@@Cosmoknowledge No, That's a Huge underestimation. Black holes like even our Sagittarius A Will most likely Take a Google years let alone Pheonix A or TON 618
@@Cosmoknowledge that is actually quite an underestemation something like ton618 or that phoenix a would take close to/ more than 10^100 years to evaporate. quadrillions is nothing compared to that
Dang you have not only one of the best YT's for information but your cgi is spectacular my friend.. Some times (like this one) I can just get lost in it and truly imagine I see the object of discussion. Russ's perfect voice fits right into the illusion and I am in space watching as he tells me about the object of the video.. Man you can not get better than that.. Ardit send my very deep thanks to the whole team.. this is my only chance to get out to space.. and it works sometimes to perfection..
@@Cosmoknowledge I always love knowledge and understanding.. and brother the way you present things I can get so lost that it makes my knowledge spring into understand.. so thank you and all that help you.. Merry Christmas you two..
Terrified??? Why??? I get if you are amazed, who doesn't?? But terrified??? You must fear the little ones wandering across the universe wich we will never see them coming
we need to calculate it by using the same data i reckon.. multiply 5.8billion with 60 as the last part suggested that the black hole is eating mass equivalent to 60 suns every year.. my god .. the number is just beyond me.. i know that these numbers can never be correct with just mere multiplications.. but its just a very simple approach..
@@nmk3817 Scientists' calculations with these big numbers are always slippery. They once found a star they thought was extremely big, biggest star ever. Even bigger than some of the biggest black holes right now. After weeks of study they found out that the calculations were wrong and the star seemed so big because it's actually smaller but rather close to us, thus making the illusion it's actually big. That's why it's always good to take all astronomical calculations with a big grain of salt. So first we have the slippery calculation about the black hole being 100 billions times the sun, then we have the slippery calculation of it eating 60 suns a year, the we have slippery calculation of it being 5.8 billion light years away. When there is estimate above estimate above estimate the end result is probably wrong.
the black hole consumes the equivalent to 60 suns of mass per a single year this means that as of now, it has consumed the equivalent of 510 000 000 000 suns this is roughly 1.01439*10^{42} kilograms how much is that? 10 followed by 42 zeros or roughly 10 Tredecillion kg 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 KILOGRAMS do you know the MOST terrifying part? this means that the black hole is now 5x bigger... FIVE TIMES
Not true, the distance in light years isn't how long it has taken light to reach us. Otherwise how are we seeing galaxies much "further" than the age of the universe?
@@BC-wj8fx That has already been explained as error in calculations and crazy relativistic effects. They're not actually "further" than the age of the universe.
@@BC-wj8fx Isn't the universe around 13.7 billion years old? As far as I'm aware, we haven't really discovered anything over 13.7 billion light-years away from us.
@@Meemzeh It will never be dangerous to us. The Phoenix A Cluster is located 8.6 billion light years from Earth and, like all galaxies beyond the Local Group, is moving away from us.
The largest black hole ever discovered is located within the Phoenix galaxy cluster around 8.5 billion light years away. The Phoenix Cluster is one of the most intensely studied galaxy clusters in our universe
I first saw TON 618 on the 'planets size' video, it just blew my mind how big it was, I felt as if a large wind was blowing all over my body truly amazing!
There is a question that i do to myself... Is the size of a black hole a magnitud that we can percieve in a visual way? I mean, they compare the mass of a black hole with the máss of our sun, but i read somewhere that the black holes have just Two type of size and that size is measure in the mass compress inside of itself, but at our eyes the visual size remains the same. I am wrong ?
When we say a black hole's size we usually mean the diameter of the event horizon. The black sphere surrounding the singularity. No light can escape it. First, an event horizon would blend in with the black background of space, so it would be hard for us to see it, but if we could, yes black holes with bigger masses have bigger event horizons, black holes with smaller masses have smaller event horizons. I think that answers your question
And to think that black holes are extremely dense so they're way smaller than their mass is Imagine if they had the density of lead how unimaginably huge it would be
@@aymaan8552 Common misconception. Black holes have zero volume and infinite density - this combo projects a gravity field whose escape velocity exceeds the speed of light after a certain point, known as the event horizon. When we say "this black hole is x big" we mean that it's gravity begins pulling faster than light after you get x far away from the infinitely dense heart of the black hole.
