Jai Gurudev, thanks for this respectful and informative exchange. Am happy to see devotees of different traditions coming together focusing on what unifies us instead of what separates us.🙏 Hope people get inspired by it, to keep “Love for God” as priority. Hare Krishna
@@dpcracker4505 You're full of drap, man. You know that whole institution is all (and **only**) about bringing souls to your guru. It's not about Krishna. It's about your guru, on whose feet you place Tulasi leaves. Conclusion, again: you are full of crap, man. Leave this guy asap if you want to save your spiritual life.
@@Americankrishna Cyril Wohrer, after reading your comment, I can’t help but wonder about your motives. Even after ISKCON, you continue to slander others. You boast about your Oxford affiliation and 30 years of chanting in your UA-cam description-who are you trying to impress? Do you actually introduce yourself like this to others in person? Hello, my name is Cyril Wohrer and I am chanting the holy name since 30 years. :) You claim to serve humanity, yet you focus more on criticizing clothing than on discussing God. Just the last days, you posted 11 times about ISKCON’s clothing choices. If you had the same passion for Krishna as you do for criticizing others, you'd likely be enlightened by now. Your UA-cam videos barely get views, indicating that people aren't interested in your content. You hardly reach 500 views. If you truly want to serve humanity, speak positively, respect other devotees, and focus on Krishna, not on others’ faults. Do you think Krishna is pleased with constant criticism? Be more humble and focus your japa on Krishna, not on nitpicking others. Doing Japa on Jeans, Jeans, Jeans, aparad, aparad will not bring you closer to God or help others to reach God.
Only a fool like Namarasa would give respect to fake avatars like your Guru. Zero sampradaya or tradition and a guru who r@pes his male disciples. Everything was exposed in a german video
Your guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth. Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
@@jorgearias3977 Vishwavanda is a gay guy who sexually abused several of his male followers, lied about his past, does not belong to any sampradaya, and dresses as a rich Indian lady.
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 And his guru was accused by several of his male followers of sexual abuse. He lied about his past, does not belong to any sampradaya, and dresses and behaves like a rich Indian lady. These guys shoud wake up, reject this kali chela, and look for a real sadhu
....oh and Thank You for addressing the Mirabai "controversy". Her temple/home was one of the temples I prayed at every day when I was in Vrindavan. I have so much respect for her devotion to Krsna. It has always been an inspiration to read her poems and hear about all that she sacrificed for her love of Krsna. She may not have practiced the way we practice but she still attained Prema.
Such an insightful and respectful exchange of ideas. These conversations are so important. Hopefully we can educate ourselves in listening more and talking less. Blessed are those who can see God in everything and everyone.
This has been the most informative and insightful conversation about the similarities between ISKON and Bhakti Marga. I was moved by the authenticity of both sides (and there appear to be little differences). Thank you so much from someone who is drawn to all the podcasts and UA-cam videos with the Swami's from Bhakti Marga and Guru Paramahamsa Vishwananda. Until now I've been rather confused about the different teachings related to your God. You bring such clarity and even more intrigue. I continue to be inspired. Thank you and Bless you 🙏
ishwananda & the consequences of controlling others to believe he is GOD. Bhakti Marga, the ‘Just Love’ cult that has no clue what love is. Love is feeling in the heart. But it is also a deep respect for others and a wish not to hurt them. This is absent in Vishwananda. Here is the proof. Just like a good spiritual narcissist, a normal homosexual guru man managed to manipulate the energies/emotions and convince his followers that he was an avatar of God, Vishnu. Because of their love and devotion, they did everything he said and gave all their energy, creativity, power, lifeforce away to him, thereby losing their lives and their empowerment - maybe never even knowing it had happened. Would you consider that a spiritual crime? Vishwananda is a homosexual self-proclaimed guru that has been accused of coercing young men into sex against their full will, whether they were homosexual or not, ever since 2008. He is able to coerce young men because they believe he is God. For a long time, Miles Witt, a heterosexual man, spoke out into the internet alone, not really being heard. Eventually, I came along and interviewed him and another man, and it was published online. We know there are many more who do not come forward because they are afraid. We have spoken to them. Many people are always afraid. And that is why they never come forward. That is why only a few of us speak. - Maltimanjari Dasi approached me on behalf of her guru at the Jiva Institute in Vrindavan to find out if the allegations were true, and she tells me that she then obtained some of her own private testimonials through her own research. She was focused on doing this to serve her guru rather than for the purposes of telling the world. This is what she wrote to me when I wanted to show her more private recordings: “Dear …, my guru is already convinced of the evidence I am constantly sending him… I am also in contact with a family from Switzerland who wants to leave. They are very much afraid of the karmic reactions and the anger of the Swami, which they also personally experienced… I have already sent him the recording that I made myself and he heard the others. I don’t really think he needs more evidence since the matter is clear to me.” If a mainstream journalist publishes this information, more people will likely come forward. Vishwananda has publically lied about having sex with men when asked. We know he is a normal person because we have heard personal accounts as to how he behaves privately, especially in the early days. We heard that he has sexual urges and behaviors similar to any person that likes to watch strippers, for example. Here is another testimonial from a French man (that is not Matthieu - it is a different man) who does not wish to show his name, but we have heard his recording, and we have it. It is translated from French (not my translation): I massaged the whole body. He quickly proposed to be naked while I massage and he also promptly asked me to massage around sex. Not necessarily on sex but around sex. And then there were several given moments when there were nonverbal pressures; Once again I did not have the eyes to see at that time, and too much naiveté … Nonverbal pressures, touching, with … Before we go any further, that was where, in place that you have massaged and that he was naked? It was at the ashram (Springen). The first times it was on a place of pilgrimage. The ashram, it was in his bungalow is that? Yes, in his bungalow, and it was at night, between 1am and 3am - 4am. He said people did not go to bed before. It was night, most of the time. Interviewer: And how did you react when he asked you if he could be naked? For me it was shocking. But in fact I trusted him. I had total confidence in him. So I had no doubt that it was going to be fine; Is it in connection with what is called the “surrender” abandonment, letting go, trust in the Master? Interviewer: Did these teachings influence you? It influenced me, yes. And his physical state, when he was naked, were there any particular expressions of his body? Yes, he was erect sometimes. Yes. Reactions, obviously … He was erect, yes. He asked me to massage his belly, to massage around sex. He asked me once at the end, the last time I massaged him … In fact he was even very explicit, very clear in his expressions. He took my hand to put it on his cock, on his testicles. There I could not doubt anymore. And I was very shocked indeed, especially since I had already expressed to him that I had no attraction for men. And there was even one time I had said that. He even told me that anyway he would never have asked me to massage him if I had been homosexual … here… Interviewer: And you what did you feel? Did you feel a healing power or spiritual work that was taking place on you during these practices? I felt a lot of trouble. I needed explanations. I did not dare to ask because I did not feel his permission, I did not allow myself to do it. I was waiting somewhere for explanations, to explain to me how it worked in the unmanifest, the invisible, or what was happening at the karmic level. There was no explanation. I really would have liked to be explained but here it is. I came to understand that it was bluffing. In any case, there was a graduation that made me mistrust little by little until I had no doubt about the fact that I was being manipulated. …He claims to be a swami, a renouncer; Normally renunciates, that … gives up … to sexuality, to food (specific diet without onions, garlic, or others). Often it is justified by the fact that he is the incarnation of God on Earth, that he is beyond all things, that he is his Leela, his Maya, and that he does what he wants. We can not understand … Have you ever heard such explanations, lessons? The second time I massaged it, I think; And he told me … he was very clear .. he said to me, “I am above everything.” He was very clear. There I was very shocked by the way. I was certainly outraged by this “low-end immunity”, and at the same time there was this fascination that was still there and I did not have the lucidity to leave… …It’s interesting to see that on the one hand, he is above all, that he is God, and therefore he is omnipotent, and on the other hand one often hears from Bhakti Marga that he needs to this, of sexuality with men. That otherwise “he would disembody.” We have also spoken of “sexual karma”: that it “would burn supposedly sexual karma.” But we can ask ourselves questions: Why only men, and not women? And darshan, that would not be enough (to burn sexual karma)? And if he is God, does he need these practices? Why not just a blessing? These are questions that are interesting to ask. Because on their side, at BM, they try to justify these actions. At first, they try to hide them, and when it becomes too obvious to some people, they try to justify them; And the justifications that are reported are troubling to a rational and reasonable person. The fact that some people are (potential or suspected) victims of sexual assault, some of whom may be potentially minors (under 18), can not be justified by the fact that, in my opinion, either Krishna or an incarnation of Krishna or God on Earth, and does not put him beyond the justice of men and of earthly justice. And why would this be hidden? He claims to be a Swami …” “On the one hand, he asks a lot of things to people: to give him their soul, to give him their money: to contribute even … physically … But on the other hand him who he really is, and what he does. That’s what’s shocking and shocking from my point of view. There are families who are divorcing, separating. There are people selling their homes to become renunciants. “ - Myself, once when I was at Bhakti Marga, I heard a Swamini from France (Swamini Godavari) saying to a person who was in retreat; “listen, now you are a renunciant. If I ask you to give me your house and put all your belongings on the table, you will have to do it,” and the person said “oh yes? And how would I live?” She replied, “you would do like birds; you would live on faith, and in faith that God cares for you.” And on the other side, we ask for a lot of financial investment from people. Vishwananda has a fairly luxurious lifestyle: helicopter trip; he is offered very nice cars … And he asks retired people, or fragile psychologically… to squander their inheritance or their savings, leaving aside their children, their training, etc. . People whose children felt helpless made suicide attempts. I think of Roshnee’s daughter, who has a suicide attempt. And when Roshnee told VS, he laughed and said to his daughter, “oh … but why did you do that?” It’s troubling. But on the spot, we are taught not to judge … everything is a Leela… When one becomes devout, ie the first degree of commitment, devotion, or brahmachari, he asks us for a percentage … 10%. 10% of his income. People are signing a contract now, those who are initiated brahmachari or devotees: It has changed. There is a contract today, that you sign. And you give your RIB (Bank Statement of Identity). In this contract, you commit to giving 10% of your income and you make transfers.
Jai Gurudev! Thanks a lot for this amazing conversation! Such a joy to feel this deep respect of the brothers - vaishnavas and such a gratitude to Swami ji for highlighting some really important things. 🙏🙏Pranam!
Respectful and friendly conversation. Entertaing too! I learnt so much even about my organization Bhakti Marga. Funny that in Africa African Hindus are often assumed to be Iskonites...
Amazing Video! I am happy to see that both of side is respect and they just see The unity! I Love this video! And You are really be example for every religion ! 🙏 Thank You 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
Sri Swami Vishwananda successfully challenged false allegations by Hessischer Rundfunk. The court ruled in his favor, and even Der Spiegel acknowledged the mistakes. There is no rules to form a Sampradaya: the goal of a Sampradaya is to awake love and service to Lord Krishna, what seems Vishwananda is doing better than any other Guru in the world... he is very difficult to understand, that is why is a Paramahamsa
@@KrsnaBhagavan No rules to form a sampradaya? There are only 4 bonafide Vaishnava Sampradayas: Brahma, Rudra, Lakshmi and Kumara, each one properly represented in this age of kali. No human being can create a sampradaya. And it is not true that this fake guru was able to challenge the sexual abuse allegations. Yes, he is a rich gay guy able to pay the best lawyers in the world. Wake up people, and get shelter from a real sadhu, not from a cheater who dresses as a woman and is just a lusty human being
@@julio801-jambavandas2your last phrase shows your real personality. You need therapy and look inside yourself instead of pointing fingers. I pray that you may know the real love of god without judgment and prejudice. Jai Gurudev
@@dahfiyah79 Do not kill the messanger. You are the one who needs therapy if you think that is ok to follow and worship an agent of kali, someone who sexually abused his own male "disciples". It is not a sin to call a thief a thief. I also pray for you to realize the true nature of Vishwavanda. Sooner or later the whole world will know it, same thing that happened with Sai Baba and other demons (see the BBC documentary). Wake up!
Hare Krishna Another wonderful podcast, so nice to see such respectful exchanges of thoughts and idea as to how to make people more God Conscious. As always thank you for sharing
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
I've heard these claims before, but according to the Süddeutsche Zeitung article "Ein Guru vor Gericht," Sri Swami Vishwananda successfully challenged false allegations made by Hessischer Rundfunk, media ruled by evangelical church. The court ruled in his favor, finding the accusations to be baseless. Even major media outlets like Der Spiegel recognized the mistakes in the original reporting of HR. About Sampradaya's thing... Vishwananda's message is simple: "just love God." He's inspired countless people to deepen their devotion to Lord Krishna. What is a Sampradaya if not a system to provide to people a loving-servitude relationship to Lord Narayana? Many have experienced remarkable events around him, suggesting he might be more than just a regular human being.
@@KrsnaBhagavan These experiences does not mean anything, people have amazing experiences with shamans, and some mystics, nothing to do with a real spiritual experience. The allegations are many, investigate a little more.
R@pe survivor of Viswananda shares his story here: ua-cam.com/video/hpfGurN6aCU/v-deo.html There was a Germany documentary called -the crimes of vishwananda of bhakti-marga documentary which was here on youtube, but their followers managed to remove it from youtube to protect their false prophet who loves to ** his male disciples
Your guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth. Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
I don't think he is offensive; I think he is just being himself. I've never heard of him putting Shaligrams in his mouth. In the contrary, I seen him paying great respect for Shaligrams, and inspired thousands of devotees to worship Lord Narayana in all His forms.
