The MOST underappreciated map in TF2
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2022
- Borneo is one of the best TF2 maps, yet nobody talks about it so much. I give my take on why it should be appreciated more.
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My Dad has been on Borneo on Business Trips and I he confirms that every TF2 match is just a regular Saturday there
welcome to Indonesia,or maybe malaysia too ig
Brazil? Nah,Thats just an regular Saturday trip :)
@commie Yuan yeah but at the same time i thought it's like a vatican city thing
@German Empire it's only been 21 days
Dublin lol
Honestly, Borneo is one of those maps that doesn’t come up in discussion, because it doesn’t have much divisive opinion around it, but still manages to be a great map. With Upward, you can easily say that it’s a bit of a pain to get to the second point as a BLU Heavy, and that the final point is a bit of a clusterfuck separated from the rest of the map, but with Borneo… It’s just so fun. There’s even some slightly wacky spots to camp on thanks to map geometry, thin support beams and alcoves that let you get the drop on people, and it’s still an excellent map.
Some maps aren’t talked about, but that doesn’t mean they’re outright bad. Borneo is one of TF2’s most friendly all-class maps, and one of the best overall.
I wouldn’t mind a video dissecting Altitude though. Also one of the best A/D maps in recent memory, especially compared to problems like Mossrock.
I love Altitude! One of my favorite new maps to date. Not only does it play great, but it's one of my favorite maps visually.
The reason most maps are talked about is that they have something divisive about them like. However, when you get a map as perfect as Borneo there is nothing to talk about other than it's good (it takes 8 min to tell you everything you need)
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Hmmm idk about borneo...i like the way it looks and the grassy, foresty vibe. I also really like the first and last points (both as attack and defend). But there is something about the middle section that just doesn't do it for me. Something feels a little bit too clusterfucky for me at these sections.
borneo was one of the first maps i've ever played when i came to tf2. it's atmosphere is great and calming and the map plays well personally
I hope mine was borneo too, my first map (i think) was hydro, i had no idea where to go, i just built sentires and stuff
My first tf2 map was 2fort, probably the most common first map
Me too, it is my first map ever I think, the favorite map for each people comes with their good memories from it.
The one thing that holds back Borneo from being my favorite is that it’s spawns are really bad. All of them are incredibly easy to camp and some have almost nonexistent counterplay.
Also Borneo gives you a cold feeling? It gives me that muggy humid gross feeling
Yeah. I remember reading that a good spawn room in TF2 should:
A. Have more than 1 exit,
B. Have said exits laid out in such a way that a single player cannot see all the exit doors from the same position.
A lot of older maps like Dustbowl break these rules, which is partly why their spawn rooms are so easily camped. But a bunch of the Borneo spawnrooms do the same thing, with the same frustrating results.
well, borneo is a rainforest, so it fits the soggy muddy depressing feeling.
This map did the last point 100 times better then Upward and Badwater. There's no overwhelmingly frustrating chokes but also no broken sniper sightlines, and the more I think about it the more I think it's objectively the best balanced payload map.
My favorite map personally is probably cp_Foundry, just because of the atmosphere and design. Plus it's one of the few CP maps that doesn't get flooded with comp wannabes.
im glad there is other people who like foundry out there. I also really love the atmosphere of dust bowl and thundermountain, great looking maps in my opinion, same with pier
my favorite map is koth_brazil because i don't know anymore
Foundry is amazing and its a shame barely anyone plays it (I feel the same with Granary)
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also last on borneo has MUCH better sentry spots than last on badwater
Yea foundry is a great map and also pretty easy to rollout fast on. I personally like metalworks more its just a simple map where knowing the map layout is pretty easy
Coming from Borneo, I like to think the map is part of the interior of Sabah as part of the logging companies in a young Malaysia. It feels so fun to imagine that somewhere in the mountainous interiors of Sabah lies an actual site that looks like the TF2 map.
