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In this installment of Penn Jillette's Atheist's Guide to the 2012 Election, the Penn and Teller illusionist (and outspoken atheist) sizes up Mitt Romney's religion.
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PENN JILLETTE:
Penn Jillette is a cultural phenomenon as a solo personality and as half of the world-famous Emmy Award-winning magic duo Penn & Teller. His solo exposure is enormous: from Howard Stern to Glenn Beck to the Op-Ed pages of The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and the Los Angeles Times. He has appeared on Dancing with the Stars, MTV Cribs, and Chelsea Lately and hosted the NBC game show Identity. As part of Penn & Teller, he has appeared more than twenty times on David Letterman, as well as on several other TV shows, from The Simpsons and Friends to Top Chef and The View. He co-hosts the controversial series Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, which has been nominated for sixteen Emmy Awards. He is currently co host of the Discovery Channel's Penn & Teller Tell a Lie and the author of God, No! and Presto!
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Penn Jillette: Mitt Romney is wearing crazy underwear. He’s wearing magic underwear. He is. I mean, under his pants, he is wearing magic underwear. Magic underwear. And he believes that a convicted con man got golden tablets that no one else could see, and sat with an angel to find out that the original Jews of the Bible were living in North America. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. But… just more modern, not more crazy, than other religions. Not more crazy than Islam, you know, with your… not more crazy than virgin births and resurrections. Not more crazy than any of that stuff. What’s really fascinating to me, fascinating, is that… and I cover this in my book when I say signs you may already be an atheist, it fascinates me that you can have the Bible Belt and you can have a court trial, and we’ve seen this. I’m going to use it hypothetically, but you’ll know the specifics I’m talking about, I just don’t want to talk about that kind of pain too directly, it’s too unpleasant for me. But hypothetically, in the Bible Belt, where you can have a born-again Christian Judge, born-again Christian Judge. I believe the Bible is the literal word of God, there were talking snakes, there were talking snakes and virgin births. Burning bushes and Abraham being willing to kill his son for God. He believes that.
The jury is made up of 12 people who, let’s say 10 of them believe that. And two of them believe that, but a little less. You’re Prosecuting Attorney believes that. The people that are sitting in the courtroom believe that. These are all people that know each other in church. And the person on the witness stand says that she killed her three children in cold blood because God told her to. And every single person in the courtroom decides whether she is guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity. Those are the two choices they weigh. And nobody, not the Defense Attorney, not the Judge, not the jury people, not the people in the gallery, not one person stands up and goes, maybe God told her to. It’s less weird than the talking snake. Maybe God told her to.
And in this country, which they say over and over again is founded on Christian values, and I’ll give them that; founded on Christian values. Okay, it is, fine. This country, founded on Christian values has guilty, not guilty, not guilty by reason of insanity, end of list. There is nothing that says, not guilty because God told me to. And why? Why isn’t that there? Why isn’t this country allowing in the court system someone to go on the witness stand and go, “Snake walked up to me, snaked opened his mouth, snake said, ‘go into McDonald’s, pull out an AK15, kill 10 people, walk back out,’ snake told me that. It’s that snake there, he’s not talking anymore. I throw myself on the mercy of the court. Aren’t you all good Christians? Don’t you believe in the miracles of the Bible? You’re seeing one now.”
And that’s the part that amazes me is that kind of stuff. So Mitt Romney comes along and at some level doesn’t he know what he believes is crazy? At some level, isn’t he going, “There weren’t Jews in North America.” You know, that’s not where the Garden of Eden was. Doesn’t that go through his mind? And that’s...
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Yes, we re-edited a much longer piece that's been published for quite a while. Penn was actually in the studio for this interview one year ago. Thanks for watching!
Where is the full video? I really liked this video.
That was good
When I was a mormon, I believed it. I was bug-nutty-bat-shit crazy, because I was brainwashed to be bug-nutty-bat-shit crazy about mormonism. In all other areas, I was quite sane.
