The Pecs are the Most OVERRATED Muscle Group in History 💯
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2023
- The pecs are the most overrated muscle group in history.
Thanks to the fitness industry's obsession with bodybuilding and bench press numbers, we collectively have a chest fetish even though the reality of the situation is that the chest muscles do very little in terms of enhancing overall usefulness, functionality or athleticism.
In terms of athletics, the pecs are essentially worthless and glutes, quads, hamstrings, and lower legs are much, much more important than the size of your chest.
And in terms of REAL LIFE, the shoulders and the back are simply more important muscle groups in general. They do more things for you and they allow you to get more things done.
The pecs don't really do anything except make you the human version of a peacock. So stop obsessing over the size of your chest.
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Wow people are really triggered by this lol
I see you really struck a nerve. People are emotionally connected to the bench press and their pec obsession it seems.
I'm sure Alec can Bench more than all of them though
Judging from the fact that this is 5th video dogging bodybuilding unprovoked I think Eric is the emotional one.
@@tomashorst9544 unfortunately drama/controversy seems to work really well for fitness channels to draw attention. Like look how many videos on various channels have an almost accusatory/condescending nature with their titles “you’re doing this wrong!!”…. it’s just a game of convincing people they don’t know how to train and always magically having the solution for the sole purpose of making money on most channels.
Slender wrists typed this
Bro is making excuses for having no chest
Yup
post body
You have a playlist with shitcoin videos and bmws. You’re the loser in this situation lol
@@imitatsiyado the same
But he's right
I mean people are jumping on him and saying cope this cope that , do you honestly think those boob like pecs shown in the video are something to aspire to? I would be fukn embarrassed to have those, they look fukn stupid. Insane to think someone did that deliberately to themself.
And he’s totally right as far as pecs being way down the list of useful muscles. Pretty much everything else comes before them for generalised strength in day to day life, whether that’s digging out postholes, carrying heavy shit, or jumping fences and running to evade police. They’re just not very useful 99% of the time.
Oh yeah because you do that shit everyday huh😂😂 Seriously you can be in a wheelchair and get around fine in this day and age, let's not pretend this "functional" training is superior to other disciplines, literally any type of training (yes bodybuilding too) makes you inherently more "functional" than 99% of lifters.
Also great to see the hatred you carry for bodybuilding. Shows your true self. Real lifters would never mock other people's passions.
He’s posting the worst pics of someone with the a big chest 😂. When I think of chest I immediately think of BOM or NH having big aesthetic juicy pecs. Hold on going to hit some weighted ring push ups now.
@@roycegarvin ok that’s a fair comment bro I’ll give you that 👍
@@roycegarvin
But ask yourself, would BOM look any worse if his pecs were smaller and less rounded? Personally i think he would look better. His best feature is his back and huge arms.
you'd be embarassed to have large chest muscles? what are you, a pajama boy? dude take a step back and think about how ridiculous you sound right now to people reading your comment.
lol already douchebags in the comments. As a guy with my chest being one of my best looking features...you are NOT wrong here. For movement and picking heavy stuff up, it seems like literally everything else is used significantly more than the chest! idk if i would call it "overrated" but you are very right in that regard. Also you LOVE giving these spicy takes, huh? XD This isn't the first time!
You look like 300 pounds of doo doo though 🙂
Well said! Totally agree. Is building a strong back and legs generally more important for athleticism? Probably, but is building a strong chest overrated? Nope. Why pick and choose? Why not have it all?!
ah yes, the commentors disagreeing with his patronizing nonsense are douchebags, not the guy making half a dozen videos disparaging body builders unprovoked. Bro needs to get a lifr (and work on his chest) and stop larping as a pro athlete.
Ok peclet
Chest size (not strength) is overly romantized and it is a FACT. They dont even add as a formidable/powerful/masculine appearance as shoulders, traps or forearms for the upper body. It's not the matter of not wanting to grow your pecs, it's the matter of the juice not worthing the squeeze. No sport but bodybuilding need a big chest because it takes away from your other body parts because just like any body part, it requires time and energy which is finite.
