Hi Michael, always enjoy your channel. I think the real point here is around the word 'cultural' and there are two ways of viewing this - (1) the impact these bands had on popular culture in their classic period (1960s-1970s) and their musical influence until now and (2) their cultural significance in a wider sense. The best definition I ever came across for 'Culture' was "Everything we don't do that we don't have to do to survive," - so naturally we're talking about the Arts, technology, philosophy and the whole sphere of progressive human endeavour since the Enlightenment. But let's just boil culture down to artistic and historical significance. Of the three bands, I much prefer Deep Purple, as I like an ensemble with a keyboardist above a four piece classic rock lineup anyday, as it allows for a greater range of timbres and expression across a wider tonal range. It's more colourful, in short. Purple are, however, hamstrung by lineup changes and the fact they still exist and these factors may be said to have diminished their impact compared to Zep - who had no embarrassing post 70s output . I have the classic albums by all three bands and listen to Purple the most and have done since the 1970s. However, in terms of broad cultural impact, I think Gillan is correct, for Black Sabbath's inherent sense of the Gothic - an artistic-cultural sub-movement in Literature that sprang out of Romanticism in the late 18th and early 19th century- allies them instantly to a far older cultural tradition in human culture than anything Zep or Purple can claim too. Sabbath didn't just inspire the genre that became Heavy Metal in its purer forms, but referred to a far older tradition of supernatural musings and writing (yes, I'm bringing a lyrical focus in here) which doesn't just reflect the history of Fiction itself as story becomes split into Realism and Fantasy in the late 18th century, but infected Rock music outward from Sabbath into the many Punk, Post-Punk and Goth acts which appeared in Britain in the late 1970s and early 1980s - I'm sure there are many among members of The Banshees, The Cult, Bauhaus, The Sisters of Mercy and so on who would cite all three bands we are discussing as influencing them, but it is Sbbath who had the consistent lyrical focus on the Gothic in their lyrics and sound. They are both archaic and Modern at the same time. To digress into genre, for me the bands that inspire genres stand outside them both historically in chronological terms and stylistically - genres coalesce when younger bands imitate pioneers- for instance, my favourite Heavy Metal band is Judas Priest in their initial incarnation- their first album contains clear influences from Sabbath, Zep and Purple: and also the nascent first wave of genre heavy metal acts like Priest, AC/DC and UFO all sport twin guitar memberships, which helped codify and refine HM into an identifiable genre ...prior to that, Zep, Purple and Sabbath were sui generis. So in cultural history in a wide sense, Sabbath are undoubtedly more culturally impactful than the other bands - although Zep have their Tolkienesque moments, their not as fully coherent or direct as Sabbath are- though Zep are undoubtedly aesthetically more accomplished as musicians per se. It's not always the more subtle and highly aspirational artists who have the greatest cultural impact- and in rock and roll, which isn't always a very subtle craft, the bludgeoning power of Sabbath guaranteed their influence would be more prevalent than Zep and Purple in inspiring the rock bands who come in the wake of classic rock gradually becoming overshadowed culturally by new forms in the late 1970s onwards. I think it's worth mentioning here that I'm writing from a British perspective, as Punk Rock and its successor subgenres flowered in a mass sense here before they ever did in the States. Whatever you think of my post, it's an interesting point Gillan makes and it's always fun to listen to you speak about music so passionately here. Have a good day.
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Thanks Michael. I felt the point needed a more nuanced response than a simple gainsaying based on personal preference, musical ability or the who-came-first approach. Cheers.
I came to the same conclusion as you, again from a UK perspective, but rather less eloquently. Deep Purple are my favourite but you are right about the cultural impact of Black Sabbath.
Gillan was referring to the 'cultural' importance, which has nothing to do with which band has better albums. The fact is Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are heavy metal pioneers, but Black Sabbath is the first truly heavy metal band, and their influence on the genre is much greater and much more noticeable in later great heavy metal bands, such as Judas Priest or Metallica. Master of Reality was a huge influence on the development of doom metal as a genre and Symptom of the Universe lay the foundation for thrash metal. There's also the influence on alternative and grunge (all Seattle bands cite Sabbath as a huge influence). In terms of fashion and aesthetics, once again, Sabbath brought the black clothes, the crosses, the religious heaven vs hell motives, which you can see in a ton of bands (to the point of being generic in some cases). In other words, which band is culturally influential has nothing to do with which band has better albums or more virtuosity, because in that regard, bands like Dream Theater would be the most influential and bands like the Ramones would be totally irrelevant, which simply is not true. Love all three bands but you have to give credit where credit is due.
I recently read that Ozzy was very impressed with the heavyness of the first two Led Zeppelin albums, and they were a big influence on Black Sabbath. So even if Sabbath were a direct influence on heavy metal, Zeppelin may have been a more indirect influence on heavy metal.
I bet the people saying Gillan had more range haven't listened to any bootlegs especially when Copenhagen 71 exists. If you heard that show and still think Gillan was better and had more range, you're either a Purple stan or tone deaf. This isn't even counting Plants 1977 rebirth. There is no comparison. Not even close.
I saw Ian, Robert and Ozzy multiple times each and from concerts ranging from the early 70s through the late 80s. Ian Gillan was better then Robert and Ozzy, and it wasnt really close in my opinion. The only singers I saw live that were at Ians level live were Paul Rodgers, Freddie Mercury and Rob Halford. The best singer I ever saw was Ronnie James Dio who I saw with Rainbow, Sabbath and Dio. Honorable mention to Steven Tyler. I also saw Sabbath with Ozzy, Ronnie and Ian. each show was incredible but the 2 shows I saw with Ian fronting Sabbath were the 2 heaviest concerts I have ever seen. My god they were phenominal. Ian was a force of nature. Zero the Hero felt liuke the they were going to collapse the arena, They made Mettallica sound like the Captain and Tenille. Fricking awesome.
There maybe a rationale in saying Black Sabbath introduced heavy metal (although not the creators) to a wider audience and there is no doubt their significance is pervasive. However Zep's catalogue is so much more expansive and to this day when one reads record reviews by old and new bands Zep is regularly referenced. They were totally unique and all imitators fail miserably to live up to this band (hey Greta Van Fleet) because of their ability to produce material so expansive and beautifully executed that i don't believe we will EVER see their like again. As for Deep Purple a wonderful band full of brilliant musicians but i don't believe their influence is quite as significant as the other 2 bands.
