Why You Need To Talk To Republicans
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
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Our refusal to talk to Republicans or see eye to eye with people we don't agree with politically is tearing this country apart, and could lead to incredibly dangerous outcomes for our democracy. Let's go step by step and learn how to talk to Republicans. And why it really REALLY matters.
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I think as of now only and only Hinduism can fix all the issues in United States. America needs Hinduism more than ever...
As a black person I find it insulting to tell me I need to sit down and listen to why white supremacists are white supremacists and a white supremacist country... I really don't care how white supremacists are thinking or why they're thinking the way they are
It's not my obligation as a black man to save this country anymore... I don't need to sit and listen to people tell me why they're being racist.. I don't need to understand somebody's racism... my people don't have time to sit and be understanding when they're using everything from immigration, a fake War on Drugs.. and gentrification to not only push black people out of their neighborhoods but to permanently make them a underclass by placing newcomers above them and making them honorary white supremacist
You are beyond useless if not harmful. We have to talk to the aggressors and oppressors? This is you "We, as black folk, have to talk to the slave masters to get progress. They won't respond well to aggression". You are harmful to leftist causes. We have had 30 years of their oppression (if not longer, I am just talking about since the 94 midterms). Why should we talk with these people. They are brainwashed.
‘I know that republicans are bigoted fascists actively calling for your death and suffering, but have you considered how not listening to them makes THEM feel? :(‘
This is you, this is how silly this garbage sounds when new age Nazi’s are on here on a warpath.
People need to wake up - these are not normal political divide, these are the gaps between right and wrong, good and evil.
That isn’t hyperbole; one half of this situation wants the other dead and eradicated. You can’t meet that anywhere with anything but abject resistance.
Signed,
Someone sick of being told I need to show more grace when discussing my existence with people that want me dead.
It is really hard to talk politely with people who are always screaming about how they want you dead.
10 bucks says no right winger got in your face and said they wanted you dead
Lgbtq has become extremely dangerous
FUCKING. LOUDER.
I agree ❤❤
Yeah, if someone isn't interested in having an open conversation with respect to your humanity, it's not worth it to have that conversation at that point.
"We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist." - James Baldwin
THIS.
Exactly this!
Problem is every major issue is centered around these things. Climate change. Capitalism. Queer and trans people.
The two sides are literally "kill em all" and "maybe don't kill em all?". You can't find a middle ground there, and you shouldn't.
no one said love, you don't have to hate? do you want these people to diseppear? they exist, they always will, should we send them into space?
Which is 90% of right wingers
Idk how this is new. Growing up in Texas I could never bring up controversial topics without getting Death threats. I get the idea that communication is important, but being told to “just talk” to a population of people that are active abusers feels a little reductive. This goes back to my time in high school in the early 2000’s. I learned to stay quiet in certain situations, but that level of active hostility didn’t come out of nowhere.
Not trying to be a wise guy - but there are most definitely regional differences - and I would seriously forget any notion of having legitimate rational discussions while in Texas. There are values that are so deeply ingrained in the culture there - that i would definitely consider it a mountain too tall to climb. I currently live in the bible belt - have been here for 20 yrs - and I completely underestimated the significance of that - if i had it to do over again I would not have moved here - I am currently locked in here economically for a few more years but as soon as it is feasible to leave I will be. We have only one life and I do not choose to live what I have left in an episode of the twilight zone - sorry that may be a very dated reference. There is literally No way in hell I would go to places like Texas or Floriduh - and I lived in Floriduh a few different times during the 70's, 80's it is a completely different place now - I don't expect that I will ever return there again.
I try and try all the time. I’ve lost my whole family. They’re all conservatives, they all think I’ve been brainwashed into being gay and trans and leftist. I miss my family every day.
You often challenge my perspective, Leeja, and I respect you for that. But I don’t think you understand how painful it is being told by the people you love that everything you are, none of which you can change, is evil. I’ve been told that by my own father to my tr**** face. Because he became conservative.
You didn't get to choose your family at birth. However, you can now. Go get your share of comfort and happiness.
@@chrisdonovan8795 I literally hate this trope. Life is a lot more difficult for someone in transition and it's just a fact of reality that this makes it difficult to form new relationships let alone "family like" ones. It's easy to say things that make you feel good but it's not helping us.
@@OscarLangleySoryu I've done it. It takes work to build strong relationships outside of family, but it is well worth it to everyone involved.
are they white?
@@chrisdonovan8795 it's not always about work at all.
Thanks but as a trans person I'd rather not play Hate Crime Roulette with people who support my eradication.
Same! I'm in Florida. I don't even want my dad wearing an ally shirt right now because of how dangerous and violent people have become down here over LGBTQ+ rights. I'm scared to death something will happen to him. Especially with the election season coming up. 😢 We just had several major shootings in three days in our town. It's scary.
Yeah, you gotta consider your safety.
I was in a discussion group specifically dedicated to talking to people of the opposite political persuasion. This group was located in Kansas, so you might be able to guess what the majority affiliation was. My friend is gay and when someone on the right said "What's the worst that can happen?" his response was "Matthew Shepherd" and none of them knew what he was talking about.
Sometimes you just have to hang back and let us straight white cis men take the fire first. They'll only scream at me.
@jgray2718 I really have to agree on this one. Before the last presidency, I would've been more open to talking. Now, safety first.
Wanna take a guess as to how black people ended segregation?
I'm glad all the comments I've seen seem to be in agreement that you can't just have a conversation with the people who want you dead. This liberal notion that you can just talk fascists out of their bigotry is absurd, and it only works to normalize their hateful ideas. As a recently out trans person in a red state, even when talking with my supportive members of the family I get told to just stop worrying about things I can't control. I understand talking mental health breaks from the news and from doom scrolling but you can't ignore the problem of fascism.
Like with the election of Trump, it's always too outlandish to actually happen until it finally does, and then it's too late. Project 2025 is something to be worried about. It's disappointing that Leeja seems to gloss over the fact that we aren't arguing tax policy, these aren't differences in how we want to move the country forward. The disagreements are whether or not we should cut funding to starving school children, or whether or not doctors can legally refuse medical service to trans people. This stuff matters and it has real consequences.
As the left wing and centrists have gotten better at arguing for their position, the right wing has been getting better at ignoring them. And now, reaching many right wingers looks more like cult deprogramming than anything else.
Bullcrap. The collective left behaves like a female and is difficult to talk to and reason with. Females use emotions, men use logic. The right is more man-like. I suggest you read Leviathan and its Enemies by Samuel Francis.
Nothing the left does is logical, and the left is literally colluding with large corporations and globalists and our literal enemies to undermine this nation, and there is plenty of evidence that demonstrates this, its not just "some conspiracy theory". Its difficult for leftists to understand these things because the left uses face value thinking and doesnt apply deep thought. That's why the right has become more disgusted, and the left is the reason DT came to power. Please do some reading and actual research. The right is driven by disgust, and is more so reactive to the left. The left on the other hand is driven by envy and emotion.
The left is a very collectively emotional entity. The policies they favor are mostly all emotional and prioritize moral virtuosity, and short term gratification in exchange for long term disaster. For example: weaponizing our currency over Russia, it's akin to a female going "OMG?! Did you really just do that?! I'm gonna ruin your life!! I'm gonna tell everyone you're so mean and bad! I'm taking back everything I ever gave you! I'm leaving! Bye!!"
And guess what the end result of this is? BRICS got expanded to BRICS+ and the future of the USD as a reserve currency is sabotaged, as it relies on global influence for its strength. Economists have started finally admitting this too. How about climate? The left gets emotional over it, show them a pic of birds covered in oil and they'll flock to the streets to block traffic. The left is trading long term strategic wellbeing for moral virtuosity and emotions. China controls and exports 90% of green energy materials, by abolishing oil and switching to green, it would be giving our #1 enemy insane leverage and control over us. This is another example of the lack of foresight and logic in the left due to emotions hindering their ability to plan strategically and logically.
Everything about the left is about emotions, and morality, and this belief that utopia can be achieved, because the left is nihilistic and does not believe in religious values, all religions acknowledge that humans are inherently flawed and you can only adapt to that.
The left believes humans are all perfect, and all imperfections are a result of environment or external factors, and they believe throwing money endlessly and implementing waves of radical change will eventually achieve utopia. This has been tried many times throughout history and has never worked.
Why do you think most females lean left, whereas more males tend to lean right? This difference is more obvious in young people. And for the men that do lean left, studies have demonstrated that men who are on the left, have lower testosterone, whereas on the latter who are on the right have higher testosterone.
I would also suggest the book "Leviathan and its Enemies by Samuel Francis" it's an interesting read.
Lastly I'll end on the quote "If you are young, and you are not yet a liberal, you haven't got a heart. If you are an adult, and you are not yet a conservative, you haven't got a brain."
lots of right wingers are former leftists actually who left the woke cult. they got indoctrinated in school by "activist" college professors
When the GOP refused to put a platform forward in 2020 because Trump kept changing his mind, that was one of many strong signals it's not a political party, it's a cult with a leader named Trump. They're afraid to disagree with him.
Can't wait 😮
Two wings of the same dying bird
I live in an extremely red state and I’m the only leftist in my immediate family. I am not exaggerating when I say that the ONLY reason I have peaceful relationships with any of them is because we do not talk about politics. We can talk about almost anything else, and sometimes talk about softer issues that don’t personally affect them in very vague terms. But if we are going to talk about anything that has more meat or gravity to it, it’s going to be a disaster. I understand now after MANY years of obsessively researching that they are victims of propaganda. I understand that propaganda and its origins well now and I know that engaging in dialogue against it is useless. My ability to coexist with my family hinges on my ability to keep my mouth shut about politics.
Yes. I have family members like that. If I do happen to engage in the political area, it's usually to my regret and painful.
Propaganda is a powerful drug.
Not engaging is some degree of civility. These days, in that arena, call it a win.
They and you don’t, sure . 😂😂😂😂 keep thinking you’re superior only because you are leftist.
This is also my situation. When you live in an area where almost everyone else is a Republican, you cannot talk politics. They know they are in the majority so they just laugh at Democrats. Also, in many cases, their political views are so entwined with their religious views that they perceive any disagreement as religious persecution.
Great video. I am a Black man born in the 50s so navigating conversations with people who don't see things like I see them has been and continues to be a way of life. One technique that I have been using for decades is - When I get a reaction I didn't expect or a extreme reaction to what I said, I stop the conversation and ask the the question - What did you hear me say? - If I incorporate active listening I can determine how I will re-frame my point. I was trained under the model of it is the job of the communicator to communicate in a manner that the listener will understand the information you are trying to share. If they don't understand say it a different way.
Great technique!
that’s very smart, i admire that!
Here's my 2 cents: a majority of those "on the left" vote the way they do so American society can be more fair, accessible and livable. A non-zero percentage of the right vote the way they do "to piss off the left".
I tried having these "difficult conversations" for years. My last straw was being told to "off myself" for the incredibly idiotic OPINION that all US citizens should have access to free Healthcare.
Most of the party is just "Own the libs" at this point
Yeah, but that's what happens when the population is exposed to decades of propaganda that only works for corporations that rule the country. Propaganda in the style of "good is bad and bad is good". Propaganda like "universal healthcare is terrible" and these people parrot it because they have no critical thinking. And then they'll call it "socialism" even though they couldn't define socialism if their life depended on it. They just know it's a scary word they've been hearing over and over. Your experience is not surprising at all. What's surprising is that the author of this video fails to understand how far down the rabbit hole a lof ot these people are.
