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US citizens that would be US colony and it’s a US based company starting the colony like The British company that started colonies in North America was the Virginia Company of London. Chartered by King James I in 1606, this company established the first permanent English settlement in North America, like Jamestown, in 1607 was the first settlement of the Virginia Colony, founded in 1607
Waste of resources. Rather develops an actual mega sized space station with extra effort on all the required facets including artificial gravity. Park it in orbit around the moon. Then work on developing industrial technology for the lunar surface. Lastly have a propulsion system on it so it could be " conveniently maneuvered say into the asteroid belt or as a station on way to Mars. Until we can effectively Terraform Mars " start developing a atmosphere " or figure out realistic interstellar propulsion colonizing Mars is dumb. Attain most of the raw materials on the moon and build a base that will not only do the job as a living environment but also be a foundation for researching detrimental effects of long duration space travel
@@WNYXeb777 This. Luna is four days away. Mars takes at least six months to reach. Both have comparable characteristics: low or no atmospheric pressure, low gravity, no magnetosphere, little water, low temperatures, possibly some minable minerals. The moon has the additional advantage of being much closer to the sun so better solar, and thermal energy powered by high temperatures on the daylight side.
“Communications would be difficult… imagine sending a message to a friend and having to wait hours, sometimes days, for a response.” Sounds about normal anyways. Everyone always pretends like they’re busy to respond quickly, anyways.
worst time lag is 48 minutes +the time to digest your message and compose the return message. Any delays on top of that are due to the human factors which, like you rightly state, are absolutely normal. As a matter of fact, the Martians probably have a LOWER effective delay due to the 'Oh it's Mars'-effect that'll probably be in place for at least the first few months.
It's no different than sending emails. Humans used to live like this for hundreds of years. So long as there are other humans with you on Mars (there will be, it's a city), you'll be okay
@@waspsandwich6548 Back in the sixties/seventies, long-distance phone calls were costly, so we hand-wrote cards and letters… we even sent “old fashioned” telegrams to remote areas. My art friends and I would draw on cards & letters… that was fun! Email was actually harder than handwriting until every interface had spell-check. (I’ve never really mastered typing TBH)
so true...everyone plays that stupid game of being " over busy" and " too important" and still carry their phone in their hands no matter of what they do.
On average, the temperature on Mars is about minus 80 degrees F (minus 60 degrees Celsius), the ground will be that temperature. I think building underground would make a great radiation shelter, but the ground temperature will be -80 degrees. The atmosphere is very thin however, I think heat will be conducted away faster by the ground than the thin Martian atmosphere. The atmosphere is an laboratory vacuum after all, in makes a good insulator, if doesn't warm you or cool you very much, the sun will warm you, but that is radiation.
When playing Surviving Mars I might have build a 'retirement dome' where colonists can spend their non-productive last days, complete with their own service levels and independent life support that definitely works all the time.
@@SebastianWellsTL Remember when Obamacare set up "death panels" to decide who lives and dies, and Trumpcare came along and eliminated them by replacing Obamacare with a thoughtful, reasoned approach to universal healthcare that respected everyone's life? Me neither.
_"...settlers will not have all of Earth's luxuries."_ Now THAT is an understatement! They'll be on a planet is always trying to kill them. The harshest place on Earth is a paradise in comparison to any random spot on Mars.
Earth is a paradise in comparison, but it *will* spew out burning rock, shake the whole world demolishing buildings and create humongous wind vacuum cleaners above the ocean, which sometimes feels like expanding a bit more towards the shore in a... melodramatic way
In other words, "surviving mars" and "The Expanse" will happen for real, but probably without the alien elements. I don't mind, I love that game and that show. I wish I could live long enough to see it though.
Exactly what I was thinking. In the last minute or so of the video where he discusses the longer term possibilities that is pretty much Mars as portrayed in The Expanse.
Another thing the optimists are neglecting face is that isolation makes people mental. The CoVid lockdowns and the aftermath should be a cautionary tale. Here in Texas, which didn't even have as extreme lockdowns as other places, people starting driving at suicidal speeds and they have yet to slow down. All over America, the rates of crime spiked directly after the lockdowns. Some of it has returned to normal, but when people are cooped up with other people, it definitely causes friction. And many people become "mental". And in such confined spaces any kind of pandemic might spread very quickly.
Here in Montana things are pretty much the same as they were pre Covid. Maybe we are just used to being coupled up for a while cause of winter. Either way Mars and a lack of the crazies on earth sounds very appealing to me. I hate cities and large groups so sign me up!
I don't think People are going to be dying on mars naturally because it is going to be beneficial to just bring people in early 60s or late 50s back to earth, if we send people in their late 20s to early 30s to mars they can comfortably work their for more than 20-30 years and comeback.
Perhaps we will have to build a large Space Station approximately 1 km in diameter. It will have to spin to create artificial gravity. It will have to likely have an inner section that does not spin that could serve as a docking area for space ships and shipping and receiving. It would have to have a middle section that can spin or stop spinning for the purpose of transferring people and goods to the permanent spinning section (or the section that is the most permanently spinning). It is likely that the outer almost permanently spinning section would normally have to have days of advanced notice before the spin could slow down or stop. The outer section would have to have locking clamps to secure any objects or food that is normally not secured during times of no artificial gravity. The outer section would be the living habitat and would need total or acceptable protection from radiation. The inner non-spinning section would likely house the engines for propulsion of the entire space station, and perhaps power for propulsion of the spin and breaking of the middle and outer sections (likely ring like perhaps the power from the center section could be transferred to the outer sections similar to the way electric street cars have a pole mounted on the street car that goes up to a wire, or perhaps like an electric train gets power from the tracks. There would likely have to be 2 or 3 nuclear power generators housed in the inner section and perhaps they would have the capability to be ejected from the station if one became unstable. This space station could then be sent to orbit Mars or any other moon or planet that would benefit from the station orbiting that body. This way, scientists, miners, builders, farmers, etc. could take necessary breaks from working on bodies that are dangerous to stay on for certain amounts of time.
