@@idontusecolgate kaido is not gonna put everyone on his list he only gave five examples he admit inferiority to joy boy and joy boy is not even on his list ,he know shiki and he is not there kaido gave 5 example snd not everyone who could challenge him thats all .
I saw it and was confused because I remember in the anime, it was Shanks there, so I went and looked for the manga panel just to realize that it was indeed Shanks, so I came here to verify if anyone else noticed. I'm not sure why Mihawk wasn't included. maybe because he doesn't have Conqueror's Haki.
In my opinion, Zoro is like 1 big step away from being able to fully contend with Admirals and Yonko in a 1v1. Which kinda makes sense, since we have just entered the final saga. So he will have to be on the level of a Yonko soon. Right now he is in that in-between tier, where he is clearly even above most top commanders and at a level where the top tiers need to watch their backs against Zoro, because he can be devastating and extremely effective. But he can't outright defeat them in a 1v1 scenario. Law is kinda in the same boat.
Fuck no… he’s like 2 Big steps away. Any yc1 level commander including Sanji are a mid-high diff fight for him. Admirals and yonko would low-no diff their commanders. Let me tell you who IS one step away. Law & Kid are 1 step away. They gave the offense of a top tier but lack just one factor that keeps them from being a top tier. They are halfway through the door. Many people say they don’t deserve their bounties, I think they do, luffy just deserves a slightly higher one like 3.5B. Law & Kid being slept on is a different conversation tho. Zoro lacks more of what law and kid need to become a top tier
@@ceerodadon2566 I think Zoro is in the same boat Law and Kidd. Zoro even before learning how to use ACoC already had great feats against the Yonko. Like scaring Big Mom and Kaido with Flying Dragon Blaze, blocking Hakai for a couple of seconds(which is insane) and breaking 30 bones, but then proceeding to scar Hybrid Kaido. And that was a Zoro who didn't even use ACoC. Before King of Hell. And when he did learn ACoC he proceeded to defeat King, the first mate of Kaido with relative ease. The difference is that we didn't get to see KOH Zoro go up against a Yonko, meanwhile we saw Awakened Law and Kidd go up against a Yonko. But if a pre-KOH Zoro could already be that impressive against the Yonko, then I think KOH Zoro would just as good as Awakened Law and Kidd where against a Yonko. I have them in the same tier. And that is the tier that sits above the 1st Commanders and the top tiers(Admirals and Yonko). It's the final saga. Zoro being 1 step away from being able to seriously contend with a top tier in a 1v1 isn't far off.
@@nikjovan4816 the only significant thing zoro really did in general was hold a a combined yonko attack for a split second which Kid himself was ready for and would’ve probably taken less damage considering he has both relative durability & endurance + Metal constructs to cushion/ mitigate the attack for longer before it actually makes contact, let alone get teleported away. That scar shit that he did on kaido was amazing for his level because not many unlock advanced conquerors at that level. But keep in mind that not only did Zoro use his absolute strongest attack/ form, because of it, Enma drew out every last bit of his haki & That when kaido realized he was a conquerors user, after being cut. This implies that Zoro was unintentionally using advanced conquerors even if it was just the smallest ammount of it. But what’s funny about it tho, is that the scar did minimal damage, a scar is a scar, but it’s expected for someone who has advanced haki & MORE. The scar barely cut through his skin & it completely did nothing to kaido in the grand scheme of things. So I knocked that out of the way to point out that king does NOT have better durability then a hybrid kaido. He has tougher skin but he’s an eggshell. Any ability that can get to his insides or overcome that toughness, is doing damage. Sanji would even knick at kings health with combos and eventually win, not even eventuallly, at the same pace as Zoro. Kaido even gave a bigger reaction to laws ability than Zoro’s. He called law a problem. Kid didn’t even get to land much, but we know blunt damage is bad on kaido. Now let’s look at big mom, who if we are talking about durability and amps for durability, she was probably the MOST durable in the raid. Amped, covered in advanced haki & naturally being “impossible to damage” if you’re not a top tier, she’s naturally built different. The difference is Kaido’s skins counter is blades, he’s also kinda like an eggshell except Astronomically tougher in his insides. Big mom is tough all around & has the best amps in totality. An EXHAUSTED Law & Kid , who weren’t use to their awakenings that they HELD back on the roof top, are facing against a recovering, AMPED, Big mom who was covered in advanced conquerors. And some people say they may have not traditionally beat her, but they put the fucking BEATS on her. But what I wanna specifically talk about is the awakenings. It could not be suppressed nor stopped by big mom and her haki & someone of her stature was barely even muscling through kids awakening, she was getting thrashed. For law there was just no answer to it it does internal. For someone who uses BLUNT damage, Kid was thrashing big mom & crushing her which causes internal damage and brute damage. kids Force is that of top tiers, raw power, but that damned punk is what I want to get at. Who knows what that would do to someone without haki defense & tough skin. It would’ve arguably did more damage to kaido than it did big mom, and big mom had to sap souls and reinforce her haki to cushion it. But we seen what it did when it first landed. There’s a reason why shanks was so bugged at it, not just because it destroyed his fleet, if kid let it off there was nothing shanks could’ve done to stop or deflect, or overpower it. He could’ve theoretically gotten obliterated. Of course shanks is noticeably stronger in totality, but Kidd defeat was situational. Shanks saw a future where he could’ve lost. Kid just has the same base stats if not slightly superior to Zoro, with much better firepower Law, don’t get me started on law, He’s deceptively physically underrated, amazing endurance, pretty good durability. His fruit allows him to transcend travel speed, and kaido has never reacted to his teleportation. He can create barriers, trancend space inside his room, but again his most broken ability is his absolute durability negation. Durability is out the window unless your tough in the inside like kaido. And even still it’s gonna do some damage regardless. We also see how quick he’s able to switch between awakenings after wano. He has massively better versatility, and Unavoidable damage when connected, most of the time he can connect it. Kroom is just Braindead. With that being said I’m not tryna say Zoro is weak, law and kid are just on another level under inspection. He IS devastating, but law and kid are overall even more devastating. Like I said, Law and kid are 1 FOOT in the door of top tiers, oda didn’t give them the advanced haki or whatever because they are already this powerful without it. But when they do get it, they are top tiers. As a duo, law & Kid can beat most yonko with absolute certainty unless they have tough skin. Luffy would loose cause of time limit and overall versatility & power. shanks is loosing because he’d get overwhelmed by laws versatility and potency,& Kids raw power & firepower combined, Mihawk is loosing for that same reason.
Are we not talking about Big Mum casually catching hybrid Marko when discussing her speed? And you can't convince me otherwise, the Big Mum that fought Kid and Law was just as fast as one that cought hybrid Marko, it's just that this 2 dudes are that fast. Also, speedblitzing Prometeus or any of her homies doesn't equal speedblitzing Big Mum, she and her homies don't share stats or even reaction speed.
Most of the people in these comments didn’t even watch the video 🤦🏾♂️ he said Zoro would eventually lose, but comparing them isn’t a ridiculous argument. Great analysis bro
Zoro needs better stamina and mastery over Enma to be capable of taking down Big Mom. Until then, she beats him with nothing less than high diff, saying she can mid-diff post-Wano Zoro is baseless and unsupported by feats or portrayal. I also don't see him pushing her to the extreme. He is stronger than Law or Kidd individually, but he lacks Law and Kidd's hax or combined overall firepower, and he doesn't have their 2 vs 1 advantage. By the way, Zoro would also push current Blackbeard to high diff. People who can potentially mid-diff (or less) current Zoro are Luffy, Kaido, Mihawk, Shanks, and the three original admirals.
@@naelreda8537 mid diff him yes laser canon misery the plasma sword I forgot the name are all beating zoro and her homies gaurd her without law moving them away or actually putting them down which he only can with his fruit no one 1v1 big mom but admirals and yonkod
@@robinn384 her most potent attack is probably laser canon since lasers are portrayed as being unblockable in the one-piece manga, but I think she would work her ass to land a clean hit on Zoro. She may try to tag and weaken Zoro using her lightning range, then attack him with a laser beam or plasma sword while he is still on the ground. She can mid-diff Zoro if she plays it smart, but Zoro would also land some of his strong attacks, seeing how she rarely evades any attack. And that would do some good damage, so mid-high diff is a good estimation for this match difficulty. (If you are interested in Laser's hype in the Manag) 1- Zoro stated that King's attack (the one he pulled his head to trigger, forget the name, LOL) is laser beam-like and can't possibly be blocked, only evaded. 2- Also, Vegapunk stated that Franky's laser beam was going to harm the Luranian seraphim and that they were still not ready for laser tests. 3- BM was terrified when Franky was going to attack her with his laser beam attack, and she tried helplessly to defend herself with some biscuit, LOL. 4- Franky's laser beam easily destroyed a door made with the same substance that blocked WB's Gura attack back in Punk Hazard, and Cezar stated that this door should be Indestructible..etc.
