What I like the most about people's perception of Alfa's breaking down is that most of them never owned one, all they do is repeat stories that they heard from someone else that never owned one , which honestly make me very happy because I've had 2 Alfa's and they never had any problems. So the less Alfas on the street the more looks and great comments I get. Because there are so many Mercedes, BMWs Audis..etc that when you see an ALFA you actually look at it go by! Also does anyone who speaks English can pronounce Quadrifoglio not QuadrOfoglio! Quadro is a picture frame in Italian!
@@stephenperron6539 these people that call alfa for reliability most have never been near alfa romeo there like sheep follow the flock. Or there owners who run there car into the ground no maintenance. I've had 14 alfa's along with alot of other makes of cars since the age of 18 I'm now 58 alfa are amazing cars the soul the passion no other marque comes close.and any car on this planet is only as good as its owner .
Hey bro, I am writing from Europe, so I can comment on 4 of your 5 points. Finding a dealer here in Europe is easy and anyway any car mechanic can do standard maintenance on an Alfa. Just open the hood and show the engine bay in an Alfa and a German car and you will see the difference: a lot of space to work vs crowded space. Also, not so much plastic in an Alfa compared to a Bmw. You make a group of Alfa, Maserati, Ferrari and Lamborghini but the only thing they have in common are the Italian names. Lamborghini (except the 12V models) are built in Germany and they belong to Audi-VW. Ferrari and Maserati have very little parts in common and Alfa has nothing in common with those. Alfa have some parts in common with Fiat cars, which is a good thing, because Fiat have become very reliable cars, for many years. New Alfa Giulia and Stelvio are not expensive, they can be compared to their German competitors (Bmw. Mercedes and Audi). Japanese cars are not an alternative for a buyer who want a beautiful, performing car; so you can just forget Lexus, those are for other people. You walk around those cars, you should actually drive them. I do drive German cars and Alfa and I can tell you that there is no comparison. Where German cars stand out is with the digital cockpits and infotainment. The design (inside/outside) is a matter of taste but the real difference is the driving feeling. The Alfa Stelvio, which is a Suv, actually drives like a sedan, and the Alfa Giulia, is a sedan that drives like a sport car. Reliability: all cars, sooner or later, have technical issues, both German and Italian. What I noticed, over the years and talking to others who drive as much as myself, is the difference in how they brake down. Generally speaking, a German car would give you a warning and soon after just stop. An Italian car would give you warnings but then -somehow- will take you to destination. Now you tell me: do you want you car to stop to auto-protect itself or you want to get home and later let the mechanic deal with the issue? German cars have a better reputation but I really can't figure out why. Even Porsche, even the mighty 911, have lots of issues. German cars suffer, in general, of over-engineering. Something makes me doubt of official reliability stats and customer reviews. Another difference, for the car-enthusiasts who is considering to buy a car: the Audi A4, S4 and RS4 are 3 completely different cars. The Mercedes C200 and C63 AMG are completely different cars. and so are the Bmw 3 series and the M3. What the Germans do is that they build first the "normal" version and later they produce the power version. Alfa did the opposite: they first designed and produced the QV and later they built the "normal" versions. The result is that a Giulia or Stelvio is just slower than the QV, but all of them are much lighter and have better handling than the Germans. Just google which cars are faster around the Nurburgring. Or see the videos here on YT and enjoy.
small correction: Lamborghini is owned by Audi, BUT they are built is S.Agata, just outside Bologna. I swear. I know people working there :) Engineered and built there. the best of it: the firm has more of a german organization, wich makes organizazion: much less confused than what we italians usually do ;)
@@bobceffo Thanks for the correction mate! And an invitation to all car enthusiasts to visit the magic region where the best cars in the world are built: Lamborghini in Sant'Agata Bolognese, Ferrari in Maranello and Maserati in Modena. Go got it!
@@epuffglobal7719 yes, those hills have some magic. Add Ducati in Borgo Panigale and you have some of the best classic motoring. all with classic lovely italian reliability issues, off course :P
I have a 2018 Giulia 2.0 and I got it used with 6k miles on it, I've had it over a year and put roughly 45k miles on it and I've had no issues at all and the dealership that does the maintenance is awesome.
Problems don't arise with daily long distance driving, damage occurs from the hot and cold cycles of the engine. Also the real test of a car is after 100,000 miles
I've had my 2020 Alpha Stelvio for almost 3 years and it runs great with no issues. Just two did the oil change service twice and that is it. So far has been more reliable than my Jaguar F Type R and Porsche 911. Hope it stays that way for a few more years. Buying cars now is not fun anymore.
Just signed a 3 year lease for a '23 Giulia Estrema. Couldn't pass up an opportunity to experience the last generation of ICE Alfas before they go full electric. Test drove M340i, C43 and S5 Sportback. All clearly have a lot more power and performance, but none touched the Giulia in handling, steering, looks and that special uniqueness factor. 280hp more than enough power to justify the decision. I couldn't be more excited.
Me and wife have two Alfa Romeo Stelvios. The outside temp sensors (in the passenger mirror) were not working and the AC was not pumping air (on both). Since then they both work great (both are AWS, I4 engines)… We are coming to Alfa Romeo after some Audis (including the Diesel model for which Audi was sorry)… So after American, German and Japanese cars we thought Alfa’s will be flakey. We are pleasantly surprised they are not! We recommend them…
Sounds like my story, Audi TDI, Audi A4 (blown engine at 38K), several S4's over 30 years yet here I am in a from new '21 AR Stelvio and loving it. Best looking machines ever. 👍👍👏
My wife and I went to go test drive a used one at the dealer. The AC wouldn't blow cold air on a hot summer day. They stated they had to order the parts but would be willing to make a deal that day on the car still. We walked away immediately. Anecdotal evidence for sure, but nonetheless, hearing about the unreliability and the car not having cold A/C while for sale at the dealer was a major red flag.
That reputation is from 1970 and 1980 when Mafia tried to run Italian brands. After that Alfas didnt have much problems. Giulia and Stelvio had problems in earlier years of production like any other brand, but i think thats amplified by the earlier reputation. Electronic systems are made by the same companies who make the same systems for other Eu car brands.
My 2017 Giulia has now done 130,000 kms without any problems at all, now ready to upgrade to a Stelvio. Sick of all the negative comments, the older Alfas did have issues but I'm quite confident they have ironed out the problems.
Haha, no they haven’t. Not even close. Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t mean they’re good vehicles. They don’t have a 100% failure rate. But compared to other companies, Alfa has a much higher failure rate. For a person that can afford a toy to play around with, sure hope ahead and buy one. For the average person that needs to get to work every day and just needs a daily driver, you’re an idiot to roll the dice on one of these.
It's not alfa romeo cars that had the problems it's the was the owners who had them ie the way the cars are treated not getting serviced the car is as good as its owner.need I say anymore.
Most issues are battery related (bad batteries from the factory) and the first 2 years software issues, but they are just as reliable if not better than their german counterparts.
@@ECPP In you favor: BMW 3 and 4 are the real competitor of those Alfas in therms of riding experience and philosophy... and no... you have no mercy on them either :)
My wife has a '21 Stelvio, in red no less, it has 15K and we have had zero issues, other than a recall that was performed by the dealer almost before she time to finish her coffee. It drives and handles more like a car than an SUV, and when pushed goes like scalded cat.
That’s just it. Fun and stylish and great value in many cases. I know I spoke with a service manager at a dealer and he confirmed electrical issues on some vehicles and earlier generations were a bit more problematic, however things are certainly getting much better. Very nice to drive and awesome bang for buck on the used market
This whole idea that a car has to be perfect is feminine energy. Like a women towards a man, she’ll hate you if you have any flaw at all, because she’s just looking for a rationalized excuse to bang the pool boy. Some cars suck so bad they’ll break you to keep them. That’s one thing. But a thing or too is a fine trade for fun and performance. Its just money. Don’t be a girl about it. Too many men are women today.