The space wheel in 2001: A Space Odyssey had the port in the center that also spun and the ships had to spin at the same rate in order to dock with the station. Since it was spinning slowly it was still virtually zero G in the center.
So an elevator would suffice to move cargo from the hub to the outer rim. But, there's no free lunch in physics. The bigger the mass of the object the more thrust is required to move it. Space station transit thru deep space you say?
@@peterreimer2540 If the station was as supportive of human life as I imagined, the station could be moved to those orbits much slower. I'm not sure if that helps.
As exciting as it is to see SpaceX build its starship to get humans to mars I am becoming increasingly concerned for what will happen when people get there. As this video points out there are many known and unknown problems to be faced ranging from the harsh environment to just natural human flaws creating conflict. I am genuinely concerned over the technology for building mars habitats in situ, parts have been demonstrated but I am unsure of how mature this technology is. The tesla Optimums robot today is barley able to manipulate a brick let alone build a wall unsupervised and yet it seems the expectation is that it will be ready to ship to mars in two years to build up the 'manned base'. Yeah Elon makes big claims but Elon time is seldom reflected in reality. Still exciting to see what the future will hold.
If it happens, what will happen is quite obvious: 1) no matter the preparation, the preparation will prove to be inadequate. There are just too many unknowns to avoid that. 2) some shit will go horribly wrong, some people will die bad deaths. There will be public outrage. All remaining and future settlers will say 'yeah we know that shit could happen, and we know it could happen to us. We accept that. Now get out of the way and let us continue our job.' Just like the Apollo astronauts did after that test went horribly wrong. 3) is in doubt. Let's hope they manage some grand successes before that shit hits the fan, to provide some counterweight to the unavoidable public calls for cancellation, or something.
I worry about the perchlorate in the Martian soil. And even without the perchlorate, Mars soil has no biome that we take for granted on Earth for agriculture. The Jamestown Colony in Virginia had a 90+ % fatality rate for the first few decades. I fear that the beginning of a Mars colony may be similar. When you consider the precarious nature of survival on Mars, it dwarfs anywhere on Earth, even Antarctica. Antarctica or the top of Everest are a dream of habitability compared to Mars. On Mars, you will always be one malfunction away from death. The radiation problem is extreme as well. The colonists will be pummeled by hard radiation as soon as they leave the environs of Earth within the magnetosphere, and when galactic cosmic rays strike Stainless steel, they create cascades of secondary particle radiation. SpaceX will not have the resources to solve all these problems alone. I think there are going to need to be decades of development of support equipment by NASA and MANY other countries and corporations in order to make a Mars colony possible. I am glad we are going to the Moon first. It has the same radiation problem and is equally difficult to survive on. And if we want a terraformed atmosphere on Mars to persist, we MUST create an artificial magnetic shield for the planet. Otherwise the Solar wind will blow it away, along with any Martian resources that we used to thicken the atmosphere. So if we create a thick atmosphere on Mars, and it is blown away by the Sun, we won't have any more resources to try again. And don't get me started on the stupidity of using rare and valuable survival water to convert to Rocket Fuel and spew into space, never to be recovered.
You can wash the perchlorates out of the soil same as you can on Earth. They have thought on how to use the wash off too. No problem is unsurmountable.
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You forgot the effects of 1/3 the gravity................We are 500 years away from going to Mars....Robots will long before live there before any Humans will get there.
Introverts wouldn't feel sad because delayed communication. Build a server there that has at least 30% of the internets data. 3D print a building that's 300x300 feet that has grass and trees inside. If it have super high ceilings it would be cool. Nevermind video games. Besides a Mars colony is the same as being in prison. Closed off from the world locked away in a small room with at least 150 people that you can't get away from. Sometimes it could be years to even touch real grass.
There are huge dust storms on Mars that can last months. Building living quarters underground makes more sense. There will be solar panels and above ground structures, but underground makes the most sense.
I’m sorry….but if the solar winds blew the Martian atmosphere into the solar system, what would keep it from doing it again after trillions are spent to terraform Mars? How are you going to create a magnetic field to protect the atmosphere you’re trying to create?
4:41 "Imagine waiting hours even days for a response". Boomers chocking in unison, even Gen-X laughing out loud. This script feels like it was written by AI
Elon Musk may be able to soon get his ships remotely to Mars, but we are know where close with our technology or science, to make this journey doable for a human body. We're decades away from this happening.
Using the martian regolith as building materials for 3D printers would be a problem due to the amount of perchlorate in the martian soil. Perchlorates are toxic to humans. Some sort of barrier would have to be constructed for the inside of a habitat.
I don't think communication will be any problem at all, it will just be like emailing someone. Both sides will just have to make sure they put as much detailed information into their messages as possible in order to reduce the number of times they have to go back and forth to each other.
There was an idea proposed to link two Starships together via a long scaffolding or boom and then each would fire thrusters to get them to rotate around the center point, creating at least some artificial gravity in each Starship. As far as I'm aware this design addition to Starships is still on the table. I think it's a great idea and that they should run with it.
