Thank you, Trending Globally and Watson Institute, for such calm and rational discussion promoting understanding and peace. This is the voice that should be on our main stream media. As a Chinese American, I am deeply worried that American people and leaders are dangerously underestimating China's determination to unify Taiwan. All the provocations from US can only hasten China's schedule of unification one way or another.
perhaps not underestimating. perhaps merely unconcerned. usa feels impervious to exterior threat, its politicians regard themselves as owners of the world. 'defending' independent taiwan is a low cost/high return operation. ultimately, prc must tell usa 'back-off, or else.' who will blink? but if i lived in a large usa city, it would be wise to move to the outer suburbs, and up-wind.
... I suspect that the seeming powerful American war hawks of the day are precisely counting on that "China's determination to unify Taiwan" - as a pretext for War!
This was an excellent conversation, my only critique is that it glosses over the point about how the leaders of all three parties have been playing to their own domestic constituencies for the last near decade when it comes to fear mongering and saber rattling. It would be too much to expect a comprehensive explanation of the different domestic political factions in Taipei and Beijing and what influences each of them has had on the escalating tensions in a brief overview conversation like this, but that would be a REALLY USEFUL thing for someone to do. Perhaps that could be the subject of a future video series. We too easily reduce foreign nations to single gestalt beings instead of recognizing how they have domestic politics every bit as complex (though hopefully less insane) as our own.
19:25 What advanced weaponary? As much as I respect professor Lyle, I totally disagree with his accessmnet. First, US has always refused to sell its most advanced weapons to Taiwan. For example, F-35. Because US is afraid these systems will fall into Chinese hands. Second, although US weapons used to be generations ahead of China, now many Chinese systems are on par with US. In other words, most US systems are not advanced. Third, the weapons US promised Taiwan are pretty laim, for example, land mines. They are not advanced compared to Chinese arsenal. Finally, this is never part of chinese calculation. I remind my fellow Americans to remember the Korea War. One thing not tuaght in American schools is China had no navy, no air force, few tanks and articllery. Also China had no industrial base to produce the tanks and artillery. Chinese arsenal was generations behind US. But China entered the war. But why? The problem is US completely misread China in 1950. It will do it again because the factors from the Korean War are the same in the US.
Really uncomfortable with how the author seemed to attribute all of this to American diplomatic errors. This analysis seems to implicitly reject the agency of other nations. Chinese belligerence in its territorial disputes preceded Trump and was not, as far as I understand, forced upon them by US foreign policy. Likewise, the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan etc. can probably figure out their own reasons to be worried, and don't need the US government to tell them so. Cautioning the US government against forming a "pacific NATO" neglects the possibility that one might form whether or not the US decides to participate in it.
> , as far as I understand LMAO, guy who only read the empire's media talk points pretends America hasn't surrounded china w/ about 400 military bases. Probably also believes this proxy war to bleed russia is "unprovoked". What's esp revealing is everyone understands every point made here, but has to play dumb.
@@agenthex If Han nationalists are unhappy with China’s traditional sphere of influence asking the Americans to defend them, maybe the Han nationalists should threaten them less.
@@nullptr5129 "asking the Americans to defend them" Sure, just like the Americans defended Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia and the list goes on. Would you say your sort ever have any thoughts not approved by the State Dept?
@@agenthex When the PRC comes to visit, they exterminate your culture. Your language isn’t allowed in schools. Your language isn’t allowed on TV or radio. Your religion is “adapted” to serve the state. They pay Han to move to where you live so you become a minority in your own land. We have seen this over and over again across mainland China proper, in Tibet, in the New Province, and they’ve been slow walking it, but it’s happening in Hong Kong now, too. Everyone who lives in this region sees exactly how this government operates and they are scared of it. Vietnam was invaded by both the US and China within living memory. The US the one they’ve invited back. I’m sure you’re very proud that you were able to read a Wikipedia summary of a Noam Chomsky book that one time, but whatever your personal opinions about the United States might be doesn’t change the fact that China has military designs on *all* of east and Southeast Asia and the people who already live there are volunteering to be the front lines of a war so they don’t have to live under Chinese rule. You actually have no idea what you’re talking about.