Zepplin, followed by Deep Purple then Sabbath. But no denying, those 3 bands had some of the greatest musicians. I mean think about that. Iommi, Ward, Lord, Blackmore, Butler, Bonham, Page, Jones. Hard rock royalty!!!!
Deep Purple is my favorite band. Live, in their prime, they were untouchable. They were rapidly becoming the top band in the world, sales-wise and their concerts were incredible. Their problem was inner conflict. Their management and record company just pushed them to tour and record, instead of letting them rest, which caused Gillan to announce, in late 1972, his leaving at the end of the 1973 tour. That should have been a wake up call. Instead, they were just pushed to the point of exhaustion. We ended up getting Coverdale and Hughes, which eventually caused the band to spiral downward, mostly due to Hughes and Bolin's drug addictions. Since we will never know how things would have transpired had they been allowed to relax and recuperate and keep the MKII line-up going, I will put them behind the mighty Zeppelin. Zep will always be number one. Page took control of everything, which is what Blackmore and Lord should have done. I think that talent-wise, they were fairly equal, just different styles. I have all of the Zep and DP albums, other than DP's Turning To Crime and their new one. I don't have any Sabbath albums, post-Dio, although there are some good albums with Tony Martin. Zeppelin is number one because they were consistent, with no line-up changes. They controlled themselves, which kept them fresh, which is a tribute to Page. So, in popular culture, Zep will always be first and Purple next. In the 'What could have been?' category, Purple is, unfortunately, number one. Sabbath's influence on what eventually became Heavy Metal, comes in third here.
Agree. Purple outsold every artist on the planet 1973-74 the year that Gillan and Glover .. left and were fired .. respectively. They shot the golden goose, probably due to exhaustion through touring mismanagement. However we have the legacy of all the line ups which followed such as Burn 🔥
@@seabud6408 So true. MKII laid the groundwork and MKIII kept it going, at least for a short while. MKII should have taken time off to relax and rejuvenate. They would have reached new heights, for sure.
Love both Sabbath and Zeppelin but Gillian is absolutely right. It’s a no-brainer. Sabbath created a whole new genre that’s still going strong to this day. Eventually heavy metal would’ve been created by some band but Sabbath was the first. Zeppelin was initially a hard rocking blues band with the volume turned up but the Sabbath tone and heaviness was never heard before. You’re mixing up your personal opinion on the talents of the band members as opposed to the type of music they created. The Beatles were not great instrumentalists in any way and they couldn’t even read music but would you say they weren’t one of the most culturally significant bands ever or Elvis wasn’t a trendsetter who influenced everyone when he didn’t even write his own songs?
Sabbath is no doubt more important to die hard Sabbath fans. Zeppelin is more important than Sabbath to Zeppelin fans but time has borne out that Zeppelin has been more influential to rock music as a whole. Ask random people on the street to name a Sabbath song. Ask random people on the street to name a Deep Purple song. Ask random people on the street to name a Zeppelin song. That will pretty much settle it.
The Sabbath answer would almost always be Paranoid and maybe WP. Purple, you would get Smoke, but also Space Truckin', Highway Star, WFT, PS and maybe Child and Lazy. Zep would give you Stairway, but also Whole Lotta Love, Kashmir, Rock And Roll, The Song Remains The Same, Dazed and maybe No Quarter. There are just more people who know Zep and DP tunes, mostly because of airplay.
You're missing the point though. Gillan's premise is that Sabbath is more "culturally" significant than Purple And Zeppelin, he did not state that they were more influential musically. Zepp by far influenced more rock bands and musicians, but Sabbath had a deeper effect upon pop culture as a whole.
Very interesting to learn Ian feels this way after all these years, In my world these bands were the big 3 for me and all equally important for different reasons, but each of them were on the top for me Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple 👍☮️
If you want to compare Gillian with Plant, just listen to both of them in a live situation back in their heyday, Robert Plant always sounded like he was struggling to hit the high notes he could do in the studio, Black Dog, Rock and Roll for example. Ian Gillan however nailed it 'live' whatever he could sing in the studio, a good example would be Child in Time. For me Deep Purple & Black Sabbath equal 1st then Led Zepplin 2.
73 onwards yes. Pre 73 Robert had a god damn air raid siren for a voice. Check out rock n roll from Sydney 72 and tell me Robert was struggling. Also zep were never about copy8ng the studio version. They improvised ALOT live. They were all about the flow. The groove and the jamming out with each other
That’s a separate issue from the topic at hand. Was Gillian superior to Plant as a vocalist? Possibly. But we are talking about the bands here, not a vocalist comparison.
@@Scoobydcs Purple always improvised during their concerts. Other than the basic structure, they made each song ten times better. Zep did the same. Sabbath also did, to a lesser extent. I will put Made In Japan, especially the whole three concert set, first here and How The West Was Won, second. They are both great and are in my regular rotation. Sabbath's live output was spotty at best. Some live stuff from the Dio era was real good and a shady release from the Born Again tour, probably stands out as at least decent.
Art is meant to be observed and enjoyed. When are we going to stop comparing it? Likely never. We can’t help it I guess. Look up the Zeppelin audio from Milwaukee ‘70 and listen to Heartbreaker. We all know Gillian can hit the highs but I feel Robert had the edge over his competition at the time. Both singers were different in their ways.
Better than the Mighty Zep, from someone you was just beginning high school in 1969 when both bands were starting out, I call BS on being better than LZ.
Hi Michael, Ian Is a very articulate person and comes across as quite a learned. However, if you read his autobiography, he virtually lost all of his money after he left Purple for the first time due to some stupid financial decisions. When they reconvened for Perfect Strangers he was virtually broke. I certainly would not take to heart, any revelation about his opinion of cultural relevance of Zep over Sabbath.
Love the discussion because we’ll get hundreds of different opinions on this culturally changing genre. Ian Gillian has a good point that the hard rock heavy metal headbanging culture was deeply rooted in the lyrics and thumping sound of Sabbath. we can’t discount that no matter the musicality of Zepplin and Deep Purple, who I liked above Sabbath in the end.
I'm not disrespecting Ian Gillian because he is one of the great lead singers, but Led Zeppelin's body of work is more eclectic featuring not only blues, but folk, jazz, avant-garde and heavy rock. Deep Purple were important but had too many changes in their line-up & thus were less consistent.
