I noticed a few things. Kiyomasa in hiding, and Shabani’s obvious concern; the fact that the troop didn’t seem annoyed with Shabani (so they did not think it was the big guy’s fault), Annie’s concern for her father, rather than Kiyomasa. Something happened in the basement, and I think Kiyomasa’s injured hand is a part of it. Kiyomasa was foolish to challenge his dad, and despite Shabani’s immediate reaction, he showed restraint in not pursuing and beating up his son. I think Shabani did a good job of establishing order within his family. Thanks to Something About Gorillas for bringing us this patiently compiled and important narrative on the family dynamics.
I was about to write the same thing as you!!! It could have been that Shabani saw Ai or Annie bothering her in the basement, I guess Kiyo went too far with one of them, they are two females and Kiyo has wanted to mate for a long time. Shabani is losing patience with that topic... I think that's what bothers Shabani the most.
@2btpatch mic drop 🎤 because you nailed it! Something went on in that basement!!! And those two (AI & Nene) are co-signing the foolishness given Kiyo a false sense of power. Shabani will hurt Kiyo and Kiyo knows this, hence, why he runs and hide from Shabani. I’m glad Shabani held back but I’m sure at some point Shabani will get tired and unleash on Kiyo. Kiyo acts like a spoiled brat. Poor Annie, i’m sure she scared. I hate to say it but It’s time for Kiyo to go.
Once again we are going to have to speculate what happened prior, Kiyo knew the females would go after Shabani so he tried to provoke him. He needs a good kick up the ass.
Can the gorrillas hear all that commotion from the people. That would be distressing everyday for the gorillas, not to mention they dont look like they have a lot of space.
I think space is the big issue I don’t think they give a shit about the tile and grout and sounds lol they don’t scare easy… but in the wild, a big troop will control HUGE swaths of jungle for their territory but this is like, one small feeding/living/sleeping area all in one little confined space… I don’t think they care about the bars and how it looks, I think they couldn’t care less but it’s just they have no SPACE to DO anything y’know.. they’re expected to do ALL their living in an area about half the size of a small shopping center it looks like… 😕 that just ain’t enough they should be in an enclosure with everything they need and at least a square mile of space to roam and live…
It’s about time Shabani put Kiyomasa in his place. Shabani is very patient and kind but Kiyomasa has been acting like he is the silverback. This was bound to happen. Love and peace ❤❤❤❤❤❤
The tension is immense! I don't think Kiyo would be so brave if he didnt have the ladies to shield him. Shabani is so restrained and tense but wow when he unleashed! The speed and ferocity. Kiyo is lucky his Dad loves him too much to hurt him....yet. Hopefully they get back on good terms soon. ❤
I was thinking the same thing, where is the bedding they would normally use in the wild? No straw on the floor,? It sounds like Japan, ? Hey Japan, do something about the bedding these animals use to lay on.
There is suppose to be a basement where they go to bed. I have never seen the basement so I do not know what it looks like. But it is a depressing environment for the gorillas have to live in. No natural environment they are use to. Concrete prison
They look so happy and content, sitting bored and wandering aimlessly around their concrete playroom. Zoos are a relic of the past, we have the internet and social media now to entertain us. It's so victorian!
unfortunately this seems to be a ticking time bomb situation . at some point Shabani WILL put kiyo in his place and that will probably result in serious injury or worse. they really really NEED to move Kiyo.
I don’t understand why they have to build concrete & bars. At least have a more natural habitat for them. It just blows my mind that at least one, just one, of these apes can’t be released back into the wild somehow, if not the whole group at once. I think they can survive way more than we believe.
Their natural environment in the wild is shrinking, and they are being hunted by poachers (illegal hunting) and also not illegal hunting. Its actually a huge problem all over africa.
It's not a matter on whether they can survive on their own in the wild..There wild habitat is no longer safe for these animals. They would not thrive for long.
Totally agree. Nothing natural looking about the enclosure. Shrubs, hay or similar & trees would add at least some type of normality for them. 🌳🌴🌳🌴. 😢😢😢
At the end of the day, they're not humans and cant comprehend and understand like a human, so this environment is not bad for them, infact it keep them from being killed in the wild
Once again I have more questions than answers. Only when Kiyo had the girls on his side did he feel safe enough to taunt his dad. Nene as usual felt she had to admonish Shabani for touching her precious boy. Good girl Annie stay with the father that kept you safe from the attacks you endured as a young girl. It must have been going on for awhile because I've never seen so much 💩 inside..Were all left to speculate again. I love you Shabani, you Rock.😉😜
More than anything about a lesson in comeuppance, Kiyomasa learned how the alpha male deals with usurpers. Some day soon, he'll be the alpha male in his own troop and this episode will be seared into his memory. Every family has the teen vs. the parent blow up. It's part of severing the apron strings. Next to missing them when they're out of the nest, this is the most painful time in a family that's growing up.
😮 Good heavens...lots of tension here, right? Oh dear, Bani is irritated like 😠 at Kiyo again. They should have put Gentaro, Lope and Kiyomasa together as a bachelor group. Then later on pair them with wives.
Their arms look longer than their legs. I guess bc they walk on them too. I love watching then interact with each other. I have so many questions. Do they go to a vet? Do they get bathed?
It’s sad to watch but Shabani is doing what he supposed to do. Son it not, he loves his children but he will not be intimidated by his young son. He has to teach him the ways. Kiyo will learn to understand the hierarchy. Kiyo definitely needs to be put in a bachelor group sooner than later. He will be a wonderful father and silverback he learned from the best. This by no means is Shabani fault.
Annie tries not to pick sides but you can see she stays close to her dad in a supportive way. From what i have observed gorilla's seem to all side with the weaker party to try and balance things out but Kiyo is always annoying Ai and so Ai is always sitting close to Shabani to get some peace but she immediately always picks Kiyo's side whenever there is an altercation with Shabani which i find strange. Shabani really deserves a loving partner.
Same thing with momo and gentaro. These zoo's have left them there too long. Both of these young males should have been separated from their family group before now.
@@bigboytoyz541Talk is cheap. Finding a location und funding the construction of an adequate (!) habitat is not. Even if that were given, there's no assurance that a bachelor group would function well (see HJ/Hasani/Jabari (Los Angeles)).