I have a 2018 Stelvio with 56K miles. The only thing that went out was the battery, and was replaced under warranty. A lot of the parts are MOPAR and easy to get. Have you even driven an Alfa? Because unless you drive it, you don't really get it, and I don't think you do.
Are you in the U.S ? I am debating on buying 2019 . I hear not to by used. I need advice 😩 I'm a girl that knows nothing about cars. But I love the car. It's beautiful 😍
@@josephineramos3199 Get it... All you have to do is replace the battery if the previous owner has not, and that's it. If it's a 2022 or newer, the battery they use from the factory will be fine. They're very reliable. I see you getting a white one in my crystal ball.
You should really research the actual reliability of Alfa Romeos. They are just as reliable and even more so than German cars. I can tell you from experience having owned BMWs and Alfa Romeo QV. Awesome car!!
Had an Alfa Romeo since 1988. My wife's Acura Integra had more issues (specifically the igniter which would stop the car without warning). Now have a Guilia Quadrifoglio and the most fun car I've owned. (2002 WRX and LS400 also in the stable.) Follow the maintenance manual and in my experience all has been fine. The electrics can easily be fixed with dielectric grease on the battery terminals.
I've been a former German car owner and would never go back...bought an Alfa Stelvio 2018...going on 3.5 yrs and it's been great....as far as cheap...not sure where this guy is based but up in Toronto area they are not cheap used
Giulia QUAD is a lotta car for that price and not over priced at all. I have owned Giulia QV and Stelvio 2.0 for a while and never had to take either one of them for a repair ever. QV is one of the best car I have ever driven.
I agree on the Quad, the responsible comment would be not advising someone on a fixed budget to buy, but with a few extra bucks it really is an awesome machine
This has to be one of the most ignorant reviews I have ever seen on UA-cam. Doesn't help that it's egged on by numbskulls in the comments section saying it's basically a Chrysler. The Q4 competes with the C300, A4 and the 330i. It easily comes out on top when it comes to design, handling, throttle response, and drive feel. That 12:1 steering ratio makes it feel telepathic. Reliability issues are a thing of the past and mostly propagated today by ignoramuses who have never driven or owned an AR. I have a 2019 Giulia Ti AWD, and I have really put it through its paces. Not a single issue with the drivetrain or any other system in the 3 years I've had it. Absolutely love it.
The thing is. These days this reputation of poor reliability is not founded. Its just accounts from very old model. The looks however, are unmatchable. This brand is going to be my next one
The perception is reasonable mostly because of their parent company. Now, I have heard that the Stelvio basically shocked people with its reliability, but from what I've heard that's not the case for the Giulia
The 3.0 litre V6 does have reliability issues (up to 2021 at least) but the 2.0 is rock solid now, particularly compared to the German makes. I speak as an owner.. and not just my personal experience, but the forums also reflect the fact that the new 2.0s are extremely reliable. Enginee that are well maintained (key) will easily last 200K with nothing but oil changes. Electrical will not be Japanese reliable, but nothing crazy. My betst advice is get an extended warantee, which aren't that expensive which also speaks to the high reliability of the 2.0s (they would make it very expensive otherwise).
Yeah I was looking at extended and traditional warranties offered by Ziegler and I was surprised. Amazing deals all around even for cars already outside of the factory warranty.
This comment is super late so hopefully you see this but what year would you recommend with the 2.0 L? The Giulia is my dream car and it'd break my heart to make a bad choice in the future.
@@gregpst77 high cost of ownership? If you compare it with a Corolla then youre right. In germany the resale value is good and if you live in a country where it isnt then i dont wonder because Alfa lacks in dealers and mechanics who know what they do. Thats Alfas real problem in most of the countries, not the cars themself.
My friend just bought one and I'm hoping it lasts for at least two years. He's well to do so I don't think it will matter. By the way the battery issue is because they're made in Italy 🇮🇹 and it takes a couple months on a boat to get here. The battery is in the trunk and it's no problem to charge.
Must be a long time since you bought a modern BMW. I’ve owned several BMW’s and it’s true they used to make amazingly well engineered cars (my 2003 e39 M5 definitely a little less so my 2010 e92 M3 and definitely not my 2017 M2). After a number of issues with the M2 I bought a 2018 Giulia Quadrifoglio which I kept for three years - incredible machine with zero issues. Older BMW’s if well maintained then yes, newer BMW’s out of warranty, never in a million years.
i have no idea what went wrong with bmw. their 2000s cars are one of the best used cars you can buy right now for cheap. But the newer 2010s and 2020s absolutely suck. So sad to see such a great brand go into trash like that.
None of the reasons you gave for the Guilia's reliability are reported on the forums. Not sure where you got your info. My 18' Quadrifoglio is a beast and has zero reliability issues.
The reason why the Italian cars, such as Alfa Romeo and Fiat are not popular for the buyers in the USA. French cars, like Italian cars, such as Citreon, Peugeot, and Renault does not attract buyers in the USA. My favorite Chrysler Corporation car are: 1954 DeSoto Firedome V-8, 2 door Sportsman hardtop with original 2 tone paint job, 1956 Chrysler New Yorker DeLuxe St. Regis V-8, 2 door Newport hardtop with 3 tone paint job, and 1957 DeSoto Adventure came in 2 models and they are: 2 door Sportsman hardtop and convertible and 4 headlights are standard.
See I’m in the process of buying my first Alfa Romeo Guilia Sport. And I had to do some research because people tell me that they aren’t good cars. After 2 months of hard studying I can say that everything they say is bullshit. This car is amazing. Anyone down talking it has either never driven one or just listens to what other people who haven’t driven one have to say about it… Wish me luck hopefully I can join the Alfa Mafia.
Had an old Alfa 146 while living in Italy, it had 200,000 km or 124,000 miles. It was a 20 years old car, I only changed suspensions and break rotors and I had to fix the AC but What car doesn’t have problems after 20 years and over 100k ? I also had a Corolla for about the same time and it had the same problems, ac, electrical problems, etc. And it had the same mileage as the Alfa 146.
I've never owned a ALR's but I'm considering buying a used one despite what anyone says about them not being reliable. I think most people hear horror stories about Alfa's and assume that it's true without them ever experiencing it themselves. I like to take risks in life and experience it for myself so I'm not gonna rely on other people's s opinion about something. So, I've decided to look into these Alfa Rameos and experience it for myself. Any car enthusiasts let me know if you know more about the maintenance and what I should look for when buying a used Alf R. Thank you.
I think Alfa Romeo shouldn’t be on sale in the states.This car is for educated people living in a first world country ,only that knows what a piece of art it is
This is such a tough choice for me. I'm looking at either this or a Infiniti Q50 and both have their pros and cons but the alfa looks way better inside and out.
i don't know if people know this Chrysler dealerships have access to alfa Romeo service info, so you can go to any Chrysler dealership you like doesn't have to be an alfa Romeo dealership the dealer network shouldn't be an issue unless your buying it
Idk man my alfa “ which I dog” I’ve had for a couple years do all the maintenance and it’s amazing no issues at all, just rear tires and fronts actually, I have a cambered version which came stock, it’s fun it’s fast I have a stage 2 cam and a bunch of bolt ons it’s around 423hp and 500lbs of torque, and I’ve never had any issues with it, the only real issue I’ve ever had was when I first bought it, it had a pcm module that shot an engine light it was a cheap fix but it was a headache since it took 3 weeks to arrive, either way it’s funner than my old 2017 Cla 45 and way faster even stock it felt similar
I had a 2021 M4 and needed a more practical vehicle. I’m a BMW guy but I bought a 2022 Stelvio Quad instead of an X3M. Simply put, it’s just a lot more fun and not in every suburban soccer mom’s garage. Tech on the Alfa isn’t as good as the BMW but how much of that does one really use anyway? The Alfa has all the tech I need. The only suggestion I have is to go 2020+. They improved interiors in 2020 and it was a decent upgrade.
