Sawstop CTS Table Saw
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2022
- SawStop 10-inch Compact Job Site Table Saw CTS-120A Tool Review
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Overall Impression
The trade-off for many contractors who recently went to cordless table saws is cordless, size, and weight vs flesh sensing protection.
There is no argument that the SawStop CTS is corded, bigger, and heavier.
You're buying this machine first for the protection it offers, and second for the quality of the tools build.
The SawStop CTS compact table saw is well built with precision fit and finish, resulting in a very smooth and easy-to-operate saw.
The biggest takeaway is that SawStop is now making a more compact job site saw for under 1,000 bucks.
Yup that’s a lot of money compared to other corded table saws out there, but you just need to talk to one contractor who has had a table saw injury claim and see what they think of that cost. - Навчання та стиль
I used a SawStop cabinet grade saw during a woodworking program and loved it, but it’s way too large and expensive for a corner of my 1 car garage. I’m reliant on my hands for a living (and for living) and around $1,000 for the saw and stand is easily worth it to me to reduce the risk of a life changing injury. I do wish that SawStop would make a higher precision small table saw for those of us that are woodworkers without the room for a cabinet grade saw. Track saws are great but can be tedious when you need to make repeated rips at exactly the same width. Thanks as always for an informative review, your testing methodology is superb.
This is the best, most thorough review of a table saw I've ever seen. You covered all the critical aspects of accuracy and adjustments to the thousandths of a millimeter using the correct measuring tools and procedures. I now have all the information I need to make an informed decision thanks to you. Very well done!
Thanks Lonnie
Concord is REALLY great about that, they always hit the points a user actually cares about instead of just reading a sales brochure
@Rob Robillard I can't think of anyone that I respect more as a consummate professional than you. I always feel like I can trust your reviews 100%. There's no BS about them.
WOW - Im humbled thanks!
Great review! I was most impressed of the way you setup and used the dial indicator to get everything straight and true.
Rob reminded me to recalibrate my table saw again! Excellent video.
Best wishes in the Fiesta Bowl game!
Your reviews are ALWAYS the best thank you for all your hard work. And great job nailing that long script that must have been a beast.
Great in-depth review as always. Hit all the right points. I bought one for my son for Christmas. Thanks and Happy Holidays! 👍🏻
Thanks for the review. I’m in the process of changing all of my table saws to Sawstop. So far I’ve been able to change the two in my shop out to an ics and a pcs. The last one is the job site saw. Should be able to do it this year. Been in the cabinet trade for years and the safety of the saws is well worth the money.
Great, thorough look at the saw with no time wasted. This might be the sawstop I afford.
Excellent review, with a lot of effort behind it. Really liked the fact that you measured the accuracy of so many features. I’ll probably purchase this saw in the coming year.
I've been watching dozens of reviews on this saw and this is the best one so far. All the information on the out of the box tolerances and adjustability are extremely helpful and absent from other reviewers.
Thank you.
I follow your canal from Germany, I am thrilled how well you explain the things especially from the point of view of a worker who has to earn money with it and where downtime due to accidents can be avoided. Thank you for this. Very big praise to all who have helped you. No wonder your canal is growing. Please make sure that subtitles are loaded with many of my friends do not know English but need to see you. Super your work thanks again for it!!!!!
A Concord Carpenter Laboratories hit again. Excellent review. Merry Christmas.
I'm a home based hobbiest and I am saving up for this to get rid of my cheap Craftsman I bought 15 years ago that I collects dust and I hate using. The size of the CTS will be good for my small workshop in the corner of my basement and will help me feel a little better knowing there's added safety
Great review as always!
Thank you for the review. I'm a home hobbyist thinking about replacing my Dewalt job site saw. Your review was through and informative.
Great review, professional, and packed with useful information (for instance, I hadn't even considered the length of the power cord). I ordered the CTS earlier today.
I just got one of these. Very impressed. This video was very informative of my new purchase. Thanks.
Great job! You always have the best reviews.
Quality review as always. Thank you sir
I like the review on SawStop! I cut myself on a craftsman old contractor table saw got 6 stitches! That being said I was not using proper push stick! I still use a Dewalt saw now! I would like this one because it is small! I have learn over the years equipment safety! Thanks for the good review on the saw!