I’m ngl I thought we lost you to the dark side for a second 😂 even if you still gave Zoro some credit he doesn’t deserve like the flame on King comparison. Also 1:47 👀
@kingrippzard2027 That statement was directed towards 3 people where 2 of them didn’t have Acoc. Zoro wasn’t just talking with Luffy. There's absolutely no reason for Oda to portray King being scared of Acoc attacks if it really didn’t do any damage. Haki transcends all. Kid also said there's not a single thing in the world that is completely immune to damage. You can't just ignore all these implications.
@@Dracule18 it doesn’t matter, the fact he told Luffy this at all means it’s true otherwise he would have said: Hey Lucci and Kaku you can’t hurt them with their flames on, Luffy you can though if you use ACOC”. And Luffy isn’t like Zoro, he can use it casually. Your argument makes no sense. I’m ignoring implications? So you also just gonna ignore the two statements from Zoro in the King fight suggesting he can’t hurt flame on King? ACOC being able to bypass the flames is something this fandom made up to try and nerf Lunarians. “Haki transcends all” is not an argument bro. Hell Zoros statement “suggesting” he can is far more easily interpreted as trash talk rather than proof unlike him straight up saying you can’t hurt them. Time after time it’s shown that you can’t hurt these dudes while their flames are on. Respectfully, cope harder.
@@kingrippzard2027 "Hey Lucci and Kaku you can't hurt them with their flames on, Luffy you can though if you use Acoc" You can make up these "would've said" statements out of your @$$ all you want. Oda doesn’t need to go into details that much. Zoro's statement was directed towards 3 people and he simply didn’t bother clarifying things by going into details cause he still wasn’t sure if Acoc could truly bypass their durability cause he "never got the chance" to land an Acoc attack on flames on King. Instead of using Zoro who had doubts, let's use an actual lunarian King who knows the limits of the flames. After Zoro unlocked Acoc, King flat out said "I now see the threat you represent" and started blocking Zoro's attacks which VERY CLEARLY shows that he acknowledged that Zoro could bypass his durability. The neologists need to create a whole new word to define your reading comprehension if you don't get what Oda is trying to tell us in here. Otherwise, what was even the point of Zoro's powerup? What was even the point of making King afraid of Zoro's attacks? "So you also just gonna ignore the two statements from Zoro in the King fight which suggests he cannot harm flame on King" Are you referring to when Zoro said, "He's fast, in other words, I can cut him"? If so, then this doesn’t work cause this was before Zoro noticed that King was scared of his attacks. A few seconds later, Zoro attacked King who was blocking him. Then Zoro said, "why are you blocking my attacks, I thought they wouldn’t hurt you. Are you scared of my attacks now?" So yea, whatever statements you are referring to gets contradicted by Zoro later on. Trash talk? Zoro didn't say anything ridiculous or impossible for you to consider that a trash talk. Not only that, King also didn’t try to contradict Zoro, but rather seemed insecure hearing that which further implies that Zoro was right. Before Zoro got Acoc, King gave him a free hit. Why did he never do it after Zoro got Acoc, even when Zoro was literally pestering him about his durability? If you think it was just trash talk, then that was a trash talk through which Oda was indicating that Zoro had achieved the power to finally bypass this troublesome durability, not just a random@$$ trash talk we typically see. Haki transcends all is relevant here cause if Haki cannot bypass lunarian durability, nothing in the verse can. Thus, the seraphims can just slaughter the entire verse. "Time and time it's been shown you can't hurt these dudes while their flames are on" King himself acknowledged against Zoro that he could be damaged regardless of his flames. If he was truly invincible, he would've never gotten scared of Zoro's attacks to begin with. So your argument is flawed. If Oda really wanted us to know that Acoc can't harm lunarians, he would've made Luffy use it against the seraphims and make it ineffective.
1. Big Mom only lost due to outside means (a nuke) and still had them win high diff. Zoro is not comparable to BOTH Law and Kid 2. Kaido and Big Mom weren’t fighting seriously. They’re strong people who let out their feelings through action. This is why when they stopped fighting they were friends again Bad troll or bad analysis
how can you prove zoro isnt comparable to law and kidd? zoro on the rooftop has shown just as much, if not more endurance and feats on the rooftop than law and kidd. this zoro was before KoH too, if u wanna say hes not comparable to law than that’s understandable but for kidd u can argue that sanji can be over kidd. law and kidd and even kaido were all impressed by zoros strength from the rooftop. big mom so far hasnt shown the durability that could tank an attack from KoH zoro or ashura zoro and zoro scaling wise is MUCH faster than big mom. so he would be able to dodge most of big moms attacks even in her soul amp stage
Most of the times im with you, but no Zoro would not win this yet. But weird power scaling shown by Oda recently. It also would have been better if Ruffy in G5 wouldnt have such an easy time against Kaido. He still should be slightly weaker than any of the yonkos. Would have been much better for the upcoming story development.
I see that Mihawk sneak at 1:40. Love it 😂. Blackbeard, Mihawk, Shanks, Dragon and Akainu. Those are the true top tiers. Not Kaido where people on Land, Sea or Air will always find an excuse on why he lost to Luffy. Btw I'm happy you didn't give it to Zoro. ACoC Big Mom or not. Btw Kaido a GOAT. So chill.
The thing is realistically Zoro won't beat big mom because she's a Yonko in the verse, even though she doesn't show it much in the fight she's still really strong and it just wouldn't make sense for the second hand to beat a Yonko. Like let's say Zoro didn't have a time limit with Enma he would still have to lose because the plot just wouldn't make sense anymore and it sort of downplays the Yonko because they were claimed to be the strongest or most feared in the era that they are in.
Ehh I'll bite, i still think big mom wins more times than not. something that i feel doesn't get brought up enough is "effort". When we say things like "zoro blocked the sovereignty for a few seconds" "zoro scarred kaido" "zoro reacted to full speed king". Zoro only could do those things by applying ungodly amounts of effort each time, essentially shredding through his stamina pool, so there exist 2 zoros, a zoro who has incredible ammounts of stamina and endurance, but that is a great deal inferior to big mom, and then a zoro who can be comparable to big mom and kaido but can only unleash and receive a combined total of 3-4 attacks before falling. Big moms "yonko level" durability is a passive, and i dont think zoro can output enough attacks to damage her significantly before he runs out of juice
great way of putting it, a character can only push themselves to fight at their absolute peak for so long and once they reach their limit it's only downhill from there
The Big Mom slander is insane. The only reason why we don't see Big mom use haki is clearly thematic and should have anything to do with powerscaling. Kaido heavily relied on haki, Oda was just showing two different ways to achieve peak power in One Piece. Big mom also showed the most insane durability in the series, there is an argument to be made that old age affects her ability to use Haki and conqueror's especially as we've seen WB struggle with it, but he was also affected by some illness so that's debatable. Either way Zoro shows no speed feat to rival big mom (marco blitzed king, big mom easily caught him), no durability feat to tank any of her attacks (he was on death's door after tanking one named attack from her and kaido. And we would have to be very generous to assume that his strongest attacks, that could barely hurt Kaido, can even seriously injure her, let alone the fact that she's clearly shown to be able to endure a top tier fight for much longer than Zoro could ever hope to last in his current state. It's just insane to put Zoro up there with these top tiers when he extreme diffs King can barely handle Lucci.
I swear ppl just look at fights and use half ass reasonings instead of looking at everything given in the story idk how this video even got a vid big mom violets
The problem with Big mom is inconsistency. She tells kaido to dodge before he realizes that the attack would be dangerous. Yet she never applies this battle IQ to her own final battle. Big mom catches up to a speeding Sanji in whole cake on foot. Sanji is a speed monster ,yet never quite applies that to her battle. That's why portrayal has been frustrating.
Big mom ?? The same who one shot queen ?? The same one clashing with kaido ??? Just cause zoro can hurt big mom don’t mean he beats her, big mom told kaido to dodge which means if she was fighting zoro he would dodge, zoro beast attack doesn’t finish her. Her best attack kills zoro
Trying to downscale Big Mum's durability to not that insane since Kid's metal was hurting her is downright horrendous. Base Big Mum straight up tanks Brooke's sword with zero difficulty, tanks her own mega thunderbolt in whole cake and a mile long fall. It is much more reasonable just to say Kid was suing haki on his fruit like Law and Doflamingo. Queen with his full zoan form and haki couldn't break Big Mum's skin yet we are going to try and say that Kid's scrap metal with no haki can break her arm? Oda is just hella inconsistent with his haki coloring and considering Kid and Law both talk about haki, can sense others using and know all about it, I find it incredibly hard to comprehend that they somehow are novices at it when gear 4 whole cake couldn't even faze Big Mum.