The story should start from 1945 and the end of WW2. China has sovereignty over Taiwan. Like owning a house, one need title and possession. China has title. China does not have possession. China is a member of the Allies that defeated Japan and won WW2. China regained all Japanese occupied territory, like Shanghai, Guangzhou and Taiwan. During 1945 to 1949, China had clear title and possession. Taiwan government is a squatter. Instead of eviction, China much prefers government in Taiwan signs a rental agreement, with zero rent! This is a great deal for everyone. US position is US never recognized Taiwan government had title, but US does not like eviction, nor does US like to see a rental agreement. US position is to see the status of Taiwan in limbo.
@@monitoradiation Ah yes, who can forget when Chinese troops liberated Poland in 1944 and landed in Kyoto in 1945 during the battle of None of That Happened.
30 minutes about appeasement of the Beijing government, zero talk about the free and independent people of Taiwan wanting to remain the free and independent people of Taiwan.
This completely ignores the ultra- nationalist, Han-centric views of the main protagonist- Xi Jing Ping-THE man responsible for this tension. Very disappointing attempt at ‘balance’.
The talk softly and worry about encouraging China to attack approach seems extremely dangerous to me. If Xi wants to take Twain and is willing to start a war to get Twain. The USA being soft-spoken and reticent is what Xi wants, it's the closest thing Xi can get to the USA saying they won't stop him. Taking is the best way to avoid conflict but sounding weak is a good way to get treated as weak.
Not that far in yet but this is totally ignoring Xi jinping's ultranationalism and his annexation of the south china sea. I normally watch this channel because of Mark Blyth, so far this is much less impressive.
Thank you, Trending Globally and Watson Institute, for such calm and rational discussion promoting understanding and peace. This is the voice that should be on our main stream media. As a Chinese American, I am deeply worried that American people and leaders are dangerously underestimating China's determination to unify Taiwan. All the provocations from US can only hasten China's schedule of unification one way or another.
perhaps not underestimating. perhaps merely unconcerned. usa feels impervious to exterior threat, its politicians regard themselves as owners of the world. 'defending' independent taiwan is a low cost/high return operation.
ultimately, prc must tell usa 'back-off, or else.'
who will blink?
but if i lived in a large usa city, it would be wise to move to the outer suburbs, and up-wind.
... I suspect that the seeming powerful American war hawks of the day are precisely counting on that "China's determination to unify Taiwan" - as a pretext for War!
Excellent interview, always insightful perspective from Lyle Goldstein.🙏
Obama's 'Pivot to Asia' starts 2011, ie. earlier than 2017 and Trump
Because the US choose to ignore the agreements it made vis a vis China and Taiwan, there simple
This was an excellent conversation, my only critique is that it glosses over the point about how the leaders of all three parties have been playing to their own domestic constituencies for the last near decade when it comes to fear mongering and saber rattling. It would be too much to expect a comprehensive explanation of the different domestic political factions in Taipei and Beijing and what influences each of them has had on the escalating tensions in a brief overview conversation like this, but that would be a REALLY USEFUL thing for someone to do. Perhaps that could be the subject of a future video series.
We too easily reduce foreign nations to single gestalt beings instead of recognizing how they have domestic politics every bit as complex (though hopefully less insane) as our own.
19:25
What advanced weaponary? As much as I respect professor Lyle, I totally disagree with his accessmnet.
First, US has always refused to sell its most advanced weapons to Taiwan. For example, F-35. Because US is afraid these systems will fall into Chinese hands.
Second, although US weapons used to be generations ahead of China, now many Chinese systems are on par with US. In other words, most US systems are not advanced.
Third, the weapons US promised Taiwan are pretty laim, for example, land mines. They are not advanced compared to Chinese arsenal.
Finally, this is never part of chinese calculation. I remind my fellow Americans to remember the Korea War. One thing not tuaght in American schools is China had no navy, no air force, few tanks and articllery. Also China had no industrial base to produce the tanks and artillery. Chinese arsenal was generations behind US. But China entered the war. But why?
The problem is US completely misread China in 1950. It will do it again because the factors from the Korean War are the same in the US.