Thank you for the thorough review. Much appreciated.
Super thorough review Rob, I literally feel like I’ve owned one now.
Hey brother will I see you at JLC? Beer?
@@ConcordCarpenter if it gets me an audience with you I’ll be there
I am a small wooden craft maker and this saw will be perfect for me, none of my things need to be as accurate as what you guys are setting up ( But I certainly admire your skillsets). Loved your review of the saw. I was conflicted on buying a cheaper compact or jobsite saw but as my wise wife said a few hundred extra dollars is totally worth it for the safety factor. As others have said fantastic review. Thank you for taking the time you certainly helped this guy out.
Thanks for making this comprehensive review! I’ve been on the fence, but after watching this video I am sure that this is a good investment for my crew. Keep the content coming! Best regards
Thanks Rob! Love these reviews
Been waiting for a good video on the cts
Thanks - I just noticed that I forgot to [mention] include the spring-loaded stop [w/ manual override] that keeps the fence from touching the blade
These days I'm reluctant to buy a tool until you and the team have reviewed it so thanks for all the hard work Rob. Shame these aren't available this side of the pond but surely it's only a matter of time until Festool/SawStop start licensing to other brands?
Great review and the price is actually fair, esp for professionals!
Thanks for the video I actually just placed my order for this CTS.
Think you may have just convinced me that this is the table saw I want to invest in. I have been a predominately hand tool woodworker, only power tools I use are a Bandsaw and Thicknesser for stock prep. Reckon I will add a CTS to the equation.
Really hoping that sawstop comes out with a cordless table saw at some point. You hit the nail on the head towards the end of the video. I am 100 percent cordless on the job site. This saw is a huge step in the right direction and surprisingly very affordable.
me too
They have a new cordless but alas thus far only available in Europe.
I am sold after your review. I am not a contractor and I am terrified from the table saw . In my actual line of work I have witness many accidents and I have been injured before . For me Saw stop have made accessible this safe technology to general public by offering this excellent machine for more or less 1000$ with the stand. One thing I need to know is list of blades that are compatible.
Great review as always! Thank you. I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on this compact Sawstop table saw versus the Festool CSC, compact and battery powered, which just started shipping, Sept 6, 2023. I am baffled that Festool bought Sawstop a number of years ago and the Festool CSC Portable Battery Powered Saw doesn’t use the Sawstop safety technology.
Great review!!
Wow, I looked into sawstops awhile back and don't have the room for a table saw and didn't necessarily think the quality of the job site travel one with the built in/fold up stand seemed worth the price. This seems like a homerun and ideal for the DIYer too who either does not have the space, or does not want to sacrifice the space for a permanent table saw fixture. I also do not know half of the measurements you were talking about, but I hope they quell the questions and skepticism from the horde of youtube comments who moonlight as NASA engineers! Well done Rob!!
I had a dewalt jobsite and came close on nicking a finger. I’m a retired diy , not to interested in losing anything at 63 😂. I’m getting the compact version in less than a month and for the price I have to pay $1200 Canadian it’s cheaper than losing a finger or worse. Thanks for the advice.
Great review. Next time the new Festol table saw when coming to USA 🇺🇸.
Nice review... very thorough. Would have liked some more comparisons off pre-cal and post-cal vs. the DeWalt/Milwaukee. Did you check to see if the tabletop was flat as well, especially as it comes close to the blade. My DeWalt is slightly concave (like there is a notable dip in the table top material) and I had to use some bondo and sandpaper to flatten it out.
I stopped watching this video about half way through ...
... jumped into my car and bought one.
Then I watched the end.
Can't wait to set it up.
Haha nice
Sawstop is going to be raking in the circuit breaker money
Great review. Appreciate this. Subbed!
Thanks for the sub!
Really great review. Would really love one of these in Europe (but doubt they'll ever be for sale, sadly).
Take a look at Festool, they already have rights for this patent in Europe.
WOW! Timing was perfect. I am now going to buy this saw. Your video covered every detail I had questions about except for one. 1. Can you use other 10” blades that are NOT SawStop? I have many fine blades from over the years. Today I counted them. I have 15 blades. I now work in a wheelchair. I owned my own shop for 25 years and ran very heavy large machines. So this tiny little saw will fit my current needs perfectly. (I think?)