"Let's build a ship to explore galaxy~" "You are kidding right?That's against the first prime directive of capitalism~Until you can harvest gold mine in space so I can become earth lord,never talk to me again~"
Read the book.......the case for mars by Dr Robert zubrin of the mars society. His plan......mars direct.....uses on site resources to make the water.....oxygen....food.....humans need. His plan was written before SpaceX. SpaceX is years ahead of any other rocket maker like Tesla is the best ever. Eslas Optimus robots can easily go ahead of manned missions and set up machines to make the oxygen water and food man needs. Dr zubrin gave an estimate of ten years and ten billion $. The NASA plan for mars is 20-30 years and 400 billion *$. Obviously the NASA plan will never work as it's too complex and costly. Nasas sls........part of the plan is ten years old and has not successfully flown and is over budget 3x..........NASA is a joke.... SpaceX can get us to Mars
You might want to consider The Fermi Paradox. For whatever reason there appears to be a selection filter that stops sufficiently edvanced civilizations from moving out into space before they end. We are probably approaching that filter. It may be AI. It may be the ability to edit genomes. It may be particle physics experiments. Von Nueman robots, Thermonuclear War. Global Pandemics .Asteroid strikes... As Don Russell used to say-the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns. Any way you slice it you double our chances of the survival of consciousness by being multi-planetary.
The big reason is to create redundancy for humanity in case of an extinction level event here on Earth. Resource harvesting would be a secondary reason
@@jaythegreat9211 A case could be made that if we mess up badly enough to render Earth uninhabitable, we failed our test and should make way for something else. Resources of any kind are unlikely to be worth the effort to ship home, so resource extraction is a silly reason.
One reason of many: the technology we'd develop by colonising Mars can help save the world. Everything designed for Mars will be designed for repairablity and recyclability; something we could definately use here at home. But even bigger; a Martian colony will force us to develop mastery over closed-loop systems with a.o. biological factors, which is something we don't (really) have because we don't need it (just torch some rainforest if you need more arable space, right?). If we develop the tech to have controlled food production for Mars you'd have the first keystone to learn how to scale & optimise for cost here on Earth; if every city had an Amazon veggie fulfillment center which produces nigh all food the city needs, human footprint would instantly become a LOT more manageable. And so on, and so on. Colonising Mars would present us with some very clear problems that push us to gain a level of mastery over ALL factors relevant for life to thrive. Factors that we don't even know about because they are already covered here. Maybe we learn something like the optimal way to bind and vitalise loose soil, which taches us that to fight desertification you don't need to plant and water billions of trees, you just need a sprayplane with a mixture of these specific 3 bacteria and 2 fungi or something. We don't know what we'll learn there, but we know we can learn things theere we can't learn over here. And I think the knowledge of how to transplant and sustain life itself is about the most valuable knowledge we as humanity could collect.
Teroforming is not possible right now because the magnetic field of Mars is almost non-existent and the radiation is very high. But there will be colonies.
What is the incentive for people to move to Mars? California and Australia attracted lots of people during gold rushes. Many Europeans settled in North America for religious freedom or to get land to start a farm. What resource is there on Mars? If the purpose of the colony on Mars is science like in Antarctica, then it will never grow bigger than say 100 people and will always be dependent on Earth for spare parts, medicines, etc.
I don't think a colony on Mars will ever happen. There's no payback for a massively insane expense. When we can build self-sustaining habitats, there will be no point to building one way out on Mars.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again. The only way this will work is if you're adding on / printing new habitat modules and rooms every few months. There is no reason why this couldn't be done with in situ resource utilization.
@@uncleeric3317 "put them outside to cool off" has a deeper meaning. For example, the atmospheric pressure on Mars is so low that your blood will boil.
Nuclear sub crews will give a good example of people living in isolation in a non natural environment also man has shown historical its capacity in long term travel eg long sailing ship voyages and antarctic exploration
Astronauts and Submariners are volunteers who are screened heavily before they are allowed to join those endeavors. Elon and Co are pretending that they can take a bunch of ordinary people to Mars. I think you are going to find out exactly how "mental" ordinary people become in confinement. Oh... right, we already found out during CoVid 19.
I think the Tesla robot is going to play a huge role in making Mars habitable for humans, because it shall more easily be able to work in the harsh conditions of Mars, it shall be immune to radiation and doesn't need oxygen to function there.
Heat won’t be lost very fast with 1% atmosphere to draw the heat away. The you need a medium for heat to dissipate to. An atmosphere or body of fluid. The denser the medium, the better to dissipate heat making something cold.
Right?? We have a huge atmosphere on Earth that luckily burns up most debris and asteroids. So imagine an inflatable on a planet with little atmosphere, one little rock traveling at Mach 3 would just destroy those things lmao
These fanciful AI renderings of a Mars Colony amount to delusions of grandeur. They make uneducated people feel like this is a proper allocation of scarce resources. You would be better off building a colony underground earth or under water.
It is an attempt to preserve sentients and consciousness in the event humans destroy themselves on earth or are destroyed. The goal of multiplanetary existence is survival of the human race.
Surely Mars has natural caves we could build habitats in.. I wouldn't be surprised if we send a cave rover to investigate potential cave systems eventually. Imagine all of the supplies that could be taken to Mars instead of walls, floors, and roofs etc.
I'm a big fan of using artificial gravity during the trip to & from Mars. Artificial gravity could also be used part-time on the Martian surface to keep people used to Earth gravity.