Been a heavy labourer for years. Many times I've been thankful for my squat, deadlift, overhead press (or wanted bigger ones to help with a particularly difficult task). Not once in my entire life have I ever run into a problem where I lacked the strength in my chest or was even glad I trained bench. You push objects in real life with you legs. Chest is at best a stabilising and supporting muscle
Couple of days ago I helped a dude push his car on a road covered in ice and snow. The pecs were pretty useful. I mean I could not move with legs because of ice
@@lednevnikim confused how that worked bot saying it didnt happen but you probably had to brace with your legs which would make me think that you could have actually used them to push
@@ninja8flash742 I found a little spot without ice to pivot myself but could not move from there. Also pushing stuff in front of you is different to squatting up and down. It did not feel like a sled either
@@ninja8flash742 exactly I had to brace them while bending the knees and leaning forward
He speaks the truth
Idk sounds like cope, having bigger stronger pecs will never make you weaker, and shouldn’t inhibit the ability to express athleticism. It’s literally just pounds of muscle that are being avoided for no good reason. It’s not even difficult to build as a muscle.
You miss the point of the video he is just saying that obsession for chest trainings in comparison to other important muscle group doesn't make given that they aren't as useful as the others. he is not telling anybody to stop training their chest but instead stop obsessing with it heck even him have a pretty good chest so why would he cope?
Says the guy that's obsessed with benching (I'm coping because my bench is weak and my chest is my most underdeveloped body part)
@@Weebgamer236lmao his chest looks terrible objectively by bodybuilding standards, I like the guy but there's no point in calling out problems that don't exist. At this point it feels like he's just jealous of bodybuilders. The whole functional training thing is completely useless in this day and age anyway, especially if you do any form of regular exercise (yes including bodybuilding)
I could actually see really massive pecs inhibiting movement a bit and probably are counter productive to a lot of athletes since they border on being dead weight. That said I don’t think anyone who’s natural will get to that point of development.
no bro it's not "cope"
it's just different goals for different people
his channel is not a bodybuilding channel
Interesting take. Nothing but mad respect for what you do, man. But I do have some counterpoints. Obviously you are very strong and successful with your athletic endeavors, so what you're saying is not wrong in terms of what you are training to achieve. However, I don't think extra chest muscle would hurt anyone's performance. And I doubt anyone would mind extra pec muscle regardless of their goals. In fact, gaining pec size could improve one's weighted push-ups and dips, which are great exercises for athletes due to the benefit of practicing moving your body through space. This would also build general pressing strength, not to mention that it is just fun to train with bodyweight exercises.
It's the fact that sports demand more training on other body parts that isn't the chest. A person only has a finite of time and energy to train and spending it on chest which doesn't nearly contribute as much as another body part in their sport is simply wasted energy and time.
@@PacmanLickThisGuysAs Very true. As Alec mentioned, back and lower body are way more important for athleticism, and of all the muscles to take priority, chest would have to be lower on the list. I wouldn't go so far as to call chest training worthless, because it really just depends on the athlete and their sport. But overall, I agree.
I agree somewhat, but I also believe that the bench press builds more raw upper body strength than any other exercise. From an athletic standpoint, nothing helped me more with BJJ.
A standing strict ohp is better test of upper body strength. Someone benching 225 is nothing special, but I ain't messing with a guy that can strict press 225
@@PacmanLickThisGuysAs a standing OHP is a better test of TOTAL body strength, because far more of the body is involved such as the legs, glutes, etc. but the bench press is a better indicator of strict upper body strength because 1. Less of the rest of the body is used, and 2. You simply are hoisting more weight than the OHP; therefore, more strength is gained.
Im better sure weighted chinup is better for upper body for bbj could be wrong tho if you are just talking about push i believe weight dip or push up is better due to scapular movement and involvement of serratus anterior
@@mdwv872strict OHP is not a push press it isn’t a total body strength builder
Nah in BJJ you want to frame from your stronger points. You are much stronger pressing horizontally than overhead so that's going to give better BJJ frame success
Honestly my chest is actually lagging rn so it's my focus personally but you couldn't be more right. Even in terms of aesthetics shoulders and lats contribute much more to your v taper
The benchpress is important because it’s needed for full strength program, but I think you should get your press standing press up and train that because I believe it’s a harder moving pattern to trade uses legs more uses everything more as isolatorS
The bench press can certainly be a wonderful adjunct to create strength and size in the upper body pressing muscles. But *needed* is an overstatement.
i like to have a certain degree of development, but when i was all chest and no shoulders or back it looked pretty bad tbh
Lol I’m still hitting chest hard af
I never said not to. I do heavy push-ups multiple times per week. People just like being butthurt.
@@EnkiriElite and I never said that you said not to
@@EnkiriElite why don’t you wanna reply now?
Not only functionally but also aesthetically, massive pecs honestly don't look that good at all. Medium sized pecs providing that plate armoured look is honestly the way to go, coupled with broad shoulders and a wide, thick back.