He does say "to a certain extent"... and I can't argue that Zep, Sabbath & DP did something special. But, yeah... it's really tough to say who is culturally more "important". Sabbath brought lyrical darkness and "diabolus in musica", (the Devil's Tritone) and down-tuned guitars to heavy blues-based rock and created the formula for what is later to be dubbed heavy metal. Not to mention a hell of a rhythm section. Geezer has style and usually doubles the guitar with some sick fills thrown in. Purple used a similar formula, but added a baroque flavor and took away the darkness. Another great rhythm section, but Roger isn't as flashy... just riding the root note most of the time. Zeppelin, now... Zeppelin never stuck to a formula. They'd do rock 'n' roll, heavy metal, folk, blues, prog, medieval, etc... all on one album. They introduced fans of heavy rock to different genres that we otherwise wouldn't know of, giving us an appreciation for different cultures and imparting the ability to respect other peoples. THAT is, I believe, probably the most important aspect of music. As great as Bill Ward & Ian Paice are, neither of them can play like Bonzo. It's like drums were created thousands upon thousands of years ago just in preparation for the birth of John Henry Bonham. And Jonesey... his bass playing style changes from song to song (sometimes within a song). Sometimes doubling the guitar, sometimes riding the root note, and other times doing his own thing, either way, it always compliments the song. And his abilities on keyboard/organ are incredible, not to mention the fact that he is fluent on so many other instruments. Yeah, Zep is the most important overall...
On the question of cultural importance, all I can say is [insert yawn here]. But on the question of greatness: I love Deep Purple and Black Sabbath (with Ozzy.) When I listen to them I get totally into it and I think: Damn this is so great! But when I listen to Led Zeppelin, I listen in awe. --Dan
Yep, it's Zeps unrivaled chemistry that stands out for me! The startling diversity of their music doesn't hurt either, the power, groove, exotic sonics, the beauty of the acoustic stuff, the willingness to experiment and progress their sonics, Jimmy's mastery in the studio, and oh my lord, listening to Plants early Zep vocals never fails to blow me away! Zeppelin make good bands sound boring. WE WONT SEE ANOTHER OF THEIR KIND! @@MJEvermore853
Lol! Sorry if there was no Led Zeppelin there would be no Black Sabbath or Deep Purple! As Ozzy and Tony Iomi said they used to get high listening to Zeppelin! And Richie Blackmore said when he heard Zeppelin's first album he was blown away! And that's when Ritchie said that's the direction he wanted to take Deep Purple! And paranoid sounds pretty close to communication breakdown! And at the 3 minute mark on days and confused Zeppelin pretty much gave birth to metal! And coda had wearing and tearing which is pretty much early speed metal!
My ranking of the bands( favourites )1 .zep 2. Purple 3. Sabbath. Now if you reverse that, that is the order i think is most important in metal terms. Sabbath is 1 purple is 2 zep is 3
At the end of the end when it came to musical output, Led Zeppelin was FAR more consistent than either Sabbath or Deep Purple. The latter two bands had some real clunkers in their discography whereas each of Led Zeppelin's studios albums ranged from great to masterpiece. Even Coda is better than say DP's Come Taste The Band or Sabbath's Never Say Die
Purple's MKII stuff was top-notch and a match for Zep, at that time. They were just physically drained by 1973. Come Taste The Band was too much of a deviation from the classic DP style. Coverdale and Hughes just took the band in the wrong direction, causing Blackers to leave. Bolin just wasn't the right fit to replace Ritchie and their drug addictions just killed the band. Sabbath, after TE, had just run out of ideas, although NSD was OK. Drugs took their toll on them, also. You are correct, here, though. Zep stayed the course, with Page leading the way. DP just took too many turns after the MKII split and Sabbath just ran out of steam, in the writing department.
Gillan is off his head. Led Zeppelin were and still are the greatest band in history. They dominated the 70s and are still recognised as the greatest by most people who know their music.
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My favorite of the three is Deep Purple. The level of virtuosity is amazing. And they were the loudest. 😂 I do agree with Gillian that Sabbath was the most influential of the three. I like Zep but they did too many acoustic songs for my taste. And also too much blues.
a agree Mike, and actually my top 2 which always change depending on my mood, is the Beatles and Zep. i'm surprised Gillan didn't state that they were more important than the Beatles-lol, i woulda lost my shit over that but everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether mislead or not-lol
Using your criteria - basically taking the 10,000 foot view - it's Zeppelin at #1 easy. In accordance with the rules here Sabbath has to be next, then Purple. Though personally it would be Zep, Purple behind by a decent amount, and Sabbath waaaaaaaaaaaay behind them.
Can someone please make a movie or series about these 3 bands. They all came up at the same time and knew each other coming up. it would make a great biopic!
Nonsense. Zeppelin's first album first riff (Good Times Bad Times) did it all - start of heavy metal. And year was 1968. In those times Iommi played The Shadows covers and blues. Btw. I love both Sabbath and Purple very very much🤘
To my ear, Sabbath got into a groove and stayed there. Same for Deep Purple. My Woman from Tokyo and Smoke on the Water ruined that band for me. The mighty Zeppelin rules over all. From Whole Lotta Love to Going To California, my goodness, the Hammer of the Gods could slay my heart with power and pastoral beauty.
I think you got the order right, with Black Sabbath under Deep Purple under Led Zeppelin. Well deducted, spoken plainly. I would put Uriah Heep under Black Sabbath.
Led Zeppelin were the first heavy rock band. They set the bar for rock music in the 70s. Their music is insurpassable. Look at their immense body of work. They have more memorable and instantly recognisable riffs than any other band.
Before Zeppelin, there was Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Blue Cheer, The Troggs, The Who, The Kinks, Johnny Kidd and The Pirates, Dick Dale and Link Wray. Led Zeppelin simply copied old blues and folk songs, claiming them as their own. They definitely were not the first heavy band.
@@jakepepper2279The mighty Zep did a helluva lot more than "simply copy old blues and folk songs...... A LOT MORE! Your Zeppelin slag is tired and uninformed, not at all accurate. You not a Zeppelin fan, fine and dandy, but their eternal greatness can't be questioned.
For goodness sakes, Sabbath invented a whole new genre of music. Of course they were more culturally significant. When the lead singer of Deep Purple says so himself, I think he would know.
When it comes to Metal Zep and Purple distant themselves from it. Sabbath did more metal for longer and to me did the most for the genre. Seriously if Plant tried to sing Child in Time once he would have lost his voice in 1970.
He hates Ian said he can only sing 12 bars. Gillan had 5 octive voices. Gillan was also picked to sing Jesus Christ Superstar or Plant. Plant wanted that gig. Gillan beat him out.