Why can't Mars be terraformed? Honestly, the hardest part to accomplish is one of the simplest in conception- raising the atmosphere to a survivable pressure and O2 partial pressure. Realaitically, that means a ⅓ Earth MSL pressure (roughly 5 PSI), with a corresponding increase in the proportion of O2. That solves most of the temperature and radiation issues right there, provided you increase the greenhouse gas levels (particularly in the upper atmosphere). A chilly, but technically shirtsleeve environment is possible. How? Lithobrake enough icy bodies on to the planet, pretty anywhere. Then, you can use solar energy to crack out additional O2 out of the ice (the hydrogen can be vented to atmosphere to rise and dissipate, captured for local rocket fuel use, or even recombined with O2 and carbon to make hydrocarbons for polymer feedstock, alcohols, hydrocarbon fuels that store easier than pure hydrogen, and those aforementioned greenhouse gasses, etc.) The lack of a planetary magnetic field of any significance is not nearly as relevant as often claimed. The thickness of the atmosphere would reduce the radiation levels significantly (dropping the average to equivalent of the natural background radiation of many long inhabited places on Earth), and while, yes, the solar winds did (amd would) eventually blow away the Martian atmosphere, what gets overlooked in popular science media is that this process took *millions* of years to have major effects on Mars... IOW, it is a problem Homo sapiens martis simply won't have to face - either the problem will be long solved or the species long dead well before it matters. (And, crashing an icy body into an uninhabited chunk of Mars every century or so would more than offset any losses.) Conditioning the atmosphere to something usefully breathable would require more delicacy than "throw snowballs at the planet", such as tailored algae and cyanobacteria, but it's do-able. And having Earth *survivable* pressures and temperatures outside, even while it is below freezing and not breathable by humans, is still a major advantage to any colonization efforts - at least the problems of being in a near vacuum (1% of Earth MSL is close enough to vacuum for this discussion). Mars had surface temperatures and pressures sufficient for surface liquid water oceans and a meteorological water cycle for about a billion years.
what could solve the muscle deterioration and strength could be an exoskeleton attached to the EMU/EVA suit for support till they get used to gravity on mars, or the moon.
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That is never gunna happen.
I hope the grandchildren of my grandchildren can see that ❤
US citizens that would be US colony and it’s a US based company starting the colony like The British company that started colonies in North America was the Virginia Company of London. Chartered by King James I in 1606, this company established the first permanent English settlement in North America, like Jamestown, in 1607 was the first settlement of the Virginia Colony, founded in 1607
Waste of resources. Rather develops an actual mega sized space station with extra effort on all the required facets including artificial gravity. Park it in orbit around the moon. Then work on developing industrial technology for the lunar surface. Lastly have a propulsion system on it so it could be " conveniently maneuvered say into the asteroid belt or as a station on way to Mars. Until we can effectively Terraform Mars " start developing a atmosphere " or figure out realistic interstellar propulsion colonizing Mars is dumb. Attain most of the raw materials on the moon and build a base that will not only do the job as a living environment but also be a foundation for researching detrimental effects of long duration space travel
@@WNYXeb777 This. Luna is four days away. Mars takes at least six months to reach. Both have comparable characteristics: low or no atmospheric pressure, low gravity, no magnetosphere, little water, low temperatures, possibly some minable minerals. The moon has the additional advantage of being much closer to the sun so better solar, and thermal energy powered by high temperatures on the daylight side.
"Imagine sending a message to a friend, then waiting hours, sometimes days for a response." Don't have to imagine, that was life before the internet.
Fax
niqqa i didn't have a life before the internet
@@RSCB Snail Mail
That was normal life in the 1980s lol
Voice-mail
“Communications would be difficult… imagine sending a message to a friend and having to wait hours, sometimes days, for a response.”
Sounds about normal anyways. Everyone always pretends like they’re busy to respond quickly, anyways.
worst time lag is 48 minutes +the time to digest your message and compose the return message. Any delays on top of that are due to the human factors which, like you rightly state, are absolutely normal.
As a matter of fact, the Martians probably have a LOWER effective delay due to the 'Oh it's Mars'-effect that'll probably be in place for at least the first few months.
It's no different than sending emails. Humans used to live like this for hundreds of years. So long as there are other humans with you on Mars (there will be, it's a city), you'll be okay
@@waspsandwich6548 Back in the sixties/seventies, long-distance phone calls were costly, so we hand-wrote cards and letters… we even sent “old fashioned” telegrams to remote areas.
My art friends and I would draw on cards & letters… that was fun!
Email was actually harder than handwriting until every interface had spell-check.
(I’ve never really mastered typing TBH)
so true...everyone plays that stupid game of being " over busy" and " too important" and still carry their phone in their hands no matter of what they do.
A Mars colony would be mostly underground to save energy and protect the inhabitants.
On average, the temperature on Mars is about minus 80 degrees F (minus 60 degrees Celsius), the ground will be that temperature. I think building underground would make a great radiation shelter, but the ground temperature will be -80 degrees. The atmosphere is very thin however, I think heat will be conducted away faster by the ground than the thin Martian atmosphere. The atmosphere is an laboratory vacuum after all, in makes a good insulator, if doesn't warm you or cool you very much, the sun will warm you, but that is radiation.
Unlikely that anyone on this board will live to see Mars colonization
Digging is hard.
@@thomaskalbfus2005The lava tubes might be at stable temperatures. We can build in those.
@@jimeditorialWe’ll see the beginning of it.
The casual mention of senicide really caught me by surprise.
I'd advise against the practice. It's a very dark rabbit hole to go down.
When playing Surviving Mars I might have build a 'retirement dome' where colonists can spend their non-productive last days, complete with their own service levels and independent life support that definitely works all the time.
@@SebastianWellsTL Remember when Obamacare set up "death panels" to decide who lives and dies, and Trumpcare came along and eliminated them by replacing Obamacare with a thoughtful, reasoned approach to universal healthcare that respected everyone's life?
Me neither.
Yeah I find it odd he didn’t talk about the possibility of return to earth at all, considering it will definitely be a thing
Murder is always wrong and gravely immoral. There is an objective truth. His name is God. Respect all human life from womb to natural death.
after watching this video I realized that life on Mars will be horrendous
More like impossible without resupply which defeats the purpose of building second basket for all of Earth’s “eggs.”
@@oregonsbragiaWe can use the resources already on Mars. ISRU is a thing.
So, before watching this particular video, you thought it was going to be easy peasy?
This video is not all knowing. Only best guess
Yeah through generation is still nit easy
There will be a lot more humanoid robots than this video implies. They will get there first, do the site prep, establish life-support and so on.
