You think Ukraine is going to be much of anything after losing its best land, millions of people, and having its economy (what there was of it) holed out is a laugh. The next laugh is that 30 KAAN could ever come soon enough to 1 up Russia. When the war ends, who is going to pay for Ukraine's military and reconstruction? Cause they won't. You think the US pay the TRILLIONS needed? There's an orange fellow that might have an issue with that idea.
Math doesn’t change ! Wind tunnels /fluid dynamics is the same DOESNT matter where you from. at some point everyone is going to end up at the most optimal design that is going to be very similar. Just like in formula 1 all the cars look similar except for small details.
It is about reflection of electromagnetic waves. Low radar cross section needs special geometry. Smallest radar cross section is the lambda design known as flying wing geometry without vertical stabilizers. But lambda design is has very low maneuverability. So for stealth fighter jets second most efficient geometry is used called cropped diamond geometry. f-35, f-22, su-57, j-20 and Kaan they all have cropped diamond design. With bended vertival slabilizers. So they are looking alike...
so the gen 6th should look exactly like the gen 5? yeah we haven't reached the full potential of the airplane yet...so if it looks like an f35 or an f22, they are just copying the usa still...I dont think we will see the full potential of what you said till gen 9 or gen 10 but what u said will one day come true
Turkey's self reliance approach is a wise long term decision. The information and experience they will gain will maintain their political independence and a new export industry.
Its no good if you can't launch enough satelites to utilise the planes systems fully. Only the big three can project that type of domination. I had to laugh at India purchasing American global hawks recently knowing that the US only has to turn of their GPS to disable them in an emergency.
Turkey has not demonstrated the kind of high tech industry needed to make this work and we've seen other countries with more resources fail spectacularly already. Then again if their clients are facing Russian/Chinese or worse weapon systems. Barely functional stealth might still help
Turkey already showcased that they are very capable at producing cost/efficient systems like the Bayraktar drone. This aligns with their economic foreign policy.
I’d like to share some insights. While it’s officially announced as a 5th-generation fighter, the initial version of Turkey’s Kaan jet will likely align more closely with 4th or 4.5-generation capabilities. As you know, one of the defining features of a 4.5-generation fighter is the inclusion of an AESA radar, which Turkey has already developed under the "MURAD" project. Achieving true 5th-generation status requires an engine capable of supercruise, a technology we have yet to produce or even begin development on. However, Turkey’s engine development program is progressing rapidly, with plans to introduce 4.5-generation engines featuring afterburners and sufficient thrust capacity by the early 2030s. I believe that by the mid-2030s, we could reach 5th-generation engine capabilities. When it comes to 6th-generation technologies, Turkey is well-positioned thanks to its advancements in drone technology. The country is already running a test program for fighter-jet-controlled drones, using platforms like the Turkish light combat jet "Hürjet" and the stealth drone bomber "Anka-3." The Kaan jet is also being designed with future 6th-generation requirements in mind, ensuring readiness for upcoming technological leaps. In my view, with the ambitious "Kızılelma" program by Baykar (the creators of the TB2 drone) focusing on a fighter jet drone powered by advanced AI, we may see a shift in focus toward Kızılelma by the 2030s. This could potentially take precedence over the Kaan project as drone and AI technologies continue to evolve. When it comes to missiles, Turkey is in a fortunate position, as we have already developed and are producing a wide range of options. While the Kaan jet won't be able to compete with the F-35 on day one, it’s important to note that the F-35 comes with significant limitations-it’s extremely expensive and operates under strict restrictions imposed by the United States. More importantly, if Turkey succeeds in developing its own jet engines, it will unlock enormous potential for exporting the Kaan. Just as drones revolutionized the Turkish defense industry, the Kaan jet has the potential to be a game-changer and a powerful addition to our capabilities.
It's an ambitious project which I've been following for some years, during which I've learnt about the capabilities of Turkish defense industry firms (5 of which are in the top 100), which is on par with the best of them on most fronts; I approached it on defense forums with much skepticism at first as I didn't know about Turkey's capabilities but I soon learnt that this is a serious project. We'll wait and see what comes of it but so far it's been promising. Even as a 4.5 fighter it'd be a great achievement as this is their first attempt.
Even though this was our first attempt to build a modern fighter jet, it wasn't our first attempt to build our aviation industry. What we had after first world war was destroyed under the guise of Marshall plans and Truman doctrines. Turkish aviation industry did build several planes and even exported some trainers back then. But the US decided our role in the middle east was a farming country and actually pressured government to shut down its airplane industry and even gifted us some airplanes they were decommissioning. Only after Lyndon B. Johnsons infamous letter (in 1964) to prime minister İsmet İnönü Türkiye realized that nothing is free and start rebuilding a defence industry after the US embargos in 1974.
Turkish 5th Gen fighter jet Spec: - 360 degree Gan (Gallium Nitride) Active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar - Infrared search and track (IRST) - 360 degree Electronic warfare suite (EW) - Electro Optical targeting system (EOTS) - Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM) - Manned-Unmanned Teaming (MUM-T) - TULGAR Helmet Mounted Display (HMD) 1.8 mach cruise speed 2.5 mach max speed Internet weapon bay 55.000 feet operational altitude BVR Air2Air missiles WVR Air2air missiles Cruise missiles Anti-Ship missiles Air launched ballistic missiles Precision guided rockets Anti-radiation missile Kamikaze (Loitering) drones TULGAR Helmet Mounted Display (HMD) Color screen and digital night vision technologies will be used for the first time in the system, which was developed as binocular (two optical channels) and viewfinder reflective. In this way, color-specific groupings (friend, foe, etc.) can be made in the symbology information. A hybrid (optical-inertial) system is designed as a head tracking system. The inner helmet will be specially produced for the pilot in terms of both comfort of use and proper viewing. For this, the head structure of the pilot will be scanned and the inner helmet will be processed according to the data generated after the scan. The visor will also be personalized according to the pilot in terms of oxygen mask and face form compatibility. Headphones will have active noise suppression (ANR-Active Noise Reduction) technology, and the pilot's awareness will be increased by transferring the 3D sound from the aircraft's internal speech system in stereo. The image obtained by using high-precision line of sight information from the 360-degree image created by the electro-optical systems on the aircraft will be projected onto the viewfinder and will provide a sense of use as if the aircraft does not have a fuselage. ASELSAN's 3D Audio Technology is based on HRTF (Human Related Transfer Function). 3D Audio is created spatially based on the location information of the warning and the head movements of the pilot. So the sound is transmitted as if it is coming from above, below, right or left. Thanks to 3D Audio technology, the pilot's environmental awareness increases, response time and workload decrease. Radio separation is created using 3D Audio. Communication channels are transmitted to the pilot from different angles so that the pilot can easily distinguish between channels. 3D Audio Features • Real-Time Operation • Radio Separation • Directional Warning • Global Positioning • Reduced Response Time • Reduced Workload • Increased Environmental Awareness Program timeline: Until 2028 a total of 29 aircraft’s will be produced. With GE F110 engines 9 aircraft’s as an prototype (block-0) and 20 aircraft’s (block-1) to be delivered to the airforce. Also in 2028 a Turkish domestically designed and produced turbofan engine capable of producing 135.000 pound trust (175 Kn) will be integrated in the aircraft and start test flight with the domestic engine In 2030 the aircraft’s (block-20) plans to go in to mass production with the domestic engine. Production rate will be 24/year and can be increased if needed
The success of the Tai TF X program or best known as Kaan fighter jet as the first 5th Gen prototype has been produced by a nation that is not The US, China and Russia hasn't come from mere void or luck, the aerospace industry of Turkey has been capable of doing various projects and collaborations. Turkey produce and assemble and do maintaince of the F16 and black hawk, and they were a partner in producing parts for the F35 sleath fighter program. TAI is Lockheed Martin strategic partner while TEI the engine manufacturer procudes engines for General Electric they also collaborated on the European A400 atlas strategic airlifter thus the nation have the infrastructure and knowhow of producing aircrafts or Nato-standard equipments related to aviation in general not only that they are on par with China and The US in terms of highly sophisticated UAV and UCAV in both public and private sector like the TB2, TB3, Akinci, Kizilelma jet powered, the Anka S, the Aksungur and Anka 3 not even the whole European union comes close in terms of drones manufacturing. The kaan is going to be reality but producing it will require huge efforts, financial support and commitment, more expertise especially in the engine sector which is still the weak link and more important the time that such projects take a decade from the prototype to full manufacturing capabilities and that's not a handicap but a process that all nations who seeks or already have those 5th Gen platforms went through at the end it's a feat because a nation outside of the superpowers did it
if have to correct u: Turkey needed an Air defense system like the Patriot, but the very so called close ALLY USA didnt sell it Turkey, so Turkey went to S400 System. Also unreliable allys like USA and EU, with its Ambargos, speeded up the national ambitions for independent Military Systems like the KAAN and also others
We should note that for a successful program all boil down to 1 - contracts, the RnD cost can break the camel's back 2 - collaborations, you have to share the Weight of RnD in order to be ready in time to make any sense 3 - Industrial capacity 4 - cost per unit
If our politicians here in Brazil were smart, or patriotic, of which they are neither, they would purchase 36+12 more Gripen E/Fs and then make an order of 32 KAAN to have a Hi-Lo mix of Stealth/45th gen Multirole fighters to ensure that our air defense/superiority needs would be fulfilled up until the early 2050s.