I would personally rank them depending on my taste: 1) Deep Purple 2) Led Zeppelin 3) Black Sabbath From what I understand. Led Zeppelin was THE band in the 1970's. Nobody could really compete. That's the main reason Eric Clapton, Pete Townshend and others has spoken "ill" about them. It's basically jealously. They wanted The Who, The Rolling Stones or others up on the throne. Regarding one specific album or song they might have reached the same success but the overall impact? Not at the time. However. Metal has become the number #1 modern rock genre with all it's subgenres and bands like Pantera, Metallica, Slayer, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Opeth and the endless line of all names. When I watch current festivals and the line-up there are so many metal bands it's impossible to know them all on a deeper level. Black Sabbath is the main source for metal. Sure Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple influenced as well but not in the same way. Not to metal. So. I would say that in the 1970's Led Zeppelin had the biggest impact. Today? Black Sabbath. Deep Purple had so many members doing other successful things that they over time has reached almost the same height. I mean... Trapeze, Warhorse, Captain Beyond, Black Country Communion, Whitesnake, Rainbow, Ian Gillan Band (all things Ian Gillan), The Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Joe Satriani, Gary Moore.. SO many albums are linked to Deep Purple. Robert Plant had a quite successful career after Led Zeppelin. Ozzy Osbourne is huge.. But other things Geezer Butler? Tony Iommi? Bill Ward? John Paul Jones? Jimmy Page? What a few exceptions.. Not much to compare with. Whitesnake and Rainbow are huge bands in their own rights and they both grew from Deep Purple.
Humble and Star in the same sentence?!🙀 ( You'll never hear Sabbath in an elevator). No one sounded as metallic as Iommi@70 imo. Sab did what they did before most. There are heavy bands but not like Sab. Dont worry Zep music will never go away. Not gonna happen.
Gillan saying the "three bands" as if his band and Sabbath were on the same ground as Zeppelin. Zeppelin beats both of them combined on all counts regardless of the criteria you use, this is out of question.
All three are excellent bands. Is it okay to enjoy them for completely different reasons? You can hear their influences in so many groups across the spectrum. It is just too hard to pick just one. That would be very difficult for me at least.
I grew up with these bands and trust me Sabbath was a major step down from the mighty Zep. I love Ozzy and the band but no lead at all that could make you get the chills like Page. The chords and rhythm were awesome but still let's face it. No cigar in my opinion.
Can't say I agree with your comparison of Zep vs Purple. I personally prefer Ian Gillan over Plant by a significant margin. Gillan had as much range as Plant if not more and to my ears he had a much better feel for melody and a more pleasing voice in general. Blackmore was probably technically more proficient than Page. They had radically different styles and both brought something unique and influential to rock guitar. Paice and Bonham are pretty close. Bonham had more power, but I might argue Paice had more finesse and versatility. Glover and Jones both anchored their bands effectively without overshadowing their more flamboyant bandmates. Jones probably contributed more with his multi instrumental prowess and arranging skills. I have to give kudos to Gillan for his humble take on the comparisons. No doubt it wasn't his brief tenure in Sabbath that he was referring to.
Maybe Gillan is biased as the only member of DP to have been in (a version of) Sabbath. Born Again is not exactly what I would consider a classic album although I have been running into younger people the past few years who seem to hold it up as one.
@@seabud6408 I think they work well together, I just think it would have been better as a project album under a different name to free them from the baggage that comes with calling it Black Sabbath. I would like to hear a full remix of that one, it would be interesting .
Yep, in my mind Heep were far more important, better songs and more originality, musically and better songs, think Bryon better vocals as well. Zeppelin were too on the bluesy rock side for me, first 4 albums had some ok tracks, but Heep had a great run of amazing albums, at least until Byron died,.But you so Zeppelin 2 good for you..
Even though Zeppelin will always be #1 to me I kind of agree with Ian Gillan in that Black Sabbath basically started the entire heavy metal genre. BUT without Zeppelin there would be no Black Sabbath, period. Sabbath had a bigger influence on heavy metal. Zeppelin had a bigger influence on everything and was far bigger overall. So I'm on the fence about it. Zeppelin released I and II before Sabbath even released their debut. Ozzy, Ward, Iommi and Geezer Butler put on LZ records and were blown away by what they heard. They went in a different and darker direction than Zep. Deep Purple were great musicians but IMO is clearly third in the "Big 3" because their early material in the late 60's was not very good.
Cream, The Who, Deep Purple, The Rolling Stones and a slew of other Zeppelin contemporaries hate that Led Zeppelin is the band that has withstood the test of time. You can see the hate in Pete Townsend's eyes when discussing Zeppelin. Jack Bruce thinks anyone who thinks Page is better than Clapton is an idiot. I guess I'm an idiot. Keith Richards trashes Zeppelin but he's close to Jimmy Page so it might be British humor.
Culturally significant. Hmm. Good point and a vague one, too. It's hard to hear Presence without hearing Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. At the same time I don't hear Paranoid without Zep's 4th album. The first 7 Led Zeppelin albums can be listed as being the formers of what we hear today. Of course none of it is possible without The Beatles but, do I put Black Sabbath's contribution to heavy metal as more significant than Led Zeppelin's contribution to hard rock? No way as many would argue that Led Zeppelin was the first heavy metal band.
Black Sabbath only influenced heavy metal, Led Zeppelin influenced multiple genres from rock to pop and even hip hop (Beastie Boys). 1. Led Zeppelin 2. Black Sabbath 3. Deep Purple
I'm not a metal head necessarily, I think the natural progression to metal was the Beatles,the kinks,pink Floyd and then sabbath. I don't subscribe to Zep being a progenitor of metal. And I love them, my second favourite band. I think deep purple and priest are responsible for thrash.
you gotta give all three bands credit for taking rock to new heights. Sabbath was definitely the heaviest therefore they influenced the heavy metal genre.
It does seem to me the Black Sabbath has been more influential on many bands. Especially in the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal genre. I think The Who was more influential on the Grunge movement than both Sabbath and Zep. Just my opinion.
I Like this 3 Bands but Deep Purple is mine prefer . Led Zeppelin or BlacK Sabbath come behind after but they are the best in their genre . I love as three bands ! Ritchie Blackmore is e was one Genio !
Hi Michael, always enjoy your channel. I think the real point here is around the word 'cultural' and there are two ways of viewing this - (1) the impact these bands had on popular culture in their classic period (1960s-1970s) and their musical influence until now and (2) their cultural significance in a wider sense.