Yep it can be considering that ton 618 is actually 18 billion light years away and since the universe is expanding we are seeing it or observing it how it was 10 billion years ago
Are there any galaxies throughout history that have simply vanished, because their own supermassive black holes at the centre ate all their stars at a faster rate than they created new ones? 🤯
I can't even keep up anymore. I thought it was TON 618, is this up to date or is there another stupendously large celestial object found within few months.
That galaxy must be so extremely violent from all the star creation. I can’t even imagine the amount of cosmic energy released daily there. But why am I talking about days? Time has no bounds with distances that far in space. This really is the endgame.
The largest ever black hole is Tonantzintla 618, stop taking everything on wikipedia. Also if ur gonna say the overestimate of the mass, you should also count Tonantzintla 618's overestimation, which is 1-2 Trillion Solar Masses.
But isn't that its past size? Okay Phoneix A* is 590.5bkm and TON618 is 390bkm so there is a 200bkm difference. But considering that Phoneix A* is 8.57 billion ly from Earth, and TON618 is 18.2 billion ly; there is a "9.63 billion light years growth time" difference not being taken in consideration. So the size difference between Phoneix A* and TON618 is smaller than we know.
How many million light years away from earth is this one? Meaning, by the time we see what is happened today on this black hole, the date if we still keep them in the future, will probably have seven digits to it
People keep saying “no it’s this one, no it’s that one” Ok here’s how this one is the biggest 1 Solar mass=the mass of the sun Ton 618: 66 billion Solar Masses BH3: 33 billion Solar Masses S5 0014+81: 40 billion Solar Masses Phoenix-A: 100 Billion Solar masses
In real time TON-618 is more massive as it is 2x further away. We see what Phoenix A looked like 5B years ago but we see what TON looked like 10B years ago. So TON is probably more massive by now
This is likely incorrect. TON 618 is still likely the largest blackhole. I hate to derail the hype train around Phoenix A*, but the speculated size of Phoenix A* star commonly mentioned on the internet is likely over exagerated for a few reasons. The commonly cited 100 billion solar mass estimate comes from a paper written collaboratively by the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy and the University of Queenslands School of Mathematics and Physics, entitled "Unveiling Gargantua: A new search strategy for the most massive central cluster black holes". This extreme estimate was determined not by any direct measurements of Phoenix A* itself, but by a (at the time) new and relatively untested method for searching for these types of black holes (as the title of the paper states). Not only this, but this same study also gave a similar mass estimate to another black hole: IC1101*. IC1101* has been extensively studied by many groups. Multitudes of estimates have been made about its mass over the years, most being around 40 billion solar masses give or take. Futhermore, follow up studies have significantly backtracked the proposed 100 billion solar mass estimate in years following the study, citing the Phoenix A* black holes inability to stop star formation as an indicator of a mass of around 40 billion solar masses. All that being said, there is some doubt regarding the massive 100 billion solar mass estimate commonly stated about this black hole. Most of the information I'm referencing comes from a fantastically made video by SEA, which I will link. I highly recommend watching that video, as well as his other content if you are a space enthusiast. Hope this cleared up some confusion! SEA's Video: ua-cam.com/video/gIvGSW1Mlm8/v-deo.htmlsi=M0sogduuRvDwuTQG Unveiling Gargantua: arxiv.org/abs/1509.04782
Ton 618 was one of the largest black holes that scientist created a new category. Ton 618 is an ultra massive black hole meaning that if phoenix a is bigger than ton 618 it to would be a ultra massive right?
I have a slight problem with the perspective view of blackholes as of now. They have imaged stars being slingshotted around a central blackhole. How is this possible? Shouldn't anything anywhere near the event horizon be significantly slowed??? If that is true then, why do these slingshot stars not freeze for at minimum, our lifetime?