A former very high ranked Commander said in a News Show: They´´re already working on a Vertical Take Off Version ". He also said, the domestic engine with 39.000 libre power ( 2x 39k = 78.000 libre power ) is almost ready for testings. I am optimistic that this plane will become a real 5th gen fighter, not like the Russian one which has still significant radar cross section. The Russians also have problems with the special radar observable paint.
Video suggestion: Arms sales around the world, who buys what from whom, when there are conflicts like what happened with Turkey and the f-35, what happens if you go to war with someone you armed
Well the big thing with the F35 is is NEEDS a sever on the ground that's controled by the US for several of the functions. Pretty much all of the advanced features that makes the F35 awesome. Without that, they still should be able to fly it. Target things with the built in radar and shoot with the gun. So pretty much fly it like an f16. (As far as I understand everything) But that defeats the point of the F35. Its got SO MUCH TECHNOLOGY in it. Essentially it can target something and an aircraft with a less advanced targeting, and no stealth capabilities can use the information from the F35 to shoot at the target from REALLY far away while the F35 hides in enemy airspace. I think ONE country did something different than the rest as far as those capabilities. But I would love to see how others countrys and contractors went about that because I think the US was pretty smart with what they did. But I think (and hope they did ) at least put a "back door" in the F35 to essentially "lock out" whomever they deem shouldn't have access to that aircraft. And with how advanced these aircraft are they could probably take off fly and land by themselves to get away from who the US deems unfit
@@joewaun894 Well, this is true, however most countries just build a less capable export version and never give more than needed technology and always try to keep the maintenance of such strategic assets in house. For example, F35 has a special coating in order to help it's stealth capabilities. You cannot take a sample from the scraped paint after the repainting is done. all the removed paint and dust sent back to the US in special containers.
Korea's Boramae isn't meant to be a 5th gen fighter. It was built to be a export worthy 4.5 gen multirole fighter. They are working on a full 5th gen model down the road but the KF-21 is a 4th gen plane with some stealth capabilities.
Ultramarines Simon, Space marines are the entire faction. You know there is not much more food for the soul than revisiting 40k as an adult. You have the funds to get the models you want, and the patience to learn to paint them to a high standard. And you will be surprised how many friends see them on your shelf and admit they are interested in jumping in too. Pure joy.
@@saracenrue3643ultramarines have blue armour with yellow trimmed shoulder pads. Spacewolves are a grey-blue but more grey, with shoulder pads being red or yellow or both depending on the company. He could also mean the thousand sons from chaos too but most likely its the ultramarines
@@caseyaldrich6864 I was thinking the Ultramarines have blue armour with gold trim, and they do, but I remember now that is for 2nd Company. Other companies have different trim colours iirc. And yes you're right about the Space Wolves, fair play
There is an idiom in Turkish "A Bad neighbor make you a house owner". Turkey just wanted to buy patriot because of the conflict in Syria. But the US administration strongly refused it. So they bought S400 because they have no choice to protect themself after "Italians took back their missile system from a NATO base in Turkey". Now Turkey is making their own shield system btw. Now their 27% of f35s are operational in the US. Whose lost is that ? I hope Turkey never go back to F35s program.
The reference regarding drone supporting for KAAN is wrong. You showed the ANKA S, but ANKA 3 drone will be used, as will the Baykar Kizilelma air fighter drone
Turkey is on a shortlist of countries that are neither a superpower themselves nor suck up to one. I felt that intense national pride when I visited last year. To be honest I hope more countries could be like that.
Turkey had been manufacturing and maintaining f-16 jets for almost 40 years. Turkey have 40 years of experience in 4th generation fighters. In 40 years Turkey created many experienced engineers and technicians. Also many Turkish companies are producing plane parts for airbus and other companies. And even Turkey was one of the partners of f-35 project and hundreds of airframe and engine parts of f-35 were manufactured in Turkey.
KAAN seems to be taller in the Z axis and about the same dimension in the XY axis to F22. Therefore, I don't know about its stealth capabilities. However, GE F110 is American and relatively reliable.
This was originally the iron bird prototype. Meaning it was going to be used for some ground testing. Later on, decided to be a flight-testing prototype as well for cost saving measures. This also the reason why we stop developing the jump seat as well since there is no procurement issue regarding that. The actual KAAN is going to be a little different than this. It is expected to be lighter and roughly around 20% smaller.
Turkey built the mid-bodies for the F-35 for the United States. so it wasn't that they just could no longer purchase the F-35, they were removed from building and participating in manufacturing those mid-bodies (which they actually built better than the United States). That then was moved in-house and also split between other contractors who already had a hand in producing parts for the F-35 elsewhere. Turkey is not a slouch when it comes to building aircraft... they basically had all the technology provided to them by the US until they got kicked out, so they took that experience and shoved it into the Kaan. So, honestly, good on them for that, but they did make a huge mistake purchasing the S400 which has shown to not be nearly as good as it was stated to be. (though its no slouch overall)
In my opinion, the United States needs to go back to doing everything in house, espionage has helped the Chinese, Russians, and Iranians massively by having so many split companies. They wanted to split it so that if anything did get stolen, it would be limited to whatever those partners had a hand in, unfortunately those partners left the 'big guy' vulnerable too.
Both video and you didnt mentioned why Turkey bought s400 missiles. US backed plotters tried a coup attempt in Turkey in 2016. They bombed Turkish Congress with f16s. US didnt handover those who are responsible of Congress bombing.
Well I don't believe getting the S400 is a mistake after all the US Withrow their patriot system and refused to sell or let Turkey produce their own air defense system based on the US ones and that's happened even before they decided on the S400 whichi is the best air defense system by western experts not by just Russian if it's that bad it wouldn't rattle the US that much wether turkey buys them or not let's suppose they are junk then why the fear that they will expose the F35. Anyway buying the S400 is also a strategic decision to fill thegap untill Turkey produce they own air defense systems which they are doing right now with the Siper and Hisar systems. I also find it strange that the US gets ferious over Turkey getting the Russian system and won't do the same when their ally South Korea relied on a Russian missile system which is part of the S400 Arsenal to produce their own system
9:07 Kaan or Khagan, Khan ultimately from the Turkic title "Tarkhan" has been proclaimed by some of historys greatest steppe lords, this Kaan however is going to dominate the eternal sky
anatolians are not asian step people genetically. anatolians are ancestors to everybody who migrated from africa to todays syria and over anatolia to all of europe and the europeans. the other route out of africa, then syria then further, was over yamnaya culture/today ukraina, who also migrated into anatolia as well and from there to europe as well. the europeans than spread again between todays iceland to central anatolia calling themselves celts or the turkish word galata. europeans stem from anatolia , esp everybody with white skin, and the blue eyed, green eyed but dark skinned people stem from yamnaya migration route. europeans and anatolian /people who live today in turkiye have same ancestors , same grandpa and grandma, but turkiye got influnced by asian step politics/culture and warlords, not the genetic influence though. this is all backed up by decades long, international researches by geneticist, archeologist, linguists, archeologs. research boncuklu tepe, karahan tepe, göbekli tepe, catal höyük, its the craddle of european civilisation as well as world civilisation, the oldest temples and city sites found at least dated 14 000 years old. the asian step people didnt even exist then. step asians were strong in past, but didnt mix with anatolians much. anatolians were hittites, friks, likyan, lydians, they were part of empires like the byzantine roman. so trying to find ego booster from asian step culture isnt much going to work. turks missed to call the weapons like Labarna, Mursili, Hattusali, who were kings of Hittites ruling over anatolia and even scaring pharaos in egypt so much that they signed first peace treaty between two countries in world history and pharao king giving his daughter to the hittite king as a wife to secure peace with hittites.
@@beckysam3913 We Turks also migrated to Anatolia and this migration lasted until the 1800s. Anatolia has never been a crowded region in history, except for the Mesopotamian part. That is why we have never been a minority in Anatolia. As you said, our homeland is not Anatolia, but we have been here for 1000 years.
It seems as if guns on a modern fighter are thought of like kick starters on modern motorcycles. A complete reliance on electronics like the F4. We found out that after the missiles were all used up, our planes were nothing but escaping targets. Maybe tech has gotten beyond this. Idk.
The F-4 missile only problem was 50+ years ago. The Javelin my guys carried around on the ground in Afghanistan 10 years ago was more advanced than those missiles. I would strongly suggest that the technology is there. Besides Both US fighters still have cannons so not an F-4 issue.
The problem with the lack of gun on the F-4 had more to do with training than anything else. Veteran pilots were used to gun fights, not missile fights, and the new (Air Force) pilots wasted a lot of training time learning to fly strategic bombers (“universal pilots”). Top Gun and Red Flag were created to fix the training problem.
@@michaelbarnard8529 True but the use of canons is still very much part of the Top Gun program today. All of our modern fighters are equipped with some variant of them.
A lot of it came down to a requirement for visual confirmation which made BVR moot. Operation Bolo showed that it wasn’t really the missiles, it was how they were being used.
Wish you mentioned that before Turkiye acquired the S400 they wanted to buy the American patriot missile systems. They wanted this to defend against missiles being fired at Turkiye and Turkish neighborhoods near the border with Syria. The Americans did not sell them the patriot missile systems but also didn't give them an alternative so they asked Russia if they would provide the S400 to them. Currently the S400 is not in use as far as I know and the F-35's they were promised were given/sold to Greece to spite the Turks. Honestly they took matters into their own hands and it's great to see them developing their own defense industry. Throughout the years there have been many times that NATO has denied Turkiye weapons they needed because they felt that the Turks didn't need them. NATO treats Turkiye in a different way than other NATO countries almost like it's due to them being predominantly Muslim. So instead of pandering to the west, they seem to have tried to figure out their own path. Good for them!