I think Rob, that if your a carpenter like me, who has lost part of his pinky, and had it sown back on ( Thank the Lord), you’ll buy this portable Saw, sold my Bosch, and bought this, haven’t broken it in yet, so thanks for this Video Brother. USE A PUSH STICK!!!!!
Fantastic informative and interesting video, too late for this years xmas list but there is always next year ;)
thanks for commenting - please use my purchase link if you get one - thx
I saw you looking for the window clearance behind you. And then I thought about kickback.
I wish they would have come out with this saw a few months sooner. I bought a DeWalt 8 1/4” corded table saw .
get two? ;)
That's what I'm doing. I have the DeWalt and that's going to be my job site saw. For home I'm buying the saw stop so my wife feels comfortable using it too.
I own a Bosch 4100XC-10 with the wheeled stand. Its been an excellent saw, but Im with Rob, for a job site saw, safety is a big deal.
However, the need for dust extraction is a bit of a deal breaker for me with this SawStop saw. Alot of times we arent using a saw for an entire day, just need to make a rip or three and put it away, or fold it up and push it out of the way. The last thing we need to have to do is drag out a vacuum outside in the dirt or inside on the floor while framing. I think it might be OK for doing some trim work where you are set up and are making multiple cuts throughout multiple days.
its a bit of a bummer
I can't speak specifically for this saw, but I do have the larger sobsite saw and the dust collection seems to be similar, well sealed with the brake cartridge inside the dust shroud. I've used it for hundreds of feet of ripping with no vac hooked up and the brake has worked great. I don't see how dust would disrupt any of the safety features. The brake cartridge itself is sealed. Just my experience.
Thank you very much.
As always a super review Rob. We are lucky to get the Sawstop table saws here in Australia. They are pricey compared with other brands but the safety feature seems worth the cost. My main question is how does it compare with the next saw up in their range the ‘Jobsite Pro’. The JSP is the one I’m probably getting you tested that thoroughly when you did your great tablesaw review episode a few years back. But would like to know your thoughts on JSP v CTS? Thanks for all your work.
I like the CTS its smaller and lighter
Rob, excellent overview and breakdown of the pros/areas of improvement of this saw. Can you share links for some of the tools used in the calibration or testing process?
I’ve been looking into this model or the slightly bigger SawStop PRO JSS. While not as portable, what are your thoughts on this model as far as consistency and quality go compared to the CTS?
Thanks again for your time and effort, I love these videos. Keep up the great work and happy holidays!
Paul - go here for more info, let me know if you need more info
www.toolboxbuzz.com/power-tools/table-saw/sawstop-cts-table-saw-review/
What a phenomenal review. I’m sold. Quick question, what did you lube to make the rack and pinion slide smooth after the CTS adjustment.
Silicone on the inside slots of the rails. I'm guessing the parts the ride along the cts puck
Wicked confusing light/safety status indicator lights. Makes perfect sense to Sawstop engineers. But, everyday users are not engineers!
It would be good to add that Sawstop recommends a 170CFM sawdust evacuator. As a beginner I took this to mean a shopvac, but the largest, most powerful (16 gallon) shopvacs were only rated at 120CFM, cubic feet per minute. They also consumed 12 amps, so look at your electrical capacity. Leave the big box store and check out Acme Tools who have dust collectors that are substantial but will surpass 170CFM easily.
170 cfm is not practical for most contractors in the field
This is such a great review. How do you compare the CTS to the JSS? I'm between the two saws right now
Can I ask if this test is the best, so your using the the micro measurement measurer, you 1st measure the blade with it, then you turn it to test the fence, who's to say the rebate between the blade and fence is strait .
I also have no idea why companies use red/green lights given how many people have red/green color blindness.
If someone can deal with traffic lights then they can deal with the lights on a saw.
great video! I've heard of the saw have nuisance trips for no apparent reason. Wondering if anyone experienced this firsthand. At 100 bucks a pop plus a new blade it could get very expensive.
Very interesting. I have a DeWalt because I could not afford one of these. I am very careful and use a Microjig GG Gripper to proctect myself.
Thanks for sharing
You mentioned that presure treated may activate the stop. I will be sawing mostly presure treated. So the safety feature would be taken out of the equation and I might as well go dewalt...right?