Not to mention the feces everywhere. The smell hall to be horrendous. Why not let them be in an outside natural environment. This place looks exactly like a prison
Oh I know they hate it. I was in jail for a short time and this reminds me of being in jail and people would be outside in cages. It was the worst experience of my life.
That’s a very patient Silverback. He should have gone up that platform and clobbered the Blackback but he didn’t. When it’s their own they have to fight they seem to be more restrained which, to me, indicates that there is a bond between the two. Very interesting to watch them work out family issues. The females chasing behind the Silverback were like the referees .
This is the second time it's happened, that I've seen. The zoos have a Binder with a list and pictures of male gorillas that need a family, mostly blackbacks. Cause this will keep happening and get worse, alot of stress for the gorillas
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I don’t personally know myself, but someone viewing this video said that there is actually a much larger area for them to be in outside, and this area is used primarily for when it’s raining or when they tire of being outdoors.
Looks like there had already been some sort of altercation if Kiyomasa hurt himself. But at the heart of it all, it's the girls who are the bravest and who wade in and try to prevent anything happening even though it's clear they are very wary of Shabani. I guess Kiyo is starting to mature and so there's not going to be room for the two of them for much longer. In the wild Kiyo would start his own family and troop.
Bby it was the females sitting there keeping the peace.. eating their fruit., legs & arms crossed- just tryna stay out the way. The respect they have for the silver back- & still protected son when he agitated the alpha.. thoroughly enjoyed watching it.
Dads a bit grumpy today but it is to be expected,it's all in the teaching,but Shabani is very lenient with them,they are a good group,rarely have any blow ups,but I would expect more of it to come.
Kiyo is so spoilt, he will be sulking for weeks now. Its incredible how much wiser gentaro (Momotaro group) is than him Shabani barely touched him and he will sulk. It's his mother's fault for treating him like a baby. Momotaro literally attacks Gentaro and you don't see him sulking like that. A few year ago kiyomasa seemed more mature but Gentaro has grown up so much more lately
Гентаро - гений в среде горилл. Он изначально умнее их всех вместе взятых. Только Энни может с ним сравниться по умственным способностям. Наверное, полученное воспитание у людей сыграло свою роль. С ними много играли и развивали. Жаль, что их не хотят поженить. А Кийо очень избалован матерью, она его до 6 лет кормила грудью, что неслыханно и сдувала с него пылинки. Вот и результат ее воспитания. Шабани забыл, что он главный в стае и никто не имеет право голоса без его согласия. Его неправильное поведение привело к дисбалансу в отношениях в их семье.
@@Gretta1759 I agree, I saw some videos, when Kiyo was 4 or 5 he clung to his mom & even when she was chasing Shabani he would be on her front, that is the reason why the old woman's arms are bent when she walks.. Oh poor old Nene with her arthritis, but when it comes to protecting her son she is the first one to leg it.😅 I've never seen her protect Ai but Ai always has her back. This is another video that will divide people's opinion.
I don’t like to see Shabani and Kiyomasa fighting (but I know it’s all part of becoming a silverback) And I understand that Nene and Ai takes up for Kiyomasa BUT I’m very happy to see Annie standing up for her dad!! I know the zoo itself has limited space for all the animals,, even when they get the space for the bachelor group there has to be that one leader silverback the top dog number one big guy. I know and understand all that but until one becomes the leader there will be a lot of fighting 😢😢😢and that’s going to be horrible to watch.. IDK 🤷♀️ just thinking out loud again.
The problem is that the root of all this (altercation in the basement) was not caught on video. So one does ot know, if Shabani scolded/attacked Kiomasa without cause or acted in reaction to some kind of provocation. Obviously the reaction of troop membes differs: they will scare the silverback off, if his behaviour is willfully aggressive (frustrated Djeeco atacking Riki/Momoko), or stay quiet if it's a (measured) response to a provocation (Momotaro putting Gentaro in his place (2 times caught on video, Genki/Kintaro only slightly reacting the second time). Here Kiyomasa took a glance to the left ("You're with me?" (?)) before confronting Shabani and the troop acted accordingly.
Here you’re again! First Shabani would never attacked Kiyo without provocation as yourself criticized him for lack of action and kisses Momotoro because he always always reprimanded Gentaro, so you always come here in order to criticizing Shabani and know that he corrected Kiyo starting on the basement you post that maybe maybe Shabani attacked Kiyo out of the blue because Shabani is sooooo a bad leader. But Shabani can’t never win on your eyes or he is an inept leader or he’s a bully and attacks for no reason!
@@stevemorris6790It's OK that you don't like my comments, but (1) please stop making things up and (2) write in an intelligible manner. Wipe the foam at your mouth and consult a therapist. Seriously.
These females.witnessed Kiyomasa repeatedly hitting Shabani first. Towards the end, these females join Kiyomasa & gang up on Shabani. Kiyomasa feels empowered because the entire troop is on his side. Momotaro knocked his son Gentaro's teeth out. But Shabani's too kind to whip Kiyomasa's butt. Move Kiyomasa to the Momotaro troop, so he can learn about respect.
Love how the male starts it and the women protect him and finish it,the thing is though when Shabani really loses his temper,Kiyo is going to be very sorry.
Shabani deveria dar uma lição nos 3, Nene, Kiyomasa e Ai. Fiquei muito feliz que Annie ficou preocupada com o papai Shabani 😊. O maior problema do Shabani e sensibilidade eu entendo isso, mais queria que ele fosse mais rigoroso em assunto que um deles era pra acabar já faz tempo.
Sim , queria muito que ele desse um sacode nos 3 bem dados , mas Shabani e muito sensivel ele só levou um tapa na cabeça nem tomou iniciativa . Vi um video dele dando um em nenê por causa de annie quando era filhote e foi louco ele levantou ela na mordida 😮
So strange they have such a close relationship but he is of age but Kiyos issue is he’s been spoiled an he hides behind the females who have always come to his defense. What ever occurred his hiding in the basement is telling he’s still afraid of daddy an is still immature unlike Gentaro who sadly can’t escape his father
Kiyo is fortunate to have places to hide. Gentaro does not. He’s learned to take the punches and not sulk before and after. He’s also not as fortunate to have Shabani as a father. Grow up Kiyo! Whatever you did take the punishment like Gentaro does!