And the US didn't sell them the Patriot system because they were concerned how close Erdogan is with Putin and how Russia has lured itself inside the Turkish power structure with things such as the full ownership of key nuclear power plants in Akkuyu. Makes perfect sense that you don't want to give your system into the hands of someone that you fear will leak key intel on the system to one of your main rivals.
That’s not what happened. Turkey wanted a technology transfer that no other NATO member had been given. The US would sell patriot systems to Turkey, but not the designs so that Turkey could build them themselves. No surprise you’re making this about Turkey being Muslim.
From the UK I wondered about what secrets of the S-400 might be discovered while it was in a NATO country. Were the Russians desperate for money? Will they be programed to miss Russian aircraft? It was a surprising sale. Maybe it is to tempt the country out of NATO?
@myparceltape1169 this s-400 event, all happend like 5-6 years ago. At that time world was not at the brink of a ww3 so turkey thought it was not a big deal to get a russian air defence system. Frankly, americans refused it. They claim that s-400 may get critical info regarding to f-35 ( like radar signature etc ) so they have kicked Turkey out of the whole f-35 program. From my personal perspective; i don't really think that they have kicked Turkey because of this s-400 stuff. Majority of NATO allience were supporting greek side so they did not give air superiority against greeks, so they canceled Turkey from the whole program. This whole s-400 stuff was a huge excuse.
@@myparceltape1169 Turkey bought it for two reasons the first reason is so Turkey would have a modern ish reference system to tear apart and look at as they developed their own systems and the second being political; Turkey and Russia are on opposite sides of so many different proxy wars and due to some events that occured in Syria relationships were very soured. The S400 was a way for Erdo to normalise the relationships to get on with doing trade with Russia again
Is the Queen Elizabeth warship still under maintenance? 6th generation aircraft You can build it, but you can only dream of it! You don't even have a drone project yet!
This is why a country's reputation matters. When Russia reveals its 5th gen fighter, everyone jumps in and dissects its specs to find any exaggerated claims. That's because Russia is a dick and people don't like Russia and its blatant lies. But when Turkey (and South Korea, go team,) builds their domestic jets and be modest about things when needed, military enthusiasts and aerospace nerds around the world shower those new jets with praise and blessings. The reason is simple. A jet that looks good and cool is a jet that looks good and cool - even when it may or may not be on par with more well-known American options such as F-16, F-15, and F-35. So yeah, nice jet. I like it. I'm just a simple aerospace nerd and I love it when I see a friendly country build a new jet and be proud of it.
Kaan, you say if Turkey kaan pull this off, being that fighter jet production kaan be quite expensive? And if they kaan do it, kaan you say if technical team will be provided to the nations that will buy this 5th generation jet? I ask these questions because I kaan.
Realistically, nothing is really going to OUT match the F-35... They might get somewhere close to it but the F-35 is just so far advanced ahead of anything anyone else has that it'll remain dominant for another 5-10 years at least.
I think you were playing in the very earliest days of 40k, yeah... hell, if you don't remember the Chapter name it might've actually been *before* Chapters were a thing, so probably during the Rogue Trader days?
he was a baby when Rogue Trader was a thing lmao, If you aren't older than your 40s there's a high chance you never even encountered rogue trader, so he most likely just forgot the Chapter name
Russia doesn't have a 5th gen fighter, it has a 4rth with some 5th gen features. Then the fighter is just questionable, 1 recently lost at an air show and Russia being at war but not using their "5th" gen fighter begs the question of is it even halfway decent compared to a MIG 29 that is deployed? If it was a top of the line 5th gen it would be deployed and flying over Ukraine but they are not even being flown close to the border or for combat missions. A fighter or a show plane? So far just a show plane. *Edit, And the Armata is not a tank, it's a parade float that couldn't finish the parade.
Did Americans pay any patent or copyright to the inventor of stealth fighter designs? Because a russian engineer calculated low electromagnetic. He is Pyotr Ufimtsev. Americans took his project and created their planes based on his technology. It is about reflection of electromagnetic waves. Low radar cross section needs special geometry. Smallest radar cross section is the lambda design known as flying wing geometry without vertical stabilizers. But lambda design is has very low maneuverability. So for stealth fighter jets second most efficient geometry is used called cropped diamond geometry. f-35, f-22, su-57, j-20 and Kaan they all have cropped diamond design. With bended vertival slabilizers. So they are looking alike...
@michaelbarnard8529 Optimal profile, maybe it's the best or everyone thinks it's the best. However, you're precisely right, 5th gens produced by the US, although seen as flawless are indeed riddled with flaws
I think you're gonna have a bunch of 40 K fans after you, Simon, so be on the lookout for skinny pale guys throwing mini-figures at you, lol. Great video! Still not a fan of the new outro music, but I still appreciate your analysis. Keep it up!
@@514Aslan F-22 is not that special anymore, when time passed bye . Technologies updates to new up date ones day by day. It is like Phones and any day any best next day does not.
@@514Aslan Well of course. Even the US couldn't afford it after the cold war ended. If you pay half a billion dolar for each jet, you can make it a masterpiece. This is why Turkish defense industry booming. Our weapon systems may be 80 to 90% of the US made ones but almost 1/5th of the price. A Reaper drone is like $30m each. With the same money you can buy 6 - 7 Bayraktar TB2s including ground vehicles guided smart bombs and maintenance service. lol If you looked at the US defence industries history, it is filled with failed project costed the US taxpayers Trillions of dollars in total. After spending that much money of course you should have something to show for it.
Did Americans pay any patent or copyright to the inventor of stealth fighter designs? Because a Russian engineer calculated low electromagnetic reflections of 3d objects. He is Pyotr Ufimtsev. He wrote a book about it in 1962 and his book translated to english in 1971. So Americans took his project and created their planes based on russian technology. And noone knows those stealth jet geometry was a Russian technology.
It is about reflection of electromagnetic waves. Low radar cross section needs special geometry. Smallest radar cross section is the lambda design known as flying wing geometry without vertical stabilizers. Like B-2 flying wing bombers but also that flying wing design was first used by Nazi Germans. Americans didn't feel shame to copy any german technology. And now they think copying a working design geometry must be protected by intellectual property rights. But lambda design has very low maneuverability. Fighter jets needs high maneuverability ability. So for stealth fighter jets second most efficient geometry is used called cropped diamond geometry. f-35, f-22, su-57, j-20 and Kaan they all have cropped diamond design. With bended vertical slabilizers. So if you ignore the details and look their silhuettes from front, back or sides they are all almost looking alike... And amateurs comment like it is a car designed that was copied. So any stealth fighter jet in the future will be looking like f35- f22 Kaan or su57. Get used to it.
@@LiterallyMojo Nope. Who makes it should have pay the credit to the theorician. So if Americans didnt pay anything when they copied russian or german techmology today they can’t complain about it. Americans took jet engine technology, rocket engine technology, nuclear power technology from Nazi Germany. And that stealth aircraft technology was founded by a russiam scientist. So any nation would copy the superior technology from another nation.
@d3adlyz3bra Its not like they are used. Serial production only really ramped up in 2022. Prototypes are still sent to the airshows because they don't want to send any production aircraft.
Sorry, but you are terribly ill informed about the design of the (Soviet) hovering fighter jets method of thrust vectoring. Both Soviet designs relied on vectoring (the latest that never entered mainline service) use e Very hot engine exhaust that is roughly more similar to the Harrier. The downside of those designs are damage to the flight deck, greater safety hazard fo deck crea, and most importantly hot air being sucked into engine intake, dramatically reducing power when you need it the most. The F-35B uses a clutched lift fan that avoids those issues..
F35 program cost the US over a trillion dollars. Turkey was part of that program too. Now with the 1/20th of that budget they are producing a more sophisticated aviation industry, a 5th Gen capable fighter Jet and also will procure around 120 of them. All thanks to Us and their embargos since 1974.
There is a larger bridge to span. It's detecting these planes. The US has had decades of experience learning to image these. Especially planes without tail fins. China is the only country I am aware of that even has a prototype of a tailless plane. No doubt, China isn't playing around, but the B2 has been operated for around 30 years. This world needs a Dune style Great Convention. For the non-readers out there that is an agreement that if anyone uses nuclear weapons to unalive humans then every other nuclear armed country joins to destroy the problem. Talk about MAD?
Err.. I guess you missed Turkish ANKA-3 drone, which is flying wing type. Actually it is more of a stealth deep strike unmanned plane, than a more traditional drone like TB-2.
@lonelywolf1480 I did not TBH. Thank you for expanding my understanding. I would say that a drone is a bit different than a nuclear capable bomber in response, though.
Video touches all probabilities about KAAN aircraft consumers around the world. Is the US allowing turkey to become another ( competitor WW2 Japan) in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea?....maybe Turkey 🇹🇷 has F-35 aircraft's....
US allowing Turkiye? What a smartass expression is that! Learn some fact before you say something on a subject First of all,US has no business in Blacksea, access to which (for large warships) is totally under Turkish control via Istanbul and Dardanelles straits. And if it is war times, like the Ukraine war right now, Turkiye has the right and does not allow any country (those not have coast on Black sea) to send any military ships to Blacksea. Therefore, western NATO countries do not have any warships in Blacksea right now. Also Turkiye does not need any permissions from anybody, including US, to develop and market products around the world, including military gear.
