David Wheaton I'm Canadian and I agree with you completely that the British excel and outshine everyone else in producing murder mysteries, not to mention other genres of films as well. Thank you Brits!!!
Joan Hickson will always be Miss Marple. David Suchet will always be Hercule Poirot. Jeremy Brett will always be Sherlock Holmes. And......Ian Carmichael will always be Lord Peter Wimsey. No one will ever top Ian Carmichael's Lord Peter!
The Other Guy looks the part more, but totally lacks the dash and sense of humor which Ian Carmichael captures so well (not to mention this music captures the tone better than the lugubriousness of the later version). Bunter's wittier and more appropriate, too. Generally the pace of this version is much better.
Nah - go watch Basil Rathbone as Sherlock Holmes and you’ll see Jeremy Brett was just an over-acting imitation. And much as I love Ian Carmichael, Edward Petherbridge was far better in the role as Wimsey. You’re right about Hickson and Suchet though.
It was my English Dad who introduced English murder mysteries, now often called "tea cosy" mysteries, to his Canadian daughter, starting with Dame Agatha Christie, of course, and The Murder on the Orient Express (original title: Murder in the Calais Coach). My Dad told me that reading the new Agatha Christie was his English Dad's, my Grandad's, Christmas treat every year.
There are very few series here in America as nuanced as most British . Whether or not Carmichael is the best LPW is irrelevant .His acting is top drawer. I am enjoying these British shows immensely. Thank goodness for UA-cam.
@@bigbearfuzzums7027 ... and yet you STILL use the IMPERIAL units of measurement in your daily life ... instead of switching to metric - which was invented by the french - in gratitude over allowing 1776 to succeed by keeping the Royal Navy busy with a little war of their own.
Mr Carmichael is the very best Lord Peter!! I love his relationship with Bunter, it was probably very unusual in its time.Dorothy Sayers was very forward thinking for her day. She recognised what the horrors of the war did to the people who had lived through it. Thank you for posting these wonderful shows.
Sayers was also forward thinking when it came to women's role in society. Not surprising since she was the first woman to earn a first at Oxford. But she imbued in her aristocratic detective a respect for others regardless of their social class, and his priceless trait of regarding women as equals to men. Very progressive thinking for the 1930s.
Unfortunately and reprehensibly, those brave lads from all over Europe (as well as Canada, New Zealand and Australia) who were killed in action in the Great War, or worse, horribly mutilated, gassed and/or shell-shocked, were not treated as the heroes they were on being invalided out of the army, or returning home after the Armistice. Nothing was done for these lads, no work was created or found for them, they were not shown any respect or gratitude. Some may have been granted a war or disability pension, but not everyone, and these pensions were far from generous for the ordinary soldiers. It's disgusting and scandalous the way they were treated. Many ended their days in abject poverty, as alcoholics or drug addicts.
They thought they did. Looking back, I wonder how things could have been any worse had the UK and US stayed out of it. Would there have been a Hitler, a Lenin, a Mao... Those boys deserved a long life-- certainly didn't deserve to fight a war so that their kids would have to fight another that was even worse.
@@mfjdv2020 It's so sad and truly infuriating. The entire reason there was a Great War at all was the lack of will on the part of the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, and Austria-Hungary to stop it. A man shoots and Archduke and the rest of the world goes to war? Ludicrous! It's like Wilkes Booth killing Lincoln and Russia invading Spain as a result. The men in charge of the Allied and Axis powers could have stopped the war before it started, but wanted to play soldiers. After all, they weren't going to be on the front lines. And instead, a bunch of young men were killed, not fighting for any cause, but fighting because their leaders were cowardly and society pressured them (look up White Feather Brigade" if you want someone to blame). They fought and died, or fought and were maimed. And you are correct that they were never respected for it. Millions of families were ruined. And to what end? All the Great War really accomplished was spreading the "Spanish" flu all over the world and killing the young people who managed to survive the war. It was a horrible tragedy. And yet our leaders repeat it over and over again. They never learn.
@@mfjdv2020 There were some mutinies - it's a history which has been near whitewashed out of existence, popular consciousness. It's quite surprising there were not more, given the odds of survival - one might well have been better off taking your chances with your comrades, shoot the officers and run for it! (their revolvers were for the purpose of shooting 'cowards')
Native Californian here. I read my first mystery at 5 years of age, it was my Father’s Mickey Spillane. Yes, a bit inappropriate, but I was hooked. 70 years later I still love a beautifully written mystery and I agree that British authors are the best. It must be in their DNA.
A long-standing cultural tradition of reading, writing, and respect for knowledge, discussion and wit. The enjoyment of knowledge and wit for their own sake is a major reason I love to visit England. Watch some of the "Brit-coms". I especially recommend "Black Books"; "Blackadder"; "The Thin Blue Line";"The Detectorists"; "Doc Martin"; and "As Times Goes By". And also "Have I Got News For You". Though it trends liberal, they sometimes have right-wing politicians on this panel show, and both sides appreciate wit and verbal quickness.
@@granthurlburt4062 Also a Brit-com fan, I'm still waiting for "Doc Martin", but I and my mother both endorse "As Time Goes by", especially appreciated by those "of a certain age", starring Dame Judy Dench and Geoffrey Palmer. Other favourites include: "Mulberry" with Geraldine McEwan, "May to December", "To the Manor Born" with Peter Bowles and Penelope Keith, "Good Life or Good Neighbours" with Penelope Keith, Felicity Kendal and Richard Briers, "Waiting for God", "Are you Being Served" and "Keeping up Appearances" with Patricia Routledge as the immortal Hyacinth. "Yes, Minister" and its sequel "Yes, Prime Minister", starring Sir Nigel Hawthorne as the iconic Humphrey, are so on topic, even today, they're almost scary. A little different, but also funny are "'Allo, 'Allo" and "Chance in a Million". And if you enjoy John Cleese, Connie Booth and Prunella Scales, "Fawlty Towers".
Liking the pub scene at the 40 minute mark...at the time this series was made, there would have been plenty of people around with vivid memories of the Great War, and what it was like on the home front. Almost 50 years later they're all gone and their kids are close to 100. The wheel of time...
Technically, the title is The Nine Tailors, in reference to the craft of bellringing, a strong motif throughout the novel. "'Nine Tailors' means the nine strokes which at the beginning of the toll for the dead announce to the villagers that a man is dead. A woman's death is announced with 'Six Tailors'. Hence the expression "nine tailors make a man" -- which is NOT a sartorial remark.
@@auntfanny3266 I have rung the bells in the next village of Walpole St. Andrew which is where some of the snowy scenes were filmed. I was still a boy but it was a big event for a sleepy Fenland village to have the filming in our villages. Am watching for the first time now.
@@barryrasberry3981 That must have been so exciting for you...I would have loved it. Many of our church spire bells are no longer used....I play chime tones from the Organ, but it is not the same at all.
Wonderful Bunter backstory, with the "good" Bunter. Love all these Ian Carmichael Lord Peter Wimsey shows, which I first saw 50 years ago. How time flies!
How rude of the chap who wrote the words ‘British crap”. Ours is so much more sophisticated than some others. Ian Carmichael and Edward Petherbridge were both perfect for their time. I believe Dorothy Leigh Sayers would have been thrilled with both their interpretations of Lord Peter.