Not sure I agree with this fully.
I think part of the issue is, there's so much misinformation being peddled by the influencers of the right (not referring to influencers meaning social media, referring to actual people who have the power and platform, whatever it may be, to influence people) that a lot of voters on the right are simply scared of the America said influencers have manipulated them into believing will exist if the left gets control.
My mother is a conservative. She's not one of those insane people that we like to imagine when we think of right leaning voters. She's terrified of the "alien invasion" and has said things like "the only reason I don't support universal healthcare is because it means having w surveillance state."
She watches Fox news and believes the things they say. It's really that simple.
That's the problem - misinformation and disinformation. The right knows how to scare people into submission, and they actively teach their followers - the ones we really need to be speaking to - that any information coming from left leaning sources is not to be trusted.
It's not about pissing off the left for the majority of right leaning voters. It's about fear of the left. Which, if you think about it, is almost worse.
@justhearmeout3959 I agree with what you said. I'll point out that I said "non-zero number" of the right, not majority.
When is comes to right wing (dis/mis) information, what incentive do the pundits actually have to spew their drivel? Kickbacks from the puppetmasters?
@mike44njdevils1 It's simple, corporate/private interests. A scared, distrustful society is much easier to peddle products that they claim will help them. Take guns for example, for decades the Right has been big on gun ownership to the point of unfettered access in a lot of places. And now you have us on the left starting to buy guns and ammo because of thr legitimate fear of harm against us by a growing desperate, violent right. I mean in 2 weeks we've had a guy get killed for having the vaccine by his son and a federal worker executed by a Maga republican who was his son.
It's kind of tough to "agree to disagree" when one side thinks you aren't a person and that you don't deserve rights. How am I going to convince someone of anything if I first have to convince them I am human in the first place? Is a bloody uphill battle just to convince a racist I'm "one of the good ones" worth all the pain it takes to get there? I'm not convinced.
There is no unity with Reich wingers.
There isn’t any unity with Reich wingers
There is no unity with those things
That's exactly why fascists always make their lies so preposterous. They don't want us to agree to disagree. They want to cause chaos and violence.
I'm in a similar place as a gay man. More than one state is trying to legislatively erase parts of the LGBTQ community. Whatever individuals may be like, the party they support is actively working to harm people. You can't agree to disagree when your existence is seen as "political."
The problem is… I want healthcare as a birthright for my daughters and abortion as a right through viability. And the other side thinks I should be dead for thinking that. There’s no getting through that.
Banning abortion is no more different than banning slavery. You are not oppressed because of a growing dislike for abortion
"a right through viability": What do you mean by that?
@@07Flash11MRC Abortion legal through 22 weeks. The fetal ultrasound is at 18-20 weeks. A woman can make her decision then. Nobody should have to raise a baby with its brain growing out of its skull if they don’t want that.
Since when do repubs want the death sentence for abortion??
@@07Flash11MRC I think he means that he believes his daughters should have the ability to determine what happens to their body. you know one of those good old "conservative" values. What I find most bemusing is that most of these right to lifers - do not even know any of the history of their so called "deeply held beliefs" because folks it is a provable fact that most people who call themselves christians - could not care less about abortion until 1980 - it was cultivated as a wedge issue to get southern christians - to go against their own - Jimmy Carter - who was a very sincere evangelical christian. and it coincided with a desire to cultivate midwest catholics - to the republican party - who had been firmly democrat. It is just a tool that was ginned up by advertising executives to sway perception from one side to another - in the strictest sense it was legitimately a PSY- OP. And if you consider how it has radicalized people to violence over something that is really none of their business - that makes a great deal more sense.
This was so much easier years ago. Making this harder was a deliberate conservative strategy, which culminated in Karl Rove and Mitch McConnell putting the last nails in.
Vietnam protests concentrated on universities -> cut education funding, make anti-intellectualism a core conservative tenant
Lower media literacy -> accountability decreases and dishonesty becomes less of an issue
Cultivate anti-elitism and "down to earth" images -> being called out for being wrong no longer matters
Avoid actual policy as a campaign strategy -> No real stances to oppose, only having to appeal to emotions
This leaves conservatives in a unique position of not having to do anything, say anything, mean anything, be right, or even make sense. There is an endless pile of "others" to point fingers at to appeal to any given crowd for maximum easy ingratiation, and easily being able to bribe single-issue voters without actually committing. Campaigning against abortion was easy so long as overturning RvW was an unrealistic outcome.
The number of conservatives who even CAN be reached is incredibly small, and most that you think you have reached are like kicking a bale of wool - as soon as your foot is gone, so is the impression. I have been doing this a long time. It has become easier and easier for my (boring liberal "give a shit about people") perspective to be written off using a series of labels rather than actually bothering to disagree with me. This extends to both the older members of my family who vote right, and those who were LITERAL HIPPIES.
..."bale of wool" is my brother. thx for sharing this term.
Yeah I think a lot of Republicans are just voting based on vibes, not policies or facts. It’s a problem, but in a way it’s almost… hopeful? Because you can influence peoples’ feelings on an issue with anecdotes, emotions, human connection, etc. Unfortunately, it means they’re allergic to facts.
In my opinion, there's really only two kinds of conservatives. "I won't support that until you explain why we need it", and "I won't support that unless it hurts the people I don't like".
The first, I can have good conversations with. The second, I cannot.
Sadly the majority of Republicans/Conservatives are the type who just want to hurt others. The types of Cons who are willing to listen and have their ideas challenged is rare. The Republican Party has become a death cult.
Agreed, and a lot of the time, they are like well data can make anything true and so the explanation just doesn’t even matter.
@@maggiegraham2492 or they’ll say I’m biased because I’m a leftist as if somehow they’re not also biased.
I have never met someone who says “I won’t support that unless it hurts the people I don’t like”, so I think you may be approaching things in a bad faith manner.
@@JustanothermusicnerdxoBuild the wall, ban all Muslims, this cup is filled with liberal tears.... Yes, you have heard them say that or you haven't been listening
Many of the right wingers I know (mainly older ones) won’t listen and say the media has scared or brainwashed me.
I've talked to so many right-wingers who will dismiss any news article that's not from Fox, OANN, or whatever source they arbitrarily decided to trust
Same.
And if they're right, I'm willing to be wrong!
@@PatrickWDunneMost right-wingers do that. This video assumes a fairy tale scenario.
Do you not also accused them of the same?
It’s hard to talk to people that don’t believe in truths. Half of this country are no longer tethered to reality.
Far less than half, my friend. Maga is loud, it is willfully ignorant, and it is a minority.
Can you give me an example of one of these truths?
@@user-vt8uf5gy1gEasy example: Trump lost. I have lots more.
@@user-vt8uf5gy1gno they can’t lmao
oh look a wild sealion!
I have been bombarded with such advice for 8 years, only to be verbally abused. Why doesn’t anyone teach the hate speech perpetrators to be civil?
As Leeja says, there is a lot of anger on both sides. Also, this kind of conversation is a skill to hone in -- you probably won't do it perfectly the first time, or the second or third. I would say it may be a good idea to try this kind of conversation with people who are closer toward the middle. Keep reminding them and yourself that you are on the same side (you are both Americans who care about their country). This is the ultimate "treat people how you want to be treated" test.
I hope this helps
That’s actually the goal of talking to them, right? to teach them to be civil? I agree it’s dangerous and not something everyone can afford to do in every situation, so I’m not gonna tell you to do it, but it sounds like we agree that someone needs to do it
I opened myself up to discuss LGBTQ perspectives and rights with my Christian Republican families. They know that I know their stance because it was the one I was raised on. When I communicate just the facts and reality to them, without even getting to the conclusions about those facts, they shut me down. They do not want to hear it. I have been told by my mother that I, her gay atheist son, know more about the bible than she does, but that she isn't interested in hearing what I have to say. My dad said he doesn't want to understand. They do not care. All that was accomplished was frustration and strife, and a stubborn adherence to the idea that I and everyone like me should burn forever because of who we love or who we are.
And I'm also not going to put "Burn gay people forever" and "Let me love who I want" on equal footing. One of those ideas is worthy of consideration and the other is absolutely deplorable. There can be no compromise or meeting in the middle between them.
"We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist." - James Baldwin
I'd say there are some differences between holding certain opinions and denying your existence. Some conservatives believe that being gay is sinful, while others have disagreements on certain laws. We need to tell them apart.
Yeah but that's not how laws are made, morality has nothing to do with politics
Ultimately, the goal is not to change every conservative, just enough conservatives. If absolutely nothing else, make them a little less crazy.
I got 9 death threats just walking two blocks to work over the last year from transphobes im not entertaining the idea I gotta swallow that and civil discuss
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I've tried talking to them for years. I am sick of being gaslit, told truth is opinion and opinion is truth and having to do volumes of research to discredit every single conspiracy they believe while they do zero research on anything, not the things they support or the things they are programmed to hate. I don't need to see the bullsh-- that they are consuming to understand that they are being manipulated.
This is a bad video and you should feel bad about making it.
@@derekbrandell8520 I think its an alright video, its well mannered and ahs good intentions, however it doesn't adress more extremist aspect of what happens when people take in information. Which is what a lot of people have to deal with, but to people who are center, or has some glimmer of hope this video dose provide some advice on that. Just for you, it might not help you as much.
it would help you to see it in order to understand how it works. it is not as complex as they try to make it seem.
THANK YOU
Very true! Most of my interactions with the MAGA cult end with simple name calling when their ignorance or misinformation is exposed.
as a trans person, in a community that the entire right has been obsessively dehumanizing to a borderline genocidal degree, i think it's a bit ironic that you're asking us to appeal to the humanity of right wingers. I can see where you're coming from, but this is inherently a privileged position and I can't subscribe to it. Another comment here said reaching the right is more akin to cult deprogramming than respectful discussion, and I have to agree
"i think it's a bit ironic that you're asking us to appeal to the humanity of right wingers": I think "ironic" is the wrong word, because as a woman Leeja is in no way on top of the human hierarchy. The question is: What else could we do other than ease / pave the way towards science and truth for right wingers? Leaving them alone doesn't help us, either, because they are in charge of politics and policy-making.
@@07Flash11MRCShe is a white woman so she isnt very far from the top of the hierarchy
@@nc8163 Don't forget that she's also wealthy. While she isn't the most privileged in the hierarchy, she is damn near the top. Something goes to shit in the US? She's already gotten a visa/dual citizenship to get out of trouble and live comfortably wherever she travels.
@@07Flash11MRCa fundamental weakness of all right-wing positions is that they all fundamentally respect power. The word conservatism was coined to describe the idea of conserving the power that the nobility held in monarchist times in changing social structures. Fascism is a radical extension of this that equates national identity with power. When this national identity is also an ethnic identity and the definition of power equals the ability to end life, we end up with Nazism. The best way to beat right-wingers at their own game is to therefore conflate radically conservative views with a lack of power in a way that isn't suggestive of conflict, causing It to be no longer a desirable position to have. If the lack of power implies conflict (Trump's entire campaign), then they will pipeline deeper into radical right wing positions
@@TheLucidDreamer12 Very astute lucid - and you are correct ultimately all this equates back to power. That is really what this all comes down to. the rest is theatrical efforts to hold or gain power. Nothing more complicated than that.
I don’t think someone is bad for not being a leftist, I just think they’re wrong.
Ironically that's wrong
I don't wear a trans flag pin to signal that I'm a leftist or a good person. I wear one to signal to trans people that I am (or at least am trying to be) a safe person.
