Another quality video Gaffer! Now my go to creator for F16 stuff. Keep the awesome content coming. Run and break speed/height where I work is 350-400kts @1000ft QFE or 500ft QFE for a low break! Just goes to show how much variety there is by looking at the other comments!
Good overhead pattern. PS 350kts initial to break is/was the US Air Force standard. I think I remember 220kts downwind to base for F15’s and F16’s depending on loadout weight at landing. Thanks from a prior USAF Tower ATCer.
I was curious at what point you were trimming to get your AOA of 11. I was applying your technique from your previous landing video to this circle to land style and found the only time available to this was after gear-down on the downwind. Is that when you are doing it or are you doing it on short final? Thank you.
You can trim on the downwind-base-final turn if you want. Remember below 10 AOA trim is commanding G. When you roll level on final you’ll have to bump the trim nose down if you do this. To keep it simple you might just leave the trim alone until you roll out on final. Get the airplane to 10 AOA with the stick and then bump it nose up once or twice so it will maintain 11 hands off down final.
@@FLYGaffer I may have misunderstood your trim video then. In that video you mentioned that when the gear is down you are no longer commanding G but pitch rate. So I thought it would be a good time to get into that attitude but yeah, maybe I should wait for final because that’s probably not the most efficient turn with my AOA so high. I’ll try to do that on final instead. Thanks!
You are correct, in my previous video and per the documentation I have, it is pitch rate and not G when the gear is down. At least until 10 AOA. I might play with the trim some more and get back to ya
No rudder until the wheels are on the ground. Then use rudder for directional control. The F-16’s FLCS will move the rudder to dampen any adverse yaw created by your roll inputs. If you check the F2 view you can see the rudder working on its own. This latest flight model has weakened that a bit at low speeds.
Pushing the stick forward (on any aircraft) after landing is a bad idea. It will cause nose wheel shimmy, wheelbarrowing, or worse - flip the aircraft, especially on a tail dragger. Keeping the stick back keeps weight on the main gear.
pretty bad execution. There's a reason the book says initial speed is 300. Your lateral position to the runway on downwind is way too far off. You didn't maintain 3G throughout the turn, you rolled out on a heading of 100 instead of 90. The overspeed, not maintaining G-target and too early rollout all contributed to your lateral position being off way too far. You start the initial turn with overspeed, then you start the base turn way too slow. Your speed at the start of the base turn should be 230. The last part just before touchdown looks okay, until you flare way too early and you pull back your throttle way too late. You touched down with 1/3 of the runway already passed, too late, especially if the runway is a little shorter. You should touch down at the beginning of the runway. If you do an instructional video, do one as they're supposed to be.
Agreed with above, I would reshoot this video. 300KTS is done on the overhead because the throttle is supposed to be pulled to 80 not idle, as the spooling time from idle is too long if you need to add power. If you follow the book it works every time with pretty clean landings with light loadouts (more than this). That being said one thing that could be helpful is to show small tips when landing with different unconventional loadouts - eg very heavy 8000-10000 lbs of gas, asymmetric stores or heavy crosswinds
Good thing it's only a game then. Could you imagine being grounded by the UA-cam AF board of enquiry because your flight sim video wasn't up to the expected standard? 😨 No F-16's were damaged in the making of this tutorial. (probably)
Warning... the following overhead break is not done to NATOPS standards and viewer discretion is advised :) Enjoy this video of a blue angel pilot blacking out his passenger pulling 7.2G's in the overhead break. ua-cam.com/video/tFDcA4IKQY4/v-deo.html
Touchdown between the captain's bars is fine. Flaring as you pass over the beginning of the runway is fine. Having an eff'd approach but managing to correct and safely nail the landing is a desired skill to have...
you can be really sarcastic about my comment. I couldn't care less if people execute an overhead break flawlessly or with mach >1 for their own enjoyment and it's fine if people post videos about that. However, if you create an instructional video to teach other people how to do an overhead break, then I believe it should be correct and according to the standard set. I understand small deviations to the the flown parameters not being 100% perfect, nobody is perfect, but the deviations on the video are too big for it to be flown according to the correct standard. If you yourself can't fly the parameters according to the correct standard, then don't do an instructional video and keep practising until you do. It's fine if you post videos about that in the mean time, just don't pretend those are of an instructional nature.
What a pro. Saving this for later when the F14 has stopped bullying me into submission.
Another quality video Gaffer! Now my go to creator for F16 stuff. Keep the awesome content coming.
Run and break speed/height where I work is 350-400kts @1000ft QFE or 500ft QFE for a low break! Just goes to show how much variety there is by looking at the other comments!