The problem isn't the bench press or chest training, it's just the lack of balance. In many people's program it takes up too much training time and effort to the detriment of other lifts and muscle groups. Deficit push ups and dips are great compound lifts for chest growth that are often forgotten. I notice bench hurts my shoulders the most of any press.
I just obsess over the size of my biceps 😂
This is why no one can say that working the biceps is a useless endeavor. The biceps are *far* more useful in daily life than the chest.
Def in terms of general performance and athleticism bench press and chest muscle is overrated. For aesthetics I would say if you have a larger frame and smaller waist you can get away with a really underdeveloped chest look at many crossfitters and oly lifters they look amazing. if you have a smaller frame though i think chest is really important just in terms of aesthetics
He is right for athletics it is not useful. But if you want to train for bodybuilding or powerlifting train your chest. Different goals have different training. No reason to get triggered over a video.
I pretty much only train upper chest. Lower part of chest just looks aweful to me from an aesthetic point of view. Leave the tits for the women
Would hugging an awkward heavy object like a big stone not require some level of chest involvement?
People acting like you said not to train chest meanwhile you just said it's overrated which is true.
By this argument. Arms and side delts are also worthless. Imo its all good going for just hypertrophy in such areas. And looking at Upper body muscles for athleticism/ application to real life (particularly with athleticism) is kinda stupid, realistically none of them are important in that context. Based off that we should only train legs with low intensity for strength.
Also getting a huge Bench & a juicy chest pump is just fun man, and big chests look great aesthetically. Why the hell not just follow what is fun, feels great, and ultimately looks great to you?
You need upper body strength for stuff like wrestling. Back, shoulders, neck, grip. But not a big chest.
@@schorschmcgill I don't know man, strong pecs really help in boxing.
@@anonymousman4419over developed muscles are counterproductive in boxing
@@anonymousman4419 Ok, Jason Blaha
@@anonymousman4419You shouldn't be using your pecs to punch
yeah my chest sucks so I agree with you but am also coping
Pecs are only kinda useful to push things around and when you need to push yourself from the ground up
I hard agree its something ive been thinking i know some people will say cope which is kinda true for me in the sense that i still need more muscle mass but legit chest doesnt do much and can reduce your mobility if you get it too big
We get it bro you have small pecs and a poverty bench ok ok 😳
I think I saw him bench 315 before I might be wrong
@@bennywatts4174 A 315 bench is nowhere near impressive for somebody who has been lifting for over a decade
@@daydreamingphantom777And the small pecs?
Seems like he benched 3 wheels at about 165 back in the day. But yeah def his weak point in comparison to the other numbers.
@@tomashorst9544his pecs are good for his size but they look small because they are overpowered by his shoulders and Lats
Ngl this is facts, big shoulders back and arms look way better imo
Aesthetics are cool, just not a priority for me. I will always only do functional strength exercises until I'm satisfied with my level of athleticism and then I'd start adding aesthetics for fun, the first exercise I'd be adding is definitely the incline bench press.
I agree, never seen chest as a very essential functional muscle. But i hit 2 birds with 1 stone by choosing pressing angles that train both shoulders and pecs (dips+ incline bench). They help fill out a shirt pretty good.
u r correct. pecs dont need as much work as other muscle groups. its also highly dependent on genetics. if one doesn't have good insertion, chest may not look good even with years of training.
Pecs get you sekz
The way i see it
Deadlift: lift a body off the ground
Squat: carry a body on your back
Bench: lift a heavy object off your body when you're pinned under it
OHP: lift a heavy object or body up and above danger
Pullups and dips: pull yourself up to prevent falling from a height
So I'd say from an athleticism standpoint, maybe not. But from a real world strength perspective, they're as useful as the rest. And this coming from a guy that can squat his bodyweight and deadlifting 1.5 times bodyweight but can barely to 50 kg on bench.
i can think of a couple functions if you catch my drift
Facts, I obsessed over my chest for a long time and built a pretty good one and the returns I got for athleticism was absolute dog shit. So i ended using that time for extra squats, deads and pull ups.
Tell that to combat athletes, throwers, and gymnasts
I can only think of one combat athlete with good pecs, even then not overdeveloped. Paulo costa
How many boxers have big chests?? Andre Berto. That’s about it right now.
Compared to their delts, Lats and arms. The chest is less developed in these athletes
Yes, we will tell them.
You guys are looking at it from an aesthetic point of view, which is missing the point. Look at it from an athletic point of view. If you wrestle or train BJJ you know how much a strong chest can help with performance. Just because someone doesn’t have a big chest doesn’t mean they aren’t strong.
