Why is everyone using these 2 body armours?
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
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Ziz, when you mention a thing, can you give a 1 sentence summary of what it does? For instance 'Lightning Coil is a unique that has 30% of Physical Damage from Hits taken as Lightning Damage'. That would make your explanations 10x better.
Note: it’s 50% now!
Yep, + that, I had to wait until he hovers the item and pause the video to figure out why it is good
Just highlighting a stat that makes unique great instead of name-dropping it would make so much difference
Yeah, like lightning coil for its 50% phys to lightning damage taken
That would significantly slow the pace of the video and cause him to lose engagement among people not super new. As a generalisation it's likely fair to suggest PoE players typically know how to use a search engine.
@intdoublecharbool no it wouldn't
Yes please make more videos similar to this! I think it would be really awesome and informative if you made a series explaining how you create a build.
The transition fo the sponsored part of the video AND the jokes in it were impeccable.
Very well done guide for damage conversion!
I just learned thanks to you how to find monster damage templates like with the Shaper's abilities.
Though I wonder about a little detail, when PoB states the maximum amount of hits if it counts them all at once or if it calculates delays between hits.
Because between hits you still have access to a form of regen such as recoup, leech or generic life regen so it increases your maximum hits taken even further.
It won't count delays between hits because there are so many different monsters that have different attack speeds. Think of it more like "A pack of this mob just surrounded me and I can tank this many hitting me at the same time before I get sent to the void"
Good video, I 'knew' this before (or thought I did), but listening to it explained in this detail was actually very eye opening
Please more of those videos... i can finally understand more of these as a new player.
I'm currently using a chest for offerings for my build for the benefits of offerings on a non-minion build, but i've thought of at least 4 different ways to play this character with different ascendencies, and loving how variable it is.
What you explained about pathfinder made me decide that the next phys character I make is going to be a pathfinder. Might even go bonezone since recoup nodes are not far at all.
Hi, this is extremely helpful. If possible, could you do another vid about Evasion and how it interacts with everything else as a defensive layer? That would be awesome.
way back he made a poe academy video with nugi on this topic, maybe u can find it
@@oxylpoe Thanks a lot. I will check it out.
Hi Scissoring, can you cover how people make things like petrified blood work? I see it a lot on high end builds but don't quite understand how they're getting their max hit up. Seems like they just fall over.
The two methods I've used have been life stacking (9k+ life, then you have 5k to spare) or with pathfinder you can maintain a life flask, which keeps you full hp while allowing petrified blood to still save you if you get bonked a bit hard.
they are super squishy to degens, and petrified blood itself does lower your eHP against single big hits. Personally I don't like it at all, and it's more of a "I want to go low life for pain attunment, but don't want to lose half my life" sort of thing, rather than a defensive layer.
Main thing with petrified blood is that certain interactions fundamentally break the balance of the skill. Three main interactions come to mind to explain why builds want it. First is lowlife scalings. Some builds want to stay on low life for pain attunement or various other reasons, and petrified blood is a huge defensive layer for them.
Other interaction is leech. Leech will not be removed until you reach full life, and you're never reaching full life with petrified blood.
Third is defensive layers that either ignore the downside of petrified blood, or actually benefit from capping your life at a certain value. Pathfinder is a good example because all their sustain is from flasks, so they get an additional life buffer from petrified blood. Also consider items like defiance of destiny, which has the line, "Gain #% of Missing Unreserved Life before being hit by an Enemy". This interaction benefits from being capped at half life.
Petrified blood is mainly utility, on a lot of builds it doesn't increase your theoretical max hit. But it's worth for the other things it provides, and for some builds it absolutely does increase your tankiness considerably
Another big interaction is with Defiance of Destiny and regaining 42% of missing unreserved life before you get hit, which is actually boosted by Petrified Blood making recovery 67% more effective. Stack it with a heap of Damage Recouped as Life and with Viridi’s Veil making you immune to crits and rolling all damage as unlucky and your EHP skyrocket, since you effectively heal off anything that isn’t one-shotting you.
Run it on Chieftain with Cloak of Flame + Dawnbreaker for 60% of Phys taken as Fire as well as easy 90% max ele res, and allocate Juggernaut’s Unbreakable with Forbidden Flesh and Forbidden Flame. And then ofc run Vaal Breach with 100% ignite chance and some sort of prolif on your main skill so you can get fat Hinekora explosions on bosses.
Throw a Progenesis and some chaos res + Soul of Shakari in there, snag corrupted blood immunity from a notable or a GG jewel, and then run a bleed immunity flask (or steelskin, but Molten Shell is better since you want lots of armour) - the only thing left to screw you is ground degen.