Thank you for sharing these! I love everything about them, including Ian Carmichael and the opening theme. Watched all of them when they first came out.
There is a version of Jane Austen's "Pride & Prejudice" from 1940 ... where they have an "open chariot chase" between two carriages of women in full southern dress. It has nothing to do with the story ... but americans needed some "horse action" back then to get a bit of excitement and to "identify with the story". Last time I checked this version was on YT (in parts IIRC) ... if you want to have a laugh about it.
First broadcast: Mon 29th Apr 1974, 21:25 on BBC One London The Nine Tailors by Dorothy L Sayers : adapted in four parts by ANTHONY STEVEN with Ian Carmichael as Lord Peter Chance - or is it Fate? brings Lord Peter Wimsey back to the village where 20 years - and a World War earlier, he had been witness to a crime thought solved. Sound DAVID HUGHES Lighting BOB GELL Designer STANLEY MORRIS Producer Richard BEYNON Director Raymond Menmuir Contributors Unknown: Anthony Steven Unknown: Ian Carmichael Bunter: Glyn Houston Ezra Wilderspin: Dan Meaden Mrs Tebbutt: Maryann Turner Venables: Donald Eccles Will Thoday: Neil McCarthy Mary Thoday: Elizabeth Proud Jim Thoday: David Jackson Mrs Venables: Elizabeth Bradley Sir Henry Thorpe: Geoffrey Russell Mrs Gates: Judith Fellows Dr Baines: Bill Gavin Hilary Thorpe: Gail Harrison Hezekiah Lavender: Herbert Ramskill Jack Godfrey: Peter Tuddenham Harry Gotobed: Charles Lamb Walter Pratt: John Duttine Cranton: Patrick Jordan Coroner: Wally Thomas Superintendent Blundell: Keneth Thornett
Just so people know: The novel opens with Wimsey and Bunter getting stuck in a snowstorm at Fenchurch St. Paul, where Wimsey ends up participating in a record peal when other members of the group fall ill with influenza. It does not open with the wedding and reception when the emeralds were stolen, and Wimsey was not at the wedding, nor was he in the house when the emeralds were stolen. Why the very valuable 50 minutes used for this horrid episode were squandered in unnecessarily setting up the backstory at the beginning, thereby ruining the reveal, is incomprehensible to me! Especially bc Sayers herself didn’t dramatize the reception and theft at all, and introduced the family at the “Big House” to Wimsey and the readers in due course, as the story slowly unfolds, which shows those events were completely unimportant in the plot, so unimportant that she has bits and pieces being told from the perspective of various characters throughout the book. And the readers think Deacon is dead all through the novel, right along with the characters, until Will and Mary are caught in London trying to normalize their situation and the whole story starts to come out! Sayers has Nobby very succinctly summarize Deacon’s adventures after murdering the prison guard _at the end of the book_ for a reason, which is to point out that what happened to Deacon was secret, and would have remained secret, if Nobby had died prematurely. I cannot believe the people responsible for this rank stupidity chose to immediately disclose how Deacon made his bumbling way to France and the war, instead of keeping that part secret til the very end….where is the huge shock of the denouement for the viewers, when it is revealed right away that Deacon was still alive and back at Fenchurch St. Paul, and that his was the body buried with Lady Thorpe?? I’m just disgusted, and wish that novels wouldn’t be adapted for TV or films at all if the show is lost from the start! And I also think it was stupid to choose actors in late middle age to play Wimsey, when he was in his mid 40s when he and Harriet finally wed. As much as people rave about Ian Carmichael, he looks nothing like Wimsey, who is always described as on the short side, very slight, very plain, homely even, with his large beaked nose! And Edward Petherbridge looked 60 in the later adaptations!
voracious reader I watched this on DVD last night, after reading your summary, and I was AMAZED that it didn't start with Wimsey's car falling into the ditch. I had read the book, and watched the TV adaptation years ago, and I had completely forgotten about the 'flashback' scene at the start, which takes up all of episode 1. It's made obvious that Deacon is still alive right from the start. It might as well be an episode of Columbo! I'm going to read the novel again. I'm not sure how Cranton would understand the message, unless he too was a bellringer.
Whew! See there! Gettin too cocky with myself what. Your vernacular is just melodic and hilarious. I love it. The jewel thief here reminds me of Barrow , Downton Abbey- a house serving/ wait upon person, who is tha farthest thing from a soldier ever!! He is a calluous murderer, too. No remorse that I can see. Deacon.
Realistic. Not cynical. And a realistic attitude is invariably based on the ability to recognise and acknowledge the true state of affairs, instead of regarding the world through rose-coloured specs.
@@mfjdv2020 Funny ... how the communist talks about rose-tinted spectacles ... which all your ideas for a society are. There can never be a fair and safe world ... but you people always pretend it is possible and thus demand "people be nice" instead of recognising the danger of keeping children TOO SAFE so they become FRAIL and faint at the mere mention of something they FEEL is offensive.
She means, happiness in marriage. There's the saying, when poverty enters the door, love jumps out of the window. At the time, marriage was, for a woman, a life investment.
Nero Wolf with Hutton and Chauvin, USA. One of THE all time best. There's good, well done and THE best is rare. Modern Holmes, Cumberbatch & Friedman. PIOROT David Suchet. Some of the Morse, Wexford. Just started watching this series.
This pattern turns up everywhere. It must be one of the most popular ones ever. Unfortunately, I don't care for it myself. One of my minor amusements is spotting china patterns in movies and TV shows. Very often, cheaper quality china is used in the most expensive, sophisticated, high class situations :) The funniest example of this that I've come across is the circular floor pattern of the Jedi Temple's Council room from the Star Wars movie franchise which is a perfect copy of an average priced, medium quality, very common china plate pattern.
We all talk about Ian Carmichael as the ideal Wimsey (and I agree totally), but how about Bunter!? What's the actor's name? He deserves roses, I'd say.
It's peculiar, because I think the term "Spanish flu" is pretty much restricted to the 1918 flu, and in the teleplay they are speaking of it in the 30s. You'll right--it should be just influenza.
The 'Coded Meassage' to find the Necklace sent to Cranton from Dean puzzeled me. There was no way Cranton could decipher that message. A flaw by the author??
I think it was deliberate, he wanted the alarm to be raised. If he had dropped the case to Cranton when all was quiet, Cranton would have had time to look in it and see it was empty. As it was he could press it on Cranton and tell him to run - obviously he hoped Cranton would get clean away, and would never be able to tell on him without incriminating himself
Imust say I was a little puzzled by this first episode, because I have read the original novel, which begins with Lord Peter's car breaking down, but light did begin to dawn later on!
@@iloveyourmom2 Hello Christina sorry I haven't replied before but my laptop has been out of action since my former landlord removed all internet equipment from the house when he sold it the new owners served notice on us I finally have access again having moved into a flat as opposed to a shared house Hope I haven't offended in any way David J. Crook
I actually like this version of the story slightly better than Sayers' original version. I like the idea that this case has been weaving through Whimsey's life since he was a young man. I think that she would have approved of the alteration.
this is a real back story WW1 and Wimsey and then onto the 20's these were so well made .Mind you a faithful remake now 40 years later would be welcome too who could play wimsey?? Tom Hughes?
