I was at a church for 10/11 years...in leadership...cooking/feeding for 50-100 every week ....my heart wasnt to get recognized....it was to serve.... I found plout after i had to leave...the leadership didnt like from the beginning... What I went through left me with SEVERE PTSD ...THE man who says hes pastor did exactly what u explained ....Theres MUCH MUCH more...💔😭🤦 HELP!!
In order for a pastor to receive care from the church when they need it, they would have to be humble enough to acknowledge their need and receive care. Many pastors I’ve rubbed shoulders with can’t or won’t do this- even when their insecurity and woundedness is plain to the “sheep” around them.
Humility is key. Here is a great conversation on humility >> ua-cam.com/video/2tsL59xXd68/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared Hope you find it interesting... blessings!
One will not be able to make disciples and raise up leaders if they are not transparent and humble enough to own their weaknesses. Excellent leaders are surrounded by others who hold them accountable. They realize it is for their own good.
Gerald, yes, that is the great challenge. Are leaders willing to be authentically humble and own their weaknesses? Do they believe in the leaders around them and take onboard the sincere feedback they are providing to them? Great insight here: "Excellent leaders are surrounded by others who hold them accountable. They realize it is for their own good."
I just stopped going to organized church for the first time in my life, because of unrepentant spiritual and verbal abuse from my pastor. I am a widow. Somehow, I am now evil to most of whom I thought were my brothers and sisters in Christ, I thought we agape loved each other. I was not the only one abused over all these years, the "pastor" has a blood trail quite far behind him. The rejection and abuse culture is almost worse than the abuse itself. THIS IS NOT CHURCH. I no longer want to participate in the audience of performances from the pulpit. "The theif comes to steal, kill, and destroy." These so called pastor's, and their precious puppet leadership team, are the thieves that The Good Shepherd was referring to in this verse in John 10. We don't have a clue what a scriptural gathering of God's people really is in the western world. Right now my 5 children and I gather with a couple dozen of compassionate believers who also left that so called "church". Those that left were either abused themselves, recognized our trial as true, or saw the claws and fangs of the wolf, ever so cleverly disguised as a sheep, pretending to be a child of God. The blasphemy in the pulpits and church leadership. Puts a whole meaning on "Thou shalt not use the name of the LORD your God in vain." We are a mess, and we are deeply loved by the LORD, while disdained by this world. Who knew that that being spotted by the world is so prevalent inside the 4 walls we call "church". James 1:26-27 #letGodbetrue
It seems that abusive pastors actually never learn to apply the gospel to their own lives and their own suffering and seek to make their own "gospel" by making sacrifices of those who are under their care as offerings of atonement to their own hearts and wounds. =(
A sad reality, unfortunately, in many cases. This is one of the reasons we are committed to working with pastors, to help them overcome some of their own brokenness. God can work through us if we are willing to allow him to work in us. Blessings!
There are several gifts Paul spoke of: Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, and Teachers. Where is Pastor? And why is the "pastor" the most prominent and treated as the most important? Where does scripture teach or model this? Where does it teach that one person has authority over a group of people? Pastor gets a salary plus offerings, benefits, cars, homes, etc. Where does scripture teach that? It doesn't. THAT is the root of the problem. Organized religion and a booming business that has zero to do with the true church. Just read Acts. Bad root, bad fruit.
Thank you for good talk together. What is teh limit for not good pastorship? I have been suffering from not getting engaged talks for 40 years, priests haven't dedicated themselves more than just during the talk,, not got to know me, not gone deeper where change and growth can happen. OK, normal ones can manage themeselves, but not when in dire need in harsher situations. But maybe it is I who am wrong in this respect? They themselves certainly have said they don't have to do anything further from some esae in the moment, support more superficially without engagement.MAybe itäs me needing sth outside their scope/task. And it should be the (Swed.) Diacon/helper (Idk the term of profession in English), since only they can interact with society..
Pastors are just human being, they need not to act as if they are superpower. They have no power at all outside God. I don't know if they are really called by God. All saved Christians are called by God for His purpose and glory. If the pastors are special why does in the book of Jeremiah called pastors as brutish?
More pastors are already controlled by the devil because of their greediness for filthy lucre. They want easy money that's why they too are no longer open to advices from other pastors. Their assistants are younger so tbat tbey could be easily manipulated and dismissed if they commit mistakes.
I was at a church for 10/11 years...in leadership...cooking/feeding for 50-100 every week ....my heart wasnt to get recognized....it was to serve....
I found plout after i had to leave...the leadership didnt like from the beginning...
What I went through left me with SEVERE PTSD ...THE man who says hes pastor did exactly what u explained ....Theres MUCH MUCH more...💔😭🤦
HELP!!
About protecting the system, unfortunately is not only in America. Unfortunately it is all over 😢
Never put any pastor on a pedestal. They are not God.