You dont know how many matter is in a singularity. For singularity it gives no constant mathematic equation. It can be small like a atom or big like a sun , but the first one have more matter or gravity then the second one. But you need a star , that is big enough to be a black hole after supernova. How you know what matter is in the star and how big is the density of the star core or even how high is the gravity in the star core ?
Ton 618 contains a supermassive black hole weighing 66 billion solar masses. So it's almost twice the mass of Ton 618. I believe there are even larger supermassive black holes out there, some larger than a trillion solar masses.
If its 5.8 billion light years away and eats 60 times the mass of the sun per year, That means it has currently 348 billion times that much more mass of the sun than we can currently see.
wait since its a galaxy cluster and if this video of pheonix a is legit and realistic i see white on one side and black on the other side, since it's a galaxy cluster could it be possible that theres a white whole mixed with a black hole??? I know white holes don't exist but since its a cluster of galaxies it could be possible.
It isnt confirmed yet so we can only speculate ton 618 is located more than 10 billion light years away while phoenix a is located around 5 billion light years meaing we are seeing ton 618,5 billion years older as compared to phoenix a.which we can conclude that ton 618 has experience and alot of time to grow black holes can accumulate up to billions of solar masses in that amount of time plus the universe back around almost 11 billion years ago was still relatively small and compact and dense which made sufficient resources and materials to be eaiser to be accumulated which mean ton 618 might have grown at a rate higher than phoenix a Pheonix a is estimated at around 100 billion solar masses around 5 billion years ago and ton 618 at 66 billion around 10 billion years ago the size difference is big but not to far off around that time we can put phoenix size around 50-60 billion solar masses. They could be similar in size or phoenix a or ton 618 can be bigger than each other but right now my moneys on ton 618
Black holes are such a mystery and the most terrifying discovery made by mankind. In fact, so terrifying and amazing that I wouldn’t mind dying by a black hole. That’s how much respect I have for em. 🫡
@@Cosmoknowledge oh ok I thought it was on our galaxy because our galaxy is 100 billion light years and the black hole is only like 6 billion light years away
@@FootballXRealMadridAre you consuming drugs or what ? Milky Way galaxy is 100000 light years large and the ultra massive black hole Phoenix A* is nearly 6 Billion light years far from milky way galaxy, that means the image of this black hole which we received is 6 Billion years old , so it might become twice as big as it was 6 billion years ago and it is more than 100 Billion times bigger than our Sun and also it might formed just after the big bang by collisions of numerous other supermassive black holes, which makes it one of the oldest black hole and do you know black holes like Phoenix A* and Ton618 Will live approximately till 1¹⁰⁰ years, which makes them almost immortal
Look, every calculation of all these extreme objects ignore what we know are the most influential forces and particles that make up dark matter, but they insist on ignoring it by assuming it doesn’t exist, while everyone knows that it does. It's like astrophysicists deciding to monkey the gears of Newtonian physics in the absence of a theory of Relativity. In hindsight, that just wouldn't work.
Black holes are the most powerful, or, in other words, strongest entities in the universe! Do you think that they could be an entrance to a paralell universe?
Well, I'm someone who says anything is possible, but at the moment my answer is that this simply isn't supported by our current understanding of the laws of physics and general relativity.
I tried to imagine how big it would be and yeah it can’t be fathomed. It’s just not possible for a human to see something that big is just idk it wouldn’t make sense
its groing with the rate of 60 suns per year and its 5.8 billion light years away so today it has to be 448 billion solar masses in this present day imagine that
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5.8 billion light years away. Makes you wonder if its still there or if its gotten even bigger
It's definitely still there and bigger than this. It takes quadrillions and quadrillions of years for black holes to evaporate.
@@Cosmoknowledge No, That's a Huge underestimation. Black holes like even our Sagittarius A Will most likely Take a Google years let alone Pheonix A or TON 618
It’s closer than Ton 618 by quite a bit.
@@Cosmoknowledge that is actually quite an underestemation something like ton618 or that phoenix a would take close to/ more than 10^100 years to evaporate. quadrillions is nothing compared to that
idk lemme wait some time ill tell ya
RIP TON 618! You were once thought to be the most legendary of black holes.
