@TimsVariety we may not get a college credit for the extra information on waveforms, specially as I already went though coege and graduate school. Also as a Physicist, that often uses small tabletop radars and laser based measurement devices (like some types of Lidars. I would love to get know how it is used for missiles, even though I know it probably many similarities with the kind of radars I use.
@brandonfrye2902 You're not wrong. On one hand, I hate how opaque some of this information is and how bad of a job the snail does at explaining some of this stuff to new players, but from a more personal angle its great for my channel stats.
@@TimsVarietyis it worth cutting a long vid into smaller vids in a play list? Easier to cut and swap out a section without nuking the stats and interaction on the full vid
The air-to-space, anti-satellite ASM-135 was just the beginning. Introducing the anti-stellar ASTM-9999 - with an anti-matter warhead of 3.0×10^24 kg, this revolutionary missile will tell your enemies (and disobedient kids) "lights out"!
@@sooryan_1018 Honestly, they could have stayed at 10.0 Their missiles are nothing special (the 7D can be dangerous at like 5+ km of altitude, but only marginally and the 9E is a 9E) the gunpod makes it heavy (but the gun itself is good) and obviously no countermeasures in a plane that cannot exactly outmaneuver a missile easily.
40:35 Tim :"...don't forget to like and subscribe" Me : okay Tim : "...and all those engagement stuff." Me [brain still thinking about all tye missile stuff] : Me : "oh, sorry, not that kind of engagement".
must be a right pain updating this every year... I very much appreciate how concise yet understandably laid out everything is! no excess info, clean layman-friendly visuals, distinct terms (carryover of not just using several sidewinder variants) etc. I think it may be a good idea to shift talk about the WEZ/MAR & energy bleed to the back (as part of live usage), and shift the technical info about the missile system itself in front first? to flow between tech & subsequent capability
How do you praise a post like this without going into total overhype mode? It's so extremely helpful for players on all levels of expertise, and combined with the radar posts, an absolute must-watch.
The amount of effort you put into keeping these guides up to date is wild. Also, I've used them as background audio to fall asleep to lol. Pretty chill 👍
24:08, I have thousands of hours in this game and I've never noticed this ! 😮 Great guide, you always learn something new even if you're a long time player !
Spectacular! Many thanks for the detailed information. The calm and clear pronunciation even allows for a perfect written translation in my native language. I have subscribed to you and will be watching all your content! Thank you very much
Liked, as always. Buuuuut: HARM is one specific ARM (namely, the AGM-88). Precursors were the Shrike and the Standard ARM. There's also the ALARM and several Soviet types. And probably some others, too. But positively surprised you mentioned A2A ARMs. Interesting tidbit: A Wild Weasel F-4 once blew up the back of a B-52 with a HARM by accident, because it targetet the B-52's tail gunner's radar.
Fantastic lesson! The line between concise enough to keep the viewers attention, and detailed enough to cover all of the important bits in a complex topic like this is a difficult one to master, but you've nailed it. If I were to add one thing, it'd be a brief mention of an IR missile's (unitemized) seeker track rate. A notable example is the aim-9H, which is functionally the same as the G model but with nearly twice the tracking rate; yet the statcard shows them as identical.
Very, very well done. You’ve shown not only how to use the various guidance systems but where the Snail shortcuts or just gets it wrong for a variety of real world and in game reasons. Thumbs up and subscribed
I just want to say that I found this channel early last year and since then it’s been my go to! These videos have genuinely made me a better AIRRB pilot and raised my KDA significantly (on my Hungarian MiG 21 BIS…literally my favorite jet in the entire game) now knowing how my own jet works and my opposition. Keep up the great videos man! Loving this stuff!
Thank you for your videos Tim! Super in depth while still being able to follow really easily. You have single handedly taught me everything I currently know and use to play the game.
I'm really glad this video came out. I got to top tier not too long ago in the F-16C, and even though I thought I knew a lot I learned even more. Thanks Tim!