Also, saying it used to be more common for marriages to have mixed political views doesn't mean much when women used to have much less control over their reproduction, finances, and lives more generally. They often couldn't leave bad marriages.
Don't worry. The conservative fascists are trying to do away with no fault divorce too, and the neoliberal conspirators will let it happen.
There is also a huge difference between "we don't agree about how tax money should be spent" and "we don't agree over how much bodily autonomy I should have"...
I could get along with the first disagreement, not the second...
@@miss1of2 Right. It used to be "what are the best detailed decisions to make so the country runs well" and now it's "civil rights must be destroyed and Trump is Jesus or else you must be destroyed too".
These aren't disagreements at all. It's one side attempting to harm people who are then forced to be "the other side" in trying to defend themselves from harm.
Exactly! Idk how to sit down with a person who believes I should be oppressed for my skin and sexuality, and have a calm conversation, attempting to understand their views and make them understand mine...
thats sweet. have a lgbtq pin too pls
Last election, a republican pulled a gun on me during a debate over who should have the presidency, so I'm not crossing the isle anymore for them.
If libs owned guns at the same rate as conservatives, Trump and melania would be upside down on the national mall. The right gets as much concessions as they do because everyone’s afraid of them.
You won't convince anybody here that a guy pulled a gun on you over a debate about who should be president.
This sounds like the start of a villain arc
Ah, yes. The extreme anecdote defense. Remember the time Liam Neeson roamed around a black neighborhood with a club looking to commit a murder because a black man r*ped a close friend of his? That's you right now.
I'll take things that never happened for 100.
"We are more divided than anytime in history." I dunno, there was this one time in the early 1860s that I think things were worse.
As to not talking to Republicans... After Trump was elected, I made a concerted effort to reach outside my bubble.
- I went to various Reddit forums and respectfully explained that I was trying to reach out and learn more about the other side. I got banned immediately.
- I saw a car parked in my lot with Trump tags all over it, so I left a note explaining what I was doing with my number (a burner number, not my actual number). I managed to talk to the woman for about 20 minutes before she realized what was going on and asked me "Do you hate Trump?" I paused and said "I disagree with him on a lot of things but I wouldn't say 'hate'." She immediately went bananas and started telling me what a horrible person I was and so on.
- Then there's random Republicans / other conservates that I've bumped into on UA-cam. A majority of them can't string a coherent sentence together and usually can't do it without an ad hominem. Okay, that's UA-cam.
- Then there's Quora, where I have only met one conservative who could actually defend their position with evidence, the rest simply getting frustrated and either insulting me, ghosting me, or insulting me and then ghosting me. I got into an excellent discussion about gun control with that person, except as soon as I checked their sources I found that one of their primary pieces of evidence was a study claiming that there were over 300,000 lives saved by guns every year...of course, the 'data' for this study was all self-reported so I didn't feel a lot of need to continue the search.
Long story short, I've tried talking to conservatives in general and Republicans in particular. It's not useful.
I suggest using that time to help people who matter to the future.
Mr. David Storrs, I applaud your efforts to reach out.
Have you googled the national group Braver Angels? They are doing Is what Leeja Miller suggests and bringing people from both sides to respectful talk listen to one another. I think you'd be perfect for BA-Braver Angels
@@chrisdonovan8795she did reach out to people who matter. All people matter. Once again the party of tolerance shows their true colors.
@@car_tar3882 Being tolerant might involve turning the other cheek, but cheeks are a limited resource. Unlimited tolerance doesn't exist.
In the immortal words of Carole King, you can't talk to a man with a shotgun in his hand.
Carole King Is My Kind Of Philosopher!
My X tells our children he loves Carole King to mask that he held a loaded, safety off gun, while he held it to my head.
as a queer person i hear u but at the same time its very tiring to debate my existence every time i talk to right wingers even so called moderates have tried justify transphobia to me and its very tiresome
Boom.
What is a "so called" moderate? Where exactly do you imagine the Overton Window to rest? People are skeptical about transgenderism because people on the left cram their framing of the issue down everyone's throats as if this phenomena is well understood and irrefutable when actually the body of knowledge surrounding the issue is impressive but more open to interpretation than LGBTQ people insist. The science is the science, and the cultural implications are for people to decide based upon the handful of observations we can make about this group of people- that's what science is.
To be clear, I strongly believe the best outcome is treating people how they want to be treated as there's no harm in treating a trans woman as you would a cis woman. The division on this issue is that it then follows that all people should participate in a collective delusion where we actually believe cis and trans women to be exactly the same thing, which they are not, and whether the differences matter does warrant some debate- or at least, if you're engaging in good faith, you should be able to see why some people feel there's room for debate and that it's not because they're psychos who want to take away all LGBTQ rights.
Being moderate means being an adult- hearing out both sides completely and being able to argue both sides effectively before coming to your own conclusions. Yes, this is very 'tiresome.' If you're not down with that, check out of politics. This is what you're signing up for by performing your civic duty, and if you can't stomach it, let others do it in your stead.
To be clear, I strongly believe the best outcome is treating people how they want to be treated as there's no harm in treating a trans woman as you would a cis woman.
I’m a moderate would you care to explain to me how they justify transphobia.
@@Jeebus-un6zzright wing taking points. Noone thinks trans and cis women are "exactly the same" so why would you lie about that.
It's exhausting thinking it's up to the left to make things better, while the right doesn't have to make any effort
If you believe you are in the moral right, you have the moral responsibility to make the effort
If you are a hostage in a hostage situation, it's up to you to talk your captors down. Is that how it should be? No. Is that how it is? Yes
@@thatguyyouhatealotThat's just it tho. You can't TEACH morals, they must be LEARNED. By that I mean, you can't explain to someone a moral dilemma, that they disagree with you on, and they change face at the end of the conversation. Hardship, real experience and the will to love are the only way through this selfish exterior.
Arguably why some Christians have this false sense of moral superiority. They didn't wade through the same moral dilemmas and ideological trauma of actually learning these virtues first hand. It was all just.. explained to them and never LEARNED.
Does the right not also think it's exhausting?
I've never met a conservative willing to engage in that kind of good-faith discussion the way you have suggested. Every time, they have demanded to be coddled and validated for every single thing they believe, and perceived any disagreement as persecution.
They don't want a discussion, they want to either find an ally, or fight an enemy, and their definition of ally and enemy primarily rests on how much that person is willing to massage their ego and support their existing beliefs no matter how little they're based on material reality.
People who don't want to be reached can't be reached, and will lash out, sometimes violently, if you try.
When you finally get them cornered and they have no arguments left they start up with,"the Bible says".. so you either have to drop it or try to take their faith away - which won't happen.
The ones who aren't violent do exist but they just avoid you. I used to be kind of like that, whenever I saw someone with blue hair or lgbt pins I would be scared of them. The violent ones take up the spotlight
They don't even live in the same reality we do!
I very politely asked a man not to smoke inside the amusement park I was working at and I even said I'm a smoker too I know it's annoying to have to walk all the way out there in hopes of keeping him calm, that often works... he started ranting about how people can burn down cities and destroy shops and nobody cares but you can't even smoke in the theme parks anymore. "Know what I mean?" and I'm like "....no sir, I'm sorry I have NO idea what you're talking about." Luckily he seemed to like me- and I pass as cis or else that probably wouldn't be the case- so he didn't take it out on me he just wanted to rant but like W U T how do you talk to someone who just believes anything the read on some crap website
Like for for fock sake even here. It would be a miracle if you don't get your comment removed.
Or they only want to engage to troll you and make you look foolish. It’s never them asking questions in good faith
I work in a public facing job as an open Transwoman with an education in political theory, and so I'm often conversing with folks who I'd not normally converse with, and one of my most recent conversations was with a trump era anti-vaxxer (in my experience these are the anti-vaxxers who have a hope of being talked to. I'm also a type 1 diabetic, and have gotten each of my COVID vaccines, and I use the personal story element a lot. I open with the "Well, diseases like this aren't always dangerous to the everyday joe, but in my and my little sister's case, getting sick can easily be a death sentence, and then I move to facts (I often find people are disarmed by the "This is a deadly threat" angle) such as the fact that the reason we got a vaccine so fast is due to SARS research, as well as new understandings of vaccine production.
this was about 4 weeks ago, wednesday when I went into work the lady I talked with came back and showed off her arm bandage. It was really satisfying to see that work.
I don't think it's generally a good use of time, but it's good to hear.
@@chrisdonovan8795 They have made the world a better place, don't talk down to them doing so
Since roughly the 1990s, there are been countless millions of SARS-type viruses floating around in the world. In fact, if you live in a developing country, there's a very high chance that you have a chronic respiratory viral illness. COVID wasn't / anything special. Sad (especially for people living in developing countries) but true.
Stop compromising with people who resolutely refuse to compromise with you and whose ideology revolves around removing your right to exist.
I don't think the burden of dialogue should fall on the people who are being targeted the most specifically. That is why groups like Showing Up for Racial Justice exist, so that people with white privilege who haven't been targeted can be the ones having these conversations. We can use that privilege to open doors with local government as well--our local electeds are much more willing to meet with us than they are with our accountability partners who have asked us for support after being brushed off.
This isn't compromising, but instead the goal is to de-radicalize people out of the right-wing pipeline. It's to show conservatives we aren't some scary "Other" that needs to be eradicated. For sure, this approach isn't for everyone, and should only be used by people trained and committed.
The myth of white privilege. Ok Mr doors can y open a door explaining the myth of racism in America @@splendidcolors
@@artemis3120 "It's to show conservatives we aren't some scary "Other" that needs to be eradicated." I would agree with you, however after 10+ years of trying to humanize marginalized people, all we've managed to do is gain minor support from centrists while the conservatives kept their view of "Gays and blacks are wrong and deserve to be killed because my God says it's wrong". I hate that people bring up talking points like Leeja does, because we've tried this for multiple decades and it rarely improves amongst those we need to talk to the most. It helped massively with certain centrists pockets, usually center left people, but just look at how centrists are now repeating the exact same homophobic arguments against trans people and you see that there is fundamentally nothing we can do so long as rich people want to make someone their scapegoat. Same thing with centrists regarding Gaza as well, as many of them support Israels bombing and shit.
We have tried, I have tried, on a human level and an intellectual level for decades but no matter what it hasn't gotten better in the groups that we've tried to talk to the most. At some point people will give up, which I already have. You cannot de-radicalize some people. Some you may, but if it requires us 1000 hours to de-radicalize a singular, lets say Trump supporter, then that time is better spent elsewhere, especially amongst centrists so that our human and constitutional right aren't revoked
Who would win in a civil war?
To quote Abby from the Philosophy tube channel, "all fascists have to do to make the "left" happy is to stop being Fascist. What would make the Fascists happy is for the left to stop existing!" How do you talk to someone like that?
Perfectly said. Despite it coming from a literal Nazi, the friend/enemy distinction and how the left and right use is a very very useful framework for analysis on those points
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Ultima ratio regum
Holy christ ive nevet seen it likee that
By showing them that the thing they're afraid of is untrue.
I engage in conversations almost soley with conservative Republicans at my workplace. It's extremely hard to get my point across when I am being verbally overwhelmed by multiple people intergecting themselves into my personal conversation, spouting conspiracy theories, and racist and bigoted sentiment. I merly asked one of my coworkers if he had heard about the woman who was murdered in California because she flew a pride flag outside of her store. His reply?"Good! Maybe that'll teach 'em lesson!". Or another coworker explaining how he could solve the homless encampment "problem" with a single A-10 strafing run. Or yet another coworker lamenting that it was still illegal to kill "Demon-craps.". How do I communicate with people who LITERALLY want to kill me?