Happy this episode is finally out!! So refreshing to have this open exchange without judgement. The path to God is through openness and sincere curiosity, and it's up to us to focus on differences or on what unite us. But if we focus on the differences and create separation as a result, no point in complaining about the state of the world, if we cannot even see eye to eye in minor topics. Very nice to see different stances from IsKcon and Bhakti Marga on different topics!
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
Very good point of categorizing life into three portions: ideal, permissible and prohibited. Sounds organic and reminds me of Ayurvedic approach to diet according to our dosas. There are foods one can take without problem, those one can eat from time to time and those one must avoid as much as possible. It's gentle, not suffocating.
Jaigurudev Swami Revitikananda amazing open and beautiful conversation thank you both❤Reason that we can inspired each other by saintly/spir/ persons is so beautiful ❤️ Its Just LOVE ♥️
Hare Krsna! 🙏🏾Thank You for such a thoughtful and open conversation. I have been wondering about Bhakti Marga for quite some time. It is so beautiful to see Vaisnavas from different Sampradayas dialoguing with one another. This interview also reconfirmed in my heart that I am on the right path for me as an aspiring Guadiya Vaisnava, follower of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and our precious Srila Prabhupada 🙏🏾🌹🌹🌹 Thank You so much for inviting Swami Revatikanta to the podcast.
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own. Why you invite followers of a kali chela having so many real vaishnavas to interview?
Their guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth. Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 Exactly, it's absolutely unfounded, and the audacity to claim a connection to the Sampradaya is astonishing. People can be so naive. Before enrolling in a school for material education, they thoroughly evaluate its credentials, yet when it comes to spirituality, their discernment seems to vanish. There's no critical analysis of who is genuinely following the scriptures versus who is merely dressed like a sadhu, preaching a deceptive form of dharma." Sb 7.15.13 vidharmaḥ para-dharmaś ca ābhāsa upamā chalaḥ adharma-śākhāḥ pañcemā dharma-jño ’dharmavat tyajet Religious principles that obstruct one from following his own religion are called vidharma. Religious principles introduced by others are called para-dharma. A new type of religion created by one who is falsely proud and who opposes the principles of the Vedas is called upadharma. And interpretation by one’s jugglery of words is called chala-dharma.
Jai Gurudev! What an amazing loving and respectful conversation! Wishing all Vaishnavs in the world be living with such respect to each other! 🙏🏼 Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu Om Shanti Shani Shanti Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah Hari Om
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
@@julio801-jambavandas2 About your comments: yat tu krtsnavad ekasmin karye saktam ahaitukam | atattvarthavad alpam ca tat tamasam udährtam || 22 || But that knowledge which is not based on reason, which clings to one single idea as if it were everything, which is Truth and therefore limited, that knowledge is declared to be tamasic. (BG 18.22)
@@julio801-jambavandas2Generally, in order not to disturb those who desire and opt to be cheated, we should try to see the good done and represented by even those who appear to misrepresent bhakti in various ways. At the end of the day, what would those who want to be cheated do, if cheaters weren´t available? 🤓
@@yaraulcay your quote does not have anything to do with the serious allegations of sexual abuse from this fake guru, and with the fact that he is worshiped as God himself, etc.
such an interesting podcast! lovely to see brothers from Iskcon and Bhakti marga talking so nicely, You are inspiration for all of us to be kind to each other. Thank You!
Thank you for the nice discussions to all persons present here. Interesting point about Mirabai. I’ve found commonality in that our acharyas have included Mirabai’s songs such as “Ali Mohe Lage” in the Gaudiya Giti Gucca, a compilation of songs in line with the Gaudiya mood compiled by Srila Bhakti Prajnana Keshava Goswami Maharaja over 100 years ago. I hope we can continue to magnify what is unifying amongst all on this great path 🙏
yes you should be gratefeul with His Divive Grace who said that we have the duty to see who is deviating. With his teaching and example we can easily see how this Vishwavanda is a kali chela, an agent of kali, taking advantage of naive not well informed followers. Hare Krishna! Jay Prabhupada!
@@AA-nn7eh you have to be kiding or you are ignorant about vaishnava traditions. No bonafide line will have a pretender like Vishwavanda as the acharya. A deviant lusty sexual abuser. Blind people following an asura and going with him to hell
@@AA-nn7eh They are not, because their so called guru is a gay guy who dresses as a rich Indian lady, and who was accused by several of his male followers of sexually abused them. So, the blind following the blind, and all together will go to hell. The guy lies about his past and does not belong to any sampradaya, this is why he had to create his own. You don´t have a clue about real vaishnavas following Madhvacarya and Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Get informed, and wake up!
Hare krishna Jai gurudev❤ Thank you for podcast . . . . . . . . . . . Don't fall for false accusions or you will miss it many things ❤❤ Just love ❣️ Hare krishna
As always Namarasji you have had the courage and the curiosity.. Revatikaantha is a delicious person, I have listened to him quite a bit and I wish him success in his sincere endeavor to serve Hari.
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
@@julio801-jambavandas2 I dare believe Revatikaantha has not abused anyone. He is a bright sincere young man and he has earned my respect and affection. In our movement too maltreatment and abuse have been catastrophically rampant. May everyone prevail and prosper in the love for Godhead.
@@emmanuellaperron3517 we know his guru did it, this is why his initiation does not have any value If he is sincere he should reject this cheater and take shelter of a bonafide sadhu
@@julio801-jambavandas2I see, you question his sincerity and therefore seem to have not a single shred of appreciation for his efforts in this regard. Ok your prerogative.
super captivating discussion, and i wish more of the same would happen - not only between sampradayas, but within the gaudiya family alone, it would be so refreshing if more discussion could take place with a more neutral tone, such as this. gaudiya family feels very divisive to me at present, and to be honest i wish from the very beginning i could have learned more basic things about where the different persepectives diverge and converge. why not go ahead and establish what the various teachings are and share that with others so that all is very clear and one can be guided accordingly, based on their own sincerity. rather than “disturbing one’s faith“ (as is often emphasized in gaudiya family not to “go here and there“) for many sadhakas the effect is opposite and actually reinforces sincere and humble inquiry. is that not the kind of inquiry, the kind of soul-searching that led us somewhere to begin with? ❤ Gaura Hari Bol
Anupam was devotee of Lord Ram. Vaishnavas understand the “hierarchy” but fully accept all devotees of the Lord in whichever Avatar. Because someone really relishes something it is natural to favor and preach it. Knocking down other aspects is because Raja Guna affects us in Bhumi Loka because of the guna graha. So one who isn’t trying to elevate from the 3 modes will start to compare in a materialistic way.
Vishwavanda is a gay guy who sexually abused several of his male followers, lied about his past, does not belong to any sampradaya, and dresses as a rich Indian lady. He is not any kind of vaishnava.
My personal thoughts being a devotee of Swami Vishwananda, reading some comments: In today’s world, especially in the age of social media, it’s crucial to apply critical thinking rather than simply parroting what a few voices in forums say just to fit in. Being part of extreme opinion groups or echo chambers is a widespread issue today. We’ve lost the ability to think independently, instead redirecting attention away from our own flaws by mindlessly repeating what others say. It’s easier to mimic like NPCs than to engage in genuine critical thinking, which is rare these days. This so-called “bravery” is mostly expressed behind keyboards, especially in comment sections when others can see this opinion. Over the years, I’ve encountered only two instances where someone privately asked me critical questions about my Master. Interestingly, whenever I posted something positive or shared a personal experience, nobody questioned it. But when a negative or extreme opinion arises, people quickly adopt it without hesitation or take accusations immediately as absolute proof. Throughout the years, I’ve come across many negative articles about ISKCON, including some disturbing content just yesterday. However, I’ve never felt the impulse to flood comment sections with criticism. Bhakti Marga devotees, guided by the teachings of Swami Vishwananda, are not inclined to criticize others. Personally, after 10 years on this path, I feel secure and content in my conviction, and these negative opinions do not sway me. Why do you think am I convinced? Also nobody is really interested. The urge to point fingers often stems from insecurity in one’s own path or an attraction to extreme negativity. Despite knowing about certain issues within ISKCON, I don’t feel compelled to attack their members. Instead, I genuinely wish them well on their spiritual journey and hope they attain Krishna Prema in this life. On my channel, I’ve shared numerous positive experiences with Swami Vishwananda, yet these are often ignored in favor of negative accusations. Thousands of positive accounts exist, but not once in 10 years has anyone asked me about these experiences. This highlights how our minds gravitate toward negativity and drama rather than seeking the truth, especially if it challenges preconceived notions. Many prefer to stay within their thought bubbles, where they feel comfortable, rather than think independently. Unfortunately, this is the sickness of social media today-critical thinking is a rarity. Seeing this kind of behavior in Vaishnavism, I am not surprised that we are so divided. We speak about attaining Krishna Prema, yet we do very little to see others as our god-brothers and sisters. Instead, we focus on pointing out each other's flaws. Why aren't we asking these questions within our traditions: Has your bhakti grown? Has your relationship with God deepened? Are you experiencing more positivity in your life? Has your longing for God increased? I would confidently answer: Yes. This demonstrates that the method I practice has the most valuable effect-it brings me closer to God. These are essential questions we should be concerned with if we are truly interested in the growth of humanity because a Vaishnava is someone who tries to see Krishna in everyone and understands that God has placed them exactly where they are meant to be. Critical thinking involves asking questions such as: Am I considering the whole picture? Have I spoken personally to a long-term devotee? Have I thoroughly explored the philosophy of the movement? Have I listened to the many positive experiences? Is my opinion biased by mostly reading the opinions of those outside of Bhakti Marga? Have I ever met Swami Vishwananda and formed my own experience? When we say "multiple people said this," how many is "multiple"? Is it 2, 3, 4, or more? How many are saying positive things on the other side? Are they more or less? Do I consciously ignore negative aspects within my own organization while pointing out only the 'faults' of other organizations? The most important question: Is my opinion driven by a desire to know the truth and help, or simply by a desire to be right? Because the first option includes the possibility that our opinions might change, and we may need to admit that we could be wrong or that our approach to acquiring knowledge is based only on hearsay and has no solid foundation. Do I do this for the sake just to critisizing or out of generous compassion to find the truth? And now we need to be really sincere with ourself in finding our true motivation why we have the urge to constantly bash Bhakti Marga. If it’s done just purely out of egoism then ask yourself, if this really is a service to Krishna.
Your guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth. Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 Putting Tulsi on His feet is not done for a long time. And I find it funny how this enrages the community again in such a way. On the other side, Mother Tulsi is used as Tulsi Vinegar, as tea, as a powder for medicine, as drops, as skincare!, as a face pack, as a shampoo, as hair oil, as Tulsi Juice, as incense sticks, as toothpaste etc. - I do not see the big enrage in front of the factories who produce these Tulsi products which people use to clean themselves. But when devotees have put out of Love Tulsi in the past on the Lotus Feet of an enlightened Being, the enrage is big. Funny contrast of what is being accepted and something that is not accepted. And the others is not a magic trick but a sign of Love to strengthen the faith of the devotees. He doesnt do it in public. I know people from other traditions who despite chanting for 20 years when they have been asked if they have faith that Krishna hears the prayers, they could not answer with confidence: YES. But simple devotees of Swami Vishwananda who are maybe even shortly on the path, they can with sureness answer, Yes, God is listening. So the only intention is to strengthen the faith and not a Magic Trick as you here say.
I agree that social media is its own beast, but tensions are predictably bound to flare up if there are vagaries around siddhanta, particularly that of guru tattva and isvara tattva. By this I don't mean advocating for this or that person as guru or who is or isn't the "pure devotee" by dint of institution, or defining a category by its poorest example, but rather I am talking about the epistemological means that one determines categories, such as guru and isvara. It is literally the grammar that frames critical thinking. Probably one of the core tenets one will encounter in coming to gaudiya vaisnavism are clear definitions about the distinctions between jiva and isvara, or the living entity and God. Amongst this is the very particular understanding that the bonafide guru establishes themselves as God's servant, and abhors the notion of being God. Inasmuch as personalism is at the core of bhakti, determining the jiva as categorically different to the isvara is the primary frame that distinguishes personalism from impersonalism. In otherwords this issue determines whether one is going to critically think as a personalist, or critically think as an impersonalist. This is not some minor side detail. This insistence on a clear distinction between personalism and impersonalism is probably the most consistent talking point of the past 150 years of gaudiya vaisvana acharyas (and can even be found in the direct vani of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and even warrants considerable output from rupa and jiva gosvami). Just to reiterate, how one uses tulasi determines how one understands these categories of isvara and jiva. Putting tulasi on the feet of a guru is showing how one understands these categories, and is not something flippant like the use of tulasi in medicine or cosmetics (for the record, staunch vaisnavas consider even the use of tulasi in medicines as a type of offense. At the very least, ACB Swami Prabhupada was very particular not to use such medicines, and he is not alone in this determination). So of course, when there is this gross or blind neglect of consensus on category, it is bound to spill out in vitriol. It is just like a man and woman getting married without sharing a prior consensus on what the definition of "fidelity" means. In other words, advancing further into the arena (such as lofty discussions about bhakti, parampara etc) is just going to meet with predictable catastrophe and resistance if there is no consensus on the activities that the arena frames (ie no consensus on how the categories behind the principles of bhakti are defined). There may be great discussions about love between the two newly-weds, but if there is no consensus on how fidelity secures the arena of marriage, it is all moot, and just grist for the mill of some larger catastrophic disagreement down the line.