@@TimsVariety I live in 2.7-4.0! Dogfighting & tactics are more prevalent there I find, plus I just unlocked the F-86 so I’m having to relearn a whole new world of speed is king. Also as a US player I’m considering switching to Germany; sick and tired of being on a team that doesn’t climb and goes up against planes that do everything better except speed essentially.
8:10 I will never stop thinking that IRCCM is a goofy acronym. Great guide by the way, I just think that "counter countermeasures" is such a ridiculous thing to name a weapon feature
I honestly don't listen to these. I have a lot going on and having your videos in the backgrounds is wonderful. I hope you know that you mean more to some people than an instructor. To some you're a rock
Great stuff, your guides are wonderful in all aspects (not just rear). Right amount of information, good presentation of the information, well organized, good use of graphics, and good use of real-game examples.
i just wanna say i fucking appreciate all this knowledge and the time you take to make these videos because god damn, thats a whole lot to learn and remember not to mention teach or break down. Much love, man!
I love you. This video is amazing! You always joke that Gaijin makes changes right after your vids. I hope this video inspires them to expand the stat cards, lol. Love the side-by-side footage at 29:30! I know it would be very subjective (and invite a lot of arguments), but I've always wanted a "tier list" of AAM to try to compare them head to head. Granted, missiles are intertwined with features from the plane (helmet mounted targeting, the plane's radar features, the plane's speed at launch, etc.), but given the overwhelming amount of missiles in game it'd be nice to have some sort of simplification (and also super interesting to see each UA-camr's take on which ones they prefer). Other games like Smash Bros constantly have tier list discussions, but for whatever reason I don't see it often for War Thunder. Keep doing what you're doing! Definitely going to recommend this video to some teammates.
IR missiles have another form of IRCCM - IR/UV Contrast seekers. The FIM92B Stinger uses a Ultra Violet contrast seeker to compare data with its IR seeker as under UV Light the Aircraft and the flares look very different whilst appear more similar under Infra Red. The AIM-9X uses a Imaging Infra Red seeker which is pretty much a Thermal imager like the ones High Tier ground forces use - this can clearly distinguish flares from vehicles (The Type 91 Kai missile, Mistral 3 and AIM-9X use this) Speaking of HARMS....USS Douglas in the US Coastal tree is currently using the incorrect missile - the RIM-24 Tartar was never and could never be fired from Asheville Gunboats. They have the wrong Radar to fire them. What the Douglas should have is 4x RGM-66D Anti ship missiles which use a passive radar seeker from the AGM-78 ARM. These missiles are SM-1 airframes with said different seeker
I'm expecting the AIM-9X and/or Python 4 (which uses BOTH types of IRCCM) to get added soon as a way to make my guide outdated. The snail loves doing that.
Great video, however, I would like to say that the seeker shuttering IRCCM on the 9M and others is much more effective in side aspect shots rather than head-on ones, as the seeker only sees flares for a short amount of time before they disappear from the fov, whereas in a headon, the flares are almost always in the fov of the seeker.
Its only more effective if the target maintains their turn and doesn't maneuver at all to change direction/angle. I'll be covering that in more detail if/when I get the time to do a longform guide on missile evasion and countermeasures.
@@TimsVariety True, but in head on and rear aspect shots the “flare flower” or flaring whilst rolling is similarly effective at deterring the missile. Not objective evidence, but from my personal experience throwing side aspect shots seems to work better than head-on or rear aspect ones. If you do make a missile evasion guide that would be great. When I was first starting jets, your radar and AAM guides were extremely helpful to me- especially the keybinds section. I love the high quality and informational content.
I'd love to see HARM and ALARM missiles added for SEAD purposes, would add a nice angle to Ground/Combined battles, though I would also just settle for the AS.34 Kormoran on the IDS MFG getting some genuine usability
You said in this video you wanted to make a video about positioning. Have you made it? interested in Fox3 positioning gameplay. Thank you for all your hard work, my fav warthunder content creator!