You don't communicate with people like that. Those co-workers are just sick people who help professional help. Some conservatives don't believe in that degree of hatred and would listen, but you have to vet very carefully. Talking to the wrong conservative could be very dangerous.
I think we're being gaslit into thinking we had anything to do with this
Simply talk to the Nazis. Hitler was stopped through the power of love and friendly discourse.
Who is pushing for discrimination on the basis of race, gender and sexual orientation just like the Nazis? Oh! that would be your side.
How I defeated Fascism with the power of love, by William.
Chapter 1: the power of love. the first step in my journey was realizing its impossible to defeat fascism with the power of love.
Chapter 2: The power of incredible violence...
I own guns, lets go.
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@@DeathAndTaxesAbolitionistno, it’s your side, because you are Neo nazis
I have no obligation to hear any argument about abortion when that argument is a religious based one.
Numbers 5:11-31 literally gives instructions on how to perform an abortion
Amen
Aaaaand there are literally no arguments against abortion rights that aren't religious so wtf are we supposed to do lol
You can't argue with "God wants this". Unless you can somehow convince them you know God better than their lunatic priest or whoever filled their head with the nonsense to begin with and good luck with that, if that were an option they wouldn't be in a cult in the first place.
Amen! Lol
Do you think people that have had significant religious experiences in their life that led them to those beliefs aren't worth listening to?
I've personally had a few in my life. It is fundamentally different to feel the presence of God, than a normal emotional response to anyone else's presence. It's an otherworldly euphoria, and unmatched power, that no drug or other substance is capable of giving.
Having people that have felt the exact same thing, some once being nonbelievers, kind of weakens the argument of, "God's not real, so no need to address the religious argument."
It’s hard to have these conversations with people who want people like me dead. Like- there’s a big difference in what leftists want and what right wingers want. Most leftists I know aren’t sitting around wishing death on people who disagree with them but I have family members as young as 12 who joke about committing mass shootings on democrats. I feel UNSAFE talking to these people, it’s not just difficult it is potentially dangerous.
Getting to feel and getting to make the world safer are often exclusive to one another.
Not everyone has to take on "conversations" at the same risk level as combat journalism. Leeja even said you're not likely to change minds when people are that far down the rabbit hole. @@Awaken_To_0
@@splendidcolors Then don't have the conversation.
But just like combat journalism, somebody still has to do it eventually or every warzone goes dark.
Make that trade if you want, but acknowledge you're making it.
Just wait, it gets worse!!!
Watched the whole thing while constantly muttering to myself "Ahhh. I remember being a dreamer." Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Leeja's channel and usually agree with her at least 95% of the time. I also realize the biases that many of us have is because we see mostly the stupid, mind numbing, and anger inducing side of the MAGA society - because that's what gets clicks. Considering those things, MAGA people still seem to prove every day they are a unique subset of the population - the willfully ignorant. (I personally know several "normal" Republicans who are as confused as any Democrat about how MAGA got so many rabid cult members. I am definitely not lumping them in with the cultists.)
Starting a conversation with a MAGA member is not worth your effort. Your time would be much better spent finding co-workers, friends, family members, or even acquaintances that are "on the fence" or "not really interested in politics" - and persuading them how important it is to register and vote. You don't even need to talk politics with them. Over and over it has been proven that the larger the percent of the population that votes, the better the results are for Democrats. Be fully prepared to provide them with information about how to register and how they find out where to vote - and WHEN they vote. (vote.org, Tuesday Nov 5th 2024, look up "find my polling place" online)
Does this solve, or even address, the subject of this video? No. But it's probably a far less frustrating and better use of your time. Some days I'm hopeful and some days I think that giant asteroid can't get here soon enough. No matter who wins the upcoming Presidency race, we're in for a rough ride.
The question is: What is the alternative to talking to them?
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@@07Flash11MRCignoring them. That’s the only alternative
@@MsPoliteRants "ignoring them" won't stop them from making policies based on their cherry-picked believes and imaginary friends.
@@07Flash11MRC Neither will talking to them.
As a leftist, I can agree to disagree on a decent amount without dehumanizing the person. You think we should have closed borders? Okay. You think universal healthcare won't work? Okay. You're pro life? Okay. You're a black conservative? Okay. I used to be very good at open dialogue with conservatives. What happened? My best friend, whom although leaning a bit more to the right than me, we never fought over differing beliefs, went down the Daily Wire and Alex Jones rabbit holes in response to seeing trans people getting more media attention. My oldest friend in the world is trans, and although it took me a while to understand the nuances of gender and learn to respect different identities, my desire to protect him and my other trans friends changed my views and I learned a lot in the process. This former friend WOULD NOT recognize non binary identities, actively refused to learn pronouns, and refused to not believe that being transgender is a mental illness. As time went on, he went deeper and deeper down the Alex Jones rabbit hole, and developed a fear of weaponized empathy, so any attempt to help him emphasize with trans people was met with a firm "that doesn't work on me." That coupled with frequently comparing trans people to pedophiles, I couldn't deal with it anymore, and I cut him out of my life entirely, and just after I was the best man at his wedding. I listened to him and his wife spew out enough logical fallacies and "opinions" to have an idea for why conservatives don't like trans people, "trans ideology", "wokeness", all of it. So because of those reasons, I refuse to agree to disagree on anything LGBTQ related with conservatives again. Now if there is a way to make conservatives happy while also ensuring LGBTQ people have all their rights in tact, I'm all ears, but I'm also incredibly sceptical and I'm not mentally ready to have the conversations necessary to make that happen, not yet at least.
Such a sad story. I’m sorry - it’s a loss, but I believe you did the right thing. Perhaps it falls under Leeja’s #1- determine if it’s worth it.
There is no such thing as trans people
"Your empathy doesn't work on me!" is a great deal of the problem. In fact, it's most of the divide. When people profit off of a lack of empathy, they aren't going to want to give that up.
I'm gay - and I entirely reject the Leftist political view regarding all LGBT politics. I'm as positively conservative and sensible as can be ... and those two ALWAYS go together - conservative and sensible. Nobody will ever prove to me or convince me that conservative politics don't benefit the nation at large, no will anyone prove to me that typical politics of the Democrats benefit the nation at large. Just open your eyes, and examine the differences between the Trump administration and the Biden administration. Idiot Biden loses all across the board.
A conservative argument for lgbtq rights is that the government has no place getting involved in personal and intimate matters. As for how to disarm moral police ideas, you can say LGBT people have been victimized enough over the past few centuries that if it wasn't genuine they wouldn't exist.
I am so done engaging in respectful dialogue with people that unambiguously want me dead.
Dang they want you dead. Well I recommend not talking to those hyperbolic strawmen and talk to actual conservatives that exist.
And the sad part is, because i see that you're a woman, i know exactly the kind of people you're talking about. Smh.
What makes you think they want you dead? Not everyone does, I don’t even know who you are. While you may be tired of it, it is the way that allows both to respectfully disagree. Violence will only bring people back to trenches, and not in the middle of no man’s land.
What percentage of the people Leeja is referencing here do you think want that?
Most don't want that and those are the ones she thinks we should talk to?l.
@@downsjmmyjones101 Do they vote for people that enable it? Then who gives a fuck what they actually want. The effects are the same.
I can assure you that only people on the left are having this conversation. Rightoids are not concerned about reaching out to leftists
That's not true. There are reasonable voices on the right, you just don't see them because your social media feeds are all curated to only show you the crazies. I myself am more conservative, and the algorithms only want to show me the extreme side of the left and I have to go out of my way to seek out content on the internet from reasonable leftists. The system is quite literally designed to divide us. Also, I come from a liberal family and have almost exclusively liberal co-workers. This hasn't prevented me from having conversations with them.
The entire manosphere is literally just that though. They reach out to young men who the left doesn't care to have empathy for and tells them that they aren't terrible people just for being male. They promptly indoctrinate them with religion and bigotry and give them a sense of purpose. Calling them 'rightoids' is pathetic and childish, they have a worldview that's different. They think if they support trans rights then God will torture them for eternity for fucks sake
It would defeat the entire purpose of being rightwing
This just isn’t true, there are a ton of channels with right leaning people going out to have respectful debates. The generalized assumptions don’t help anything.
@@Clairebear173 there is no assumption. Right wing means something. Go watch Blair White- one of their own but trans- agreeing with them and still being treated like shit because duh she's trans
I remember how my uncle kept saying he couldn’t talk to me about politics because he was a republican and I wasn’t. I did get him to talk to me about politics it was just Bush Jr who we couldn’t talk about. He was a team player when it came to politics and that’s why he couldn’t talk politics with me. It was finally when I protested a nuclear dump that finally got us talking politics. He never changed his mind though. He was still going to vote for his team. He always ended our conversation with the fact that he owned a business and property and I never would. He right I could never own property and a business like him.
I find people are usually unwilling to have a calm, rational discussion about whether they have the right to exist
But if we're polite to the people marching us into the camps, maybe they'll feel a little guilty about it! /s
And openly supporting colonization...!
Sounds like it's time to learn how.
Ya I won't lie this is an unusually idealistic and immaterial video for leeja to make. I understand where she's coming from and hoping for, but there's so much missing from her assumptions that I frankly don't see the value in any of it.
Like, why is always the liberals that must 'reach across'? And, why is it that they must reach across to conservatives rather than leftists ?
On some points, she seems all too aware of the threat and danger posed by the GOP and its base. And here she seems not to? If we acknowledge that one side genuinely wants to exterminate LGBT people and expel most POCs, how tf are we meant to, or more importantly should, try to just talk to them?
@@bothi00 If liberals aren't going to convince conservatives that there are better ways to do things, then who will?
I'm listening right now but one thought that I have had many times is why do we constantly need to learn how to talk to Republicans but I never see Republicans trying to talk to Democrats.
as someone surrounded by them in my industry, it's not *fully* their fault as individuals. A dimension of right wing media you don't see until you're surrounded by people brainwashed by it, is that it deconstructs and reconstructs every issue in a way that makes discussing the issue in a productive way fucking IMPOSSIBLE.
Yeah no see the thing is any time we try to talk to you, you want to leave the conversation. Democrats are far more likely to block someone over political opinion than the other way around.
It also doesnt help big tech companies try to shut down conversation through censorship of exclusively "right wing" sources.
@@teru797 I'm usually the one blocked by the conservatives. What human rights are you guys trying to protect that democrats are trying to take away, besides 2A, which we're not trying to take away?
@@teru797 I will explain why it isn't that we disagree, it's that you are wrong.
What 'you all' do is called sealioning. You ask the most basic questions over and over, that you would already know the answers to if you actually cared. And then pretend like until someone takes all the time out of their day to explain to you what you can easily seek to learn yourself, you should be able to be a disrespectful little shit and face no social consequences for it.
It is not that we disagree. It is that you are wrong. You are welcome for the education.
@Mhael_Logainrepublican here. What's coming from your camp is gonna give you way worse problems than an officer profiling you for your facial. Abortion, race issues, and yadda yadda are just smoke and mirrors. Worry about the economy and border security. 2 migrations going on: central and South Americans looking for work. The other is an invasion of people that will behead you for your facial. No cliché responses, like "you're racist" or "white devil" or "you think you're superior." It is what it is. United, we stand. Divided, we fall.