I feel the same way also coming from Mormonism. I was taught to deny reality and accept what I *felt* which was complete bullshit. I WAS crazy.
Have you divorced yourself from all religious and supernatural notions?
@@nephi30 Yes. Absolutely.
same here. I just left 7 months ago. I read the CES letter and checked the sources. All true. I read a lot of Dan Vogel and Grant Palmer and I realized it was all a lie. Did your family take it ok? Mine is pretty broken up about it
@@billiondollardan I told my family I was an atheist about 20 years ago and they didn't take it well at all. Some of them kept trying to convert me back and all of them still believe despite me pointing-out the scientific evidence against Mormonism.
I would really love to see Penn talk with Ken Ham. Would be even better than that debate between him and Bill Nye!
fuck that, I would love seeing him talking to the pope :D
Bug-nutty bat-shit crazy.
My new favorite words.
guano loco.
I love bug-nutty, and use it all the time!
"Delusion::::::
A delusion is a mistaken belief that is held with strong conviction even in the presence of superior evidence to the contrary. "
Cognitive dissonance: hold my 🍻....🤯
I've yet to hear Penn say something that I disagree with...
Have you heard his insane approach to world peace?
Corpse Party
I don't think so. What do you claim it is? (Please provide a link where he details his view on "world peace.")
Corpse Party Never heard back from you. Googled it and found a description of a "Bullshit" episode. "Argues that the idea of utopian world peace is naïve and incompatible with human nature, but also argues against those who argue for deliberate aggression like preemptive war. Also argues that free trade and economic interdependence are the best means to achieve peace." Does not seem "insane" to me...?
drstrangelove09 The only thing insane is the idea that peace is possible or even good. But thats beside his point.
we need to stop having to agree with someone in order for something to be self evidently true.
Religion is the scariest thing on this planet.
...and politics!
Ak15 lol
BartJ583 knowing penn he said it on purpose
Nick Carbaugh Knowing Penn, he just fucked it up. I listen to his podcast almost every week -- even he'll tell you he's often just wrong :-)
BartJ583 You didn't read my comment very carefully. I agree with you that he wasn't referring to a *real* rifle.
Either he purposely fucked it up as a joke toward the anti-gun alarmist media, or he just fucked it up. It's Penn. Flip a coin.
+Nick Carbaugh An AK-15 is a real rifle, produced for a short period by a Russian manufacturer. It's also called a Saiga 107.
Levi Paulsen i figured he was mixing ar15 and ak-47
"There's a code going on that I need the Rosetta Stone..."
That's exactly how I feel! I'm old(ish) and for almost 50 years I looked for "faith". That ability to look beyond reason and just believe that there's a man~somewhere~who watches all I say, do and THINK FFS and judges me worthy or not worthy to be in his grace. It simply did not make sense. In any way shape or form. But I'd still say I believed. Even after my daughter died, I still looked for faith.
But finally ~ Hitchens. His writings and speeches and debates finally let me know I could not only declare I don't believe in any kind of gawd, but that I actually despise religion as the money making industry and cult it truly is~ALL of them.
I've never been more at peace. And that's a good thing! ☺
as simple as it sounds not many are capable of doing such a thing as changing their mind like you did and i have to say especially at your age that is so momentously impressive and should be met with great praise.
@@notyou6674
That's really kind. Thank you. But I've doubted since I was 8 years old. I was in the class at church getting ready for my first communion. I was Anglican or the church of England (CofE). The reverend was talking about the "approach" prayer that's said before you line up to receive the body and blood (
god damn I wish we had more celeb status people, who would talk so open and freely about this stuff. It's gonna be the only way to eventually start breaking this cycle of blind stupidity thru faith
I disagree with one thing he said - Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann,Rick Perry - These are not good people. They are terrible, terrible people.
As for mitt, you have no idea how much power e gets within the Mormon church. He will say he believes anything for that status,
They say it TO GET ELECTED.
plenty of them believe it
Take a shot everytime he says bug nutty bat shit crazy
I was born into the LDS faith and left in my late-teens.