@@mfjdv2020 The problem these days isnt the accent ... but rather the feminist/BLM/rainbow ideological crap which they NEED to include. A "remake" would probably make Bunter black and Lord Peter gay.
Watching this n seeing the ornaments on Peter’s uniform , brought this to mind..am Jamaican n in 1739, the British had to sign a treaty with escaped slaves in Jamaica…these escaped slaves were called Maroons…Maroons," a word derived from "Cimarron," which means "fierce" or "unruly."…at any rate the British army was unsuccesful in conquering n recapturing these escaped slaves , so a Treaty was signed…In 1739-40, the British government in Jamaica recognized that it could not defeat the Maroons, so Trelawny offered them peace treaties instead. In 1739, the colonial militia signed the first treaty with the Leeward Maroon leader, Cudjoe, who for years fought to maintain his people's independence….i say all this to make the point that the British Army wore bright SCARLET jackets which stood out in the foliage of the mountains these escaped slaved settled….the army was ALWAYS rigid re their uniform s n their ‘embellisments’..
@@rasempress9724 yes the regular British Army used to wear red coats, but The Rifles were specialists..they fired Rifles not muskets, they were deployed as skirmishes,, snipers…not in thee battle line….& they wore green.
@@janesmith8831 ‘Red coat, also referred to as redcoat or scarlet tunic, was a military garment which was widely (though not exclusively) used by the infantry units of the British military, including the British Army and Royal Marines, from the 16th to 19th centuries. The garment was also widely used by the British Colonial Auxiliary Forces and the British Indian Army during the 18th and 19th centuries. Though by the 20th centuries the red coat was abandoned for practical duties in favour of khaki by all British and Commonwealth military units, it continues to be used for ceremonial full dress and mess dress uniforms. The usage of red coats by English soldiers dates back to the Tudor period, when the Yeomen of the Guard and the Yeomen Warders were both equipped in the royal colours of the House of Tudor, red and gold. During the Tudor conquest of Ireland and the Wars of the Three Kingdoms, units of English soldiers were equipped in red coats, most notably the New Model Army, which fought on the Parliamentary side. From the mid-17th century to the 19th century, the uniform of most British soldiers (apart from artillery, rifles and light cavalry) included a madder red coat or coatee. From 1873 onwards, the more vivid shade of scarlet was adopted for all ranks, having previously been worn only by officers, sergeants and all ranks of some cavalry regiments.”
+1 great Pleasure to watch these Episodes. They sadly never got aired here in Germany. * 44:45 I would never drink my Scotch with Soda or Ice. I prefer Single Malt pure. It is dark heavy and malty. This is the first Story of Lord Peter. It came out later but it play earlier. Here we meet Bunter the first Time. Where he was Commrad of Lord Peter as Seargant in World War I. Bunter got Lord Peter's Butler, Friend and Assistant. Bunter is the scientific Specialist of the Team. Everything more Forensic is his Belong.
The chamber pot would have been bigger with a lid-because of odors-justifying her belief that no one would look in it. Who would open another person’s chamber pot? I speak as someone who actually used one when growing up.
He was attempting to betray his confederate. He needed a fall-guy to divert attention from himself. He was supposed to drop the emeralds out to Cranton. Instead he delayed Cranton long enough to get him spotted.
big bear fuzzums The british is always silent about the first Boer war. They lost spectacularly. The Boers only lost the second Boer war because the british applied the scorched earth policy. Burning down farms and putting women and children in concentration camps in horrible circumstances. 24 000 children died, half of the children population in the boere republics. Farms burned down, animals killed, women raped and prisoners sent to far off islands. And all done with hundreds of thousands of soldiers against a small local militia.
@@juliewebb620 The beginning of this episode is set just before commencement of the Great War in 1914. That's what they are all talking about during the wedding reception. The Boer War had finished about 10 years previously, in 1903 I think, but I'll have to check that date.
The Nine Tailors is a 1934 mystery novel by the British writer Dorothy L. Sayers, her ninth featuring Lord Peter Wimsey. The story is set in the Cambridgeshire Fens, and revolves around a group of bell-ringers at the local parish church. The book has been described as Sayers' finest literary achievement, although not all critics were convinced by the mode of death, nor by the amount of technical campanology detail included. From Wikipedia 🙌
Wondering if anyone else agrees- I find this “ Lord Peter” more believable as a detective. But Edward Petherbridge is the embodiment of what Dame Dorothy wrote. All of these are greatly enjoyable, and I am really grateful for the uploads. But in a dramatic sense, I miss Mr Petherbridge. (Conversely, Bunter in this series is more true to Dame Dorothy) However, thank very sincerely, I am greatly enjoying these vids.
Here here Ian is perfect for his time but Edward has that lived in wimsys skin and labored under wimseys woes battle scars heartache and all ..he's payed his dues and makes a perfect wimsey and has nothing to prove to anyone or apologize for the perfect actor for a perfect part! I have enjoyed every video no complaint on any episode...I just wish their were more of Edwards as wimsey ..his dynamic with Ms vane is truly Oscar worthy and priceless!
Bonjour Vicky. What a good question you ask. As a kind of "détective moderne" myself, a "stay at home" one, I just asked... Google... And, the answer to your pertinente question is : Major of Rifle Brigade. Elementary, my dear Witton. Bonne journée à vous.
Lord Wimsey seems to have lighter hair, more blond or am I mistaken? Also, does anyone know anything about the black uniform (?) he's wearing at the wedding? Are those military medals? Thanks for any info.
Well done adaptation with a brilliant cast. One question: how could Deacon think he could get away with it? He’s seen as a butler w charm and organizational skills yet thinks he could steal the necklace without his accomplice spilling the beans? He’d have been better off smothering her in bed and taking the loot. 😀
It's included a back story and put Wimsey as a witness to the original crime. In the novel, he has to be told the whole story of the theft, which would make for exceedingly boring television.
Question for the historians here. Would a British Tommy on leave have taken his rifle with him? Wouldn't he have left it at the front for use by others?
I have no idea, but it does seem unlikely that you'd send shell-shocked soldiers back to Blighty on leave, knowing they were going to spend the whole leave drunk, and give them a rifle to take with them. In the book, the soldier is described as being "in full kit," but I took that to mean backpack, with supplies to fill it, but not a rifle.
You never knew where the war was going to be next. So apart from becoming a casualty you would have left with it and come back with it; wherever the front - line had moved to
ekcentrik Well. Are you an American, a Canadian, from New Zealand but not indigenous, Australian? If so, you are because they were and are! The sun never set on the British Empire. Carry on.
Thank you Comrade Lenin. Your solution would be a firing squad. No thank you. I suppose that you approve of killing the tsar, the empress, and their five innocent children.
Have to disagree Ian Carmichael is the real Lord Peter to me but then I listened to the radio plays before I learned the TV show existed and he was the voice actor in all the radio plays
Physically, Petherbridge was much more how I pictured Wimsey, but I enjoyed both men's performances (I liked Petherbridge's better, though). Ian Carmichael should have made more of an effort to lose weight for the series. I'm not trying to fat-shame, but the character is described as very thin, and Carmichael has a naturally stocky build. And I think Carmichael was a little old for the part -- that especially shows in this first episode, where he's playing the 20-something Wimsey of 1914. They honestly shouldn't have written the wedding because Carmichael looks absurdly too old to be the idealistic young Wimsey about to be sent off to the meat-grinder of WW1. Of course, Wimsey was NOT at the wedding in 1914 in the book, and we see no scenes from the wedding in the book, but I suppose I can see why the producers chose to film the theft of the emeralds, as it's visually more compelling than just describing the theft as a past event, as the book does.
