I had major issues with heists because it splits the game in two (i feel anyway). As an average/above average gamer (25+ hours weekly), I feel like you choose to persue a single endgame if you want to do heist. That wasn't a HUGE deal with Heist league, as Harvest didn't go core until now and the Atlas was stale. But given how AMAZING the Atlas feels right now, and how profitable it can be (2-3ex an hour in harvest crafts alone, not counting essences/whatever else), I think you'd be nuts to be doing Heist right now. To each their own though. If Heist is what people enjoy, have at it. I know people who still farm Betrayal 24/7 every league /shrug
@@Excaliber158 I farm betrayal Q_Q....People buy my benches its a good side income especially once you finished setting up your board and now with the +1 guaranteed. which was the slowest part.
One more thing: Increased item quantity and rarity from your gear doesn't do anything for heists. Only heist gear affects the loot in here so getting brooches and trinkets is the most important thing to do if you want to maximize your heist loots. This also means that you don't have to skimp your build for iiq so you can go ahead and use your strongest gear.
Extra tips. Revealing an entire wing can cost significantly less then revealing the rooms one by one specially the first extra wing. Discount can be close to 5k-10k. You also get to reveal 8-9 rooms and it only ever uses 6 reveals. Low on blue prints high on rogue markers the first room being fully revealed can be great for increasing total profits.
At first i actually thought you could only do 1 wing per grand heist maximum but i didn't realised that the alert level was for each independant wing. Learning more everyday, thank you Ziz keep up the good content!
as an experienced heist player who is good at maths down to the very last chrome orb I can tell you that the comments on here saying contracts are trash are a little out dated and misinformed. The trouble with contracts is people do not put a value on reveals. The reveal at the end of a contract is a point you can spend on a grand heists to reveal icons on the blueprints which is an investment. That investment is not free it cost you time and effort to farm, that reveal point is worth a value. That value is 5c, when you take this into consideration mindless spamming contracts become very good profit. That means every contract you run with Gianna gives you 10c in reveal value (sometimes 15c when she procs if you have rogue gear with extra chance for reveal), the run cost on trade league for doing a contract is from 2 to 4c if you buy from discord tft. So the reveal alone has made you profit if you know how to use it correctly. Not only do you profit from the reveals you gain a net positive rogue market profit from running moderate value contracts. Running blueprints does increase profits however we can no longer fracture to keep reveals on blueprints but we can beast split good blueprints to keep the good icons. So the smartest play is to use split beasts on a very nice Blueprint which has the best icon proft and rogue setup then you reveal only what is value to you as the reveal cost to you is 5c per click + rogue marker cost. If you assign a value to the run cost in this method you will find that a grand heist can cost you up to 200c to produce a blueprint worthy to run but it will produce profit in the range of 25-50c per run. The safer low risk strat this league is to buy cheap blueprints with any rolls from discord or trade and reveal just a couple of rooms and icons which feel they have value and if you consider that the reveal point cost you 5c per icon you want that blueprint to produce you 50c profit after adding up all the reveals you used. Both strats do produce very good profit I made a headhunter on trade league in 3 days farming them this late into league.
So, I just used some of the methodology of this video and made my first serious grand heist... first room I opened with Karst... 3 exalted shards. I've literally only gotten one since playing this game ever. Holy crap. Thanks Ziz for some guidance on this!!!!!!
Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one that loves Heist. I don't really care about the door stuff and it goes faster the more you play anyway. Stupid profitable and easy to target farm what you need in SSF. It feels like fixed Betrayal so I hope we get more designs like this going forward. Thanks for the video. Some useful tips in there.
On softcore you can just go out and back in again before taking the last item so you won't lose everything on death. Kinda stupid, but 30 sec to backtrack is worth it if you got something good.
Realized today after a couple years that I haven’t subbed to you, how have I overlooked that? Appreciate the helpful content and am great full you’re in the PoE community.
hiest could be 10x more profitable than everything else, and I still wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. It's the first league I ever quit because of the league itself (the only other league I quit was legion, but thats because my computer died, and was unable to be repaired until I no longer had the time to actively play the league)
@@Valaryant. many reasons. Different people have different reasons. Boring. Laggy. Tedious to level the rogues and gear them. But if you're playing ssf, it's actually not that bad. You have a definite way of making good currency for crafting when you're low. Just run a few heists, and you'll have some more scours or alchs. Or chaos even. Ssf really makes you enjoy the small drops and accomplishments.