I think it better to have dad like momotaro who is strict and always on rules,Shabani good too but he is too soft and more play than rules,the real unfortunate is kiyo have Nene as mother who spoilt him rotten .
Genki always defends Gentaro. Big Momo wasn't allowed to discipline Gentaro if he did there was hell to pay from Genki. Gentaro does his fair share of testing the waters with his Dad too. You can tell by the goofy look on Gentaro's face and the way he makes his lips and that artched back..... That's usually his posture when he is attacking Genki, but it's the same when he is messing with his Dad.........
Momotaro lo hubiera puesto en su lugar hace mucho tiempo. La familia de Momotaro son los mejores escaladores que he visto, sus músculos se ven bien desarrollado. Es una pena que estén encerrados en un recinto tan deprimente. La hermosa Genki está sufriendo frente a todos
Shabani is a little permissive with his son and his son disrespects him possibly because he has the support of the females but if Gentaro did this with Momotaro the punishment is severe. Very nice video and informative too, thank you. I Love gorillas ❤❤❤❤
They already display sign language: their hands, their posture, glances and eye contact, their attitude: playfulness or lack of it. There are so many ways gorillas sign their intent.
What they need is a proper breeding program that actually plans the future for these animals ahead of time. Waiting until they are grown and then trying to figure out what to do is a piss poor way of doing things. The future of these beautiful animals should have been mapped out when they were still little. Now Japan has 5 gorillas that need to be moved away from their family group, and they don't have anywhere to put them.
Yes. Gorillas first. Instead of our own intent. Simple 20 vocabulary word or signs, would help stimulate them, and communicate better than they are, to each other. They can tell the keepers "where it hurts", whos fault it is, favorite fruit ice, mother, father, love, and "move away from the child". P.S.-my cat knows 4 signs, and 10 words.
Annie looks at her father with such affection , she knows who protected her all these times, therefore she’s loyal to him . Kiyo needs to learn his lessons and Nenê and Ai needs to not being defending him all the times!
I been praising the Shabani Troop in other groups for their calm and happy environment. Maybe Kiyomasa is about to enter the Gentaro and Lope stage of adolescence. The rise of Kiyomasa 🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍
@@christinamoore9618 unfortunately I don't think they have any plans for any of them. There are 5 gorillas in Japan that are adults now with nowhere to go.
wow!!!! what have i been missing, was unable to catch up for few days is Kiyomasa finally taking charge of the group. Poor Neene I love her so much she always ready to protect her son even though he is always wanting to bash her
I’m new here. I notice that gorillas seem to keep a little distance from each other and even family members don’t seem to touch Shabani. I suppose because he is the head of the troop?
you all did a spot on job of making that look like their natural habitat... I feel so bad for them things from dirt to concrete and a prop here and there
Its time to give Kiyomasa to another zoo. This is obviously a natural male rivalry thing as he has goten older. It's quite natural for some males to leave the troop...
Funny how Kiyo runs when he sees Shabs, but the moment he has his army behind him with General Nene, he’ll start with provoking Shabs. Then let the rest run him. I wonder if something happened to Nene, would Ai continue to guard Kiyo or would he FINALLY have to stand on his own??
They have feelings and emotions and there moments like anyone else right they make good parents and grandparents and uncles and aunties stay safe and warm looking out for his family and troops taking care of business we laugh and learn and benefit from the gorillas they are very smart and intelligent animals always learning something new each day from them stay safe and warm out there love you guys thanks !!! Joe
That silver back would beat or kill that younger gorilla . . But the silver back dad doesn't want to hurt or kill his son . . But he could if it came to doing .
Sad there kept in this environment for ticket sales . Looks like when I was in prison waiting for my release date. Unfortunately no date for the animals except death in a cage 😢😢
Videos show nasty Nene having sex with Kiyomasa since he was a toddler. Several months ago, Shabani attempted to discipline Kiyomasa for mating his sister Annie. Recently, Kiyomasa was attempting to screw his sister Ai, but he stopped when Shabani gave him a look that could kill. Obviously, Shabani & Nene don't like each other. Shabani sees Nene as a troublemaker & Nene sees Shabani as a weak Silverback. Nene & Ai are supposed to be Shabani's wives. But Shabani can't stand Nene & Ai is not interested in sex with Shabani. This zoo needs to remove Kiyomasa & his troop.(Nene & Ai) to avoid a fatality.
He’s been changeling him for a while now…….. he needs to be shown the ropes……also……I hate this environment for these majestic animals creatures……. They need to follow the example of The Bronx Zoo
Was Kiyomasa provoking Shabani? It's weird for him to do that when the situation is tense but maybe he doesn't know better. I don't think it's him showing off like Gentaro, he would be running and posing biting his lips.
Gentaro is a little bit ahead of where kyomasa is, as far as growth. Kyomasa is just now hitting the point where he will start to change drastically, like gentaro. When this happens, they get so overrun with testosterone that they literally go crazy. Kinda like gentaro is doing now. So the fighting and aggression will only get worse. He will probably start challenging his father more, just like gentaro. It is up to the zoo to separate them before it gets bad. But the zoo's have failed all of these young gorillas. In the wild they would have left on their own, but here they have no choice.
@@bigboytoyz541Os Zoos falharam não só com jovens, mas com Genki que está doente, Monta e Laura que vivem isolados, a família Momotaro vive em um cubículo que parece um terreno abandonado. Acho o Ktomassa mimado e abusado, ele se garante nas fêmeas, ele já acasalou com a mãe e as irmãs, a mãe e a AI são fêmeas do pai, mas o maior culpado são os que pegam os gorilas sem planejamento, porque é óbvio que eles vão ficar do tamanho dos pais, essas pessoas deveriam ser multadas, só assim tudo isso poderia mudar um pouco, só dói quando mexe no bolso.
@@claudiadossantosfernandes1094 I agree 100%. I don't think that Japan is equipped to handle a breeding program. All of these gorillas deserve a better home and deserve to be treated better.