You said on an American website, in English, using an American processor running an American operating system, on the American made internet. Don't get me wrong others eventually jumped on but TCP/IP, DNS, NAT all American inventions. We also invented nuclear power, the mRNA vaccine although our allies the French invented CRISPR which is how we made it. The US Government sends more foreign aid out (peace only, not even including defense aid) then every other nation in the world combined. We even feed the people in the DPRK although Kims regime tends to take that food, sale it for live stock feed, and give that to their people to make it "stretch" so they can skim off for their WMD research. What has your country done recently? (We also invented the Integrated Circuit, and we taught the USSR how to build engines back in the day)
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket That's why I specifically put the American "government" in parentheses. to keep the actions of governments separate from that nation. By the way, with all my respect, I think there is no point in what you wrote in the rest. Frankly, such simple competitions are quite childish. Also, I have never witnessed an American expressing gratitude to the Chinese, who invented gunpowder, for Vietnam war, the Middle East invasions, or the Gaza genocide sponsored by the US with its bombs.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket yes your country strong and advanced. That is not the case. But you are not angel like you said. American ignorance is real. You know nothing about the world except what you are told by your media. You are supporting terorist organisations (PKK) in Turkey. And you destroyed middle east. Before you came middle east, there was piece. Your country (and israel) killed millions of civilian in middle east. You are the most evil country right now. You killed all that people for just oil. And you are telling democracy stories (even you dont have it).
Interesting Video, but it would be nice putting it on the very beginning that it's all about expectations...so I went up to ~ Time 11:00 to get this information. Until this point I was wondering why Turkey is still so desperate getting its hands on Eurofighter Jets.
Turkey still needs 40 Eurofighters and even more F16 Vipers (I don't know the exact number they ordered from the US) until KAAN is fully operational in big numbers in the air forces. Actually they plan a new concept with KAAN as it will act as command center while flying with autonomous drones such as ANKA 3 and Kizilelma in the air and while being supported by unmanned ground and naval systems.
Other than electromagnetic and and thermal stealth, it possesses all the characteristics of a 5th generation fighter, in my opinion. Imagine if the F135 engine was adapted for the F-15. And I didn't even mention that there was a stealth prototype, the F-15 Silent Eagle.
@@mike-0451 an F15 isnt nowhere as maneuverable as an F35. The F35 is a racecar, the F15 is a racecar and a cargo truck. It has enough firepower to level cities.
It’s only superior in dogfight maneuvering but an f35 will be unrecognizable to the modernized f15s radar systems, AND will be outranked by missiles by an order of several kilometers. In no realistic engagement could the top line f15 take down an f35
all the 5th gen fighters are basically missile taxis, with the exception SU--57 and possibly the Kaan. The J20 will neither be a great stealth aircraft nor a good close in combat jet so its going to be almost exclusively a missile taxi unless the Chinese are going to mass produce them is stupid numbers to counteract losses. The SU--57 was primarily designed to be the best close combat aircraft in the world (and I don't think even our American friends could deny that it is) and the stealth came as a bonus. The Kaan is born of necessity. The US would not sell F35 or F22's to Türkiye so they decided to build a multirole aircraft with stealth capabilities. Its unlikely that it will be close to the top in ranking for stealth, but being that it was designed to do more than deliver long-range missiles that is probably a fair compromise. The problem with the F35 and F22's is although they are awesome jets, their cost is way too high and the time it takes to build them is way to long. If the US wants to take on China and possibly Russia there will be losses. Then the question becomes what do you need most? replacement fighters quicker than you lose them, or less costly and maybe less refined aircraft that you can produce as quickly as you lose them. If the Chinese or Russians develop radar or remote sensing systems that can detect stealth aircraft then all the compromises made to make the F35 and F22 the best stealth aircraft possible are likely to bite the US very hard in the ar$E. A F35 costs nearly three time the cost of a SU-57, requires 4 times the maintenance hours, and takes more than two times (nearly three) longer to build. In a protracted war the SU-57 makes far more sense. The Russians could lose at 2:1 ratios to the US and yet still be ahead a year down the line if the F35 is basically being used as a missile taxi, but if it comes to close in combat its more likely to be evens. I cant see any war between the US and China or Russia being a short one unless nukes are used. The F35 design is a extremely effective aircraft that will allow it to get to a launch position with a very significant chance of not being detected before launching its missiles, but once it launches its going to be lit up like a Christmas tree on any opponents radar and if I was a F35 pilot I would be praying there are no SU-57's or J20's and potentially Kaans close by. I think the J20 will be more than capable of taking on a F35 in a dogfight or at closer ranges but lose abysmaly to a F22. Given that the F35's will use long range weapons unless there is absolutely no other choice. That will make hitting ground targets far more expensive for the US and its questionable that the US can produce those long--range missiles in sufficient numbers and fast enough in a protracted war. So the bottom line really is making a 5th gen full stealth fighter going to be cost effective or the right aircraft for a protracted war? The alternative of course is the US continue making war on countries that are far far weaker as they have been for the last 30 years, in which case do they really need the F35 or F22?
Not really. It is a cost saving issue. The Us doesn't have 38 trillion dollars of debt for no reason. All other countries are just smart enough to not to try to re-invent the weel and use the money for better purposes like free or cheap quality health care, education, pension programs etc. lol
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Since you made a video about the Unsexy legacy Hornet can you also make one about the Super Hornet?? Btw love the content.
Yall might want to clean up the comments section. It filled with racist comments.
You think Ukraine is going to be much of anything after losing its best land, millions of people, and having its economy (what there was of it) holed out is a laugh. The next laugh is that 30 KAAN could ever come soon enough to 1 up Russia. When the war ends, who is going to pay for Ukraine's military and reconstruction? Cause they won't. You think the US pay the TRILLIONS needed? There's an orange fellow that might have an issue with that idea.
Math doesn’t change ! Wind tunnels /fluid dynamics is the same DOESNT matter where you from. at some point everyone is going to end up at the most optimal design that is going to be very similar. Just like in formula 1 all the cars look similar except for small details.
It is about reflection of electromagnetic waves. Low radar cross section needs special geometry. Smallest radar cross section is the lambda design known as flying wing geometry without vertical stabilizers. But lambda design is has very low maneuverability. So for stealth fighter jets second most efficient geometry is used called cropped diamond geometry. f-35, f-22, su-57, j-20 and Kaan they all have cropped diamond design. With bended vertival slabilizers. So they are looking alike...
So.. what about the YF-23???? That looked COMPLETELY different from the F-22 and yet was even MORE stealthy?
@ If you look at the silhuette from front or back or side. You cant see any major difference. They are all cropped diamond geometry.
so the gen 6th should look exactly like the gen 5? yeah we haven't reached the full potential of the airplane yet...so if it looks like an f35 or an f22, they are just copying the usa still...I dont think we will see the full potential of what you said till gen 9 or gen 10 but what u said will one day come true
Its called convergent evolution in nature, birds look alike, same for fishes and similarly Airbus planes look like Boeing planes.
Turkey's self reliance approach is a wise long term decision. The information and experience they will gain will maintain their political independence and a new export industry.
Its no good if you can't launch enough satelites to utilise the planes systems fully. Only the big three can project that type of domination.
I had to laugh at India purchasing American global hawks recently knowing that the US only has to turn of their GPS to disable them in an emergency.
Yes tell that to the people suffering triple diget inflation
Turkey has not demonstrated the kind of high tech industry needed to make this work and we've seen other countries with more resources fail spectacularly already. Then again if their clients are facing Russian/Chinese or worse weapon systems. Barely functional stealth might still help
I’m guessing that the stuff they’re being fed is an indirect way to keep Turkey leaning westward rather than eastward (either way).
Except for those GE F110 engines... Great engine choice but on board fuel may be a problem...if the aircraft is 3/4 the weight of the F-22 or J-20
KHAAAAAAAAANNNNN
Haaaannn to west..lol
William Shatner marketing inevitable.
Buried alive... buried alive...
I still own that movie on VHS. Lol
The only fighter craft Captain Kirk actually hates.
Turkey already showcased that they are very capable at producing cost/efficient systems like the Bayraktar drone. This aligns with their economic foreign policy.
I’d like to share some insights. While it’s officially announced as a 5th-generation fighter, the initial version of Turkey’s Kaan jet will likely align more closely with 4th or 4.5-generation capabilities. As you know, one of the defining features of a 4.5-generation fighter is the inclusion of an AESA radar, which Turkey has already developed under the "MURAD" project.
Achieving true 5th-generation status requires an engine capable of supercruise, a technology we have yet to produce or even begin development on. However, Turkey’s engine development program is progressing rapidly, with plans to introduce 4.5-generation engines featuring afterburners and sufficient thrust capacity by the early 2030s. I believe that by the mid-2030s, we could reach 5th-generation engine capabilities.
When it comes to 6th-generation technologies, Turkey is well-positioned thanks to its advancements in drone technology. The country is already running a test program for fighter-jet-controlled drones, using platforms like the Turkish light combat jet "Hürjet" and the stealth drone bomber "Anka-3." The Kaan jet is also being designed with future 6th-generation requirements in mind, ensuring readiness for upcoming technological leaps.
In my view, with the ambitious "Kızılelma" program by Baykar (the creators of the TB2 drone) focusing on a fighter jet drone powered by advanced AI, we may see a shift in focus toward Kızılelma by the 2030s. This could potentially take precedence over the Kaan project as drone and AI technologies continue to evolve.