What stamina issue?? Is this issue present? Has it stopped him from fighting anyone or finishing the fight… If not then there is no legitimate issue. Wish people would stop with this broken record take.
I SEEN MIHAWK IN THAT KAIDO TOP 5 PANEL YOU AINT SLICK😭. Finishing the vid now had to comment that 😭 okay so u might have been spitting on this one fr. I don’t necessarily agree about the dif versions of big mom for this fight but it’s whatver tbh. I 10000% think big mom was nerfed to helll in the law an kid fight. Not using coating, letting them jus slap her wit attacks over an over. Then she uses up her lifespan just for law an kid to pull out bs awakening that they just had in their pockets to “win”. I think I can agree wit ur conclusion tho big mom wins by outlasting Zoro which I think she could do if he doesn’t bust out Ashura an clap her ass. In hindsight thinking about the scar on Kaido while damn near dying, current zoro might just slice an dice Big mom fr fr. I don’t wanna sleep on Big mum but damn. Good vid mane💪🏾
00:15 most fights are mid diffs if you only count the last couple pages. I kind of agree with the vid as a whole, though. Big Mom's scaling is all over the place. She knocked out Queen in 3 hits without Haki, but then couldn't get Law off her even with haki. Zoro would probably Beat the Big Mom that fought Kid and Law, but I don't that that's saying very much.
Zoro could at the vero least give her a very good fight, keep her occupied and leave her damaged enough where a weaker character could take her out after the fight.
The arguments you made about Kaido vs Big Mom is just an example of inconsistent feats and portrayal in One Piece. Happens all the time. At MF Blackbeard didn’t give a fuck about Garp AND Sengoku yet he runs away from Akainu solo afterwards. Hopefully no one is insane enough to think Akainu wins a 2v1 even if you think he beats Garp 1v1. But it gets better as post time skip where he’s much much stronger he runs away from Rayleigh solo who should rank below Garp. Which is even evident when you look at Rayleigh’s performance against Kizaru vs his against Aokiji. A cut on the cheek vs speed blitzing and rag dolling Logically there’s no reason Kaido and Big Mom would have stayed in base the entire fight making no ground against each other. And let’s just say they did. We have no way of saying 2 characters who are equal while holding back wouldn’t still be equal going all out. Kaido doesn’t have any feats proving he’s much stronger he just has slightly better portrayal. With how the narrative is presented it wouldn’t make sense if Kaido was significantly stronger Also the real reason Big Mom wasn’t in his top 5 is because those 5 are suppose to be the strongest characters (supposedly again there’s some contradictions with Shanks and Oden being there when prime Garp and Shiki are not) if Big Mom was there it would imply she’s a rival to Roger etc
Advanced conquers is single handledly the fucking worst ability yet the sickest at the same time. I’m kinda sad it just ended up as a better ryou though
Fight starts and base big mom is too much. base Zoro got swatted by King hybrid so his base would get smacked back to the ease blue. Zoro uses big attacks from enma like the one he told Kaido to dodge and slashes big mom down the stomach. Big mom eyes widen and she cries out realizing she underestimated Zoro and simply regens. Big mom lets loose like she did against Kaido with conqueror haki coating and knocks down Zoro eyes might go white for a split second. Zoro puts on bandana and goes conqueror haki berserk and big mom goes bigger mom mode LOL amping herself with souls sensing the danger from Zoro's sttacks, big mom matches Zoro's speed but Zoro's swordplay and speed amps is faster and big mom cannot counter all of Zoro's attacks taking some one damage. Big mom has surface slashes and Zoro is almost close to done. Zoro uses the final attack he used on King and big mom simply negs the attack with her own conqueror haki and physical strenght. Zoro is done burned out on the ground and big mom simply regens going back to full strenght. Big mom releases a ikoku sovereingty and finishes the job mid dif.
@parmar__12 ikoku sovereignty matches kaido, do u think zoro can take a direct attack like that to his body ur delusional that's a neg to low dif and she coats it with conquerors Zoro is our cold
@@parmar__12 yeah sure thats why they were able to equally contribute to ocean sovereingty. Kid didn't get the full on attack it busted through his metal and blew him away. Not even Shanks is taking a full on ikoku sovereingty unguarded. You're saying Zoro gassed out on the ground can survive a full powered ikoku soreignty lol
Zoro had a high dif fight against King, he’s not touching Big Mom if she’s serious. Zoro has nothing to match the raw force of Kid’s Magnetism or the raw AP of Law’s awakening that can match Whitebeard’s quakes and v shatter Big Mom’s bones He also doesn’t have the speed scaling. King who’s faster than Zoro was getting matched or slightly outpaced by Marco. Big Mom blitzed Marco extremely casually, and has amped forms on top of that
Zoro Mid Diffed King. stop that. Zoro’s touching Big Mom extremely easy. Zoro’s raw force and AP is definitely superior them individually. Whitebeard Quakes and Blackbeard Quakes are completely since they require the strength of the user. That King who’s you said was “faster than Zoro” literally got blitzed by Zoro. Multiple times actually. The King that was fighting Marco was holding back since we clearly see him go all out against Zoro. Marco who got blitzed by Big Mom is inferior to Kaido who Zoro outpaced. The only I see Big Mom closing the gap if she amps here self which is unlikely.
She never lost 1v1, still a top tier, and fought kaido for 3 whole days, witch is a better feat than any Blackbeard feat and Blackbeard couldn't beat law without his crew helping him and got punked by a seraphim Big mom > Blackbeard
The combined Big Mom & Kaido attack is one of the most overrated in the series IMO. Kaido clearly wasn't Going all out at that point, and Big Mom was either not trying or in Big Meme mode. Even in the generous interpretation that Big Mom's attack was just as strong as Kaido's, that means the final result is about twice as strong as a mid-tier attack from a Kaido that's holding back. Kaido obviously got a lot more than than twice as strong once he started going all out, which I think is when he started Drinking. Every single attack that Kaido and Luffy Used during the G5 round, and most of the attacks during the round before, are stronger that The Duel Sovereignty attack. Current Egghead Zoro with ACoC should be able to block that attack with only moderate damage. I'm not saying that Zoro is close to Kaido in strength yet, just that Rooftop Kaido was holding back a LOT.
Bm might have lost the ability to wield acoc Also I think the fight comes down to if there’s fodders nearby that big mom can use to recharge. It would be a refresher and power boost, and combined with zoro not completely mastering enma, would definitely let her win. If it’s just the two of them I got zoro.
Haven’t fully watch the video but I wanna say this. Zoro got ACoC and took 0 hits and beat a lunarian with a ancient ZOAN in 4 HITS. Slicing damage is more potent and we can at least say 6-10 hits would put big mom in the same position that kid and law had her. The attacks that landed in her that weren’t awakening weren’t even roof top zoro level such as cornidio and others. She can’t keep up speed wise, her attacks are non factors since zoro can cut, dodge, or tank them all. Only reason this is a conversation is because people say she’s a yonko and talk about who fought who. Big mom didn’t do anything as impressive as the other yonko so clearly strength by title isn’t everything. And zoro 4 shot the tankiest 1st commander while nerfed, under a time limit, and with a Ariel disadvantage. Make him fresh and he’s clearly 1-4 shotting all 1st commanders and is clearly on the level of admiral-yonko.
Nope not going to listen to anything in this video I'm just going to listen to the author of the story who created the narrative and power skill the characters. The narrative of the story tells us that Big Mom's power is relative to kaito's it also tells us that Big Mama's able to fight kaido for multiple days before they finally decided to form an alliance together The nerve of the story also showed us that zoro's absolute best and strongest technique managed to land a single scar on kaido putting him far below Big Mom did not watch this video Don't need to watch this video I'm out. 👋🏾 Also this is why the Zoro fans are the worst fans in the community You all put him up and unrealistic matching scaling him a lot higher than the person who created the character who clearly narratively right Zoro and Sanji to be relative to each other in power and skill
@@SuperiorI.Q it's true man it's true..... It would be more realistic or at least a closer matchup would be kid or law which even narratively Oda has written the both of them to be above Sanji and Zoro....Sanji is my favorite character in the series and I'm never going to tell you he is even close to an emperor or he's beating law and kid because it's unrealistic You lose credibility when you imply these things. Not saying that you are implying this just saying people in general.