@@olivergrizzly6346 Awesome. One of my good friends got an X3M recently and said I’d be crazy to not get that over the Stelvio because the X3M can be modded to 750hp, etc. I’m a firm believer that much power in an SUV is silly though. Thanks for your input, I’d like to drive the Stelvio first and see what I think. Seems like test drives are unheard of these days.
@@2811JPR Exactly. You can have too much power and at some point it becomes nothing more than a penile extender that has no real value You should be able to get a tester pretty easily. They handed me the keys and told me they would see me when I got back. They also have some factory cash back right now. Good time to look.
Only legit concern is dealerships are few and far between. The engines are the same as in all 4-cyl Jeeps and the transmissions are ZF. I have 2017 Ti , 50K miles never a problem. They are worth it if you love to drive, but if all you need is a toaster don't bother. However if I lived an hour away from a dealership I would not buy one.
All I hear is you read on the forums, you read on the forums... Have you really actually spent some quality time to test drive the current Alfa offerings? I have to disagree with you on the Alfa reliability. It is all about preventive maintenance and driving with care! If you are planning to hoon it, of course you are going to stall the car or blow up the turbo lol I bought my 2017 Giulia used around 37k miles and now it is in 56k miles. Yeah sure, I have had an issue with wiring which put my car in normal mode, but the part was priced fairly in the luxury car world and dealership labor cost is reasonable. I don't have other crazy problems since. Plus I heard Alfa listens and fixed many complaints in their later model years. If anyone is considering a luxury car, they obliviously have to consider the cost of maintenance. You have to be fair because buying any used car is a gamble! Every car is bound to have problems because there are more and more sensors put into place and they freak out sometimes, regardless of brands. I do my due diligence and do my research and have a code reader for all my cars. Treat cars like your wife or girlfriend and they will love you without disappointment!
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History tells me that Alfa Romeo vehicles are mostly for petrolheads or simply those who enjoy the pleasure of driving a car, because Alfa Romeo (and to same extent Italian cars in general) are usually a bit more tuned for a better driving experience. Of course Alfa's can serve all the other vehicle purposes, but casual owners will always be suspicious of reliability and cost of ownership or resell value. ...and the last one, resell value is always true. It's funny, because people are ok with high costs of ownership with German brands, but if it happens to be an Italian car, they always think "I should've known better".
Hello from the UK I have a selvio on a 4 year lease with 4 year warranty love the car dealership network is better here Its like a German car (I had audi nothing but trouble) owning a lux car out of warranty is a risk but in warranty such good times
I don’t know how other Alfa dealer networks are but the one in Kansas City for me has been great. BMW is another good one. Now I’m not saying the cars will be reliable no Just that the dealers are good at handling your problems when things do happen.
I’ve owned several BMWs throughout the years and grew tired of the maintenance and reliability I’ve since bought a Giulia and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned.
This is a message to the people who watched this video. Just go and buy the Giulia. Trust me you wouldn't be disappointed. Go to your nearest dealership and book a test drive and then you'll see what a great car it is. I daily drive my Alfa Giulia Veloce Q4 and there has been no issues. Not even creaks and squeaks in the interior which is really common with Merc, BMW and oftenly Audi. This car is a masterpiece itself. Do your own research and forget that you've watched this video. He doesn't know what he is on about!
So if they're unreliable, where are the recalls? The 2018 Honda Accord Sport with 62K I traded for my 2022 Giulia with 12K six weeks ago was on it's forth or fifth recall. I took advantage of the over valued Honda (nice car) and an undervalued Alfa...about a $6000 difference before all the dealer BS, add-ons, and usual taxes and fees. Other than being 100 miles from an Alpha service center, I couldn't be happier.
I have 2 Alfa's. Alfa 164 2.0 TS (480 000km and haven't no problems). One year ago bought a Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.2 and hohpe that would be good like my first Alfa 164. Driving Alfa is pleasure...
Bruh my mom bought a alfa brand new in 2002. And we have it since than. We havent experienced ANY problems with the car other than normal maintnence. Its a 147 1.6ts 120hp
Best reply of all as your have had the car for a long time. A car should still be in great condition after 5 years. I expect a minimum of 12 year’s trouble free from a car.
The issue really is it has a Italian name on a Mopar which means buy more parts. If the Chrysler name wasn’t attached to it I’d probably own one rather than leasing one. Guilias are beautiful cars and handle awesome. The fact that you don’t have a dipstick to see what the oil looks like or if it needs a change is a deal breaker for me. It’s all electronics and we all know Chrysler has been known for cars that are over 5 years old to fail. Even with Chryslers new merger company Stalantis I’m not sold. I’d lease one and that’s about it. A typical oil change for the Guilia is $160. Which to me is insane especially when I build race cars. All in all lease and don’t buy .
At some point I was considering an Alfa Romeo 159 but bought a BMW 6 Series coupé. In 2019 again another Alfa Romeo - Giulia - was on my short list, but ended up buying a Jaguar XF sedan. We apparently just don"t click 😊. But the old 159 and Giulia look the part for sure.
Currnetly driving stelvio 2018. Never had any issues. Not a mechanic but did all services such as brakes, rotors, oil, belt etc. by myself after watching youtube videos. Had 2006 GranSport maserati. No issues at all. Did work myself as well. Keep spreading rumors, we'll applause depreciation. Hope QV will be added to the list soon.
If I had the money again and lived in a better area, I would buy my Stelvio back. The same exact one. I know it sounds ridiculous to some. I'm still heartbroken about having to sell it. Never felt that way about any other car I had. Definitely don't want to drive anything else.
I'm biased because I drive a Stelvio, but after the 3 recalls were addressed (before I bought it with 9k miles), I haven't had a single issue. On occasion I get some false flags about servicing the parking brake but it goes away immediately. Sure, maybe that's a sign, but at the price I paid for a pristine Stelvio with 9k miles like new, there wasn't a better vehicle overall in it's class that could compete, especially at the price. If it were out of warranty on the other hand, not sure I'd feel so comfortable
Test drive the Stelvio with my wife today. What a fun car to drive!!!!! I LOVE the Giulia but my wife wants an SUV. This will be her car so we are still doing the research and comparisons.
I was in a Dealer that sold multiple brands...guy in service (BMW, Alfa shop next door) started talking with me and Alfas came up in discussion. "they are fine, until you need parts..."
I'm tempted by an Alpha because they are beautiful cars. Of course James May (or was it Jeremy Clarkson) once said that everyone drives an Alpha once if they consider themselves a car person but they get left on the side of the road waiting for the tow to the shop.
It's an AlFa, not AlPHa, ALFA means Anonima Lombarda Fabrica Automobili! Trust me, the only way not to buy one is never to drive one. If you try, it's hard to go back to boaring ordinary cars like german brands. It's a love story like Romeo & Giulia!
while we talking about italy. since dawn of civilization began, italy always a famous and great country. italy gave us world famous building, architecture, people, food, cars...
How they are overpriced from the beginning?? All giulias even base modell are coming with : aluminium hood, aluminium front fenders, and all 4 doors also aluminium . Carbon fiber driveshaft, all modells!!! Double wishbone suspension!! The Germans yes they have beter screens inside 🤣🤣🤣
This video might more properly be titled "Why a used Alfa Romeo Gulia is cheap": 1) Alfa Romeo's mystique and low production volume inflate the new sticker price. 2) Alfa Romeo's dealer network is limited, perhaps complicating access to service. 3) Regardless of the reality, Alfa Romeo is perceived to have low reliability. 4) Competition by BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audo, Jaguar, and Lexus is plentiful. 5) The model Gulia has had many reports of faulty electronics, a work in progress.
This guy is full of himself and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Though there are several dealers near me, I take my Stelvio to a mechanic that services high performance cars (and he is less expensive than a dealer). No problems yet.
I agree 100% with @Monsterello comment. Right on , couldn’t have said it better myself! I have a 2018 Stelvio and I love it, no issues or problems! I do have extended warranty though, repairs are expensive!