My favourite thing about this map is that if you play Red Spy and the other team is still trying to push through the first point, you can airdrop yourself off the bridge that the cart passes underneath and 99% of the time you'll get a stab because everyone trying to push past that bridge always has their eyes glued in front of them for the Red Sniper.
Borneo is that one map that's sorta liminal to me. I always see it, and it's familiar to me. But I don't really remember a moment where I might've been there specifically.
I think there's a map looks like it.
I will always fondly remember Borneo because of a glitch that caused the last checkpoint to explode.
I remember doing it causing the whole server to go friendly and dance in a giant line.
Good times...
Finally someone’s understands the weather. It makes it so much better since all the other maps in tf2 are deserts during daylight
This is unrelated but i love that the soldiers face in the intro looks looks like he is either happy or just snorted crack
I love this map so much, the last area is so good it’s inspired my own maps
Back in 2017, when i bought Gmod, i remember i made my first poster of my demoman and heavy, and i actually made it in Borneo, because i really like the map. Its open, it has spaces and you can pretty much use any class.
I actually love Borneo
It was one of my favorite maps from Gun Mettle I think
I know it was with one of the first contract updates.
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Really good video! Borneo is a really good payload map, it’s one of those maps where if I lose I can still feel like it was a good game. I don’t really se many videos on maps like this, so this felt really fresh, keep up the great work as always!
Also my favorite map for attack and defend would probably be Altitude :)
It’s weird because I enjoy Borneo and I get into Borneo a hell of a lot when I play (Aussie and Singapore servers idk if it’s super popular outside of there) but it’s one of those maps I haven’t really thought about too much but after watching this it makes me realise how fun it truly is.
Borneo feels just like an old friend. Someone you can always trust that much that you don't feel the need to talk about it.
I like Borneo because of all the green and forest vibe it has, it stands out a lot when most maps are dry land without life, and the layout is also very fun, full of strategic points, i just wish it was on training mode, im too lazy to add bots on a sv when i just want a chill game
Half of TF2's maps are based on the desert theme, but it does fit, since the game happens in New Mexico in the 60s.
I think it can provide a exilent gaming experience for all classes making it enjoyable for pretty much anyone playing, it can be a little chocky at times but that's about it.
T5 Beggar's Bazooka Jumper/Main here, I like this map, it forces you to learn and use jumps with beggar's that don't see much use also makes you understand every piece of geometry acting like a slope like hills from 1st, the 3rd spawn rollout makes you do a T4 shallow overload sync redirect near the gate to get out into a ramplode which is really AWEsome, same rollout with defence on last and you get to jump freely to 4th point, also many roofs where you can jump onto and get overload jump angles to get sentries easily, the map is really fun and forces you to get creative with how you move or make your next decision with how it's designed to make players go or flow to certain routes which you yourself can learn from and use it against em, thees alotta depth and reads in this map
Even if 3rd point is a bit overlooked and lasts not as long usually after 2nd.
Each class just gets a focused purpose to do and it's just clear what it is.
This video is just fawning over a specific payload map.
Absolutely fucking understandable, i could go on for hours about why thunder mountain is an absolute blast for wacky movement, good video man, keep it up
This was probably the first map i've ever played on. Well... at least the first one that comes to my mind when i think about my humble TF2 beginnings (that haven't even ended). And from a beginner perspective i have to say that it's pretty good to learn how to play most (or maybe even all) classes.
And i'm glad that i discovered it. Everytime i see a server with this map on community server browser, i end up joining said server with this map and regret nothing.
Borneo has a really cozy feeling. Idk why, but it really relaxes me when i'm alone in a area without enemies on borneo
It's a Demoman and soldier (non trimper) main heaven with that chokepoints (with some sections had no other flank route at all), and considerably close range area.
Ah borneo my first map when i got back to tf2, i can somehow smell the beautiful smell of trees, grass oh yeah gunpowder and dead bodies too but anyway such a beautiful atmosphere
You had me at the intro song, time to binge your backlog lol.
Also your editing animation are great.