I think you should always watch something you disagree with regardless. but I got a question okay so when it comes to showing a characters strength and sure narrative can tell us this but why not show it properly law and kid have shown some very mid haki feats besides some stuff that happens with law in the future and kid doesn’t do anything impressive besides his cannon while I know his fruit is strong how aim I suppose to believe he can beat Zoro when zoro cuts through some of the toughest things around so metals aren’t really hard to cut through for him I don’t see kid covering his awesome mechs like the bull or king punk or what ever in haki (last time I checked) wouldn’t zoro rather easily be able to cut it and I know he can cut it deep enough too with the pica feat so sure narrative can tell you how things are supposed to be but wouldn’t be the writers fault if characters aren’t shown in a way that makes since to the audience?
@@SasukeY2JItachi Zoro, Law and Kid are all supernovas, narratively Oda has written Zoro to be way above both of them (all time strongest swordsman, only supernova besides Luffy with acoc), Sanji is just a member of future pirate king crew (like Gaban or Jozu), he has no special clouts like Zoro (Ryuma, Mihawk, Shanks, Rayleigh, strongest title, black blade, acoc), narratively Oda put him on a pedestal for eos status.
Fat mom is the biggest joke of a top teir in the whole verse . Imagine a so called emperor losing to law and kidd and not being able to one shot chopper
Zoro doesnt beat her yet (I personally think he will surpass Kaido and big mom by the end of the series) but I think if he DOES get a lucky enough shot in he could put her down. And big mom wouldn't be leaving without some bumps and scratches. But Roanoa D goat will have to do some more training before he can beat Fraud mom
Kaido has better blunt resistance but Big Mom has better cutting resistance. And that is super relevant here. She has no scars. Nothing except Law's awakening and many many penises have penetrated this woman. It's weird how Kidd's metal beams don't get any credit, when Kaido himself uses what amounts to a metal beam as a weapon. It's clearly an effective tactic. I feel like people take their notions of how metal is supposed to act from other Shonen and apply it to One Piece. In One Piece, mass and density are respected much more than normal. I think this stems from Oda's love of robots. IRL a modest sized spool of steel sheet will roll you flat as a pancake. So Big Mom taking chip damage from iron beams makes sense.
@@parmar__12 Big Mom took just as much damage to take down, if not more. Big Mom could have kept fighting too, so we technically didn't see the full extent of her durability.
@@derrickmiles5240 big mom took damage from anything Meanwhile to hurt kaido people need dura neg or ryuo or acoc Man fell from skypiea on head and it gave him a small headache She's not comparable at all If she hadn't regeneration she would have lost like way too early in fight Meanwhile kaido fought who not and was still going on
@@derrickmiles5240 what fodders actually?? Half of samurais are jack level plus they use ryuo If Kidd is breaking her bones with metals than shanks is spanking her
I don’t think law and Kidd have stronger attack power than Zoro even combined. I think Zoro has higher AP than them combined. But they have greater DC.
That’s the dumbest thing possible to say when laws puncture willie feat is better then anything zoro got and kid just physically using his metal to hurt big mom
Naw way your ass thinks that Big Mom will die from a single injury She has durability comparable to Kaido's in base and also top tier endurance Not to mention that she out speeds marco who blitzed King
I doubt that she even used her strongest move here. Reminders that a person's strongest move in canon leaves them incapacitated momentarily. BM still has a lot of fight left after being pushed down by Law and Kidd.
Bajarang Gun, Stargun, Damned Punk, Puncture Willie, Flaming Drum, etc... left their users out of commision momentariliy due to their power. Big Mom never went that far.
if her power cut in half she like garp she probably used to be about as strong as as least hybrid kaido without acoc so sure why would zoro not be close
Hey I will just say one thing which might be a bigg nono statement Zoro has higher Endurance then Luffy. The attacks that would make luffy die or just out right pass out Zoro tanks and half dead stands still and has the balls to say nothing happend. Like Luffy is much more durable then Zoro like way more his body is made to soak in impact. You know where I am going with this. Luffy whose body is made of rubber passed out from fighting Kuma takes all that pain. Remember Luffy is much more durable then Zoro. Takes pain from much more durable Zoro who passed out to already beaten up Zoro. All that pain build up in few seconds no less and still he did not die. Then you could not tell me Luffy has higher Endurance then Zoro. He is stronger faster and more durable then Zoro but definitely not with Higher Endurance then Zoro. Like what is the feat that puts his Endurance above Zoro? Only time I have seen half dead like that is Marine ford after the battle with poison guy and needed drugs to continue moving. And at Wano the dude just passes away or dies then gets saved by plot armour. Yea I said it gear 5 is the ultimate plot armor. I am 100 percent sure the new awakening will be a plot armor fruit. Your character is dead his devil fruit awakened. Am I saying Zoro wins against Luffy nope. I am just saying Zoro has higher Endurance then Luffy.
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I had to bait the haters in the title 😂😂
Ngl u got me
Bro baited no one🐧
But your the hater superior .
bro yk full well shanks was on kaido's list not fraudhawk. also fire vid
@@idontusecolgate kaido is not gonna put everyone on his list he only gave five examples he admit inferiority to joy boy and joy boy is not even on his list ,he know shiki and he is not there kaido gave 5 example snd not everyone who could challenge him thats all .
The fact that people think Zoro can beat Big mom 1v1 no help is insane 😭
Facts!
Zoro cant even beat lucci quick and people think zoro beats big mom
Best zoro can do is one scar against a yonko that doesnt even knock them to the ground so yeah he aint beating Big mom
@@zaynali5588I’ve heard people say Lucci scales above Old WB 😭
@@JR-pu9bnI’d say current lucci is lucci tier, which I can only describe as mid
Bro snuck Mihawk in there at 1:37😂, i saw that with my Hawkeye 🦅
I saw it and was confused because I remember in the anime, it was Shanks there, so I went and looked for the manga panel just to realize that it was indeed Shanks, so I came here to verify if anyone else noticed. I'm not sure why Mihawk wasn't included. maybe because he doesn't have Conqueror's Haki.
@@YinC4because kaido never fought Mihawk
In my opinion, Zoro is like 1 big step away from being able to fully contend with Admirals and Yonko in a 1v1. Which kinda makes sense, since we have just entered the final saga. So he will have to be on the level of a Yonko soon. Right now he is in that in-between tier, where he is clearly even above most top commanders and at a level where the top tiers need to watch their backs against Zoro, because he can be devastating and extremely effective. But he can't outright defeat them in a 1v1 scenario. Law is kinda in the same boat.
Couldn’t have said it any better.
Fuck no… he’s like 2 Big steps away. Any yc1 level commander including Sanji are a mid-high diff fight for him. Admirals and yonko would low-no diff their commanders.
Let me tell you who IS one step away. Law & Kid are 1 step away. They gave the offense of a top tier but lack just one factor that keeps them from being a top tier. They are halfway through the door.
Many people say they don’t deserve their bounties, I think they do, luffy just deserves a slightly higher one like 3.5B. Law & Kid being slept on is a different conversation tho.
Zoro lacks more of what law and kid need to become a top tier
@@ceerodadon2566 I think Zoro is in the same boat Law and Kidd. Zoro even before learning how to use ACoC already had great feats against the Yonko. Like scaring Big Mom and Kaido with Flying Dragon Blaze, blocking Hakai for a couple of seconds(which is insane) and breaking 30 bones, but then proceeding to scar Hybrid Kaido. And that was a Zoro who didn't even use ACoC. Before King of Hell. And when he did learn ACoC he proceeded to defeat King, the first mate of Kaido with relative ease. The difference is that we didn't get to see KOH Zoro go up against a Yonko, meanwhile we saw Awakened Law and Kidd go up against a Yonko. But if a pre-KOH Zoro could already be that impressive against the Yonko, then I think KOH Zoro would just as good as Awakened Law and Kidd where against a Yonko. I have them in the same tier. And that is the tier that sits above the 1st Commanders and the top tiers(Admirals and Yonko). It's the final saga. Zoro being 1 step away from being able to seriously contend with a top tier in a 1v1 isn't far off.
@@nikjovan4816 the only significant thing zoro really did in general was hold a a combined yonko attack for a split second which Kid himself was ready for and would’ve probably taken less damage considering he has both relative durability & endurance + Metal constructs to cushion/ mitigate the attack for longer before it actually makes contact, let alone get teleported away.
That scar shit that he did on kaido was amazing for his level because not many unlock advanced conquerors at that level. But keep in mind that not only did Zoro use his absolute strongest attack/ form, because of it, Enma drew out every last bit of his haki & That when kaido realized he was a conquerors user, after being cut. This implies that Zoro was unintentionally using advanced conquerors even if it was just the smallest ammount of it.
But what’s funny about it tho, is that the scar did minimal damage, a scar is a scar, but it’s expected for someone who has advanced haki & MORE. The scar barely cut through his skin & it completely did nothing to kaido in the grand scheme of things.
