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Please help me understand what you are trying to say. You wrote: "all of them not understanding why theres such resistence to women being gurus or independents???" Why a guru should be *independent*? Good disciples are always dependent on their spiritual master. If a woman is married and she is qualified to be diksa-guru, why should not she have an exemplary relation with her husband? It seems that there are gratuitous assumptions in your comment. You also stated (about the three men in the podcast): "are they completely out of touch with what has happened in the past twenty thirty years in the west with the complete annihilation of the family unit?" It seems that you are connecting women serving as diksa-gurus (according to the desire and vision of the Founder-Acarya and the sastra) with the cultural collapse of the West. Are you saying that following guru and sastra is the recipe for "the complete annihilation of the family unit"? Frankly, this doesn't make any sense. A true guru, male or female, will perpetuate and promote the values of the sampradaya, including about grihastha-asrama. Having more gurus is the solution to revert the degradation of the world. Precluding women from being spiritual masters only plays in the hands of Kali.

@@cjgoodman6564 Scottish Churches College the Calcutta college where Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada attended!

@@cjgoodman6564 oh the speakers shirt is a verse from the Bhagavad Gita I think. I’ll find out for you.

@@NamarasaPodcast thank you!!!! Is it a home made shirt or can it be bought?

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not understanding the point your making here, can you please restate?

@@NamarasaPodcast the conversation at one point was about women brahmanas and prabhu made the point that SP had done it for 9 years so it was a principle... Then the next question was on women diksha guru but the same lens was not applied for that i.e. for 9 years SP did not have women diksha gurus... So it would have been good to hear prabhu's views on that as he is for both the points and there is a dichotomy in the stance there. Hope that was stated better, if not then maybe I'm not stating it correctly.

@@vnigsu I understand your point but not just FDG, but no diksa guru was discussed until the very end. So neither male nor female diksa gurus.

@@NamarasaPodcast Understand and hence the comment that the moderator/interviewer should have pressed the point then so we could see how prabhu balances the two points. All good.

Thank you; it's actually a good point and, yes, we could have discussed more about Vaisnavi diksa-gurus (VDG) but the discussion went to other topics. Here I am sharing a couple of short considerations. 1. In the nine years in which Srila Prabhupada kept giving second initiation to both men and women (1968-1977), there weren't any diksa-gurus (besides Srila Prabhupada), neither men nor women. Therefore to understand what Srila Prabhupada wanted for the future we need to go to his instructions, this one for instance: "I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughters will inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the family transcendental diploma will continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program." (Letter to Hamsadutta, 3 Jan 1969). 2. This is a short, UA-cam comment, for more on the topic you may want to download the book "Did Srila Prabhupada Want Women Diksa Gurus?" available for free here: realvarnasrama.wordpress.com/ It addresses many arguments, including the one that says "“Srila Prabhupada did not appoint women diksa-gurus in 1977; therefore women should not become diksa-gurus." You find the debunking of that at page 128.

Thanks for your question. Yes, Srila Prabhupada did legitimize the Manu-samhita as a genuine source of social knowledge; at the same time he relativized its importance and relevance for Vaisnavas in a number of ways. For instance, he explained that Manu-samhita is karma-kanda, or that “Manu-saṁhitā is not religion. It is moral principles for conducting society. Religion is how to become devotee of Kṛṣṇa. That is religion.” (Morning Walk, Hyderabad, 20 April 1974). He also discouraged his disciples from dabbling in it. I wrote a series of posts entitled "What's Wrong with the Manu-samhita?" In it I list other issues with the the text available to us, such as the interpolations that crept in, completely misaligning the original message and instead promoting the birth-based caste system. In short, yes, the (original) Manu-samhita is fine (for certain times, places, and circumstances), but there are several problems with the version available to us.

I believe you didn't mean to write "fraudster" but "fraudsters" (plural). I also believe you didn't mean to write "murders" but "murderers" (as it seems you were trying to indicate the people who committed the murders). Am I right?

Also, I am sure you realize that, when talking about gurus, "self appointed" and "voted in" are two contradictory concepts. A guru (among the various options) could be "self appointed" OR "voted in," but not "self appointed" AND "voted in" at the same time. So I am not sure what system or historical event you are talking about. Are the gurus you refer to "self appointed" or "voted in"?

Sorry to challenge, but are you saying that devotees should keep on moving the bar as Kali yuga progresses. Perhaps 100 years ago which is already 5000 years in to Kali Yuga, this idea of Gurukula would not have seemed so foreign and impossible. So what may seem Like a normal decent life now may seem impossible in the next 100 years

​@@nandagramecovillage3707 not sure in what way they exactly might be distinguishing vedic from daivi varnasrama, but they seem to be suggesting that modernity has rendered most aspects of varnasrama as a medieval fantasy throwback that no devotees are really interested in (ie no move to land based economy ... we basically just LARP with cows to land donations for their upkeep, and not develop economies based on cow protection etc). There does seem to be a sense that varnasrama is packaged like a magical post apocalyptic fable ... ie we just require something like nuclear war or some other civilizational collapse to usher in the golden age (as if having clean environments and social order, eg the great chain of being, were just inconsequential or automatically developed props in premodern civilizations). When it comes to varnasrama, it seems we have an almost schizophrenic identity, simultaneously embedded in the grammar of modernity (centralized constitutional religious institution etc) while alluding to some sort of ethic of premodernity.