Oh its still is legendary. It is a titan amongst titans
Dang you have not only one of the best YT's for information but your cgi is spectacular my friend.. Some times (like this one) I can just get lost in it and truly imagine I see the object of discussion. Russ's perfect voice fits right into the illusion and I am in space watching as he tells me about the object of the video.. Man you can not get better than that.. Ardit send my very deep thanks to the whole team.. this is my only chance to get out to space.. and it works sometimes to perfection..
Tink, I always appreciate your words of motivation. Thanks for spreading positivity, my friend! ✌️
@@Cosmoknowledge I always love knowledge and understanding.. and brother the way you present things I can get so lost that it makes my knowledge spring into understand.. so thank you and all that help you.. Merry Christmas you two..
Perfectly said
His graphics sources are in the video description, definitely do check out SpaceEngine! You'll love it!
@@Cosmoknowledge PHOENIX A (MILLER OBJECT)
I was terrified of TON 618. Now this behemoth exists. My god
Craziness.
@@diomedes7971 That's the terrifying part
@@khumokwezimashapa2245 whats EVEN more terrifying? It can be 10x its solar mass we see today if it dont stop growing.
Terrified??? Why??? I get if you are amazed, who doesn't?? But terrified??? You must fear the little ones wandering across the universe wich we will never see them coming
@@kikoelargento9905 LOL that's even worse
60 suns per year is actually quite generous for its size
I know right!?
If you’re wondering where he got some of this footage from, not All the footage but a lot comes from a game called space engine, it’s on steam
That was 5.8 billion years ago.... how big is it now in real time!!😱
we need to calculate it by using the same data i reckon.. multiply 5.8billion with 60 as the last part suggested that the black hole is eating mass equivalent to 60 suns every year.. my god .. the number is just beyond me.. i know that these numbers can never be correct with just mere multiplications.. but its just a very simple approach..
@@nmk3817 Scientists' calculations with these big numbers are always slippery. They once found a star they thought was extremely big, biggest star ever. Even bigger than some of the biggest black holes right now. After weeks of study they found out that the calculations were wrong and the star seemed so big because it's actually smaller but rather close to us, thus making the illusion it's actually big.
That's why it's always good to take all astronomical calculations with a big grain of salt.
So first we have the slippery calculation about the black hole being 100 billions times the sun, then we have the slippery calculation of it eating 60 suns a year, the we have slippery calculation of it being 5.8 billion light years away.
When there is estimate above estimate above estimate the end result is probably wrong.
I don't even wanna think about it. 😄
@@Cosmoknowledge lol exactly haha ! Merry Christmas Ardnt to you and the family and the Cosmoknowledge family and fans and Happy and Safe New Year !!
@@gravy4708 crazy right and understandably we can't be exact. But that's what makes it fun and interesting regardless
So we’re seeing how big it was 8.5 billion years ago, imagine how bit it is now 😵💫
Yeah fr imagine it now …. That shits scary
the black hole consumes the equivalent to 60 suns of mass per a single year
this means that as of now, it has consumed the equivalent of 510 000 000 000 suns
this is roughly 1.01439*10^{42} kilograms
how much is that?
10 followed by 42 zeros
or roughly 10 Tredecillion kg
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 KILOGRAMS
do you know the MOST terrifying part?
this means that the black hole is now 5x bigger... FIVE TIMES
Not true, the distance in light years isn't how long it has taken light to reach us. Otherwise how are we seeing galaxies much "further" than the age of the universe?
@@BC-wj8fx That has already been explained as error in calculations and crazy relativistic effects. They're not actually "further" than the age of the universe.
@@BC-wj8fx Isn't the universe around 13.7 billion years old? As far as I'm aware, we haven't really discovered anything over 13.7 billion light-years away from us.
Phoenix A would be the longest one to go extinct because its so big. I love your videos
It would really be alive at the end of the universe's life. Thank you so much!
@@Cosmoknowledgeentropy would erase it though
@@Cosmoknowledgethere’s a chance it can be the last black hole to evaporate
There might be even bigger black holes somewhere else in space, since space is so neverending big?
The numbers are incomprehensible. We're seeing Phoenix A as it was 6 billion years ago. Imagine how much it has grown since then.