Bravo Zulu. I bought my Metabo saw based on and earlier review. Agree on the configuration guide. Accidentally triggering the safety is a costly mistake. Use will eliminate that I suppose.
Can this saw use dado blades? I am sure the safety would be unavailable if so. Can you make your own zero clearance inserts?
No I mention that -0 no daddo.
Awesome review. Seems pretty inaccurate out of the box though. Can you take the plastic housing off of the underside to allow for dust to fall to the floor?
kinda - side or motor cover opens. I disagree - it was pretty good out of the box compared to others
@@ConcordCarpenter Understood. The first video I ever watched of yours was the table saw video around 5 years ago and if I remember correctly the sawstop was 2nd to last next to Ridgid for initial accuracy. Forces me to approach the brand cautiously considering the price. Either way, thank you for what you do, and Merry Christmas Rob!
Rob, excellent review. Thank you. Did you test how well the CTS ripped hardwood? My current belt driven saw struggles with hardwoods that are over an inch in thickness.
It’s got some decent power. However, I had a problem with it about four months and with the U joint that connects the hand crank to the blade raising mechanism. I had to reach out to Sol stop and they sent me a park to replace it. In hindsight, I don’t think I should’ve replaced it myself. I think they should do the repair because the Saw is so technical. Just an fyi
anyone else remember when Bosch had a superior version of this tech that also prevented losing your fingers, but only used a cheap disposable CO2 cartridge and didn't ruin the blade in the process? Sawstop immediately sicc'd the lawyers on them and got the entire line completely banned from import into the US
Have you seen our review on the Bosch?
@@ConcordCarpenter no, didn't realize you had one but would be interested on your take. What was the title of your review so I can look it up/watch?
Personal experience and most the people I know that have run/owned one (right on the Canadian border, wasnt uncommon for guys to buy one or two and bury them in the trailer coming back through Customs) were of the opinion the build quality/features were middle of the road from what you'd expect from a job site saw, but it worked much better in pressure treated/wet/green wood we get a lot of. And not blowing 200$ for a cartridge/saw blade per pop was very appreciated when working with apprentices
That's why I hate sawstop. They don't care about your safety, they just want your money
@@andrewk8636 I agree completely, but also still value my fingers.
@@andrewk8636 I don’t know how to tell you this, so I’ll just say it: sawstop doesn’t want your money any more than powermatic, or jet, or Laguna. No power tool company gives a shit about you. Even Look at Bessey. If you want a company that cares about their customers, you need to go to the ultra expensive boutique hand tool makers.
I have the Bosch Jobsite saw and it’s fairly large for its intended use. I do like the size of the SawStop compact saw, just wondering if it’s worth the upgrade Rob? The flesh technology brake is nice, but on the jobsite there’s so many other ways to get injured. It would be nice to give a six month review and know the limitations a little better? I understand that it’s not a cabinet saw for that price, but would be nice if you could get precise cuts like the new Festool saw out in Europe.
there are a load of ways to get injured, but the table saw is the highest power-tool cause of injury, year after year, and the injuries can be really nasty. My next cabinet saw is going to be a sawstop, no question.
will do
@@ConcordCarpenter Both the Festool CSC SYS 50 EBI and the SawStop CTS are both made by the same parent company. I’m wondering if the CTS will have the same accuracy as the £1,800 SYS 50? Definitely a lower price point which is good, but aside from the digital bells and whistles what does one give up? I would be curious if under pressure ripping Ipe or Red Khayu would the fence stay in position? Can you cut draw sides and build quality Baltic Birch boxes and get accurate splinter free results with the new compact SawStop table saw?
if only they could start selling these in uk / eu over here. but they never do!!! so sad about that. anyhow i wanted to mention that when you fine adjusted to the vertical 90 exactly precise. then noticed that the 45 was out by 0.3 degrees... i was just reading some guys amazon reviews and while those digital inclinometers claim 0.2 degree accuracy the truth seems to be that they are much more accurate a 0 degrees. but the as you increase the angle away from level they progressively get less and less accurate. and can definately exceed that +-0.2 degrees error quite significantly. so this is actually good news for this table saw because it means the actual 45 might not be out by as much as 0.3 degree. so i though i needed to mention that.