Hundred percent agree
_"...settlers will not have all of Earth's luxuries."_ Now THAT is an understatement! They'll be on a planet is always trying to kill them. The harshest place on Earth is a paradise in comparison to any random spot on Mars.
Earth is a paradise in comparison, but it *will* spew out burning rock, shake the whole world demolishing buildings and create humongous wind vacuum cleaners above the ocean, which sometimes feels like expanding a bit more towards the shore in a... melodramatic way
But earth itself is not going to survive. You wanna try nothing?
In other words, "surviving mars" and "The Expanse" will happen for real, but probably without the alien elements. I don't mind, I love that game and that show. I wish I could live long enough to see it though.
Exactly what I was thinking. In the last minute or so of the video where he discusses the longer term possibilities that is pretty much Mars as portrayed in The Expanse.
We’ll live to see the beginning of it.
Short answer -- it will suck.
time to move out of earth
Not moving from Earth also is going to suck.
Mars sounds great, as long as there's Wi-Fi! 🚀
Great idea 😂
I think life on mars will be more like living underground. The surface is too inhospitable with the temperature, weather, and solar radiation.
Radiation can easily be solved with magnets in orbit
@@jacobprittie2010But until we build that space infrastructure, lava tubes are the way to go.
Imagine venus
Another thing the optimists are neglecting face is that isolation makes people mental. The CoVid lockdowns and the aftermath should be a cautionary tale.
Here in Texas, which didn't even have as extreme lockdowns as other places, people starting driving at suicidal speeds and they have yet to slow down. All over America, the rates of crime spiked directly after the lockdowns. Some of it has returned to normal, but when people are cooped up with other people, it definitely causes friction. And many people become "mental". And in such confined spaces any kind of pandemic might spread very quickly.
Here in Montana things are pretty much the same as they were pre Covid. Maybe we are just used to being coupled up for a while cause of winter. Either way Mars and a lack of the crazies on earth sounds very appealing to me. I hate cities and large groups so sign me up!
But there won't be isolation, you'll be under the same roof with everyone else
honestly, I wish I'd had the luxury to take full advantage of the "pandemic" and isolate as much as everyone else thought they were.
There are so many people linging to face those hurdles
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I don't think People are going to be dying on mars naturally because it is going to be beneficial to just bring people in early 60s or late 50s back to earth, if we send people in their late 20s to early 30s to mars they can comfortably work their for more than 20-30 years and comeback.
Perhaps we will have to build a large Space Station approximately 1 km in diameter. It will have to spin to create artificial gravity. It will have to likely have an inner section that does not spin that could serve as a docking area for space ships and shipping and receiving. It would have to have a middle section that can spin or stop spinning for the purpose of transferring people and goods to the permanent spinning section (or the section that is the most permanently spinning). It is likely that the outer almost permanently spinning section would normally have to have days of advanced notice before the spin could slow down or stop. The outer section would have to have locking clamps to secure any objects or food that is normally not secured during times of no artificial gravity. The outer section would be the living habitat and would need total or acceptable protection from radiation. The inner non-spinning section would likely house the engines for propulsion of the entire space station, and perhaps power for propulsion of the spin and breaking of the middle and outer sections (likely ring like perhaps the power from the center section could be transferred to the outer sections similar to the way electric street cars have a pole mounted on the street car that goes up to a wire, or perhaps like an electric train gets power from the tracks. There would likely have to be 2 or 3 nuclear power generators housed in the inner section and perhaps they would have the capability to be ejected from the station if one became unstable. This space station could then be sent to orbit Mars or any other moon or planet that would benefit from the station orbiting that body. This way, scientists, miners, builders, farmers, etc. could take necessary breaks from working on bodies that are dangerous to stay on for certain amounts of time.
Maybe that could work at the Earth Moon Lagrange Points or in the Asteroid Belt.
The space wheel in 2001: A Space Odyssey had the port in the center that also spun and the ships had to spin at the same rate in order to dock with the station. Since it was spinning slowly it was still virtually zero G in the center.
So an elevator would suffice to move cargo from the hub to the outer rim. But, there's no free lunch in physics. The bigger the mass of the object the more thrust is required to move it. Space station transit thru deep space you say?
@@peterreimer2540 If the station was as supportive of human life as I imagined, the station could be moved to those orbits much slower. I'm not sure if that helps.
@@BnORailFan Similar to my idea. I am sure my idea has been thought of by many many people already.
Is it really progress if humans go back to living in caves (on Mars)
Yes😊
You have to start somewhere.
Like any opportunity, it's not all butterflies and rainbows. Caves will only be the beginning!
I'm struggling to see how this couldn't be seen as progress?? You're on Mars!
@@waspsandwich6548you’ll be dead.
As exciting as it is to see SpaceX build its starship to get humans to mars I am becoming increasingly concerned for what will happen when people get there. As this video points out there are many known and unknown problems to be faced ranging from the harsh environment to just natural human flaws creating conflict. I am genuinely concerned over the technology for building mars habitats in situ, parts have been demonstrated but I am unsure of how mature this technology is. The tesla Optimums robot today is barley able to manipulate a brick let alone build a wall unsupervised and yet it seems the expectation is that it will be ready to ship to mars in two years to build up the 'manned base'. Yeah Elon makes big claims but Elon time is seldom reflected in reality. Still exciting to see what the future will hold.
Given how he treats his workers I wouldn't want any part of the off-world dystopia he'd probably try to build
If it happens, what will happen is quite obvious:
1) no matter the preparation, the preparation will prove to be inadequate. There are just too many unknowns to avoid that.
2) some shit will go horribly wrong, some people will die bad deaths. There will be public outrage. All remaining and future settlers will say 'yeah we know that shit could happen, and we know it could happen to us. We accept that. Now get out of the way and let us continue our job.' Just like the Apollo astronauts did after that test went horribly wrong.