Yeah I don't put too much emphasis on my chest. I training my pecs because they do help with crushing strength, but I do just enough to move forward. It's not high on my list of priorities.
Most overrated are pecs and biceps.. funnily enough the muscles most bros obsess over
You are absolutely wrong about the biceps! Biceps are much more aesthetic than the chest, and secondly, as a calisthenics guy, I can say for sure biceps are very important and are engaged in most gymnastic exercises. You've probably seen short gymnasts with just massive biceps, believe me they don't do curls for that.
Says a flat chested guy
Pecs actually inhibit my running arm swing and punch mechanics,you want that shoulder joint movement as greasy and butter smooth as possible.
I agree! It's even possible for someone to be flexible through the shoulders, where they can hit good positions slowly, but not "mobile" to where they can hit those same good positions fast (or as you say, greasy and buttery!")
Lmao I wonder why you feel as such?
Tank Abbot disagrees
So the muscle you tell everyone to stop obsessing over is coincidentally one of your worst body parts?
Eric please just stop with this petty stuff, this is getting to Blaha levels except you know better (at least you should). If you don't like bodybuilding that's fine but don't go around telling people what they should and shouldn't like.
Where does he say what people should like? He just stating facts. If you like to be a peacock, that's fine.
Well… Sean Nalewany also says the chest isn’t as massive as people think. The deltoids have more mass but don’t get the same attention. The triceps have nearly the same mass as the chest. It’s just that the chest is visible. Shoulders and back are where most of your strength come from. Chest should just be a basic part of your routine.
@@jprice_ This isn't his first time, he has done this 4 or 5 times where he calls out bodybuilding. If he is about athleticism he should stay in his lane and not shit talk other disciplines. Note that he doesn't say the same thing about arms, only the chest which is "coincidentally" his weakest bodypart.
Also the whole peacock comment is just so petty and sad. And as expected it's some anonymous dyel like you who's too much of a little b*tch to show his physique online
@@JoeBudd-D Says who? Let people care about what they want to care about? The question is why is someone who has nothing to do with bodybuilding constantly talking shit about it? This is like his 5th time by now.
@@tomashorst9544 Well if he has his place in stength training, don't you think he has a say? His message is don't just look good, but be functional.
I think they're useful sports involving pushing.
Pec strains are not uncommon in football and other contact sports. I would love to hear a more well articulated argument about this, I think you are just looking for reactions again.
Most overrated muscle is the biceps
My pecs honestly look better when i focus on overhead work and pushups
In reality, push-ups are probably a better overall choice than benching for most people. Just need to have a good way to load them.
i believe both sides are triggered here honestly .
the Strength/Athletic side :
"Chest is useless , it's overrated , u're just gonna look like a peacock"
the Bodybuilders :
"Omg u're just copping because ur chest is small"
both is just stupid takes i am sorry , its all depend on your goal at the end .
if ur goal is aesthetics and bodybuilding the chest is important as the other muscles and u should train it (not at the detriment of everything else tho)
and if u're a Powerlifter a stronger pecs gonna lead to Stronger Bench .. duuh
if u're a Sprinter or Oly lifter then it's low priority
Functional it may not be important, but equating pectoral development to a peacock is accurate as it’s something that many women find appealing just like the ritual of the male peacock showing its feathers and performing to attract the female.
hahaha sure man, never said otherwise. not anything they really care about in my experience though!
I train the bench as an power building exercise not a chest builder, for overall building strength as an athlete. My max is 225kilos for 2/3 consecutive reps.
You Bench 225kg for reps??? Holy shit you must be a tank man!!
@@tf_lifting11 Yeah man, I did it with no spotter too, half reps I should of mentioned.
@@HOORAY4BOOTAY5 Any kind of bench with that weight is crazy man. As long as its not literally 1/2 inches of ROM lol
@@tf_lifting11 Absolutely, you gotta have a full range of motion, use a weight that you can control, it was my personal best after all. I have attempted it before so only got about 1 rep last week or so. I had a wide grip too.
@@tf_lifting11if you believe that I've got a bridge to sell you
The only reason you say that is because you train pecs for aesthetic and not actually functionality.do some explosive push ups or something.the chest is great for movement on the ground when you might have to get somebody off of you.