24:15 i'm pretty sure the second circle has nothing to do with signal strength but rather indicates what are the odds of missile getting to the target from current position if the target maintains the direction and speed it has at the moment. you can see the second circle full locking a plane going straight at you 30km away but have it show you no odds to hit from 5km chasing someone at full speed
As far as I've been able to tell in controlled testing, its indicating signal return strength (which ends up being a major factor in PK). I asked a snailstaffer for confirmation a couple of years ago and was told "yes that's basically it"... however ... they've told other people that it indicated the accuracy of direction/range tracking based on the current radar mode, so your mileage may vary. Regardless, still a good idea to wait until its red to fire.
Complete guide to aircraft radar:
ua-cam.com/video/Weghk_2DpfA/v-deo.html
Complete guide to radar warning receivers:
ua-cam.com/video/DOGazUgUdsQ/v-deo.html
@TimsVariety we may not get a college credit for the extra information on waveforms, specially as I already went though coege and graduate school. Also as a Physicist, that often uses small tabletop radars and laser based measurement devices (like some types of Lidars. I would love to get know how it is used for missiles, even though I know it probably many similarities with the kind of radars I use.
Thanks for the videos. Looking forward for the position tactics one.
22:34 "... you're not getting college credit for watching this ..."
* angrily screws up notes, throws paper at bin, misses because not locked on *
paper bin launched chaff
@@luuk341 Notched and activated ECM
The scrunched up paper stats were “once again, not itemized on the stat card…”
Tim how does it feel to be doomed to making the same 5 videos every year because Gaijin keeps changing things
Cursed like Sisyphus...
But I gotta deliver for my subscribers...
@@TimsVarietywe appriciate your sacrifice
@@TimsVarietysubbed for this comment
@brandonfrye2902 You're not wrong.
On one hand, I hate how opaque some of this information is and how bad of a job the snail does at explaining some of this stuff to new players, but from a more personal angle its great for my channel stats.
@@TimsVarietyis it worth cutting a long vid into smaller vids in a play list? Easier to cut and swap out a section without nuking the stats and interaction on the full vid
The theme of this video is "again, not itemized on the stat card"
The snail loves NOT telling us things...
19:23 “You can’t shoot down the sun, even if you try really hard.”
Challenge accepted.
The air-to-space, anti-satellite ASM-135 was just the beginning. Introducing the anti-stellar ASTM-9999 - with an anti-matter warhead of 3.0×10^24 kg, this revolutionary missile will tell your enemies (and disobedient kids) "lights out"!
Calm down Icarus.
Thats gonna cause more light if we go by physics @@toastoftriumph
@@toastoftriumph (And disobedient kids) Is CRAZY
28:10 R-24R against F-4C is just the biggest gaijin moment ever.
As a Russian main, I feel horrible for those poor F-4C. Atleast make them F-4D with countermeasures or keep them at 10.3
@@sooryan_1018 Honestly, they could have stayed at 10.0
Their missiles are nothing special (the 7D can be dangerous at like 5+ km of altitude, but only marginally and the 9E is a 9E) the gunpod makes it heavy (but the gun itself is good) and obviously no countermeasures in a plane that cannot exactly outmaneuver a missile easily.
@@sooryan_1018even the regular F-4C could irl carry a countermeasure pod, AIM-9J, and AIM-7E.
@@therealavenger3537 F-4C getting countermeasures would automatically make it's current BR okayish, if anything
I must say, I really respect the punctuality on this video being revised. Love that in a creator
It would have been sooner, but my freetime has been limited recently.
Wake up babe, a new Tim's Variety guide just dropped!
19:00 *brøther, I cräve the forbbiden heat signature*
40:35 Tim :"...don't forget to like and subscribe"
Me : okay
Tim : "...and all those engagement stuff."
Me [brain still thinking about all tye missile stuff] :
Me : "oh, sorry, not that kind of engagement".
WT veteran here, GREAT info, not just for missile newbies. Thanks!
You are a scholar and a gentleman.
I love the inclusion of the sensor view side by side in the in gameplay sections.
must be a right pain updating this every year...