Congrats! You’ve successfully created a character with 100k EHP that can take a max ele hit of roughly 120k, while still pumping out 200-300k consistent DPS from corpse explodes and inconsistent 10mil+ ignites on bosses thanks to Vaal Breach. Have fun.
The biggest is progenesis, especially if you can scale the flask effect. Progenesis gives you one shot protection above what your max hp would be without petrified blood. The other largest factors are having huge life recovery and more defensive layers.
For Elementalists, Lightning Coil makes % phys damage from hits get soaked by the Primal Aegis bubble
Ya I never even considered the fact that conversion is getting around overwhelm/penetration. Also didn't know that armour doesn't actually mitigate what it says it will. Very interesting. Still not playing HC lol but I'll look for conversion in the future.
he hit us with the vsauce intro, funniest shit I've ever seen
That was FIRE!
thank you for this! didnt know you couldn't convert damage taken twice. was wondering why i felt so squishy after converting 100% lightning to chaos and fire.
You can convert 100% lightning to chaos and fire, but you cant convert 100% to say fire, and then convert fire to chaos. Say a hit of 100 lightning damage, taken as fire would be 100 fire damage taken. But since there is no fire damage on the original hit, nothing would be converted to chaos.
This was needed, thanks!
Very good video for new and semi-veterans :D. Even I didn't know it changed THAT much.
God jul från Sverige Ziz :)
These kind of videos are amazing! Please make more!
I was looking for a perfect explanation on how to understand boss damage type and how to mitigate it in pob, thanks for explaining so thoroughly. On the "we cant shift damage taken twice" note, can we do phy taken as lightning, then phy taken as fire?
Phys taken as fire and lightning do stack, because they don't really interact with the other, they just shift more damage. What he's saying is that if you had phys taken as fire, and then divine flesh to take 50% of elemental damage as chaos, the fire damage that was converted from physical wouldn't be converted again to chaos.
didn't realize thats how phys reduction actually worked. Thanks.
I still dont understand it xD
Armor does not equal less physical damage taken %. Thats why it says estimated. Things like Endurance Charges, say, 4% less physical damage taken. Armor, does not.
The armor formula is a bit weird to explain, so I will just put it kind of like Ziz does. Armor has a hard cap to how much dmg it can prevent, based on the armor you have. So if you have lets say 75k armor, you might be preventing 90% of damage from white mobs, 85% from magic mobs (who probably do slightly more damage), and then probably only 40% of the big rares. Then, you probably only prevent 10% of the damage uber/pinnacles.
Endurance charges, prevent 4% each. That is not armor (And they do stack together). So we will say the 3 endurance charges reduce the damage by 12%, and then the armor reduces the amount by X. So if you take 100k damage, youll take (88k - ArmorFormulaShitHere) so long as the damage you take is at least 10k. Obviously 100k is a big hit, but I believe endurance charges and armor combined still can't combine past 90% DR in the phys mitigation calculation (AKA before dmg conversions)
@@sillakilla8674
It should be mentioned that damage shift sometimes ( e.g lightning coil ) only works for hits and not dots. e.g phys dr is good versus phys dots.
True, but that's mostly bleeds/corrupting blood which is solved with a flask.
When ziz turned into vsauce I knew it'd be yet another amazing video good work man!!
Thank you for the video thinking about taking Poe more seriously and your videos are a big help
I use CI with Incandescent heart. Mastery phys taken as chaos and helmet. I mean it's not mad tankiness, but enough to feel descent.
This video is exactly what I needed today.. the question I was asking myself lately is how can people tell if they can tank something in HC.
I die a lot this session, so this is the video that I was looking for, thanks!
Really appreciate this!
Great topic and good info. The editing could be better. Multiple restart of fragment.
Hot take: E.S bases should have "X% Physical damage taken as Chaos" by default in their suffix pool. (t5: 2%, t4: 4% t3: 6%, t2: 8%, t1: 10% for chests other items half that amount)
Currently most "ES" builds use a hybrid base (we're talking rare items here), mostly because you have no other way to mitigate phys damage. Chances are that if you by any reason have crafted a ES base (with the exception of warlock this league), you had to add either phys taken as fire/lightning or phys taken as cold. Hybrid bases have straight phys reduction for strength bases and spell suppression for dexterity bases. ES bases have "faster start of ES recharge" but let's be real you can't rely on ES recharge if you don't have enough evasion (hence we go back to hybrid bases). Damage shifting is pretty in flavor for casters, shifting to chaos balance itself because chaos goes through ES. Finally in the case of CI, I personally don't see bad for CI to be the strongest defense option for casters, but I see the point.
too broken with CI
Would need to be a prefix.