So I knocked that out of the way to point out that king does NOT have better durability then a hybrid kaido. He has tougher skin but he’s an eggshell. Any ability that can get to his insides or overcome that toughness, is doing damage. Sanji would even knick at kings health with combos and eventually win, not even eventuallly, at the same pace as Zoro.
Kaido even gave a bigger reaction to laws ability than Zoro’s. He called law a problem. Kid didn’t even get to land much, but we know blunt damage is bad on kaido.
Now let’s look at big mom, who if we are talking about durability and amps for durability, she was probably the MOST durable in the raid. Amped, covered in advanced haki & naturally being “impossible to damage” if you’re not a top tier, she’s naturally built different. The difference is Kaido’s skins counter is blades, he’s also kinda like an eggshell except Astronomically tougher in his insides. Big mom is tough all around & has the best amps in totality.
An EXHAUSTED Law & Kid , who weren’t use to their awakenings that they HELD back on the roof top, are facing against a recovering, AMPED, Big mom who was covered in advanced conquerors. And some people say they may have not traditionally beat her, but they put the fucking BEATS on her.
But what I wanna specifically talk about is the awakenings. It could not be suppressed nor stopped by big mom and her haki & someone of her stature was barely even muscling through kids awakening, she was getting thrashed. For law there was just no answer to it it does internal. For someone who uses BLUNT damage, Kid was thrashing big mom & crushing her which causes internal damage and brute damage. kids Force is that of top tiers, raw power, but that damned punk is what I want to get at. Who knows what that would do to someone without haki defense & tough skin. It would’ve arguably did more damage to kaido than it did big mom, and big mom had to sap souls and reinforce her haki to cushion it. But we seen what it did when it first landed.
There’s a reason why shanks was so bugged at it, not just because it destroyed his fleet, if kid let it off there was nothing shanks could’ve done to stop or deflect, or overpower it. He could’ve theoretically gotten obliterated.
Of course shanks is noticeably stronger in totality, but Kidd defeat was situational. Shanks saw a future where he could’ve lost.
Kid just has the same base stats if not slightly superior to Zoro, with much better firepower
Law, don’t get me started on law, He’s deceptively physically underrated, amazing endurance, pretty good durability. His fruit allows him to transcend travel speed, and kaido has never reacted to his teleportation. He can create barriers, trancend space inside his room, but again his most broken ability is his absolute durability negation. Durability is out the window unless your tough in the inside like kaido. And even still it’s gonna do some damage regardless. We also see how quick he’s able to switch between awakenings after wano. He has massively better versatility, and Unavoidable damage when connected, most of the time he can connect it. Kroom is just Braindead.
With that being said I’m not tryna say Zoro is weak, law and kid are just on another level under inspection. He IS devastating, but law and kid are overall even more devastating.
Like I said, Law and kid are 1 FOOT in the door of top tiers, oda didn’t give them the advanced haki or whatever because they are already this powerful without it. But when they do get it, they are top tiers.
As a duo, law & Kid can beat most yonko with absolute certainty unless they have tough skin. Luffy would loose cause of time limit and overall versatility & power. shanks is loosing because he’d get overwhelmed by laws versatility and potency,& Kids raw power & firepower combined, Mihawk is loosing for that same reason.
One big step from 1v1 with admirals and an even bigger step from 1v1 yonkous
That kiado top 5 panel with mihwak is wild😂😂😂😂.
Are we not talking about Big Mum casually catching hybrid Marko when discussing her speed? And you can't convince me otherwise, the Big Mum that fought Kid and Law was just as fast as one that cought hybrid Marko, it's just that this 2 dudes are that fast. Also, speedblitzing Prometeus or any of her homies doesn't equal speedblitzing Big Mum, she and her homies don't share stats or even reaction speed.
She's good in close range but Zoro is better
Is hajrudin faster than dressrosa luffy since he caught him?
@@parmar__12she’s good in all range hee homies protect her that’s why they had to make a plan to get rid of them to even attack big mom on the roof
@@robinn384 her homies are fodder
Most of the people in these comments didn’t even watch the video 🤦🏾♂️ he said Zoro would eventually lose, but comparing them isn’t a ridiculous argument. Great analysis bro
“In a 1v1 against Top Tiers always bet against Big Meme” Unfortunately this doesn’t apply to Zoro hence why he loses🗣️💯
It apply to m'y goat Sanji 🗿
Could never happen to Goatkainu.
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch 🤝🗿
@@thememeguy2195 Preach Himkainu is the pinnacle of Top Tier🐧💯
@@thememeguy2195SPREAD THE WORD BROTHER 🗣🗣🔥🔥
Zoro needs better stamina and mastery over Enma to be capable of taking down Big Mom. Until then, she beats him with nothing less than high diff, saying she can mid-diff post-Wano Zoro is baseless and unsupported by feats or portrayal. I also don't see him pushing her to the extreme. He is stronger than Law or Kidd individually, but he lacks Law and Kidd's hax or combined overall firepower, and he doesn't have their 2 vs 1 advantage.
By the way, Zoro would also push current Blackbeard to high diff.
People who can potentially mid-diff (or less) current Zoro are Luffy, Kaido, Mihawk, Shanks, and the three original admirals.
this is how powerscaling should work, debating ap feats makes me want to throw myself off a cliff and we should all argue like you
Big mom has the portyal and fears what are you taking about😂
@@robinn384to low or mid diff Current Zoro? No, to defeat current Zoro? Yes.
@@naelreda8537 mid diff him yes laser canon misery the plasma sword I forgot the name are all beating zoro and her homies gaurd her without law moving them away or actually putting them down which he only can with his fruit no one 1v1 big mom but admirals and yonkod
@@robinn384 her most potent attack is probably laser canon since lasers are portrayed as being unblockable in the one-piece manga, but I think she would work her ass to land a clean hit on Zoro. She may try to tag and weaken Zoro using her lightning range, then attack him with a laser beam or plasma sword while he is still on the ground. She can mid-diff Zoro if she plays it smart, but Zoro would also land some of his strong attacks, seeing how she rarely evades any attack. And that would do some good damage, so mid-high diff is a good estimation for this match difficulty.
(If you are interested in Laser's hype in the Manag)
1- Zoro stated that King's attack (the one he pulled his head to trigger, forget the name, LOL) is laser beam-like and can't possibly be blocked, only evaded.
2- Also, Vegapunk stated that Franky's laser beam was going to harm the Luranian seraphim and that they were still not ready for laser tests.
3- BM was terrified when Franky was going to attack her with his laser beam attack, and she tried helplessly to defend herself with some biscuit, LOL.
4- Franky's laser beam easily destroyed a door made with the same substance that blocked WB's Gura attack back in Punk Hazard, and Cezar stated that this door should be Indestructible..etc.
I’m ngl I thought we lost you to the dark side for a second 😂 even if you still gave Zoro some credit he doesn’t deserve like the flame on King comparison.
Also 1:47 👀
Hey man king was scared it is what it is 😂🤭
@@SuperiorI.QZoro: Ayo we can’t damage these dudes 😂 but I see you. Just trying to let Zoro stand a chance 👌
@kingrippzard2027
That statement was directed towards 3 people where 2 of them didn’t have Acoc. Zoro wasn’t just talking with Luffy.
There's absolutely no reason for Oda to portray King being scared of Acoc attacks if it really didn’t do any damage. Haki transcends all. Kid also said there's not a single thing in the world that is completely immune to damage. You can't just ignore all these implications.
@@Dracule18 it doesn’t matter, the fact he told Luffy this at all means it’s true otherwise he would have said: Hey Lucci and Kaku you can’t hurt them with their flames on, Luffy you can though if you use ACOC”. And Luffy isn’t like Zoro, he can use it casually. Your argument makes no sense. I’m ignoring implications? So you also just gonna ignore the two statements from Zoro in the King fight suggesting he can’t hurt flame on King? ACOC being able to bypass the flames is something this fandom made up to try and nerf Lunarians. “Haki transcends all” is not an argument bro. Hell Zoros statement “suggesting” he can is far more easily interpreted as trash talk rather than proof unlike him straight up saying you can’t hurt them. Time after time it’s shown that you can’t hurt these dudes while their flames are on. Respectfully, cope harder.
@@kingrippzard2027
"Hey Lucci and Kaku you can't hurt them with their flames on, Luffy you can though if you use Acoc"
You can make up these "would've said" statements out of your @$$ all you want. Oda doesn’t need to go into details that much. Zoro's statement was directed towards 3 people and he simply didn’t bother clarifying things by going into details cause he still wasn’t sure if Acoc could truly bypass their durability cause he "never got the chance" to land an Acoc attack on flames on King. Instead of using Zoro who had doubts, let's use an actual lunarian King who knows the limits of the flames. After Zoro unlocked Acoc, King flat out said "I now see the threat you represent" and started blocking Zoro's attacks which VERY CLEARLY shows that he acknowledged that Zoro could bypass his durability. The neologists need to create a whole new word to define your reading comprehension if you don't get what Oda is trying to tell us in here. Otherwise, what was even the point of Zoro's powerup? What was even the point of making King afraid of Zoro's attacks?