*Protip:* On Grand Heists you can exit between Wings through the portal to drop off stuff in your Stash and go back in. And if you get something extremely valuable you can exit before triggering the alarm/lockdown and still go back in, the moment you exit those items are no longer contraband so you won't lose them on death.
Fucking love you Ziz. I have been avoiding Heist for the majority of this entire league and you explaining how it all works has got me interested in trying it again!
Pro-tips for new heist players: you will be leveling multiple heist characters at the same time and they have overlap on skills. Try to not level characters with lower level 1 heists if you have higher level heists for them to level on. You will be needing the lower level ones for other characters. I also found it worthwhile to wait to run lower level regular heists until you find the green quest heists to unlock more characters in order to level them as you want, and so the heists are easier/faster.
the one thing missing, .. always at least make those gear items for your buddies magic .. if not rare .. the buffs make your heists cheaper, more rewarding, finish faster, the fights easyer etc .. using a regular item for yor buddies in crime is ... kinda pointless (not to speak of leaving slots open)
there are some things i did or noticed during heists: On gear i always focused reduced alert level then increased time before lockdown and lastly reduced marker costs (travelling fee, hiring fee) ofc. you try to get chance to duplicate currency on brooches tho.. Another thing: if you get a +1 all skills on nenet she also has counter thaumaturgy at level 5 which makes niles irrelevant (since i consider him the weakest of the 9 besides huck) and lets you open all chests in grand heists more consistently. also getting a masters main skill to level 6 (or even 7) you get an upgrade to their passive which is nice but hard to roll for sometimes.
The cheat shit forgot to mention that Trap Disarment on lvl5 is from Venderi... wich has 2 skills to lvl5 :V Also, is good to know that, while you are on the countdown to get the alarm, you still can open the final reward (that will trigget the alarm) or open any other box (that will reduce the countdown timer) so sometimes even when the bar is almost full you can try checking the reward you are going to pick and then go back and grab some smallers chest, then run to pick your heist reward.
I took contracts and coins off my SSF filter a couple of days into 3.13 and haven't looked back. Running Heists and managing rogues feels terrible. Still watching the video for some reason.
Not sure if just my builds or what, but lvl 70 or so heists seem more rippy than lvl 70 any other content in the game. And it's not consistently rippy either. I've been able to facetank on some heists with difficult modifiers, and yet get pretty much one shot in other heists with not that difficult modifiers and this is with very little gaps if any in defense (capped all res, fortify, high enough armor for 80% mitigation without flasks, and some block/dodge). The random death rate in a lvl 70 heist for me is about as high as in a rare influenced red maps, which just seems off to me.
The issue is being able to delve +500 unless you have a specific char. I love both heist and delve a bit here and there when I'm tired of farming Sirus
I literally had no idea how to even start this mechanic until just now watching your video which is the day of ultimatum lmao. All I had to do was right click lmao I was seriously just looking for a person to give those things too.
Heist may be profitable but it's worse than walking through a frozen wasteland naked, so I deleted everything heist related from my drop filter and am pretending it never went core.
@@Valaryant. When you could causally make 10 exalt/hour doing grand heists it was boring and dull and I stopped doing it. Now that I would have to manually reveal the bps and get less loot etc. Not even going to run a single grand heist. Sadly the alt gems are behind this huge time sink.
Yo ziz its important to know That if u are doing GH or contracts u can save That juicy loot without risk of dying. U go in droped ex And u dont want to lose it u can go outside to main doors And contraband is vanishing And then u can go for something else without risk of losing your droped ex
just so much depth to this game.. lmao, I only played a couple of hours cuz I dont have that much time to play atm, but ill definitely give it a solid go when I'm more free, been liking the content, at least the parts I partially understand lol
I do enjoy Heists, they are just relaxing to play and you can kinda slow down and just get a bunch of loot. The Grand Heists are a bit annoying but you can also get some really cool stuff.
My little secrete is out. This is the 3rd heist video ive seen this week and the prices of even low level contracts have went up to 15c plus in the last day.