@@deathwrow9652 IMO it should be a suffix so you have the option to also get damage taken as elemental as a prefix.
@@Siegram999 that's why it is a hot take. 25% phys damage taken deleted it's quite a substantial amount. But then we have Fortify, so fortify that needs investment just for phys.
@@Siegram999 Incadescant heart exists
How does Pathfinder get all the bonus that you say ?
i cant find anything in the tree that gives anything other then flask bonus.
please elaborate on this.
lol the ad was funny ziz nice
Great transition to in video sponser.
Thanks man
The zizsauce was great lmao
et cetera is Zis new favorite phrase.
TIL Defences :D Thx!
Nice video. Just started playing PoE 3 or 4 weeks ago. So I got a lot to learn :D Oh and I loved the reference to Vsauce ♥
I never realized only 10% of armour was applied to hits. Making the 8% of armour applied to ele hits actually decent. Damn, ive been missing out. thanks.
This thing alone what make Juggernaut so brokenly tanky.
how do you differentiate an expensive yellow Item base with trash?
Please!!! More tank info!
the v-sauce joke for me, made worth a like
I would love to see a simpler breakdown of how the math works with example damage sources, redirection sources, and mitigation sources laid out in Google Sheets for the (what I would consider to be) more complicated interactions like this. It may be easier to visualize and show the interaction from beginning to end making the whole process more clear with why this specific interaction is so good.
PoB is great, don't get me wrong, but there's way to much going on for my (ohh squirrel) adhd/add brain to follow in a technical video like this.
Great topic though! Would love to see more content like this. Subscribed in hopes it sends you down that path!... (of Exile) xD
Edit: Rewording/specifying detail in the math request section for clarity
The Vsauce reference was beautiful 😂
Nice timing for this video.. yesterday my 5k life RF JUG got 1 tapped with wildwood buffed WHITE random mob AUTO ATTACK... i got freaking mad
this kind of video is amazing
We need more sources of (phys taken as) OR phys mitigation for non armor classes. I feel like because armor is the way it is just accentuates the problem when phys is the main problem usually in all aspects….for every class.
elemental is way worse, even the most degenerate tornado shot 2k life players have spell suppression, i would say it goes elemental -> chaos -> phys
@@cykablyat6348yeah cus ur way more likely to die to spells playing ts than melee hits, and spell suppress is pretty easy on ranger whereas phys mitigation is impossible lol
@@cykablyat6348go fight the chicken on the canyon map and tell me ele is scarier than physical lmao. The other responder is right, you just arent being hit by physical
Most damage in POE is elemental so it's easier to shift Phys to ele since we're already capping our resistances. You can either use crafts on armour or use flasks or petrified blood. If you're not a Pathfinder you can have uptime on flasks through the Babala keystone from the unique jewel and a cluster jewel that increases flask effect and duration. There are ways to mitigate the Phys reduction without solely depending on lightning coil, cloak of flames or fourth vow. You just have to figure out what you want to equip that is synergistic with your build and your style of game play alongside your budget.
@@TheModdedwarfare3 go have fun trying to complete the fucking acts without ele resistance, theres no way at this day and age of poe people are so unaware of what is going on in their builds, if you want to actually play the game you need atleast 75% capped resistances, spell suppression and/or fourth vow + divine flesh and something like grace, even then you arent unkillable to ele damage and if you are hardcore you might need even more, for phys damage determ+grace+defiance banner and phys damage as crafts on body and helmet IS ENOUGH FOR HARDCORE AND THERES MORE WAYS TO DO IT TOO YOU CAN GET TO LVL 96 FREE WITHOUT ANY PHYS MITIGATION ON SOFTCORE
I remember waaaaay back when everyone was using LC. Funny that it's back now :D
I bought 6 Starforge PCs because of the rock solid logo, thanks Zizaran!
I also bought a plethora of PCs.
PSA - phys taken as elemental is absolutely busted strong, but is an almost "russian roullette" death sentance in Sims. This is how you expose yourself to the threat of double phys gained as mods, coupled with pen mods.
While overall I choose to use cloak or lightning coil for most of the game outside of sims, the global defenses grasping mail is going to be a far better option if you are looking to grind sims. The conversion chests will work, but you're going to need some strong sources of elemental dmg reduction to not get giga-slapped from the wrong mod set.
100% damage shift and transcendence poggers
this video just kinda blew my mind
time to some how ductape spell supress onto my deep delve boneshatter jug so i can facetank ubershaper :)
There is easy way, if you don't have something amulet-based.
Willowgift.