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 For the devotees, Lord Krishna seems to be shining through the Guru, that is why they offer Tulsi. I heard in their morning prayers a testimonial from one of his Rishis, who, during darshan with Vishwananda, had a vision of Maha Vishnu, Lakshmi, and Mahavatar Babaji. You can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/lLcnAHjFEI0/v-deo.html I think it's important to be cautious when judging Vaishnavas in general. I wouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly. While I wouldn't say he is Lord Krishna, I believe he is undoubtedly a high soul, and I'm sure we don't fully understand what he is doing. Also I see many people jumping into Sanathana Dharma because of him
Much respect to ALL "bona fide" vaisnavas and vaisnava sampradayas and paramparas. Personally for me i haven't, in the 35 plus years of my interaction and experience with ISKCON (initiation, living in asrama as a monk, and then years of continued association in other meaningful ways) even begun to surrender to srila prabhupada, what to speak of other vaisnava teachers and vaisnnava teachings. So although i offer my sincere regards to all vaisnava practitioners (in fact ALL sincere seekers of the supreme truth, whatever pious path they may be on), i will spend the rest of this lifetime trying to understand and practice even a fraction of what srila prabhupada first blessed me with knowing (via his books and teachings overall) way back in the mid-1980s! Perhaps in a future episode, a guest from the traditional ramanuja or madhva or nimbarka sampradyas could be interviewed.
I strongly agree,there is a huge lack of vaishnavas talking with other sampradayas (mostly because only iskon does outreach these days). It would be interesting to see the nuanced points of difference
That's why Sanatan is eternal bcz our gurus has always been contemporary in nature.. Tuning their realization with current times needs.. That's why we says, gurus are not in the past or future... Guru is always in present and they are always contemporary in nature. They do not do things on their whims... They do these new things, new practices bcz those are what currently needed in contemporary times as per their beloved disciples. They always bring those flavours to bring more people into self realization or say Bhakti. Jai Gurudev.
Problem is that his so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own. This does not have anything to do with sanatan dharma. Get informer, or just look at the face of this gay guy, and the way he dresses. Wake up!
@madhavsinghsodhi1614 Kriya Yoga in bhakti marga is absolutely compatible with bhakti, when yoga is practiced for the purpose of self-realization, it could be said that it is not directly in favour of bhakti. On the other hand, in atma kriya yoga, the situation is the opposite, the sole purpose of it's practice is cittasuddhi which leads through Bhagavan kripa to ananyā-bhakti. The goal is only bhakti and therefore cannot be incompatible according to the Vaishnava acharyas. you can't make claim without understanding the teachings of Paramahamsa Vishwananda as a whole. Secondly, the claim that there is a contradiction in having a path called Bhakti Marga while being an offshoot of the Sri Vaishnava Sampradaya, is also confusing. What Sripad Ramanujacharya calls bhakti is a kind of upasana based on the upanisadic vidyas and, as such, practised only by dvijas (twice-born) because of the impossibility of access to the Veda for non-dvijas and women. For the Sri Vaishnava, bhakti is therefore a specific path based on Upasana, which boils down to a pure vision of Bhagavān at the complexion of the process. This is a specific use of the term on their part, being an offshoot of the same tradition does not necessitate using the term in the same way. Ramanandis, which are also an offshoot of Sri Vasihnavism, does not follow the terminology either. On the other hand, what Sri Vaishnava call Saranagati is really what we in Bhakti Marga and other Vaishnava tradtions like Gaudiya, nimbarkis... call bhakti marga, i.e. the practice of navadha-Bhakti alongside the sadanga of saranagati. Therefore here also there's no contradiction. The parampara is simple in Hari Bhakta's sampradaya. It begins with Paramahamsa Vishwananda, just as the Gaudiya Vaishnvism begins with Mahaprabhu (the connection to the madhva having been correctly set aside by followers of Mahaprabhu themself). Through initiation, Paramahamsa Vishwananda's lineage goes far back into the Sri Vaishnava tradition. If you or others find problems with Sri Vaishnava Guru's paramampara as presented, you can approach them directly, the sampradaya that Jagananda says it refutes is simply the sampradaya that the initiating acaryas of Sri Vaishnava gave as their own. The tilak is specific to the Bhakti marga and at the same time includes elements from different Vaishnava Sampradaya, such as the Tulsi leaf, the dot, Lakshmi churna, etc. It perfectly reflects Paramahamsa Vishwananda's vision of offering a teaching that unifies the Vaishnava rather than dividing them. Thank you for this podcast! It's indeed a great discussion and it's very nice to see that there can be great discussions between sampradaya. I hope to see more of them in the future. 🙏
@@Rishivrishaparvaananda Vishvananda and his camp directly violates the very essential principles of Shri Ramanuja parampara. Worship of a human as Narayan is forbidden. Opening a supermarket of devatAntaras is forbidden, what to speak of including the mleccha sai baba into it. The intent is very clear, include all kinds of mumbo jumbo, so as to trap any kind of 'customer'. There can be no worse offence than making Shri Ramanuja, who preached the highest essence of Sanatan Dharma, ie, Saranagati to Narayan, sit at the feet of some missing yogi at the alter. The least you could have done is made them sit side by side.
@@aditshukla That's because you don't see that sampradayas are essentially an amalgam of two elements: one fundamental principle and the other traditional. In the case of Sri Vaishnavism, the fundamental principle is simply: Shreeman Narayana is the Avatari, Sharanagti is the path to reach Bhagavan, it is a path where Bhagavan Himself (by His grace) is the path, our own efforts are simply there to show our will in the mood of karpayam and the philosophy is visista-dvaita. Can you tell me how Paramahamsa Vishwananda preaches anything different? Have you read His books? If you have, you will see that the fundamental teachings are identical. Of course, the traditional elements are not followed because Bhakti Marga is not established in Tamil Nadu. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we don't do things differently, we have our own Smapradaya for a reason. I'm just saying that we are much closer to Sri Vaishnavism in our practice than any Gaudiya will ever be to Madhvacharya in term of philopshy and practice. First of all, you should see that regarding the guru as a normal human being is one of the main aparadhas that your own siddhanta constantly maintains. Of course, the guru can be seen as an Avatara in Sri Vaishnavism, as the example of Pillai Lokacarya, seen as a direct manifestation of Varadaraja Swamy, clearly shows. Secondly, regarding your statement about it being offensive to have Ramanuja Acharya at the feet of Mahavarata Babaji, you should see that Mahavatara Babaji is considered to be JagatGuru, the great acharyas all met Him at one time, Adi Shankaracharya and Ramanuja included, you can accept it or not, but you cannot consider it offensive. You can simply choose not to accept it, and that's perfectly fine but that's the tradition. Again, why not just accept simple things like what your beloved Lord says: tṛṇād api su-nīcena taror iva sahiṣṇunā amāninā māna-dena kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ
@@aditshukla His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
@@Rishivrishaparvaananda His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
Two newspapers, Der Spiegel and Wiesbadener Kurier, reported that the main media corporation made a significant mistake by relying on the rumors of a man who, after allegedly being abused, attempted suicide. The media did not verify the information and published the accusations, which led to a government investigation. This investigation revealed that the so-called "victim" denied the accusations and subsequently took legal action against the media corporation HR for publishing unfounded allegations. Julio please inform yourself before spamming everywhere. Media in germany is ruled by evangelical church. Do your math
In India, similar cohesion among various Vaishnav sampradayas is being popularly propounded by Swami Hit-Premanand Ji Maharaj, mainly motivating general public towards Chanting Hari-Naam.
Subjects around parampara are an advanced subject matter, behind layers of core principles to vaisnavism, eg the means by which one recognises divinity (ie determining who is isvara and who is jiva). If there is no consensus around such core principles, there is no point trying to draw a conversation around points of equivalence that are further down the road (such as topics about the practical application of parampara etc). It is like trying to have a discussion about calculus when there is no agreement about principles of algebra. Bhaktimarg has radically different views on visnu tattva. They accept their guru, paramahamsa sri swami vishwananda, as a direct incarnation of the self-same Lord Krsna that spoke the gita to Arjuna. From what I have gleaned from Swami Revatikanta, the basis for asserting this are "mystical" experiences of yogic feats, witnessed by his disciples (such as experiences of bliss, bewilderment etc arising from directly taking vishwananda's darsana). There is some allusion to this being something like experiencing the universal form, as per arjuna's experience in the gita. Interestingly, revatikanta stated elsewhere that one has to qualified (with the eyes of devotion?) to see this (which is a stark difference to arjuna's experience, where despite being unqualified to see the universal form, Krsna gave him the eyes to see the universal form). I am not fully up to speed with the contemporary status quo of the Sri Sampradaya, but I suspect Bhakti Marg is playing it quite free and loose with the Sampradaya's tenets. At the very least, gaudiya vaisnavism has a different epistemological basis for recognizing visnu tattva (guru, sadhu sastra). The guru is esteemed on the strength of being "Krsna das", not "Krsna". ACBSP says plenty of harsh things in this regard, so there is no need for me to repeat them. I am not saying this for the sake of some sectarian jab. I am saying this because being unclear about it just causes confusion and turmoil, or even worse, a sort of superficiality. Fair enough we live in a multi-faith world and we all have to live with our differences, but good fences make good neighbours. Taking the neo-hindu deep dive into syncretism just errodes the qualities that define categories. I don't know whether namarasa was a bit poorly informed before having this conversation, or if Revatikanta was being a bit duplicitous in avoiding the elephant in the room (he is quite familiar with Iskcon's core principles), but I think the discussion went totally in the wrong direction, simply for what it omitted to touch on.
Excellent analysis. It's unfortunate that Namarasa Dasa lacks such discernment and invites individuals from apasampradaya groups to the platform. Bhakti Marga has no genuine connection with the Sri Sampradaya. What they are engaging in is cultural appropriation. They merely adopt the symbols of Sri Vaishnavism while worshipping all sorts of Mayavadi gurus. They even have a museum glorifying these Mayavadi figures, which no true Vaishnava guru would ever endorse. What's more troubling is that their guru has been accused of abusing many boys, and this is well-documented.