I have spent literal decades TRYING to talk to my Republican parents, but they WILL NOT LISTEN. They just shut it down. I try to talk to my brother who still lives with my parents, and he won't listen either. My dad has told me to my face that the ACA is bad because it's expensive for my (able-bodied) brothers in the middle. Apparently he forgot that he has two disabled kids (me, his eldest, and my youngest brother) for whom the ACA is literally life-altering. Without it I'd be uninsurable due to my cardiac birth defect.
I'm disabled and queer, so the right (by ideology) wants me dead. They've killed their empathy. I'm not sure why, but I know they have. My mom used to HAVE empathy, she's the one I learned it from... it's gone now.
I don’t even try anymore. The amount of times I’ve heard “I’m oppressed” when talking about the HUMAN rights of others has done me in. Others having the same rights and opportunities as you does not lead to your oppression. I can’t reason with them so I don’t even try.
Considering how the left has acted these past few years I would say it is your side who believes they're "oppressed"
You talk to republicans and show us how it is done.
I would love to see her actually debate a Republican youtuber. doubt she'd ever do it
@@animal1nstinct394 She's a lawyer, that's literally her profession. She would crush them.
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She's a lawyer, yes. A person trained to largely argue in planned proceedings with extreme control of decorum and style.
With a moderator who, literally, can throw you in jail for pissing them off. The Internet is no such place.
But also important she's a lawyer...not an attorney. At least I see no practice she actively has worked for. She got a law degree and has a bar card for Minnesota, but is otherwise not a practicing attorney.
Debates online and with the right, especially, are not rational attorneys raising valid points in defense if their clients. Meanwhile most of her speaking experience is scripted UA-cam videos. Intelligent? Yes. But that does not translate to success in debate automatically, especially debates with disingenuous grifters.
@@Matt-fl8uyspeak for yourself 🤓 🖕
@@Matt-fl8uy mmmmm no a lawyer is not generally someone who argues with people on youtube...
Leeja - I spent 20+ years in therapy to be able to cut ties with my abusive family; I am going to practice healthy selfishness and not try to start that conversation.
I will, however, have conversations with random strangers out in public. Just not any that have physically threatened me first. That is a hard limit for me.
I understand where you are coming from. As a gay man, I very rarely talk to my family. I just don't feel welcomed or that I belong.
But I do still love them and try to keep the channels open. I also try to make sure that ANY interchange they have is a positive one and I smother them with love when I can.
Why? It is the double edged sword when cutting yourself off from loved ones. You cut a bad example out of your life... but you also cut a GOOD example out of theirs. I'm basically the ONLY window they have into the gay world. I'm functionally an ambassador. My hope is that the gay world isn't completely alien and they remember they have a son who loves them and treats them with respect when the hear anyone say all the gays are evil - and especially when they get to the voting booth.
@@robertbesteRead the OP again. I understand what you’re trying to say, but 20 years therapy? OP didn’t cut out a “bad example”, they cut ties with an ABUSIVE relationship. Op is not obligated to corrode their mental health into oblivion just to maintain contact with people who would just as soon eat your face.
If your relationship works for you, that’s great. But don’t expect everyone to be that shining beacon on the hill as an example.
@@GrumpyOldFart2 Trust me. I understand. I cut ties with two abusive relationships before I found a healthy one.
One I cut off ties completely. One I have open channels with. I know it can't always be done. Nor should it always be done. But I think the IDEAL is to keep channels open when possible.
Based as hell take!
One: I'm glad you have been separated from your abusers. Two I'm glad you see the value ib dialog with those who obese the a potential but have the perspective to know where to draw the line.
It's admirable and appreciated. You bring hope where others might see only bleakness. I wish you the absolute best.
@@robertbeste the world is better because you are in it. Sincerely.
This youtuber is coming at this from a very privileged position. The fact that she can just up and leave the country speaks to that privilege.
Y'all just need to talk... Okay, bye!
@@Tredemptation lol 😂 yup, I'm sure that will solve everything. 🙄
I do understand, and in some cases I agree. But we’re talking about a party who overwhelmingly still support gun rights over the safety of children. Sandy Hook caused an INCREASE in gun purchases and absolutely nothing was done to prevent another shooting.
In order to talk, both sides have to be on a same plane. You can't have a legitimate conversation when one side has a fictionalized anecdotes. Eg. Rogan talking about some friend of a friend who teaches kids who want to be furries.😅
Right! Which is why "they" push such absurdities. They know we can't really do anything with that.
Two wings of the same dying bird
You have to start with the same set of facts like hey the sky is blue, guarantee a conservative will disagree
@@firstlast8258 r/im14andthisisdeep
These people think theyre the ingenious ones. Its mind boggling how narcissistic they are that they cant just admit they dont know s*** ab s***.@@OscarLangleySoryu
The problem is that the conversation actually begins when the other side is willing to listen. This is not typically the case.
That's cause you want THEM to listen to YOU first, but the best way to do what she is saying is for YOU to listen to THEM first.
Also depends on whether "the other side" is motivated by cruel intentions, if their ideology requires one to ignore the humanity of those not identical to themselves in look and beleifs, aka irrational prejudice formed by misinformation,misunderstanding and fear of the new and unfamiliar.
Growing up as an immigrant kid in a small town I am well more aware of the oppressive/ strict "conservative values" than they were of less oppressive more casual "non conservative" ones.
Some republicans won’t listen, but some will. Don’t waste time on the stubborn ones, but don’t give up either.
if by listen you mean 'not vote for Trump' then not gonna happen. but most republicans are willing to listen to your perspective, but leftists are very intolerant and hostile especially reddit users
@@Lunch_Meat That is what I do. I listen to them first, allow them to tell me their grievances, why they feel the way they feel, etc, but when it I talk, it either goes in one ear and out the other, or they'll forcefully disengage from the situation because they don't want to listen to what I say. It's a problem on both sides but the right tends to have this be a much bigger problem (younger right wingers are usually much more open to listening and engaging though)
No you dont stop the civil war by talking tt the ohter side you stop a civl war by breaking the political poewr the side screaming for civil war has.
In case you haven't noticed, the violence has already started and the other side is nearly half the country (the armed half). This isn't going to end well, but that's the flawed nature of mankind.
@@chrisdonovan8795 lmao The left has guns too. This idea that the right is somehow universally armed and better trained with weaponry is laughable and going to get so many right-wingers killed
So based. Luv it🫡
@@chrisdonovan8795 the armed half? Brother you think we don't have guns too? We do. This idea that only conservatives have guns is going to get many, many people killed.
Step 1: stop watching corporate news
Immediately after the 2016 election, I reached out to people i knew who voted for Rump, as I honestly wanted to understand why. Here are the responses I got: the Rump voters felt vengeful and victimized because they wanted to do/say racist and misogynistic things and still be treated with admiration and respect as if they'd said/did nothing wrong. Basically, they wanted the "right" to continue harming others with no consequences to them. They were very angry that society was becoming more civilized.
I never heard anything tangible. It was all and only about preserving their entitlement to make life horrible for people whose existence they don't like.
During these discussions, i was respectful, but gently reminded them that women and people of color are also worthy of respect - when i did, they became obstinent and the conversation was over. Basically, i learned that the only way to have a reciprocal convo with republicans, is to denounce the humanity of most people- something i just will not do.
Truly insightful to the extent that I feel depressed. There's absolutely nothing new that we can learn from the conservatives. The probability of productive conservations with them is just as slim as a miracle, I'm afraid.
Right, and I'm gonna guess that if you were even able to get that far with them in the first place, you're the "right" demographics to do so. Imagine _being_ that trans woman of colour or whomever minority and attempting that conversation-? It's not a thing that can happen.
This is SPOT ON! To your point, i have a neighbor whos a trump person and ive never made my political affiliation known to them. These people basically just walk up and say racist and bigoted things and think because i too am white, this will be my opinion also..... Its so wild how open they are with such shameful things. I just stared at him to make him feel as uncomfortable as possible. But going back to what you said, your first point is really the sweet spot. They want to be horrible humans but still garner everyones respect and be a pillar in the community. Just gross humans.
Thanks for trying
Funny thing is while the trump supporters I talked to sounded like they were saying the same things, as soon as I learned to listen more I found out that I was still framing their beliefs in my head instead of actually listening to them.
That "racist" uncle of mine doesn't actually hate other races, he DOES have black and brown friends from work, but he doesn't see systemic issues because he is working the same job and has the same life as his POC friends/coworkers. He can't wrap his head around the ideas I presented because he doesn't ever see evidence of them in his day to day life. I had to stop seeing his arguments and rejections as a proof of his racism and instead see them as well as I could through his eyes before I could develop a method for presenting the evidence in a way that his POC coworkers and friends could agree with.
The biggest problem I've got with this, is it isn't a discussion between two arguing parties. Republicans and Democrats aren't getting along because one thinks there should be lower taxes, or other rational arguments. The issue is that one side is a fascistic, authoritarian, theocratic movement whose basis of existence is, broadly speaking, not based in reality. So the fear and anger, at least from me, isn't coming from "my Republican friends and I just can't decide on whether we think Supreme Court justices should have lifetime appointments, and all we have to do is educate each other about the other side to find common ground". It's coming from "there is a movement in this country whose sole intention is to destroy democracy, install their guy as a dictator, and enforce extreme laws that make The Handmaids Tale look like an episode of Euphoria". So how do we reconcile when one side is an existential threat (and a violent one) to our country.
And, for what it's worth, conservatives don't want Civil War. They have no interest in setting up an alternative government or anything like that. What they mean when they say Civil War is "I'm just waiting for an excuse to kill anyone who doesn't agree with me"
Holy shit mate listen to yourself from the third person. You do know how radical you sound? You sound no better than a Qanon gay agenda conspiracy theorist saying that. No better at all.
Bingo. These aren't your Bush-era Republicans anymore. If you still support the Republican party in 2024, you're cosigning right-wing extremism.
Utter bee ess. The side you say is authoritarian is the one that wants smaller, less powerful, less intrusive government. What an irony. The left, OTOH, does want to tell others how to live down to what kind of car to drive, what kind of stove to have, even what kind of light bulbs we use. If regulating what kind of light bulbs to use isn't big government I don't know what is, think of it, even something as persnickety as a light bulb they are worrying about. No less critical is that they want to take more of the money you earn. Our freedom hinges on being able to keep what we earn. Economic freedom is the most important freedom of all, without it all the other freedoms don't matter like freedom of speech, or at least don't matter as much.
One of the rare times I disagree with Leeja.
Most of them are not coming from any rational headspace. Many are delusional followers of a religion, and think I should be shot dead if I think abortion and healthcare should be a birthright. *There’s no middle ground for them to even meet me on*
Says the side obsessed with children and can't define what is a woman
I grew up a conservative area and often talked to conservatives with some limited success, and I still do. I notice a big distinction however, between the pro Trump, and I won't call them anti - Trump, but the don't like Trump Republicans (most of this group still voted for him because they view democrats as worse)
The pro-Trump republicans are very, very hard to talk to
They’ve gone off the deep end. Cult members cannot be reasoned with. Which Leeja didn’t touch on.
sorry no, you've missed the mark here. this is not a both sides issue. people on the left have stopped talking to the right because the right has withdrawn themselves from reasonable discussion. they are the ones who must make the move for divisions to heal. I won't hold my breath
We have Newt Gingrich to thank for the right withdrawing from discourse. “How newt Gingrich broke politics”, podcast Fresh Air
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My concern isn't that we aren't talking to the other side, but that the otherside outright refuses to listen and practically lives in another reality. We have seen time and time again that the modern GOP will not accept anything other than outright fascism. There is no interest in talking or negotiating, only squeezing as much power as they possibly can out of the Democratic Party. When analysts say that the GOP is a threat to democracy in the United States they're not lying, I don't know why modern Democrats aren't taking this threat more seriously.