My story is.. I first found these stories about a year ago.. Never heard about Dorothy L Sayers before.. and at the time never heard about Lord Peter Wimsey And I got right into it here on YT.. Seeing first the Petherbridge episodes and loved them...but then I saw the Carmichael episodes.. MY GOD ! Ten times better... Suddenly the Edward and Harriet thing faded in comparison ... And here is why.. The Petherbridge take on Wimsey was a meak, please love me, I have a silly face..marry me please!!! That's a wimp.. in my book.. And the whole idea about the Lord Peter is to me anyway a rich man solving crimes, fighting in the ww1, racing cars, can not be a wimp ! Petherbridge the way he plays him would have died by the hands of Grindthorpe in Clouds of witness ..but our MAN!! Ian Carmichael fought the find and won... Even thou he got stuck in Peters Pot...hehe.. Its typical that you as a woman would love the lovey-dovey episodes with Petherbridge and Harriet Vane...and that's ok.. but I must insist that Ian is 10 times better.. and Bunter too... Even the theme tune is better...
lisa shelley totally agree. This Lord Peter, if one had not read the books, would be a believable detective, but not Wimsey. If you have read the books, Mr Petherbridge is so true to character.
I have a hard time getting past the fact that Ian Carmichael is so physically unlike Wimsey as described in the books. Petherbridge was a much better casting choice. If you are not familiar with the books I suppose it would be fine.
I think we Brits do murder mystery better than almost anybody else .
We do indeed !!!!
I'm American and I think so too!
Best productions and best actors par none.
I'm Danish, there is no almost about it 😉
YES!!! I read British Novels all the time. And I just love watching it put to film!! One Grateful American
David Wheaton
I'm Canadian and I agree with you completely that the British excel and outshine everyone else in producing murder mysteries, not to mention other genres of films as well. Thank you Brits!!!
Here in the US Virgin Islands I will watch anything British the older the better and I love miniseries, especially the Period Era❤❤❤
Joan Hickson will always be Miss Marple. David Suchet will always be Hercule Poirot. Jeremy Brett will always be Sherlock Holmes. And......Ian Carmichael will always be Lord Peter Wimsey. No one will ever top Ian Carmichael's Lord Peter!
The Other Guy looks the part more, but totally lacks the dash and sense of humor which Ian Carmichael captures so well (not to mention this music captures the tone better than the lugubriousness of the later version). Bunter's wittier and more appropriate, too. Generally the pace of this version is much better.
Edward Petherbridge embodied Lord Peter Wimsey for me. Elegant and urbane.
@@natashawoof Elisabeth Sladen embodies Harriet Vane for me, and as far as I know, she never played her!
So true!
Nah - go watch Basil Rathbone as Sherlock Holmes and you’ll see Jeremy Brett was just an over-acting imitation. And much as I love Ian Carmichael, Edward Petherbridge was far better in the role as Wimsey. You’re right about Hickson and Suchet though.
I enjoy both Ian Carmichael and Edward Petherbridge's takes on Wimsey.
Watching in honor of my departed mother who loved her Dorthy Sayers and Lord Peter.
Mine also. We also shared a mutual interest in Jane Austen and Charles Dickens and adaptations of those
Mine too 💗
So did my mother!
Watching this on Mother's Day 2024 13 May. 🇺🇸 My mother + I loved watching all things British 🇬🇧
From the days when the BBC acyually produced quality series.
I raised my daughter on English murder mysteries. We still have that in common to this day and can talk endlessly about our favorites
Me too, except I was the daughter. Mom and I still chat about them. Especially the Wimsey novels and series (this one more than the later one).
It was my English Dad who introduced English murder mysteries, now often called "tea cosy" mysteries, to his Canadian daughter, starting with Dame Agatha Christie, of course, and The Murder on the Orient Express (original title: Murder in the Calais Coach). My Dad told me that reading the new Agatha Christie was his English Dad's, my Grandad's, Christmas treat every year.
My absolute favourite of all the Lord Peter Wimsey stories and my favourite actor Ian Carmichael.
It's one of my favourite Wimsey books as well.
Mine too!
@@mfjdv2020 hii can i ask u smtg..?
@@babybutchie hii can i ask u smtg?..
Ditto
There are very few series here in America as nuanced as most British . Whether or not Carmichael is the best LPW is irrelevant .His acting is top drawer. I am enjoying these British shows immensely. Thank goodness for UA-cam.
That's because we're American and not British apparently 1776 was a memory lapse! Along with no foreign entaglments and no political partys
Thanks 😊
Mari: The most important thing is that you and everyone else are enjoying it!
@@bigbearfuzzums7027 ... and yet you STILL use the IMPERIAL units of measurement in your daily life ... instead of switching to metric - which was invented by the french - in gratitude over allowing 1776 to succeed by keeping the Royal Navy busy with a little war of their own.
Why did I shed a tear when Bunter asked to be the replacement butler, why did I find that scene so endearing and touching? This is a damn good show.
My opinion exactly!
Mr Carmichael is the very best Lord Peter!! I love his relationship with Bunter, it was probably very unusual in its time.Dorothy Sayers was very forward thinking for her day. She recognised what the horrors of the war did to the people who had lived through it. Thank you for posting these wonderful shows.
Sayers was also forward thinking when it came to women's role in society. Not surprising since she was the first woman to earn a first at Oxford. But she imbued in her aristocratic detective a respect for others regardless of their social class, and his priceless trait of regarding women as equals to men. Very progressive thinking for the 1930s.
The horrors of the trenches. Always bring a tear to my eye, what these brave souls suffered for us all.
How right you are, Angela. Pillars of society, these men, worthy of great respect and appreciation.
Unfortunately and reprehensibly, those brave lads from all over Europe (as well as Canada, New Zealand and Australia) who were killed in action in the Great War, or worse, horribly mutilated, gassed and/or shell-shocked, were not treated as the heroes they were on being invalided out of the army, or returning home after the Armistice. Nothing was done for these lads, no work was created or found for them, they were not shown any respect or gratitude. Some may have been granted a war or disability pension, but not everyone, and these pensions were far from generous for the ordinary soldiers. It's disgusting and scandalous the way they were treated. Many ended their days in abject poverty, as alcoholics or drug addicts.
They thought they did. Looking back, I wonder how things could have been any worse had the UK and US stayed out of it. Would there have been a Hitler, a Lenin, a Mao...
Those boys deserved a long life-- certainly didn't deserve to fight a war so that their kids would have to fight another that was even worse.