3) is in doubt. Let's hope they manage some grand successes before that shit hits the fan, to provide some counterweight to the unavoidable public calls for cancellation, or something.
I worry about the perchlorate in the Martian soil. And even without the perchlorate, Mars soil has no biome that we take for granted on Earth for agriculture.
The Jamestown Colony in Virginia had a 90+ % fatality rate for the first few decades. I fear that the beginning of a Mars colony may be similar. When you consider the precarious nature of survival on Mars, it dwarfs anywhere on Earth, even Antarctica. Antarctica or the top of Everest are a dream of habitability compared to Mars. On Mars, you will always be one malfunction away from death.
The radiation problem is extreme as well. The colonists will be pummeled by hard radiation as soon as they leave the environs of Earth within the magnetosphere, and when galactic cosmic rays strike Stainless steel, they create cascades of secondary particle radiation.
SpaceX will not have the resources to solve all these problems alone. I think there are going to need to be decades of development of support equipment by NASA and MANY other countries and corporations in order to make a Mars colony possible. I am glad we are going to the Moon first. It has the same radiation problem and is equally difficult to survive on. And if we want a terraformed atmosphere on Mars to persist, we MUST create an artificial magnetic shield for the planet. Otherwise the Solar wind will blow it away, along with any Martian resources that we used to thicken the atmosphere. So if we create a thick atmosphere on Mars, and it is blown away by the Sun, we won't have any more resources to try again.
And don't get me started on the stupidity of using rare and valuable survival water to convert to Rocket Fuel and spew into space, never to be recovered.
No bacteria, no soil. Most people have zero understanding of what it actually takes to grow a plant.
You can wash the perchlorates out of the soil same as you can on Earth. They have thought on how to use the wash off too. No problem is unsurmountable.
@@stevepirie8130 typical arrogance of a fool who thinks that any thing is possible if you just want it bad enough.
Ice-Home? Bro that's just an igloo on Mars! 🤣
lol, I've always thought the Inuit would make the best Mars colonists!!
They better mix that ice with some of the silt blowing around to give it strength, will likely melt if used for greenhouses.
In my mind… the future is going to be more like the series The Expanse… I am not sure we will evolve above “us and them” within the next few centuries
As of now, there have been 21 attempted Mars landings
• Out of these, 10 have
been successful
• This gives a success
ratio of approximately 48%.
Good Luck soft, easily breakable Humans! 👽🛸
Those are some good sponsors ❤
Watching this makes one ting clear: protecting our EARTH is simply crucial...
Great video and thanks for changing the intro, it's way more grown up 🙌🏻
You forgot the effects of 1/3 the gravity................We are 500 years away from going to Mars....Robots will long before live there before any Humans will get there.
People 50 years been watching to many’s space movies and tv show … Elon realized that and hit the gold goose .
Long story short... No person is going to Mars anytime soon.
The colonist that settle Mars ,must use everything,discard nothing
But consumer society relies on throwing everything away as soon as possible. Otherwise our companies are going out of business. 😉
Someone's been watching The Expanse. 😁
Not because that's where you got the ideas, but simply cause I know you have. 😉
The AI for companions because of delayed communication times is kind of a stretch.
It would be much easier all around to simply build habitats orbiting Mars than trying to colonise the planet itself. Just use it for resources.
This is madness!
still waiting for someone to figure out how to remove the toxic volatiles in the regolith, otherwise the concrete will be poisonous
And forget about growing potatoes, or anything else, on Mars, no matter how much poop one applies.
I believe perchlorate is highly soluble in water and there is also bacteria that could get rid of it.
There’s no way you can just live in 1/3 gravity
Introverts wouldn't feel sad because delayed communication. Build a server there that has at least 30% of the internets data. 3D print a building that's 300x300 feet that has grass and trees inside. If it have super high ceilings it would be cool. Nevermind video games. Besides a Mars colony is the same as being in prison. Closed off from the world locked away in a small room with at least 150 people that you can't get away from. Sometimes it could be years to even touch real grass.
And Prison is a really great example of humanity at its best, right?
There are huge dust storms on Mars that can last months. Building living quarters underground makes more sense. There will be solar panels and above ground structures, but underground makes the most sense.
I’m sorry….but if the solar winds blew the Martian atmosphere into the solar system, what would keep it from doing it again after trillions are spent to terraform Mars? How are you going to create a magnetic field to protect the atmosphere you’re trying to create?
4:41 "Imagine waiting hours even days for a response". Boomers chocking in unison, even Gen-X laughing out loud. This script feels like it was written by AI
Elon Musk may be able to soon get his ships remotely to Mars, but we are know where close with our technology or science, to make this journey doable for a human body. We're decades away from this happening.
Okay fine, I'll watch The Expanse again
Can tell you all watched The Expanse. Such an awesome show!
Using the martian regolith as building materials for 3D printers would be a problem due to the amount of perchlorate in the martian soil. Perchlorates are toxic to humans. Some sort of barrier would have to be constructed for the inside of a habitat.
I don't think communication will be any problem at all, it will just be like emailing someone. Both sides will just have to make sure they put as much detailed information into their messages as possible in order to reduce the number of times they have to go back and forth to each other.
There was an idea proposed to link two Starships together via a long scaffolding or boom and then each would fire thrusters to get them to rotate around the center point, creating at least some artificial gravity in each Starship. As far as I'm aware this design addition to Starships is still on the table. I think it's a great idea and that they should run with it.
"Let's build a ship to explore galaxy~"
"You are kidding right?That's against the first prime directive of capitalism~Until you can harvest gold mine in space so I can become earth lord,never talk to me again~"
Two hundred years from now these videos will be watched for laughs
excellent, thought provoking and entertaining. Enjoyed it.