I got a taunt kill on this map as medic, I will never forget this map.
You're right, Borneo is an underappreciated map, and you just made me appreciate it a little more. Its popular, but its no ones favorite map. But I do love/hate how last can become either a relatively fair fighting point or a thick nest of sentries. My favorite map is pl_thundermountain (the map with the high tower) and obviously it has some downsides but it is just super fun as an airborne class like air strike soldier.
I guess I'm no one
Dude, I remember when it first came out, It was always my favorite map. Deserves all the respect it can get.
I love how....casual, your content feels, at least this video, its genuine and...just a chat kind of vibe. I literally just found you from twitter and will be binging more content from you and look forward to seeing where you go.
keep goin rocket man,
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Borneo is the map I most played in my old tf2 days and when someone brings up tf2 for whatever reason this is the first map that comes to my mind. So yea I think Im from the small portion of the players who actually enjoy and appreciate it.
Borneo was one of the first maps i played when i started tf2. still one of my favorites to this day :D
I love Borneo, that was my first TF2 map in 2015 when I started to play the game. oh and btw nice editing skill Fran, that was amazing.
My main issue with Borneo is that unless you have a team with a somewhat decent amount of organisation or you're able to keep a medic alive long enough to have an Uber (something which feels hard on this map for me personally due to how easily most classes can breach your front lines and go in for an easy pick due to how thinly your team is usually spread), sentries are a nightmare on 1st, 2nd, and especially 4th point.
But that's more so a player issue and is similar to what you said about the map not being 100% beginner friendly. The map is still easily within my top 5 tf2 maps.
Didn't notice too much about the map just as you said, it didn't come to my head in many times, but still for some reason it stands as a good map even though no one remembers talking about it!
Truly, that map has upsides everywhere, and playing scout feels amazing due to 2 flank routes every 10 seconds you run, soldier for the open spaces that take place on 70% of the map, pyro for the bridge's ambushing opportunities and the rooms that hold the damage for him, demo for those inmensely advantageous cabins and the tunnel, which gives him lots of rooms for traps everywhere (demoknight being also helped with the wide space to charge around), heavy has a general placement, being comfortable everywhere, engineer has 3 *perfect* spots for sentry nests, sniper has great sightlines without having to be broken, and spy has lots of mini-hidden rooms where he can decloak without anyone noticing!
Borneo can be a rarely talked map, but a really loved one, and I love to know that
Borneo is tied together with Gorgeous for my favourite maps, because back when I started playing every map was... Dusty, orange-y, as you'd expect from the maps based on _the lore_ specified region, then along came these two with green, life and some concrete to spice it up, Swiftwater too
Lovely to see you upload again Fran, welcome back!
Borneo is like a gourmet dish, until last which is like finding a hair in your food.
At the beginning I disagreed, saying to myself that Cactus Canyon was the most underappreciated map... AND THEN YOU BROUGHT IT UP. It makes me so happy to see people talk about that map, I had so many hours on it when the test map pool was a thing.
I remember watching Mr. Paladin Videos and while I do not remember many of his videos anymore. I still have several clips of his in mind where he played on borneo, getting sick stabs and calling out a cheater
Damn, I keep forgetting how relaxing your videos are and how wholesome you are
My top 3 maps as a heavy main:
1. Mossrock. Dynamic, forgiving, pretty, lots of space and flanks that aren't obnoxiously disconnected. Both BLU and RED are given many chances to turn the tide. Corners everywhere to jump rev from to the ground. Good positions for pocket medics to hunker down while not being completely invulnerable.
2. Egypt. Very unique look, highly variable terrain, good sightlines, and many hiding spots for spies. Again, very fun to hold down areas like bridges and chokes with a minigun, and constantly being on your toes for various attack routes.
3. Steel. The most complicated map in rotation. Every single class is viable, in most situations. The only map where BLU has the option to rush a single point and win right away. Requires strategy and gamesense, making it feel more like chess than FPS.