Heist is cool, but I hate it, at least on console. Used almost all my markers and reveals to build up a super juicy 4 wing grand heist. Was in the first wing when my new Xbox series X crashed (do NOT buy one if these yet, crashes daily). Returned to POE and found I had lost the entire blueprint.... and all this was AFTER I had encountered an “invisible” monster in one of the rooms (which from your video I think may have been a trap) which shot out blobs of green gunk which in the small room was unavoidable and instant kill. Couldnt find the monster to kill it, ended up dying 4 times. THEN the crash occurred. Once I get over this and thanks to your vid, will give it another shot in a few days :-) thanks!
After I’ve started doing heist, I am of the opinion that it’s just a better version of delve. It’s something that you can just do forever if you want to and it generates insane profit. But unlike delve there’s also a lot of great voice acting and banter and you know ahead of time what potential rewards there are and you can pick and choose versus in delve you just hope you hit the right rooms
I enjoy easy currency from heist, but I really wish they made the rogue harbor a private instance again. My GPU fans get so loud when I'm there just trying to turn stuff in lol.
"It's not worth it to repeatedly run the first quest contract by not completing it." It's not anymore, but on league launch, I literally got *every* req. level 45 and under jewelery in the game doing it :P (including 6 Band of the Brotherhoods and a Loreweave)
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Do you like Heist or are you normal?
(I'm joking don't slap me)
Cheat sheet here: i.imgur.com/Hu5xzhV.jpg
the portal loss problems are def not fixed (im playing sc trade maybe that makes a difference)
Fuck heist. All my homies hate heist.
I had major issues with heists because it splits the game in two (i feel anyway). As an average/above average gamer (25+ hours weekly), I feel like you choose to persue a single endgame if you want to do heist. That wasn't a HUGE deal with Heist league, as Harvest didn't go core until now and the Atlas was stale. But given how AMAZING the Atlas feels right now, and how profitable it can be (2-3ex an hour in harvest crafts alone, not counting essences/whatever else), I think you'd be nuts to be doing Heist right now.
To each their own though. If Heist is what people enjoy, have at it. I know people who still farm Betrayal 24/7 every league /shrug
@@Excaliber158 I farm betrayal Q_Q....People buy my benches its a good side income especially once you finished setting up your board and now with the +1 guaranteed. which was the slowest part.
I hate Heist. I love Rituals. I skip all Rituals. I run Heists all day. Just because Heist is rewarding and Rituals are not.
I was hoping in your intro that you were going to struggle with a door.
One more thing: Increased item quantity and rarity from your gear doesn't do anything for heists. Only heist gear affects the loot in here so getting brooches and trinkets is the most important thing to do if you want to maximize your heist loots. This also means that you don't have to skimp your build for iiq so you can go ahead and use your strongest gear.
Extra tips. Revealing an entire wing can cost significantly less then revealing the rooms one by one specially the first extra wing. Discount can be close to 5k-10k. You also get to reveal 8-9 rooms and it only ever uses 6 reveals. Low on blue prints high on rogue markers the first room being fully revealed can be great for increasing total profits.
You don't need to take the great heist plan to the different stations. Just leave it at one of the stations and it'll be available everywhere
The craziest thing about this video is how he gets more than 14 fps in Rogue’s Harbour.
Welcome to SSFHC
big true
At first i actually thought you could only do 1 wing per grand heist maximum but i didn't realised that the alert level was for each independant wing. Learning more everyday, thank you Ziz keep up the good content!
Great timing, I was about to look for a video like this, I missed the last league so it's all new to me
The job speed modifier on the brooch is global, so if you do a lot of grand heists, that's definitely worth rolling for as well.