When it comes to missiles, Turkey is in a fortunate position, as we have already developed and are producing a wide range of options. While the Kaan jet won't be able to compete with the F-35 on day one, it’s important to note that the F-35 comes with significant limitations-it’s extremely expensive and operates under strict restrictions imposed by the United States.
More importantly, if Turkey succeeds in developing its own jet engines, it will unlock enormous potential for exporting the Kaan. Just as drones revolutionized the Turkish defense industry, the Kaan jet has the potential to be a game-changer and a powerful addition to our capabilities.
Great video! I had no clue and this shows my ignorance of how advanced Turkey is. Thank you for this information.
The thought of Simon playing warhammer brings me great happiness
The cost involved in playing that game is a megaproject.
It's an ambitious project which I've been following for some years, during which I've learnt about the capabilities of Turkish defense industry firms (5 of which are in the top 100), which is on par with the best of them on most fronts; I approached it on defense forums with much skepticism at first as I didn't know about Turkey's capabilities but I soon learnt that this is a serious project. We'll wait and see what comes of it but so far it's been promising. Even as a 4.5 fighter it'd be a great achievement as this is their first attempt.
Even though this was our first attempt to build a modern fighter jet, it wasn't our first attempt to build our aviation industry. What we had after first world war was destroyed under the guise of Marshall plans and Truman doctrines. Turkish aviation industry did build several planes and even exported some trainers back then. But the US decided our role in the middle east was a farming country and actually pressured government to shut down its airplane industry and even gifted us some airplanes they were decommissioning. Only after Lyndon B. Johnsons infamous letter (in 1964) to prime minister İsmet İnönü Türkiye realized that nothing is free and start rebuilding a defence industry after the US embargos in 1974.
Bangladesh needs to make a deal with turkey
Turkish 5th Gen fighter jet Spec:
- 360 degree Gan (Gallium Nitride) Active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar
- Infrared search and track (IRST)
- 360 degree Electronic warfare suite (EW)
- Electro Optical targeting system (EOTS)
- Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM)
- Manned-Unmanned Teaming (MUM-T)
- TULGAR Helmet Mounted Display (HMD)
1.8 mach cruise speed
2.5 mach max speed
Internet weapon bay
55.000 feet operational altitude
BVR Air2Air missiles
WVR Air2air missiles
Cruise missiles
Anti-Ship missiles
Air launched ballistic missiles
Precision guided rockets
Anti-radiation missile
Kamikaze (Loitering) drones
TULGAR Helmet Mounted Display (HMD)
Color screen and digital night vision technologies will be used for the first time in the system, which was developed as binocular (two optical channels) and viewfinder reflective. In this way, color-specific groupings (friend, foe, etc.) can be made in the symbology information.
A hybrid (optical-inertial) system is designed as a head tracking system. The inner helmet will be specially produced for the pilot in terms of both comfort of use and proper viewing. For this, the head structure of the pilot will be scanned and the inner helmet will be processed according to the data generated after the scan. The visor will also be personalized according to the pilot in terms of oxygen mask and face form compatibility.
Headphones will have active noise suppression (ANR-Active Noise Reduction) technology, and the pilot's awareness will be increased by transferring the 3D sound from the aircraft's internal speech system in stereo. The image obtained by using high-precision line of sight information from the 360-degree image created by the electro-optical systems on the aircraft will be projected onto the viewfinder and will provide a sense of use as if the aircraft does not have a fuselage.
ASELSAN's 3D Audio Technology is based on HRTF (Human Related Transfer Function). 3D Audio is created spatially based on the location information of the warning and the head movements of the pilot. So the sound is transmitted as if it is coming from above, below, right or left.
Thanks to 3D Audio technology, the pilot's environmental awareness increases, response time and workload decrease.
Radio separation is created using 3D Audio. Communication channels are transmitted to the pilot from different angles so that the pilot can easily distinguish between channels.
3D Audio Features
• Real-Time Operation
• Radio Separation
• Directional Warning
• Global Positioning
• Reduced Response Time
• Reduced Workload
• Increased Environmental Awareness
Program timeline:
Until 2028 a total of 29 aircraft’s will be produced. With GE F110 engines
9 aircraft’s as an prototype (block-0) and 20 aircraft’s (block-1) to be delivered to the airforce.
Also in 2028 a Turkish domestically designed and produced turbofan engine capable of producing 135.000 pound trust (175 Kn) will be integrated in the aircraft and start test flight with the domestic engine
In 2030 the aircraft’s (block-20) plans to go in to mass production with the domestic engine.
Production rate will be 24/year and can be increased if needed
The success of the Tai TF X program or best known as Kaan fighter jet as the first 5th Gen prototype has been produced by a nation that is not The US, China and Russia hasn't come from mere void or luck, the aerospace industry of Turkey has been capable of doing various projects and collaborations. Turkey produce and assemble and do maintaince of the F16 and black hawk, and they were a partner in producing parts for the F35 sleath fighter program. TAI is Lockheed Martin strategic partner while TEI the engine manufacturer procudes engines for General Electric they also collaborated on the European A400 atlas strategic airlifter thus the nation have the infrastructure and knowhow of producing aircrafts or Nato-standard equipments related to aviation in general not only that they are on par with China and The US in terms of highly sophisticated UAV and UCAV in both public and private sector like the TB2, TB3, Akinci, Kizilelma jet powered, the Anka S, the Aksungur and Anka 3 not even the whole European union comes close in terms of drones manufacturing. The kaan is going to be reality but producing it will require huge efforts, financial support and commitment, more expertise especially in the engine sector which is still the weak link and more important the time that such projects take a decade from the prototype to full manufacturing capabilities and that's not a handicap but a process that all nations who seeks or already have those 5th Gen platforms went through at the end it's a feat because a nation outside of the superpowers did it
Simon promoting and confirming his knowledge of War Hammer 40k just made my day. Much nerd credit.
I like how so many designs look similar to the F22. Convergent evolution is as common in engineering, as it is in nature.
Right? The modern/future fighters are like the crabs of the aviation world😂
if have to correct u: Turkey needed an Air defense system like the Patriot, but the very so called close ALLY USA didnt sell it Turkey, so Turkey went to S400 System. Also unreliable allys like USA and EU, with its Ambargos, speeded up the national ambitions for independent Military Systems like the KAAN and also others
We should note that for a successful program all boil down to
1 - contracts, the RnD cost can break the camel's back
2 - collaborations, you have to share the Weight of RnD in order to be ready in time to make any sense
3 - Industrial capacity
4 - cost per unit
If our politicians here in Brazil were smart, or patriotic, of which they are neither, they would purchase 36+12 more Gripen E/Fs and then make an order of 32 KAAN to have a Hi-Lo mix of Stealth/45th gen Multirole fighters to ensure that our air defense/superiority needs would be fulfilled up until the early 2050s.
Simon, I always appreciate and love your passion in explaining your subjects. Keep thriving, Dear Simon. Thanks
I hope Kevin throws in a few 40K references into his next script on Brain Blaze to see if Simon recognizes anything
A former very high ranked Commander said in a News Show: They´´re already working on a Vertical Take Off Version ".
He also said, the domestic engine with 39.000 libre power ( 2x 39k = 78.000 libre power ) is almost ready for testings.
I am optimistic that this plane will become a real 5th gen fighter, not like the Russian one which has still significant radar cross section. The Russians also have problems with the special radar observable paint.
Video suggestion: Arms sales around the world, who buys what from whom, when there are conflicts like what happened with Turkey and the f-35, what happens if you go to war with someone you armed
Well the big thing with the F35 is is NEEDS a sever on the ground that's controled by the US for several of the functions. Pretty much all of the advanced features that makes the F35 awesome. Without that, they still should be able to fly it. Target things with the built in radar and shoot with the gun. So pretty much fly it like an f16. (As far as I understand everything)
But that defeats the point of the F35. Its got SO MUCH TECHNOLOGY in it. Essentially it can target something and an aircraft with a less advanced targeting, and no stealth capabilities can use the information from the F35 to shoot at the target from REALLY far away while the F35 hides in enemy airspace. I think ONE country did something different than the rest as far as those capabilities.
But I would love to see how others countrys and contractors went about that because I think the US was pretty smart with what they did. But I think (and hope they did ) at least put a "back door" in the F35 to essentially "lock out" whomever they deem shouldn't have access to that aircraft. And with how advanced these aircraft are they could probably take off fly and land by themselves to get away from who the US deems unfit
Built in computer failures.
@@joewaun894 Well, this is true, however most countries just build a less capable export version and never give more than needed technology and always try to keep the maintenance of such strategic assets in house. For example, F35 has a special coating in order to help it's stealth capabilities. You cannot take a sample from the scraped paint after the repainting is done. all the removed paint and dust sent back to the US in special containers.
Korea's Boramae isn't meant to be a 5th gen fighter. It was built to be a export worthy 4.5 gen multirole fighter. They are working on a full 5th gen model down the road but the KF-21 is a 4th gen plane with some stealth capabilities.
Ultramarines Simon, Space marines are the entire faction. You know there is not much more food for the soul than revisiting 40k as an adult. You have the funds to get the models you want, and the patience to learn to paint them to a high standard. And you will be surprised how many friends see them on your shelf and admit they are interested in jumping in too. Pure joy.
Ultramarines aren't yellow and blue, I believe its the Space Wolves he was thinking of
@@saracenrue3643ultramarines have blue armour with yellow trimmed shoulder pads. Spacewolves are a grey-blue but more grey, with shoulder pads being red or yellow or both depending on the company.