In order for a pastor to receive care from the church when they need it, they would have to be humble enough to acknowledge their need and receive care. Many pastors I’ve rubbed shoulders with can’t or won’t do this- even when their insecurity and woundedness is plain to the “sheep” around them.
Humility heals or preserves you from lots of ills that afflict the proud.
Humility is key. Here is a great conversation on humility >> ua-cam.com/video/2tsL59xXd68/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Hope you find it interesting... blessings!
One will not be able to make disciples and raise up leaders if they are not transparent and humble enough to own their weaknesses. Excellent leaders are surrounded by others who hold them accountable. They realize it is for their own good.
Gerald, yes, that is the great challenge. Are leaders willing to be authentically humble and own their weaknesses? Do they believe in the leaders around them and take onboard the sincere feedback they are providing to them? Great insight here: "Excellent leaders are surrounded by others who hold them accountable. They realize it is for their own good."
Well said.
THANK GOD FOR THIS LIVE!!
Glad you found this episode meaningful. Blessings!
I just stopped going to organized church for the first time in my life, because of unrepentant spiritual and verbal abuse from my pastor. I am a widow. Somehow, I am now evil to most of whom I thought were my brothers and sisters in Christ, I thought we agape loved each other. I was not the only one abused over all these years, the "pastor" has a blood trail quite far behind him. The rejection and abuse culture is almost worse than the abuse itself. THIS IS NOT CHURCH. I no longer want to participate in the audience of performances from the pulpit. "The theif comes to steal, kill, and destroy." These so called pastor's, and their precious puppet leadership team, are the thieves that The Good Shepherd was referring to in this verse in John 10. We don't have a clue what a scriptural gathering of God's people really is in the western world. Right now my 5 children and I gather with a couple dozen of compassionate believers who also left that so called "church". Those that left were either abused themselves, recognized our trial as true, or saw the claws and fangs of the wolf, ever so cleverly disguised as a sheep, pretending to be a child of God. The blasphemy in the pulpits and church leadership. Puts a whole meaning on "Thou shalt not use the name of the LORD your God in vain."
We are a mess, and we are deeply loved by the LORD, while disdained by this world. Who knew that that being spotted by the world is so prevalent inside the 4 walls we call "church". James 1:26-27
#letGodbetrue
I get it. I'm right there with you. God bless you and your group.
@@StandUp777 Thank you for your compassion. 1 Thessalonians 3:12
@@christinefernandez559 you are most welcome. God loves you so much!
@@StandUp777 Oh, how He loves us!
It seems that abusive pastors actually never learn to apply the gospel to their own lives and their own suffering and seek to make their own "gospel" by making sacrifices of those who are under their care as offerings of atonement to their own hearts and wounds. =(
A sad reality, unfortunately, in many cases. This is one of the reasons we are committed to working with pastors, to help them overcome some of their own brokenness. God can work through us if we are willing to allow him to work in us. Blessings!
They should be confronted every time they abuse their flock.
There are several gifts Paul spoke of: Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, and Teachers. Where is Pastor? And why is the "pastor" the most prominent and treated as the most important? Where does scripture teach or model this? Where does it teach that one person has authority over a group of people? Pastor gets a salary plus offerings, benefits, cars, homes, etc. Where does scripture teach that? It doesn't. THAT is the root of the problem. Organized religion and a booming business that has zero to do with the true church. Just read Acts. Bad root, bad fruit.
Exactly!!!
The tree is bad the fruit would also be evil.
Mark Cancia, The Salvation Army
Blessings, Mark! Praying for you and The Salvation Army
I have friends we met that were pastors probably surprised and confused too. I know they made jokes cause it was so ridiculous
Thank you for good talk together. What is teh limit for not good pastorship? I have been suffering from not getting engaged talks for 40 years, priests haven't dedicated themselves more than just during the talk,, not got to know me, not gone deeper where change and growth can happen. OK, normal ones can manage themeselves, but not when in dire need in harsher situations. But maybe it is I who am wrong in this respect? They themselves certainly have said they don't have to do anything further from some esae in the moment, support more superficially without engagement.MAybe itäs me needing sth outside their scope/task. And it should be the (Swed.) Diacon/helper (Idk the term of profession in English), since only they can interact with society..
Sorry. It is difficult to understand what you are saying.
Pastors are just human being, they need not to act as if they are superpower. They have no power at all outside God. I don't know if they are really called by God. All saved Christians are called by God for His purpose and glory. If the pastors are special why does in the book of Jeremiah called pastors as brutish?
Love the advice to have counselors from another denomination. Otherwise you are just working out of an echo chamber.
Thank you. Blessings!
More pastors are already controlled by the devil because of their greediness for filthy lucre. They want easy money that's why they too are no longer open to advices from other pastors. Their assistants are younger so tbat tbey could be easily manipulated and dismissed if they commit mistakes.
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