I give it 200 years before we got multiple cities on Mars.
Read the book.......the case for mars by Dr Robert zubrin of the mars society. His plan......mars direct.....uses on site resources to make the water.....oxygen....food.....humans need. His plan was written before SpaceX. SpaceX is years ahead of any other rocket maker like Tesla is the best ever. Eslas Optimus robots can easily go ahead of manned missions and set up machines to make the oxygen water and food man needs. Dr zubrin gave an estimate of ten years and ten billion $. The NASA plan for mars is 20-30 years and 400 billion *$. Obviously the NASA plan will never work as it's too complex and costly. Nasas sls........part of the plan is ten years old and has not successfully flown and is over budget 3x..........NASA is a joke.... SpaceX can get us to Mars
I find this all incredibly exciting.
Continue the great work! It’s amazing!
FYI with AI we don't have to send people to mars we send robots and automated machine's to do our bidding, communication via laser technology ect.....
Oh to be able to jump forward 200 years and see if there are cities on Mars.
Gotta fix the space trash problem before we get ourselves stuck... then we can look at moving to other planets
Maybe a future video can include a bit more why we would want to colonize Mars. I think the reasons are are still quite weak.
You might want to consider The Fermi Paradox. For whatever reason there appears to be a selection filter that stops sufficiently edvanced civilizations from moving out into space before they end. We are probably approaching that filter. It may be AI. It may be the ability to edit genomes. It may be particle physics experiments. Von Nueman robots, Thermonuclear War. Global Pandemics .Asteroid strikes... As Don Russell used to say-the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns. Any way you slice it you double our chances of the survival of consciousness by being multi-planetary.
Hot Barsoomian chicks
The big reason is to create redundancy for humanity in case of an extinction level event here on Earth. Resource harvesting would be a secondary reason
@@jaythegreat9211 A case could be made that if we mess up badly enough to render Earth uninhabitable, we failed our test and should make way for something else.
Resources of any kind are unlikely to be worth the effort to ship home, so resource extraction is a silly reason.
One reason of many: the technology we'd develop by colonising Mars can help save the world.
Everything designed for Mars will be designed for repairablity and recyclability; something we could definately use here at home. But even bigger; a Martian colony will force us to develop mastery over closed-loop systems with a.o. biological factors, which is something we don't (really) have because we don't need it (just torch some rainforest if you need more arable space, right?). If we develop the tech to have controlled food production for Mars you'd have the first keystone to learn how to scale & optimise for cost here on Earth; if every city had an Amazon veggie fulfillment center which produces nigh all food the city needs, human footprint would instantly become a LOT more manageable. And so on, and so on.
Colonising Mars would present us with some very clear problems that push us to gain a level of mastery over ALL factors relevant for life to thrive. Factors that we don't even know about because they are already covered here. Maybe we learn something like the optimal way to bind and vitalise loose soil, which taches us that to fight desertification you don't need to plant and water billions of trees, you just need a sprayplane with a mixture of these specific 3 bacteria and 2 fungi or something. We don't know what we'll learn there, but we know we can learn things theere we can't learn over here. And I think the knowledge of how to transplant and sustain life itself is about the most valuable knowledge we as humanity could collect.
Sounds like a BAD IDEA
Idiotic.
Teroforming is not possible right now because the magnetic field of Mars is almost non-existent and the radiation is very high. But there will be colonies.
Why an emergency signal? 9 months not a very good rescue time!
What is the incentive for people to move to Mars? California and Australia attracted lots of people during gold rushes. Many Europeans settled in North America for religious freedom or to get land to start a farm. What resource is there on Mars? If the purpose of the colony on Mars is science like in Antarctica, then it will never grow bigger than say 100 people and will always be dependent on Earth for spare parts, medicines, etc.
Will there be any potatoes 🥔 there 🤔
Of course 😂
Potatoes *_and_* duct tape. Without them, space travel is pointless
Remember that the owner of the habitat makes the laws. Do you really want this? I'm not going under the current situation.
Elon likely didn't build The Boring Company just to reduce traffic jams. Small unit could build tunnels on Mars, couldn't it?
Cool idea to get to mars before we blow each other up on earth, we will be the Victor's so we can come back to earth and do it all over again, yayyyyy
Just think, the first person to step foot on Mars could be alive right now
I don't think a colony on Mars will ever happen. There's no payback for a massively insane expense.
When we can build self-sustaining habitats, there will be no point to building one way out on Mars.
Except it has resources on hand like water and minerals.
@@andrewsarchus6036what does mars have that earth doesnt
@@graysonbaker9053 The comment was with reference to the OP's proposal for self-sustaining [space] habitats.
@@andrewsarchus6036 im asking you bro bro
@@graysonbaker9053 You're apparently too dumb to converse with. Goodbye.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again.
The only way this will work is if you're adding on / printing new habitat modules and rooms every few months. There is no reason why this couldn't be done with in situ resource utilization.
If humans work together with a desire to make a Mars civilization a reality it is 100% achievable.
What do you do with a colonist who commits an assault on another colonist? People will start losing their minds.
Just like we do in kindergarten: put them outside to cool off. After that, I'm sure they'll never do it again.
@ Yeah, by assault I meant grown up assault, you know, r*pe and m*rder? What do you do when that happens?
@@uncleeric3317 "put them outside to cool off" has a deeper meaning. For example, the atmospheric pressure on Mars is so low that your blood will boil.
@ Yup got it. Lol
The truth is humans will not colonize mars in the lifetime of anyone who ever sees this.
I would go in a heartbeat without thinking about it...
Yep... sounds exactly like "The Expanse" which I totally believe is not only possible but likely. 😉👍❣
We could also paraterraform Mars. We could dome over parts of the surface and make those sections Earthlike.