He could also mean the thousand sons from chaos too but most likely its the ultramarines
@@caseyaldrich6864 I was thinking the Ultramarines have blue armour with gold trim, and they do, but I remember now that is for 2nd Company. Other companies have different trim colours iirc. And yes you're right about the Space Wolves, fair play
Or maybe, just maybe Simon didn't go with an official chapter and used his own paint scheme.
Model paint causes brain damage
Isn’t the ROK describing the KAI KF-21 Boramae as _only_ a 4.5 gen fighter jet themselves? Something to do with a lack of internal weapons storage.
it's slated to gain those 5th gen capabilities in the forthcoming blocks. Probably will achieve them before Kaan is operational.
The internal weapon bay space has supposedly already been designed in the fuselage by Lockheed Martin, the co-designer of KF-21.
YES WE " KAAN " !
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There is an idiom in Turkish "A Bad neighbor make you a house owner". Turkey just wanted to buy patriot because of the conflict in Syria. But the US administration strongly refused it. So they bought S400 because they have no choice to protect themself after "Italians took back their missile system from a NATO base in Turkey". Now Turkey is making their own shield system btw. Now their 27% of f35s are operational in the US. Whose lost is that ?
I hope Turkey never go back to F35s program.
0:55 that's Japan, the UK and Italy actually not the EU.
thats a fire ass thumbnail
The reference regarding drone supporting for KAAN is wrong. You showed the ANKA S, but ANKA 3 drone will be used, as will the Baykar Kizilelma air fighter drone
Turkey is on a shortlist of countries that are neither a superpower themselves nor suck up to one. I felt that intense national pride when I visited last year. To be honest I hope more countries could be like that.
I just started this. I’m looking forward to how they skipped the first second third and fourth generations!
What...? They do produce aircrafts
I thought the joke was funny
turkey has been producing f-16s under license
Turkey had been manufacturing and maintaining f-16 jets for almost 40 years. Turkey have 40 years of experience in 4th generation fighters. In 40 years Turkey created many experienced engineers and technicians. Also many Turkish companies are producing plane parts for airbus and other companies. And even Turkey was one of the partners of f-35 project and hundreds of airframe and engine parts of f-35 were manufactured in Turkey.
KAAN seems to be taller in the Z axis and about the same dimension in the XY axis to F22. Therefore, I don't know about its stealth capabilities. However, GE F110 is American and relatively reliable.
This was originally the iron bird prototype. Meaning it was going to be used for some ground testing. Later on, decided to be a flight-testing prototype as well for cost saving measures. This also the reason why we stop developing the jump seat as well since there is no procurement issue regarding that. The actual KAAN is going to be a little different than this. It is expected to be lighter and roughly around 20% smaller.
Turkey built the mid-bodies for the F-35 for the United States. so it wasn't that they just could no longer purchase the F-35, they were removed from building and participating in manufacturing those mid-bodies (which they actually built better than the United States). That then was moved in-house and also split between other contractors who already had a hand in producing parts for the F-35 elsewhere. Turkey is not a slouch when it comes to building aircraft... they basically had all the technology provided to them by the US until they got kicked out, so they took that experience and shoved it into the Kaan. So, honestly, good on them for that, but they did make a huge mistake purchasing the S400 which has shown to not be nearly as good as it was stated to be. (though its no slouch overall)
In my opinion, the United States needs to go back to doing everything in house, espionage has helped the Chinese, Russians, and Iranians massively by having so many split companies. They wanted to split it so that if anything did get stolen, it would be limited to whatever those partners had a hand in, unfortunately those partners left the 'big guy' vulnerable too.
Both video and you didnt mentioned why Turkey bought s400 missiles. US backed plotters tried a coup attempt in Turkey in 2016. They bombed Turkish Congress with f16s. US didnt handover those who are responsible of Congress bombing.
@@mactwentytwentyfour No mention of izrael with the Lavi???
why mention it? old school
Well I don't believe getting the S400 is a mistake after all the US Withrow their patriot system and refused to sell or let Turkey produce their own air defense system based on the US ones and that's happened even before they decided on the S400 whichi is the best air defense system by western experts not by just Russian if it's that bad it wouldn't rattle the US that much wether turkey buys them or not let's suppose they are junk then why the fear that they will expose the F35. Anyway buying the S400 is also a strategic decision to fill thegap untill Turkey produce they own air defense systems which they are doing right now with the Siper and Hisar systems. I also find it strange that the US gets ferious over Turkey getting the Russian system and won't do the same when their ally South Korea relied on a Russian missile system which is part of the S400 Arsenal to produce their own system
He's back... prefer his front ❤
SU-57 is widely considered to be a 4.5 Gen. I’d say only China and the US have true 5th gen’s
Nice new specs
9:07 Kaan or Khagan, Khan ultimately from the Turkic title "Tarkhan" has been proclaimed by some of historys greatest steppe lords, this Kaan however is going to dominate the eternal sky
and im santa claus 😜😜
anatolians are not asian step people genetically. anatolians are ancestors to everybody who migrated from africa to todays syria and over anatolia to all of europe and the europeans. the other route out of africa, then syria then further, was over yamnaya culture/today ukraina, who also migrated into anatolia as well and from there to europe as well. the europeans than spread again between todays iceland to central anatolia calling themselves celts or the turkish word galata. europeans stem from anatolia , esp everybody with white skin, and the blue eyed, green eyed but dark skinned people stem from yamnaya migration route.
europeans and anatolian /people who live today in turkiye have same ancestors , same grandpa and grandma, but turkiye got influnced by asian step politics/culture and warlords, not the genetic influence though. this is all backed up by decades long, international researches by geneticist, archeologist, linguists, archeologs. research boncuklu tepe, karahan tepe, göbekli tepe, catal höyük, its the craddle of european civilisation as well as world civilisation, the oldest temples and city sites found at least dated 14 000 years old. the asian step people didnt even exist then. step asians were strong in past, but didnt mix with anatolians much. anatolians were hittites, friks, likyan, lydians, they were part of empires like the byzantine roman. so trying to find ego booster from asian step culture isnt much going to work. turks missed to call the weapons like Labarna, Mursili, Hattusali, who were kings of Hittites ruling over anatolia and even scaring pharaos in egypt so much that they signed first peace treaty between two countries in world history and pharao king giving his daughter to the hittite king as a wife to secure peace with hittites.
@@beckysam3913 We Turks also migrated to Anatolia and this migration lasted until the 1800s. Anatolia has never been a crowded region in history, except for the Mesopotamian part. That is why we have never been a minority in Anatolia. As you said, our homeland is not Anatolia, but we have been here for 1000 years.
Senin saçma sapan milliyetçilik yorumların sürekli karşıma çıkıyor ve mide bulandırıcı . Türkiye'de bile yaşamıyorsun büyük ihtimalle. Gurbetçi
euhm ... guys .. im a gr.... gr son of genkhis khan so yall bettr listen to me when i say i really am santa claus!!!!
It seems as if guns on a modern fighter are thought of like kick starters on modern motorcycles. A complete reliance on electronics like the F4.
We found out that after the missiles were all used up, our planes were nothing but escaping targets. Maybe tech has gotten beyond this. Idk.
The F-4 missile only problem was 50+ years ago. The Javelin my guys carried around on the ground in Afghanistan 10 years ago was more advanced than those missiles. I would strongly suggest that the technology is there.
Besides
Both US fighters still have cannons so not an F-4 issue.
The problem with the lack of gun on the F-4 had more to do with training than anything else. Veteran pilots were used to gun fights, not missile fights, and the new (Air Force) pilots wasted a lot of training time learning to fly strategic bombers (“universal pilots”). Top Gun and Red Flag were created to fix the training problem.
@@michaelbarnard8529 True but the use of canons is still very much part of the Top Gun program today. All of our modern fighters are equipped with some variant of them.
A lot of it came down to a requirement for visual confirmation which made BVR moot.
Operation Bolo showed that it wasn’t really the missiles, it was how they were being used.
Looks so familiar
nice watch Simon.
Wish you mentioned that before Turkiye acquired the S400 they wanted to buy the American patriot missile systems. They wanted this to defend against missiles being fired at Turkiye and Turkish neighborhoods near the border with Syria. The Americans did not sell them the patriot missile systems but also didn't give them an alternative so they asked Russia if they would provide the S400 to them. Currently the S400 is not in use as far as I know and the F-35's they were promised were given/sold to Greece to spite the Turks. Honestly they took matters into their own hands and it's great to see them developing their own defense industry. Throughout the years there have been many times that NATO has denied Turkiye weapons they needed because they felt that the Turks didn't need them. NATO treats Turkiye in a different way than other NATO countries almost like it's due to them being predominantly Muslim. So instead of pandering to the west, they seem to have tried to figure out their own path. Good for them!
And the US didn't sell them the Patriot system because they were concerned how close Erdogan is with Putin and how Russia has lured itself inside the Turkish power structure with things such as the full ownership of key nuclear power plants in Akkuyu.
Makes perfect sense that you don't want to give your system into the hands of someone that you fear will leak key intel on the system to one of your main rivals.
Erdogan is the wannabe Mussolini to Putin's Hitler. Turks are treated differently because they act differently.
That’s not what happened. Turkey wanted a technology transfer that no other NATO member had been given. The US would sell patriot systems to Turkey, but not the designs so that Turkey could build them themselves. No surprise you’re making this about Turkey being Muslim.