as an experienced heist player who is good at maths down to the very last chrome orb I can tell you that the comments on here saying contracts are trash are a little out dated and misinformed. The trouble with contracts is people do not put a value on reveals. The reveal at the end of a contract is a point you can spend on a grand heists to reveal icons on the blueprints which is an investment. That investment is not free it cost you time and effort to farm, that reveal point is worth a value. That value is 5c, when you take this into consideration mindless spamming contracts become very good profit. That means every contract you run with Gianna gives you 10c in reveal value (sometimes 15c when she procs if you have rogue gear with extra chance for reveal), the run cost on trade league for doing a contract is from 2 to 4c if you buy from discord tft. So the reveal alone has made you profit if you know how to use it correctly. Not only do you profit from the reveals you gain a net positive rogue market profit from running moderate value contracts. Running blueprints does increase profits however we can no longer fracture to keep reveals on blueprints but we can beast split good blueprints to keep the good icons. So the smartest play is to use split beasts on a very nice Blueprint which has the best icon proft and rogue setup then you reveal only what is value to you as the reveal cost to you is 5c per click + rogue marker cost. If you assign a value to the run cost in this method you will find that a grand heist can cost you up to 200c to produce a blueprint worthy to run but it will produce profit in the range of 25-50c per run. The safer low risk strat this league is to buy cheap blueprints with any rolls from discord or trade and reveal just a couple of rooms and icons which feel they have value and if you consider that the reveal point cost you 5c per icon you want that blueprint to produce you 50c profit after adding up all the reveals you used. Both strats do produce very good profit I made a headhunter on trade league in 3 days farming them this late into league.
So, I just used some of the methodology of this video and made my first serious grand heist... first room I opened with Karst... 3 exalted shards. I've literally only gotten one since playing this game ever. Holy crap. Thanks Ziz for some guidance on this!!!!!!
Came for the intro, stayed for the rest. Ziz is a bro, and he is the best.
Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one that loves Heist. I don't really care about the door stuff and it goes faster the more you play anyway. Stupid profitable and easy to target farm what you need in SSF. It feels like fixed Betrayal so I hope we get more designs like this going forward.
Thanks for the video. Some useful tips in there.
One of the only content creators that gets me to WANT to press the like button in the first 3 seconds of a video.
On softcore you can just go out and back in again before taking the last item so you won't lose everything on death. Kinda stupid, but 30 sec to backtrack is worth it if you got something good.
It's the same for hardcore, Ziz got it wrong, no need for logging out.
@@sujimayne bruh he said you CANT logout.
Realized today after a couple years that I haven’t subbed to you, how have I overlooked that? Appreciate the helpful content and am great full you’re in the PoE community.
I actually really love heist, I don't run maps super fast so the stop and go nature of Heist works well for me personally.
I do heists when I ran out of master missions and red maps. It's actually cathartic ans chill. Compared to the constant run and gun of t16 maps.
that sneaky run away at the beggining xD. U are the best professor Ziz
hiest could be 10x more profitable than everything else, and I still wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. It's the first league I ever quit because of the league itself (the only other league I quit was legion, but thats because my computer died, and was unable to be repaired until I no longer had the time to actively play the league)
Why wouldn't u touch it?
@@Valaryant. many reasons. Different people have different reasons. Boring. Laggy. Tedious to level the rogues and gear them. But if you're playing ssf, it's actually not that bad. You have a definite way of making good currency for crafting when you're low. Just run a few heists, and you'll have some more scours or alchs. Or chaos even. Ssf really makes you enjoy the small drops and accomplishments.
@@ONor_r I see, thank u for the info
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will grant just give me all your contracts and BP then ROFL
@@AtlantisArch I literally removed heist content from my lootfilter
I had to replay the intro 3 times. Too good
*Protip:*
On Grand Heists you can exit between Wings through the portal to drop off stuff in your Stash and go back in. And if you get something extremely valuable you can exit before triggering the alarm/lockdown and still go back in, the moment you exit those items are no longer contraband so you won't lose them on death.
You can use portals between wings? LOL
You can exit a normal heist pre-lockdown to secure loot drops too.
Ziz mentioned that and did it too
That intro is alone worth a like
thank you dude, i know this a bit late. but i started checking out heist and this helps so much
very good guide, thanks for this 1. i might have played more heist if this was out back then haha
Fucking love you Ziz.
I have been avoiding Heist for the majority of this entire league and you explaining how it all works has got me interested in trying it again!
thank you i almost undrstand how it's work , nice video
Thanks Ziz. I've been avoiding heists for a while because they didn't seem worth doing. This is good to know.
Heists are more profitable than Delve. Delve only becomes more profitable if you go very deep. I run both and you should, too.