@@ayiruskan8016 Vishwananda & the consequences of controlling others to believe he is GOD. Bhakti Marga, the ‘Just Love’ cult that has no clue what love is. Love is feeling in the heart. But it is also a deep respect for others and a wish not to hurt them. This is absent in Vishwananda. Here is the proof. Just like a good spiritual narcissist, a normal homosexual guru man managed to manipulate the energies/emotions and convince his followers that he was an avatar of God, Vishnu. Because of their love and devotion, they did everything he said and gave all their energy, creativity, power, lifeforce away to him, thereby losing their lives and their empowerment - maybe never even knowing it had happened. Would you consider that a spiritual crime? Vishwananda is a homosexual self-proclaimed guru that has been accused of coercing young men into sex against their full will, whether they were homosexual or not, ever since 2008. He is able to coerce young men because they believe he is God. For a long time, Miles Witt, a heterosexual man, spoke out into the internet alone, not really being heard. Eventually, I came along and interviewed him and another man, and it was published online. We know there are many more who do not come forward because they are afraid. We have spoken to them. Many people are always afraid. And that is why they never come forward. That is why only a few of us speak. - Maltimanjari Dasi approached me on behalf of her guru at the Jiva Institute in Vrindavan to find out if the allegations were true, and she tells me that she then obtained some of her own private testimonials through her own research. She was focused on doing this to serve her guru rather than for the purposes of telling the world. This is what she wrote to me when I wanted to show her more private recordings: “Dear …, my guru is already convinced of the evidence I am constantly sending him… I am also in contact with a family from Switzerland who wants to leave. They are very much afraid of the karmic reactions and the anger of the Swami, which they also personally experienced… I have already sent him the recording that I made myself and he heard the others. I don’t really think he needs more evidence since the matter is clear to me.” If a mainstream journalist publishes this information, more people will likely come forward. Vishwananda has publically lied about having sex with men when asked. We know he is a normal person because we have heard personal accounts as to how he behaves privately, especially in the early days. We heard that he has sexual urges and behaviors similar to any person that likes to watch strippers, for example. Here is another testimonial from a French man (that is not Matthieu - it is a different man) who does not wish to show his name, but we have heard his recording, and we have it. It is translated from French (not my translation): I massaged the whole body. He quickly proposed to be naked while I massage and he also promptly asked me to massage around sex. Not necessarily on sex but around sex. And then there were several given moments when there were nonverbal pressures; Once again I did not have the eyes to see at that time, and too much naiveté … Nonverbal pressures, touching, with … Before we go any further, that was where, in place that you have massaged and that he was naked? It was at the ashram (Springen). The first times it was on a place of pilgrimage. The ashram, it was in his bungalow is that? Yes, in his bungalow, and it was at night, between 1am and 3am - 4am. He said people did not go to bed before. It was night, most of the time. Interviewer: And how did you react when he asked you if he could be naked? For me it was shocking. But in fact I trusted him. I had total confidence in him. So I had no doubt that it was going to be fine; Is it in connection with what is called the “surrender” abandonment, letting go, trust in the Master? Interviewer: Did these teachings influence you? It influenced me, yes. And his physical state, when he was naked, were there any particular expressions of his body? Yes, he was erect sometimes. Yes. Reactions, obviously … He was erect, yes. He asked me to massage his belly, to massage around sex. He asked me once at the end, the last time I massaged him … In fact he was even very explicit, very clear in his expressions. He took my hand to put it on his cock, on his testicles. There I could not doubt anymore. And I was very shocked indeed, especially since I had already expressed to him that I had no attraction for men. And there was even one time I had said that. He even told me that anyway he would never have asked me to massage him if I had been homosexual … here… Interviewer: And you what did you feel? Did you feel a healing power or spiritual work that was taking place on you during these practices? I felt a lot of trouble. I needed explanations. I did not dare to ask because I did not feel his permission, I did not allow myself to do it. I was waiting somewhere for explanations, to explain to me how it worked in the unmanifest, the invisible, or what was happening at the karmic level. There was no explanation. I really would have liked to be explained but here it is. I came to understand that it was bluffing. In any case, there was a graduation that made me mistrust little by little until I had no doubt about the fact that I was being manipulated. …He claims to be a swami, a renouncer; Normally renunciates, that … gives up … to sexuality, to food (specific diet without onions, garlic, or others). Often it is justified by the fact that he is the incarnation of God on Earth, that he is beyond all things, that he is his Leela, his Maya, and that he does what he wants. We can not understand … Have you ever heard such explanations, lessons? The second time I massaged it, I think; And he told me … he was very clear .. he said to me, “I am above everything.” He was very clear. There I was very shocked by the way. I was certainly outraged by this “low-end immunity”, and at the same time there was this fascination that was still there and I did not have the lucidity to leave… …It’s interesting to see that on the one hand, he is above all, that he is God, and therefore he is omnipotent, and on the other hand one often hears from Bhakti Marga that he needs to this, of sexuality with men. That otherwise “he would disembody.” We have also spoken of “sexual karma”: that it “would burn supposedly sexual karma.” But we can ask ourselves questions: Why only men, and not women? And darshan, that would not be enough (to burn sexual karma)? And if he is God, does he need these practices? Why not just a blessing? These are questions that are interesting to ask. Because on their side, at BM, they try to justify these actions. At first, they try to hide them, and when it becomes too obvious to some people, they try to justify them; And the justifications that are reported are troubling to a rational and reasonable person. The fact that some people are (potential or suspected) victims of sexual assault, some of whom may be potentially minors (under 18), can not be justified by the fact that, in my opinion, either Krishna or an incarnation of Krishna or God on Earth, and does not put him beyond the justice of men and of earthly justice. And why would this be hidden? He claims to be a Swami …” “On the one hand, he asks a lot of things to people: to give him their soul, to give him their money: to contribute even … physically … But on the other hand him who he really is, and what he does. That’s what’s shocking and shocking from my point of view. There are families who are divorcing, separating. There are people selling their homes to become renunciants. “ - Myself, once when I was at Bhakti Marga, I heard a Swamini from France (Swamini Godavari) saying to a person who was in retreat; “listen, now you are a renunciant. If I ask you to give me your house and put all your belongings on the table, you will have to do it,” and the person said “oh yes? And how would I live?” She replied, “you would do like birds; you would live on faith, and in faith that God cares for you.” And on the other side, we ask for a lot of financial investment from people. Vishwananda has a fairly luxurious lifestyle: helicopter trip; he is offered very nice cars … And he asks retired people, or fragile psychologically… to squander their inheritance or their savings, leaving aside their children, their training, etc. . People whose children felt helpless made suicide attempts. I think of Roshnee’s daughter, who has a suicide attempt. And when Roshnee told VS, he laughed and said to his daughter, “oh … but why did you do that?” It’s troubling. But on the spot, we are taught not to judge … everything is a Leela… When one becomes devout, ie the first degree of commitment, devotion, or brahmachari, he asks us for a percentage … 10%. 10% of his income. People are signing a contract now, those who are initiated brahmachari or devotees: It has changed. There is a contract today, that you sign. And you give your RIB (Bank Statement of Identity). In this contract, you commit to giving 10% of your income and you make transfers.
@@ayiruskan8016 Satyanarayan Babaji said in an interview something like he didn´t know about the allegations, it seems he is not linked anymore with this rascal.
I believe the main issue lies in the fact that this point isn’t openly discussed and is often diplomatically ignored, which I see as a significant problem. The great devotees of the disciplic succession, Srila Prabhupada’s spiritual master, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, and especially Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, struggled intensely with people of this nature. Personally, I have also heard claims where disciples regard their guru as if he were God Himself. This is a major issue, and it goes beyond simply accepting another religion. I believe it delves more into matters of sectarianism, deception, and manipulation. Thank you for your comment; I think it’s important for more people to be aware of this and not be swayed by superficialities.
There is no hierarchy in the spiritual world, well it depends on the criteria that you chose to use for the evaluation. If you have no criteria, so of course there is no hierarchy.
There is very strict hierarchy in the spiritual world just like there is in this material world. All spiritual processes in this material world are not equal and we can talk about hierarchy among them as well. If you are following Srila Praphupadas Vedic teachings, you have complete phylosophy, yoga and lifestyle to follow. Just get involved in cow protection, serve cows to the best of your capability, and you don't need anything else.
No parampara, this is why this kali chela had to create his own. He was accused by several of his male followers of sexual abused. Just look at his face and the way he dresses. Nothing to do with a real sadhu. Another agent of kali with naive and blind followers.
Can ask the same for Gaudiyas my friend... The politics between Bhaktisidhanta and Lalita Prasad is so funny and then even under the Bhaktisidhanta camp there are so many conflicts... first fix and represent your own as Aindra used to say ,'don't be a half baked cookie' .
Conflicts will manifest in every camp. The huge difference is that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta showed all the qualities of a bonafide sadhu and guru, while Vishwananda is a gay guy who sexually abused several of his young male followers, and dresses as a rich Indian lady
Congratulations for this episode. This is a great endeavor to amplify our concept of the oneness of Vaishnavas. What is at stake is not only the oneness of Vaishnavas but also the oneness of Vaishnavism. Srila Prabhupada explained to us that Lord Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Your endeavor indicates another step. Not just that Krishna is the Supreme Lord but rather the awareness of the unity of Vaishnavism; a unity in whose light the different shapes of our tilaks, so to say, would fade away. Honestly, I do not take 100% credit for this thought, but I picked it from the writing of Viktor E. Frankl, the author of “Man’s Search for Meaning”. Hare Krishna.
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
I can see the appeal. There are people who want something not so institutionalized, in fact that is very much the trend. Clearly they are not afraid to change or completely ignore certain rules to adapt to their particular mood. It is very different from the very "set in stone" type of mood that iskcon tends to prescribe. Ultimately different strokes for different folks, very fixed ISKCON devotees won't gravitate to BM and most BMers know about ISKCON and have decided that they prefer the BM mood. And that is just how things are. Somehow in some way if people are coming closer to God and Harinaam, it is hard to argue that this is not a positive outcome.
Your guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth. Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
1:17:20 swami revantikant observation made me cry... It should be the death of my body if something has came from my guru and I would not believe it.. It's really a nightmare statement for any disciple.
Dandavat Pranams. His Holiness Swami Revatikanta is a sincere and intelligent Krishna devotee. He is a great candidate for becoming one of Mahaprabhu's followers as he seems to like to interact with them ... 500 years ago many great swamis and brahmans did just that from previous positions. Also, as modern Gaudiyas, many of us on our side could use a good dose of Sattva Guna Vaishnava Hinduism.The Gaudiyas have mostly looked with harmony with the Shri Sampradaya. I was invited to have the darshan of His Grace Paramahamsa Viswananda at a program here in Maui (maybe 2009?). At that fairly well attended event in a resort palace setting there was no talking Katha but a ceremony of individual blessings for the attendees . I am a devotee anthropologist, so I was interested. I was there as a curious observer guest . I did not feel the need for any blessings beyond my guru varga. The world needs the contribution of many such messengers talking about Love of Krishna. Since then there have been more Kirtans . Really nice Kirtans! Bhakti Marga is very modern and charismatic. Reminiscent of SRF, and with KIrtans and temples like like ISKCON a little. I served in ISKCON from 1984-1991. From 1992 I am a disciple of Shrila Bhakti Sundar Govinda Maharaj with special shiksa from Shrila Bhakti Promode Puri Maharaj. My two Param Gurus are Shrila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad and Shrila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Goswami Maharaj.. All of them were followers of the Six Goswamis, all of the them were followers of Sri Guru and Shri GaurangaChandra. I am delighted to to hear there is a shrine to the Six Goswamis at the Bhakti Marg center in Germany. We want to sing Hare Krishna Kirtan with everyone. Mahaprabhu's historicity and compelling message is our service to bring out. --Rakhal Raja das
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
Everything shatters in bhakti marga when they tell you their Guruji, Paramahamsa Vishwananda, is God. They truly believe he is Krishna himself. Try to harmonize that.
Great podcast. I respect the Swami, I’m bowing down to his feet. It’s just that only recently, I saw his guru being ornamented with Ananta Shesha as the background of his seat. I’m having difficulties with understanding it. Their acceptance of their guru being Avatar, it presents great challenge for my mind. Radhe-Shyam.
@@jeroenquartier7126 Can you elaborate about Mahavatar Babaji? Is he considered to be a representative of a certain sampradaya, or did he start a separate sampradaya? Did/does he have a guru himself?
@@Satyam16108As far as I know, Mahavatar Babaji, whom we consider as being a Krishna-Avatar doesn't belong to and also didn't start a Sampradaya. Also I can't name His Guru. But apart from this our Guru was initiated into the Sri Sampradaya by Sri Vedavyasa Rangaraj Bhattar and we are philosophically very closely related to Sri Ramanujas lineage.
@@jeroenquartier7126 Vishwavanda is a gay guy who sexually abused several of his male followers, lied about his past, does not belong to any sampradaya, and dresses as a rich Indian lady. So, Revatinanda should look for a real sadhu, and reject this cheater
Jai Gurudev,
thanks for this respectful and informative exchange.
Am happy to see devotees of different traditions coming together focusing on what unifies us instead of what separates us.🙏
Hope people get inspired by it, to keep “Love for God” as priority.
Hare Krishna
❤❤❤
@@dpcracker4505 You're full of drap, man. You know that whole institution is all (and **only**) about bringing souls to your guru. It's not about Krishna. It's about your guru, on whose feet you place Tulasi leaves.
Conclusion, again: you are full of crap, man.
Leave this guy asap if you want to save your spiritual life.
@@SwamiAniruddha and I pray to Radha Krishna that you will break away from his tantric spell on you before it’s too late.
@@Americankrishna Cyril Wohrer, after reading your comment, I can’t help but wonder about your motives. Even after ISKCON, you continue to slander others. You boast about your Oxford affiliation and 30 years of chanting in your UA-cam description-who are you trying to impress?
Do you actually introduce yourself like this to others in person? Hello, my name is Cyril Wohrer and I am chanting the holy name since 30 years. :)
You claim to serve humanity, yet you focus more on criticizing clothing than on discussing God. Just the last days, you posted 11 times about ISKCON’s clothing choices. If you had the same passion for Krishna as you do for criticizing others, you'd likely be enlightened by now.
Your UA-cam videos barely get views, indicating that people aren't interested in your content. You hardly reach 500 views.
If you truly want to serve humanity, speak positively, respect other devotees, and focus on Krishna, not on others’ faults.
Do you think Krishna is pleased with constant criticism? Be more humble and focus your japa on Krishna, not on nitpicking others. Doing Japa on Jeans, Jeans, Jeans, aparad, aparad will not bring you closer to God or help others to reach God.
Only a fool like Namarasa would give respect to fake avatars like your Guru. Zero sampradaya or tradition and a guru who r@pes his male disciples. Everything was exposed in a german video
Loved this podcast! Met His Guru in Bali while on vacation! The whole team and his devotees were amazing and kind!
I happily enjoyed the conversation throughout. Hope to see more with you all
Your like a lion Swami. Amazing talk, your words are very clear. I appreciate that you don’t say too much, and you say just enough.
Your guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth.
Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 He is also a gay who r@pes his male disciples
@@jorgearias3977 Vishwavanda is a gay guy who sexually abused several of his male followers, lied about his past, does not belong to any sampradaya, and dresses as a rich Indian lady.
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 And his guru was accused by several of his male followers of sexual abuse. He lied about his past, does not belong to any sampradaya, and dresses and behaves like a rich Indian lady. These guys shoud wake up, reject this kali chela, and look for a real sadhu
....oh and Thank You for addressing the Mirabai "controversy". Her temple/home was one of the temples I prayed at every day when I was in Vrindavan. I have so much respect for her devotion to Krsna. It has always been an inspiration to read her poems and hear about all that she sacrificed for her love of Krsna. She may not have practiced the way we practice but she still attained Prema.
ISKCON vs Bhakti marg ❎
ISKCON and Bhakti marg ✅
I see the term vs just meaning a comparison, that's all
Amazing conversation, pranams to Swamiji - he's so well spoken and sparklingly clear. Hare Krishna 🙌
Swami Revitikananda stands for what he believes thats what i like in him.
He inspire me more and more❤
I love this ❤ Such respect for one another. THIS is how it should be!!
Hare Krishna 🙏🙇♀️🌹
Such an insightful and respectful exchange of ideas.
These conversations are so important.
Hopefully we can educate ourselves in listening more and talking less.
Blessed are those who can see God in everything and everyone.
Great conversation! It cleared a lot of confusions I had about Bhakti Marg.