"So you also just gonna ignore the two statements from Zoro in the King fight which suggests he cannot harm flame on King"
Are you referring to when Zoro said,
"He's fast, in other words, I can cut him"?
If so, then this doesn’t work cause this was before Zoro noticed that King was scared of his attacks. A few seconds later, Zoro attacked King who was blocking him. Then Zoro said, "why are you blocking my attacks, I thought they wouldn’t hurt you. Are you scared of my attacks now?"
So yea, whatever statements you are referring to gets contradicted by Zoro later on. Trash talk? Zoro didn't say anything ridiculous or impossible for you to consider that a trash talk. Not only that, King also didn’t try to contradict Zoro, but rather seemed insecure hearing that which further implies that Zoro was right. Before Zoro got Acoc, King gave him a free hit. Why did he never do it after Zoro got Acoc, even when Zoro was literally pestering him about his durability? If you think it was just trash talk, then that was a trash talk through which Oda was indicating that Zoro had achieved the power to finally bypass this troublesome durability, not just a random@$$ trash talk we typically see.
Haki transcends all is relevant here cause if Haki cannot bypass lunarian durability, nothing in the verse can. Thus, the seraphims can just slaughter the entire verse.
"Time and time it's been shown you can't hurt these dudes while their flames are on"
King himself acknowledged against Zoro that he could be damaged regardless of his flames. If he was truly invincible, he would've never gotten scared of Zoro's attacks to begin with. So your argument is flawed.
If Oda really wanted us to know that Acoc can't harm lunarians, he would've made Luffy use it against the seraphims and make it ineffective.
I fully agree with all the points you have made. Big mom is duval victim,even though that doesn't say much.
1. Big Mom only lost due to outside means (a nuke) and still had them win high diff. Zoro is not comparable to BOTH Law and Kid
2. Kaido and Big Mom weren’t fighting seriously. They’re strong people who let out their feelings through action. This is why when they stopped fighting they were friends again
Bad troll or bad analysis
W analysis wdym
Zoro> law > kidd
how can you prove zoro isnt comparable to law and kidd? zoro on the rooftop has shown just as much, if not more endurance and feats on the rooftop than law and kidd. this zoro was before KoH too, if u wanna say hes not comparable to law than that’s understandable but for kidd u can argue that sanji can be over kidd. law and kidd and even kaido were all impressed by zoros strength from the rooftop. big mom so far hasnt shown the durability that could tank an attack from KoH zoro or ashura zoro and zoro scaling wise is MUCH faster than big mom. so he would be able to dodge most of big moms attacks even in her soul amp stage
@@articaXO lol Zoro washes law too
@@parmar__12bro going extreme diff against lucci kid and law would one shot lucci 😂
Most of the times im with you, but no Zoro would not win this yet. But weird power scaling shown by Oda recently. It also would have been better if Ruffy in G5 wouldnt have such an easy time against Kaido. He still should be slightly weaker than any of the yonkos. Would have been much better for the upcoming story development.
Bro havent watch the vid, He said zoro loses.
what i love most about this agrgument is it also implies zoro can beat law and kidd in a 2v1
Which isn’t true 😂
Smooth brain video …
I see that Mihawk sneak at 1:40. Love it 😂. Blackbeard, Mihawk, Shanks, Dragon and Akainu. Those are the true top tiers. Not Kaido where people on Land, Sea or Air will always find an excuse on why he lost to Luffy. Btw I'm happy you didn't give it to Zoro. ACoC Big Mom or not.
Btw Kaido a GOAT. So chill.
7:27 dawg 😭 I think zoro wins but I fw your scaling cold video
bro changed shanks face with mihawks
The thing is realistically Zoro won't beat big mom because she's a Yonko in the verse, even though she doesn't show it much in the fight she's still really strong and it just wouldn't make sense for the second hand to beat a Yonko. Like let's say Zoro didn't have a time limit with Enma he would still have to lose because the plot just wouldn't make sense anymore and it sort of downplays the Yonko because they were claimed to be the strongest or most feared in the era that they are in.
Ehh I'll bite, i still think big mom wins more times than not. something that i feel doesn't get brought up enough is "effort". When we say things like "zoro blocked the sovereignty for a few seconds" "zoro scarred kaido" "zoro reacted to full speed king". Zoro only could do those things by applying ungodly amounts of effort each time, essentially shredding through his stamina pool, so there exist 2 zoros, a zoro who has incredible ammounts of stamina and endurance, but that is a great deal inferior to big mom, and then a zoro who can be comparable to big mom and kaido but can only unleash and receive a combined total of 3-4 attacks before falling. Big moms "yonko level" durability is a passive, and i dont think zoro can output enough attacks to damage her significantly before he runs out of juice
great way of putting it, a character can only push themselves to fight at their absolute peak for so long and once they reach their limit it's only downhill from there
The Big Mom slander is insane. The only reason why we don't see Big mom use haki is clearly thematic and should have anything to do with powerscaling. Kaido heavily relied on haki, Oda was just showing two different ways to achieve peak power in One Piece. Big mom also showed the most insane durability in the series, there is an argument to be made that old age affects her ability to use Haki and conqueror's especially as we've seen WB struggle with it, but he was also affected by some illness so that's debatable. Either way Zoro shows no speed feat to rival big mom (marco blitzed king, big mom easily caught him), no durability feat to tank any of her attacks (he was on death's door after tanking one named attack from her and kaido. And we would have to be very generous to assume that his strongest attacks, that could barely hurt Kaido, can even seriously injure her, let alone the fact that she's clearly shown to be able to endure a top tier fight for much longer than Zoro could ever hope to last in his current state. It's just insane to put Zoro up there with these top tiers when he extreme diffs King can barely handle Lucci.
I swear ppl just look at fights and use half ass reasonings instead of looking at everything given in the story idk how this video even got a vid big mom violets
The problem with Big mom is inconsistency. She tells kaido to dodge before he realizes that the attack would be dangerous. Yet she never applies this battle IQ to her own final battle.
Big mom catches up to a speeding Sanji in whole cake on foot. Sanji is a speed monster ,yet never quite applies that to her battle.
That's why portrayal has been frustrating.
Awesome work man
Big mom ?? The same who one shot queen ?? The same one clashing with kaido ??? Just cause zoro can hurt big mom don’t mean he beats her, big mom told kaido to dodge which means if she was fighting zoro he would dodge, zoro beast attack doesn’t finish her. Her best attack kills zoro
People really don't watch videos before commenting
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Saw what you did there with Mihawk Za painter, added him to Kaido top 5 thinking we wouldn't notice
Trying to downscale Big Mum's durability to not that insane since Kid's metal was hurting her is downright horrendous.
Base Big Mum straight up tanks Brooke's sword with zero difficulty, tanks her own mega thunderbolt in whole cake and a mile long fall. It is much more reasonable just to say Kid was suing haki on his fruit like Law and Doflamingo. Queen with his full zoan form and haki couldn't break Big Mum's skin yet we are going to try and say that Kid's scrap metal with no haki can break her arm? Oda is just hella inconsistent with his haki coloring and considering Kid and Law both talk about haki, can sense others using and know all about it, I find it incredibly hard to comprehend that they somehow are novices at it when gear 4 whole cake couldn't even faze Big Mum.
It doesn't downgrade her durability 😂 but her durability isn't a big deal for Zoro.
bro can not hurt king with his flames on. He literally said there was no point in attacking now when was using KOH
1:37 i sée m'y glorious hawk there 🗿
BIG MEME BEAN FRAUD YONKO ????? VS LORO The fight between vista victims will be legendary
that title.. better aint be no ppl that actually believe that
Generational title baiting ladies and gentlemen we truly love to see it
Zoro has superior AP and speed but u don’t think he’s outlasting big mom due to stamina that’s just my opinion tho
Then we think alike my brother
@@SuperiorI.Q Guess you could say we have superior iq 😏
What stamina issue?? Is this issue present? Has it stopped him from fighting anyone or finishing the fight…
If not then there is no legitimate issue. Wish people would stop with this broken record take.
Zoros peaks can reach the level to compete with some yonkos, but his average/base is significantly below that.