@@mfjdv2020 It's so sad and truly infuriating. The entire reason there was a Great War at all was the lack of will on the part of the leaders of the UK, France, Germany, and Austria-Hungary to stop it. A man shoots and Archduke and the rest of the world goes to war? Ludicrous! It's like Wilkes Booth killing Lincoln and Russia invading Spain as a result. The men in charge of the Allied and Axis powers could have stopped the war before it started, but wanted to play soldiers. After all, they weren't going to be on the front lines. And instead, a bunch of young men were killed, not fighting for any cause, but fighting because their leaders were cowardly and society pressured them (look up White Feather Brigade" if you want someone to blame). They fought and died, or fought and were maimed. And you are correct that they were never respected for it. Millions of families were ruined. And to what end? All the Great War really accomplished was spreading the "Spanish" flu all over the world and killing the young people who managed to survive the war. It was a horrible tragedy. And yet our leaders repeat it over and over again. They never learn.
@@mfjdv2020 There were some mutinies - it's a history which has been near whitewashed out of existence,
popular consciousness. It's quite surprising there were not more, given the odds of survival - one might well have
been better off taking your chances with your comrades, shoot the officers and run for it! (their revolvers were for the purpose of shooting 'cowards')
Native Californian here. I read my first mystery at 5 years of age, it was my Father’s Mickey Spillane. Yes, a bit inappropriate, but I was hooked.
70 years later I still love a beautifully written mystery and I agree that British authors are the best. It must be in their DNA.
A long-standing cultural tradition of reading, writing, and respect for knowledge, discussion and wit. The enjoyment of knowledge and wit for their own sake is a major reason I love to visit England. Watch some of the "Brit-coms". I especially recommend "Black Books"; "Blackadder"; "The Thin Blue Line";"The Detectorists"; "Doc Martin"; and "As Times Goes By". And also "Have I Got News For You". Though it trends liberal, they sometimes have right-wing politicians on this panel show, and both sides appreciate wit and verbal quickness.
Well Put
@@granthurlburt4062 Also a Brit-com fan, I'm still waiting for "Doc Martin", but I and my mother both endorse "As Time Goes by", especially appreciated by those "of a certain age", starring Dame Judy Dench and Geoffrey Palmer. Other favourites include: "Mulberry" with Geraldine McEwan, "May to December", "To the Manor Born" with Peter Bowles and Penelope Keith, "Good Life or Good Neighbours" with Penelope Keith, Felicity Kendal and Richard Briers, "Waiting for God", "Are you Being Served" and "Keeping up Appearances" with Patricia Routledge as the immortal Hyacinth. "Yes, Minister" and its sequel "Yes, Prime Minister", starring Sir Nigel Hawthorne as the iconic Humphrey, are so on topic, even today, they're almost scary. A little different, but also funny are "'Allo, 'Allo" and "Chance in a Million". And if you enjoy John Cleese, Connie Booth and Prunella Scales, "Fawlty Towers".
Liking the pub scene at the 40 minute mark...at the time this series was made, there would have been plenty of people around with vivid memories of the Great War, and what it was like on the home front.
Almost 50 years later they're all gone and their kids are close to 100.
The wheel of time...
I once had asked my grandmother if she remembered the Titanic as she was about 12 when that happened . Of course she remembered WWI .
Absolutely British. Can't be beaten. 🇦🇺❤️
Thanks for putting this on here. I haven't seen it before and I am loving the backstory and Wimsey and Bunter at the Front.
Technically, the title is The Nine Tailors, in reference to the craft of bellringing, a strong motif throughout the novel. "'Nine Tailors' means the nine strokes which at the beginning of the toll for the dead announce to the villagers that a man is dead. A woman's death is announced with 'Six Tailors'. Hence the expression "nine tailors make a man" -- which is NOT a sartorial remark.
@@auntfanny3266 I have rung the bells in the next village of Walpole St. Andrew which is where some of the snowy scenes were filmed. I was still a boy but it was a big event for a sleepy Fenland village to have the filming in our villages. Am watching for the first time now.
Thank you for this explanation!!
@@barryrasberry3981
That must have been so exciting for you...I would have loved it. Many of our church spire bells are no longer used....I play chime tones from the Organ, but it is not the same at all.
Thank you for teaching me a new word. I appreciate your explanation as well.
I do think, your post is the most interesting one, indeed !
Thank you !
The best actor playing Bunter.
Wonderful Bunter backstory, with the "good" Bunter. Love all these Ian Carmichael Lord Peter Wimsey shows, which I first saw 50 years ago. How time flies!
How rude of the chap who wrote the words ‘British crap”. Ours is so much more sophisticated than some others. Ian Carmichael and Edward Petherbridge were both perfect for their time. I believe Dorothy Leigh Sayers would have been thrilled with both their interpretations of Lord Peter.
Well said.
He is entitled to be wrong. Ha ha!
Linda Charles I love that , going to steal it 😂😂😂
Some people like to be contrary just to draw attention to themselves!
tone wheel 7
This is my favorite from the series.
Wish this could be remastered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for sharing these! I love everything about them, including Ian Carmichael and the opening theme. Watched all of them when they first came out.
My uncle Edward Sksggs, died in that he'll hole. My three uncles fought in WW2. My grandson was in Iraq and Afghanistan more he holes.
omg a car chase in which everyone has to stop and crank their cars lol
There is a version of Jane Austen's "Pride & Prejudice" from 1940 ... where they have an "open chariot chase" between two carriages of women in full southern dress. It has nothing to do with the story ... but americans needed some "horse action" back then to get a bit of excitement and to "identify with the story".
Last time I checked this version was on YT (in parts IIRC) ... if you want to have a laugh about it.
Hilarious. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just LOVE this series bringing back so many blissful childhood memories watching it with my Nanny. Thank you so much for sharing ❤
Cars sure took forever to start in those days. Made for a rather stressful getaway. 😁
The tintinnabulation of the bells, bells, bells.
Borrowing from another author?!
So happy this is here!
The quick getaway circa 1918, about ten minutes!
Love British shows
Can't see WWI scenes anymore without looking for Baldrick. 😏
You have my sympathy 😊
First broadcast: Mon 29th Apr 1974, 21:25 on BBC One London
The Nine Tailors by Dorothy L Sayers : adapted in four parts by ANTHONY STEVEN with Ian Carmichael as Lord Peter
Chance - or is it Fate? brings Lord Peter Wimsey back to the village where 20 years - and a World War earlier, he had been witness to a crime thought solved.