The best definition I ever came across for 'Culture' was "Everything we don't do that we don't have to do to survive," - so naturally we're talking about the Arts, technology, philosophy and the whole sphere of progressive human endeavour since the Enlightenment. But let's just boil culture down to artistic and historical significance.
Of the three bands, I much prefer Deep Purple, as I like an ensemble with a keyboardist above a four piece classic rock lineup anyday, as it allows for a greater range of timbres and expression across a wider tonal range. It's more colourful, in short. Purple are, however, hamstrung by lineup changes and the fact they still exist and these factors may be said to have diminished their impact compared to Zep - who had no embarrassing post 70s output . I have the classic albums by all three bands and listen to Purple the most and have done since the 1970s.
However, in terms of broad cultural impact, I think Gillan is correct, for Black Sabbath's inherent sense of the Gothic - an artistic-cultural sub-movement in Literature that sprang out of Romanticism in the late 18th and early 19th century- allies them instantly to a far older cultural tradition in human culture than anything Zep or Purple can claim too. Sabbath didn't just inspire the genre that became Heavy Metal in its purer forms, but referred to a far older tradition of supernatural musings and writing (yes, I'm bringing a lyrical focus in here) which doesn't just reflect the history of Fiction itself as story becomes split into Realism and Fantasy in the late 18th century, but infected Rock music outward from Sabbath into the many Punk, Post-Punk and Goth acts which appeared in Britain in the late 1970s and early 1980s - I'm sure there are many among members of The Banshees, The Cult, Bauhaus, The Sisters of Mercy and so on who would cite all three bands we are discussing as influencing them, but it is Sbbath who had the consistent lyrical focus on the Gothic in their lyrics and sound. They are both archaic and Modern at the same time.
To digress into genre, for me the bands that inspire genres stand outside them both historically in chronological terms and stylistically - genres coalesce when younger bands imitate pioneers- for instance, my favourite Heavy Metal band is Judas Priest in their initial incarnation- their first album contains clear influences from Sabbath, Zep and Purple: and also the nascent first wave of genre heavy metal acts like Priest, AC/DC and UFO all sport twin guitar memberships, which helped codify and refine HM into an identifiable genre ...prior to that, Zep, Purple and Sabbath were sui generis.
So in cultural history in a wide sense, Sabbath are undoubtedly more culturally impactful than the other bands - although Zep have their Tolkienesque moments, their not as fully coherent or direct as Sabbath are- though Zep are undoubtedly aesthetically more accomplished as musicians per se. It's not always the more subtle and highly aspirational artists who have the greatest cultural impact- and in rock and roll, which isn't always a very subtle craft, the bludgeoning power of Sabbath guaranteed their influence would be more prevalent than Zep and Purple in inspiring the rock bands who come in the wake of classic rock gradually becoming overshadowed culturally by new forms in the late 1970s onwards.
I think it's worth mentioning here that I'm writing from a British perspective, as Punk Rock and its successor subgenres flowered in a mass sense here before they ever did in the States. Whatever you think of my post, it's an interesting point Gillan makes and it's always fun to listen to you speak about music so passionately here. Have a good day.
Thanx, Outlaw, and I do this for the passion! And what a comment! I’m pinning this one!
What say ye Tribe? Outlaw makes a very good point here! 🌴
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Thanks Michael. I felt the point needed a more nuanced response than a simple gainsaying based on personal preference, musical ability or the who-came-first approach. Cheers.
@@outlawbookselleroriginaland to you to Outlaaw! Thanx! ❤
Very impressive summation. Hats off to you, sir!
I came to the same conclusion as you, again from a UK perspective, but rather less eloquently. Deep Purple are my favourite but you are right about the cultural impact of Black Sabbath.
My 3 three favourite bands .They are all brilliant in their own way
Gillan was referring to the 'cultural' importance, which has nothing to do with which band has better albums. The fact is Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are heavy metal pioneers, but Black Sabbath is the first truly heavy metal band, and their influence on the genre is much greater and much more noticeable in later great heavy metal bands, such as Judas Priest or Metallica. Master of Reality was a huge influence on the development of doom metal as a genre and Symptom of the Universe lay the foundation for thrash metal. There's also the influence on alternative and grunge (all Seattle bands cite Sabbath as a huge influence).
In terms of fashion and aesthetics, once again, Sabbath brought the black clothes, the crosses, the religious heaven vs hell motives, which you can see in a ton of bands (to the point of being generic in some cases). In other words, which band is culturally influential has nothing to do with which band has better albums or more virtuosity, because in that regard, bands like Dream Theater would be the most influential and bands like the Ramones would be totally irrelevant, which simply is not true. Love all three bands but you have to give credit where credit is due.
Well said Milo! ❤
Absolutely.
I recently read that Ozzy was very impressed with the heavyness of the first two Led Zeppelin albums, and they were a big influence on Black Sabbath. So even if Sabbath were a direct influence on heavy metal, Zeppelin may have been a more indirect influence on heavy metal.
I bet the people saying Gillan had more range haven't listened to any bootlegs especially when Copenhagen 71 exists. If you heard that show and still think Gillan was better and had more range, you're either a Purple stan or tone deaf. This isn't even counting Plants 1977 rebirth. There is no comparison. Not even close.
I have to disagree with you saying Gillan can’t hold a candle to plant in his prime. He absolutely can and was just as good in my opinion better.
Agreed. Gillan had a greater vocal range than Plant. Not knocking Plant, but Gillan has and had the more powerful voice.
Agreed. That was probably the biggest fanboy comment, Mr. Noland has ever spewed.😅
I saw Ian, Robert and Ozzy multiple times each and from concerts ranging from the early 70s through the late 80s. Ian Gillan was better then Robert and Ozzy, and it wasnt really close in my opinion. The only singers I saw live that were at Ians level live were Paul Rodgers, Freddie Mercury and Rob Halford. The best singer I ever saw was Ronnie James Dio who I saw with Rainbow, Sabbath and Dio. Honorable mention to Steven Tyler. I also saw Sabbath with Ozzy, Ronnie and Ian. each show was incredible but the 2 shows I saw with Ian fronting Sabbath were the 2 heaviest concerts I have ever seen. My god they were phenominal. Ian was a force of nature. Zero the Hero felt liuke the they were going to collapse the arena, They made Mettallica sound like the Captain and Tenille. Fricking awesome.