I noticed a few things. Kiyomasa in hiding, and Shabani’s obvious concern; the fact that the troop didn’t seem annoyed with Shabani (so they did not think it was the big guy’s fault), Annie’s concern for her father, rather than Kiyomasa. Something happened in the basement, and I think Kiyomasa’s injured hand is a part of it. Kiyomasa was foolish to challenge his dad, and despite Shabani’s immediate reaction, he showed restraint in not pursuing and beating up his son. I think Shabani did a good job of establishing order within his family.
Thanks to Something About Gorillas for bringing us this patiently compiled and important narrative on the family dynamics.
I was about to write the same thing as you!!! It could have been that Shabani saw Ai or Annie bothering her in the basement, I guess Kiyo went too far with one of them, they are two females and Kiyo has wanted to mate for a long time. Shabani is losing patience with that topic... I think that's what bothers Shabani the most.
@2btpatch mic drop 🎤 because you nailed it! Something went on in that basement!!! And those two (AI & Nene) are co-signing the foolishness given Kiyo a false sense of power. Shabani will hurt Kiyo and Kiyo knows this, hence, why he runs and hide from Shabani. I’m glad Shabani held back but I’m sure at some point Shabani will get tired and unleash on Kiyo. Kiyo acts like a spoiled brat. Poor Annie, i’m sure she scared. I hate to say it but It’s time for Kiyo to go.
Once again we are going to have to speculate what happened prior, Kiyo knew the females would go after Shabani so he tried to provoke him. He needs a good kick up the ass.
yes!!!! I agree !!!!@@Kiowa371
@@sonjavandam1306Nobody *has* to speculate. Speculation will only propagate misleading narratives.
Can the gorrillas hear all that commotion from the people. That would be distressing everyday for the gorillas, not to mention they dont look like they have a lot of space.
It was distressing to me for 20:17 minutes
I think space is the big issue I don’t think they give a shit about the tile and grout and sounds lol they don’t scare easy… but in the wild, a big troop will control HUGE swaths of jungle for their territory but this is like, one small feeding/living/sleeping area all in one little confined space… I don’t think they care about the bars and how it looks, I think they couldn’t care less but it’s just they have no SPACE to DO anything y’know.. they’re expected to do ALL their living in an area about half the size of a small shopping center it looks like… 😕 that just ain’t enough they should be in an enclosure with everything they need and at least a square mile of space to roam and live…
@miman-ck9jv why watch it, I just came to the comments after 5 seconds. Crazy they have to live there!
awful exhibit. No stimulation for the gorillas. They lay on hard surfaces
Shabani just did the right thing as a silverback.
There's nothing natural in this habitat for the gorillas. It is very sad.
There really needs to be a bachelor group for all the adolescent male gorillas in the region. Maybe they are working on something?
It’s about time Shabani put Kiyomasa in his place. Shabani is very patient and kind but Kiyomasa has been acting like he is the silverback. This was bound to happen. Love and peace ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Every teen boy at some point thinks they are better than dad, till dad shows him why he is the head of the house!
The tension is immense! I don't think Kiyo would be so brave if he didnt have the ladies to shield him. Shabani is so restrained and tense but wow when he unleashed! The speed and ferocity. Kiyo is lucky his Dad loves him too much to hurt him....yet. Hopefully they get back on good terms soon. ❤
WOW what a beautiful and natural looking habitat. Did the zoo take design cues from prison design?
You’re right this is a terrible looking place, it would be a good thing to see the entire environment gorillas are supposed to deal with in this zoo
Kinda small. Must feel couped up in there
Be nice to free them in the wild at some point. Their natural habitat
Yeah absolutely terrible, it can clearly see the stressful in gorilas behavior
I was thinking the same thing, where is the bedding they would normally use in the wild? No straw on the floor,? It sounds like Japan, ? Hey Japan, do something about the bedding these animals use to lay on.
There is suppose to be a basement where they go to bed. I have never seen the basement so I do not know what it looks like. But it is a depressing environment for the gorillas have to live in. No natural environment they are use to. Concrete prison
They look so happy and content, sitting bored and wandering aimlessly around their concrete playroom. Zoos are a relic of the past, we have the internet and social media now to entertain us. It's so victorian!
unfortunately this seems to be a ticking time bomb situation . at some point Shabani WILL put kiyo in his place and that will probably result in serious injury or worse. they really really NEED to move Kiyo.
This is why you cannot keep more then one silverback silverbacks are very territory especially when they very young silverback
I think the experienced zoo staff know what they are doing….
I don’t understand why they have to build concrete & bars. At least have a more natural habitat for them. It just blows my mind that at least one, just one, of these apes can’t be released back into the wild somehow, if not the whole group at once. I think they can survive way more than we believe.
Their natural environment in the wild is shrinking, and they are being hunted by poachers (illegal hunting) and also not illegal hunting. Its actually a huge problem all over africa.
It's not a matter on whether they can survive on their own in the wild..There wild habitat is no longer safe for these animals. They would not thrive for long.
Totally agree. Nothing natural looking about the enclosure. Shrubs, hay or similar & trees would add at least some type of normality for them. 🌳🌴🌳🌴. 😢😢😢
At the end of the day, they're not humans and cant comprehend and understand like a human, so this environment is not bad for them, infact it keep them from being killed in the wild
I agree, its awful to see these animals in such a horrid place.
There's cause his son is at the age for breeding, in the wild the son would be leaving
Dude... Kiyomasa 12 years old gorilla...Shut up pls.
Once again I have more questions than answers.
Only when Kiyo had the girls on his side did he feel safe enough to taunt his dad.
Nene as usual felt she had to admonish Shabani for touching her precious boy.
Good girl Annie stay with the father that kept you safe from the attacks you endured as a young girl.
It must have been going on for awhile because I've never seen so much 💩 inside..Were all left to speculate again. I love you Shabani, you Rock.😉😜
Acho que o Shabani precisa ensinar a lição tanto para o filho quanto para as duas mulheres.
@@karolineharuno7733 absolutely.
More than anything about a lesson in comeuppance, Kiyomasa learned how the alpha male deals with usurpers. Some day soon, he'll be the alpha male in his own troop and this episode will be seared into his memory. Every family has the teen vs. the parent blow up. It's part of severing the apron strings. Next to missing them when they're out of the nest, this is the most painful time in a family that's growing up.