I very much appreciate how concise yet understandably laid out everything is! no excess info, clean layman-friendly visuals, distinct terms (carryover of not just using several sidewinder variants) etc.
I think it may be a good idea to shift talk about the WEZ/MAR & energy bleed to the back (as part of live usage), and shift the technical info about the missile system itself in front first? to flow between tech & subsequent capability
The layout is always something I second-guess myself on in a longer vid like this.
How do you praise a post like this without going into total overhype mode?
It's so extremely helpful for players on all levels of expertise, and combined with the radar posts, an absolute must-watch.
4:05 - That's an F-16 versus a Ryan Firebee (BQM-34A), a common US target drone. Well played !
Glad someone recognized it :-)
The amount of effort you put into keeping these guides up to date is wild. Also, I've used them as background audio to fall asleep to lol. Pretty chill 👍
24:08, I have thousands of hours in this game and I've never noticed this ! 😮
Great guide, you always learn something new even if you're a long time player !
I have a 1000+ hours in WT and I mostly play biplanes, no sonic booms.....look at the trees and stuff.....😅
@@CapaUno1322 that's the way xD !
Spectacular! Many thanks for the detailed information. The calm and clear pronunciation even allows for a perfect written translation in my native language. I have subscribed to you and will be watching all your content! Thank you very much
Liked, as always. Buuuuut: HARM is one specific ARM (namely, the AGM-88). Precursors were the Shrike and the Standard ARM. There's also the ALARM and several Soviet types. And probably some others, too. But positively surprised you mentioned A2A ARMs. Interesting tidbit: A Wild Weasel F-4 once blew up the back of a B-52 with a HARM by accident, because it targetet the B-52's tail gunner's radar.
Beautiful work each and every time
Fantastic lesson! The line between concise enough to keep the viewers attention, and detailed enough to cover all of the important bits in a complex topic like this is a difficult one to master, but you've nailed it. If I were to add one thing, it'd be a brief mention of an IR missile's (unitemized) seeker track rate. A notable example is the aim-9H, which is functionally the same as the G model but with nearly twice the tracking rate; yet the statcard shows them as identical.
Hey Watson! Air to Air Missile.
Love your dictation, you're the easiest out of all of the WT CCs to understand, keep up the good vids!
Very, very well done. You’ve shown not only how to use the various guidance systems but where the Snail shortcuts or just gets it wrong for a variety of real world and in game reasons.
Thumbs up and subscribed
I just want to say that I found this channel early last year and since then it’s been my go to! These videos have genuinely made me a better AIRRB pilot and raised my KDA significantly (on my Hungarian MiG 21 BIS…literally my favorite jet in the entire game) now knowing how my own jet works and my opposition. Keep up the great videos man! Loving this stuff!
Babe, wake up, Tim made another updated amazing missile guide
Tim, I think I’ve clocked about 30 hours watching your guides on radar and air to air as they get updated over the years 😭
Its tough to keep them up to date, but I gotta deliver for the subscribers.... o7
Thank you for your videos Tim! Super in depth while still being able to follow really easily. You have single handedly taught me everything I currently know and use to play the game.
I live to serve!
Tim is my teacher. May he always make updated videos.
I'm really glad this video came out. I got to top tier not too long ago in the F-16C, and even though I thought I knew a lot I learned even more. Thanks Tim!
Anytime a new player needs help I show them your videos and it always helps them so thank you for the amazing content
I live to serve o7
You have the best presentation and personality of any War Thunder creator. You're appreciated and I look forward to any and all content you produce.
Just make sure to watch/binge my low-tier vehicle reviews, everyone skips them lol
@@TimsVariety I live in 2.7-4.0! Dogfighting & tactics are more prevalent there I find, plus I just unlocked the F-86 so I’m having to relearn a whole new world of speed is king.
Also as a US player I’m considering switching to Germany; sick and tired of being on a team that doesn’t climb and goes up against planes that do everything better except speed essentially.