I and every other Mormon I knew, believed that temple garments had the supernatural ability to protect you from harm.
Once when I was a member of the church, a missionary told me that he had gotten in a bike accident and was injured only on parts of his body that his garments didn't cover.
This country was not founded on Christian values... it was founded on secularism...
I think it's just the in-group recognition handshake. Also a strong signal that you're socially pliant, and you'll conform to the rules of your in-group despite any personal objections.
"The mind gives meaning to anything, but the meaning it gives is meaningless." J. Krishnamurti
⚠️TO THOSE WHO OBJECT TO TEMPLE GARMENTS BEING CALLED “MAGIC UNDERWEAR”:
The LDS religion did this to themselves. I was raised in the LDS church between the years of 1967 and 1985. I will attest to the fact (as will many others here) that I have sat through dozens upon dozens, and years upon years of fast and testimony meetings, and general conferences, and I can’t even remember the total count, of the multiple times that I have heard members and general authorities attest to the “fact” that temple garments provided protection for everything from fires, to bombs, to bullets... yes they were touted as bulletproof multiple times.
The LDS members and their leaders spawned, and regurgitated the urban legends of your temple garments being “magical” for decades. Quit trying to correct people for saying they are magical. Own up to the urban legends that YOU and YOUR CHURCH alone have allowed to propagate.
You have nobody to blame but yourselves. GROW UP!
Well, that's quite controversial. People in the United States desperately wanted freedom of religion, and the majority of the population of the U.S. was indeed Christian. Even the founding fathers believed in God, we don't know the exact religion, but all of the "freedom and liberty" was inclusive in the peoples beliefs.
Penn:
You asked. Here's the Rosetta Stone:
What politicians really mean is:
"Hello people whom identify with these things. I am on your team. I am one of you. You are safe with me. I am not a fancy elite. I am one of you. I will keep you safe. I won't do anything scary. I will protect you and our cherished things, and keep the core ideologies safe and unchanged. You can feel safe and reassured by entrusting your vote to me. You will get a hit of dopamine and serotonin by thinking about me, and when thinking about voting for me, so that you will know in advance that when you leave the voting booth, you will feel that you made the right decision (emotionally)."
It's a lot of emotional manipulation packed into a small phrase.
I suspect Penn already knew this. I suspect he presented the question to get people thinking and to extend the conversation.
Likewise.
P. B Amygdala so you have to be an atheist and lie to be successful? Maybe they are successful because of their faith maybe try having some yourself
This is perhaps the most important and crucial point for anyone outside of any belief system: "I understand your words, but the sense in which you use them escapes me!" For example: Any Christian does not believe "everything" that is in the Bible, because we clearly see them act otherwise - yet they believe the Bible is the true word of their god.
And that's good, that makes them "not crazy" - partially at least.
So, what i want to know: What do people actually believe?
If there is a creator, who then created the creator?
And who created the creator that created that creator...?
And who created the ---- arh, f.., it, you know where I'm going - there is no evidence of the need of an creator and given what we know today it's the least plausible explanation...!
Oh please! Kevin Rudd, believes only, in Kevin Rudd.
Kevin Rudd
Well, there is the option that neither is true. Eternity is a human concept, which might even not be real. Also, nowhere do we find a physical need for a creator, just a personal or spiritual one, which constitutes wishful thinking rather than an actual scientific imperative. More importantly, there is also no evidence anywhere that a creator is involved in anything.
Me too. I was a die hard Christian. I studied the bible, history, science, archaeology, cosmos, physics and now I am a Pantheist.
"Bug nutty bat-shit crazy shit"
I'll have to remember to use that some time.... :)
I was born Catholic, became "born again" in highschool, believed in the "end times," read the "Left Behind" books, and all other assorted nonsense.
I was knee-deep in all of it.
In college, I realized...if I TRULY thought The Creator of All Reality wrote...a book, wouldn't I have read ALL of it?