Crazy to think about!
Does that mean it's not dangerous for us right now?
@@Meemzeh It will never be dangerous to us. The Phoenix A Cluster is located 8.6 billion light years from Earth and, like all galaxies beyond the Local Group, is moving away from us.
@Meemzeh yea that and the fact that even if it were a future threat to our galaxy you'd be long dead before then
I'm not afraid of black holes anymore since watching, Interstellar. Cheers Tars..
"So.... what's your diet like?"
"Umm.... little more than a sun per week"
The largest black hole ever discovered is located within the Phoenix galaxy cluster around 8.5 billion light years away. The Phoenix Cluster is one of the most intensely studied galaxy clusters in our universe
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Didnt that dude say that in the video?
I’ve heard that sentence the exact way you said it in all the other vids about phoenix , not a bad thing whatsoever just thought I’d mention
Very informative video! Black holes fascinate me.
They are quite intense 😄. Thank you, Amelia.
@@Cosmoknowledge You're welcome 😁.
@J-Funk Great 😃👍.
@J-Funk 🙂
I first saw TON 618 on the 'planets size' video, it just blew my mind how big it was, I felt as if a large wind was blowing all over my body truly amazing!
So ancient and colossal, surely there are bigger out there.
Most probably.
@@Cosmoknowledge no doubt
I love the brain overload from content like this ,it's just amazing
There is a question that i do to myself... Is the size of a black hole a magnitud that we can percieve in a visual way? I mean, they compare the mass of a black hole with the máss of our sun, but i read somewhere that the black holes have just Two type of size and that size is measure in the mass compress inside of itself, but at our eyes the visual size remains the same. I am wrong ?
You have black holes of all sizes. From black holes billions of times the Sun, down to what some evidence shows black holes the size of atoms.
I think its the radius of the event horizon.
When we say a black hole's size we usually mean the diameter of the event horizon. The black sphere surrounding the singularity. No light can escape it. First, an event horizon would blend in with the black background of space, so it would be hard for us to see it, but if we could, yes black holes with bigger masses have bigger event horizons, black holes with smaller masses have smaller event horizons. I think that answers your question
There are probably monsters lurking beyond the observable universe that are MUCH bigger than even this one.
And to think that black holes are extremely dense so they're way smaller than their mass is
Imagine if they had the density of lead how unimaginably huge it would be
Well, a black hole the mass of the sun could have a size of about 3km.
Pretty sure such an object would be a few tens (or maybe even hundreds) of light years in diameter
Actually a black hole this large would be the least dense object in the universe
@@aymaan8552 Black Holes this size are just as dense as smaller black holes
@@aymaan8552 Common misconception. Black holes have zero volume and infinite density - this combo projects a gravity field whose escape velocity exceeds the speed of light after a certain point, known as the event horizon.
When we say "this black hole is x big" we mean that it's gravity begins pulling faster than light after you get x far away from the infinitely dense heart of the black hole.
Can a case be made that Ton 618 maybe larger since it is twice the distance from earth than Phoenix A star?
Damn that’s a good point …
Yep it can be considering that ton 618 is actually 18 billion light years away and since the universe is expanding we are seeing it or observing it how it was 10 billion years ago
This black hole is truly massive but what you have got to bear in mind is on the cosmic scale we are really really small
Definitely. In the large scale, even our universe, if there are others out there, is tiny. Imagine that.
Are there any galaxies throughout history that have simply vanished, because their own supermassive black holes at the centre ate all their stars at a faster rate than they created new ones? 🤯
Good question
unknown, if they fanished, we don't know it existed in early time
If you can think it,,, it's probably happened somewhere at some point. It's crazy out there
Assuming an infinite universe, yes
Probably never happens anymore but the light of those galaxies might come to an end soon
Too good I think you need to hit 100k subscribers good vids!
0:37 uh not supermassive black hole this is ultramassive black hole
1:00 It’s equivalent to 3.950 astronomical units, which is 0.062 light years, meanwhile TON 618 is only 0.044 light years. (2782.55 AU)
Thank you!