*Post live event comments*
I think for the most part the video was insightful, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around trying to convince fellow leftists/progressives that they need to be having conversations with people who don't engage arguments in good faith and regurgitate blatantly wrong information. How do you expect people to be genuinely engaged when they're having a conversation with someone who has little to no interest in being genuine?
*Added because I had an epiphany while reflecting on this video a few hours later*
I could be wrong in this statement, but I almost feel like Leeja isn't being entirely honest in this video. The entire purpose of this video was to convince fellow leftists/progressives that hard conversations need to be had and hard work needs to be done, even if you feel like it's pointless. That way, we can all better ourselves, have more bipartisan legislature get passed, and overall become better Americans. I have my doubts that she is being genuine, at 27:53 of the video she admits that she is applying for EU citizenship because she doesn't feel safe in the United States. Could this be a backup plan? Maybe? But in my opinion this gives off the impression that she doesn't actually believe that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for compromise. If she were being honest about believing there is a better future ahead of us, wouldn't she want to stay in the United States? I know her intentions of this video were good, but something about her dialogue doesn't sit right with me. If there is one thing I've learned over the past few years, it's that if you seed ground to facists, then they'll crave even more.
Two wings of the same dying bird
@@firstlast8258 I agree, but one wing is trying so desperately to flap while the other lies limp.
@@cookiekiller4658 only the final third of the wing is truly dead, the first third is trying to flap but out of step with the other wing and the middle third is just trying to hold the wing together.
@@cookiekiller4658 nope 🤓🖕
@@firstlast8258you aint helping much this way. re-asses your strategy
I can get along with some Republicans. I thought John McCain was tolerable if wrong on nearly every topic, as an example. However, when I tried to tell my uncle that I understood why guns would never go away, even if that's what I would prefer, I was subjected to a 40 comment thread on Facebook and told I was R-word-ed and to stupid to be allowed to vote, I was 37 at the time. When I told a different uncle he shouldn't kick his gay son out of his house I was told I was a problem for supporting his gay kid. So, I've tried talking to them. Most Republicans I know seem beyond help though.
Yeah my dad tried beating my chest in because he smelled the queer lol
I was like 10 and that lead me to some far right shit but getting a talking to from the left did not fix me seeing that what i was saying just made more people miserable did. You can't fix having no empathy.
That’s what watching right wing news media has done to them. You need to help them find a new news outlet for them to consume. But not one that is left wing to them. Try something more centrist and work from there.
So you talked to the extreme side of the aisle. Thats similar to them only talking to the blue haired feminists and making thier whole opinion of feminism based on that.
Most republicans are disaffected whites that are on the verge on being overwhelmed demographically. If I were them, I’d be pissed too. What do you have to complain about?
I’m Conservative I’m sorry to hear that, the unfortunate reality is both sides are very unwilling to have conversations at the moment, the solution starts with unconditional empathy, and a willingness to listen to the other side. You need to tell your uncle that he’s being a terrible person, not just that you disagree with his political opinions.
I agree… but the thing is, folks on the right need to see this. All the sharing in the world won’t matter when that particular person is dead set on winning.
TY Leeja as a Trans Woman in TX. I hate the fact that people don't understand. But I try and explain what happens in my mind . I'm not a Psychologist or a Psychiatrist but I hate when even part of my Community calls me a Pedo or a Groomer. I've been watching anyone who is hosting Yanis Nalifakis an economist from Greece. IMO if we could convince people on Class Solidarity it would be so much easier to convince them on other matters. I have my Passport ready if things get worse here in TX or in Murrica I can jump across the BORDER.
Then just leave Texas?
@@MagicBus-ct7fe "just leave Texas": So instead of being given basic human rights, we should all just leave?
@07Flash11MRC if you are not a hypocrite. You would leave America completely. Democrats say America is a stolen land . So if they do what they say .then in truth not a single woke Democrat should stay
@@07Flash11MRCyeah, you know, pipe leaking all over your kitchen? Just leave your house!
I'm sorry, but No. It cannot be incumbent on decent people to be the ones to have to reach out to fascists EVERY TIME. I'm sorry but I'm done with that. If they were decent people who cared about others, they wouldn't be trump voters.
I don’t feel like you’re wrong, but perhaps not comprehensive. Yes there are plenty of fascists. My uncle is basically one. But my cousin isn’t one yet. And I can’t talk my uncle out of his stance. There’s honestly no point in trying. But his son isn’t too far gone yet.
How exactly is the border and migrant crisis supposed to convince us that Biden is a caring person? Turning the USA into a third world S*hole is not an act of caring, it is an act of insanity.
@@joshuashelley9481 it is a fascist movement, from top to bottom
@@joshuashelley9481 The problem is, however, that you'll have a sliver of time to try to talk your cousin, while the rest of his day is filled with UA-cam, tik Tok, etc filled with extremist content. You're fighting a losing battle this way.
@@joshuashelley9481 Speaking from personal experience, young people who can potentially fall into this thinking can only get out of it on their own. You go and talk to them but understand that the best you can do is plant seeds that may still never germinate.
I agree with many of these points, but as a trans person, trying to confront those with right wing beliefs always has a chance of turning into direct violence against me, and I do not believe that it is my duty to risk my life to try and change a few minds. Not saying that people shouldn't, just that not everyone can engage with people in this way without posing an extreme risk to their personal safety.
This is the type of stuff that really annoys me that is not thought of in this topic. People get murdered for this type of stuff and we are asking you to put yourself in that position. It's completely unreasonable, unfair, and more importantly, as you said...dangerous.
That's solely because you've been CONVINCED that's the case. It's not rooted in reality, only in corporate propaganda.
@@feddyvonwigglestein3481 winner of the ignorant af comment award right here
💯 as a black trans woman, I was walking into a club, and this guy started yelling he wished he could unload a clip into me. So my fear is how can I tell the ones that just want to argue and the ones that want to unload a clip into me.
@@that__girl_fromlmfao that didn't happen nice fanfic tho
I’m not a democrat and I hate conservatism. I love learning about politics, but I really hate talking about it.
I’ve never been a largely political but I have a rough time with this one. I was in the Army Guard and was mobilized to DC in January 2021. Trump supporters literally pointed guns at me, capital police etc… it’s hard for me to find the trump supporter that isn’t one of those people. I mean, where was their sympathy? I’m a father, I just wanted to defend the constitution then go back home to my wife and kids. I’m out of the army now, but feel like one side showed their nature then.
1. Jan. 6 was in 2020, not 2021
2. None if the protestors were armed
3. It's the national guard that would have been deployed not the army
4. Pelosi stopped their deployment
As someone who crawled out of the alt-right pipeline, I don't think there is a way to change people's minds. I lost friends, chased away the love of my life, and threw away good academic and career opportunities because of the ideology. What finally got me started on the path away was the White Nationalists going mask off around late 2018 and all the people who said "the only colors that matter are red, white, and blue" turned out to be full of it.
That being said, it's important to talk and communicate. It takes velvety soft kid gloves and the patience of a saint, but it's important work. Fascism (and that's exactly what it is) feeds on insecurity and isolation. Cutting ties and tearing them down only helps the broader cause.
it took me a solid five minutes of scrolling to find somebody that wasn’t absolutely disgusted by the idea of talking to the other side, goddamn.
As a former right wing whacko myself this is probably the most correct comment I’ve yet seen, as it mirrors my own deconversion process.
@@ringsystemmusicexactly bro I’m over here thinking just do it but ig it’s prolly cus I’m not gay or trans or sum
The irony of course being that you DID change your mind when presented with the right info
@@flaminhotfuckingcheetos2536 As some one who is gay and being called groomer every time, Im tired of that. Im guessing no one on the reich is doing a video like this.
Well said
I'm a marine corps vet that lives in a small Colorado town, I struggle alot lately from isolation, people see my eagle globe and anchor on my hat and instantly think I'm a Trump supporter. When you are out numbered by the extremists you have to isolate for your own safety, I'm a disabled vet I can't just up and move and this area was really nice before every day life political
Stay safe brother. At least you've got the camouflage if things do hit the fan.
So your problem is that your side thinks that you're a Trump supporter because of a hat insignia. And your response is to...call the right extremists. lol.
Mr. Barker, I am sorry but I have succumbed to that bias a lot. I've interacted with (mostly younger, enlisted, male) Marines on quite a few occasions over the last half-decade and it's usually been a pretty sickening experience, especially if anything political comes up (with a couple notable exceptions.) Not to mention the people I know who have been sexually harassed or assaulted by (often drunk and underage) male Marines.
I've even stayed away from any Marine NCOs after some barfight they had with bikers in Texas last year since it indicated to me a lack of restraint or consideration for the lives of one another (alongside the stories of Marines dying from dehydration or insane overwork in basic.)
Marines have always given me the indication that, unlike the other branches, they have stubbornly refused to shed many of their cultish or otherwise abusive aspects (not to mention the sheer amount of horrible shit the female Marines are put through.)
I am aware these are a limited pool of anecdotal experiences, but they do weigh on my mind whenever I see a Marine. You are probably a fine person, and don't deserve to be painted with this brush. I am not sure if there is anything that can be done without some level of participation in community outreach, which can be difficult depending on your age, or some other activities that force contact between you and the rest of your local community so you can meet people and show them the kind of person you are.
I hope you will be able to find a way to achieve that.
Womp womp
As a person who leans center left. I wish I was your neighbor. You would have zero problems. I wish you the best. If I could do more. I would.
How do you hope to change the opinion of people whose key self-defining factor is the opposition to change (conservatism)?
I live in Florida. I have to do this to get along with people. I listen to and read a wide range of content regarding politics up to and including Timcast and some others. Because my father listened to Rush Limbaugh on the radio every day, not because he liked him, he disagreed profusely and still found it important to know the other side. We can’t dehumanize. You can’t change someone’s mind if you don’t understand how their mind is working.
I have tried talking with so many people who are republican, trumpers, etc., with nothing but anger and a general sense of sadness for the state of the country. I keep as level headed as possible and all I get is a brick wall from anyone but my father.
I understand that talking to both sides is needed, but when the other half doesn’t listen or gets aggressive, that’s not on us.
Boom.
Trust me as a moderate myself it’s both sides not just the right. Some of the most toxic conversations I’ve ever had came from lefties not conservatives
@@chrismcnuggett I minimally (very rarely) have these experiences when having real socio-political conversations with people identifying as 'leftist'.
When having the same or similar conversations with people identifying as conservative or Republican, it is well-more than 50% of the time that they go "toxic".
@@chrismcnuggettsounds like a you problem, Bud.
@@chrismcnuggettare you talking to "leftists" or "Twitter weirdos"? Those people don't speak for us.
i understand your point but i really disagree with the framing of "we're refusing to talk to Republicans", when so many minorities HAVE been trying to talk to these people that seemingly do not have empathy or understanding for marginalized groups.
Same thing with equating extreme right with extreme left; there’s no extreme left. Wanting universal healthcare, a living wage and an end of racism and bigotry is not extremism.
@@jd4121 Correct! there is pretty much no "extreme left" in the United States.