Not some of it...ALL of it.
So...I did.
It took me 2 years to read the ENTIRE Bible. When I finished, I was an atheist.
I have followed Penn for over a decade, and this speech was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen ever. Penn fools people the same as religion, but he tells everyone that it's a trick. Penn Jillette, James Randi, and Derren Brown all have some things in common. They are all handsome, they have brilliant minds, and they all just happen to be the worlds top magicians. Houdini was one of the first that called out sharlatans...and he was history's greatest magician.
With the exception of ak-15 (obvious unintentional amalgamation of ak-47 and ar-15), this is pretty spot on.
exactly, that was immediately noticeable to me too. #lgbtq4the2a
#1 "spiritual and holy" are just fancy words for "magical".
#2 If you're accused of fraud, you usually aren't up to many good to begin with.
#3 You're absolutly right! Because angels don't exist, and the "Golden Tablets" also didn't exist.
I was born similarly. I am TECHNICALLY Episcopalian. I too read the entire Bible-- as well as the Koran, several books on Greco-Roman mythology, norse myths and finally several books on Atheism. Now I'm no longer a true Christian (though I do believe some of it-- just because King James was a despot and a crackpot doesn't mean that there isn't some truth) -- now I am more a pantheist.
I suppose that it all depends on where you stood on the subject to begin with, I suppose.
Woh, that turkey impression freaked me out hahaha. LOVE this guy. He is one of my Atheist heroes.. but he makes some crazy ass sounds lol
Sir,we need more people like you,not only in the States but in the world !
I personally met Penn after one of his shows in Vegas and had my picture taken with him. Never have I smiled as big.
Actually that was added to U.S currency in 1864, the National anthem which includes those words was written in 1814 but not adopted until 1931.
When they say "I believe the word of the bible, literally" what they actually mean is,
'I cherry pick what fits my personal moral compass and that's what I believe is literal. All the rest, that doesn't fit my stance, is just a metaphor' "Parable", sorry
Yates, amirite?
AK-15 hurt me though, it's either AK-47 or AR-15 lmao :D
Luckily he is pro gun
Maybe its because thinking, rational people, who dont live their lives afraid ... don't give a shit about guns and model numbers? AK15, AR47, BS69 ... there are much more important things to care about.
@@davidmaheengun2672 just fuck off. You have no clue what it's like to live here without them.
@@cerberaodollam Thank you for you kind and well reasoned response. You seem like just the sort of guy who loves guns, and conspiracy theories, and god. Now please be quiet ... the adults are talking.
The LDS movement is interesting specifically because it happened in the modern era, with oodles of well-preserved documentation from multiple different sources outside of the church's own. How much more would we know about Muhammed or Jesus of either lived only a century or two ago? How much different would our perceptions be of those individuals?
If the Jews were in America then how come no Native Americans performed Kosher slaughter, performed circumcision, or spoke any language related to Hebrew?
Love his pennpoints
It really is weird trying to make sense out of all this when you don't see the world through religious spectacles.
If Penn thinks Obama is good, honest, and smart then he's crazier then and Christian I've ever met.
I think Penn is just referring to the cognitive dissonance that a lot of theists and believers exhibit.
All kid love santa
everyone love fairy tail,kids believe everything that were told by the adult
but then they grow up and start to learn more about reality and noticing the contradiction but sadly some people just never learn and grew up
Couldn't have said it better..
As I was told the other day: " It may not be rational, but people want something to hold onto. " I replied: "Okay, but you must not claim to be a rational human being anymore."
You say you don't get it either, admitting that means you have hope at least, Penn has a closed mind, seemingly impenetrable. Not that we should give up on him, no, that wouldn't be nice at all. He seems to be a nice well balanced individual with a gift of the gab who unfortunately is stuck in some sort of nether world that forbids any thought other than his own. He is not alone, there are plenty of people like him and not so many like me and its been this way since life began, herd instinct,
Penn is the most rational person I've ever heard discuss issues such as this.