😮 Good heavens...lots of tension here, right? Oh dear, Bani is irritated like 😠 at Kiyo again. They should have put Gentaro, Lope and Kiyomasa together as a bachelor group. Then later on pair them with wives.
Their arms look longer than their legs. I guess bc they walk on them too. I love watching then interact with each other. I have so many questions. Do they go to a vet? Do they get bathed?
Tension is thick, like the calm before a prison riot
It’s sad to watch but Shabani is doing what he supposed to do. Son it not, he loves his children but he will not be intimidated by his young son. He has to teach him the ways. Kiyo will learn to understand the hierarchy. Kiyo definitely needs to be put in a bachelor group sooner than later. He will be a wonderful father and silverback he learned from the best. This by no means is Shabani fault.
Annie tries not to pick sides but you can see she stays close to her dad in a supportive way. From what i have observed gorilla's seem to all side with the weaker party to try and balance things out but Kiyo is always annoying Ai and so Ai is always sitting close to Shabani to get some peace but she immediately always picks Kiyo's side whenever there is an altercation with Shabani which i find strange. Shabani really deserves a loving partner.
Same thing with momo and gentaro. These zoo's have left them there too long. Both of these young males should have been separated from their family group before now.
@@bigboytoyz541Talk is cheap. Finding a location und funding the construction of an adequate (!) habitat is not. Even if that were given, there's no assurance that a bachelor group would function well (see HJ/Hasani/Jabari (Los Angeles)).
You can tell Shabani loves him, he heat checking on him. He doesn’t like having to discipline him, but he will if need be.
Why doesn't Japan start a young male gorilla group so there won't be this territorial profiling going on with fathers and sons ?
The flourescent lights, institutional paint scheme and wide open windows must do some pretty serious mental damage on such intelligent creatures 😞.
Not to mention the feces everywhere. The smell hall to be horrendous. Why not let them be in an outside natural environment. This place looks exactly like a prison
Oh I know they hate it. I was in jail for a short time and this reminds me of being in jail and people would be outside in cages. It was the worst experience of my life.
They can go outside whenever they want
@@Otto_von_Chesterfield how nice to be able to go outside into an enclosure. They need freedom they like to trek large distances and explore new areas
yes it just broke my heart. Is terrible
That’s a very patient Silverback. He should have gone up that platform and clobbered the Blackback but he didn’t. When it’s their own they have to fight they seem to be more restrained which, to me, indicates that there is a bond between the two. Very interesting to watch them work out family issues. The females chasing behind the Silverback were like the referees .
This is the second time it's happened, that I've seen. The zoos have a Binder with a list and pictures of male gorillas that need a family, mostly blackbacks. Cause this will keep happening and get worse, alot of stress for the gorillas
We laugh and learn and benefit from the gorillas thanks they are very smart and intelligent animals always learning something new each day from them god bless you guys thanks you guys rock way to go much love and respect and appreciation stay safe and warm out there love you guys thanks stay safe and warm out there !!! 😅😅😊Joe
Gorillas are beautiful animals.
And I think they're fantastic to look at.
But I have to say that I think the animal enclosure is small and boring
Thats very true, sad to see people think this is funy 😢
I was thinking the same thing. I agree!!!!
I don’t personally know myself, but someone viewing this video said that there is actually a much larger area for them to be in outside, and this area is used primarily for when it’s raining or when they tire of being outdoors.
There is a very large outdoor area that they use a lot.
I wonder why Nene’s lower lip hangs down, does anyone know.
17:27 битва" началась😆😃🔥🔥🔥И Шабани два раза пропускает" и спасается бегством😂😂😂
Wish there space was cleaned a bit more. Gvbbvvv vvvnmtgythat was my cat. LOL Thanks! ❤❤❤
Yep there were a lot of poop.
Terrible habitat for the gorillas. Take a lesson from the Cincinnati zoo, or many others who offer a wide variety of stimulation for the gorillas
Looks like there had already been some sort of altercation if Kiyomasa hurt himself. But at the heart of it all, it's the girls who are the bravest and who wade in and try to prevent anything happening even though it's clear they are very wary of Shabani. I guess Kiyo is starting to mature and so there's not going to be room for the two of them for much longer. In the wild Kiyo would start his own family and troop.
Grass sand and trees. Why solid concrete ?
I knew it was coming..Kyo..has been testing his father for a while. Time for Kyo to go.❤❤
C'est pas facile quelque fois pauvre shabani ❤
Oh geez now we'll have to see Kiyo sulking for a few days. Shabani has spoiled him rotten!
Nene has spoiled him rotten too
Bby it was the females sitting there keeping the peace.. eating their fruit., legs & arms crossed- just tryna stay out the way. The respect they have for the silver back- & still protected son when he agitated the alpha.. thoroughly enjoyed watching it.
シャバーニは、家族をとても大切にしてる。
キヨマサとも、ふざけあってる姿はとてもみてて楽しい。
でも、いつまでもこの状況もダメなんですよね😞
キヨマサの独り立ちの日も近いですかね…。
2月のときの、拒絶するキヨマサが過るけど、また元気に親子でふざけ合っててほしいです😢
シャバーニとキヨマサには、もう暫くいっしょにいて欲しいですよね😢
はじめまして
あの日 私もシャバーニ一家を ずーっと見ていました
なんかいつもと違う雰囲気だなぁと感じてました
野菜類も殆ど食べてない状態…
一家は並んで地下に行ったり来たり…キヨマサの右手が 開いていたのが気になって…飼育員さんに聞こうかと思ったくらいです。
あーこんな事があったのですね…
とても納得しました ありがとうございます
キヨマサ君も大人になってきて そんな時期なのですね… 親子プロレスを楽しく見ていたのに…
20日のシャバーニの誕生日までに 親子関係が良くなってますように 和やかなシャバーニ一家に戻りますように
私も祈ります
ありがとうございました
いらっしゃってたんですね。
多くの来園者もゴリラたちの地下行ったり来たりの行動を不思議がっていましたね。
関係修復に大体1ヶ月かかるみたいですけど、なんとかスピード修復してもらいたですよね☺️
Shabani is so large, but amazingly light as a feather when he moves quickly.