@@kanup5141 Great comment, we can not keep on cherry picking and adjusting our value system according to what feels good in our hearts. Krishna and his authorities set the standard and we need to work towards the highest ideals. I understand that right now it seems like an impossibility, but devotees should not disregard or alter the actual standard, just because we are attached to our modern world view. We need to look at where this modern world view is leaving us spiritually and then judge if it is actually working.

@@nandagramecovillage3707 challenges are fine, that creates dialogue :) The central point of my comment is that we need to understand better the different types of varnashrama. Vedic varnashrama is actually a very strict system that existed in a very different world to what we have now. In Vedic varnashrama for examples members of the sannyasa ashrama are not allowed to cross water. Now, imagine going to all the sannyasins in ISKCON and telling them they now can't cross the ocean because of needing to follow the rules of Vedic varnashrama? It would impede their outreach efforts, and therefore less opportunities to spread what is the central gem of our tradition - and that is nurturing the growth of Krsna bhakti in the hearts of others. Caitanya Mahaprabhu's focus was on bhakti - not varnashrama. However as there is a sort of natural occurring varnashrama in society anyway (there are always going to be skilled workers, business people, managers and thinkers, students, married people, retired people and monks) we can simply use whatever situation we are in to focus on the growth of Krsna bhakti in one's own heart and as far as possible, giving this gift to others - the essential foundation of our society - at that point we are talking Daiva (or divine) varnashrama. Ideally, the leaders can spend more time on education in this regard and the nuances of the different types of varnashrama, otherwise confusion on this subject matter predominates.

@@BenSnelling-h6n Thank you, I understand that principle, but still there needs to be a culture that should be adopted that is in line with universal laws set out by God. Otherwise, it becomes very difficult to practice bhakti in the real-world situations. I understand that we are way too degraded to follow the vedic standard, but we need to draw the line and I hope that there is enough in Prabhupadas instructions to tell us where that line is. I do know that he instructed devotees to have farm communities and not live in the ugra karma society. This is unfortunately being sidelined as impractical...why? "Because we say so". Devotees can say that it was attempted and didn't work, but as was mentioned, the same could be said for marriage, but that doesn't seem to deter anyone.

It's unbelievable that this is an issue that is widespread today.

That's Govinda Dasi speaking in 2019. However, "Following Prabhupada" video from 2015 has her telling the end of the story differently: "I was mad. I was very upset about this and so because I was a little upset he decided that the girls also should have Gayatri Mantra. Jadurani was more upset, and so he gave us initiation the next evening with the Gayatri Mantra because he knew that in this country the girls and the boys are educated in the same." ua-cam.com/video/Go0AyD7urmw/v-deo.htmlsi=kPS_gVrW9ngepaNr&t=4152 The actual recording of the voiceover for "Following Prabhupada" must have come from a lot earlier. In the interview I think three matajis were mentioned who got initiated. One can't keep her story straight and became the source of "urban legend" itself, another found a new guru and got a new name (and a new initiation, apparently), and the third one got female sannyasa once and now she has to be addressed as "Prabhu" and she still wears orange. You can give them all the initiations and mantras you want, it doesn't seem to affect actual changes in their nature. Common saying in this regard is "putting lipstick on a pig", or maybe this phenomenon should be called "Boston Brahmins", as they quipped in "Following Prabhupada" just a minute earlier.

@@StanG As far as the allegedly shifting reports by Govinda Dasi (she has, deservedly or undeservedly, a reputation about changing narratives...), yes, I am aware of this testimonial, but I find it irrelevant and inconsistent. This is what she said (from the link you shared): "Because [notice the causative] I was a little upset he [Srila Prabhupada] decided that the girls also should have Gayatri mantra. Jadurani was more upset. And so [again notice the causative] he gave us initiation the next evening." This is just an interpretation of the facts; these are not facts. There is no evidence that it's their feelings that prompted Srila Prabhupada to give them second initiation; it's only a hypothesis. And it's a hypothesis that doesn't make any sense, historically: Srila Prabhupada's Guru Maharaja was already giving second initiation to women, so why Srila Prabhupada would have ever doubted to do the same thing? Why Srila Prabhupada would have stopped that practice? There is no reason to believe so. The only difference was that Srila Prabhupada also gave the Brahma-gayatri to women, but that obviously wasn’t the issue in Boston, in May 1968. Obviously, the issue was "second initiation" The issue of the girls was not, "Oh, you are giving us only six mantras! We want all seven, like the boys!" The whole thing sounds so artificial and contrived, perhaps mixed with other discussions that happened much later. Another fundamental question: would Srila Prabhupada change his mind, his plans about the standards for initiation, because a couple of girls were upset? Is this the Srila Prabhupada we know? And, again, why Srila Prabhupada would plan not to give women second initiation when his Guru Maharaja did? The whole idea is… unconvincing and based on no factual or tangible evidence, no spoken or written proof.