You got me on that Vsauce joke hahaha 🤣. I've been playing POE since it came out and still havn't cracked end game....pray for me.
Howw you can get there in like 4 days lok
So many builds relying on these conversion steps kind of sends the message that armour isnt doing it's job properly.
I wouldn't mind conversion getting a lovetap if armour could actually stand on it's own two feet instead of being rendered ineffective exactly when you would need it (Big Hits)
I agree. I think armor needs to be reworked a bit, especially when it comes to the data it shows the player vs what it actually does.
It really feels weird that the bottleneck for making a character somewhat tanky is in the chest piece. It basically renders any more unique choice moot because you will reach a certain point where your character just cannot handle any physical damage
10:04 How do you get Eternal Youth Node to turn into Divine Flesh?
How do you farm a lightning coil?
You can farm the divination card "The Coming Storm" which needs 8 cards and gives a lightning coil. I'm not sure which maps drop it but you can check the wiki for the full list.
How do you actuallyy farm a light coil in ssf?
Check in poewiki where's the cards get dropped
wish they would make armour work better at the low end without making it cracked for the top
Old video so I doubt I get a reply, but what is the downside to using a lightning coil? 50% conversion seems so busted and with no obvious downside why doesn’t everyone use this chest piece ?
Lol prices going up🙌🏾
Rat Cage looking kinda good this league honestly.
Z-Sauce, Scissoring here!
Vsauce's exposure, quickly, help this guy before he'll start filming himself pooping!
I hate that defense depends heavily on lightning coil. Honestly, physical to element should be on the tree\jewels\eyes instead. It's the same shit every league and I hope PoE2 doesn't follow this shitty trend.
Bro, use helmet enchant and unveil on body armour. Don't need to rely on lightning coil or cloak of flames. When you get a delve helmet, you can get 10% phys to ele from it, and then you can also use eldritch currency for more
@@m.h.4907 I think you're missing my point. I don't want it on armor period. I want to use other unique body armors besides one that is only used for defense.
@@sadomoreno5829Yeah, you can do that too. Then run taste of hate and progenisis and you'll never die. I'll do that too on my Maw of Mischief build because I'm tied to unique body and helmet
@@m.h.4907 "only a Progenesis" just casual 60 divines lol the dudes criticism is fair, you're pushing it.
@@ghgfjfgkghdfh Flask is 30 div, but you can use Atziri alternative, leathe shade keystone..there are many ways to build defenses. Phys mitigation isn't the only viable option and Degen is anyway more of a problem in endgame for most builds
I feel like this video is meant to teach newer players but it’s going so fast and free that only those that already know would understand.
Wrong
almost seems like lighting coil is now required instead of might need.
You can get physical damage reduction some other ways like with endurance charge stacking. But yeah for most builds lightning coil is just the absolute best 1 piece become tankier item.
I don't either body armor.....probably will never see them drop.
He needs to learn how to use et cetera(etc).
Definition : used at the end of a list to indicate that further, similar items are included.
"protect seedling from damage caused by feet, lawnmowers, pets, etc."
you need more than 1 exemple before using et cetera.
Didn't watch yet but i saw lightning coil, obvs phys mitigation to answer the question, lets watch and probably learn something new as always in PoE, this game is just infinite :D
I honestly really dislike the way that armour and evasion work in PoE. With effectively no way of knowing an enemy's accuracy rating or the amount of physical hit damage they do with any given attack, we have to rely on really sketchy "average" calculations to know how much mitigation we've got. The best part of taking a % of phys as elemental or chaos is that we can know how much less physical damage we would take from any hit exactly.
Open pob and do the math
@@killed_bya_bot7775this is not a good answer
@@avalokiteshvara113 tell me which games actually give you a full run down of all your stats and how they work correctly. At least PoE community has PoB to fall back onto. In every game there’s hidden mechs that you can’t see that drastically affect your gameplay. Educate yourself.
What micro transaction is the longer looking stash tab I’m new 😭
I’m guessing you mean the quad tab
@@ki11em59 the extra inventory connected to his inventory actual inventory the quad is for your loot chest.
@@oOGamaRayOoit’s not an mtx, it’s from the Primalist ascendancy.
@@ethanlarge3572 thank you! I might have to look into that!
Hej Vsauce, Ziz here
Another day of wondering what the Gauntlet details are 😢
After 15,000 hours played, I'm still learning.
12:03 thats not really true you can afk is it? you are still taking all that damage to the face right? so you would have to find a way to recoop/heal/regen before the next wave of balls take you out right?
If you see this logo .l.
Yes! it's rock solid!
No evasion?