@@Wtsmyageagain As a shameless plug, somewhat recently I posted a vid covering the transition from props to jets.
8:10 I will never stop thinking that IRCCM is a goofy acronym. Great guide by the way, I just think that "counter countermeasures" is such a ridiculous thing to name a weapon feature
Thank you very much for those guides and even more for constantly updating them.😊
I honestly don't listen to these. I have a lot going on and having your videos in the backgrounds is wonderful. I hope you know that you mean more to some people than an instructor. To some you're a rock
The best, most in depth, most comprehensive aam explanation out there on youtube, thanks!
just found your stuff new to the game just got the su34 Extremely helpful keep up the good work!
Great work as always Tim, you a real asset to this community!
Buddy, idk if any of us tell you enough - we love you.
As always, great guide, cheers!
Pouring another out for Tim as he prepares to remake all of his guides (he just re-re-released them).
Today I played my first game with air-to-air missiles. Your video helped me a lot! Thank you! (I played with the F9F-8 Cougar)
ty again for this little tutorial it helps a lot to improve the playerbase level
Best guide maker on yt !
Great work again! Thank you very much
When you take the time to think about it, it sure is an incredible experience that gaejin has built-up.
Great job as usual, thks a lot for your great tuyorials Tim
18:55 I am still upset there is no secret steam achievement for shooting a missile at the sun
Great stuff, your guides are wonderful in all aspects (not just rear). Right amount of information, good presentation of the information, well organized, good use of graphics, and good use of real-game examples.
I'm so glad you make these.
I live to serve.
Thanks Tim
Yet another great video from Tim! Time to binge it!
A legendary creator you are man! I really enjoy your Vids!
YOU! ARE! GOLDEN!!!
I live to serve. o7
new guide from the guide master!!!!!! thank you
awesome guide, i already had a pretty good knowledge on most of them but i got to fill some empty spots.
i just wanna say i fucking appreciate all this knowledge and the time you take to make these videos because god damn, thats a whole lot to learn and remember not to mention teach or break down. Much love, man!
I live to serve. o7
Hey Tim, hope you're well
Great video for the snail as always
Very Informative! Love your contents.
im a simple man, i see tim dropped a new video, i click and like
I love you. This video is amazing! You always joke that Gaijin makes changes right after your vids. I hope this video inspires them to expand the stat cards, lol.
Love the side-by-side footage at 29:30!
I know it would be very subjective (and invite a lot of arguments), but I've always wanted a "tier list" of AAM to try to compare them head to head. Granted, missiles are intertwined with features from the plane (helmet mounted targeting, the plane's radar features, the plane's speed at launch, etc.), but given the overwhelming amount of missiles in game it'd be nice to have some sort of simplification (and also super interesting to see each UA-camr's take on which ones they prefer). Other games like Smash Bros constantly have tier list discussions, but for whatever reason I don't see it often for War Thunder.
Keep doing what you're doing! Definitely going to recommend this video to some teammates.
I love how informative your videos are.
perfect time for this vid to be released... just unlocked F-16AM and my first fox 3 carrier
The legend made another video
Straight to the subject and well explained, love the videos man! 👍👍
Thanks to you, I can now somewhat enjoy my Mig 23 ML
Love the "it's a game. Not a nato pre flight" hahaha great vid
Awesome guide again
Tim released a new video, quick gaijin completely change all the missile mechanics
This dude is the goat
Swift f7 is my baby. Not a lot of people know about how the missiles work
Its required by law to laugh like a maniac when people try to flare them.