​@@StanG ​ I want to go on record saying that your metaphor of "putting lipstick on a pig" is inappropriate, unwarranted, and offensive to so many Vaisnavis. It's also an expression (even if, for argument's sake, it was applicable) of the logical fallacy known as "proof by selected instance" in which someone, in this case you, attempts to establish a general principle based on one or a few isolated events or examples. What about the hundreds and thousands of women who take second initiation and steadily, loyally, and determined follow their vows and the instructions of their guru? And what about the thousands of men who take first and second initiation but later give up the path? So, please, let's not genderize the issue of spiritual steadiness, because there are many bright, successful examples of good devotees both among men and among women.

@@Kaunteyadas "This is just an interpretation of the facts; these are not facts." This is first hand testimony by someone who was actually there and at the center of the events. You just don't want to accept it because you manufactured some "facts" by your word wrangling. I was sure you were aware of this testimony but you still claimed there is no basis for the story and it's just an urban legend. This approach of yours reeks of intellectual dishonesty. You can't accept something and you invent various ways to get around it. Ironically, in this case you try to establish qualifications for being a brahmana.

@@advaitanundoo3587 should we ask you why or are you just looking to make a fool of yourself via UA-cam comments?

Thanks for raising these questions. Briefly: 1. Yes, the notion of how the four fundamental political setups connect or translate with the varnas would deserve more technical analysis and unpacking. 2. This only refers to some traditional Indian system of gurukula, not the one established and envisioned by Srila Prabhupada. He didn't divide the children of devotees in dvijas (brahmanas, ksatriyas, and vaisyas) and non-dvijas (sudras). 3. Everyone needs an education, especially for the cultivation of character and of bhakti; so a Krishna conscious full-immersion school (call it whatever you wish) is for everyone. 4. I wrote substantially on the myth that women have no varna status. From a number of perspectives (anuloma & pratiloma marriages, for instance, but also on the basis of Jyotisha) the notion is untenable. This is a short UA-cam comment, but there is a whole section specifically on this topic in my book "Neo-Smartas - ISKCON's Greatest Danger" - which is downloadable for free at realvarnasrama.wordpress.com/ Thanks again for listening and for thinking about these important matters. These and many other subjects need thorough discussion for assimilation--what to speak of implementation.

@@Kaunteyadas Thank you for the reply. Will download and read your book. Regards, Girish

Since when? Gaudiya-vaisnavism always had brahmacaris, grihasthas, vanaprasthas, and sannyasis.Temporary designations and their respective duties aren't the ultimate goal, of course, but when performed appropriately they are essential instruments for living a civilized, harmonious life and for progressing toward the goal.

Sannyasa was established by Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur, before him there was only grihastha and babaji

@@manymonkeyes this was a deviation and concoction from Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.

@@manymonkeyes What?!?! Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Himself took sannyasa, and he was pretty Gaudiya... It might have not been an aspect too emphasized in the next few centuries, but I encourage you to read Srila Prabhupada's elaboration on the subject in Caitanya-caritamrita, Madhya-lila 3.6, which includes statements such as, "The most intimate devotee of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, namely Gadādhara Paṇḍita, accepted tridaṇḍa-sannyāsa and also accepted Mādhava Upādhyāya as his tridaṇḍi-sannyāsī disciple."

​@@SyamantakaLilaFirst of all, Mahaprabhu took sannyasa from a mayavadi, sorry that's not Gaudiya sannyasa! And kshetra sannyasa (Gadadhara Pandita took kshetra sannyasa) is basically babaji-vesha! So, thank you for proving my point. 😂

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When google translate goes wrong 😂

@@selfsavioryes 😂 excuse me for perturbated your understanding 🤯 you are a simpathic person (maybe great devotee) very intuitive and empathic👌thanks and🙏to Paramatma and your soul in your heart ☺️

@luzpv108 lol I know it's definitely a language barrier. What were you trying to say Prabhuji? Maybe I can translate your meaning better

@@selfsaviorjajaja... No hay problema de verdad, no eres el 1o en decirme acerca de mi inglés, pero si eres el 1o en ofrecerse para saber lo que quiero decir y traducirlo. No sé cómo es que se publicó este comentario, a veces hago comentarios en inglés para practicar un poco y luego los borro, así creía que había sido éste, sólo los dejo cuando quiero preguntar o comentar algo en específico. Aprovechando entonces tu ofrecimiento lo desarrollaré un poco más... Las preguntas son en relación a cuando alguien sufrió o padeció algo en un lugar determinado (gurukula, ashram, templo...) ¿qué sería lo más saludable para sanar, volver al mismo lugar con las mismas personas que fueron parte de...? O ¿Resolverlo por fuera con o sin devotos y una vez resuelto regresar con ellos mismos si la persona así lo siente y quiere o ir a otro lado de igual forma? Eso no quiere decir que no pueda interactuar con ellos y visitar ese sitio. Gracias Prabhuji o Mataji?🙏 yo soy mujer, y aunque algunos piensen que soy lesbiana por estar sola, no lo soy🙂

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