Pro-tips for new heist players: you will be leveling multiple heist characters at the same time and they have overlap on skills. Try to not level characters with lower level 1 heists if you have higher level heists for them to level on. You will be needing the lower level ones for other characters. I also found it worthwhile to wait to run lower level regular heists until you find the green quest heists to unlock more characters in order to level them as you want, and so the heists are easier/faster.
bro that start is just way to goooood
the one thing missing, .. always at least make those gear items for your buddies magic .. if not rare .. the buffs make your heists cheaper, more rewarding, finish faster, the fights easyer etc .. using a regular item for yor buddies in crime is ... kinda pointless (not to speak of leaving slots open)
there are some things i did or noticed during heists:
On gear i always focused reduced alert level then increased time before lockdown and lastly reduced marker costs (travelling fee, hiring fee)
ofc. you try to get chance to duplicate currency on brooches tho..
Another thing: if you get a +1 all skills on nenet she also has counter thaumaturgy at level 5 which makes niles irrelevant (since i consider him the weakest of the 9 besides huck) and lets you open all chests in grand heists more consistently.
also getting a masters main skill to level 6 (or even 7) you get an upgrade to their passive which is nice but hard to roll for sometimes.
You're getting better and better at explaining things :)
was lost in heist, wont be anymore with this guide thank you!
thank you @zizaran for all the content.
idk about you guys but i live for those intros
The cheat shit forgot to mention that Trap Disarment on lvl5 is from Venderi... wich has 2 skills to lvl5 :V
Also, is good to know that, while you are on the countdown to get the alarm, you still can open the final reward (that will trigget the alarm) or open any other box (that will reduce the countdown timer) so sometimes even when the bar is almost full you can try checking the reward you are going to pick and then go back and grab some smallers chest, then run to pick your heist reward.
I took contracts and coins off my SSF filter a couple of days into 3.13 and haven't looked back. Running Heists and managing rogues feels terrible.
Still watching the video for some reason.
It just doesn't feel right running contracts knowing you could be enjoying the incresible new atlas instead
Not sure if just my builds or what, but lvl 70 or so heists seem more rippy than lvl 70 any other content in the game. And it's not consistently rippy either. I've been able to facetank on some heists with difficult modifiers, and yet get pretty much one shot in other heists with not that difficult modifiers and this is with very little gaps if any in defense (capped all res, fortify, high enough armor for 80% mitigation without flasks, and some block/dodge). The random death rate in a lvl 70 heist for me is about as high as in a rare influenced red maps, which just seems off to me.
The enemies seem to crit more often and are heavy on phys damage.
Heist is more profitable but Delve is more fun. Delve only becomes more profitable if you Delve at 500+ and do rotas on 840.
The issue is being able to delve +500 unless you have a specific char. I love both heist and delve a bit here and there when I'm tired of farming Sirus
I skipped heist because of bugs so I'm lost.. thanks for the guide! I've just been yeeting contracts and gear for the members
I literally had no idea how to even start this mechanic until just now watching your video which is the day of ultimatum lmao. All I had to do was right click lmao I was seriously just looking for a person to give those things too.
I'm really liking all of the new content you've been putting out lately it's been extremely helpful :)
Heist may be profitable but it's worse than walking through a frozen wasteland naked, so I deleted everything heist related from my drop filter and am pretending it never went core.
Could u elaborate please?
@@Valaryant. When you could causally make 10 exalt/hour doing grand heists it was boring and dull and I stopped doing it. Now that I would have to manually reveal the bps and get less loot etc. Not even going to run a single grand heist. Sadly the alt gems are behind this huge time sink.
@@scubaman2003 oh damn..
Yo ziz its important to know That if u are doing GH or contracts u can save That juicy loot without risk of dying. U go in droped ex And u dont want to lose it u can go outside to main doors And contraband is vanishing And then u can go for something else without risk of losing your droped ex
Thanks for all the content ziz. I know you've made the game easier and more enjoyable for new players!
I keep clicking on the vid not even for the content at first but just for the intro !
This is the funniest intro ever! Love it!
you can go vendor aswell if you go out before taking the last reward. Then all the small things you found before is safed aswell
hahaha i hoped for a good intro and i wasnt dissapointed well done!