Really uncomfortable with how the author seemed to attribute all of this to American diplomatic errors. This analysis seems to implicitly reject the agency of other nations. Chinese belligerence in its territorial disputes preceded Trump and was not, as far as I understand, forced upon them by US foreign policy. Likewise, the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan etc. can probably figure out their own reasons to be worried, and don't need the US government to tell them so. Cautioning the US government against forming a "pacific NATO" neglects the possibility that one might form whether or not the US decides to participate in it.
> , as far as I understand
LMAO, guy who only read the empire's media talk points pretends America hasn't surrounded china w/ about 400 military bases. Probably also believes this proxy war to bleed russia is "unprovoked". What's esp revealing is everyone understands every point made here, but has to play dumb.
@@agenthex If Han nationalists are unhappy with China’s traditional sphere of influence asking the Americans to defend them, maybe the Han nationalists should threaten them less.
@@nullptr5129 "asking the Americans to defend them" Sure, just like the Americans defended Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia and the list goes on. Would you say your sort ever have any thoughts not approved by the State Dept?
@@agenthex When the PRC comes to visit, they exterminate your culture. Your language isn’t allowed in schools. Your language isn’t allowed on TV or radio. Your religion is “adapted” to serve the state. They pay Han to move to where you live so you become a minority in your own land. We have seen this over and over again across mainland China proper, in Tibet, in the New Province, and they’ve been slow walking it, but it’s happening in Hong Kong now, too. Everyone who lives in this region sees exactly how this government operates and they are scared of it. Vietnam was invaded by both the US and China within living memory. The US the one they’ve invited back.
I’m sure you’re very proud that you were able to read a Wikipedia summary of a Noam Chomsky book that one time, but whatever your personal opinions about the United States might be doesn’t change the fact that China has military designs on *all* of east and Southeast Asia and the people who already live there are volunteering to be the front lines of a war so they don’t have to live under Chinese rule.
You actually have no idea what you’re talking about.
He sounds like someone who does not understand nuclear deterrent. Nobody want nuclear war
Instill existential fear in 1.4 billion proud nationalists...
...what could possibly go wrong?
Good to hear peacemakers such as this guy. Pity those in us government are such warmongers and trouble makers.
The story should start from 1945 and the end of WW2. China has sovereignty over Taiwan. Like owning a house, one need title and possession. China has title. China does not have possession.
China is a member of the Allies that defeated Japan and won WW2. China regained all Japanese occupied territory, like Shanghai, Guangzhou and Taiwan. During 1945 to 1949, China had clear title and possession.
Taiwan government is a squatter. Instead of eviction, China much prefers government in Taiwan signs a rental agreement, with zero rent! This is a great deal for everyone.
US position is US never recognized Taiwan government had title, but US does not like eviction, nor does US like to see a rental agreement. US position is to see the status of Taiwan in limbo.
What a historically inaccurate understanding who was "China" during WW2.
@@monitoradiation Ah yes, who can forget when Chinese troops liberated Poland in 1944 and landed in Kyoto in 1945 during the battle of None of That Happened.
@@boblee5556 possession is 99 percent of the law. So true. But a landlord can always kick out a tenant, that never paid rent.
30 minutes about appeasement of the Beijing government, zero talk about the free and independent people of Taiwan wanting to remain the free and independent people of Taiwan.
This completely ignores the ultra- nationalist, Han-centric views of the main protagonist- Xi Jing Ping-THE man responsible for this tension. Very disappointing attempt at ‘balance’.
The talk softly and worry about encouraging China to attack approach seems extremely dangerous to me. If Xi wants to take Twain and is willing to start a war to get Twain. The USA being soft-spoken and reticent is what Xi wants, it's the closest thing Xi can get to the USA saying they won't stop him. Taking is the best way to avoid conflict but sounding weak is a good way to get treated as weak.
It's a belligerent US foreign policy that threatens peaceful coexistence.
Not that far in yet but this is totally ignoring Xi jinping's ultranationalism and his annexation of the south china sea. I normally watch this channel because of Mark Blyth, so far this is much less impressive.