Thank you, Penn, for expanding my linguistic lexicon. I can't wait to use, "Bug nutty, bat shit crazy," in conversation. LOL!!! He does make a brilliant point though. How can millions of people believe in the Bible's miracles and tragedies while instantly discounting any such claims in modern times, and how can we accept as sane those who claim to believe in that which we know to violate the laws of science?
Sorry to disagree, Penn, but THERE IS NO CODE. There are only people, many of whom are otherwise rational,
who can't be honest with themselves or with anyone else about reality.
Being honest would mean admitting that everyone they know and love has either been wrong or lying their entire life.
Being honest would mean admitting that they're going to die, and that will be THE END for them -
no Heaven, no Hell, NOTHING. And that's difficult, when admitting it means the loss of your community.
... because they don't think about it. If they don't understand, they set it aside, trusting it'll make sense when they're taken to heaven and God answers all their questions.
did he really just say AK-15?
Saiga 107 = AK-15, lol. Not sure if Penn had future-sight, or mixed up AR-15 and AK-47, since the Saiga 107 wasn't in production when this was recorded.
YEAH AK 15 AND I LOVED IT
Is it a bad thing that he don't give 2 shits about guns?
This is one of the best things I've ever seen!
Um...yes, as a Mormon, we do believe its magic. They are a protector for us. They keep us from harm. The temple ceremony states that clearly. Stories upon stories are around of people who wore their garments were saved in the areas their garments covered.
Penn needs to do a documentary where he examines religion and politics. Would be awesome
Damn.. this was powerful and insightful. Although I do have to disagree that Palin and Bachmann are not crazy. Have you heard the two talk? It almost seems as though they are Pentecostals speaking in tongues.
I got stuck on AK-15....
It is a real thing. I looked it up, because I got stuck on it as well haha
Lol probably thought AR 15
Just to humor you, your saying that just because some random guy said get on my ark, about 2 of every 8.7 million different species climbed onto his ark. Can you just explain to me how the pandas, and lions, and cows, and bears could live in harmony? No really i'm genuinely asking here.
#1 spiritual and holy. A.K.A. Magical to us intelligent people.
#2 He WAS convicted of being a thief and con artist. Specifically of those charges. Its called public records. took me 5 min to look it up.
#3 OK, so he wasn't "sitting" when he made up the angel thing. He was laying in his bed. Good job being right once in your life. Way to make your momma proud.
theyre called temple garments, not magic underwear. they are more symbolic than anything
This guys a dick
me or penn? i agree with penn here, i just think he comes off like a dick in the way he says things.
tfl;dr: 'Cause it sounds funnier.
They are magic in the same way Catholics anoint themselves with holy water. The priest says an incantation (OK, OK, a blessing) and waves his hands and wetting your forehead with a dab of it reminds God to take care of you ... or something.
For the same reason people use the term "sky daddy" to describe the Abrahamic God. It highlights the absurdity of the claim by removing the more palatable name, the names with connotations which we find familiar and acceptable. It's also a joke. Approaching theistic topics from a purely logical angle is boring, and as a result does little to speak to those who resists new knowledge or have a difficulty in learning. Humour breaks down that barrier and making a caricature works as a rather effective method of pointing out flaws.
Undoubtedly there are people who resists such humour because they feel it devalues their beliefs, but there are others whom have reconsidered a position because they see how easily it can be made a mockery of.
Exactly, Penn. It's all a bag of craziness and we're stuck right in the middle of it.
At some point, in my recent past, I gave up on trying. The "save one starfish" philosophy wasn't working for me as I try to explain to people, in polite conversation, that the Federal Reserve bank is owned by a few guys, never audited, and they own everything in the USA. All the money and all the slaves which is the ordinary people. I say that the 9/11 incident was too blatant to accept, and I say other reasonable things. What I find is, people enjoy and embrace ignorance and their slavery.