*thumbs up* for that pro scurry after obtaining the heist target.
just so much depth to this game.. lmao, I only played a couple of hours cuz I dont have that much time to play atm, but ill definitely give it a solid go when I'm more free, been liking the content, at least the parts I partially understand lol
Great guide ! Thanks !
Hi. Do you have a link or guide to the build you are playing in this Video ?
what build are you running in this video?
Do you have a link on POB for the character you are running in this video? Appreciate all you do for the community.
nice parody of heisting, at begin of clip!
COOL!
i literally laughed to tears after this intro
yeah LOL
I do enjoy Heists, they are just relaxing to play and you can kinda slow down and just get a bunch of loot. The Grand Heists are a bit annoying but you can also get some really cool stuff.
My little secrete is out. This is the 3rd heist video ive seen this week and the prices of even low level contracts have went up to 15c plus in the last day.
Intro was 10/10.
God dammit Ziz xD! Your creativity knows no bounds, knows no bounds :D 11/10 intro!
Heist is cool, but I hate it, at least on console. Used almost all my markers and reveals to build up a super juicy 4 wing grand heist. Was in the first wing when my new Xbox series X crashed (do NOT buy one if these yet, crashes daily). Returned to POE and found I had lost the entire blueprint.... and all this was AFTER I had encountered an “invisible” monster in one of the rooms (which from your video I think may have been a trap) which shot out blobs of green gunk which in the small room was unavoidable and instant kill. Couldnt find the monster to kill it, ended up dying 4 times. THEN the crash occurred. Once I get over this and thanks to your vid, will give it another shot in a few days :-) thanks!
Still super helpful, thanks ziz
Love your highly professional intros!
Ziz setting new fashion trends in 2021
I haven't done a single heist yet this league... Didn't even finish the quest to use a Rogue marker 😹
Excellent timing, and intro
Ziz dumbing down Heist is like a post-doc professor making a class for PhD candidates.
You should have mentioned that grand heist reveal costs 2K markers :D I was thrilled to play my first, but all my money went to hell
These intro are getting better and better LUL
Intro - awesome!
subbed 90% for the intros
Auto thumbs up just for the intro
Your intros are so much fun! Lovin your content.tysvm
thank you for the tips i will use it thanks so much
Bro. Your intros have gotten so good.
After I’ve started doing heist, I am of the opinion that it’s just a better version of delve. It’s something that you can just do forever if you want to and it generates insane profit. But unlike delve there’s also a lot of great voice acting and banter and you know ahead of time what potential rewards there are and you can pick and choose versus in delve you just hope you hit the right rooms
These intros are gold.
Best intro everrrrrrrrrrrrrr...................... awesome guide friend, :D
dude the video intros are quite funny! keep that up
Honestly thanks to hucks change to give more experience, heist is my fav way of levelling up, safer than mapping atm.
Watching to learn something about Heist 2:09 : “WTF you can scroll the map overlay?!” 🤯
I haven’t entered rogue harbor once this league 😂
Thank you Ziz for the explanation of Heist. I just play standard league because I don't have the time to level a new char very 3 months.
I enjoy easy currency from heist, but I really wish they made the rogue harbor a private instance again. My GPU fans get so loud when I'm there just trying to turn stuff in lol.
Yes ziz. Waiting for this one.
What’s build are you running in this video
This video was so helpful.
your intros are getting better and bettter
I removed Heist's things from my loot filter and my life is better now
Ziz confirmed owns a ski mask!
That intro tho 👌
Your intros are getting more interesting.
"It's not worth it to repeatedly run the first quest contract by not completing it."
It's not anymore, but on league launch, I literally got *every* req. level 45 and under jewelery in the game doing it :P (including 6 Band of the Brotherhoods and a Loreweave)
Are you saying “it’s not anymore” because this has been nerfed? Or because of the point we are at in this league’s progression?
@@cannonpalms4249 It was "fixed" in a patch after launch: "The 'Contract: Trial Run' Heist quest contract now contains less valuable rewards."
awesome video man!
how your Heist area can be so low on people ? everytime i get in there, lots of people around the map lagging the fucking shit out of it
that intro xD thumps up!!!!
That's the best intro :D:D I cant stop laughing
very accurate reenactment :O
is heist still worth ? Or are there other league mechanics just being more worth doing than heists