I do a variety of push-ups several times per week 👍
Unless you have a job that makes you push a lot of stuff, yeah you ain’t wrong
i like a good spicy take like this, but i think this is entirely false, and your emphasis on "athleticism" is cope.
i can say with complete certainty, that functionality and survivability are not why 90% of western men lift, (despite what you may think), and you're most likely in denial if you believe this to apply yourself.
the shape of your pecs are the #1 thing people (and women especially) look at when they rate your physique. if you want a "good" physique, you can't just settle for "somewhat good" pecs. they are the muscle group experts and even non-lifters critique and nitpick. they are quite literally only display of musculature on your frontside.
you don't subject yourself to all this pain to get strong, you do it because you expect better of yourself, and the higher standard you expect of yourself is revealed by the appearance of your physique.
edit: i looked at your channel to see your physique. everything you said checks out...
People like to train chest a lot because a big chest looks good lol.
100% subjective right there
@@EnkiriElite ik it is subjective but I do think a significant amount of people agree. I do agree the chest isn't nearly as useful in everyday life but I don't think a lot of gym bros care about that more than how good a solid chest looks.
for anyone who missed the point of the short, he's not saying to avoid training your pecs - he's saying to stop obsessing over them. they're generally not as vital to overall performance as other muscle groups (e.g, back, legs, even arms). obviously there are exceptions, but in general, too many people worry about their pecs for no reason
I've built decent pecs with calisthenics. So yeah, there is no reason why anyone should have huge pecs.
I don't really understand the intent of your comment.
@@EnkiriElite To prove your point.
Imagine telling an offensive linemen this.
lol having man boobs doesn't make an offensive lineman
Ya, cuz we work out to be athletic😂
Verynice pich..very big...❤❤❤i like
true but the women love it lol
Lol so many triggered people in the comments but he’s actually right
The chest doesn’t do shit compared to your legs back and shoulders
Ugh just let people bodybuild if they want to bodybuild.. I swear the whole anti-bodybuilding/aesthetics spiel is getting old to the point I'm considering unsubscribing. Just stay in your lane.
I mean, he isn't saying not to train them, and the channel is directed towards people who is into athletics
@@christopher.Q537 He is though? If he was focused on athleticism he would have made a "most important muscles for functional training" video or something. Not to mention the backhanded comment at the end.
This is like the 4th/5th time he has taken a jab at bodybuilding unprovoked. Coincidentally his physique pales in comparison to his strength or athleticism. At bare minimum this is petty behavior, but I think it's his jealousy shining through.
@@tomashorst9544 I mean, he kind of mentioned what the most functional body parts are (legs, shoulders, back), and with regards of the the last comment, I mean he is kind of right. The chest is more of an aesthetic muscles and it's function does not goes beyond that ( unless you're a powerlifter or gymnast).
And I really don't think he is jealous about not having a big chest or anything. If you've seen his channel for a while, you know he does not care at all about "aesthetics" or anything like that. He's goal has always been athletics.
I don't know men, my advice is not to take his comments too seriously. If you want to bodybuild and have a big chest , then do it. Don't mind what other people say in the internet. I know for sure that I'll continue to bench press and train my chest, regardless of what anyone says.
His lane is being anti-bodybuilding/aesthetics, what are you talking about? Are you lost?
@@christopher.Q537 Yeah he talks about it as an afterthought. The whole video is basically "this is not important". Meanwhile arms are arguably even more important but he doesn't make a video about that. Talking about function you can cut out everything Eric does on his channel then. Anything beyond a super basic training routine is more than enough.
This is like his 5th time dogging on aesthetic/bodybuilding goals. But yeah sure he doesn't care about it but he does care enough not to stay in his lane.🙄
Live and let live goes both ways. If Eric stops doing this I'll stop as well. This all just seems like petty jealousy to me.
haha no doubt Alex was trying to stir ppl up👍 well played
In football they used to say legs are for go and arms are for show.
Pecs seem very important to me, since I compete in powerlifting. That is enough of an argument to make this video stupid.
The point is, in the modern world you can make this fallacious argument for every muscle group/activity/skill 😅
There are powerlifters literally missing pecs.
I think he’s talking about generalised strength as in what you may require outside of specific things like a powerlifting meet. And indeed the pecs are right down the list of useful muscles.
@@StopTheDamnTape ye obviously, but still is a empty argument…
@@jprice_ there are sprinters literally missing legs
Alec used to be a powerlifter as well
No
yes
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For punch or throw chest is useful
it's all in the hips baby
Jabs are basically most triceps. Punchs and throws generate power from torque by hips and abdominals not chest
I like benching and I'm going continue to do it
It overloaded the upper bodys skeleton with weight U cant ohp. It will build stronger arm tendons and that shit helps! Ever heard of NFL
It's like a 40 second video, try to at least hear what was actually said
@@EnkiriElite I did. U just ignored what I said. The load on the skeleton created by the bench would be beneficial and bench training has been used to build specific athletics performance.