Need a missile warning mod saying “you’ve got mail”
Sounds like a fun RWR sound mod :-)
Whooooo I’ve been waiting for this
Gaijin just waiting for this to release before they completely re-build how the missiles work lol
thanks 😃
Woohoo tim posted
IR missiles have another form of IRCCM - IR/UV Contrast seekers. The FIM92B Stinger uses a Ultra Violet contrast seeker to compare data with its IR seeker as under UV Light the Aircraft and the flares look very different whilst appear more similar under Infra Red. The AIM-9X uses a Imaging Infra Red seeker which is pretty much a Thermal imager like the ones High Tier ground forces use - this can clearly distinguish flares from vehicles (The Type 91 Kai missile, Mistral 3 and AIM-9X use this)
Speaking of HARMS....USS Douglas in the US Coastal tree is currently using the incorrect missile - the RIM-24 Tartar was never and could never be fired from Asheville Gunboats. They have the wrong Radar to fire them. What the Douglas should have is 4x RGM-66D Anti ship missiles which use a passive radar seeker from the AGM-78 ARM. These missiles are SM-1 airframes with said different seeker
I'm expecting the AIM-9X and/or Python 4 (which uses BOTH types of IRCCM) to get added soon as a way to make my guide outdated. The snail loves doing that.
Amazing info. Thank you.
Hey babe wake up
New Tims variety vid just dropped
12:18 recommend you make the combo middle mouse button+WASD so you can still control where you’re going with mouse aim and even shoot
Damn, I am working. Need to see this guide later 😢
It'll be waiting for you :-)
Gaijin is going to find a way to add another type of missile (oh god AIR-2 Genie). Thank you for increasing the diversity of the game XD
Silly tim, Im already subscribed
Tim video = like first then watch!
Tks, now I know what that icon for secondary weapons are for. Never tried to use the mouse to select a specific weapon.
Definitely looking forward to the positioning guide. Just entered the 8.7 realm and struggling with the AIM 9B.
I needed this. Somehow I have trouble understanding radar locks and missile tracking
It’s crazy I’ve played this game so long I’ve played wt so many of u UA-camrs.
Lets goo missile guide
Great video, however, I would like to say that the seeker shuttering IRCCM on the 9M and others is much more effective in side aspect shots rather than head-on ones, as the seeker only sees flares for a short amount of time before they disappear from the fov, whereas in a headon, the flares are almost always in the fov of the seeker.
Its only more effective if the target maintains their turn and doesn't maneuver at all to change direction/angle.
I'll be covering that in more detail if/when I get the time to do a longform guide on missile evasion and countermeasures.
@@TimsVariety True, but in head on and rear aspect shots the “flare flower” or flaring whilst rolling is similarly effective at deterring the missile. Not objective evidence, but from my personal experience throwing side aspect shots seems to work better than head-on or rear aspect ones.
If you do make a missile evasion guide that would be great. When I was first starting jets, your radar and AAM guides were extremely helpful to me- especially the keybinds section. I love the high quality and informational content.
I'd love to see HARM and ALARM missiles added for SEAD purposes, would add a nice angle to Ground/Combined battles, though I would also just settle for the AS.34 Kormoran on the IDS MFG getting some genuine usability
Take a shot every time he says "not itemized" 😵
Completely wasted before I get to MCLOS...
You said in this video you wanted to make a video about positioning. Have you made it? interested in Fox3 positioning gameplay. Thank you for all your hard work, my fav warthunder content creator!
Gaijin is going to release a major rework of every missile type within the week
Just wait until Gaijin adds non-inertial/dl ARH missiles and everyone keeps wondering why they don't work like AIM-120.
Comment for the algorithm ❤
24:15 i'm pretty sure the second circle has nothing to do with signal strength but rather indicates what are the odds of missile getting to the target from current position if the target maintains the direction and speed it has at the moment. you can see the second circle full locking a plane going straight at you 30km away but have it show you no odds to hit from 5km chasing someone at full speed
As far as I've been able to tell in controlled testing, its indicating signal return strength (which ends up being a major factor in PK). I asked a snailstaffer for confirmation a couple of years ago and was told "yes that's basically it"... however ... they've told other people that it indicated the accuracy of direction/range tracking based on the current radar mode, so your mileage may vary. Regardless, still a good idea to wait until its red to fire.
thx getting close to my f4j need to use arh on f14
Boutta get the f-104a as a free to play player, me happy :D
My somewhat recent review of the F-104A still holds up as generally-current.
What new video from Tim? Let's watch and take notes