Like for the like god! Comments for the comment throne! "The little blue and yellow guys" absolutely had me in stitches
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How many hair plug procedures do you have to do to have a tax base big enough to fun this.
Lol yeah, cosmetics is a popular industry over here.
@@Moojuice4 You forget the money from the middle-east and the fact they will never get the F-35s, because the racism from the US is well known...
I wonder if the Americans and the Turks made a deal under the table about the s-400 systems…
All the best to everyone
“Unprovoked invasion” that’s the only untrue statement in this video.
I am Turkish. I love to watch your videos Simon ! Much love from Turkey ❤ 🇹🇷
From the UK I wondered about what secrets of the S-400 might be discovered while it was in a NATO country.
Were the Russians desperate for money?
Will they be programed to miss Russian aircraft?
It was a surprising sale. Maybe it is to tempt the country out of NATO?
@myparceltape1169 this s-400 event, all happend like 5-6 years ago. At that time world was not at the brink of a ww3 so turkey thought it was not a big deal to get a russian air defence system. Frankly, americans refused it. They claim that s-400 may get critical info regarding to f-35 ( like radar signature etc ) so they have kicked Turkey out of the whole f-35 program.
From my personal perspective; i don't really think that they have kicked Turkey because of this s-400 stuff. Majority of NATO allience were supporting greek side so they did not give air superiority against greeks, so they canceled Turkey from the whole program. This whole s-400 stuff was a huge excuse.
@@myparceltape1169 Turkey bought it for two reasons the first reason is so Turkey would have a modern ish reference system to tear apart and look at as they developed their own systems and the second being political; Turkey and Russia are on opposite sides of so many different proxy wars and due to some events that occured in Syria relationships were very soured. The S400 was a way for Erdo to normalise the relationships to get on with doing trade with Russia again
I literally clicked in this vid thinking it was an F-22 video 😭
Erm.., Japan, the UK and Italy are building what was known as Tempest,. 6th Gen. Nothing to do with the EU.
Is the Queen Elizabeth warship still under maintenance? 6th generation aircraft You can build it, but you can only dream of it! You don't even have a drone project yet!
The editor needed to take the f-15 overlay off of that line drawing of the KAAN. :/
This is why a country's reputation matters. When Russia reveals its 5th gen fighter, everyone jumps in and dissects its specs to find any exaggerated claims. That's because Russia is a dick and people don't like Russia and its blatant lies. But when Turkey (and South Korea, go team,) builds their domestic jets and be modest about things when needed, military enthusiasts and aerospace nerds around the world shower those new jets with praise and blessings. The reason is simple. A jet that looks good and cool is a jet that looks good and cool - even when it may or may not be on par with more well-known American options such as F-16, F-15, and F-35.
So yeah, nice jet. I like it. I'm just a simple aerospace nerd and I love it when I see a friendly country build a new jet and be proud of it.
Oh and the USA with the largest propaganda scheme is alright? The US is far worse than Russia lol.
KAAN will be the best player in the world!
You are starting to sound like the Indians. Empty boasting. Do first, boast later
Kaan, you say if Turkey kaan pull this off, being that fighter jet production kaan be quite expensive?
And if they kaan do it, kaan you say if technical team will be provided to the nations that will buy this 5th generation jet?
I ask these questions because I kaan.
Realistically, nothing is really going to OUT match the F-35... They might get somewhere close to it but the F-35 is just so far advanced ahead of anything anyone else has that it'll remain dominant for another 5-10 years at least.
goal is being self relient and this is long term project
The ‘Con’ 😅
Now there are only two players, Russian is out already. Others, all jokes.
I think you were playing in the very earliest days of 40k, yeah... hell, if you don't remember the Chapter name it might've actually been *before* Chapters were a thing, so probably during the Rogue Trader days?
he was a baby when Rogue Trader was a thing lmao, If you aren't older than your 40s there's a high chance you never even encountered rogue trader, so he most likely just forgot the Chapter name
Russia doesn't have a 5th gen fighter, it has a 4rth with some 5th gen features. Then the fighter is just questionable, 1 recently lost at an air show and Russia being at war but not using their "5th" gen fighter begs the question of is it even halfway decent compared to a MIG 29 that is deployed? If it was a top of the line 5th gen it would be deployed and flying over Ukraine but they are not even being flown close to the border or for combat missions. A fighter or a show plane? So far just a show plane.
*Edit, And the Armata is not a tank, it's a parade float that couldn't finish the parade.
The f22 at home
I knew I should have copyrighted the look of the F22
That's not how any of that works, but funny joke.
Well i think that would be hard because it's the most optimal design
Did Americans pay any patent or copyright to the inventor of stealth fighter designs? Because a russian engineer calculated low electromagnetic. He is Pyotr Ufimtsev. Americans took his project and created their planes based on his technology.
It is about reflection of electromagnetic waves. Low radar cross section needs special geometry. Smallest radar cross section is the lambda design known as flying wing geometry without vertical stabilizers. But lambda design is has very low maneuverability. So for stealth fighter jets second most efficient geometry is used called cropped diamond geometry. f-35, f-22, su-57, j-20 and Kaan they all have cropped diamond design. With bended vertival slabilizers. So they are looking alike...
@@specc_s1452 Not really. The F-22 has a lot of compromises involving particular pieces of equipment.
@michaelbarnard8529 Optimal profile, maybe it's the best or everyone thinks it's the best. However, you're precisely right, 5th gens produced by the US, although seen as flawless are indeed riddled with flaws
I think you're gonna have a bunch of 40 K fans after you, Simon, so be on the lookout for skinny pale guys throwing mini-figures at you, lol. Great video! Still not a fan of the new outro music, but I still appreciate your analysis. Keep it up!
J-31
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13:45 Simon what's going on here?
KAAN ❤❤
The modern world air forces really are just the raptor and its cosplayers isnt it
Would you try to reinvent the wheel if it meant to spend a significant chunk of your nation's treasury?
small F22
You didn't color grade some of your footage.
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Super cruises the ability to fly without afterburners at mach speeds nothing to do with distance...
100% identical to F-22...not being condescending, but it really looks exactly like a F-22...
Not at all...The F-22 is a masterpiece that can't be copied period!
@@514Aslan F-22 is not that special anymore, when time passed bye . Technologies updates to new up date ones day by day. It is like Phones and any day any best next day does not.
Superficially maybe. Easy to find differences, e.g. cockpit design.
@@514Aslan Well of course. Even the US couldn't afford it after the cold war ended. If you pay half a billion dolar for each jet, you can make it a masterpiece. This is why Turkish defense industry booming. Our weapon systems may be 80 to 90% of the US made ones but almost 1/5th of the price. A Reaper drone is like $30m each. With the same money you can buy 6 - 7 Bayraktar TB2s including ground vehicles guided smart bombs and maintenance service. lol
If you looked at the US defence industries history, it is filled with failed project costed the US taxpayers Trillions of dollars in total. After spending that much money of course you should have something to show for it.
Turkeys CAN fly 😎
KAAAN ☝️💪
Did Americans pay any patent or copyright to the inventor of stealth fighter designs? Because a Russian engineer calculated low electromagnetic reflections of 3d objects. He is Pyotr Ufimtsev. He wrote a book about it in 1962 and his book translated to english in 1971. So Americans took his project and created their planes based on russian technology. And noone knows those stealth jet geometry was a Russian technology.
It is about reflection of electromagnetic waves. Low radar cross section needs special geometry. Smallest radar cross section is the lambda design known as flying wing geometry without vertical stabilizers. Like B-2 flying wing bombers but also that flying wing design was first used by Nazi Germans. Americans didn't feel shame to copy any german technology. And now they think copying a working design geometry must be protected by intellectual property rights.
But lambda design has very low maneuverability. Fighter jets needs high maneuverability ability. So for stealth fighter jets second most efficient geometry is used called cropped diamond geometry. f-35, f-22, su-57, j-20 and Kaan they all have cropped diamond design. With bended vertical slabilizers. So if you ignore the details and look their silhuettes from front, back or sides they are all almost looking alike... And amateurs comment like it is a car designed that was copied. So any stealth fighter jet in the future will be looking like f35- f22 Kaan or su57. Get used to it.
A bunch of this is factually incorrect
Its who builds it first, not comes up with a theory that gets the credit.
@@LiterallyMojo Nope. Who makes it should have pay the credit to the theorician. So if Americans didnt pay anything when they copied russian or german techmology today they can’t complain about it.
Americans took jet engine technology, rocket engine technology, nuclear power technology from Nazi Germany. And that stealth aircraft technology was founded by a russiam scientist.
So any nation would copy the superior technology from another nation.
You can tell this video was filmed before Russia ceased production lmfao
TURKIYE is already World’s leader with Drones like TB-2 , Just nailed TB-3 from Naval Ship , soon KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 comparing price
i love how the US leaked the looks and shape but not the capabilities. thats how you know who is spying on your projects. lmfao
Looks more like a SU57 than a F22 from the back... so seems only LO from the front?
Bud, look how the Su-57 looks from below. Few fighters look that bad up close. Veeery few
@@KaloyanKasabovAre you referring to the prototype that was at Zhuhai?
@@voidtempering8700 must be sad for you that theyre remaining prototypes as far as production goes lol
@d3adlyz3bra Its not like they are used. Serial production only really ramped up in 2022. Prototypes are still sent to the airshows because they don't want to send any production aircraft.