And how have they been "talking" to these Republicans? Just saying "You're racist/sexist/homophobic/etc and need to stop." does not count.
@@jd4121 Did left wing political riots not happen in 2020?
@@downsjmmyjones101 would you rather we sugar coat it?
You are literally amazing. Talk about timing. And funny you mention the married couples thing! Because my spouse and I got into something a bit heated for a minute because I had made points similar to this. That we need to consider the other side’s viewpoints, not to switch sides but to stop the further and further separation of American People. To be able to talk to each other. To find middle ground. This separation is hugely responsible for so many ongoing issues that could be resolved. But I was quickly misunderstood, my words were taken as “I’m considering becoming a Republican/Conservative”. Which is not what I was saying.
We found common ground again after some explanation, but it was so apparent to me in that moment how difficult it is to even INTRODUCE the idea that we might be going about this the wrong way and need to change course quickly before things get worse. Thank you for taking the risk on the nose.
Well said. I found this video instructive and insightful on how to communicate with those with differing views. Yet, I found myself agreeing with those who fear for their lives and are worried about maga influence. Leeja wasn't suggesting that anyone risk their lives or mental health to do this, so I do feel for her taking that heat. This was not an easy video for her to make.
This is very good and practical advice with ASTOUNDINGLY awful framing. I think the problem is not that the advice is bad, it is just being given as a solution to a problem it is comically ill suited to solving. The advice she gives here is a pretty good way to get equitable with people you disagree with and help get them closer to your views.
It is incredibly naïve and distasteful to present this as the way to prevent a goddamn civil war. Texas Governor Greg Abbott has publicly announced he will ignore the government and supreme court and take the law into his own hands, and many prominent members of the alleged part of law and order have leapt at the chance to help him. This is not a hearts a minds issue. You will not stop a civil war one heartfelt conversation at a time because men like Abbott do not need majority support, they need the support of an extremely motivated minority, and for the powers that be to not properly enforce the law against them.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott has publicly announced he will ignore the government and supreme court and take the law into his own hands,
-Just false, SCOTUS said they have to let the feds remove wire, not that they couldn't place more. And wouldn't you know, the feds didn't even bother with removing it anyway.
How can you talk to peopler who's entire identity and reality is shaped by one reality-detached narcissist? They are a literal, not metaphorical, cult at this point.
I'm not trying to insult them when I say they're braindead and heartless cult members. it's not hyperbolic; it's what I believe about them. They believe what they want to believe, what makes them feel superior.
You mean the cult of hateful feminitism, transgender madness, LGBT Insanity and the list goes on
Trump voter. We don't think about Trump all day every day after voting for him, dude. I vote Trump every four or so years and then I go about the rest of my day. It's not that deep, chillax. And then you'll probably wonder a few weeks from now why we think leftists value emotion over logic. You've literally convinced yourself into thinking that Trump voters are bad people because Trump himself says dumb, impulsive stuff that never translates into actual policy.
We vote Trump because we don't want low quality Democrat candidates telling us that we're "deplorables" when in reality, many of us vote Trump because we genuinely think Democrats, especially in 2016 and 2020, have weak policies. No, we're not racist just because we don't want Clinton or Biden in office. Get better candidates who don't think literal men should be competing against women in sports and maybe, just maybe, you'll change our minds.
There are people that I have cut out of my life from politics. It has made my life better.
If you cut people out of your life solely because of political disagreements, it will only vindicate their views and make them associate with more extreme crowds. You might have inadvertently created another Proud Boy or III%er because your views aren't being expressed in their space.
Boom.
same. i won't make friends with a maga. i need to stop talking to them on twitter. today i had a sterling example why. dude accused me of having tds, then claimed i really loved trump. he said this all in a ONE THOUSAND WORD comment. yeah, he has a blue check. he called me 'lonely', when he only has 500 followers. lol
Do these include family?
I think when dealing with family it makes things worse in the long run. If you sever your ties with family over politics, you really need to re-evaluate how you build your relationships. If the basic foundation is comparing your politics to others, you're not gonna have an ability to make anyone change their mind, and end up vindicating the other side in the process.
Lost all my conservative friends to conversative media, but I still close to my parents. They liked Nikki Halley, growth I guess. One friend was dear to me, and I warned him about listening to the fear mongering. He had a child and asked for my advice about his fear over protecting him. I told him it is a reconciliation with reality. He has to go to work, his kids go to school, he can't be around them 24/7, so educate yourself and accept. He bought an assault rifle instead. Then a glock for a wife. I saw it on a pillow in the living room. He says it for home invasions, they happen all the time. He had another child and bought more guns. He then said he no longer trusts me, and not to come by anymore. It is too dangerous to go there regardless.
Sorry, but I feel no desire to find "common ground" with people who think that LGBT+ people like myself are unworthy of life.
Agreed. As much as I like Leeja, I unfortunately have to disagree with this video. As an Aroace autistic woman I have nothing to say to those who want my dead.
Me being a transgender woman living in a conservative Christian household
The Bible literally doesn't say anything about being trans though. I don't know how Christians convinced themselves otherwise. The most they have is Deuteronomy 22:5, which is about cross-dressing and only applies to the Israelites.
Besides, so many Christians like to say that the Old Testament doesn't matter anymore, so there's that.
@@PatrickWDunne social conditioning essentially. Christianity in much of america has become heavily political.
You're the 21st century Rambo.
@@Phil9874True but also has Christianity and religion in general ever not been political?
Do whatever you need to do to be as safe as possible. Self-defense is good for you.
Part of the issue is that, if you're left leaning, you got that way by listening to and empathize with other viewpoints, respecting other backgrounds. That's antithetical to being conservative. It seems more like right winged individuals are set in their ways. And this is coming from someone who knows a number of them.
They truly are set in their ways and resist change, yet change happens whether you like it or not
That’s the thing- targeting unempathetic voters with empathetic points is pointless. *but* that doesn’t mean there are none: the way to proceed with the selfish is to demonstrate how the GOP actively hurts them, and how it would be better if _certain economic policies_ would help them whoever it’s enacted by, and at least initially ignore the oh so convenient fact of it being only considered by those with leftist ideals
I actually tried this in college with a very...trying individual back in 2018. Ex military, remarkably scared of democrats like myself. I talked to him about all sorts of political and historical topics, without letting on that I was a registered democrat with personal views far more left than what that party actively supports. I suppose I presented myself as a Moderate when I decided not to challenge his views more than simply prodding questions and clarifications out of him. I just wanted to get into his mindspace on topics like gun control and affirmative action (he told me SO MUCH about how he hates his female professors). Finally the truth slipped out on the subject of guns. I told him about my distaste in guns. He said I wouldn't 'be so afraid' if I just shot a few of them. I informed him that I had fired three different guns and it didn't change my opinion on gun ownership. He informed me that he was currently packing, right there on a college campus. I turned and walked away. Which I admit wasn't much of an ideological response at all. I just really wanted to get away from this guy in that moment.
Lmao sooooyyyyyy affluent suburbanite frightened in a western society, go report him and make a stink about how you believe you are morally correct.
I have been thinking about such an approach since a long time . Its not about winning argument, it's just about disillusionment and clearing people's apprehension about that binary group.
As a leftist, it is my personal belief that it is impossible to be a modern Republican with a conscience. The cognitive dissonance required for that is just far too much to sustain long-term.
The same can be said about liberals
@@thatguyyouhatealot Liberals are centre-right, dingus.
I’ve met some republicans they’re fine
@@flaminhotfuckingcheetos2536 Some just don't want their guns taken away. Perfectly reasonable if you live in a rural area
@@thatguyyouhatealotI’m sayin like idc bout ya guns brah just don’t use it on me lol
I feel like this framing puts the burden of avoiding violence on the potential victims of said violence.
"If you just talk to them, thet won't want to hurt you for supporting someone other than trump." Don't get me wrong, i debate conservatives all the time. But they are so misinformed and willfully ignorant that it starts feeling like we aren't even experiencing the same reality.
@@darthbahnsen3832 Right? If only Charles Sumner had talked more with the other side instead of letting himself get caned nearly to death… we could have avoided that whole first Civil War!
@@darthbahnsen3832 Try treating the willfully ignorant as informed liars instead. They don't really think masks cause cancer, they imagine life would be better after a deadly pandemic, and that viruses will cull all the people they hate. But they don't think they can say that part out loud yet. So they pretend to believe what they can say out loud.
That is true, but the reality is that not all of us have the luxury of isolating from republican family members or colleagues. If there's a way to handle the less extreme republicans, or at a minimum give them pause then I think that's worth listening to.
I’m starting to think they are a lost cause. During a conversation with my trump supporter grandpa, he was going on a rant about immigrants and I said “they’re just people, like us” and he responded “no they aren’t”
1. Most Democrats aren't really particularly leftist by any standard except in the United States (The big difficulty is capitalism and our relationship with it). That's not to yell at Democrats in particular, but more pointed at the idea that most of the viewership here is super leftist. This isn't even a particularly leftist channel. But it's pretty decent for the United States in all honesty.
2. Sure, if you really have the energy, do go ahead and try talking with conservatives. Especially if you're a white person. Sometimes you'll even luck out and come across somebody who has fairly leftist or centrist sentiments but somehow hasn't caught on that the Republican party is diametrically opposed to literally all of that. I ran into that with both my mother and my ex-father-in-law. Both grew up as Republicans but had no real idea of what their own party stood for.
3. Talking with people from the conservative camp is fantastic if you can, but your chances of success are generally pretty damn low. People are suffering and dying right now and this necessitates major legal and leadership changes long before the time frame in which real cultural change is likely to happen.
Basically, this isn't really an admonishment, per se, but this stuff about talking to your conservative friends and relatives comes about pretty frequently and usually ends up being pretty low-reward. I'm fairly convinced it's more a way to make white Democrats feel better about themselves than to actually accomplish much.
My additions and take aways: Time is a major requirement in this issue, as well as choosing your opportunities or battles. I am Black in the south and have served and retired from military as well as served and retired as Firefighter/Paramedic. This places my entire adult life into multiple diverse opinions and conversations while serving those who have been taught to disregard my leadership, professionalism and especially my opinion no matter what their age and whether blue or red. So, Disappointment is the first thing I expect. Humanizing is the most challenging concept but also the most abundant conversation I can have here in the GA mountains. I am talking face to face interactions ( I learned long ago of the wasted time of "arguing" with literal teenagers on blogs and chat rooms). Because I am usually the only non white person at a gathering, I draw a lot of curiosity and probing on hot topics and I will drop a cooled response on the conversation and back it up by being an example of a good neighbor that brings strength, conviction and quality to my community. That is my daily goal with this group. If there is hard opposition, I just simply leave it alone and walk away. Plus, I will not disrespect my neighbors home and hospitality whether Im right or wrong, or perceived to be. Rambling now but could go all day on this subject Leeja.
As someone who grew up around these types of Repubs I ask: How to you have a conversation with someone who has their fingers in their ears going ' la la la la I can't hear you'? It's not that I don't try it's that they're convinced they are in the right and don't want to hear anything I have to say, let alone try to empathize with what my life experience in their ideal world would look like. I'm open to suggestions but so far it seems more important for the MAGA crowd to feel vindicated and righteous than to cooperate with the perceived enemy. All the while the elites are laughing in their ivory towers enjoying watching the show.
I ask a counter point: How do you know every republican you meet is either deranged or sane (MAGA or not) unless you try to talk to them calmly and non-judgementally and then learn if they are completely lost, ignore them and walk away, if there is hope then you can help them to understand just how lost they are.
that's the literal billion dollar question. only thing that comes to my mind is the cheney's changing their mind when things hit too close to home. most def is a personal level approach, still tricky.