Good overhead pattern. PS 350kts initial to break is/was the US Air Force standard. I think I remember 220kts downwind to base for F15’s and F16’s depending on loadout weight at landing. Thanks from a prior USAF Tower ATCer.
Thanks Gaffer i was going to start training on this today. Great timing
Navy cuts power b4 the break, af does it on downwind, still came up pretty slick my man !! Love these quick little tutorials
dam what a simple and great tutorial
The book says 300 knots because there could be an airspace over your airfield which dicates a maximum of 300kts. (Very common in EU)
I thought you weren't supposed to cut to idle on the break to downwind. Isn't that a hornet break?
I was curious at what point you were trimming to get your AOA of 11. I was applying your technique from your previous landing video to this circle to land style and found the only time available to this was after gear-down on the downwind. Is that when you are doing it or are you doing it on short final? Thank you.
You can trim on the downwind-base-final turn if you want. Remember below 10 AOA trim is commanding G. When you roll level on final you’ll have to bump the trim nose down if you do this.
To keep it simple you might just leave the trim alone until you roll out on final. Get the airplane to 10 AOA with the stick and then bump it nose up once or twice so it will maintain 11 hands off down final.
@@FLYGaffer I may have misunderstood your trim video then. In that video you mentioned that when the gear is down you are no longer commanding G but pitch rate. So I thought it would be a good time to get into that attitude but yeah, maybe I should wait for final because that’s probably not the most efficient turn with my AOA so high. I’ll try to do that on final instead. Thanks!
You are correct, in my previous video and per the documentation I have, it is pitch rate and not G when the gear is down. At least until 10 AOA.
I might play with the trim some more and get back to ya
Gaffer, do you use rudder during your turns to make them so smooth?
No rudder until the wheels are on the ground. Then use rudder for directional control.
The F-16’s FLCS will move the rudder to dampen any adverse yaw created by your roll inputs. If you check the F2 view you can see the rudder working on its own. This latest flight model has weakened that a bit at low speeds.
@@FLYGaffer Thanks
Don't you want to put the stick full forward while breaking after nose comes down?
Not at all
Pushing the stick forward (on any aircraft) after landing is a bad idea. It will cause nose wheel shimmy, wheelbarrowing, or worse - flip the aircraft, especially on a tail dragger. Keeping the stick back keeps weight on the main gear.
pretty bad execution. There's a reason the book says initial speed is 300. Your lateral position to the runway on downwind is way too far off. You didn't maintain 3G throughout the turn, you rolled out on a heading of 100 instead of 90. The overspeed, not maintaining G-target and too early rollout all contributed to your lateral position being off way too far. You start the initial turn with overspeed, then you start the base turn way too slow. Your speed at the start of the base turn should be 230. The last part just before touchdown looks okay, until you flare way too early and you pull back your throttle way too late. You touched down with 1/3 of the runway already passed, too late, especially if the runway is a little shorter. You should touch down at the beginning of the runway. If you do an instructional video, do one as they're supposed to be.
Agreed with above, I would reshoot this video. 300KTS is done on the overhead because the throttle is supposed to be pulled to 80 not idle, as the spooling time from idle is too long if you need to add power. If you follow the book it works every time with pretty clean landings with light loadouts (more than this). That being said one thing that could be helpful is to show small tips when landing with different unconventional loadouts - eg very heavy 8000-10000 lbs of gas, asymmetric stores or heavy crosswinds
Good thing it's only a game then. Could you imagine being grounded by the UA-cam AF board of enquiry because your flight sim video wasn't up to the expected standard? 😨
No F-16's were damaged in the making of this tutorial. (probably)
Warning... the following overhead break is not done to NATOPS standards and viewer discretion is advised :) Enjoy this video of a blue angel pilot blacking out his passenger pulling 7.2G's in the overhead break. ua-cam.com/video/tFDcA4IKQY4/v-deo.html
Touchdown between the captain's bars is fine. Flaring as you pass over the beginning of the runway is fine. Having an eff'd approach but managing to correct and safely nail the landing is a desired skill to have...
you can be really sarcastic about my comment. I couldn't care less if people execute an overhead break flawlessly or with mach >1 for their own enjoyment and it's fine if people post videos about that.
However, if you create an instructional video to teach other people how to do an overhead break, then I believe it should be correct and according to the standard set. I understand small deviations to the the flown parameters not being 100% perfect, nobody is perfect, but the deviations on the video are too big for it to be flown according to the correct standard. If you yourself can't fly the parameters according to the correct standard, then don't do an instructional video and keep practising until you do. It's fine if you post videos about that in the mean time, just don't pretend those are of an instructional nature.
Everyone thinks 1500 when it literally aays 1600ft agl. Good entertainment for sure. Definitely not a "by the book" landing.