I SEEN MIHAWK IN THAT KAIDO TOP 5 PANEL YOU AINT SLICK😭. Finishing the vid now had to comment that 😭 okay so u might have been spitting on this one fr. I don’t necessarily agree about the dif versions of big mom for this fight but it’s whatver tbh. I 10000% think big mom was nerfed to helll in the law an kid fight. Not using coating, letting them jus slap her wit attacks over an over. Then she uses up her lifespan just for law an kid to pull out bs awakening that they just had in their pockets to “win”. I think I can agree wit ur conclusion tho big mom wins by outlasting Zoro which I think she could do if he doesn’t bust out Ashura an clap her ass. In hindsight thinking about the scar on Kaido while damn near dying, current zoro might just slice an dice Big mom fr fr. I don’t wanna sleep on Big mum but damn. Good vid mane💪🏾
1:37 Bro tried to sneak Mihawk in there
1:37 Goathawk 😍
00:15 most fights are mid diffs if you only count the last couple pages.
I kind of agree with the vid as a whole, though. Big Mom's scaling is all over the place. She knocked out Queen in 3 hits without Haki, but then couldn't get Law off her even with haki.
Zoro would probably Beat the Big Mom that fought Kid and Law, but I don't that that's saying very much.
Probably cause law is stronger then queen😂 she just lets blunt attack hits her because most things or ppl can’t actually hurt her
i blame oda for this video
Kaido's Real Top 5 @ 1:42
if you see anything else it's because the rat used his nepotism influence to replace my underrated GOAT HimHawk
Zoro could at the vero least give her a very good fight, keep her occupied and leave her damaged enough where a weaker character could take her out after the fight.
The arguments you made about Kaido vs Big Mom is just an example of inconsistent feats and portrayal in One Piece. Happens all the time. At MF Blackbeard didn’t give a fuck about Garp AND Sengoku yet he runs away from Akainu solo afterwards. Hopefully no one is insane enough to think Akainu wins a 2v1 even if you think he beats Garp 1v1. But it gets better as post time skip where he’s much much stronger he runs away from Rayleigh solo who should rank below Garp. Which is even evident when you look at Rayleigh’s performance against Kizaru vs his against Aokiji. A cut on the cheek vs speed blitzing and rag dolling
Logically there’s no reason Kaido and Big Mom would have stayed in base the entire fight making no ground against each other. And let’s just say they did. We have no way of saying 2 characters who are equal while holding back wouldn’t still be equal going all out. Kaido doesn’t have any feats proving he’s much stronger he just has slightly better portrayal. With how the narrative is presented it wouldn’t make sense if Kaido was significantly stronger
Also the real reason Big Mom wasn’t in his top 5 is because those 5 are suppose to be the strongest characters (supposedly again there’s some contradictions with Shanks and Oden being there when prime Garp and Shiki are not) if Big Mom was there it would imply she’s a rival to Roger etc
Advanced conquers is single handledly the fucking worst ability yet the sickest at the same time. I’m kinda sad it just ended up as a better ryou though
Big mom ain’t leaving this fight with 2 eyes and all her limbs zoro taking sum
I wouldn't say Zoro beat Big Mom like any of his other opponents but if he had a big hole in the ground he can definitely knock her in and win
Fight starts and base big mom is too much. base Zoro got swatted by King hybrid so his base would get smacked back to the ease blue. Zoro uses big attacks from enma like the one he told Kaido to dodge and slashes big mom down the stomach. Big mom eyes widen and she cries out realizing she underestimated Zoro and simply regens. Big mom lets loose like she did against Kaido with conqueror haki coating and knocks down Zoro eyes might go white for a split second. Zoro puts on bandana and goes conqueror haki berserk and big mom goes bigger mom mode LOL amping herself with souls sensing the danger from Zoro's sttacks, big mom matches Zoro's speed but Zoro's swordplay and speed amps is faster and big mom cannot counter all of Zoro's attacks taking some one damage. Big mom has surface slashes and Zoro is almost close to done. Zoro uses the final attack he used on King and big mom simply negs the attack with her own conqueror haki and physical strenght. Zoro is done burned out on the ground and big mom simply regens going back to full strenght. Big mom releases a ikoku sovereingty and finishes the job mid dif.
Ikkoku sovereignty is a joke of an attack even misery
@parmar__12 ikoku sovereignty matches kaido, do u think zoro can take a direct attack like that to his body ur delusional that's a neg to low dif and she coats it with conquerors Zoro is our cold
@@tawchaentertainment1488 lol Kidd ate ikkoku sovereignty talking it matches kaido
Big mom has nothing that matches kaido
@@parmar__12 yeah sure thats why they were able to equally contribute to ocean sovereingty. Kid didn't get the full on attack it busted through his metal and blew him away. Not even Shanks is taking a full on ikoku sovereingty unguarded. You're saying Zoro gassed out on the ground can survive a full powered ikoku soreignty lol
@@tawchaentertainment1488 nobody is taking anybody's powerful attack unguarded lol
Not even big mom
Great video
i love seeing the mihawk in kaidos top 5🔥🔥🔥🔥
1:39 Bro hates Shanks😭
1:40 Mihawk is NOT apart of the team 😭🙏🏾🗣️💯
U slick with that mihawk
Even if zorro can attack big mom she can just heal herself by eating her homies and wear zorro out.
Zoro had a high dif fight against King, he’s not touching Big Mom if she’s serious. Zoro has nothing to match the raw force of Kid’s Magnetism or the raw AP of Law’s awakening that can match Whitebeard’s quakes and v shatter Big Mom’s bones
He also doesn’t have the speed scaling. King who’s faster than Zoro was getting matched or slightly outpaced by Marco. Big Mom blitzed Marco extremely casually, and has amped forms on top of that
Zoro Mid Diffed King. stop that. Zoro’s touching Big Mom extremely easy. Zoro’s raw force and AP is definitely superior them individually. Whitebeard Quakes and Blackbeard Quakes are completely since they require the strength of the user.
That King who’s you said was “faster than Zoro” literally got blitzed by Zoro. Multiple times actually. The King that was fighting Marco was holding back since we clearly see him go all out against Zoro. Marco who got blitzed by Big Mom is inferior to Kaido who Zoro outpaced. The only I see Big Mom closing the gap if she amps here self which is unlikely.
Honestly see Zoro pulling a Luffy and getting stronger during the fight like Luffy vs kaido
Most of big moms moves kill or knockout in one hit that’s why paw kept teleporting them or kid would have amour protect him from the full blast
Zoro>>>> Mihawk Shanks Oden Gandhi Elder Fujitora Whitebeard Dark king rey Roger D Gold And Ryuma in EOS
Big Bum is a joke of a yonko. Other yonko would never lose against Kidd & Law even if the odds were against them.
She never lost 1v1, still a top tier, and fought kaido for 3 whole days, witch is a better feat than any Blackbeard feat and Blackbeard couldn't beat law without his crew helping him and got punked by a seraphim Big mom > Blackbeard
Exactly
It got stated the the yonko are relative the og ones if one of them fought it will be a high diff battle. Garp said by the way
Mickey Mouse first commanders = king , katakuri and Marco !
The combined Big Mom & Kaido attack is one of the most overrated in the series IMO.
Kaido clearly wasn't Going all out at that point, and Big Mom was either not trying or in Big Meme mode. Even in the generous interpretation that Big Mom's attack was just as strong as Kaido's, that means the final result is about twice as strong as a mid-tier attack from a Kaido that's holding back.
Kaido obviously got a lot more than than twice as strong once he started going all out, which I think is when he started Drinking. Every single attack that Kaido and Luffy Used during the G5 round, and most of the attacks during the round before, are stronger that The Duel Sovereignty attack.
Current Egghead Zoro with ACoC should be able to block that attack with only moderate damage.
I'm not saying that Zoro is close to Kaido in strength yet, just that Rooftop Kaido was holding back a LOT.
Nah that attack was meant to kill half of them
It's over every attack we have seen
So zoro > kid and law combined?
He literally said the opposite watch the damn video before commenting
Bm might have lost the ability to wield acoc
Also I think the fight comes down to if there’s fodders nearby that big mom can use to recharge. It would be a refresher and power boost, and combined with zoro not completely mastering enma, would definitely let her win.
If it’s just the two of them I got zoro.
Haven’t fully watch the video but I wanna say this. Zoro got ACoC and took 0 hits and beat a lunarian with a ancient ZOAN in 4 HITS. Slicing damage is more potent and we can at least say 6-10 hits would put big mom in the same position that kid and law had her. The attacks that landed in her that weren’t awakening weren’t even roof top zoro level such as cornidio and others. She can’t keep up speed wise, her attacks are non factors since zoro can cut, dodge, or tank them all. Only reason this is a conversation is because people say she’s a yonko and talk about who fought who. Big mom didn’t do anything as impressive as the other yonko so clearly strength by title isn’t everything. And zoro 4 shot the tankiest 1st commander while nerfed, under a time limit, and with a Ariel disadvantage. Make him fresh and he’s clearly 1-4 shotting all 1st commanders and is clearly on the level of admiral-yonko.