I actually live in West Borneo, and always ended up playing borneo on payload.
I love Frontier because of the unique payload cart and the map design allows for massive choke points (specifically on the hill first hill and in the building before last) which makes for fun and tense fights.
I totally agree with you on Borneo, playing on this map feels SO great.
And I'm also a cloudy weather enjoyer, nice to meet a person with similar interests
When I started this video I wondered why I never got a lot of games in Borneo and then I realized I didn't have it checked in the quick match selection.
you speak my language! cloudy is a great weather to make a map in and i also love the jungle vibes borneo gives off. oh and bonus points if the map is night time which makes pier one of my favorites (or maybe my favorite) map in tf2. the architecture is so pretty and romantic, like you're wandering around an italian town at seaside
Oh, man, i love Borneo. Its a map where i finnaly changed my pyro gameplay from gibus' "w+m1 straight at enemies" and started to think about flank routes and my own team. It was very hard at the beginning, as any other unknown map, but im happy everytime i have to play round on this map. Btw im queuing for all maps except for dustbowl, but my favorites is Upward, harvest and 2fort (cuz on 2fort i know every corner and it feels like home to me already)
The map where spy mains that are actually good at the game play
Borneo ticks everything in the list of what i want for a map
-tropical setting
-relatively open but also plenty of cover
-somewhat balanced layout for both teams (compared to most maps)
-Also it is either near or in kalimantan (depending on where specifically the map took place at) which means those fights happens about a 2 hour flight away from where i am
-and the island looks like a chicken nugget, most people i know say dinosaurs, but i say chicken nugget
I was wondering how you were so prepared for me at 7:20, forgot shadows can just sink through the walls at times.
Good games, and good take on the map!
For me Borneo has the best first point for defending and pushing
Borneo [Or Kalimantan as the locals call it here in Indonesia] Is basically an entire forest area with houses that dont really have windows or doors. Which basically is what you will find when you go there yourself! As a Indonesian person I never really see any Indonesian easter eggs. And the fact an entire map exists of a island which prob at the time dueing the games events 1960's its quite accurate with the buildings as at the time and now they still use wood as house bases with some of the old houses.
Also I really liked you kinda talked about rollouts for Kalimantan being kinda annoying and being confusing thats basically how it is over here its forests with animals around that god knos what will do.
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Of course I know them, they're me!
Borneo is my go-to Payload Map, followed by Upward and Badwater
My main criticisms of borneo are the first point being such a spammy squeeze and the last point suffering from problems similar to upward’s last. Other than that, I love it - lots of interesting geometry and room to play.
This entire video is how I feel about snowycoast my personal favourite payload map
Definitely a joy to play each time, even the final point is fun from all the flank routes, gives you a way to attack no matter how well defended or offensive the other team is.
Holy moly do I love Borneo, it is one of my favorite payload maps because like you said, there are many routes and places to go! If I had to be stuck on a map for 2 hours it would have to be Borneo
I remember playing this map on casual and you joined in the middle of it
Mine is altitude, when it came out i legit hyperfixated on it so hard. I think its the aesthetic combined with how easily i can play every class on it (im normally a pyro main), also that it came out while i was a player so i got to experience people finding the best way to play it in real time which was very exciting
i found out borneo pretty cool like yesterday, when it queue'd up and as you said "yolo" it and play, it's quite large and im not a big fan as a begginer demo main who cannot land a pill, but i still had a great fun.
My fav map is suprisingly cp_egypt, i've had a ton of fun, especially as my first main pyro, and my 2nd now main demo, it's a great bright map, with sunny summertime vibes, and i just love it
I completely forgot cactus canyon even existed that map was so fun pre meet your match days
As a spy and sniper main, Borneo is just plain fun. Listen, if you've played those classes once, you've played them 1000 times. But not in Borneo. It feels like every time I play, I find a new sightline, a new decloak spot, really lets my creativity run wild.