you probably? could test and better calibrate the 45 reading of your same digital inclinometer (restroactively) simply by constructing a huge size 45 degree slope out of some materials. and then measuring accurately the length of the sides when you make the slope to a high enough presicion to then be certain it is within 0.01 degree. then put your digital inclinometer onto your known 45.01 degree slope and check the reading. and the hope is that it may be consistently out by an increasing amount the further away you go from perpendicular. and in a way that the error is consistent the same direction / same sense
Great points thanks - when I used my Woodpecker 45 square on the blade it looked damn good
Cheap compared to replacing fingers ... definitely on my list to buy
for that price it needs better build quality than the larger jobsite saw you reviewed, if my memory is correct the table wasnt that flat and it had other issues. would be interesting to see your review of the new compact festool, seems ridiculously overpriced for something with such a small capacity, and doesnt feature the sawstop tech.
I remember in the head to head with the Jobsite saws Sawstop was very high in precision and quality it got let down in price, so Hitachi/Metabo won, but price is what we pay for safety. So very high quality for its role.
Great review. However, when comparing it with the Dewalt 7491, as far as I can tell the only advantage is the AIM. Not recommended to use a 1/8" blade, no rolling stand, only 24" cut to right of blade, doesn't use dado!
Do you use a dado on the jiobsite?
I use my saw in my garage. I don't have room for a bigger saw as both vehicles must return to the garage at the end of the day. I have found that the jobsite saw does everything I need and can be put away at the end of the day.
We have 2 sawstop cabinetsaws at the cabinet shop.
They are well built and well packaged.
That said I will never own one.
I just bought the m18 which will take a dado stack,and was 1/2 the price with....1-key which I can disable for my use only with an app.
If I had employees I would consider it....maybe.
No other tool has this type of safety.
Education on proper techniques on any powertool is vitally important, insert Nahm Abrams disclaimer here.😉
I loved my m18 table saw never had a problem with it but I sold it + gift cards I just got the CTS and stand payed about $300 difference
@@DjLooNu happy with the new saw or u think the milwaukee was better?
@@mikewaters6980 I'm happy with the sawstop CTS but if I was taking it from job site to job site I would probably have kept the Milwaukee. The CTS is bigger and heavier but has a better selection of blades and since I use it at home only portability isn't needed
@@DjLooN awesome. Really appreciate ur feedback bud. That’s helpful
One thing I noticed is that the pinion is made of plastic . Hope that's not an issue as Dewalt's is metal.
what are your thoughts of a Laguna 2020 Fusion 1 F1 Table Saw
I would be curious on how well this compares with other table saws like DeWalt, Hitachi, Bosch, etc.
We ran the same calibration tests n our Best Table saw head2head a few years back - betting not much has changed - check it out
I'm curious if you repeated your run out tests after testing the safety system. I've always wondered if that could cause the trunion to become misaligned.
Ive wondered this as well, but I figure we would have heard about it from one of the many woodworking youtube channels that have tested their sawstops by activating the cartridge. It appears as though the whole trunnion and motor assembly cams down on a pivot to absorb this energy, so I feel like they have probably accounted for this. It would be a huge reason not to buy if a single activation ruined the entire saw...
We did on JSS but we did not test the system on this saw so no we didnt. Great point! to be honest ... if it saved my fingers or hand - Id happily replace the saw
@@ConcordCarpenter same. Nicked 2 fingers in a table saw about 15 years ago. No desire to ever do that again.
I have the Jobsite saw and have tripped the brake. Accuracy and runout was not compromised at all. I called and talked with Sawstop and they assured me that tripping the break would not compromise the saw in any way. I'm very happy with my purchase just for the quality alone.
Great review! Great information! I’ve got a Bosch saw with the gravity rise stand. Would this fit on the Bosch Gravity Rise Stand?
Yes it will
@@ConcordCarpenter Thank you! You’re channel is awesome by the way. I really appreciate what you do!
@@downforwhatever67 Thank you!!
Thanks for the great review. Have you checked how flat is the top? I got mine but it isn't super flat.
I did and it was fine, not perfect
I am curious to know what is the JOB Site table saw that you use or planning to use??? Milwaukee? Dewalt? Sawstop? what?, Thanks for your video.