None of the non-US stealth fighters have stealthy rear aspect design features.
Sorry, but you are terribly ill informed about the design of the (Soviet) hovering fighter jets method of thrust vectoring. Both Soviet designs relied on vectoring (the latest that never entered mainline service) use e
Very hot engine exhaust that is roughly more similar to the Harrier. The downside of those designs are damage to the flight deck, greater safety hazard fo deck crea, and most importantly hot air being sucked into engine intake, dramatically reducing power when you need it the most. The F-35B uses a clutched lift fan that avoids those issues..
Sure looks like an f22 but then again there is a Cadillac that looks like a roll Royce but isn't
Candilac ❌ Lamborghini ✅
Having worked in and with Turkey military for years nothing is what it appears
can you say more please ?
How?
I love Simon's thoughtful, accurate and well informed analyses on geopolitical and military topics... his videos are a pleasure to watch
He reads a script written by someone else.
it will just be another 4.5th gen. Turkey doesn't have advance windtunnel and also stealth tech.
Araştır istersen 😅
Actually they have it.
They contstructed windtunnel before kaan
F35 program cost the US over a trillion dollars. Turkey was part of that program too. Now with the 1/20th of that budget they are producing a more sophisticated aviation industry, a 5th Gen capable fighter Jet and also will procure around 120 of them. All thanks to Us and their embargos since 1974.
As God as my witness,
I thought Turkies couldn't fly.🦃
Hence the need for aircraft no?
evolution, biatch :P
Wild ones can fly up to around 1/4 of a mile, apparently, but they evolved towards walking and foraging.
I know average american don’t know even to his country on the World map.
@@oxcart4172 sen faşist ve aptalsın..ANNENE SELAM...
There is a larger bridge to span. It's detecting these planes. The US has had decades of experience learning to image these. Especially planes without tail fins. China is the only country I am aware of that even has a prototype of a tailless plane. No doubt, China isn't playing around, but the B2 has been operated for around 30 years. This world needs a Dune style Great Convention. For the non-readers out there that is an agreement that if anyone uses nuclear weapons to unalive humans then every other nuclear armed country joins to destroy the problem. Talk about MAD?
Err.. I guess you missed Turkish ANKA-3 drone, which is flying wing type.
Actually it is more of a stealth deep strike unmanned plane, than a more traditional drone like TB-2.
@lonelywolf1480 I did not TBH. Thank you for expanding my understanding. I would say that a drone is a bit different than a nuclear capable bomber in response, though.
You don't have any information about THK-13, do you?
Unlike the WESTERN arms industry, Türkiye makes its weapons first to fight! Selling is always secondary! This is the difference between us!
Turkey coming strong , arabs and some european country prepare yourself
lol paper jet isn’t gonna stop anyone. Turkish economy is down the drain.
Right out of the gate it’s not stealth when the engines are sticking out the back. Nice try but no
Japan’s joining us. Britain. 🇬🇧 in our 6th gen fighter wtf is this guy lol
He said that
Ill answer. It isnt good.
Video touches all probabilities about KAAN aircraft consumers around the world. Is the US allowing turkey to become another ( competitor WW2 Japan) in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea?....maybe Turkey 🇹🇷 has F-35 aircraft's....
US allowing Turkiye?
What a smartass expression is that!
Learn some fact before you say something on a subject
First of all,US has no business in Blacksea, access to which (for large warships) is totally under Turkish control via Istanbul and Dardanelles straits. And if it is war times, like the Ukraine war right now, Turkiye has the right and does not allow any country (those not have coast on Black sea) to send any military ships to Blacksea. Therefore, western NATO countries do not have any warships in Blacksea right now.
Also Turkiye does not need any permissions from anybody, including US, to develop and market products around the world, including military gear.
The caan't
If you have allies like the US (government), you don't need enemies
You said on an American website, in English, using an American processor running an American operating system, on the American made internet.
Don't get me wrong others eventually jumped on but TCP/IP, DNS, NAT all American inventions. We also invented nuclear power, the mRNA vaccine although our allies the French invented CRISPR which is how we made it.
The US Government sends more foreign aid out (peace only, not even including defense aid) then every other nation in the world combined. We even feed the people in the DPRK although Kims regime tends to take that food, sale it for live stock feed, and give that to their people to make it "stretch" so they can skim off for their WMD research.
What has your country done recently? (We also invented the Integrated Circuit, and we taught the USSR how to build engines back in the day)
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket That's why I specifically put the American "government" in parentheses. to keep the actions of governments separate from that nation.
By the way, with all my respect, I think there is no point in what you wrote in the rest. Frankly, such simple competitions are quite childish. Also, I have never witnessed an American expressing gratitude to the Chinese, who invented gunpowder, for Vietnam war, the Middle East invasions, or the Gaza genocide sponsored by the US with its bombs.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket yes your country strong and advanced. That is not the case. But you are not angel like you said. American ignorance is real. You know nothing about the world except what you are told by your media. You are supporting terorist organisations (PKK) in Turkey. And you destroyed middle east. Before you came middle east, there was piece. Your country (and israel) killed millions of civilian in middle east. You are the most evil country right now. You killed all that people for just oil. And you are telling democracy stories (even you dont have it).
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Unless he sent the message using an ARM CPU which is British.
Your videos are a true art! Every time you surprise me with the quality and depth of your content.🏹🗻⚾️
Interesting Video, but it would be nice putting it on the very beginning that it's all about expectations...so I went up to ~ Time 11:00 to get this information.
Until this point I was wondering why Turkey is still so desperate getting its hands on Eurofighter Jets.
Turkey still needs 40 Eurofighters and even more F16 Vipers (I don't know the exact number they ordered from the US) until KAAN is fully operational in big numbers in the air forces. Actually they plan a new concept with KAAN as it will act as command center while flying with autonomous drones such as ANKA 3 and Kizilelma in the air and while being supported by unmanned ground and naval systems.
If you can retrofit an F-15 to be superior to an f-35, is there really any other Gen 5 fighter other than the f-22?
Other than electromagnetic and and thermal stealth, it possesses all the characteristics of a 5th generation fighter, in my opinion.
Imagine if the F135 engine was adapted for the F-15. And I didn't even mention that there was a stealth prototype, the F-15 Silent Eagle.
Superior in what? Maneuverability?
@@mike-0451 an F15 isnt nowhere as maneuverable as an F35. The F35 is a racecar, the F15 is a racecar and a cargo truck. It has enough firepower to level cities.
It’s only superior in dogfight maneuvering but an f35 will be unrecognizable to the modernized f15s radar systems, AND will be outranked by missiles by an order of several kilometers. In no realistic engagement could the top line f15 take down an f35
There's KAAN now
all the 5th gen fighters are basically missile taxis, with the exception SU--57 and possibly the Kaan. The J20 will neither be a great stealth aircraft nor a good close in combat jet so its going to be almost exclusively a missile taxi unless the Chinese are going to mass produce them is stupid numbers to counteract losses.
The SU--57 was primarily designed to be the best close combat aircraft in the world (and I don't think even our American friends could deny that it is) and the stealth came as a bonus. The Kaan is born of necessity. The US would not sell F35 or F22's to Türkiye so they decided to build a multirole aircraft with stealth capabilities. Its unlikely that it will be close to the top in ranking for stealth, but being that it was designed to do more than deliver long-range missiles that is probably a fair compromise.
The problem with the F35 and F22's is although they are awesome jets, their cost is way too high and the time it takes to build them is way to long. If the US wants to take on China and possibly Russia there will be losses. Then the question becomes what do you need most? replacement fighters quicker than you lose them, or less costly and maybe less refined aircraft that you can produce as quickly as you lose them. If the Chinese or Russians develop radar or remote sensing systems that can detect stealth aircraft then all the compromises made to make the F35 and F22 the best stealth aircraft possible are likely to bite the US very hard in the ar$E.
A F35 costs nearly three time the cost of a SU-57, requires 4 times the maintenance hours, and takes more than two times (nearly three) longer to build. In a protracted war the SU-57 makes far more sense. The Russians could lose at 2:1 ratios to the US and yet still be ahead a year down the line if the F35 is basically being used as a missile taxi, but if it comes to close in combat its more likely to be evens. I cant see any war between the US and China or Russia being a short one unless nukes are used.
The F35 design is a extremely effective aircraft that will allow it to get to a launch position with a very significant chance of not being detected before launching its missiles, but once it launches its going to be lit up like a Christmas tree on any opponents radar and if I was a F35 pilot I would be praying there are no SU-57's or J20's and potentially Kaans close by. I think the J20 will be more than capable of taking on a F35 in a dogfight or at closer ranges but lose abysmaly to a F22. Given that the F35's will use long range weapons unless there is absolutely no other choice. That will make hitting ground targets far more expensive for the US and its questionable that the US can produce those long--range missiles in sufficient numbers and fast enough in a protracted war.
So the bottom line really is making a 5th gen full stealth fighter going to be cost effective or the right aircraft for a protracted war? The alternative of course is the US continue making war on countries that are far far weaker as they have been for the last 30 years, in which case do they really need the F35 or F22?
19:13 “Unprovoked”
“Join Nato”
Every 5th gen fighter eventually evolves into F-22
Not really. It is a cost saving issue. The Us doesn't have 38 trillion dollars of debt for no reason. All other countries are just smart enough to not to try to re-invent the weel and use the money for better purposes like free or cheap quality health care, education, pension programs etc. lol
Almost didn't click cause it didn't have your face.
Looks like a fake f22