All fathers are like that🤣🤣🤣.
www.youtube.com/@maryriley6163
SO WAS JACKIE GLEASON
Dads a bit grumpy today but it is to be expected,it's all in the teaching,but Shabani is very lenient with them,they are a good group,rarely have any blow ups,but I would expect more of it to come.
I wonder if they had a more natural environment, instead of cement and wood, that there would be less stress and tension overall.
They do have a large outdoor area
Kiyo is so spoilt, he will be sulking for weeks now. Its incredible how much wiser gentaro (Momotaro group) is than him
Shabani barely touched him and he will sulk. It's his mother's fault for treating him like a baby.
Momotaro literally attacks Gentaro and you don't see him sulking like that.
A few year ago kiyomasa seemed more mature but Gentaro has grown up so much more lately
Just as people have different personalities and characters, so do gorillas. You can't really compare one to another.
Kiyomasa is a spoilt boy, one day he is gonna push it to far & he will get what he deserves.✌️
@@sonjavandam1306я не могу дождаться, когда Шабани вспомнит о своем статусе альфа-самца и поставит на место свое семейство во главе со старухой.
Гентаро - гений в среде горилл. Он изначально умнее их всех вместе взятых. Только Энни может с ним сравниться по умственным способностям. Наверное, полученное воспитание у людей сыграло свою роль. С ними много играли и развивали. Жаль, что их не хотят поженить. А Кийо очень избалован матерью, она его до 6 лет кормила грудью, что неслыханно и сдувала с него пылинки. Вот и результат ее воспитания. Шабани забыл, что он главный в стае и никто не имеет право голоса без его согласия. Его неправильное поведение привело к дисбалансу в отношениях в их семье.
@@Gretta1759 I agree, I saw some videos, when Kiyo was 4 or 5 he clung to his mom & even when she was chasing Shabani he would be on her front, that is the reason why the old woman's arms are bent when she walks.. Oh poor old Nene with her arthritis, but when it comes to protecting her son she is the first one to leg it.😅 I've never seen her protect Ai but Ai always has her back. This is another video that will divide people's opinion.
I don’t like to see Shabani and Kiyomasa fighting (but I know it’s all part of becoming a silverback) And I understand that Nene and Ai takes up for Kiyomasa BUT I’m very happy to see Annie standing up for her dad!! I know the zoo itself has limited space for all the animals,, even when they get the space for the bachelor group there has to be that one leader silverback the top dog number one big guy. I know and understand all that but until one becomes the leader there will be a lot of fighting 😢😢😢and that’s going to be horrible to watch.. IDK 🤷♀️ just thinking out loud again.
I feel the exact same! 😔
@@ShouldHaveBeenAStripper 🌹❣️🌹❣️
This is powder cake of emotions it’s like watching a trump rally very unsettling
@@brendawheeler1543 it's like watching biden trying to walk on stairs, or speak, even more unsettling
@@bobbys4327, don’t start with politics. And Trump looks like an orangutan!’
The problem is that the root of all this (altercation in the basement) was not caught on video. So one does ot know, if Shabani scolded/attacked Kiomasa without cause or acted in reaction to some kind of provocation. Obviously the reaction of troop membes differs: they will scare the silverback off, if his behaviour is willfully aggressive (frustrated Djeeco atacking Riki/Momoko), or stay quiet if it's a (measured) response to a provocation (Momotaro putting Gentaro in his place (2 times caught on video, Genki/Kintaro only slightly reacting the second time). Here Kiyomasa took a glance to the left ("You're with me?" (?)) before confronting Shabani and the troop acted accordingly.
I think you mean Haoko not D’Jeeco
@@jujubegoldYou're right, my bad.
Here you’re again! First Shabani would never attacked Kiyo without provocation as yourself criticized him for lack of action and kisses Momotoro because he always always reprimanded Gentaro, so you always come here in order to criticizing Shabani and know that he corrected Kiyo starting on the basement you post that maybe maybe Shabani attacked Kiyo out of the blue because Shabani is sooooo a bad leader. But Shabani can’t never win on your eyes or he is an inept leader or he’s a bully and attacks for no reason!
@@stevemorris6790It's OK that you don't like my comments, but (1) please stop making things up and (2) write in an intelligible manner. Wipe the foam at your mouth and consult a therapist. Seriously.
Shabani loves Kiyo and really didn't want to hurt him.
These females.witnessed Kiyomasa repeatedly hitting Shabani first. Towards the end, these females join Kiyomasa & gang up on Shabani. Kiyomasa feels empowered because the entire troop is on his side. Momotaro knocked his son Gentaro's teeth out. But Shabani's too kind to whip Kiyomasa's butt. Move Kiyomasa to the Momotaro troop, so he can learn about respect.
Amen, Annie will always stand by the dad that protected as a small child.
@@sonjavandam1306Annie é uma princesa ❤
@@dudadossantos3646 Annie is loyal to her dad, she is his princess.
🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂 that was funny. The females protect the weaker member.
@@sowhat7472 Mama will protect her boy.
Love how the male starts it and the women protect him and finish it,the thing is though when Shabani really loses his temper,Kiyo is going to be very sorry.
Shabani deveria dar uma lição nos 3, Nene, Kiyomasa e Ai. Fiquei muito feliz que Annie ficou preocupada com o papai Shabani 😊. O maior problema do Shabani e sensibilidade eu entendo isso, mais queria que ele fosse mais rigoroso em assunto que um deles era pra acabar já faz tempo.
Sim , queria muito que ele desse um sacode nos 3 bem dados , mas Shabani e muito sensivel ele só levou um tapa na cabeça nem tomou iniciativa .
Vi um video dele dando um em nenê por causa de annie quando era filhote e foi louco ele levantou ela na mordida 😮
He has to keep his troop in order. Kiyo needs to be in a bachelor group.
Love the way everything is captioned so you know what is going on and who is who ❤
So strange they have such a close relationship but he is of age but Kiyos issue is he’s been spoiled an he hides behind the females who have always come to his defense. What ever occurred his hiding in the basement is telling he’s still afraid of daddy an is still immature unlike Gentaro who sadly can’t escape his father
There is a video from Japanese Zoo I just watched & I think it was the lead up to this drama.