1:47 we just gonna ignore mihawk being there instead of shanks😭
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Nope not going to listen to anything in this video I'm just going to listen to the author of the story who created the narrative and power skill the characters. The narrative of the story tells us that Big Mom's power is relative to kaito's it also tells us that Big Mama's able to fight kaido for multiple days before they finally decided to form an alliance together The nerve of the story also showed us that zoro's absolute best and strongest technique managed to land a single scar on kaido putting him far below Big Mom did not watch this video Don't need to watch this video I'm out. 👋🏾
Also this is why the Zoro fans are the worst fans in the community You all put him up and unrealistic matching scaling him a lot higher than the person who created the character who clearly narratively right Zoro and Sanji to be relative to each other in power and skill
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@@SuperiorI.Q it's true man it's true..... It would be more realistic or at least a closer matchup would be kid or law which even narratively Oda has written the both of them to be above Sanji and Zoro....Sanji is my favorite character in the series and I'm never going to tell you he is even close to an emperor or he's beating law and kid because it's unrealistic You lose credibility when you imply these things. Not saying that you are implying this just saying people in general.
@@SasukeY2JItachiu don’t fuck around about this power scaling shit💀
I think you should always watch something you disagree with regardless.
but I got a question okay so when it comes to showing a characters strength and sure narrative can tell us this but why not show it properly law and kid have shown some very mid haki feats besides some stuff that happens with law in the future and kid doesn’t do anything impressive besides his cannon while I know his fruit is strong how aim I suppose to believe he can beat Zoro when zoro cuts through some of the toughest things around so metals aren’t really hard to cut through for him
I don’t see kid covering his awesome mechs like the bull or king punk or what ever in haki (last time I checked) wouldn’t zoro rather easily be able to cut it and I know he can cut it deep enough too with the pica feat
so sure narrative can tell you how things are supposed to be but wouldn’t be the writers fault if characters aren’t shown in a way that makes since to the audience?
@@SasukeY2JItachi Zoro, Law and Kid are all supernovas, narratively Oda has written Zoro to be way above both of them (all time strongest swordsman, only supernova besides Luffy with acoc), Sanji is just a member of future pirate king crew (like Gaban or Jozu), he has no special clouts like Zoro (Ryuma, Mihawk, Shanks, Rayleigh, strongest title, black blade, acoc), narratively Oda put him on a pedestal for eos status.
nah not the mihawk in the top 5 😭😭
LMAO YOU SLY DOG💀 1:42
Fat mom is the biggest joke of a top teir in the whole verse . Imagine a so called emperor losing to law and kidd and not being able to one shot chopper
had me in the title
big mom > roger
im realy laggy while typing this so i wil make mistakes
no like actualy im laging
Zoro doesnt beat her yet (I personally think he will surpass Kaido and big mom by the end of the series) but I think if he DOES get a lucky enough shot in he could put her down. And big mom wouldn't be leaving without some bumps and scratches. But Roanoa D goat will have to do some more training before he can beat Fraud mom
Kaido has better blunt resistance but Big Mom has better cutting resistance. And that is super relevant here. She has no scars. Nothing except Law's awakening and many many penises have penetrated this woman.
It's weird how Kidd's metal beams don't get any credit, when Kaido himself uses what amounts to a metal beam as a weapon. It's clearly an effective tactic.
I feel like people take their notions of how metal is supposed to act from other Shonen and apply it to One Piece. In One Piece, mass and density are respected much more than normal. I think this stems from Oda's love of robots. IRL a modest sized spool of steel sheet will roll you flat as a pancake. So Big Mom taking chip damage from iron beams makes sense.
Kaidos durability>> big mom by far
@@parmar__12 Big Mom took just as much damage to take down, if not more. Big Mom could have kept fighting too, so we technically didn't see the full extent of her durability.
@@derrickmiles5240 big mom took damage from anything
Meanwhile to hurt kaido people need dura neg or ryuo or acoc
Man fell from skypiea on head and it gave him a small headache
She's not comparable at all
If she hadn't regeneration she would have lost like way too early in fight
Meanwhile kaido fought who not and was still going on
@@parmar__12 Kaido gets stabbed by fodder. Meanwhile it's debatable if even Shanks could cut Big Mom.
@@derrickmiles5240 what fodders actually??
Half of samurais are jack level plus they use ryuo
If Kidd is breaking her bones with metals than shanks is spanking her
1:36
mihawk sneak...
Boy I was boutta say
big mom claps
I am sorry zoro cannot beat big mom because zoro is not yonko level nor admiral level yet I am zoro fan as well but this a bit to much glazing
I have a theory big mom is weaker than she should be because she split her soul into nepolian, zues, hera, and the sun one (idr his name)
The only reason zoro lost was because big mom wasn't black 😢
Is it still controversial that straw hat pirates beats the big mom pirates in a crew fight?
I don’t think law and Kidd have stronger attack power than Zoro even combined. I think Zoro has higher AP than them combined. But they have greater DC.
That’s the dumbest thing possible to say when laws puncture willie feat is better then anything zoro got and kid just physically using his metal to hurt big mom
If zoro can damage her he wins. Never forget "Dodge Kaido!" Moment
Naw way your ass thinks that Big Mom will die from a single injury
She has durability comparable to Kaido's in base and also top tier endurance
Not to mention that she out speeds marco who blitzed King
As a huge zoro fan, imma have to disagree for now… but bro go off, we here 4 it lol😂
Damn all these feats and acolates to get one shot by Shanks😹🙏
I havent watched the video but zoros AP is comparable or better than big moms idc what anyone says. We saw law backflip thru her strongest move
Exactly
I doubt that she even used her strongest move here. Reminders that a person's strongest move in canon leaves them incapacitated momentarily. BM still has a lot of fight left after being pushed down by Law and Kidd.
Bajarang Gun, Stargun, Damned Punk, Puncture Willie, Flaming Drum, etc... left their users out of commision momentariliy due to their power. Big Mom never went that far.
Superior face reveal
I agree but I just wanna say big mom>blackbeard rn in feats
Yes
@@karma1507 cause people really thinking a guy who was struggling with law could beat luffy
Luffy cant beat Big MoM yet but you want us to think Zoro beats her? Zoros fans never disappoint LoL.
Tf?
Bro atleast watch the whole video he literally said Zoro can't win
Let Zoro beat Rob Lucci before lool
When's the next chapter coming?
Current Zoro Beats Nerfed Wano Arc Bigmom ..
Zoro blitz Her .. Had adv haki boost which increase everything A lot ..
if her power cut in half she like garp she probably used to be about as strong as as least hybrid kaido without acoc so sure why would zoro not be close
Next video will be zoro low diffs imu, these zkk fans are crazy
BORING where’s the Akainu glaze part 2
Big Mom High Difs Zoro. W Opinion
Watch out , they are coming for you . 😂
Zoro speed blitzed everybody he faced In Wano
Base Lucci victim
Yes he can beat big mom if not potentially because his goal to beat mihawk I’m pretty sure mihawk yonko level
Zoro stomps keep cooking
First get him past Lucci lol
He beat him?
Hey I will just say one thing which might be a bigg nono statement Zoro has higher Endurance then Luffy.
The attacks that would make luffy die or just out right pass out Zoro tanks and half dead stands still and has the balls to say nothing happend.
Like Luffy is much more durable then Zoro like way more his body is made to soak in impact.
You know where I am going with this. Luffy whose body is made of rubber passed out from fighting Kuma takes all that pain. Remember Luffy is much more durable then Zoro.
Takes pain from much more durable Zoro who passed out to already beaten up Zoro.
All that pain build up in few seconds no less and still he did not die.
Then you could not tell me Luffy has higher Endurance then Zoro.
He is stronger faster and more durable then Zoro but definitely not with Higher Endurance then Zoro.
Like what is the feat that puts his Endurance above Zoro?
Only time I have seen half dead like that is Marine ford after the battle with poison guy and needed drugs to continue moving.
And at Wano the dude just passes away or dies then gets saved by plot armour.
Yea I said it gear 5 is the ultimate plot armor. I am 100 percent sure the new awakening will be a plot armor fruit. Your character is dead his devil fruit awakened.
Am I saying Zoro wins against Luffy nope.
I am just saying Zoro has higher Endurance then Luffy.
BM hasn't been shown to be capable of enduring attacks on the level of Ashura, let alone KoH.
Puncture Wille > KoH any day. Not only in DC but in ap too.
@@vampiranya9939prove it
@@vampiranya9939Hell no.
@@vampiranya9939puncture Willie near to Ashura??
Let alone koh😂😂😂
I am not even mad you baited me, i am more glad you are not R.
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