This has been the most informative and insightful conversation about the similarities between ISKON and Bhakti Marga. I was moved by the authenticity of both sides (and there appear to be little differences). Thank you so much from someone who is drawn to all the podcasts and UA-cam videos with the Swami's from Bhakti Marga and Guru Paramahamsa Vishwananda. Until now I've been rather confused about the different teachings related to your God. You bring such clarity and even more intrigue. I continue to be inspired. Thank you and Bless you 🙏
ishwananda & the consequences of controlling others to believe he is GOD. Bhakti Marga, the ‘Just Love’ cult that has no clue what love is.
Love is feeling in the heart. But it is also a deep respect for others and a wish not to hurt them. This is absent in Vishwananda. Here is the proof.
Just like a good spiritual narcissist, a normal homosexual guru man managed to manipulate the energies/emotions and convince his followers that he was an avatar of God, Vishnu. Because of their love and devotion, they did everything he said and gave all their energy, creativity, power, lifeforce away to him, thereby losing their lives and their empowerment - maybe never even knowing it had happened.
Would you consider that a spiritual crime?
Vishwananda is a homosexual self-proclaimed guru that has been accused of coercing young men into sex against their full will, whether they were homosexual or not, ever since 2008.
He is able to coerce young men because they believe he is God. For a long time, Miles Witt, a heterosexual man, spoke out into the internet alone, not really being heard. Eventually, I came along and interviewed him and another man, and it was published online.
We know there are many more who do not come forward because they are afraid. We have spoken to them.
Many people are always afraid. And that is why they never come forward. That is why only a few of us speak.
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Maltimanjari Dasi approached me on behalf of her guru at the Jiva Institute in Vrindavan to find out if the allegations were true, and she tells me that she then obtained some of her own private testimonials through her own research. She was focused on doing this to serve her guru rather than for the purposes of telling the world.
This is what she wrote to me when I wanted to show her more private recordings:
“Dear …, my guru is already convinced of the evidence I am constantly sending him… I am also in contact with a family from Switzerland who wants to leave.
They are very much afraid of the karmic reactions and the anger of the Swami, which they also personally experienced…
I have already sent him the recording that I made myself and he heard the others. I don’t really think he needs more evidence since the matter is clear to me.”
If a mainstream journalist publishes this information, more people will likely come forward.
Vishwananda has publically lied about having sex with men when asked. We know he is a normal person because we have heard personal accounts as to how he behaves privately, especially in the early days. We heard that he has sexual urges and behaviors similar to any person that likes to watch strippers, for example.
Here is another testimonial from a French man (that is not Matthieu - it is a different man) who does not wish to show his name, but we have heard his recording, and we have it. It is translated from French (not my translation):
I massaged the whole body. He quickly proposed to be naked while I massage and he also promptly asked me to massage around sex. Not necessarily on sex but around sex. And then there were several given moments when there were nonverbal pressures; Once again I did not have the eyes to see at that time, and too much naiveté … Nonverbal pressures, touching, with … Before we go any further, that was where, in place that you have massaged and that he was naked? It was at the ashram (Springen). The first times it was on a place of pilgrimage. The ashram, it was in his bungalow is that? Yes, in his bungalow, and it was at night, between 1am and 3am - 4am. He said people did not go to bed before. It was night, most of the time.
Interviewer: And how did you react when he asked you if he could be naked?
For me it was shocking. But in fact I trusted him. I had total confidence in him. So I had no doubt that it was going to be fine; Is it in connection with what is called the “surrender” abandonment, letting go, trust in the Master?
Interviewer: Did these teachings influence you?
It influenced me, yes. And his physical state, when he was naked, were there any particular expressions of his body? Yes, he was erect sometimes. Yes. Reactions, obviously … He was erect, yes. He asked me to massage his belly, to massage around sex. He asked me once at the end, the last time I massaged him …
In fact he was even very explicit, very clear in his expressions. He took my hand to put it on his cock, on his testicles. There I could not doubt anymore. And I was very shocked indeed, especially since I had already expressed to him that I had no attraction for men. And there was even one time I had said that. He even told me that anyway he would never have asked me to massage him if I had been homosexual … here…
Interviewer: And you what did you feel? Did you feel a healing power or spiritual work that was taking place on you during these practices?
I felt a lot of trouble. I needed explanations. I did not dare to ask because I did not feel his permission, I did not allow myself to do it. I was waiting somewhere for explanations, to explain to me how it worked in the unmanifest, the invisible, or what was happening at the karmic level. There was no explanation. I really would have liked to be explained but here it is. I came to understand that it was bluffing. In any case, there was a graduation that made me mistrust little by little until I had no doubt about the fact that I was being manipulated.
…He claims to be a swami, a renouncer; Normally renunciates, that … gives up … to sexuality, to food (specific diet without onions, garlic, or others). Often it is justified by the fact that he is the incarnation of God on Earth, that he is beyond all things, that he is his Leela, his Maya, and that he does what he wants. We can not understand … Have you ever heard such explanations, lessons?
The second time I massaged it, I think; And he told me … he was very clear .. he said to me, “I am above everything.” He was very clear. There I was very shocked by the way. I was certainly outraged by this “low-end immunity”, and at the same time there was this fascination that was still there and I did not have the lucidity to leave…
…It’s interesting to see that on the one hand, he is above all, that he is God, and therefore he is omnipotent, and on the other hand one often hears from Bhakti Marga that he needs to this, of sexuality with men. That otherwise “he would disembody.” We have also spoken of “sexual karma”: that it “would burn supposedly sexual karma.” But we can ask ourselves questions: Why only men, and not women? And darshan, that would not be enough (to burn sexual karma)? And if he is God, does he need these practices? Why not just a blessing? These are questions that are interesting to ask. Because on their side, at BM, they try to justify these actions.
At first, they try to hide them, and when it becomes too obvious to some people, they try to justify them;
And the justifications that are reported are troubling to a rational and reasonable person. The fact that some people are (potential or suspected) victims of sexual assault, some of whom may be potentially minors (under 18), can not be justified by the fact that, in my opinion, either Krishna or an incarnation of Krishna or God on Earth, and does not put him beyond the justice of men and of earthly justice. And why would this be hidden? He claims to be a Swami …”
“On the one hand, he asks a lot of things to people: to give him their soul, to give him their money: to contribute even … physically … But on the other hand him who he really is, and what he does. That’s what’s shocking and shocking from my point of view. There are families who are divorcing, separating. There are people selling their homes to become renunciants. “
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Myself, once when I was at Bhakti Marga, I heard a Swamini from France (Swamini Godavari) saying to a person who was in retreat; “listen, now you are a renunciant. If I ask you to give me your house and put all your belongings on the table, you will have to do it,” and the person said “oh yes? And how would I live?”
She replied, “you would do like birds; you would live on faith, and in faith that God cares for you.”
And on the other side, we ask for a lot of financial investment from people. Vishwananda has a fairly luxurious lifestyle: helicopter trip; he is offered very nice cars … And he asks retired people, or fragile psychologically… to squander their inheritance or their savings, leaving aside their children, their training, etc. . People whose children felt helpless made suicide attempts. I think of Roshnee’s daughter, who has a suicide attempt. And when Roshnee told VS, he laughed and said to his daughter, “oh … but why did you do that?” It’s troubling. But on the spot, we are taught not to judge … everything is a Leela…
When one becomes devout, ie the first degree of commitment, devotion, or brahmachari, he asks us for a percentage … 10%. 10% of his income. People are signing a contract now, those who are initiated brahmachari or devotees: It has changed. There is a contract today, that you sign. And you give your RIB (Bank Statement of Identity). In this contract, you commit to giving 10% of your income and you make transfers.
The respect present in this conversation is refreshing. 🙏
Jai Gurudev, thank you Swami for - as always - inspiring insights 🙏
Jai Gurudev!
Thanks a lot for this amazing conversation! Such a joy to feel this deep respect of the brothers - vaishnavas and such a gratitude to Swami ji for highlighting some really important things.
🙏🙏Pranam!
Respectful and friendly conversation. Entertaing too! I learnt so much even about my organization Bhakti Marga. Funny that in Africa African Hindus are often assumed to be Iskonites...
I knew nothing about this sanyassi but just started watching this and am so glad I did! Narasimha is walking the walk! Jai Sri Radhe ❤
Hare Krishna....❤ JUST LOVE ♥️
Sri Vitthala Giridhari Parabramane Namaha my LORD KRISHNA ❤️
Amazing Video!
I am happy to see that both of side is respect and they just see The unity! I Love this video! And You are really be example for every religion ! 🙏
Thank You 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I find Swami Revatikanta intelligent and profound. Thank you for inviting him. Loved the interview.
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
Sri Swami Vishwananda successfully challenged false allegations by Hessischer Rundfunk. The court ruled in his favor, and even Der Spiegel acknowledged the mistakes.
There is no rules to form a Sampradaya: the goal of a Sampradaya is to awake love and service to Lord Krishna, what seems Vishwananda is doing better than any other Guru in the world... he is very difficult to understand, that is why is a Paramahamsa
@@KrsnaBhagavan No rules to form a sampradaya? There are only 4 bonafide Vaishnava Sampradayas: Brahma, Rudra, Lakshmi and Kumara, each one properly represented in this age of kali. No human being can create a sampradaya. And it is not true that this fake guru was able to challenge the sexual abuse allegations. Yes, he is a rich gay guy able to pay the best lawyers in the world. Wake up people, and get shelter from a real sadhu, not from a cheater who dresses as a woman and is just a lusty human being
@@julio801-jambavandas2your last phrase shows your real personality. You need therapy and look inside yourself instead of pointing fingers.
I pray that you may know the real love of god without judgment and prejudice.
Jai Gurudev
@@dahfiyah79 Do not kill the messanger. You are the one who needs therapy if you think that is ok to follow and worship an agent of kali, someone who sexually abused his own male "disciples". It is not a sin to call a thief a thief. I also pray for you to realize the true nature of Vishwavanda. Sooner or later the whole world will know it, same thing that happened with Sai Baba and other demons (see the BBC documentary). Wake up!
Hare Krishna
Another wonderful podcast, so nice to see such respectful exchanges of thoughts and idea as to how to make people more God Conscious.
As always thank you for sharing
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
I've heard these claims before, but according to the Süddeutsche Zeitung article "Ein Guru vor Gericht," Sri Swami Vishwananda successfully challenged false allegations made by Hessischer Rundfunk, media ruled by evangelical church. The court ruled in his favor, finding the accusations to be baseless. Even major media outlets like Der Spiegel recognized the mistakes in the original reporting of HR.
About Sampradaya's thing... Vishwananda's message is simple: "just love God." He's inspired countless people to deepen their devotion to Lord Krishna. What is a Sampradaya if not a system to provide to people a loving-servitude relationship to Lord Narayana? Many have experienced remarkable events around him, suggesting he might be more than just a regular human being.
@@KrsnaBhagavan These experiences does not mean anything, people have amazing experiences with shamans, and some mystics, nothing to do with a real spiritual experience. The allegations are many, investigate a little more.
Amazing conversation among Devotees ❤ Spread the Love of God ❤❤❤❤❤
R@pe survivor of Viswananda shares his story here: ua-cam.com/video/hpfGurN6aCU/v-deo.html
There was a Germany documentary called -the crimes of vishwananda of bhakti-marga documentary which was here on youtube, but their followers managed to remove it from youtube to protect their false prophet who loves to ** his male disciples
Thank you very much! very insightful podcast, love the speakers and questions. Hare Krishna
Just love. Hare Krsna . Jay Gurudeva 🦚❤️🙏
Jai Gurudev,
Just finished watching the podcasts, thank you each one of you for sharing. Very insightful and respectful but also very loving.
Your guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth.
Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 hey as*hole, go spread hate in your house you “Peace of” chit
Lol what joy u get by spamming the same comment?@@vivashvanbhushan3422
I don't think he is offensive; I think he is just being himself. I've never heard of him putting Shaligrams in his mouth. In the contrary, I seen him paying great respect for Shaligrams, and inspired thousands of devotees to worship Lord Narayana in all His forms.
Finally with Tilak! Thanks in advance for the interview. Hare Krsna
@@manudasFPS i think every path towards God should be respected. All blessings.
Happy this episode is finally out!! So refreshing to have this open exchange without judgement. The path to God is through openness and sincere curiosity, and it's up to us to focus on differences or on what unite us. But if we focus on the differences and create separation as a result, no point in complaining about the state of the world, if we cannot even see eye to eye in minor topics.
Very nice to see different stances from IsKcon and Bhakti Marga on different topics!
ua-cam.com/video/hpfGurN6aCU/v-deo.html
This interview answered so much of my questions and gave so much of clarity.... thank you ❤️
Such an awesome interview! We have so much in common and so much to share. Jai Gurudev, Hare Krishna, Radhe Radhe❤
Thank you very much. I really liked it.
Jai Gurudev!
Happy to see such a respectful conversation between vaishnavas 🙏🏼
And of course I’m personally proud of my Guru-bhay, Swamiji 😍
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
Very good point of categorizing life into three portions: ideal, permissible and prohibited. Sounds organic and reminds me of Ayurvedic approach to diet according to our dosas. There are foods one can take without problem, those one can eat from time to time and those one must avoid as much as possible. It's gentle, not suffocating.
Loved the video, so informative and respectful ❤ thank you
JAIGURUDEV
It was such an enriching podcast truly!.❤❤❤❤❤
Jaigurudev Swami Revitikananda amazing open and beautiful conversation thank you both❤Reason that we can inspired each other by saintly/spir/ persons is so beautiful ❤️
Its Just LOVE ♥️
Hare Krsna! 🙏🏾Thank You for such a thoughtful and open conversation. I have been wondering about Bhakti Marga for quite some time. It is so beautiful to see Vaisnavas from different Sampradayas dialoguing with one another. This interview also reconfirmed in my heart that I am on the right path for me as an aspiring Guadiya Vaisnava, follower of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and our precious Srila Prabhupada 🙏🏾🌹🌹🌹 Thank You so much for inviting Swami Revatikanta to the podcast.