I never struggled with my faith until I started actually reading the Bible. My mother is a devout Christian who has never fully read the Bible, only the nice fluffy scriptures they preach in church. But I always think of the man being stoned for taking his ox to water on Sabbath (or something like that, been a while since I've read it) and am like, "Do you really know what you're saying you believe in?" I work on Sundays, should I be stoned too? The Bible is brutal.
Take a drink everytime he says magic underwear 😂😂
I would love to have dinner with Penn Jillette. Not to discuss any politics or religion, just to listen to his anecdotes and opinions--and maybe a little magic trick here and there :). Such an interesting man!
This is the reason why people are surprised when people they previously labeled "crazy" act unexpectedly smartly.
Correction: It was actually "sinterklaas" that started Christmas. The Catholics stole it. It was the Netherlands that invented it.
Oh, stop it. Tzitzit are not undergarments, they're a fringe traditionally worn on prayer shawls. There's a difference between something worn all the time and is considered sacred and something you wear for prayer and special occasions as part of a ritual.
"Hatred?" Really? Hatred where? And on magic underwear... I didn't see anything hateful, or really inaccurate, in anything Penn said.
Well, with Glenn Beck, you have to answer the same question: Can I approach this person and ask questions from them, as well as have them listen to my genuine concerns with their views?
I am a conservative, and I can say with asolute certainty that you can't do that with him or many other conservative personalities. Rational people make themselves approachable when they throw out a point of view, and that's what I aspire to do.
This is what pisses me off most of all. Not the weird ass beliefs, not the ignorance or prejudice against people who don't believe as them, but the CONTRADICTION. The contradiction the Pinn talks about right hear.
I have too much family and too many neighbors in the Church to not believe they think the underwear is magical. I have heard too many personal testimonies how it saved them from injury in car crashes and such. The official Church position may not state the underwear has mystical properties, but it is folly to say that there is no fraction, small or otherwise, that doesn't believe the underwear to be magic (in crude terms). Jesus was not a zombie, but a lich as the recent memes have taught us.
penn you are right. im in europe living now. i think outside the box now, and realized the u.s. courts with 12 jury members , does not work equally for all. 12 people with no law training?! and then they dont have to disclose thier reason for thier verdict! european courts work far better. the u.s. need to look at this system of justice. lots to be learned.
You see practical thinking is very simple. If it's too complex someone is trying to pull lie on you like most religions.
6:33 Awww Penn there you go saying that word again, I miss Penn and Teller: Bullshit!. I kinda wish teller would be speaking on this show, because i have heard him speak on tv and he has a very charming and sophisticated voice and i want to know what he has to say.
UA-cam"s ad algorithm is Bug-nutty bat-shit crazy, it showed me an ad for a Christion radio show in front of this Atheist video
It's the tower of Babel. It had nothing to do with heaven physically existing above our heads. It had to do with people thinking that they didn't need God and to prove it they would build a really big tower. If you don't even know what it says you'll have to excuse me for not taking your expert advice on it.
Wow. Just wow. I mean really....how was I so dumb for so long?
This guys’ understanding of the Bible is so limited.
That's a pretty solid answer. In the NT, Jesus is the mechanism by which miracles occur, a man of flesh and blood rather than a disembodied voice or an angel. But having a historical context doesn't necessarily explain why turning people into pillars of salt, or Noah's physics-defying Ark seems a stretch, but Jesus healing people by touch, or rising from death does not. If NT miracles are historically true, then why aren't the OT miracles?
Pretty sure most Christians (or...people who call themselves Christians) haven't even read half of the Bible. My religion teacher in high school (we're Lutherans, if that matters) told me that her view on the contents of the Bible is that it describes the relationship between man and God more than is a literal account of things that really took place exactly as written.