We use Milwaukee and Dewalyt on our jobs - both cordless. We will now add this to our larger - longer-term jobs
Surprised about the CTS name.
Thought it was a Festool trademark for their CTS Line of cordless tools.
Same parent company (TTS - ToolTechnic Systems).
SawStop saws are lackluster performers even when maintained. They also provide a great many false reads when dealing with treated or green wood.
What they provide me as a foreman is a larger pool of carpenters that I can comfortably assign to do millwork. It completely modifies the way I approach my fabrication process on site
Does anyone know if the CTS can accommodate a dado stack?
can’t use dado stack on CTS
Should have a rolling stand
I bet its coming
I need one, but it's a bit pricey. No where nearly a pricey as losing a finger though...
I live in England, they don’t sell sawstop in England, and so expensive for a portable table saw, I know my fingers are worth a lot but expensive anyway.
Is it true that FesTool is the parent company of SawStop?
they bought SawStop a few years back
Power/ ease and accuracy of fence then dust collection are what matters . If you can’t keep your fingers out of the saw get a desk job
Not available in Europe and Uk.
I strongly dislike Sawstop's profiteering. When I researched table saws for work around my house, the best fit for me technically was the "contractor saw" at $2,000. A comparable Delta is $899. So while I am trying to decide if I have the space and money for the contractor saw, my wife is looking at a vacuum cleaner, some German thing cost $849 and that is the small one. My hands are intact and I have no table saw at all. Maybe a router will do some of what I want.
No way I would let an employee or student use a table saw without saw stop. My personal saw doesn't have it and it scares the crap out of me every time I use it. I tell students that power tools should scare the crap out of you, as soon as they become common place you are in danger of an accident. BE CAREFUL!
Had a mouse chew through a $20 ribbon cable going from the cartridge to the gear box and Saw Stop is telling me I need to replace the entire Motor/ gear box at a price tag of $250. Pretty disgusted that I spent the money I did on this
Long time since you're last video
1 week?
At 8:03 can you prove the saw will bevel past 45°, say 46-47° & return to 90° or 0° bevel on the scale? My saw won't do it, After speaking with tech services the bevel range is 0°-45°. I was unaware of this when I purchased the saw. Bevel range was not listed on SawStops website under specs or anywhere in the manual. This saw is basically useless for building mitered box beams.
Regardless the saw fell apart within 5 months of use.
I can say without a doubt this is the worst table saw I have owned in 25 years. Great technology, but the saw itself is garbage.
I'm willing to bet a long term review of actual daily field use will produce similar results.
There should be a picture of this saw in the dictionary under the word "rip-off".
Now.. what table saw should I buy next?? It's gotta be mobile moderately quiet, powerful & have good dust control?
Notice I said moderately quiet.. This eliminates DeWalt & Ridgid!!
I hate these table saws for having the safety mechanism. It would be nice if you could disable the safety indefinitely, instead of before each use.
You have to respect the fact that table saws, like any saw, are potentially dangerous. I have been a finish carpenter for 25+ years and have only been on one job with a SawStop table saw and have never once heard of any accidents.
Take a closer look at the new generation of "tradesmen" perhaps you will understand why this technology is needed. 👀💩.
@@jasonholt2741 Lol. We don't let any riff raff in.
great! but it’s too expensive
Expensive compared to what? Banking on never cutting yourself?
If you need to rely on a saw brake then unfortunately you are too careless and shouldn’t be operating a table saw to begin with……no salsa dancing on a floor joist next to a guy ripping shakes and your good..
Really - do you so the definition of "accident" is wrong? I'll give you the fact that many don't know what they're doing and have bad form - but an accident is an accident
@@ConcordCarpenter true …one thing I noticed on almost every job is guys struggling to cut material on portable table saws because they all lack a proper out-feed table. Not the BS roller supports, a legit out-feed setup like the ROUSSEAU system… it’s kinda bulky and requires a few more minutes to setup and break down at the end of the day but if your on site for multiple days you’d be foolish to work any other way… I’ve been using their stands since I started in the 90’s and would not rip material on site any other way…… check them out maybe do a review as it would help a lot of guys who never seen them…… thanks 🗣Mack-eater!!! love the content merry Christmas ✌️💖&💡 stay safe!
@@therealme613 we reviewed the Roseau table it’s heavy but nice