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own. Why you invite followers of a kali chela having so many real vaishnavas to interview?
@@julio801-jambavandas2this channel is lost promoting such deviants
Their guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth.
Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 there are many more red flags
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 Exactly, it's absolutely unfounded, and the audacity to claim a connection to the Sampradaya is astonishing. People can be so naive. Before enrolling in a school for material education, they thoroughly evaluate its credentials, yet when it comes to spirituality, their discernment seems to vanish. There's no critical analysis of who is genuinely following the scriptures versus who is merely dressed like a sadhu, preaching a deceptive form of dharma."
Sb 7.15.13
vidharmaḥ para-dharmaś ca
ābhāsa upamā chalaḥ
adharma-śākhāḥ pañcemā
dharma-jño ’dharmavat tyajet
Religious principles that obstruct one from following his own religion are called vidharma. Religious principles introduced by others are called para-dharma. A new type of religion created by one who is falsely proud and who opposes the principles of the Vedas is called upadharma. And interpretation by one’s jugglery of words is called chala-dharma.
Nice energy and respectful inquiry. Good one Prabhus!
A very very interesting conversation and view on what actually happens in Bhakti Marga thank you very much for this podcast really loved it
Thanks!
Thank you for this constructive and insightful conversation 🙏🏽
Jai Gurudev!
What an amazing loving and respectful conversation!
Wishing all Vaishnavs in the world be living with such respect to each other! 🙏🏼
Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu
Om Shanti Shani Shanti
Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah
Hari Om
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
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About your comments:
yat tu krtsnavad ekasmin karye saktam
ahaitukam |
atattvarthavad alpam ca tat tamasam udährtam || 22 ||
But that knowledge which is not based on reason, which clings to one single idea as if it were everything, which is Truth and therefore limited, that knowledge is declared to be tamasic. (BG 18.22)
@@yaraulcay true, and because of this and many other reasons Vishwavandha is a tamasik subhuman being, sexual deviant, not a sadhu at all
@@julio801-jambavandas2Generally, in order not to disturb those who desire and opt to be cheated, we should try to see the good done and represented by even those who appear to misrepresent bhakti in various ways. At the end of the day, what would those who want to be cheated do, if cheaters weren´t available? 🤓
@@yaraulcay your quote does not have anything to do with the serious allegations of sexual abuse from this fake guru, and with the fact that he is worshiped as God himself, etc.
❤❤❤ beautiful, intelligent and inspiring. Jai Gurudev
Jai gurudev ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 amazing exchange 🤍
such an interesting podcast! lovely to see brothers from Iskcon and Bhakti marga talking so nicely, You are inspiration for all of us to be kind to each other. Thank You!
Love the openess in sharing
Thank you for the nice discussions to all persons present here. Interesting point about Mirabai. I’ve found commonality in that our acharyas have included Mirabai’s songs such as “Ali Mohe Lage” in the Gaudiya Giti Gucca, a compilation of songs in line with the Gaudiya mood compiled by Srila Bhakti Prajnana Keshava Goswami Maharaja over 100 years ago. I hope we can continue to magnify what is unifying amongst all on this great path 🙏
I am told that the original GGG didnt have that song. But it did have one song by Mirabhai called "Baso Mere" -- so your point still stands.
I am very grateful that I was introduced to Srila Prabhupada as the world acarya, and the tattva siddhanta he has given us Goloka Vrndavana.
All the Gauras are good. Credit to India for allowing devotees from any race creed or nation.
yes you should be gratefeul with His Divive Grace who said that we have the duty to see who is deviating. With his teaching and example we can easily see how this Vishwavanda is a kali chela, an agent of kali, taking advantage of naive not well informed followers. Hare Krishna! Jay Prabhupada!
The issue is the bhakti marga devotees are following sri vaishnavism more closely than the gaudiyas follow madvacharya.
@@AA-nn7eh you have to be kiding or you are ignorant about vaishnava traditions. No bonafide line will have a pretender like Vishwavanda as the acharya. A deviant lusty sexual abuser. Blind people following an asura and going with him to hell
@@AA-nn7eh They are not, because their so called guru is a gay guy who dresses as a rich Indian lady, and who was accused by several of his male followers of sexually abused them. So, the blind following the blind, and all together will go to hell. The guy lies about his past and does not belong to any sampradaya, this is why he had to create his own. You don´t have a clue about real vaishnavas following Madhvacarya and Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Get informed, and wake up!
Swami Revatikanta ji is awesome.
amazing conversation
Excellent interview😇
Hare Krishna
Thank you for the podcast ❤
Jai Gurudev! Jai Sri Ram! Jai Radhe Shyam! Haribooool 😍🙏
Guru brahma
Guru Visnu
Guru devo Maheshwara
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Interesting conversation
Hare krishna
Jai gurudev❤
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Don't fall for false accusions or you will miss it many things ❤❤
Just love ❣️
Hare krishna
As always Namarasji you have had the courage and the curiosity.. Revatikaantha is a delicious person, I have listened to him quite a bit and I wish him success in his sincere endeavor to serve Hari.
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
@@julio801-jambavandas2 I dare believe Revatikaantha has not abused anyone. He is a bright sincere young man and he has earned my respect and affection. In our movement too maltreatment and abuse have been catastrophically rampant. May everyone prevail and prosper in the love for Godhead.
@@emmanuellaperron3517 we know his guru did it, this is why his initiation does not have any value
If he is sincere he should reject this cheater and take shelter of a bonafide sadhu
@@julio801-jambavandas2I see, you question his sincerity and therefore seem to have not a single shred of appreciation for his efforts in this regard. Ok your prerogative.
@@emmanuellaperron3517if someone is sincere Krishna will make the arrangement for him to find a real guru, not a cheater
Jai Gurudev very informative 👏 🎉❤
super captivating discussion, and i wish more of the same would happen - not only between sampradayas, but within the gaudiya family alone, it would be so refreshing if more discussion could take place with a more neutral tone, such as this. gaudiya family feels very divisive to me at present, and to be honest i wish from the very beginning i could have learned more basic things about where the different persepectives diverge and converge. why not go ahead and establish what the various teachings are and share that with others so that all is very clear and one can be guided accordingly, based on their own sincerity. rather than “disturbing one’s faith“ (as is often emphasized in gaudiya family not to “go here and there“) for many sadhakas the effect is opposite and actually reinforces sincere and humble inquiry. is that not the kind of inquiry, the kind of soul-searching that led us somewhere to begin with? ❤ Gaura Hari Bol
When one speaks about whatever from "the past" one has to realise where "the past" actually takes place.
I love it, thanks very much!❤
Hare krsna ❤ nice interview.
Great podcast prabhuji-s
Thank you so much for this open mindedness!
A lot of new information although I m in Bhakti Marga for 6 years now!
Anupam was devotee of Lord Ram.
Vaishnavas understand the “hierarchy” but fully accept all devotees of the Lord in whichever Avatar.
Because someone really relishes something it is natural to favor and preach it. Knocking down other aspects is because Raja Guna affects us in Bhumi Loka because of the guna graha. So one who isn’t trying to elevate from the 3 modes will start to compare in a materialistic way.
Vishwavanda is a gay guy who sexually abused several of his male followers, lied about his past, does not belong to any sampradaya, and dresses as a rich Indian lady. He is not any kind of vaishnava.
My personal thoughts being a devotee of Swami Vishwananda, reading some comments: In today’s world, especially in the age of social media, it’s crucial to apply critical thinking rather than simply parroting what a few voices in forums say just to fit in.
Being part of extreme opinion groups or echo chambers is a widespread issue today. We’ve lost the ability to think independently, instead redirecting attention away from our own flaws by mindlessly repeating what others say. It’s easier to mimic like NPCs than to engage in genuine critical thinking, which is rare these days. This so-called “bravery” is mostly expressed behind keyboards, especially in comment sections when others can see this opinion.
Over the years, I’ve encountered only two instances where someone privately asked me critical questions about my Master. Interestingly, whenever I posted something positive or shared a personal experience, nobody questioned it. But when a negative or extreme opinion arises, people quickly adopt it without hesitation or take accusations immediately as absolute proof.
Throughout the years, I’ve come across many negative articles about ISKCON, including some disturbing content just yesterday. However, I’ve never felt the impulse to flood comment sections with criticism. Bhakti Marga devotees, guided by the teachings of Swami Vishwananda, are not inclined to criticize others. Personally, after 10 years on this path, I feel secure and content in my conviction, and these negative opinions do not sway me. Why do you think am I convinced? Also nobody is really interested.
The urge to point fingers often stems from insecurity in one’s own path or an attraction to extreme negativity. Despite knowing about certain issues within ISKCON, I don’t feel compelled to attack their members. Instead, I genuinely wish them well on their spiritual journey and hope they attain Krishna Prema in this life.
On my channel, I’ve shared numerous positive experiences with Swami Vishwananda, yet these are often ignored in favor of negative accusations. Thousands of positive accounts exist, but not once in 10 years has anyone asked me about these experiences. This highlights how our minds gravitate toward negativity and drama rather than seeking the truth, especially if it challenges preconceived notions. Many prefer to stay within their thought bubbles, where they feel comfortable, rather than think independently.
Unfortunately, this is the sickness of social media today-critical thinking is a rarity. Seeing this kind of behavior in Vaishnavism, I am not surprised that we are so divided. We speak about attaining Krishna Prema, yet we do very little to see others as our god-brothers and sisters. Instead, we focus on pointing out each other's flaws.
Why aren't we asking these questions within our traditions: Has your bhakti grown? Has your relationship with God deepened? Are you experiencing more positivity in your life? Has your longing for God increased?
I would confidently answer: Yes.
This demonstrates that the method I practice has the most valuable effect-it brings me closer to God.
These are essential questions we should be concerned with if we are truly interested in the growth of humanity because a Vaishnava is someone who tries to see Krishna in everyone and understands that God has placed them exactly where they are meant to be.
Critical thinking involves asking questions such as: Am I considering the whole picture? Have I spoken personally to a long-term devotee? Have I thoroughly explored the philosophy of the movement? Have I listened to the many positive experiences? Is my opinion biased by mostly reading the opinions of those outside of Bhakti Marga? Have I ever met Swami Vishwananda and formed my own experience?
When we say "multiple people said this," how many is "multiple"? Is it 2, 3, 4, or more? How many are saying positive things on the other side? Are they more or less? Do I consciously ignore negative aspects within my own organization while pointing out only the 'faults' of other organizations?
The most important question: Is my opinion driven by a desire to know the truth and help, or simply by a desire to be right? Because the first option includes the possibility that our opinions might change, and we may need to admit that we could be wrong or that our approach to acquiring knowledge is based only on hearsay and has no solid foundation.
Do I do this for the sake just to critisizing or out of generous compassion to find the truth? And now we need to be really sincere with ourself in finding our true motivation why we have the urge to constantly bash Bhakti Marga. If it’s done just purely out of egoism then ask yourself, if this really is a service to Krishna.
Your guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth.
Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 Putting Tulsi on His feet is not done for a long time. And I find it funny how this enrages the community again in such a way. On the other side, Mother Tulsi is used as Tulsi Vinegar, as tea, as a powder for medicine, as drops, as skincare!, as a face pack, as a shampoo, as hair oil, as Tulsi Juice, as incense sticks, as toothpaste etc. - I do not see the big enrage in front of the factories who produce these Tulsi products which people use to clean themselves.
But when devotees have put out of Love Tulsi in the past on the Lotus Feet of an enlightened Being, the enrage is big. Funny contrast of what is being accepted and something that is not accepted. And the others is not a magic trick but a sign of Love to strengthen the faith of the devotees. He doesnt do it in public.
I know people from other traditions who despite chanting for 20 years when they have been asked if they have faith that Krishna hears the prayers, they could not answer with confidence: YES. But simple devotees of Swami Vishwananda who are maybe even shortly on the path, they can with sureness answer, Yes, God is listening. So the only intention is to strengthen the faith and not a Magic Trick as you here say.
I agree that social media is its own beast, but tensions are predictably bound to flare up if there are vagaries around siddhanta, particularly that of guru tattva and isvara tattva. By this I don't mean advocating for this or that person as guru or who is or isn't the "pure devotee" by dint of institution, or defining a category by its poorest example, but rather I am talking about the epistemological means that one determines categories, such as guru and isvara. It is literally the grammar that frames critical thinking. Probably one of the core tenets one will encounter in coming to gaudiya vaisnavism are clear definitions about the distinctions between jiva and isvara, or the living entity and God. Amongst this is the very particular understanding that the bonafide guru establishes themselves as God's servant, and abhors the notion of being God. Inasmuch as personalism is at the core of bhakti, determining the jiva as categorically different to the isvara is the primary frame that distinguishes personalism from impersonalism. In otherwords this issue determines whether one is going to critically think as a personalist, or critically think as an impersonalist. This is not some minor side detail. This insistence on a clear distinction between personalism and impersonalism is probably the most consistent talking point of the past 150 years of gaudiya vaisvana acharyas (and can even be found in the direct vani of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and even warrants considerable output from rupa and jiva gosvami). Just to reiterate, how one uses tulasi determines how one understands these categories of isvara and jiva. Putting tulasi on the feet of a guru is showing how one understands these categories, and is not something flippant like the use of tulasi in medicine or cosmetics (for the record, staunch vaisnavas consider even the use of tulasi in medicines as a type of offense. At the very least, ACB Swami Prabhupada was very particular not to use such medicines, and he is not alone in this determination).