100%
There maybe a rationale in saying Black Sabbath introduced heavy metal (although not the creators) to a wider audience and there is no doubt their significance is pervasive. However Zep's catalogue is so much more expansive and to this day when one reads record reviews by old and new bands Zep is regularly referenced. They were totally unique and all imitators fail miserably to live up to this band (hey Greta Van Fleet) because of their ability to produce material so expansive and beautifully executed that i don't believe we will EVER see their like again. As for Deep Purple a wonderful band full of brilliant musicians but i don't believe their influence is quite as significant as the other 2 bands.
Brilliant comment Baz! Thanx! ❤
1. Led zeppelin
2. Deep purple
3. Black Sabbath
Queens of the Stone Age and Screaming Females are better than those bands.
Honorable mention: Uriah Heep
Zepplin, followed by Deep Purple then Sabbath. But no denying, those 3 bands had some of the greatest musicians. I mean think about that. Iommi, Ward, Lord, Blackmore, Butler, Bonham, Page, Jones. Hard rock royalty!!!!
Deep Purple is my favorite band. Live, in their prime, they were untouchable. They were rapidly becoming the top band in the world, sales-wise and their concerts were incredible. Their problem was inner conflict. Their management and record company just pushed them to tour and record, instead of letting them rest, which caused Gillan to announce, in late 1972, his leaving at the end of the 1973 tour. That should have been a wake up call. Instead, they were just pushed to the point of exhaustion. We ended up getting Coverdale and Hughes, which eventually caused the band to spiral downward, mostly due to Hughes and Bolin's drug addictions. Since we will never know how things would have transpired had they been allowed to relax and recuperate and keep the MKII line-up going, I will put them behind the mighty Zeppelin. Zep will always be number one. Page took control of everything, which is what Blackmore and Lord should have done. I think that talent-wise, they were fairly equal, just different styles. I have all of the Zep and DP albums, other than DP's Turning To Crime and their new one. I don't have any Sabbath albums, post-Dio, although there are some good albums with Tony Martin. Zeppelin is number one because they were consistent, with no line-up changes. They controlled themselves, which kept them fresh, which is a tribute to Page. So, in popular culture, Zep will always be first and Purple next. In the 'What could have been?' category, Purple is, unfortunately, number one. Sabbath's influence on what eventually became Heavy Metal, comes in third here.
Agree. Purple outsold every artist on the planet 1973-74 the year that Gillan and Glover .. left and were fired .. respectively.
They shot the golden goose, probably due to exhaustion through touring mismanagement. However we have the legacy of all the line ups which followed such as Burn 🔥
@@seabud6408 So true. MKII laid the groundwork and MKIII kept it going, at least for a short while. MKII should have taken time off to relax and rejuvenate. They would have reached new heights, for sure.
I remember a member of DP referring to themselves as the grandfather of heavy metal.
Love both Sabbath and Zeppelin but Gillian is absolutely right. It’s a no-brainer. Sabbath created a whole new genre that’s still going strong to this day. Eventually heavy metal would’ve been created by some band but Sabbath was the first. Zeppelin was initially a hard rocking blues band with the volume turned up but the Sabbath tone and heaviness was never heard before.
You’re mixing up your personal opinion on the talents of the band members as opposed to the type of music they created. The Beatles were not great instrumentalists in any way and they couldn’t even read music but would you say they weren’t one of the most culturally significant bands ever or Elvis wasn’t a trendsetter who influenced everyone when he didn’t even write his own songs?
Sabbath is no doubt more important to die hard Sabbath fans.
Zeppelin is more important than Sabbath to Zeppelin fans but time has borne out that Zeppelin has been more influential to rock music as a whole.
Ask random people on the street to name a Sabbath song.
Ask random people on the street to name a Deep Purple song.
Ask random people on the street to name a Zeppelin song.
That will pretty much settle it.
Good to hear from ya Will! And well said! ❤
The Sabbath answer would almost always be Paranoid and maybe WP. Purple, you would get Smoke, but also Space Truckin', Highway Star, WFT, PS and maybe Child and Lazy. Zep would give you Stairway, but also Whole Lotta Love, Kashmir, Rock And Roll, The Song Remains The Same, Dazed and maybe No Quarter. There are just more people who know Zep and DP tunes, mostly because of airplay.
You're missing the point though. Gillan's premise is that Sabbath is more "culturally" significant than Purple And Zeppelin, he did not state that they were more influential musically. Zepp by far influenced more rock bands and musicians, but Sabbath had a deeper effect upon pop culture as a whole.
Very interesting to learn Ian feels this way after all these years, In my world these bands were the big 3 for me and all equally important for different reasons, but each of them were on the top for me Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple 👍☮️
If you want to compare Gillian with Plant, just listen to both of them in a live situation back in their heyday, Robert Plant always sounded like he was struggling to hit the high notes he could do in the studio, Black Dog, Rock and Roll for example. Ian Gillan however nailed it 'live' whatever he could sing in the studio, a good example would be Child in Time. For me Deep Purple & Black Sabbath equal 1st then Led Zepplin 2.
73 onwards yes. Pre 73 Robert had a god damn air raid siren for a voice.
Check out rock n roll from Sydney 72 and tell me Robert was struggling. Also zep were never about copy8ng the studio version. They improvised ALOT live. They were all about the flow. The groove and the jamming out with each other
They picked Gillan to be Jesus in JCSS over Plant.
That’s a separate issue from the topic at hand. Was Gillian superior to Plant as a vocalist? Possibly. But we are talking about the bands here, not a vocalist comparison.
@@Scoobydcs Purple always improvised during their concerts. Other than the basic structure, they made each song ten times better. Zep did the same. Sabbath also did, to a lesser extent. I will put Made In Japan, especially the whole three concert set, first here and How The West Was Won, second. They are both great and are in my regular rotation. Sabbath's live output was spotty at best. Some live stuff from the Dio era was real good and a shady release from the Born Again tour, probably stands out as at least decent.
@@thetruthhurts6652 what a ridiculous comment. You actually think Plant applied for the role in a musical. LOL
Art is meant to be observed and enjoyed. When are we going to stop comparing it? Likely never. We can’t help it I guess. Look up the Zeppelin audio from Milwaukee ‘70 and listen to Heartbreaker. We all know Gillian can hit the highs but I feel Robert had the edge over his competition at the time. Both singers were different in their ways.
Better than the Mighty Zep, from someone you was just beginning high school in 1969 when both bands were starting out, I call BS on being better than LZ.
Great job on this tough subject Michael. I would have to go Led Zeppelin #1, Black Sabbath a close #2, Deep Purple #3
Didn't Jimmy Page once state that Presence was his favourite album or is my memory failing me?