Sound DAVID HUGHES Lighting BOB GELL
Designer STANLEY MORRIS Producer Richard BEYNON
Director Raymond Menmuir
Contributors
Unknown:
Anthony Steven
Unknown:
Ian Carmichael
Bunter:
Glyn Houston
Ezra Wilderspin:
Dan Meaden
Mrs Tebbutt:
Maryann Turner
Venables:
Donald Eccles
Will Thoday:
Neil McCarthy
Mary Thoday:
Elizabeth Proud
Jim Thoday:
David Jackson
Mrs Venables:
Elizabeth Bradley
Sir Henry Thorpe:
Geoffrey Russell
Mrs Gates:
Judith Fellows
Dr Baines:
Bill Gavin
Hilary Thorpe:
Gail Harrison
Hezekiah Lavender:
Herbert Ramskill
Jack Godfrey:
Peter Tuddenham
Harry Gotobed:
Charles Lamb
Walter Pratt:
John Duttine
Cranton:
Patrick Jordan
Coroner:
Wally Thomas
Superintendent Blundell:
Keneth Thornett
Just so people know: The novel opens with Wimsey and Bunter getting stuck in a snowstorm at Fenchurch St. Paul, where Wimsey ends up participating in a record peal when other members of the group fall ill with influenza. It does not open with the wedding and reception when the emeralds were stolen, and Wimsey was not at the wedding, nor was he in the house when the emeralds were stolen. Why the very valuable 50 minutes used for this horrid episode were squandered in unnecessarily setting up the backstory at the beginning, thereby ruining the reveal, is incomprehensible to me! Especially bc Sayers herself didn’t dramatize the reception and theft at all, and introduced the family at the “Big House” to Wimsey and the readers in due course, as the story slowly unfolds, which shows those events were completely unimportant in the plot, so unimportant that she has bits and pieces being told from the perspective of various characters throughout the book. And the readers think Deacon is dead all through the novel, right along with the characters, until Will and Mary are caught in London trying to normalize their situation and the whole story starts to come out! Sayers has Nobby very succinctly summarize Deacon’s adventures after murdering the prison guard _at the end of the book_ for a reason, which is to point out that what happened to Deacon was secret, and would have remained secret, if Nobby had died prematurely. I cannot believe the people responsible for this rank stupidity chose to immediately disclose how Deacon made his bumbling way to France and the war, instead of keeping that part secret til the very end….where is the huge shock of the denouement for the viewers, when it is revealed right away that Deacon was still alive and back at Fenchurch St. Paul, and that his was the body buried with Lady Thorpe?? I’m just disgusted, and wish that novels wouldn’t be adapted for TV or films at all if the show is lost from the start! And I also think it was stupid to choose actors in late middle age to play Wimsey, when he was in his mid 40s when he and Harriet finally wed. As much as people rave about Ian Carmichael, he looks nothing like Wimsey, who is always described as on the short side, very slight, very plain, homely even, with his large beaked nose! And Edward Petherbridge looked 60 in the later adaptations!
Hear! Hear!
Why watch?Read.
You're an idiot.
voracious reader
I watched this on DVD last night, after reading your summary, and I was AMAZED that it didn't start with Wimsey's car falling into the ditch.
I had read the book, and watched the TV adaptation years ago, and I had completely forgotten about the 'flashback' scene at the start, which takes up all of episode 1.
It's made obvious that Deacon is still alive right from the start. It might as well be an episode of Columbo!
I'm going to read the novel again. I'm not sure how Cranton would understand the message, unless he too was a bellringer.
Pray do reference my earlier remark.
Whew! See there! Gettin too cocky with myself what. Your vernacular is just melodic and hilarious. I love it. The jewel thief here reminds me of Barrow , Downton Abbey- a house serving/ wait upon person, who is tha farthest thing from a soldier ever!! He is a calluous murderer, too. No remorse that I can see. Deacon.
If your attempting to say an upperty footman who got too far above himself pray do so.
And stop dithering.
@@lordeden2732 So sorry, good man. I like to dither. Words are my thing. Sorry if I offended you.
“Happiness is a poor investment.” Cynical, but there’s at least a little truth in it.
Realistic. Not cynical. And a realistic attitude is invariably based on the ability to recognise and acknowledge the true state of affairs, instead of regarding the world through rose-coloured specs.
@@mfjdv2020 Funny ... how the communist talks about rose-tinted spectacles ... which all your ideas for a society are. There can never be a fair and safe world ... but you people always pretend it is possible and thus demand "people be nice" instead of recognising the danger of keeping children TOO SAFE so they become FRAIL and faint at the mere mention of something they FEEL is offensive.
She means, happiness in marriage. There's the saying, when poverty enters the door, love jumps out of the window. At the time, marriage was, for a woman, a life investment.
@@Muck006 Go be tiresome somewhere else with your right wing rant.
Lord Peter off in hot pursuit. After taking 20 minutes to start the car!😄
The royal Albert country rose pattern tea cup whimsy drinks from near the end of the first episode wasn’t brought out until 1962.
Pardon I whilst I stifel a bored Yawn.
@@lordeden2732 Bore you again. You don’t spell stifel like that.
Tsk tsk. The property department didn't do their research. A small thing, but the details are so important when making period films.
Nero Wolf with Hutton and Chauvin, USA. One of THE all time best. There's good, well done and THE best is rare.
Modern Holmes, Cumberbatch & Friedman. PIOROT David Suchet. Some of the Morse, Wexford. Just started watching this series.
Royal Albert “Old Country Roses” teacup
Thank you! I did wonder.
This pattern turns up everywhere. It must be one of the most popular ones ever. Unfortunately, I don't care for it myself. One of my minor amusements is spotting china patterns in movies and TV shows. Very often, cheaper quality china is used in the most expensive, sophisticated, high class situations :) The funniest example of this that I've come across is the circular floor pattern of the Jedi Temple's Council room from the Star Wars movie franchise which is a perfect copy of an average priced, medium quality, very common china plate pattern.
"Q"! (Desmond Llewelyn). James Bond's armorer and weapon inventor.
You may also enjoy the radio adaptation yes, with Ian Carmichael, which is occasionally heard on BBC Radio 4 Extra.
And here on UA-cam, as are all the others plus one that was not televised.
Yes, I've been looking forward to trying that.
Yup. From Canada.
We all talk about Ian Carmichael as the ideal Wimsey (and I agree totally), but how about Bunter!? What's the actor's name? He deserves roses, I'd say.
So much flashback.
In the novel, it's simply influenza, not Spanish flu.
hii can i ask u smtg
@@wheeinismylife6056 Sure thing.
I believe that the "Spanish Influenza" was gone by 1934.
It's peculiar, because I think the term "Spanish flu" is pretty much restricted to the 1918 flu, and in the teleplay they are speaking of it in the 30s. You'll right--it should be just influenza.
Thank you so much for this. However, it is tailors. Plural if it is 9. Bless you. I am not smart enough to put things online!!!
You have GOT to read this book!!!!!!I am not kidding
She was an acknowledged genius , and some say, a member of OSS ( now, CIA)
The book is far better.
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 who?
@@glen7318
The Author...
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 I hardly think that DLS was a member of CIA,.. if its meant ot be the American intelligence agency
The 'Coded Meassage' to find the Necklace sent to Cranton from Dean puzzeled me. There was no way Cranton could decipher that message. A flaw by the author??
Did he honestly think that he would get away with it when he opened the window so noisily? What was he thinking??
I think it was deliberate, he wanted the alarm to be raised. If he had dropped the case to Cranton when all was quiet, Cranton would have had time to look in it and see it was empty. As it was he could press it on Cranton and tell him to run - obviously he hoped Cranton would get clean away, and would never be able to tell on him without incriminating himself
Oh Wimsey has a moustache in this episode 😮
How can I get this to play the right shape? It's stretched out to 16:9 rather than 4:3/
Imust say I was a little puzzled by this first episode, because I have read the original novel, which begins with Lord Peter's car breaking down, but light did begin to dawn later on!
* I must not Imust apologies...
@@davidcrook4166 Hii Can I ask you something?
@@iloveyourmom2 Hello Christina sorry I haven't replied before but my laptop has been out of action since my former landlord removed all internet equipment from the house when he sold it the new owners served notice on us I finally have access again having moved into a flat as opposed to a shared house Hope I haven't offended in any way David J. Crook
I actually like this version of the story slightly better than Sayers' original version. I like the idea that this case has been weaving through Whimsey's life since he was a young man. I think that she would have approved of the alteration.