Yeah, this guy gets it wrong. I own a Giulia and Stelvio and hang out on the forums. I've never heard of a throttle body issue, not saying it never happened. Stalling and poor running is rare. The battery is the majority with electrical and cooling system leaks following that. Some A/C problems. With the exception of battery, all other issues are not that common. Mine have been very reliable so far. Give him an E for effort though.
@@dang3402 Since it is a 2018, it is probably out of warranty or very close. If it is not, then yes most are covered. Battery may not be, but that is only about $200. Most suggest you get the Mopar extended warranty if buying it. They can be expensive to fix and maintenance is on par with with other luxury brands. Make sure you have a good dealer or shop near by that can repair them unless you can work on it. That can be hit or miss depending on where you are. Go hang out on the Giulia and/or Stelvio forums and research a bit to make sure it is right for you. Driving experience is awesome and a lot of driving enthusiast love them.
Dave o you wont regret it sorry I'm always on the back foot with what people say about alfa .I've got a black 159 ti and a trofo white giulia quadrifoglio my 14 th alfa along with many other makes
When you buy one of these cars and you Pay these exorbitant prices. You think you're getting quality? But all you're really getting is a name. And you're paying just for that. Not for what you really need. is quality and reliability.
I've never considered the Alfa, at all. Perhaps I've missed out on the "experience", but no regrets, otherwise. Certainly an option for those so inclined.
I can't find any cheap Alfa Romeo here in Southern California. They are holding value better than BMWs and Jaguars. Audi is just malicious and incompetent junk with engines that fail and must be replaced (timing belt and chain failure resulting in valve piston collision)
This is true. I have a 2019 Ti Sport Giulia. I negotiated the price down to 36k new from 49k sticker. Because at the time (feb 2020) they weren’t selling. Now it’s still worth 32k with 18k miles on it. The Ti Sport/Veloce versions are desirable.
@@allenpaul102 BMW, Jaguar, Range Rover and Audi dump in value. Mercedes, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, most Mercedes and Lexus hold value. I started looking for a cheap Alfa after I couldn't find a cheap enough Ghibli: I couldn't find either. Fiat 500 had a cheap moment went original owners dumped their cars after warranty was over, now they have all gone up in value from bottom here in California, especially because of the fuel efficiency. Volkswagen, Audi, BMW and essential all American and British cars lose the most value the fastest
@@allenpaul102 Plenty of E46 BMWs are listed 2k or less. Some E90 BMWs are listed for less than 6k now. S class and C class Mercedes lose value the fastest, with S class new for around 100k, lose 80-90% after 10 years and go worthless after 20 years
@@Maximob-dm5wi dumbtruck, this isn't a matter of opinion: 2005 Quattroporte base was 95.5k new and today doesn't go below 10k. 2005 S500 base was 83.9k new and are essentially worthless today going for less than 2k very easily and there is no shortage of them in the junkyards. Maserati roadster models are more expensive than the Quattroporte. Go talk to someone about things you might actually have some knowledge about, because you don't know a damn thing about this here.
My quads got exhaust filter blow off valve oedal tune allffismio tuned other than battery...perfect 50,000 miles it's been more reliable than my m3 and my c63amg
This guy says “Italian cars are expensive because they are overpriced” but he didn’t get documented on the billions they spent for the actual platform and the Ferrari and Maserati engineers that were involved in realizing the Stelvio and Giulia. He is totally ignorant about the subject.
What I like the most about people's perception of Alfa's breaking down is that most of them never owned one, all they do is repeat stories that they heard from someone else that never owned one , which honestly make me very happy because I've had 2 Alfa's and they never had any problems. So the less Alfas on the street the more looks and great comments I get. Because there are so many Mercedes, BMWs Audis..etc that when you see an ALFA you actually look at it go by! Also does anyone who speaks English can pronounce Quadrifoglio not QuadrOfoglio! Quadro is a picture frame in Italian!
Well said my friend
Concordo
I bought 3 of them since 2017 no issues whatsoever. This 1970s reliability perception is getting annoying.
@@stephenperron6539 these people that call alfa for reliability most have never been near alfa romeo there like sheep follow the flock. Or there owners who run there car into the ground no maintenance. I've had 14 alfa's along with alot of other makes of cars since the age of 18 I'm now 58 alfa are amazing cars the soul the passion no other marque comes close.and any car on this planet is only as good as its owner .
Agree 👍👍
Hey bro, I am writing from Europe, so I can comment on 4 of your 5 points. Finding a dealer here in Europe is easy and anyway any car mechanic can do standard maintenance on an Alfa. Just open the hood and show the engine bay in an Alfa and a German car and you will see the difference: a lot of space to work vs crowded space. Also, not so much plastic in an Alfa compared to a Bmw.
You make a group of Alfa, Maserati, Ferrari and Lamborghini but the only thing they have in common are the Italian names. Lamborghini (except the 12V models) are built in Germany and they belong to Audi-VW. Ferrari and Maserati have very little parts in common and Alfa has nothing in common with those. Alfa have some parts in common with Fiat cars, which is a good thing, because Fiat have become very reliable cars, for many years.
New Alfa Giulia and Stelvio are not expensive, they can be compared to their German competitors (Bmw. Mercedes and Audi). Japanese cars are not an alternative for a buyer who want a beautiful, performing car; so you can just forget Lexus, those are for other people.
You walk around those cars, you should actually drive them. I do drive German cars and Alfa and I can tell you that there is no comparison. Where German cars stand out is with the digital cockpits and infotainment. The design (inside/outside) is a matter of taste but the real difference is the driving feeling. The Alfa Stelvio, which is a Suv, actually drives like a sedan, and the Alfa Giulia, is a sedan that drives like a sport car.
Reliability: all cars, sooner or later, have technical issues, both German and Italian. What I noticed, over the years and talking to others who drive as much as myself, is the difference in how they brake down. Generally speaking, a German car would give you a warning and soon after just stop. An Italian car would give you warnings but then -somehow- will take you to destination. Now you tell me: do you want you car to stop to auto-protect itself or you want to get home and later let the mechanic deal with the issue?
German cars have a better reputation but I really can't figure out why. Even Porsche, even the mighty 911, have lots of issues. German cars suffer, in general, of over-engineering. Something makes me doubt of official reliability stats and customer reviews.
Another difference, for the car-enthusiasts who is considering to buy a car: the Audi A4, S4 and RS4 are 3 completely different cars. The Mercedes C200 and C63 AMG are completely different cars. and so are the Bmw 3 series and the M3. What the Germans do is that they build first the "normal" version and later they produce the power version. Alfa did the opposite: they first designed and produced the QV and later they built the "normal" versions. The result is that a Giulia or Stelvio is just slower than the QV, but all of them are much lighter and have better handling than the Germans.
Just google which cars are faster around the Nurburgring. Or see the videos here on YT and enjoy.
small correction: Lamborghini is owned by Audi, BUT they are built is S.Agata, just outside Bologna. I swear. I know people working there :)
Engineered and built there.
the best of it: the firm has more of a german organization, wich makes organizazion: much less confused than what we italians usually do ;)
@@bobceffo Thanks for the correction mate! And an invitation to all car enthusiasts to visit the magic region where the best cars in the world are built: Lamborghini in Sant'Agata Bolognese, Ferrari in Maranello and Maserati in Modena. Go got it!
@@epuffglobal7719 yes, those hills have some magic.
Add Ducati in Borgo Panigale and you have some of the best classic motoring.
all with classic lovely italian reliability issues, off course :P
Thankyou that's just what I wanted to say well said
Well Said Bro...Forza Alfa Romeo
I have a 2018 Giulia 2.0 and I got it used with 6k miles on it, I've had it over a year and put roughly 45k miles on it and I've had no issues at all and the dealership that does the maintenance is awesome.
That is super. Can’t complain with that
How much do you usually pay for an oil change?
If you pay
Around $300.
