Several of her victims came out about what she was doing to warn other doulas.
This kind of reminds me of people with munchausen syndrome.
That’s the same thing as factitious disorder.
I wonder if she had it.
This is absolutely nuts