@@tessat338 Very likely On the other hand, I like the way the original novel began: "That's torn it!"
this is a real back story WW1 and Wimsey and then onto the 20's these were so well made .Mind you a faithful remake now 40 years later would be welcome too who could play wimsey?? Tom Hughes?
Nobody
Make it now? None of the accents would work and they'd dumb it down and rewrite it to make it "relevant"
@@homeone4054 Right, most people on radio and TV nowadays seem to be afflicted with a dreadful nasal cockney whine.
Sometimes it's best to leave a good thing alone.
@@mfjdv2020 The problem these days isnt the accent ... but rather the feminist/BLM/rainbow ideological crap which they NEED to include. A "remake" would probably make Bunter black and Lord Peter gay.
A "proposal" seemed just about right. All that was missing was Bunter getting down on one knee.
No no no Mon Ami BOM, who the help is this Lord guy😮.
Shocking 🥶 quality, Think I'm bored😴🥱😴🥱
Bell ringing is a mystery to me. Change ringing with its strange formulae. I often read this book and wonder .
31:50 no sign of Black Adder or even Baldrick.
You got that right
Watching this n seeing the ornaments on Peter’s uniform , brought this to mind..am Jamaican n in 1739, the British had to sign a treaty with escaped slaves in Jamaica…these escaped slaves were called Maroons…Maroons," a word derived from "Cimarron," which means "fierce" or "unruly."…at any rate the British army was unsuccesful in conquering n recapturing these escaped slaves , so a Treaty was signed…In 1739-40, the British government in Jamaica recognized that it could not defeat the Maroons, so Trelawny offered them peace treaties instead. In 1739, the colonial militia signed the first treaty with the Leeward Maroon leader, Cudjoe, who for years fought to maintain his people's independence….i say all this to make the point that the British Army wore bright SCARLET jackets which stood out in the foliage of the mountains these escaped slaved settled….the army was ALWAYS rigid re their uniform s n their ‘embellisments’..
It is the dress uniform of The Rifle Brigade…they wear dark green not red.
@@janesmith8831 boo, bk in the day , who eva dem sent wore scarlet coats..said ting in Africa..check out the Zulu wars n u wi see dem red coats
@@rasempress9724 yes the regular British Army used to wear red coats, but The Rifles were specialists..they fired Rifles not muskets, they were deployed as skirmishes,, snipers…not in thee battle line….& they wore green.
@@janesmith8831 ‘Red coat, also referred to as redcoat or scarlet tunic, was a military garment which was widely (though not exclusively) used by the infantry units of the British military, including the British Army and Royal Marines, from the 16th to 19th centuries. The garment was also widely used by the British Colonial Auxiliary Forces and the British Indian Army during the 18th and 19th centuries. Though by the 20th centuries the red coat was abandoned for practical duties in favour of khaki by all British and Commonwealth military units, it continues to be used for ceremonial full dress and mess dress uniforms.
The usage of red coats by English soldiers dates back to the Tudor period, when the Yeomen of the Guard and the Yeomen Warders were both equipped in the royal colours of the House of Tudor, red and gold. During the Tudor conquest of Ireland and the Wars of the Three Kingdoms, units of English soldiers were equipped in red coats, most notably the New Model Army, which fought on the Parliamentary side.
From the mid-17th century to the 19th century, the uniform of most British soldiers (apart from artillery, rifles and light cavalry) included a madder red coat or coatee. From 1873 onwards, the more vivid shade of scarlet was adopted for all ranks, having previously been worn only by officers, sergeants and all ranks of some cavalry regiments.”
depends on what unit of the army.
Hit by shotgun fire, then climbs over a high wall. Top hole what!
Top ho 😏
@@kathleencampbell1138 No, 'top hole' is correct.
Has anybody bought or rented this, Is the quality any better???
Yes deffo. My parents used to have the vhs tapes lol. And it was clear. Not sure if they’re on dvd yet?
+1 great Pleasure to watch these Episodes. They sadly never got aired here in Germany. * 44:45 I would never drink my Scotch with Soda or Ice. I prefer Single Malt pure. It is dark heavy and malty. This is the first Story of Lord Peter. It came out later but it play earlier. Here we meet Bunter the first Time. Where he was Commrad of Lord Peter as Seargant in World War I. Bunter got Lord Peter's Butler, Friend and Assistant. Bunter is the scientific Specialist of the Team. Everything more Forensic is his Belong.
hii can i ask u smtg?
@@wheeinismylife6056 Yes of Course.
do u have anything i can message u on? i really need help :(
@@wheeinismylife6056 firelord6685yt@gmail.com
@@Firelord-ry6gg u don't have an instagram or anything?
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Rather old 'young Wimsey'...
The chamber pot would have been bigger with a lid-because of odors-justifying her belief that no one would look in it. Who would open another person’s chamber pot? I speak as someone who actually used one when growing up.
When the butler couldn’t get the window open, why didn’t he go back out the door? He wouldn’t have made any noise doing that
He was attempting to betray his confederate. He needed a fall-guy to divert attention from himself. He was supposed to drop the emeralds out to Cranton. Instead he delayed Cranton long enough to get him spotted.
@@tessat338 True. I didn’t think of that.
Driving a Mercedes and off to war with the Germans.The irony.
No, idiot! Its was the Boer war. That was against the South African Boers. Look at the costumes for starters
It was WW1 , trench warfare! June spider! Don't be rude , especially when you're wrong!
Delicious irony since neither the boers or the Germans won!
big bear fuzzums
The british is always silent about the first Boer war. They lost spectacularly.
The Boers only lost the second Boer war because the british applied the scorched earth policy. Burning down farms and putting women and children in concentration camps in horrible circumstances. 24 000 children died, half of the children population in the boere republics. Farms burned down, animals killed, women raped and prisoners sent to far off islands. And all done with hundreds of thousands of soldiers against a small local militia.
@@juliewebb620 The beginning of this episode is set just before commencement of the Great War in 1914. That's what they are all talking about during the wedding reception. The Boer War had finished about 10 years previously, in 1903 I think, but I'll have to check that date.
Some director had a fetish for vertical objects blocking the shots.
9 Tailors ....
Nine tellers. Nine strokes of the passing bell for a man
@@mavisemberson8737 Oh, yes. Thanks for that. Makes much better sense.
TailorS. And what a strange opening.
Where does this fit in Dorothy Sayer's stories? Or I can look it up. Thanks.
The Nine Tailors is a 1934 mystery novel by the British writer Dorothy L. Sayers, her ninth featuring Lord Peter Wimsey. The story is set in the Cambridgeshire Fens, and revolves around a group of bell-ringers at the local parish church. The book has been described as Sayers' finest literary achievement, although not all critics were convinced by the mode of death, nor by the amount of technical campanology detail included.
From Wikipedia 🙌
Wondering if anyone else agrees-
I find this “ Lord Peter” more believable as a detective. But Edward Petherbridge is the embodiment of what Dame Dorothy wrote. All of these are greatly enjoyable, and I am really grateful for the uploads. But in a dramatic sense, I miss Mr Petherbridge. (Conversely, Bunter in this series is more true to Dame Dorothy)
However, thank very sincerely, I am greatly enjoying these vids.