@@sonjavandam1306, so dear what do you think happened ?
@@stevemorris6790 The comment I made before your comment, watch it & you might think what I do. I don't know what happened before so I can't say.
Kiyo is fortunate to have places to hide. Gentaro does not. He’s learned to take the punches and not sulk before and after. He’s also not as fortunate to have Shabani as a father. Grow up Kiyo! Whatever you did take the punishment like Gentaro does!
I think it better to have dad like momotaro who is strict and always on rules,Shabani good too but he is too soft and more play than rules,the real unfortunate is kiyo have Nene as mother who spoilt him rotten .
I agree Momo gets respect from his boys.@@mapalieymartin3171
Nene birth Kiyo at an older age. That's another reason she spoiled him.
Genki always defends Gentaro. Big Momo wasn't allowed to discipline Gentaro if he did there was hell to pay from Genki.
Gentaro does his fair share of testing the waters with his Dad too. You can tell by the goofy look on Gentaro's face and the way he makes his lips and that artched back.....
That's usually his posture when he is attacking Genki, but it's the same when he is messing with his Dad.........
清正の幸運は、父親が桃太郎ではないことだ。源太郎は清正よりもはるかに優れた筋肉を持っているという印象を受けることがある
Momotaro lo hubiera puesto en su lugar hace mucho tiempo.
La familia de Momotaro son los mejores escaladores que he visto, sus músculos se ven bien desarrollado.
Es una pena que estén encerrados en un recinto tan deprimente. La hermosa Genki está sufriendo frente a todos
Shabani is a little permissive with his son and his son disrespects him possibly because he has the support of the females but if Gentaro did this with Momotaro the punishment is severe. Very nice video and informative too, thank you. I Love gorillas ❤❤❤❤
There is a lot of tension going on in that environment.☹️☹️
sweet little Nene is so protective. 😍
Does anybody know if kiyomasa's injured hand was treated ?
A staw bed in a box several of them would be nice for them to sleep comfortably. I saw this at a sanctuary
Сын поднял руку на отца! Мама и дочь поддержали сына! Семейка!...?😢😢😮
Wow!It was amazing to see the females defending their little big boy!!BUT,will they still love him tomorrow?(when he is number one)🌺🙃🤗🫠🫶🙃🙂🦍🦍🦍🖖
A perfect example of why these special, captive beings, need sign lanuage, my friends.😊
They already display sign language: their hands, their posture, glances and eye contact, their attitude: playfulness or lack of it. There are so many ways gorillas sign their intent.
Gorillas communicate just fine without sign language.
What they need is a proper breeding program that actually plans the future for these animals ahead of time. Waiting until they are grown and then trying to figure out what to do is a piss poor way of doing things. The future of these beautiful animals should have been mapped out when they were still little. Now Japan has 5 gorillas that need to be moved away from their family group, and they don't have anywhere to put them.
Yes. Gorillas first. Instead of our own intent. Simple 20 vocabulary word or signs, would help stimulate them, and communicate better than they are, to each other. They can tell the keepers "where it hurts", whos fault it is, favorite fruit ice, mother, father, love, and "move away from the child".
P.S.-my cat knows 4 signs, and 10 words.
@@bigboytoyz541 It's sad that we have to keep coming back to the lack of planning, we will probably be having the same conversation in 6 mths.😡
Is it just me thinking that lucking these wonderful creatures in a cage does not help at all..
Sad too see
This is normal at most of our Wal-Mart locations in Texas. Some Silverbacks get arrested and some get away from having slippery skin.
Annie looks at her father with such affection , she knows who protected her all these times, therefore she’s loyal to him . Kiyo needs to learn his lessons and Nenê and Ai needs to not being defending him all the times!
I believe that jus as the sliverback makes sure an argument ends quickly between their girls, the girls make sure the son doesn't get to badly hurt.❤
Look at my hunk of gorilla 🦍 I just adore my Shabani ❤ He has such a big heart
With all that noise how do they stay sane?
I been praising the Shabani Troop in other groups for their calm and happy environment. Maybe Kiyomasa is about to enter the Gentaro and Lope stage of adolescence. The rise of Kiyomasa 🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍
That was so intense and it had to boil over but I love how all the ladies surrounded Kiyo and as soon as it broke out, they defended him.
Kiyomasa took advantage of that, that's why he poked Shabani he knew they would go after him.
@@sonjavandam1306 Agreed, he did!
I don't understand why Shabani stops a fight or fights with Kyio and all the ladies attack him. He's the silverback that's what he's supposed to do
You do understand kiyo is in the wrong don't you
@@JoshuaSmith-ev7lm that doesn't matter...it's a natural troop response to whomever is beening targeted...regardless of fault.
I think the females were worried that Shabani would seriously hurt Kiyo.
ほんとシャバーニの誕生日までにはなんとか仲直りして欲しい‼️
0:41 That's one hairy butt, dude🤣
These intelligent creatures belong in the wild, not a life of confinement for our viewing pleasure. Nature knows how to take care of itself
I love Gorilla's ❤️
When will the son go to the bachelor group
There is no bachelor group
@@bigboytoyz541 so wat will they do with Shani son he will be a silver back soon
@@christinamoore9618 unfortunately I don't think they have any plans for any of them. There are 5 gorillas in Japan that are adults now with nowhere to go.
@@bigboytoyz541 omg this not kool they have to make another group for those who outgrowing the family
@@christinamoore9618 I agree.
wow!!!! what have i been missing, was unable to catch up for few days is Kiyomasa finally taking charge of the group. Poor Neene I love her so much she always ready to protect her son even though he is always wanting to bash her
Can anyone tell me about Ai...? Im very curious about her father, and when were Nene and he together...?😊
Rule number 1.The silverback rules. Rule number 2. see rule number 1. Rule number 3. see rule number 1.
LoL
Gorilla Fight Club.
The Silverback Rules !!💪💪🦍
Where the grass and the trees for them why aren't they outside playing
Maybe Kiyomasa was to touchy with females in basement so it’s how it’s coulda started
Shabani is greased lightning !!🌺🫶🦍🖖
Thanks, it's interesting watching the expressions, plotting and manoeuvring. Can you form close bonds as keepers with these gorillas?