I know that Robert of all people like the album Baz!❤
I've heard the same thing. It is certainly a Page/Bonham-driven album. It is my second favorite Zep album, behind House's.
IMHO the solo in Achilles is very Blackmoresque in feeling .
Hi Michael, Ian Is a very articulate person and comes across as quite a learned. However, if you read his autobiography, he virtually lost all of his money after he left Purple for the first time due to some stupid financial decisions. When they reconvened for Perfect Strangers he was virtually broke. I certainly would not take to heart, any revelation about his opinion of cultural relevance of Zep over Sabbath.
"to a certain extent"...more important doesn't mean better...
so nothing to worry about....
True true Rob! 😉👌❤
Love the discussion because we’ll get hundreds of different opinions on this culturally changing genre. Ian Gillian has a good point that the hard rock heavy metal headbanging culture was deeply rooted in the lyrics and thumping sound of Sabbath. we can’t discount that no matter the musicality of Zepplin and Deep Purple, who I liked above Sabbath in the end.
I'm not disrespecting Ian Gillian because he is one of the great lead singers, but Led Zeppelin's body of work is more eclectic featuring not only blues, but folk, jazz, avant-garde and heavy rock. Deep Purple were important but had too many changes in their line-up & thus were less consistent.
A big amen to that Dennis!❤👌🏆
He does say "to a certain extent"... and I can't argue that Zep, Sabbath & DP did something special. But, yeah... it's really tough to say who is culturally more "important".
Sabbath brought lyrical darkness and "diabolus in musica", (the Devil's Tritone) and down-tuned guitars to heavy blues-based rock and created the formula for what is later to be dubbed heavy metal. Not to mention a hell of a rhythm section. Geezer has style and usually doubles the guitar with some sick fills thrown in.
Purple used a similar formula, but added a baroque flavor and took away the darkness. Another great rhythm section, but Roger isn't as flashy... just riding the root note most of the time.
Zeppelin, now... Zeppelin never stuck to a formula. They'd do rock 'n' roll, heavy metal, folk, blues, prog, medieval, etc... all on one album. They introduced fans of heavy rock to different genres that we otherwise wouldn't know of, giving us an appreciation for different cultures and imparting the ability to respect other peoples. THAT is, I believe, probably the most important aspect of music. As great as Bill Ward & Ian Paice are, neither of them can play like Bonzo. It's like drums were created thousands upon thousands of years ago just in preparation for the birth of John Henry Bonham. And Jonesey... his bass playing style changes from song to song (sometimes within a song). Sometimes doubling the guitar, sometimes riding the root note, and other times doing his own thing, either way, it always compliments the song. And his abilities on keyboard/organ are incredible, not to mention the fact that he is fluent on so many other instruments.
Yeah, Zep is the most important overall...
Wow, another great comment here Mark! You guys amaze me! ❤❤❤
Led zepp.is the most importent band in the history.❤❤❤❤from sambation band .eylat israel.
On the question of cultural importance, all I can say is [insert yawn here]. But on the question of greatness: I love Deep Purple and Black Sabbath (with Ozzy.) When I listen to them I get totally into it and I think: Damn this is so great! But when I listen to Led Zeppelin, I listen in awe.
--Dan
Bullseye! I feel you on that, Page and company made music that will leave millions of us in eternal AWE!
100% agree. Zep is the only band on the planet that ever left my jaw on the floor - repeatedly!
Yep, it's Zeps unrivaled chemistry that stands out for me! The startling diversity of their music doesn't hurt either, the power, groove, exotic sonics, the beauty of the acoustic stuff, the willingness to experiment and progress their sonics, Jimmy's mastery in the studio, and oh my lord, listening to Plants early Zep vocals never fails to blow me away! Zeppelin make good bands sound boring. WE WONT SEE ANOTHER OF THEIR KIND! @@MJEvermore853
Ridiculous only Beatles had more impact than zeppelin black sabbath was limited in their vision of music compared to zeppelin and even purple
Lol! Sorry if there was no Led Zeppelin there would be no Black Sabbath or Deep Purple! As Ozzy and Tony Iomi said they used to get high listening to Zeppelin! And Richie Blackmore said when he heard Zeppelin's first album he was blown away! And that's when Ritchie said that's the direction he wanted to take Deep Purple! And paranoid sounds pretty close to communication breakdown! And at the 3 minute mark on days and confused Zeppelin pretty much gave birth to metal! And coda had wearing and tearing which is pretty much early speed metal!
Very very true my friend 🤘😎🤘
That is not true at all. Sabbath and Purple would have been regardless of Zeppelin.
Well said ZosoMetalGod! Nice to hear from ya! ❤
@@tomy8339agree 👍🏻
And geezer Butler thought that they were somewhere in between the Beatles and pink Floyd.
Lots of influences there.
My ranking of the bands( favourites )1 .zep 2. Purple 3. Sabbath. Now if you reverse that, that is the order i think is most important in metal terms. Sabbath is 1 purple is 2 zep is 3
Good point.
At the end of the end when it came to musical output, Led Zeppelin was FAR more consistent than either Sabbath or Deep Purple. The latter two bands had some real clunkers in their discography whereas each of Led Zeppelin's studios albums ranged from great to masterpiece. Even Coda is better than say DP's Come Taste The Band or Sabbath's Never Say Die
Purple's MKII stuff was top-notch and a match for Zep, at that time. They were just physically drained by 1973. Come Taste The Band was too much of a deviation from the classic DP style. Coverdale and Hughes just took the band in the wrong direction, causing Blackers to leave. Bolin just wasn't the right fit to replace Ritchie and their drug addictions just killed the band. Sabbath, after TE, had just run out of ideas, although NSD was OK. Drugs took their toll on them, also. You are correct, here, though. Zep stayed the course, with Page leading the way. DP just took too many turns after the MKII split and Sabbath just ran out of steam, in the writing department.
Love this channel. Keep up the great work mate. From the land of Oz 🤘😎🤘
Damn that’s nice to hear brother! Thanx for your kind words Glenn! ❤❤❤
My opinions are so different but I love hearing your reasoning.
Gillan is off his head. Led Zeppelin were and still are the greatest band in history. They dominated the 70s and are still recognised as the greatest by most people who know their music.
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I was with u (as I usually am)
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Sabbath w/Dio
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HEAVEN & HELL
That was Sabbath at its Most AMAZING‼️
My favorite of the three is Deep Purple. The level of virtuosity is amazing. And they were the loudest. 😂 I do agree with Gillian that Sabbath was the most influential of the three. I like Zep but they did too many acoustic songs for my taste. And also too much blues.