@@AWholeVibe96 137 for my oil changes 2018 Giulia 2.0
Problems don't arise with daily long distance driving, damage occurs from the hot and cold cycles of the engine. Also the real test of a car is after 100,000 miles
i’ve heard no concrete reason to not buy a used Alfa romeo thanks for helping me make a choice
I've had my 2020 Alpha Stelvio for almost 3 years and it runs great with no issues. Just two did the oil change service twice and that is it. So far has been more reliable than my Jaguar F Type R and Porsche 911. Hope it stays that way for a few more years. Buying cars now is not fun anymore.
Exactly , the dealers are in another level
You hiring?😅
Just signed a 3 year lease for a '23 Giulia Estrema. Couldn't pass up an opportunity to experience the last generation of ICE Alfas before they go full electric. Test drove M340i, C43 and S5 Sportback. All clearly have a lot more power and performance, but none touched the Giulia in handling, steering, looks and that special uniqueness factor. 280hp more than enough power to justify the decision. I couldn't be more excited.
Me and wife have two Alfa Romeo Stelvios. The outside temp sensors (in the passenger mirror) were not working and the AC was not pumping air (on both). Since then they both work great (both are AWS, I4 engines)…
We are coming to Alfa Romeo after some Audis (including the Diesel model for which Audi was sorry)…
So after American, German and Japanese cars we thought Alfa’s will be flakey. We are pleasantly surprised they are not! We recommend them…
Thanks David, that’s great to hear. Yes, there have been many very happy owners, and improvements are happening.
My Stelvio had AC issue as well, lucky it was a quick fix & I am in warrenty
Sounds like my story, Audi TDI, Audi A4 (blown engine at 38K), several S4's over 30 years yet here I am in a from new '21 AR Stelvio and loving it. Best looking machines ever. 👍👍👏
My wife and I went to go test drive a used one at the dealer. The AC wouldn't blow cold air on a hot summer day. They stated they had to order the parts but would be willing to make a deal that day on the car still. We walked away immediately. Anecdotal evidence for sure, but nonetheless, hearing about the unreliability and the car not having cold A/C while for sale at the dealer was a major red flag.
@@morganlingsweiler9813 I'd say that was the dealer's fault. They should not have shown you the car in that condition.
That reputation is from 1970 and 1980 when Mafia tried to run Italian brands. After that Alfas didnt have much problems. Giulia and Stelvio had problems in earlier years of production like any other brand, but i think thats amplified by the earlier reputation.
Electronic systems are made by the same companies who make the same systems for other Eu car brands.
So is that good or bad?
My 2017 Giulia has now done 130,000 kms without any problems at all, now ready to upgrade to a Stelvio. Sick of all the negative comments, the older Alfas did have issues but I'm quite confident they have ironed out the problems.
Haha, no they haven’t. Not even close. Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t mean they’re good vehicles. They don’t have a 100% failure rate. But compared to other companies, Alfa has a much higher failure rate. For a person that can afford a toy to play around with, sure hope ahead and buy one. For the average person that needs to get to work every day and just needs a daily driver, you’re an idiot to roll the dice on one of these.
Boo hoo😫🤭
That’s only 80k miles…
It's not alfa romeo cars that had the problems it's the was the owners who had them ie the way the cars are treated not getting serviced the car is as good as its owner.need I say anymore.
If you owned 6 to 8 alfas with minimal problems I'd agree, but you owned one! You got lucky bud, most other owners got shafted $$$ lol
Most issues are battery related (bad batteries from the factory) and the first 2 years software issues, but they are just as reliable if not better than their german counterparts.
That’s a real thing indeed
@@ECPP In you favor: BMW 3 and 4 are the real competitor of those Alfas in therms of riding experience and philosophy... and no... you have no mercy on them either :)
My wife has a '21 Stelvio, in red no less, it has 15K and we have had zero issues, other than a recall that was performed by the dealer almost before she time to finish her coffee. It drives and handles more like a car than an SUV, and when pushed goes like scalded cat.
That’s just it. Fun and stylish and great value in many cases. I know I spoke with a service manager at a dealer and he confirmed electrical issues on some vehicles and earlier generations were a bit more problematic, however things are certainly getting much better. Very nice to drive and awesome bang for buck on the used market
This whole idea that a car has to be perfect is feminine energy. Like a women towards a man, she’ll hate you if you have any flaw at all, because she’s just looking for a rationalized excuse to bang the pool boy. Some cars suck so bad they’ll break you to keep them. That’s one thing. But a thing or too is a fine trade for fun and performance. Its just money. Don’t be a girl about it. Too many men are women today.
I should hope it has no issues with only 15K on the clock. Sheesh. Come back when there's 150K, if it even lasts that long.
Zero issues with just 15k should be expected for any vehicle. Come back when it’s over 60K.
@@bghoody5665 for sure. Those cars are junk. Who brags about no issues with just 15k?
I have a 2018 Stelvio with 56K miles. The only thing that went out was the battery, and was replaced under warranty. A lot of the parts are MOPAR and easy to get. Have you even driven an Alfa? Because unless you drive it, you don't really get it, and I don't think you do.
AMEN! The drive is like NOTHING ELSE. PeriodT!
Are you in the U.S ? I am debating on buying 2019 . I hear not to by used. I need advice 😩 I'm a girl that knows nothing about cars. But I love the car. It's beautiful 😍
@@josephineramos3199 Get it... All you have to do is replace the battery if the previous owner has not, and that's it. If it's a 2022 or newer, the battery they use from the factory will be fine. They're very reliable. I see you getting a white one in my crystal ball.
@@josephineramos3199Ziegler offers cheap mopar warranties for it.
You should really research the actual reliability of Alfa Romeos. They are just as reliable and even more so than German cars. I can tell you from experience having owned BMWs and Alfa Romeo QV. Awesome car!!
i absolutly love my alfa. no issues. dealership down in San Diego always takes care of me. best car ive ever owned.
Thats good to hear. Shoutout for the Alfa indeed. I love the personality of those cars.
@@ECPP great show my friend. been watching for years. as always, i look forward to your vids.
Im thinking of getting a 2019 Stelvio Qudrifoglio. How has your Alfa held up & do you recommend the Stelvio Quad?
Had an Alfa Romeo since 1988. My wife's Acura Integra had more issues (specifically the igniter which would stop the car without warning). Now have a Guilia Quadrifoglio and the most fun car I've owned. (2002 WRX and LS400 also in the stable.) Follow the maintenance manual and in my experience all has been fine. The electrics can easily be fixed with dielectric grease on the battery terminals.
Thanks a lot for sharing. Yes they can actually be decent to own
I've been a former German car owner and would never go back...bought an Alfa Stelvio 2018...going on 3.5 yrs and it's been great....as far as cheap...not sure where this guy is based but up in Toronto area they are not cheap used
Great to hear on the reliability, and in Edmonton there have been some amazing used cars available
Giulia QUAD is a lotta car for that price and not over priced at all. I have owned Giulia QV and Stelvio 2.0 for a while and never had to take either one of them for a repair ever. QV is one of the best car I have ever driven.
I agree on the Quad, the responsible comment would be not advising someone on a fixed budget to buy, but with a few extra bucks it really is an awesome machine
I have a 2019 giulia with ZERO issues. Can’t say the same for the bmw, fords, chevys I’ve owned
That’s fair
This has to be one of the most ignorant reviews I have ever seen on UA-cam. Doesn't help that it's egged on by numbskulls in the comments section saying it's basically a Chrysler.
The Q4 competes with the C300, A4 and the 330i. It easily comes out on top when it comes to design, handling, throttle response, and drive feel. That 12:1 steering ratio makes it feel telepathic.
Reliability issues are a thing of the past and mostly propagated today by ignoramuses who have never driven or owned an AR. I have a 2019 Giulia Ti AWD, and I have really put it through its paces. Not a single issue with the drivetrain or any other system in the 3 years I've had it. Absolutely love it.
Ouch
I am on my way to look at the same car u own. I’m glad I read ur post.
My 2019 Giulia Ti Lusso has 45,000 miles and doing just fine and I bought mine preowned in 2020. Reputation isn’t FACTS.
Thanks but that’s also not many miles
The thing is. These days this reputation of poor reliability is not founded. Its just accounts from very old model.