I like it all besides the choke point entrances of last
God Cactus Canyon brought back so many memories from when I first started playing TF2, I always had random images/memories of the map in my head but never remembered the name or why it got removed! I remember that was when I first started to play and enjoy both soldier and medic.
Sad to see it never got to make it into the game 😔
Something about that map and Upward just bring back so many childhood memories of this game and life back then. It’s so hard to believe that was almost ten years ago man.
Idk why but your chuckle at the newcomer felt great to hear. Your content makes me feel warm like I just drank a warm cup of hot chocolate. Thank you for the video.
Borneo for me has a funny story, at first i hated it design wise and how big it was, especially during the botpocalypse where you couln't leave the spawn to reach the bots, but after a while it grew on me, i started playing spy and pyro here and enjoying it, the idea of multiple paths is great, and i agree with you we need more snowy/rainy maps i like those too.
I like how you cover this map and i want to see your take on pier since that map was on community server for a looooong time.
I actually saw raw on a Borneo map and he was dominating everyone with the big earner and dead ringer
Man I miss this map! Getting to actually play it again almost never happens
3:00 Honorary mention to Pier!
This and Badwater are the maps I can actually feel secure enough to be able to play Engineer and not care at all if my team don't have my back or if there's 4 other Engineers on the team.
People often complain how some class have broken options, or how other classes have this and that, but NOBODY considers map making as an extremelly important balancing feature that HAS to be considered in the time of creating maps to let the game be played in the way it was intended: A team first person shooter.
On some maps, you will see Soldiers dominating places with a lot of exploitables rocket jumping spots that give him a giganormous advantage in mobility over other classes, Snipers dominating maps with INCREDIBLY unfair sightlines, Demomans dominating on really tight and choky maps, Engineers / Heavies dominating on maps with a single way to advance towards the objective, you get the idea.
This isn't the case with Borneo and Badwater, I've never seen an specific player be the one dominating the game, it always revolves around whose team is more organized and cooperates the most, rather than leaving the job to the Black Box + Kritzkrieg-up-his-ass-Soldier combo.
I love every payload map, since it's my favourite gamemode, but Borneo and Badwater ALWAYS manage to give me the best experiences.
Also, I'm a bit biased towards payload itself as a gamemode in every possible way, since I personally think it's THE actual way to get the "Team Fortress 2 experience", because I love the encouraging of all classes in gameplay rather than Numb Metas or Generalists (Reason why I prefer HighL over Sixes), but that's a discussion for another day.
Borneo as a map is pretty nice, it's got good spots to put buildings, good sightlines and lots of places to mess the other team up Red or Blu, solid 9 out of 10 map imo. My favorite map personally is Barnblitz because of the way the it looks but Borneo is a good second.
Borneo is my favorite map. I’m a 300 hour demo main and I keep coming back to it pretty regularly. Been playing the game itself for about 1.3k hours.
borneo is Heyo's culmination of mapping experience throughout the years. also, did you know that borneo started out as a cp a/d map? after some feedback he decided to change it to payload because it flowed better
this was a great outlook, loved the vid
I've always thought of Borneo as pretty meh but you make some solid points, maybe I'll think twice before trying to requeue out of Borneo. Good video!! ❤
i fucking love playing on that map. I thought its name was swift water since i never paid attention to its name when we were switching maps in casual. still love to play it
Borneo is actually probably my favorite map, fun gameplay and pretty cool atmosphere.
Borneo is the map I play when I'm bored of the maps. I can't rocket jump to save my life and a map where I can play a push cart soldier is sometimes very awarding for me.
as engineer main my favorite map is pl_thundermountain blu side, has a chance to sneak a teleporter and put a lv3 sentry in front of red spawn at the first 2 stages, and putting a sentry on top of the map at the last stage is always fun to me.
im surprised not a lot of people tries those spots nowadays
Borneo is a good map. It had those many paths to go through. It doesn't feel to have many choke points.