In before damage conversion nerf
Damn don’t. I need both and the price finna spike after this video…
Probably a dumb question, why did ziz say pathfinder can most easily do 100% phys to ele ?
flask effect works with the phys to ele part of the Taste of Hate flask
Taste of hate is a unique flask that gives a portion of physical damage from hits taken as cold damage, which can be called with flask effect. Pathfinder can have permanent uptime on it and likes to stack flask effect as well.
Taste of hate, helmet implicit and Temple mod and if you are feeling spicy dawnbringer shield
6:50 how can they do that?
Helmet Temple mod and exarch or eater implicit for like 20%, 20% from taste of hate, lightning coil 50%, watchers eye I think 10% or so per purity mod.
Yup or just take dawnbreaker for the last 20%
@@TheModdedwarfare3 how it is connected with pathfinder
@@EnderElohim taste of haste perma up time + flask effect makes it easier to get the 100%, on top of that, they use it most conisitently because Petrified Blood, Progenesis, and Transendence with perma life flasks makes Pathfinders practically impossible to kill, so they benefit the most from shifting damage taken as
@@jmanredbull1 so source is flask and pathfinder make flask better interesting
Would anyone be kind enough to explain how pathfinder allows for 100% physical conversion?
Would be interested as well. I googled it and cant find anyone talking about it
So: first of all we can use Lightning coil for the first 50%.
Next, we can use the Dawnbreaker shield for (on max roll that is) another 20%, 70% in total.
We can also use a helmet with 8% on a prefix and 6% on an eldritch implicit, so that's another 14%.
The last 16% are covered if we take the unique taste of hate flask. While active, it gives as another up to 15% phys taken as cold dmg. With the increased flask effect that you get from the pathfinder ascendancy, this will make us shift 100% phys dmg.
Lastly we can equip a ruby and a topaz flask alongside our taste of hate (which is a sapphire flask) to push our resistance against elemental damage. Now we only need to sustain our flasks infinitely after we press them once. For this, we take the crafting bench enchant for 'flask reapplies after its duration' (something like that, can't remember the exact name rn). Together with some inc flask charges gained and inc flask duration this should be easy, otherwise there's the timeless jewel keystone The Traitor (which you get from Balbala).
Excellent thank you, I thought I was missing something with the ascendencies.
Memo 📝 🧐
actually it does 20% not 10% they changed this semi recently
And Asmongold keeps insisting the Starforge logo isn't a--
Stuff can't kill you if its dead
Yes it can.
On-death effects.
@@JoshSweetvale shit he got me
Zizcetera
lol ROCK SOLID PC
Just dont talk about Aegis aurora is so cheap i love it :D
"We remove the 69 life, nice" impeccable!
1:28 It does not look like hammer
Wheres Bob? I like Bob.
Omg... Or am I ?!?!
Poe needs to rework how physical hits and armor works. Makes no fucking sense armor working like this. It is even a bigger absurd to have a tool tip saying that you have 80% physical reduction when in reality you have none of it
This is the reason why I only follow build guides from people who play hardcore, even though I don’t play hardcore. IMO 90% of build guides made by SC players are complete bait and the build doesn’t perform anywhere near what they say it does. I don’t know wether that comes down to creators chasing views or just there fundamental lack of knowledge of the game.
you know those vids who claimed hey have 50-100m dps? tried it.its not even as good as the good ol EA ballista who supposedly only have 8-10m dps.
its sooooooo weird.
wasted 50 div on a subpar build that loses completely to a 3 div build.
@@ssllsg9439 yep it’s all bait from people who just don’t understand the game/pob
@@ssllsg9439a lot of it is pob warriors finding the perfect scenario where everything is up at all times. The build I'm working on can hit 200m dps... if I have been fighting the boss for like 12 seconds
It's called "Estimated" Physical Damage Reduction
And that Estimation is one of the biggest Jbait for new players in PoE
ok forget new players. there's even player who play this game for 3 years+ and still don't know about it lol
short answer Armor sucks because it doesnt help vs the scarry hits so people convert dmg to not die.
Hey GGG-sauce, Zizaran here. This build is unkillable; or is it?
How come you die so much then.... lol Just playing. Good work
The only thing strong enough to kill him is himself. (Smite reflect XDDDDDD)
The armour command is outdated, its max 20% rn
still gets destroyed by blue mob.
Lightning coils are cheap, took me two weeks to sell mine for 30c
thanks for mentioning lightning coil, now the price will go up, and i already can't afford it... 3 divine orbs to get a 6 link............. and i can't even find 1 divine orbs during the entire duration of a season. fuck this game.
Quin's Starforge PC doesn't even work, man.