The looks however, are unmatchable.
This brand is going to be my next one
The perception is reasonable mostly because of their parent company. Now, I have heard that the Stelvio basically shocked people with its reliability, but from what I've heard that's not the case for the Giulia
The 3.0 litre V6 does have reliability issues (up to 2021 at least) but the 2.0 is rock solid now, particularly compared to the German makes. I speak as an owner.. and not just my personal experience, but the forums also reflect the fact that the new 2.0s are extremely reliable. Enginee that are well maintained (key) will easily last 200K with nothing but oil changes. Electrical will not be Japanese reliable, but nothing crazy. My betst advice is get an extended warantee, which aren't that expensive which also speaks to the high reliability of the 2.0s (they would make it very expensive otherwise).
Yes and if we are truthful, these cars make up far more in character where their German rivals are a little vanilla
Yeah I was looking at extended and traditional warranties offered by Ziegler and I was surprised. Amazing deals all around even for cars already outside of the factory warranty.
This comment is super late so hopefully you see this but what year would you recommend with the 2.0 L? The Giulia is my dream car and it'd break my heart to make a bad choice in the future.
@@cliffytech most owners recommend 2020+ since that's when they really ironed out most of the issues.
Freaking amazing reply turnaround lol, preciate it!@@zeppkfw
I had a 2017 Giulia veloce - lasted me 80k miles when I bought it with 16k. only oil changes. best car ever had
Sounds great
What happen to it
@@DenfrmFl pretty nasty accident - she took it like a champ though :( miss her
@@coltoneatherly5897 Awwee 😔 RIP GIULIA
What made you change? I am thinking of getting one
Never had a problem with my 2019 Stelvio. Great value and driving experience 😜
It’s still relatively new. They tend to fall apart and are known for poor quality. Upscale Fiat, lol.
@@gregpst77 stats say something else so stop with your 70s stereotypes.
@@DonViToCRLNE Stats say they have a high cost of ownership and horrible resale value for a reason.
@@gregpst77 high cost of ownership? If you compare it with a Corolla then youre right. In germany the resale value is good and if you live in a country where it isnt then i dont wonder because Alfa lacks in dealers and mechanics who know what they do. Thats Alfas real problem in most of the countries, not the cars themself.
Loved it so much that I just got a 2022 Giulia Veloce! Best 4-banger turbo for the $$$
I have a 2020 Giulia. Tons of electrical issues, but still, I'll drive an Alfa over any BMW or Audi.
They do have some character for sure
There is someone in a german alfa forum who owns a 5 series too and it has a lot of electrical issues too that BMW cant fix.
What electrical issues are you having......I have an 2020 as well do I'm curious 🤔
My friend just bought one and I'm hoping it lasts for at least two years. He's well to do so I don't think it will matter. By the way the battery issue is because they're made in Italy 🇮🇹 and it takes a couple months on a boat to get here. The battery is in the trunk and it's no problem to charge.
Thanks
Still more reliable than a BMW lmaooo.
Must be a long time since you bought a modern BMW.
I’ve owned several BMW’s and it’s true they used to make amazingly well engineered cars (my 2003 e39 M5 definitely a little less so my 2010 e92 M3 and definitely not my 2017 M2).
After a number of issues with the M2 I bought a 2018 Giulia Quadrifoglio which I kept for three years - incredible machine with zero issues.
Older BMW’s if well maintained then yes, newer BMW’s out of warranty, never in a million years.
i have no idea what went wrong with bmw. their 2000s cars are one of the best used cars you can buy right now for cheap. But the newer 2010s and 2020s absolutely suck. So sad to see such a great brand go into trash like that.
None of the reasons you gave for the Guilia's reliability are reported on the forums. Not sure where you got your info. My 18' Quadrifoglio is a beast and has zero reliability issues.
Well actually…..Main thing is that you are enjoying yours because there are still many very happy owners.
I am not an expert on cars, I have a BMW 428i, replacing this car for a an Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.0 would be an upgrade?
I think so
The reason why the Italian cars, such as Alfa Romeo and Fiat are not popular for the buyers in the USA. French cars, like Italian cars, such as Citreon, Peugeot, and Renault does not attract buyers in the USA. My favorite Chrysler Corporation car are: 1954 DeSoto Firedome V-8, 2 door Sportsman hardtop with original 2 tone paint job, 1956 Chrysler New Yorker DeLuxe St. Regis V-8, 2 door Newport hardtop with 3 tone paint job, and 1957 DeSoto Adventure came in 2 models and they are: 2 door Sportsman hardtop and convertible and 4 headlights are standard.
Great points David. Cheers
See I’m in the process of buying my first Alfa Romeo Guilia Sport. And I had to do some research because people tell me that they aren’t good cars. After 2 months of hard studying I can say that everything they say is bullshit. This car is amazing. Anyone down talking it has either never driven one or just listens to what other people who haven’t driven one have to say about it… Wish me luck hopefully I can join the Alfa Mafia.
Had an old Alfa 146 while living in Italy, it had 200,000 km or 124,000 miles.
It was a 20 years old car, I only changed suspensions and break rotors and I had to fix the AC but What car doesn’t have problems after 20 years and over 100k ?
I also had a Corolla for about the same time and it had the same problems, ac, electrical problems, etc. And it had the same mileage as the Alfa 146.
I've never owned a ALR's but I'm considering buying a used one despite what anyone says about them not being reliable. I think most people hear horror stories about Alfa's and assume that it's true without them ever experiencing it themselves. I like to take risks in life and experience it for myself so I'm not gonna rely on other people's s opinion about something. So, I've decided to look into these Alfa Rameos and experience it for myself. Any car enthusiasts let me know if you know more about the maintenance and what I should look for when buying a used Alf R. Thank you.
Their warranties are cheap too. Ziegler offers mopar warranties for it
Buy a 2020 MY or newer, as the cars were updated then.
@@rlsedition thank you sir
@@zeppkfw thank you
@@Psychguy00 I did buy a used Giulia, a 2020 Ti Sport.
I think Alfa Romeo shouldn’t be on sale in the states.This car is for educated people living in a first world country ,only that knows what a piece of art it is
I have a Guilia quad. On my sixth year of ownership since new. I ordered it. Not a single issue. 40,000 miles. Very happy.
Fun to drive too
@@ECPP when I push it too hard I am reminded it is trying to kill me. Not even kidding.
Reason One is so asinine. Alfa Romeo is in the same class as the BMW,Mercedes,Audi, & etc. It’s priced accordingly. Not because it’s Italian.smh
Thanks
I’ve had a dead ecu at 3,000 miles on my 2021 guilia, nothing but problems after that
This is such a tough choice for me. I'm looking at either this or a Infiniti Q50 and both have their pros and cons but the alfa looks way better inside and out.
Exactly
Electronics is the weakness of all non-Asian cars.
Yes
i don't know if people know this Chrysler dealerships have access to alfa Romeo service info, so you can go to any Chrysler dealership you like doesn't have to be an alfa Romeo dealership the dealer network shouldn't be an issue unless your buying it
Owned a 2018 alfa romeo giulia, no breakage, no interruptions, just the oil, brake pads and tires replaced.
Idk man my alfa “ which I dog” I’ve had for a couple years do all the maintenance and it’s amazing no issues at all, just rear tires and fronts actually, I have a cambered version which came stock, it’s fun it’s fast I have a stage 2 cam and a bunch of bolt ons it’s around 423hp and 500lbs of torque, and I’ve never had any issues with it, the only real issue I’ve ever had was when I first bought it, it had a pcm module that shot an engine light it was a cheap fix but it was a headache since it took 3 weeks to arrive, either way it’s funner than my old 2017 Cla 45 and way faster even stock it felt similar
Thanks for sharing
I’m looking at a 2019+ Stelvio Quadrifoglio. I’d like to buy one used with
I had a 2021 M4 and needed a more practical vehicle. I’m a BMW guy but I bought a 2022 Stelvio Quad instead of an X3M. Simply put, it’s just a lot more fun and not in every suburban soccer mom’s garage. Tech on the Alfa isn’t as good as the BMW but how much of that does one really use anyway? The Alfa has all the tech I need.