So of course, when there is this gross or blind neglect of consensus on category, it is bound to spill out in vitriol. It is just like a man and woman getting married without sharing a prior consensus on what the definition of "fidelity" means. In other words, advancing further into the arena (such as lofty discussions about bhakti, parampara etc) is just going to meet with predictable catastrophe and resistance if there is no consensus on the activities that the arena frames (ie no consensus on how the categories behind the principles of bhakti are defined). There may be great discussions about love between the two newly-weds, but if there is no consensus on how fidelity secures the arena of marriage, it is all moot, and just grist for the mill of some larger catastrophic disagreement down the line.
Well pointed out.
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 For the devotees, Lord Krishna seems to be shining through the Guru, that is why they offer Tulsi. I heard in their morning prayers a testimonial from one of his Rishis, who, during darshan with Vishwananda, had a vision of Maha Vishnu, Lakshmi, and Mahavatar Babaji. You can find it here:
ua-cam.com/video/lLcnAHjFEI0/v-deo.html
I think it's important to be cautious when judging Vaishnavas in general. I wouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly. While I wouldn't say he is Lord Krishna, I believe he is undoubtedly a high soul, and I'm sure we don't fully understand what he is doing. Also I see many people jumping into Sanathana Dharma because of him
Haribol! Very interesting, thanks 🙏
Wonderful
Hare Krisna ❤
waiting for this collab jai gurudev jai shree krishna
Much respect to ALL "bona fide" vaisnavas and vaisnava sampradayas and paramparas. Personally for me i haven't, in the 35 plus years of my interaction and experience with ISKCON (initiation, living in asrama as a monk, and then years of continued association in other meaningful ways) even begun to surrender to srila prabhupada, what to speak of other vaisnava teachers and vaisnnava teachings. So although i offer my sincere regards to all vaisnava practitioners (in fact ALL sincere seekers of the supreme truth, whatever pious path they may be on), i will spend the rest of this lifetime trying to understand and practice even a fraction of what srila prabhupada first blessed me with knowing (via his books and teachings overall) way back in the mid-1980s!
Perhaps in a future episode, a guest from the traditional ramanuja or madhva or nimbarka sampradyas could be interviewed.
I strongly agree,there is a huge lack of vaishnavas talking with other sampradayas (mostly because only iskon does outreach these days). It would be interesting to see the nuanced points of difference
Jai Gurudev
Swami ji is real follower of sanatan Dharma
❤ beautiful 🙏
Har Har Mahadev!!! Jai Ma Durga!!! Hare Krishna!!! ❤️❤️❤️🕉️🕉️🕉️🔯🔯🔯
That's why Sanatan is eternal bcz our gurus has always been contemporary in nature.. Tuning their realization with current times needs.. That's why we says, gurus are not in the past or future... Guru is always in present and they are always contemporary in nature.
They do not do things on their whims... They do these new things, new practices bcz those are what currently needed in contemporary times as per their beloved disciples. They always bring those flavours to bring more people into self realization or say Bhakti.
Jai Gurudev.
Problem is that his so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own. This does not have anything to do with sanatan dharma. Get informer, or just look at the face of this gay guy, and the way he dresses. Wake up!
Jai Gurudev, thank you for this very informative and open exchange.❤ We should focus on God and not on what separates us.
@madhavsinghsodhi1614 Kriya Yoga in bhakti marga is absolutely compatible with bhakti, when yoga is practiced for the purpose of self-realization, it could be said that it is not directly in favour of bhakti. On the other hand, in atma kriya yoga, the situation is the opposite, the sole purpose of it's practice is cittasuddhi which leads through Bhagavan kripa to ananyā-bhakti. The goal is only bhakti and therefore cannot be incompatible according to the Vaishnava acharyas. you can't make claim without understanding the teachings of Paramahamsa Vishwananda as a whole.
Secondly, the claim that there is a contradiction in having a path called Bhakti Marga while being an offshoot of the Sri Vaishnava Sampradaya, is also confusing. What Sripad Ramanujacharya calls bhakti is a kind of upasana based on the upanisadic vidyas and, as such, practised only by dvijas (twice-born) because of the impossibility of access to the Veda for non-dvijas and women. For the Sri Vaishnava, bhakti is therefore a specific path based on Upasana, which boils down to a pure vision of Bhagavān at the complexion of the process. This is a specific use of the term on their part, being an offshoot of the same tradition does not necessitate using the term in the same way. Ramanandis, which are also an offshoot of Sri Vasihnavism, does not follow the terminology either. On the other hand, what Sri Vaishnava call Saranagati is really what we in Bhakti Marga and other Vaishnava tradtions like Gaudiya, nimbarkis... call bhakti marga, i.e. the practice of navadha-Bhakti alongside the sadanga of saranagati. Therefore here also there's no contradiction.
The parampara is simple in Hari Bhakta's sampradaya. It begins with Paramahamsa Vishwananda, just as the Gaudiya Vaishnvism begins with Mahaprabhu (the connection to the madhva having been correctly set aside by followers of Mahaprabhu themself). Through initiation, Paramahamsa Vishwananda's lineage goes far back into the Sri Vaishnava tradition. If you or others find problems with Sri Vaishnava Guru's paramampara as presented, you can approach them directly, the sampradaya that Jagananda says it refutes is simply the sampradaya that the initiating acaryas of Sri Vaishnava gave as their own.
The tilak is specific to the Bhakti marga and at the same time includes elements from different Vaishnava Sampradaya, such as the Tulsi leaf, the dot, Lakshmi churna, etc. It perfectly reflects Paramahamsa Vishwananda's vision of offering a teaching that unifies the Vaishnava rather than dividing them.
Thank you for this podcast! It's indeed a great discussion and it's very nice to see that there can be great discussions between sampradaya. I hope to see more of them in the future. 🙏
@@Rishivrishaparvaananda Vishvananda and his camp directly violates the very essential principles of Shri Ramanuja parampara.
Worship of a human as Narayan is forbidden. Opening a supermarket of devatAntaras is forbidden, what to speak of including the mleccha sai baba into it. The intent is very clear, include all kinds of mumbo jumbo, so as to trap any kind of 'customer'.
There can be no worse offence than making Shri Ramanuja, who preached the highest essence of Sanatan Dharma, ie, Saranagati to Narayan, sit at the feet of some missing yogi at the alter. The least you could have done is made them sit side by side.
@@aditshukla That's because you don't see that sampradayas are essentially an amalgam of two elements: one fundamental principle and the other traditional. In the case of Sri Vaishnavism, the fundamental principle is simply: Shreeman Narayana is the Avatari, Sharanagti is the path to reach Bhagavan, it is a path where Bhagavan Himself (by His grace) is the path, our own efforts are simply there to show our will in the mood of karpayam and the philosophy is visista-dvaita. Can you tell me how Paramahamsa Vishwananda preaches anything different? Have you read His books? If you have, you will see that the fundamental teachings are identical. Of course, the traditional elements are not followed because Bhakti Marga is not established in Tamil Nadu. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we don't do things differently, we have our own Smapradaya for a reason. I'm just saying that we are much closer to Sri Vaishnavism in our practice than any Gaudiya will ever be to Madhvacharya in term of philopshy and practice.
First of all, you should see that regarding the guru as a normal human being is one of the main aparadhas that your own siddhanta constantly maintains. Of course, the guru can be seen as an Avatara in Sri Vaishnavism, as the example of Pillai Lokacarya, seen as a direct manifestation of Varadaraja Swamy, clearly shows.
Secondly, regarding your statement about it being offensive to have Ramanuja Acharya at the feet of Mahavarata Babaji, you should see that Mahavatara Babaji is considered to be JagatGuru, the great acharyas all met Him at one time, Adi Shankaracharya and Ramanuja included, you can accept it or not, but you cannot consider it offensive. You can simply choose not to accept it, and that's perfectly fine but that's the tradition. Again, why not just accept simple things like what your beloved Lord says:
tṛṇād api su-nīcena
taror iva sahiṣṇunā
amāninā māna-dena
kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ
@@aditshukla His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
@@Rishivrishaparvaananda His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
Two newspapers, Der Spiegel and Wiesbadener Kurier, reported that the main media corporation made a significant mistake by relying on the rumors of a man who, after allegedly being abused, attempted suicide. The media did not verify the information and published the accusations, which led to a government investigation. This investigation revealed that the so-called "victim" denied the accusations and subsequently took legal action against the media corporation HR for publishing unfounded allegations. Julio please inform yourself before spamming everywhere. Media in germany is ruled by evangelical church. Do your math
In India, similar cohesion among various Vaishnav sampradayas is being popularly propounded by Swami Hit-Premanand Ji Maharaj, mainly motivating general public towards Chanting Hari-Naam.
Subjects around parampara are an advanced subject matter, behind layers of core principles to vaisnavism, eg the means by which one recognises divinity (ie determining who is isvara and who is jiva). If there is no consensus around such core principles, there is no point trying to draw a conversation around points of equivalence that are further down the road (such as topics about the practical application of parampara etc). It is like trying to have a discussion about calculus when there is no agreement about principles of algebra.
Bhaktimarg has radically different views on visnu tattva. They accept their guru, paramahamsa sri swami vishwananda, as a direct incarnation of the self-same Lord Krsna that spoke the gita to Arjuna. From what I have gleaned from Swami Revatikanta, the basis for asserting this are "mystical" experiences of yogic feats, witnessed by his disciples (such as experiences of bliss, bewilderment etc arising from directly taking vishwananda's darsana). There is some allusion to this being something like experiencing the universal form, as per arjuna's experience in the gita. Interestingly, revatikanta stated elsewhere that one has to qualified (with the eyes of devotion?) to see this (which is a stark difference to arjuna's experience, where despite being unqualified to see the universal form, Krsna gave him the eyes to see the universal form).
I am not fully up to speed with the contemporary status quo of the Sri Sampradaya, but I suspect Bhakti Marg is playing it quite free and loose with the Sampradaya's tenets. At the very least, gaudiya vaisnavism has a different epistemological basis for recognizing visnu tattva (guru, sadhu sastra). The guru is esteemed on the strength of being "Krsna das", not "Krsna". ACBSP says plenty of harsh things in this regard, so there is no need for me to repeat them.
I am not saying this for the sake of some sectarian jab. I am saying this because being unclear about it just causes confusion and turmoil, or even worse, a sort of superficiality. Fair enough we live in a multi-faith world and we all have to live with our differences, but good fences make good neighbours. Taking the neo-hindu deep dive into syncretism just errodes the qualities that define categories. I don't know whether namarasa was a bit poorly informed before having this conversation, or if Revatikanta was being a bit duplicitous in avoiding the elephant in the room (he is quite familiar with Iskcon's core principles), but I think the discussion went totally in the wrong direction, simply for what it omitted to touch on.
Excellent analysis. It's unfortunate that Namarasa Dasa lacks such discernment and invites individuals from apasampradaya groups to the platform. Bhakti Marga has no genuine connection with the Sri Sampradaya. What they are engaging in is cultural appropriation. They merely adopt the symbols of Sri Vaishnavism while worshipping all sorts of Mayavadi gurus. They even have a museum glorifying these Mayavadi figures, which no true Vaishnava guru would ever endorse. What's more troubling is that their guru has been accused of abusing many boys, and this is well-documented.
@@ayiruskan8016 Vishwananda & the consequences of controlling others to believe he is GOD. Bhakti Marga, the ‘Just Love’ cult that has no clue what love is.
Love is feeling in the heart. But it is also a deep respect for others and a wish not to hurt them. This is absent in Vishwananda. Here is the proof.
Just like a good spiritual narcissist, a normal homosexual guru man managed to manipulate the energies/emotions and convince his followers that he was an avatar of God, Vishnu. Because of their love and devotion, they did everything he said and gave all their energy, creativity, power, lifeforce away to him, thereby losing their lives and their empowerment - maybe never even knowing it had happened.
Would you consider that a spiritual crime?
Vishwananda is a homosexual self-proclaimed guru that has been accused of coercing young men into sex against their full will, whether they were homosexual or not, ever since 2008.
He is able to coerce young men because they believe he is God. For a long time, Miles Witt, a heterosexual man, spoke out into the internet alone, not really being heard. Eventually, I came along and interviewed him and another man, and it was published online.
We know there are many more who do not come forward because they are afraid. We have spoken to them.
Many people are always afraid. And that is why they never come forward. That is why only a few of us speak.
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Maltimanjari Dasi approached me on behalf of her guru at the Jiva Institute in Vrindavan to find out if the allegations were true, and she tells me that she then obtained some of her own private testimonials through her own research. She was focused on doing this to serve her guru rather than for the purposes of telling the world.
This is what she wrote to me when I wanted to show her more private recordings:
“Dear …, my guru is already convinced of the evidence I am constantly sending him… I am also in contact with a family from Switzerland who wants to leave.
They are very much afraid of the karmic reactions and the anger of the Swami, which they also personally experienced…
I have already sent him the recording that I made myself and he heard the others. I don’t really think he needs more evidence since the matter is clear to me.”
If a mainstream journalist publishes this information, more people will likely come forward.