Nuclear sub crews will give a good example of people living in isolation in a non natural environment also man has shown historical its capacity in long term travel eg long sailing ship voyages and antarctic exploration
Astronauts and Submariners are volunteers who are screened heavily before they are allowed to join those endeavors. Elon and Co are pretending that they can take a bunch of ordinary people to Mars. I think you are going to find out exactly how "mental" ordinary people become in confinement. Oh... right, we already found out during CoVid 19.
I think the Tesla robot is going to play a huge role in making Mars habitable for humans, because it shall more easily be able to work in the harsh conditions of Mars, it shall be immune to radiation and doesn't need oxygen to function there.
@5:04 My mans with that 1000-yard stare. What's on your mind King?
Think of all the fun you can have there - for the rest of your short remaining years.
Ah yes the Martian "suicide booths" for the oldsters option, or perhaps a Martian version of "Carousel" when the crystal in their palm turns red.
On mars, they can’t hear you scream.
Awesome video!
Heat won’t be lost very fast with 1% atmosphere to draw the heat away. The you need a medium for heat to dissipate to. An atmosphere or body of fluid. The denser the medium, the better to dissipate heat making something cold.
the same problem that exist on earth will exist on mars
Inflatable Seems like a no brainer..
Right?? We have a huge atmosphere on Earth that luckily burns up most debris and asteroids. So imagine an inflatable on a planet with little atmosphere, one little rock traveling at Mach 3 would just destroy those things lmao
WE DON'T NEED TO WASTE MONEY ON PUTTING HUMANS ON MARS! AI WILL DO FAR MORE, FOR A FRACTION OF THE COSTS!!!
I believe we should have orbiting farmlands even at mars. It’s a 100percent controlled environment we could send the farms to orbit from earth
Everything I know about eyeballs in space, I learned from Matt Lowne.
just send a bunch of submariners. We are used to the isolation
Nothing like the thumbnail 😂
These fanciful AI renderings of a Mars Colony amount to delusions of grandeur. They make uneducated people feel like this is a proper allocation of scarce resources. You would be better off building a colony underground earth or under water.
If it is multiethnic then it will collapse. That is an iron law of anthropology.
Island of Dr. Moreau
That’s my prediction for Martian healthcare for humans
It’ll definitely be a one way ticket.
awesome! so when do we all get your giant magnetic helmets?
Imagine waiting hours, sometimes days, while having conversations or emails….
As I see over 6,000 emails in my inboxes.
Whats the point Of all of this effort ?
It is an attempt to preserve sentients and consciousness in the event humans destroy themselves on earth or are destroyed. The goal of multiplanetary existence is survival of the human race.
Survival of the species in case human life on earth or Mars goes extinct due to war, pestilence, or cataclysm.
Doing something really exciting, pushing the boundaries.
I can't wait to go to Mars and be a space prole.
The new adapted Martians will be beautiful, lean, tall with larger eyes... probably on the end of stalks!👀
Please, can we stop talking about terraforming.
Earth must be " Terraformed first,once that is complete climate change ends
Surely Mars has natural caves we could build habitats in.. I wouldn't be surprised if we send a cave rover to investigate potential cave systems eventually. Imagine all of the supplies that could be taken to Mars instead of walls, floors, and roofs etc.
I'm a big fan of using artificial gravity during the trip to & from Mars.
Artificial gravity could also be used part-time on the Martian surface to keep people used to Earth gravity.
Mars cannot be terraformed. Also, this video appears to be just a regurgitation of the same stuff from other sources over the past 5+ years.
Why can't Mars be terraformed? Honestly, the hardest part to accomplish is one of the simplest in conception- raising the atmosphere to a survivable pressure and O2 partial pressure.
Realaitically, that means a ⅓ Earth MSL pressure (roughly 5 PSI), with a corresponding increase in the proportion of O2. That solves most of the temperature and radiation issues right there, provided you increase the greenhouse gas levels (particularly in the upper atmosphere). A chilly, but technically shirtsleeve environment is possible.
How? Lithobrake enough icy bodies on to the planet, pretty anywhere. Then, you can use solar energy to crack out additional O2 out of the ice (the hydrogen can be vented to atmosphere to rise and dissipate, captured for local rocket fuel use, or even recombined with O2 and carbon to make hydrocarbons for polymer feedstock, alcohols, hydrocarbon fuels that store easier than pure hydrogen, and those aforementioned greenhouse gasses, etc.)
The lack of a planetary magnetic field of any significance is not nearly as relevant as often claimed. The thickness of the atmosphere would reduce the radiation levels significantly (dropping the average to equivalent of the natural background radiation of many long inhabited places on Earth), and while, yes, the solar winds did (amd would) eventually blow away the Martian atmosphere, what gets overlooked in popular science media is that this process took *millions* of years to have major effects on Mars... IOW, it is a problem Homo sapiens martis simply won't have to face - either the problem will be long solved or the species long dead well before it matters. (And, crashing an icy body into an uninhabited chunk of Mars every century or so would more than offset any losses.)
Conditioning the atmosphere to something usefully breathable would require more delicacy than "throw snowballs at the planet", such as tailored algae and cyanobacteria, but it's do-able. And having Earth *survivable* pressures and temperatures outside, even while it is below freezing and not breathable by humans, is still a major advantage to any colonization efforts - at least the problems of being in a near vacuum (1% of Earth MSL is close enough to vacuum for this discussion).
Mars had surface temperatures and pressures sufficient for surface liquid water oceans and a meteorological water cycle for about a billion years.
@@geodkyt I find that very interesting, thank you. Do you have any book recommendations about it?
what could solve the muscle deterioration and strength could be an exoskeleton attached to the EMU/EVA suit for support till they get used to gravity on mars, or the moon.
The biggest problem with all of this is actually safely landing on mars. This is has not been solved yet.
If i could go to space id love to forget about planets , period