The only suggestion I have is to go 2020+. They improved interiors in 2020 and it was a decent upgrade.
@@olivergrizzly6346 Awesome. One of my good friends got an X3M recently and said I’d be crazy to not get that over the Stelvio because the X3M can be modded to 750hp, etc. I’m a firm believer that much power in an SUV is silly though. Thanks for your input, I’d like to drive the Stelvio first and see what I think. Seems like test drives are unheard of these days.
@@2811JPR Exactly. You can have too much power and at some point it becomes nothing more than a penile extender that has no real value
You should be able to get a tester pretty easily. They handed me the keys and told me they would see me when I got back. They also have some factory cash back right now. Good time to look.
Only legit concern is dealerships are few and far between. The engines are the same as in all 4-cyl Jeeps and the transmissions are ZF. I have 2017 Ti , 50K miles never a problem. They are worth it if you love to drive, but if all you need is a toaster don't bother. However if I lived an hour away from a dealership I would not buy one.
Cheers
the engines are not the same.
@@chuck386 they have same filters and that stuff for sure but the engines are not equal.
Ron Rides post a lot about alfas.. there are giulias in Europe with over 200k miles.
Nice
All I hear is you read on the forums, you read on the forums... Have you really actually spent some quality time to test drive the current Alfa offerings? I have to disagree with you on the Alfa reliability. It is all about preventive maintenance and driving with care! If you are planning to hoon it, of course you are going to stall the car or blow up the turbo lol I bought my 2017 Giulia used around 37k miles and now it is in 56k miles. Yeah sure, I have had an issue with wiring which put my car in normal mode, but the part was priced fairly in the luxury car world and dealership labor cost is reasonable. I don't have other crazy problems since. Plus I heard Alfa listens and fixed many complaints in their later model years. If anyone is considering a luxury car, they obliviously have to consider the cost of maintenance. You have to be fair because buying any used car is a gamble! Every car is bound to have problems because there are more and more sensors put into place and they freak out sometimes, regardless of brands. I do my due diligence and do my research and have a code reader for all my cars. Treat cars like your wife or girlfriend and they will love you without disappointment!
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Chunloyk well said
History tells me that Alfa Romeo vehicles are mostly for petrolheads or simply those who enjoy the pleasure of driving a car, because Alfa Romeo (and to same extent Italian cars in general) are usually a bit more tuned for a better driving experience.
Of course Alfa's can serve all the other vehicle purposes, but casual owners will always be suspicious of reliability and cost of ownership or resell value. ...and the last one, resell value is always true.
It's funny, because people are ok with high costs of ownership with German brands, but if it happens to be an Italian car, they always think "I should've known better".
in the moment the Giulia holds his value in germany.
This isn’t true. The Giulia is holding its value well. I’m in southern CA and in the greater LA market they aren’t cheap even used with 50k
That’s great to know that things might be changing
I mean, if you've had a Challenger or Charger newer than say, 2016, it's the same thing. I'd cop one. They're nice cars.
Cheers
I have my original 1997 Toyota Rav4 and I am happy with it. During or after a hurricane - my Rav4 rules the road in Miami!
Hello from the UK I have a selvio on a 4 year lease with 4 year warranty love the car dealership network is better here
Its like a German car (I had audi nothing but trouble) owning a lux car out of warranty is a risk but in warranty such good times
Cheers
Alfa Romeos are for looking good when you arrive somewhere. If you want unfathonable reliability, buy a Toyota.
Thanks for watching
and alot of those electrical problems were traced back to the battery that Alfa has for those cars ...take them out and get a better brand battery
Bad batteries can cause a lot of strange actions
I don’t know how other Alfa dealer networks are but the one in Kansas City for me has been great. BMW is another good one. Now I’m not saying the cars will be reliable no Just that the dealers are good at handling your problems when things do happen.
Thanks for sharing
The factory Varta battery is at fault, for most of the electrical issues. Get a good AGM battery, and you are good to go.
True it sounds like batteries are a lot to do with the issues
I’ve owned several BMWs throughout the years and grew tired of the maintenance and reliability I’ve since bought a Giulia and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned.
This is a message to the people who watched this video. Just go and buy the Giulia. Trust me you wouldn't be disappointed. Go to your nearest dealership and book a test drive and then you'll see what a great car it is. I daily drive my Alfa Giulia Veloce Q4 and there has been no issues. Not even creaks and squeaks in the interior which is really common with Merc, BMW and oftenly Audi. This car is a masterpiece itself. Do your own research and forget that you've watched this video. He doesn't know what he is on about!
Thanks
This video is jumping around too much and the camera shaking is getting me dizzy. Lol
Sorry a new camera and editor
@@ECPP Your information was good!
It's all perception. Who do you think makes these parts for all the different brands?
Cheers
So if they're unreliable, where are the recalls? The 2018 Honda Accord Sport with 62K I traded for my 2022 Giulia with 12K six weeks ago was on it's forth or fifth recall. I took advantage of the over valued Honda (nice car) and an undervalued Alfa...about a $6000 difference before all the dealer BS, add-ons, and usual taxes and fees. Other than being 100 miles from an Alpha service center, I couldn't be happier.
I have 2 Alfa's. Alfa 164 2.0 TS (480 000km and haven't no problems). One year ago bought a Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.2 and hohpe that would be good like my first Alfa 164. Driving Alfa is pleasure...
Bruh my mom bought a alfa brand new in 2002. And we have it since than. We havent experienced ANY problems with the car other than normal maintnence. Its a 147 1.6ts 120hp
Best reply of all as your have had the car for a long time. A car should still be in great condition after 5 years. I expect a minimum of 12 year’s trouble free from a car.
The issue really is it has a Italian name on a Mopar which means buy more parts. If the Chrysler name wasn’t attached to it I’d probably own one rather than leasing one. Guilias are beautiful cars and handle awesome. The fact that you don’t have a dipstick to see what the oil looks like or if it needs a change is a deal breaker for me. It’s all electronics and we all know Chrysler has been known for cars that are over 5 years old to fail. Even with Chryslers new merger company Stalantis I’m not sold. I’d lease one and that’s about it. A typical oil change for the Guilia is $160. Which to me is insane especially when I build race cars. All in all lease and don’t buy .
Well…..
At some point I was considering an Alfa Romeo 159 but bought a BMW 6 Series coupé. In 2019 again another Alfa Romeo - Giulia - was on my short list, but ended up buying a Jaguar XF sedan. We apparently just don"t click 😊. But the old 159 and Giulia look the part for sure.
Currnetly driving stelvio 2018. Never had any issues. Not a mechanic but did all services such as brakes, rotors, oil, belt etc. by myself after watching youtube videos. Had 2006 GranSport maserati. No issues at all. Did work myself as well. Keep spreading rumors, we'll applause depreciation. Hope QV will be added to the list soon.
Same for me. Not one problem with my 2019. Quality interior, amazing handling, great to drive.
Great to hear!
You “get “ Alfa or you don’t, if you don’t you never will...and If you do , you’ll not want to drive much else.
If I had the money again and lived in a better area, I would buy my Stelvio back. The same exact one. I know it sounds ridiculous to some. I'm still heartbroken about having to sell it. Never felt that way about any other car I had. Definitely don't want to drive anything else.
I'm biased because I drive a Stelvio, but after the 3 recalls were addressed (before I bought it with 9k miles), I haven't had a single issue. On occasion I get some false flags about servicing the parking brake but it goes away immediately. Sure, maybe that's a sign, but at the price I paid for a pristine Stelvio with 9k miles like new, there wasn't a better vehicle overall in it's class that could compete, especially at the price. If it were out of warranty on the other hand, not sure I'd feel so comfortable
Test drive the Stelvio with my wife today. What a fun car to drive!!!!! I LOVE the Giulia but my wife wants an SUV. This will be her car so we are still doing the research and comparisons.