I prefer Ian Carmichael. He is a perfect Lord Peter Wimsey.
Maybe Ian aint your cup of tea and Edward maybe closer to the books doncha know, But I bet Dame Dorothy would have adored both equally.
The author's name is Dorothy L. Sayers; she is not 'Dame Dorothy', which would be the equivalent of a knighthood.
Nobody comes close to Ian Carmichael tbh
Here here Ian is perfect for his time but Edward has that lived in wimsys skin and labored under wimseys woes battle scars heartache and all ..he's payed his dues and makes a perfect wimsey and has nothing to prove to anyone or apologize for the perfect actor for a perfect part! I have enjoyed every video no complaint on any episode...I just wish their were more of Edwards as wimsey ..his dynamic with Ms vane is truly Oscar worthy and priceless!
Drink and drive. Very naughty....
Weird to see Q playing a toff.
Long shot but if anyone looks at my comment, could you please tell me what on earth uniform Lord Peter is wearing?
Bonjour Vicky. What a good question you ask. As a kind of "détective moderne" myself, a "stay at home" one, I just asked... Google... And, the answer to your pertinente question is : Major of Rifle Brigade. Elementary, my dear Witton. Bonne journée à vous.
Winding up the getaway car must have been a bit***.
Lord Wimsey seems to have lighter hair, more blond or am I mistaken? Also, does anyone know anything about the black uniform (?) he's wearing at the wedding? Are those military medals? Thanks for any info.
It looks like dress uniform for The Rifles…it’s not black it’s dark green with black frogging.
@@janesmith8831 Thanks for the info!👍
Well done adaptation with a brilliant cast. One question: how could Deacon think he could get away with it? He’s seen as a butler w charm and organizational skills yet thinks he could steal the necklace without his accomplice spilling the beans? He’d have been better off smothering her in bed and taking the loot. 😀
He couldn't have gotten away with that, either.
That would be murder.... he would hang for it if caught...
It has changed the original novel too much. I prefer the novel.
It's included a back story and put Wimsey as a witness to the original crime. In the novel, he has to be told the whole story of the theft, which would make for exceedingly boring television.
@@clareredfarn8613 Yep ... "show, don't tell".
Hear! Hear!
You can't just film a book. It would be boring. You need to dramatize it to make it more interesting.
@@SymphonyBrahms Then pick another book! There are plenty out there....
Question for the historians here. Would a British Tommy on leave have taken his rifle with him? Wouldn't he have left it at the front for use by others?
I have no idea, but it does seem unlikely that you'd send shell-shocked soldiers back to Blighty on leave, knowing they were going to spend the whole leave drunk, and give them a rifle to take with them. In the book, the soldier is described as being "in full kit," but I took that to mean backpack, with supplies to fill it, but not a rifle.
I understand that they were required to take all their equipment with them. This includes their rifle.
romanbrough yes. I have a vague idea leaving your weapon was one step below desertion
hardly.... everyone had their own kit including rifle
You never knew where the war was going to be next. So apart from becoming a casualty you would have left with it and come back with it; wherever the front - line had moved to
She put her jewelry in the chamber pot?
Yes
That is really a stupid place, because a) you might need it and b) servants will come across it.
@@Muck006 I think it was hidden under the chamber pot.. but her maid did know....
@@glen7318 It shows her putting it inside the chamber pot.
🇺🇦✌️🙏👍👍👍👍!!!
"It's against the law to shoot burglars." Ummmm.....didn't he break the law by being a burglar?
You would think so, but... uggh. - Took a class on homeowner's defense last year. Laws are a strange thing...
In many countries we do not shoot burglars or anyone. Armed Police are a recent innovation ,too. Americans must be aware that legal codes differ
Breaking the law doesnt remove your rights ...
Perhaps,but the shooter’s life was not in danger;mustn’t “murder” a burglar.
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Why is an English policeman saying “Lef-tenant”?
That's how we pronounce it .
@@mandeville7474 same in my homeland of Canada ...
Speaking English not American
@@anneroy4560 I believe the spelling or writing "lie-u-tenant" is a corruption of lie-v-tenant which would explain the le-f-tenant pronunciation.
Sorry ... but to be honest, I must say that the viewing of the video onto a PC device is a shitty one.
No worth to spend a minute on it.
Too bad😵...
They really overdo the obnoxious aristocracy bit. I was glad that old biddy's necklace was stolen.
ekcentrik Well. Are you an American, a Canadian, from New Zealand but not indigenous, Australian? If so, you are because they were and are! The sun never set on the British Empire. Carry on.
Spoken like a jaded communist twat! Theft and ridicule is all communists do before their burried alive!
Thank you Comrade Lenin. Your solution would be a firing squad. No thank you. I suppose that you approve of killing the tsar, the empress, and their five innocent children.
jealous of people with class?
Edward Peteridge is the excellent Lord Peter //// sorry but Ian Camichael is not
Have to disagree Ian Carmichael is the real Lord Peter to me but then I listened to the radio plays before I learned the TV show existed and he was the voice actor in all the radio plays
Physically, Petherbridge was much more how I pictured Wimsey, but I enjoyed both men's performances (I liked Petherbridge's better, though). Ian Carmichael should have made more of an effort to lose weight for the series. I'm not trying to fat-shame, but the character is described as very thin, and Carmichael has a naturally stocky build.
And I think Carmichael was a little old for the part -- that especially shows in this first episode, where he's playing the 20-something Wimsey of 1914. They honestly shouldn't have written the wedding because Carmichael looks absurdly too old to be the idealistic young Wimsey about to be sent off to the meat-grinder of WW1.
Of course, Wimsey was NOT at the wedding in 1914 in the book, and we see no scenes from the wedding in the book, but I suppose I can see why the producers chose to film the theft of the emeralds, as it's visually more compelling than just describing the theft as a past event, as the book does.
My story is.. I first found these stories about a year ago.. Never heard about Dorothy L Sayers before.. and at the time never heard about Lord Peter Wimsey And I got right into it here on YT.. Seeing first the Petherbridge episodes and loved them...but then I saw the Carmichael episodes.. MY GOD ! Ten times better... Suddenly the Edward and Harriet thing faded in comparison ... And here is why.. The Petherbridge take on Wimsey was a meak, please love me, I have a silly face..marry me please!!! That's a wimp.. in my book.. And the whole idea about the Lord Peter is to me anyway a rich man solving crimes, fighting in the ww1, racing cars, can not be a wimp ! Petherbridge the way he plays him would have died by the hands of Grindthorpe in Clouds of witness ..but our MAN!! Ian Carmichael fought the find and won... Even thou he got stuck in Peters Pot...hehe.. Its typical that you as a woman would love the lovey-dovey episodes with Petherbridge and Harriet Vane...and that's ok.. but I must insist that Ian is 10 times better.. and Bunter too... Even the theme tune is better...
lisa shelley totally agree. This Lord Peter, if one had not read the books, would be a believable detective, but not Wimsey. If you have read the books, Mr Petherbridge is so true to character.
I have a hard time getting past the fact that Ian Carmichael is so physically unlike Wimsey as described in the books. Petherbridge was a much better casting choice. If you are not familiar with the books I suppose it would be fine.
What unwatchable nonsense.
Fred Astaire fucks his grandmother!