@@Cosmoknowledge No problem mate!
So which one is the biggest? Ton or Phoenix?
@@funnykitten2927 Ok, the biggest one is Phoenix A* with 0.062 light years in diameter.
The universe is so insane! 😍😍
It's natural art combined with craziness.
@@Cosmoknowledge ikr, beautiful
Also, amazing video
You gained a sub :)
Imagine If Ton 618 And Phoenix A Collide, And The Energy It Would Produce
It doesn't even seem interesting because my mind just can't grasp it.
That might legit destroy a galaxy
it will create phoenix Ton A with the mass of 200 billions suns
I can't even keep up anymore. I thought it was TON 618, is this up to date or is there another stupendously large celestial object found within few months.
this guy is such a chad, responded to almost every comment
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That's a lot of info about something so far way. The thing that interest me is what we don't know about it.
We know a lot for a species like us.
That galaxy must be so extremely violent from all the star creation. I can’t even imagine the amount of cosmic energy released daily there. But why am I talking about days? Time has no bounds with distances that far in space. This really is the endgame.
Imagine the gravitation waves if Phoenix A and TON-618 somehow colided...
For those wanting to actually see space. Those few shots are from a game called space engine
Note that TON 618 is farther away than Pheonix A* so a possibility could occur that TON 618 WAS larger than Pheonix A*
Right now phoinix A* is still bigger even if it's farther
Guys just imagine this - The speed of light is insanely fast, but it takes years to get to these black holes. We’re good for years and years to come.
The largest ever black hole is Tonantzintla 618, stop taking everything on wikipedia. Also if ur gonna say the overestimate of the mass, you should also count Tonantzintla 618's overestimation, which is 1-2 Trillion Solar Masses.
But isn't that its past size?
Okay Phoneix A* is 590.5bkm and TON618 is 390bkm so there is a 200bkm difference.
But considering that Phoneix A* is 8.57 billion ly from Earth, and TON618 is 18.2 billion ly;
there is a "9.63 billion light years growth time" difference not being taken in consideration.
So the size difference between Phoneix A* and TON618 is smaller than we know.
If we saw what both ton 618 and phoenix A look like today, rather than how they both looked billions of years ago, which would likely be bigger?
That’s actually a really goog question. Ton 618 is twice as far away 🧐
Well...
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Phoenix A* is 100 hundred billion times bigger than the sun but it's bigger and because it's 5.8 billion light years away from us it's about time.
Sir, already there are old news (since 2019) about Phoenix. Why are the social media talking about it now? Are there new things?
I personally just found out.
It hurts my brain trying my hardest to imagine how big Pheonix A is..
TON 618 has a diameter of 11 solar systems. What about Phoenix A?
Maybe Phoenix A ate some of his galaxies in his galaxy claster(some kind of "galaxy claster" mentioned, idk what it is)
galaxy clusters, a bunch of galaxies in a area
How many million light years away from earth is this one? Meaning, by the time we see what is happened today on this black hole, the date if we still keep them in the future, will probably have seven digits to it
So phoenix A was like discovered today?
No but he made a video about it today. It was discovered about 1 month ago i think.
Not really.
People keep saying “no it’s this one, no it’s that one”
Ok here’s how this one is the biggest
1 Solar mass=the mass of the sun
Ton 618: 66 billion Solar Masses
BH3: 33 billion Solar Masses
S5 0014+81: 40 billion Solar Masses
Phoenix-A: 100 Billion Solar masses
This thing nearly shared my name I love it already
Amazing. 😍❤️
In real time TON-618 is more massive as it is 2x further away. We see what Phoenix A looked like 5B years ago but we see what TON looked like 10B years ago. So TON is probably more massive by now
A black hole bigger than TON-618? Mind is officially blown.
An incredible cosmic monster
This is likely incorrect. TON 618 is still likely the largest blackhole. I hate to derail the hype train around Phoenix A*, but the speculated size of Phoenix A* star commonly mentioned on the internet is likely over exagerated for a few reasons.