Maybe between second to last point and on third point where all paths(even side paths) converge to one spot - tunnel. And yeah, you could try to go to the left but there's usually always an Engie nest.
Still! I love the openess and the amount of space I have to roam around it.
As for aesthetics - I enjoy the amount of nature it has. The green trees and grass, and red/brown buildings. It is a nice fresh feel? to the map. It isn't so industrialised and barren looking like most other maps. Pier is probably another example of feeling fresh. It has vases, a river. Overall, it looks pleasing.
This is why I like Overgrown Upward. It's upward but with lots of trees and not just yellow gravel factory ground all around (although I don't mind it. I like it).
You know what else we barely hesr about? KotH Brazil! I wonder of people ever played it.
gotta say I feel ya when you went on the topic of balances. imo the best maps are the ones that make you want to branch out from your main and allow you to try out the other classes and loadouts and see what you can do. that's why maps like Turbine and Junction fail so hard, because you either go sniper or demo respectively because what the Hell else can you do on them?
personally, my favorite map is Swiftwater. I know everyone complains that it's long as Hell, but honestly that's one of the best selling points to me. it just has more flow compared to the 3 stage payload maps, which can feel like hell for an engie main like me, having to set up 3 times separately and prepping for what's to come. Swiftwater eliminates that and has the 3 stage feel to it without any lull in action. plus I think it's one of, if not the most balanced map in the game right now. huge skyboxes for explosive jumpers, flank routes for scouts, spies, and pyros, sniper sightlines that aren't too op, and well defined building spots alongside more unconventional ones to try out for shits.
Great Vid!
I personally made an edited version of this map on the workshop. Where there is No indivisible walls and made buildings with fake doors possible to enter
It's a pretty nice map and dares to introduce some verticality(! in a payload map! can you believe it!), but its sentry spots are nasty, its sniper spots are annoyingly safe and it's all about those tough to crack holds. Still, it's a miracle even spy manages to be fun on what's essentially dustbowl with more pathways
It's not the peak of the payload gamemode and there's a lot more maps that need more love. Borneo is just mid and just alright.
Good vid
I like all the flank rutes, as a spy you dont need to brute force throught all the enemy team
That intro was amazing when are you gonna drop an album
im new to this channel its kinda cool keep doing what your doing my man!
It's weird that no one talks about the visual design of the maps. You mentioned the cloudy weather, but there's more to it. Like, look, how many jungle maps we have in the game? (Mercenary Park doesn't count, it's a Yeti Park that's just surrounded by jungle) (Banana Bay also doesn't count, it's a Bay) 5? Cool, now how many of them are this popular? 2? Cool, and how many of them are this good? That's right - the one and only - Borneo.
Tbh one of my favroite maps. But, my most favroite maps have to be Swiftwater( for gameplay) Borneo( also for gameplay) and Kong King (it makes a great background for SFM posters)
Borneo is one of my favorite maps too, probably the best of payload for sure. It doesn't have any major annoying sentry spots, there's no invincible sniper sightlines, spy is actually allowed to play the game, and there's a good mix of open and closed areas for the other classes instead of a series of narrow hallways like a lot of older maps *cough Dustbowl cough*.
koth_Highpass and cp_Foundry are also some pretty underrated maps
Borno is a pyro infestation in the map but I do love the map it's great for me when I flick and quick scope as sniper
1:35 I am that player who shares the love.
Borneo is a great map imo. But I just love Swiftwater. The high sky, open areas and closed ones are just perfect for me.
My favorite map is ThunderMountain. Though not the normal one, the Mannpower one, there's a difference :P There's just so much space to rocket jump, sticky jump, and because it's Mannpower, also grappling is really fun in that map.
My favorite map in the entire game in Banana Bay. Its perfect.
Train saw laser. Got train, got saw, got laser
Enclosure is the best payload map for me. Love the jurrasic Park references and generally plays well.
Also respect to you fellow Cuban bristle crisis enjoyer
I loved Borneo ever since it came out. Such a good, fun, artistically unique map.