I was in a Dealer that sold multiple brands...guy in service (BMW, Alfa shop next door) started talking with me and Alfas came up in discussion. "they are fine, until you need parts..."
I have a quadro stelvio no issues head turner and speed demon sorry buddy Alfa of Ramsey Newjerey is the best
I'm tempted by an Alpha because they are beautiful cars. Of course James May (or was it Jeremy Clarkson) once said that everyone drives an Alpha once if they consider themselves a car person but they get left on the side of the road waiting for the tow to the shop.
True, I know Jeremy loves a nice Alfa and I think they are great too, just beware of the nuances once in awhile with certain models
It's an AlFa, not AlPHa, ALFA means Anonima Lombarda Fabrica Automobili! Trust me, the only way not to buy one is never to drive one. If you try, it's hard to go back to boaring ordinary cars like german brands. It's a love story like Romeo & Giulia!
while we talking about italy. since dawn of civilization began, italy always a famous and great country. italy gave us world famous building, architecture, people, food, cars...
How they are overpriced from the beginning??
All giulias even base modell are coming with : aluminium hood, aluminium front fenders, and all 4 doors also aluminium . Carbon fiber driveshaft, all modells!!! Double wishbone suspension!!
The Germans yes they have beter screens inside 🤣🤣🤣
This video might more properly be titled "Why a used Alfa Romeo Gulia is cheap":
1) Alfa Romeo's mystique and low production volume inflate the new sticker price.
2) Alfa Romeo's dealer network is limited, perhaps complicating access to service.
3) Regardless of the reality, Alfa Romeo is perceived to have low reliability.
4) Competition by BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audo, Jaguar, and Lexus is plentiful.
5) The model Gulia has had many reports of faulty electronics, a work in progress.
This guy is full of himself and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Though there are several dealers near me, I take my Stelvio to a mechanic that services high performance cars (and he is less expensive than a dealer). No problems yet.
i’m glad i saw this video…there’s a 2018 giulia QV for around 45k…the closes dealership is 1.5hrs away
That could be an issues u less you are willing to tow it I the event of a no run
ALFA AND MASERATI you can go to a independent shop in your city
There are a couple little shops that say they do.
Please drive one and talk about Alfa’s. I have 3 and they’re all reliable and have not had any major issues.
I have and I think they are cool with more personality than most German cars
Can you do one all about Range Rovers and the common issues they have because I really like the looks of the Range Rover velars!
True
And people talk about alfa and reliability you obviously havnt looked the reliability of range rover there a joke.
Fix It Again Tony hahahahahahahaha
Haha you bet.
Then there is "Feeble Italian Attempt (at) Technology"...
Everything you say is true. I love mine but I am well connected in my community. I never buy a Tesla because I can’t service it in my state.
Love my 2019 Giulia. 0 problems.
Sounds good
I agree 100% with @Monsterello comment. Right on , couldn’t have said it better myself! I have a 2018 Stelvio and I love it, no issues or problems! I do have extended warranty though, repairs are expensive!
Yeah, this guy gets it wrong. I own a Giulia and Stelvio and hang out on the forums. I've never heard of a throttle body issue, not saying it never happened. Stalling and poor running is rare. The battery is the majority with electrical and cooling system leaks following that. Some A/C problems. With the exception of battery, all other issues are not that common. Mine have been very reliable so far. Give him an E for effort though.
Are these issues covered under factory warranty.?About to go look at a 2018 Julia ti sport
@@dang3402 Since it is a 2018, it is probably out of warranty or very close. If it is not, then yes most are covered. Battery may not be, but that is only about $200. Most suggest you get the Mopar extended warranty if buying it. They can be expensive to fix and maintenance is on par with with other luxury brands. Make sure you have a good dealer or shop near by that can repair them unless you can work on it. That can be hit or miss depending on where you are. Go hang out on the Giulia and/or Stelvio forums and research a bit to make sure it is right for you. Driving experience is awesome and a lot of driving enthusiast love them.
@@ericbluealfa can you recommend a good Giulia forum for the 2018-19 models?
2018 Stelvio w/ 40k miles on it, no issues yet
Sounds like a solid run so far
Why you shouldn’t buy any performance or luxury car by European brands for cheap. This is not unique to Alfa.
But when you own an Alfa it’s not actually about the journey, it’s reaching your destination 😅
Haha, true
Do you have an alfa or more to point have you ever been near 1
@@ianlee487 Just joking mate. I’ve got a 159 (my first Alfa) but got my eye on a Giulia down the track 😍
Dave o you wont regret it sorry I'm always on the back foot with what people say about alfa .I've got a black 159 ti and a trofo white giulia quadrifoglio my 14 th alfa along with many other makes
@@ianlee487 Wow, you’ve experienced a plethora of vehicles. Would love a quadrifoglio one day 🍻
Historically Alpha was unreliable.
Yes for sure
When you buy one of these cars and you Pay these exorbitant prices. You think you're getting quality? But all you're really getting is a name. And you're paying just for that. Not for what you really need. is quality and reliability.
Please would someone recommend 2015 Audi rs3 as a first car
Please help me out I want to know
4 dealerships in Miami, Florida and many more repair shops. Not worried at all.
Nice
I test drove one, stalled out at every traffic light .
Really?
In Europe we have another joke for FIAT.
Forget It And Thumb...
Looking to get a used one what warranty do you all get
Thank you brother, very interesting video. Never knew that about a Alfa. They sure are sharp in detail. God bless n stay safe.
Have a great one Julio, and thank you very much.
I've never considered the Alfa, at all. Perhaps I've missed out on the "experience", but no regrets, otherwise. Certainly an option for those so inclined.
Go for a test drive...it might change your opinion. Seriously.
You are indeed missing out.
It s nice options and they are nice to drive , and under a warranty, life is good, outside of warranty, big risk.
I can't find any cheap Alfa Romeo here in Southern California. They are holding value better than BMWs and Jaguars. Audi is just malicious and incompetent junk with engines that fail and must be replaced (timing belt and chain failure resulting in valve piston collision)
This is true. I have a 2019 Ti Sport Giulia. I negotiated the price down to 36k new from 49k sticker. Because at the time (feb 2020) they weren’t selling. Now it’s still worth 32k with 18k miles on it. The Ti Sport/Veloce versions are desirable.
@@allenpaul102 BMW, Jaguar, Range Rover and Audi dump in value. Mercedes, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, most Mercedes and Lexus hold value. I started looking for a cheap Alfa after I couldn't find a cheap enough Ghibli: I couldn't find either. Fiat 500 had a cheap moment went original owners dumped their cars after warranty was over, now they have all gone up in value from bottom here in California, especially because of the fuel efficiency. Volkswagen, Audi, BMW and essential all American and British cars lose the most value the fastest
@@allenpaul102 Plenty of E46 BMWs are listed 2k or less. Some E90 BMWs are listed for less than 6k now. S class and C class Mercedes lose value the fastest, with S class new for around 100k, lose 80-90% after 10 years and go worthless after 20 years
@@dare2scheme904 Maserati definitely does not hold its value 😂
@@Maximob-dm5wi dumbtruck, this isn't a matter of opinion: 2005 Quattroporte base was 95.5k new and today doesn't go below 10k. 2005 S500 base was 83.9k new and are essentially worthless today going for less than 2k very easily and there is no shortage of them in the junkyards. Maserati roadster models are more expensive than the Quattroporte. Go talk to someone about things you might actually have some knowledge about, because you don't know a damn thing about this here.
My quads got exhaust filter blow off valve oedal tune allffismio tuned other than battery...perfect 50,000 miles it's been more reliable than my m3 and my c63amg
This guy says “Italian cars are expensive because they are overpriced” but he didn’t get documented on the billions they spent for the actual platform and the Ferrari and Maserati engineers that were involved in realizing the Stelvio and Giulia. He is totally ignorant about the subject.
As usually people have there opinions and don't own one both of mine other than battery they have been great
cheers
50 thousand miles plus on both which I forgot to mention both tuned and exhaust