The commonly cited 100 billion solar mass estimate comes from a paper written collaboratively by the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy and the University of Queenslands School of Mathematics and Physics, entitled "Unveiling Gargantua: A new search strategy for the most massive central cluster black holes". This extreme estimate was determined not by any direct measurements of Phoenix A* itself, but by a (at the time) new and relatively untested method for searching for these types of black holes (as the title of the paper states).
Not only this, but this same study also gave a similar mass estimate to another black hole: IC1101*. IC1101* has been extensively studied by many groups. Multitudes of estimates have been made about its mass over the years, most being around 40 billion solar masses give or take.
Futhermore, follow up studies have significantly backtracked the proposed 100 billion solar mass estimate in years following the study, citing the Phoenix A* black holes inability to stop star formation as an indicator of a mass of around 40 billion solar masses.
All that being said, there is some doubt regarding the massive 100 billion solar mass estimate commonly stated about this black hole. Most of the information I'm referencing comes from a fantastically made video by SEA, which I will link. I highly recommend watching that video, as well as his other content if you are a space enthusiast. Hope this cleared up some confusion!
SEA's Video: ua-cam.com/video/gIvGSW1Mlm8/v-deo.htmlsi=M0sogduuRvDwuTQG
Unveiling Gargantua: arxiv.org/abs/1509.04782
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That's amazing to hear. Thank you! ❤️
For comparison: we only appear a few times bigger to the black hole then a hydrogen atoms appears to us .
Bigger then ton 618 thats insane space is scary af
Ton 618 was one of the largest black holes that scientist created a new category. Ton 618 is an ultra massive black hole meaning that if phoenix a is bigger than ton 618 it to would be a ultra massive right?
where in space engine do you find phoenix A?
I have a slight problem with the perspective view of blackholes as of now. They have imaged stars being slingshotted around a central blackhole. How is this possible? Shouldn't anything anywhere near the event horizon be significantly slowed??? If that is true then, why do these slingshot stars not freeze for at minimum, our lifetime?
Note that the black hole shown in SpaceEngine is actually just TON 618 as Phoenix A is not in SpaceEngine as of now
1:20 just wanted some appreciation for this time lapse
Wow, the new patch added a new black hole?
F in the chat for TON 618
How the fuck is that possible?!
The scary part that is still growing💀💀
Crazy to think about it.
Idk about that but ur right it’s my fav black hole I drew it at school dude
You dont know how many matter is in a singularity. For singularity it gives no constant mathematic equation. It can be small like a atom or big like a sun , but the first one have more matter or gravity then the second one. But you need a star , that is big enough to be a black hole after supernova. How you know what matter is in the star and how big is the density of the star core or even how high is the gravity in the star core ?
How much bigger is this compared to Ton 618 ?
Ton 618 contains a supermassive black hole weighing 66 billion solar masses. So it's almost twice the mass of Ton 618. I believe there are even larger supermassive black holes out there, some larger than a trillion solar masses.
@@BigNewGames At this point it might be possible since we are seeing how this black hole was almost 6 billion years ago
@@BigNewGames they are just primal black holes that was form since the early state of the universe
If its 5.8 billion light years away and eats 60 times the mass of the sun per year, That means it has currently 348 billion times that much more mass of the sun than we can currently see.
what is the mod?
wait since its a galaxy cluster and if this video of pheonix a is legit and realistic i see white on one side and black on the other side, since it's a galaxy cluster could it be possible that theres a white whole mixed with a black hole??? I know white holes don't exist but since its a cluster of galaxies it could be possible.
Not really. The white in the middle is the accretion disk glowing in x-ray light.
100 solar systems in diameter. Unfathomable
Will someone make a size comparison?
We did it. Here you go: ua-cam.com/video/j2ZBE54Z820/v-deo.htmlsi=BR94hHHvXKJ5AC6B
Seems like his event horizon is a hundred time earth-Pluto. If it's rotating it could easily grab earth from proxima centauri.
It's crazy how big it is. It's truly a location, not an object.