I’m new here. I notice that gorillas seem to keep a little distance from each other and even family members don’t seem to touch Shabani. I suppose because he is the head of the troop?
Yes, he is. ☺️
This habitat for them is so cold, no natural atmosphere for them. SAD
I hope Kiyomasa's hand isn't too badly injured.
you all did a spot on job of making that look like their natural habitat... I feel so bad for them things from dirt to concrete and a prop here and there
Agreed, natural composting with a bio floor , possibly healthier environment. Why are they there 😢
that move was genius 17:54
京都のゲンタロウと同じくキヨマサもそろそろ１人立ちなのかな？
Its time to give Kiyomasa to another zoo.
This is obviously a natural male rivalry thing as he has goten older.
It's quite natural for some males to leave the troop...
ITS CRAZY--- the whole environment NEEDS SUPER DUPER STRAW FOR THEM
Funny how Kiyo runs when he sees Shabs, but the moment he has his army behind him with General Nene, he’ll start with provoking Shabs. Then let the rest run him. I wonder if something happened to Nene, would Ai continue to guard Kiyo or would he FINALLY have to stand on his own??
They have feelings and emotions and there moments like anyone else right they make good parents and grandparents and uncles and aunties stay safe and warm looking out for his family and troops taking care of business we laugh and learn and benefit from the gorillas they are very smart and intelligent animals always learning something new each day from them stay safe and warm out there love you guys thanks !!! Joe
もうキヨマサは家族の群れから離す時期にきていますね。
シャバーニは息子に甘い父親だったと思う。
最近は、京都のモモ一家でも同じようなことがありますが、モモパパはゲンタロウに厳しい父親だと思うし、そのくらいがいい。
アメリカ🇺🇸に住んでた時に見たのは、ご存知かと思いますが、🇺🇸動物園は独身のオスゴリラだけの群れのグループを作って一緒に居て、日本でも動物園が協力し合ってそのような場所を作って若いオス、ゲンタロウやキヨマサ、後にはリキを一緒にすれば良いと考えますけど、日本の動物園はなり行き主義の放置している感しか無いです。
個人の感想ですが、シャバーニが可哀想に感じます😢
考えすぎでしょうか…
コメントありがとうございます。
そして仰る通りだとも思います。
日本にもバチェラーグループの施設は必要ですよね。
ただ、それに向けての組織作りや資金調達も必要ですが。
I wish my dad been in my life as a silver back 😘👏
The smaller wasn’t to brave the way he ran to get away. He gave him a couple sucker punches
That silver back would beat or kill that younger gorilla . . But the silver back dad doesn't want to hurt or kill his son . . But he could if it came to doing .
Sabani is a very patient and understanding father.
Like the slow motion part. You can see exactly what happened.🇺🇸❤️
Sad there kept in this environment for ticket sales . Looks like when I was in prison waiting for my release date. Unfortunately no date for the animals except death in a cage 😢😢
Not good Kiyomasa trying to claim ownership of the females, Shabani won't like this 😱😨
Videos show nasty Nene having sex with Kiyomasa since he was a toddler. Several months ago, Shabani attempted to discipline Kiyomasa for mating his sister Annie. Recently, Kiyomasa was attempting to screw his sister Ai, but he stopped when Shabani gave him a look that could kill. Obviously, Shabani & Nene don't like each other. Shabani sees Nene as a troublemaker & Nene sees Shabani as a weak Silverback. Nene & Ai are supposed to be Shabani's wives. But Shabani can't stand Nene & Ai is not interested in sex with Shabani.
This zoo needs to remove Kiyomasa & his troop.(Nene & Ai) to avoid a fatality.
I wish Kiyomasa wouldn’t do that to Shabani 😢
He’s been changeling him for a while now…….. he needs to be shown the ropes……also……I hate this environment for these majestic animals creatures……. They need to follow the example of The Bronx Zoo
Let these animals live in the wild. Been enclosed will guarantee high stress levels.
Wow!I’ve never seen Nene move so quickly!🌺🤗🫶💕🦍🙂🖖
Kiyo is getting to big for his britches, dad is right to discipline his son.
Scene in thumbnail starts at 17:00, I wonder why the channel didn't mention it in pinned comment or description
10:18 Is the hand of this gorilla 🦍 injured that he's walking on his wrist instead of his hand????
Was Kiyomasa provoking Shabani? It's weird for him to do that when the situation is tense but maybe he doesn't know better. I don't think it's him showing off like Gentaro, he would be running and posing biting his lips.
Gentaro is a little bit ahead of where kyomasa is, as far as growth. Kyomasa is just now hitting the point where he will start to change drastically, like gentaro. When this happens, they get so overrun with testosterone that they literally go crazy. Kinda like gentaro is doing now. So the fighting and aggression will only get worse. He will probably start challenging his father more, just like gentaro. It is up to the zoo to separate them before it gets bad. But the zoo's have failed all of these young gorillas. In the wild they would have left on their own, but here they have no choice.
@@bigboytoyz541Os Zoos falharam não só com jovens, mas com Genki que está doente, Monta e Laura que vivem isolados, a família Momotaro vive em um cubículo que parece um terreno abandonado. Acho o Ktomassa mimado e abusado, ele se garante nas fêmeas, ele já acasalou com a mãe e as irmãs, a mãe e a AI são fêmeas do pai, mas o maior culpado são os que pegam os gorilas sem planejamento, porque é óbvio que eles vão ficar do tamanho dos pais, essas pessoas deveriam ser multadas, só assim tudo isso poderia mudar um pouco, só dói quando mexe no bolso.
@@claudiadossantosfernandes1094 I agree 100%. I don't think that Japan is equipped to handle a breeding program. All of these gorillas deserve a better home and deserve to be treated better.
Kiyomasa provoked Shabani because he waited until the females were on his side.
@@claudiadossantosfernandes1094 👏👏👏 Amen
いつかキヨマサは群れから離れることになりますが、
シャバーニのお誕生日までには仲直りしてほしいですね🦍❤
Lope is on his silverback journey now, Genaro and Kiyomasa will need their journeys to start soon, very soon! 🦍🤍🖤
Where are the bananas and the fruits they need that nutrition