If someone hangs out with Nazi’s and supports them for office, that’s pretty much a Nazi right?
It doesn’t matter if some republicans ‘aren’t maga’ because in the end, they’re voting to monsters in. WHY they’re voting them in doesn’t matter much; what does is that they clearly can excuse hate and harmful intentions of it gets them what THEY want 🤷🏻♀️
@@TheOmegaXicor maybe because the vast majority believe that jan 6th was justified, believe in qanon and generally cheer when some rightwinger unalives gay ppl in a mass shuuting (gotta skirt yt rules replace u with o)
diplomacy isnt on the table with american conservatives
@@TheOmegaXicorbecause they still voted for him again in 2020 despite everything bad he did and they're currently voting for him in primaries after all the indictments and Jan 6 evidence.
Brazil's been through this during the 2022 presidential elections. Everyday during '22 was insane, we were used to waking up to news like "men gets into birthday party of a left supporter and kills him and his family" or "woman gets assaulted on the sidewalk for carrying a left party badge on her purse". I hope you guys can make it through this insane time to keep democracy and a civil state stable in the USA.
Thanks for the best wishes, I hope it gets better for you guys too.
@@jgray2718they got a socialist president out of all that bs. The best we can hope for atm is a puppet.
Everything went to shit since 2014 ellection, where the right wingers claimed for coup.
I recently got the chance of my life to travel to Brazil. Amazing. I love Brazil. I was able to actually speak to some people in Brazil. They were far more open than people here but perhaps because I was coming from an outsider position. I believe we will all make it because so many of us want to and because there are so many contingencies. ❤
@totonow6955 that's awesome that you came to Brazil and enjoyed your time here! I also believe you'll be able to push the fascists agenda off and keep moving towards the idea of a plural and democratic state. The sad thing is that in order to accomplish that, you guys may have to go through some hard times with one another.
I think this is great advice for both sides. As a moderate conservative, who have used a lot of these tips for years to have open conversations with my Liberal friends. We have been able to have serious and in depth conversations about some of the most hot button topics without making it personal. We have shared why we believe differently and have found common ground and compromise in laws that we wouldn't support before. I hope both sides remember that the people on the other side are your friends, family and neighbors. 😊
You're not a moderate conservative. At least, not any more. You're a RINO, as they like to say, and I suspect you know that already. If you don't believe me, feel free to post that little bit of dialogue in an actually conservative chat/discussion space and see what happens. Welcome to the left, btw.
I've made an attempt not to get too deep into political discussion without acknowledging some of the things you said in this video in my own content. I normally don't see leftist UA-cam channels that extend empathy to centrists and republicans, so this is actually pretty refreshing. It goes both ways, though. If more people of all walks of life were as realistic about disagreement as you were in this video, the country would be in much better shape.
If I can't change people's mind that I, a trans woman, deserves rights, what is the point? This is a serious question.
I hate it when people do that I promise you most people who believe in God are not like that
Which rights?
@@thinkharder9332the fucking right to exist
You know which rights ya fuck@@thinkharder9332
@@thinkharder9332 the right to pull the padge in women's spaces and dominate women's sports.
So wild to me that people using objective facts and pushing against open hypocrisy are constantly told to be more patient wirh people actively seeking to harm people. If it boils over into conflict it will be sparked from one side and wont be quelled by "hugging it out"
Well put.
It is starting to feel like what people tell abused wives. "Have you tried being nice to him, and not making him angry?', while they seek help to escape.
As far as I know I am the only left-leaning person in my family. My brothers both don’t really care since they’re teens, but my mom and dad do. While I CANNOT have political discussions with my mom for numerous reasons, I’ve had a small amount of discussions with my dad. A big surprise for me to find out was that we DO agree on some base points, but the way we thought was proper to act on those beliefs was completely different. He’s a lot more civil than my mind has built him up to be.
A huge problem for me is that a lot of my beliefs are tied up in the fact that I’m part of a lot of the classes that both of them believe don’t deserve rights. Whenever we get into discussions that breach those topics I go into fight or flight mode. It’s something I’m trying to work on. A part of me thinks if I came out it would make them listen to me more on those topics, but most of me knows that they would try to fix me or use it to justify ignoring me. So I keep quiet and when we do breach those topics everything explodes.
I really wish I could have these discussions with them though. I wanna understand them. I just know it’s not safe to do so because it puts me at risk. Someday though. I hope it’ll be safe. I love my family and I just wish they could love me despite our differences.
I grew up in a very progressive area of the country with very conservative parents (my mom became the county chair of the Republican Party). After publicly expressing support for progressive causes, I got a lot of my family reach out and accost me for my "ignorance." Years later, my parents are just as conservative and I'm more progressive, yet we have even more conversations about politics. I don't expect to ever win over 68 year old people, but I do hope to show them that not all progressives want them dead or jailed, that all my lgbtq friends don't want to corrupt children, my immigrant wife doesn't want to steal their jobs and make their heritage taboo and they can face the future with hope and not fear.
I really love Leeja's work but on this topic, I'm going to have to strongly disagree. As a black and autistic person, I live in Tallahassee, the capital of Florida. My state is the closest in the country to becoming a literal fascist police state. Not a second goes by in which the Florida GOP and governor Ron DeSantis try to impoverish, alienate, disenfranchise, and discriminate aginst communites like myself and others. We're currently passing a law that will forbid giving workers cooling breaks and a law defending Confederate monuments. No, Leeja, we cannot talk to these people. The best thing for us on the left is to prepare for an eventful conflict with these people if they try something stupid if they lose the election.
If? When. They love what the Confederates did. They support the LITERAL MURDER OF AMERICANS.
Cardio is the most useful thing we can all do right now
I mean I get the point and I wish it were this way and maybe in some small small cases talking to a fascist will work but there's a reason why the anti-fa allies in World War II stormed to the beaches of Normandy with machine guns and tanks and not picnic baskets. It's because you can't just talk to fascists. If you could just talk people out of fascism, there wouldn't be fascism to begin with.
In from Tallahassee too. You are 10000% correct.
@@MaejorArray The issue is more about how many right wingers there even are that you CAN talk to. The majority in my life either argue outright or dismiss and seethe (sadly my grandma does the latter after bringing up some talking point about my transition that I refute with both personal experience and factual data, so its not like this is random people or even coworkers). We've gone from a decent number of GOP in power being willing to talk to basically none (I can't think of one, though there's probably one or two somwhere out there) AND a handful of Dems taking point where the old Republicans used to be. There is a point where we have to acknowledge that avoiding political violence requires both sides to want that and the right simply doesn't anymore.
I'd like to say. As an autistic person who is a recently converted leftist. The fact that people respond to feelings instead of facts makes me want to live on another planet.
Same.
both sides do this tbh
A recently converted Leftist is a person who wants the nation to go from bad to worse.
Same here. I consider both factual and anecdotal arguments and weigh each one to see which one holds more weight. I wish people could be more logical and take facts, data, statistics, and fields of study more seriously. If you're arguing with a homophobe that's saying homosexuality isn't natural just because of what their Bible says, showing them scientific studies that found homosexual behaviors in thousands of other species in the animal kingdom shouldn't just be dismissed just because it might not line up with that person's views. Objectively, facts do hold more weight than emotions and personal anecdotes. I know that's probably just human nature for people to be guided by emotions but I've never been a big fan of human nature. I hope we evolve past that.
@@ravimediatube true.
This is by far, the best presentaton ive seen on UA-cam. You always excel at explaining complex issues, but you hit the mark on this one. I could go on for days complementing you on this effort but I'll just leave it with thank you and job very well done. 🥰
I fully agree and I think it’s lost on the vast majority of commenters. Will be interesting to see where we are at a decade from now.
I use this approach with my Pro Trump father in law. I am a man and have been with his son for almost a decade. We are never going to agree on most things, but I have been able to see some of his views and form arguments from them, find parts where we agree from the beginning, but take different viewpoints afterwards, and rare times where actually agree. It's needed. It's not perfect. There are times where I have to shut up to just not have a political fight. But it does work.
But I think a fair question to put to your father in law is: "When it comes down to it, will you vote for (insert conservative politician) knowing their policies could harm your son and I"?
Cause at the end of the day, action is all that matters and reveals a person for who they really are.
Republicans: We want to take your autonomy rights.
Centrists: Hold on, let's hear them out.
This
Democrats before elections: we will codify your autonomy rights into law
Democrats after elections: we only have 65 votes in the Senates so we can't protect your autonomy rights sorry :(
@@jeffersonclippership2588literally. They both suck and I’m sick of voting for the lesser evil. We need a goddamn restart.
@@jeffersonclippership2588yep, dems are opposed opposition. this has always been a fascist empire and the dems: the “other side” is content with business as usual as long as they have political power theyre happy to do nothing because at the end of the day theyre making money.
We don't want to take your rights, we have convictions (both religious and secular) that our communities hold. I've been an advocate of proselytizing and conversion from left-wing beliefs rather than government intervention, as there's no concious choice.
Certain charismatic individuals have hijacked our movement (Donald Trump), as an excuse to gain power. I'm more center-right, but that's kind of how I see the current situation in the Republican party.
I believe we are on the cusp of another spiritual "Great Awakening" like in the past. But people like Trump and DeSantis are really holding it back.
Leeja, could you find one of those open minded Republicans you say exist and actually have a debate with them that follows these rules on your channel? I'd love to see examples of an actual conversation using actual issues that divide the parties and see if these techniques are effective at either helping us understand right wing viewpoints, finding common ground, or helping the republican understand left wing viewpoints.
I gotta say that I agree with most of the comments I've read that it seems like leftists are always being told to communicate, cooperate, and show empathy to people who desire to do none of that with us. Like debating with cannibals over what to have for dinner, as they say. And it's no longer just about what foreign policy seems best or what tax structures we should adopt - it's over whether certain groups should have basic human rights!
Her video was theoretical. At one point she says that you shouldn't expect to change their mind, yet that's the whole point. We don't have to be confrontational. Live your best life. Help your friends, and let these MAGA Republicans live their lives of failure.
Amen!!
I don't think we should compromise on issues surrounding equality. I don't think talking with a republican politician is going to be remotely helpful. And I don't think debating any republican is going to be helpful. But I do think sharing your perspectives with a republican, and hearing theirs, is healthy. If they spew bigotry at you, leave. We see so much of politicians, and tweets, and crazy right wing nutters in videos tho. Most people aren't nearly that connected to politics, or extreme. Try to talk to one of them
I have listened and explained respectfully multiple times, and I get scolded by my bigoted family members for my anti-bigoted beliefs. I stand up to them respectfully and even explain every time they say something bigoted, and they make a huge scene. These people are often long gone.
In my opinion, this is a huge part of the problem. I feel that there aren’t any open minded leftists willing to have a respectful debate with and the left feels there are no open minded republicans to respectfully debate. I also believe I have a really good grasp of the lefts arguments for most of the major topics and that they have no understanding of what I believe or why. I’m sure you feel the same way but in reverse but this has led to us no longer communicating at all. I continue to try and talk with the left but if you read a lot of comments below us righties are called awful names and lumped into some horrible accusations without ever getting a chance. I’m always up for a debate though, it’s the only way to find common ground.
Hey Leeja, I would happily welcome you to the EU as a fellow citizen. 🇺🇸🇪🇺