It isnt confirmed yet so we can only speculate ton 618 is located more than 10 billion light years away while phoenix a is located around 5 billion light years meaing we are seeing ton 618,5 billion years older as compared to phoenix a.which we can conclude that ton 618 has experience and alot of time to grow black holes can accumulate up to billions of solar masses in that amount of time plus the universe back around almost 11 billion years ago was still relatively small and compact and dense which made sufficient resources and materials to be eaiser to be accumulated which mean ton 618 might have grown at a rate higher than phoenix a
Pheonix a is estimated at around 100 billion solar masses around 5 billion years ago and ton 618 at 66 billion around 10 billion years ago the size difference is big but not to far off around that time we can put phoenix size around 50-60 billion solar masses.
They could be similar in size or phoenix a or ton 618 can be bigger than each other but right now my moneys on ton 618
rip TON 618, he did his best for a while
the first 20 seconds of footage is from the game Space Engine.
I know that much people know about that, just in case somebody needs.
But you’re not explaining how scientists calculate the mass and also comparing the black hole to Ton618
Those are some very large numbers yowza
Craziness.
Black holes are such a mystery and the most terrifying discovery made by mankind. In fact, so terrifying and amazing that I wouldn’t mind dying by a black hole. That’s how much respect I have for em. 🫡
TON 618: wait thats illegal.
Goddam that means there is at least 2 stars born every earth day in the Phoenix A galaxy cluster. Nice
This reminds me of when VY canis majores was no longer the largest star
Good times. 😄
@@Cosmoknowledge UY Scuti was dethroned by Stephenson 2-18
It’s not supermassive…
It’s stupendously massive
Then Phoenix A* replied “I alone am the biggest one”
They need to give it a cooler name. Nothing sounds cooler than ton618
😂
Actually he used the game Space Engine to film all these beautiful things!
Is it located our galaxy?
No, it's located in the Phoenix cluster of galaxies.
@@Cosmoknowledge oh ok I thought it was on our galaxy because our galaxy is 100 billion light years and the black hole is only like 6 billion light years away
@@FootballXRealMadrid No, the MIlky Way is just 100,000 light-years across.
@@FootballXRealMadridAre you consuming drugs or what ? Milky Way galaxy is 100000 light years large and the ultra massive black hole Phoenix A* is nearly 6 Billion light years far from milky way galaxy, that means the image of this black hole which we received is 6 Billion years old , so it might become twice as big as it was 6 billion years ago and it is more than 100 Billion times bigger than our Sun and also it might formed just after the big bang by collisions of numerous other supermassive black holes, which makes it one of the oldest black hole and do you know black holes like Phoenix A* and Ton618
Will live approximately till 1¹⁰⁰ years, which makes them almost immortal
Look, every calculation of all these extreme objects ignore what we know are the most influential forces and particles that make up dark matter, but they insist on ignoring it by assuming it doesn’t exist, while everyone knows that it does. It's like astrophysicists deciding to monkey the gears of Newtonian physics in the absence of a theory of Relativity. In hindsight, that just wouldn't work.
How long to take the Enterprise out there to probe its surface?
Oh too long to care about that.
This hurts 😢
Awww, poor TON 618.
Still lighter than CaseOh
Caseoh has 99.9999999999999% mass of the universe
(Sorry bad grammar)
Imagine how big it is at this moment cause this is how it was 5.8 billion years ago!!! 😅😅 0:56
This boggles my mind
that black hole can swallow 18 or 20 solar sys inside it as its diameter not the sun to Pluto
"This black hole is 10% the size of the milky way."
👁👄👁
mann.. makes me really think what’ll happen if one randomly appeared close enough to earth..
Crazy to think.
Black holes are the most powerful, or, in other words, strongest entities in the universe! Do you think that they could be an entrance to a paralell universe?
Well, I'm someone who says anything is possible, but at the moment my answer is that this simply isn't supported by our current understanding of the laws of physics and general relativity.
I tried to imagine how big it would be and yeah it can’t be fathomed. It’s just not possible for a human to see something that big is just idk it wouldn’t make sense
Our minds can't fathom this.
To think Ton618 could never be passed, now I’m thinking how long it will be until the next video on this subject comes out 😅 this is getting scary
its groing with the rate of 60 suns per year and its 5.8 billion light years away so today it has to be 448 billion solar masses in this present day imagine that