Vishwananda has publically lied about having sex with men when asked. We know he is a normal person because we have heard personal accounts as to how he behaves privately, especially in the early days. We heard that he has sexual urges and behaviors similar to any person that likes to watch strippers, for example.
Here is another testimonial from a French man (that is not Matthieu - it is a different man) who does not wish to show his name, but we have heard his recording, and we have it. It is translated from French (not my translation):
I massaged the whole body. He quickly proposed to be naked while I massage and he also promptly asked me to massage around sex. Not necessarily on sex but around sex. And then there were several given moments when there were nonverbal pressures; Once again I did not have the eyes to see at that time, and too much naiveté … Nonverbal pressures, touching, with … Before we go any further, that was where, in place that you have massaged and that he was naked? It was at the ashram (Springen). The first times it was on a place of pilgrimage. The ashram, it was in his bungalow is that? Yes, in his bungalow, and it was at night, between 1am and 3am - 4am. He said people did not go to bed before. It was night, most of the time.
Interviewer: And how did you react when he asked you if he could be naked?
For me it was shocking. But in fact I trusted him. I had total confidence in him. So I had no doubt that it was going to be fine; Is it in connection with what is called the “surrender” abandonment, letting go, trust in the Master?
Interviewer: Did these teachings influence you?
It influenced me, yes. And his physical state, when he was naked, were there any particular expressions of his body? Yes, he was erect sometimes. Yes. Reactions, obviously … He was erect, yes. He asked me to massage his belly, to massage around sex. He asked me once at the end, the last time I massaged him …
In fact he was even very explicit, very clear in his expressions. He took my hand to put it on his cock, on his testicles. There I could not doubt anymore. And I was very shocked indeed, especially since I had already expressed to him that I had no attraction for men. And there was even one time I had said that. He even told me that anyway he would never have asked me to massage him if I had been homosexual … here…
Interviewer: And you what did you feel? Did you feel a healing power or spiritual work that was taking place on you during these practices?
I felt a lot of trouble. I needed explanations. I did not dare to ask because I did not feel his permission, I did not allow myself to do it. I was waiting somewhere for explanations, to explain to me how it worked in the unmanifest, the invisible, or what was happening at the karmic level. There was no explanation. I really would have liked to be explained but here it is. I came to understand that it was bluffing. In any case, there was a graduation that made me mistrust little by little until I had no doubt about the fact that I was being manipulated.
…He claims to be a swami, a renouncer; Normally renunciates, that … gives up … to sexuality, to food (specific diet without onions, garlic, or others). Often it is justified by the fact that he is the incarnation of God on Earth, that he is beyond all things, that he is his Leela, his Maya, and that he does what he wants. We can not understand … Have you ever heard such explanations, lessons?
The second time I massaged it, I think; And he told me … he was very clear .. he said to me, “I am above everything.” He was very clear. There I was very shocked by the way. I was certainly outraged by this “low-end immunity”, and at the same time there was this fascination that was still there and I did not have the lucidity to leave…
…It’s interesting to see that on the one hand, he is above all, that he is God, and therefore he is omnipotent, and on the other hand one often hears from Bhakti Marga that he needs to this, of sexuality with men. That otherwise “he would disembody.” We have also spoken of “sexual karma”: that it “would burn supposedly sexual karma.” But we can ask ourselves questions: Why only men, and not women? And darshan, that would not be enough (to burn sexual karma)? And if he is God, does he need these practices? Why not just a blessing? These are questions that are interesting to ask. Because on their side, at BM, they try to justify these actions.
At first, they try to hide them, and when it becomes too obvious to some people, they try to justify them;
And the justifications that are reported are troubling to a rational and reasonable person. The fact that some people are (potential or suspected) victims of sexual assault, some of whom may be potentially minors (under 18), can not be justified by the fact that, in my opinion, either Krishna or an incarnation of Krishna or God on Earth, and does not put him beyond the justice of men and of earthly justice. And why would this be hidden? He claims to be a Swami …”
“On the one hand, he asks a lot of things to people: to give him their soul, to give him their money: to contribute even … physically … But on the other hand him who he really is, and what he does. That’s what’s shocking and shocking from my point of view. There are families who are divorcing, separating. There are people selling their homes to become renunciants. “
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Myself, once when I was at Bhakti Marga, I heard a Swamini from France (Swamini Godavari) saying to a person who was in retreat; “listen, now you are a renunciant. If I ask you to give me your house and put all your belongings on the table, you will have to do it,” and the person said “oh yes? And how would I live?”
She replied, “you would do like birds; you would live on faith, and in faith that God cares for you.”
And on the other side, we ask for a lot of financial investment from people. Vishwananda has a fairly luxurious lifestyle: helicopter trip; he is offered very nice cars … And he asks retired people, or fragile psychologically… to squander their inheritance or their savings, leaving aside their children, their training, etc. . People whose children felt helpless made suicide attempts. I think of Roshnee’s daughter, who has a suicide attempt. And when Roshnee told VS, he laughed and said to his daughter, “oh … but why did you do that?” It’s troubling. But on the spot, we are taught not to judge … everything is a Leela…
When one becomes devout, ie the first degree of commitment, devotion, or brahmachari, he asks us for a percentage … 10%. 10% of his income. People are signing a contract now, those who are initiated brahmachari or devotees: It has changed. There is a contract today, that you sign. And you give your RIB (Bank Statement of Identity). In this contract, you commit to giving 10% of your income and you make transfers.
@@ayiruskan8016 Satyanarayan Babaji said in an interview something like he didn´t know about the allegations, it seems he is not linked anymore with this rascal.
Great breakdown 👌
I believe the main issue lies in the fact that this point isn’t openly discussed and is often diplomatically ignored, which I see as a significant problem. The great devotees of the disciplic succession, Srila Prabhupada’s spiritual master, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, and especially Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, struggled intensely with people of this nature. Personally, I have also heard claims where disciples regard their guru as if he were God Himself. This is a major issue, and it goes beyond simply accepting another religion. I believe it delves more into matters of sectarianism, deception, and manipulation. Thank you for your comment; I think it’s important for more people to be aware of this and not be swayed by superficialities.
so many revelations also for Bhakti Marga devotees!
Authentizität und Offenheit Ehrlicher Spirituelle Lehrer Bhakti Marga Swami Revitiakaanta 🎉❤🎉! Just Love ❤
There is no hierarchy in the spiritual world, well it depends on the criteria that you chose to use for the evaluation. If you have no criteria, so of course there is no hierarchy.
There is very strict hierarchy in the spiritual world just like there is in this material world. All spiritual processes in this material world are not equal and we can talk about hierarchy among them as well.
If you are following Srila Praphupadas Vedic teachings, you have complete phylosophy, yoga and lifestyle to follow. Just get involved in cow protection, serve cows to the best of your capability, and you don't need anything else.
Hare krishna ❤️
thanks for the opening, beautiful conversation
Who is in the Parampara of Bhakti Marg? Where is the lineage beginning? And who are the previous authorized acaryas?
No parampara, this is why this kali chela had to create his own. He was accused by several of his male followers of sexual abused. Just look at his face and the way he dresses. Nothing to do with a real sadhu. Another agent of kali with naive and blind followers.
Can ask the same for Gaudiyas my friend... The politics between Bhaktisidhanta and Lalita Prasad is so funny and then even under the Bhaktisidhanta camp there are so many conflicts... first fix and represent your own as Aindra used to say ,'don't be a half baked cookie' .
Conflicts will manifest in every camp. The huge difference is that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta showed all the qualities of a bonafide sadhu and guru, while Vishwananda is a gay guy who sexually abused several of his young male followers, and dresses as a rich Indian lady
I never thought I would see this
Jai Seeta Raam
Hare Krishna
Congratulations for this episode. This is a great endeavor to amplify our concept of the oneness of Vaishnavas. What is at stake is not only the oneness of Vaishnavas but also the oneness of Vaishnavism.
Srila Prabhupada explained to us that Lord Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Your endeavor indicates another step. Not just that Krishna is the Supreme Lord but rather the awareness of the unity of Vaishnavism; a unity in whose light the different shapes of our tilaks, so to say, would fade away.
Honestly, I do not take 100% credit for this thought, but I picked it from the writing of Viktor E. Frankl, the author of “Man’s Search for Meaning”. Hare Krishna.
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
I can see the appeal. There are people who want something not so institutionalized, in fact that is very much the trend.
Clearly they are not afraid to change or completely ignore certain rules to adapt to their particular mood.
It is very different from the very "set in stone" type of mood that iskcon tends to prescribe. Ultimately different strokes for different folks, very fixed ISKCON devotees won't gravitate to BM and most BMers know about ISKCON and have decided that they prefer the BM mood.
And that is just how things are. Somehow in some way if people are coming closer to God and Harinaam, it is hard to argue that this is not a positive outcome.
JAI GURUDEV ❤❤❤❤
Hare Krishna ❤
Jai gurudev swamy revatikantaa 🙏🙏🙏
Your guru puts tulsi on his foot(that should be the 1st red flag for any vaishnava) and does the same bs magic tricks as sathya sai baba where he instead of shiva lingams gets shaligram out of his mouth.
Find shelter in an non offensive Vaishnav Sampradaya first, and yes as you said, that why you have no authority to criticize Gaudiya Vaishnavas. First find a Guru thats not at all like Paundrak. Then we can have a discussion
1:17:20 swami revantikant observation made me cry... It should be the death of my body if something has came from my guru and I would not believe it.. It's really a nightmare statement for any disciple.
1:34:35 12 Step recovery, not 10 step. Its called the Bhakti Recovery Group!
Dandavat Pranams.
His Holiness Swami Revatikanta is a sincere and intelligent Krishna devotee. He is a great candidate for becoming one of Mahaprabhu's followers as he seems to like to interact with them ... 500 years ago many great swamis and brahmans did just that from previous positions. Also, as modern Gaudiyas, many of us on our side could use a good dose of Sattva Guna Vaishnava Hinduism.The Gaudiyas have mostly looked with harmony with the Shri Sampradaya.
I was invited to have the darshan of His Grace Paramahamsa Viswananda at a program here in Maui (maybe 2009?). At that fairly well attended event in a resort palace setting there was no talking Katha but a ceremony of individual blessings for the attendees . I am a devotee anthropologist, so I was interested. I was there as a curious observer guest . I did not feel the need for any blessings beyond my guru varga.
The world needs the contribution of many such messengers talking about Love of Krishna. Since then there have been more Kirtans . Really nice Kirtans!
Bhakti Marga is very modern and charismatic. Reminiscent of SRF, and with KIrtans and temples like like ISKCON a little.
I served in ISKCON from 1984-1991. From 1992 I am a disciple of Shrila Bhakti Sundar Govinda Maharaj with special shiksa from Shrila Bhakti Promode Puri Maharaj. My two Param Gurus are Shrila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad and Shrila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Goswami Maharaj.. All of them were followers of the Six Goswamis, all of the them were followers of Sri Guru and Shri GaurangaChandra.
I am delighted to to hear there is a shrine to the Six Goswamis at the Bhakti Marg center in Germany.
We want to sing Hare Krishna Kirtan with everyone. Mahaprabhu's historicity and compelling message is our service to bring out.
--Rakhal Raja das
At that event there was mantra kirtan.
His so called guru, Vishwavanda is an active homosexual who abused not one but several of his male disciples. He is a cheater who does not belong to any sampradaya, and this is why he had to create his own.
Please bring him back
Everything shatters in bhakti marga when they tell you their Guruji, Paramahamsa Vishwananda, is God. They truly believe he is Krishna himself. Try to harmonize that.
Great podcast. I respect the Swami, I’m bowing down to his feet. It’s just that only recently, I saw his guru being ornamented with Ananta Shesha as the background of his seat. I’m having difficulties with understanding it. Their acceptance of their guru being Avatar, it presents great challenge for my mind.
Radhe-Shyam.
His guru is a gay guy who had sexual relationships with several of his male disciples, in some cases he commited abuse. He couldn´t me more fake
Yah they seem great but acknowledging their guru as God himself is big no for me.
@@andresalazar2745 it is a HUGE NO, and what to speak of everything else, like the sexual abuses commited by "God HImself"
That’s why it’s bogus
The gurus of iskcon are not united at all
See them fighting for even small matters what to talk of the other matters like impoaching on disciples
Jai Gurudev. Great respect for all three in making this poadcast. Just Love 😇😇😇
What is revatikanta's parampara where does it start
Jai Gurudev! The parampara starts with Mahavatar Babaji, who is the Guru of Paramahamsa Vishwananda, the Guru of Bhakti Marga.
@@jeroenquartier7126 Can you elaborate about Mahavatar Babaji? Is he considered to be a representative of a certain sampradaya, or did he start a separate sampradaya? Did/does he have a guru himself?
@@Satyam16108As far as I know, Mahavatar Babaji, whom we consider as being a Krishna-Avatar doesn't belong to and also didn't start a Sampradaya. Also I can't name His Guru. But apart from this our Guru was initiated into the Sri Sampradaya by Sri Vedavyasa Rangaraj Bhattar and we are philosophically very closely related to Sri Ramanujas lineage.
All of Krishna's avatars are mentioned in the Srimad Bhagavatam. That so called avatar is not mentioned there. This means he's bogus.
@@jeroenquartier7126 Vishwavanda is a gay guy who sexually abused several of his male followers, lied about his past, does not belong to any sampradaya, and dresses as a rich Indian lady. So, Revatinanda should look for a real sadhu, and reject this cheater
Is there are Sangha in USA?