It's vague, but I think it works better than believing that all of that stuff happened literally. Then again, I'm an agnostic.
south park mormonism episode hits the nail on the head "dumb dumb dumb dumb duuuumb"
There are two guys that I listen to often as I can, Penn Jillette and Jesse Ventura. Why? Because neither try to bullshit me. It is possible that Jesse Ventura is a bit off tilt but I was in the army and worked with explosives and I totally agree that a building can not, will not, shall not drop at free fall speeds. I blew up way to many things while in the army to swallow 9/11. Every priest, Mormon and bible thumper in my life has tried to bullshit me. These guys just say it as THEY see it.
wiki temple garment: the garment also provided physical protection, while others seemed less certain of any physical aspect to protection."[10] In Mormon folklore, tales are told of Latter-day Saints who credit their temple garments with helping them survive car wrecks, fires, and natural disasters
He said Christian values, not christianity. There's a giant difference.
With a side serving of Bill Maher ripping a new one in Mormonism ;)
There are people who have to open their mouths just to say something and then there are others who have something to say. This was an 8 minutes well spent!
You hit the nail on the head when you said that there is a key that you have not been privy to. The Bible must be spiritually discerned. Trying to get someone who has not been born again to understand spiritual things is like trying to describe the color purple to someone who has been blind since birth.
The undergarments are viewed as a symbolic reminder of the covenants made in temple ceremonies and are seen as either a symbolic or literal source of protection from the evils of the world.
Carlos E. Asay adds that the garment "strengthens the wearer to resist temptation, fend off evil influences, and stand firmly for the right."
Many mormons feel that the garments add spiritual protection and opinions of added physical protection is mixed.
Another thing about science is that established rules are allowed to be challenged and changed as humans learn more about the world. It's okay to be wrong as long as you give regard to what's right. Science is about learning and growing,
Penn Jillette, not a gun guy. Check.
Joseph Smith was arrested for practicing treasure hunting. You can read this stuff documented by LDS historians (some of them are LDS themselves) Also garments were originally introduced as protective armor that helped people survive adverse conditions. Their meaning is now changed by the church. The current explanation is that garments remind you of your covenants. I am sorry you feel attacked maybe you are hypersensitive. If you can just read some of your religion's history
He really means that ppl don't actually believe in God
Perhaps the only logical reasons for a person saying they believe in bat shit crazy shit are-
1. The person IS bat shit crazy
2. The person is lying, or at least deluding themselves
If a Christian believes that the Bible is the word of God, why wouldn't they take it literally?
What? You mean Penn Jillette didn't use the exact right words when he was talking about some crazy religion? He was right spot on.
I'm a huge fan of Penn Jillette, but a lot of what he has said about "magic underwear" and related beliefs is not factually correct. It's fine that he wouldn't bother to get informed over something he finds crazy, but he should probably refrain from speaking as an authority on those matters.
"Not guilty by reason of insanity" doesn't mean you were so crazy that you're off the hook. You can be really motherfucking crazy and still be found guilty. What it actually means is that you didn't understand the consequences of your actions at the time of the crime. If voices told you to kill someone you are still guilty of murder. If you thought stabbing someone in the heart might not actually kill them because you think god told you that, THEN you can plead not guilt by reason of insanity.
Amazing how religious have no problem lying or BS ing
Do magic underwear still get skid marks? If they don't, I'd be willing to hear the mormons out.
It's their culture. Just like any other religious group, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Canadian, whatever, it is their culture. For those who don't really believe in the religion yet stay in it, it's because of family, friends, contacts, tradition, and whatever else there might be. It's hard to break out of the whole past of your life and move on without your loved ones. I say move on without them because most of them will disown you if you choose to do that. They say they wont, but they do........
Right, and I am saying that sometimes when appears intolerant or unapproachable, they are really just looking for you to defend your position. They come off that way to challenge and deter those who would argue without conviction in their ideas.
One of the best 8 minutes I ever had. It really made me thinking. Its really the right question to ask! Why do those people talk such crazy bullshit though they are not crazy? And what do they mean by "literaly" and why do they all stop believing that stuff when they are in court? Penn Jillette just blew my fucking mind!