Rock Gods in Order: 1. The Mighty Led Zeppelin 2. Black Sabbath 3. Deep Purple
a agree Mike, and actually my top 2 which always change depending on my mood, is the Beatles and Zep. i'm surprised Gillan didn't state that they were more important than the Beatles-lol, i woulda lost my shit over that but everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether mislead or not-lol
Grunge should never be spoken about when we talk about those three bands grunge was nothing new and what they were doing was not that good
Amen ^^
To each their own. I don't share that opinion, although I love all three bands. Cheers Michael.
Cheers right backatcha Ernie! I love all three bands, but The mighty Leddened ship rules in my book! ❤
Same in my house, Micheal.
The greatest heavy rock drummers of all time.
Using your criteria - basically taking the 10,000 foot view - it's Zeppelin at #1 easy. In accordance with the rules here Sabbath has to be next, then Purple. Though personally it would be Zep, Purple behind by a decent amount, and Sabbath waaaaaaaaaaaay behind them.
Ah well if yer gonna use Logic C! 😉👌❤
I as big as a Led Zeppelin fan you can get but I would agree with Gillian. Black Sabbath is heavy metal the name the look the sounds.
Can someone please make a movie or series about these 3 bands. They all came up at the same time and knew each other coming up. it would make a great biopic!
Agree .. but we already have “The Tap” 🚰 . Imagine the cast list/cost for Deep Purple alone. 😀
I absolutely agree with Ian!
In honor of his opinion on this topic, I'm going to give Born Again a spin.
Led Zeppelin took over where The Beatles left off.
Nonsense. Zeppelin's first album first riff (Good Times Bad Times) did it all - start of heavy metal. And year was 1968. In those times Iommi played The Shadows covers and blues. Btw. I love both Sabbath and Purple very very much🤘
Ah! A comment after my own heart Zachary! Well said! ❤❤❤
To my ear, Sabbath got into a groove and stayed there. Same for Deep Purple. My Woman from Tokyo and Smoke on the Water ruined that band for me. The mighty Zeppelin rules over all. From Whole Lotta Love to Going To California, my goodness, the Hammer of the Gods could slay my heart with power and pastoral beauty.
Led Zep, hands down Tribe Chief!!!!!😊
In a word, NO.
Agree all the way Michael!
1. Led Zeppelin
2. Deep Purple
3. Uriah Heep
4. Balck Sabbath
Uriah Heep gets overlooked.
Yes they do Chad! But tonight’s video was based on Ian’s comments. But they would be #4 for me! ❤🏆👌
Also a Uriah Heep fan👍
Not in the league of Purple Zeppelin or Sabbath.
@Fuxerz I think they are. But whatever.
I think you got the order right, with Black Sabbath under Deep Purple under Led Zeppelin. Well deducted, spoken plainly. I would put Uriah Heep under Black Sabbath.
Me too RedRock! They’re my #4 and always has been! ❤
Led Zeppelin were the first heavy rock band. They set the bar for rock music in the 70s. Their music is insurpassable. Look at their immense body of work. They have more memorable and instantly recognisable riffs than any other band.
Cream are contenders too but Zepp’s first album was the turning point for me.
apart from the stones kings of riff
Yep! Zep is untouchable, eternal greatness that won't be equaled!
Before Zeppelin, there was Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Blue Cheer, The Troggs, The Who, The Kinks, Johnny Kidd and The Pirates, Dick Dale and Link Wray. Led Zeppelin simply copied old blues and folk songs, claiming them as their own. They definitely were not the first heavy band.
@@jakepepper2279The mighty Zep did a helluva lot more than "simply copy old blues and folk songs...... A LOT MORE! Your Zeppelin slag is tired and uninformed, not at all accurate. You not a Zeppelin fan, fine and dandy, but their eternal greatness can't be questioned.
Ian is 100% correct. Sabbath are not only more important but better also.
Of course Ian Gillan's correct on this.
yep
For goodness sakes, Sabbath invented a whole new genre of music. Of course they were more culturally significant. When the lead singer of Deep Purple says so himself, I think he would know.
They basically invented metal. But zep changed everything so imo zep were more influential. Certainly a broader scope than sabbath
@@ScoobydcsAbsolutely. It can be argued that Zeppelin is second only to the Beatles in terms of influence.
Don't know what you're talking about Black Sabbath?? For goodness sake.
@@BBaldwin i dont see how you could argue against that
@@Scoobydcs helterskelter…… metal the Beatles are the root😊
When it comes to Metal Zep and Purple distant themselves from it. Sabbath did more metal for longer and to me did the most for the genre.
Seriously if Plant tried to sing Child in Time once he would have lost his voice in 1970.
He hates Ian said he can only sing 12 bars. Gillan had 5 octive voices. Gillan was also picked to sing Jesus Christ Superstar or Plant. Plant wanted that gig. Gillan beat him out.
@@Fuxerz he hated a lot of people and especially Coverdale because he started to get more popular than him.
Sabbath doesn't compare to Zeppelin.
Gillan is right👍
1. Black Sabbath
2. Deep Purple and Uriah Heep
3. Led Zeppelin
I would personally rank them depending on my taste:
1) Deep Purple
2) Led Zeppelin
3) Black Sabbath
From what I understand. Led Zeppelin was THE band in the 1970's. Nobody could really compete. That's the main reason Eric Clapton, Pete Townshend and others has spoken "ill" about them. It's basically jealously. They wanted The Who, The Rolling Stones or others up on the throne. Regarding one specific album or song they might have reached the same success but the overall impact? Not at the time.
However.
Metal has become the number #1 modern rock genre with all it's subgenres and bands like Pantera, Metallica, Slayer, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Opeth and the endless line of all names. When I watch current festivals and the line-up there are so many metal bands it's impossible to know them all on a deeper level. Black Sabbath is the main source for metal. Sure Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple influenced as well but not in the same way. Not to metal.
So. I would say that in the 1970's Led Zeppelin had the biggest impact. Today? Black Sabbath.
Deep Purple had so many members doing other successful things that they over time has reached almost the same height. I mean... Trapeze, Warhorse, Captain Beyond, Black Country Communion, Whitesnake, Rainbow, Ian Gillan Band (all things Ian Gillan), The Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Joe Satriani, Gary Moore.. SO many albums are linked to Deep Purple. Robert Plant had a quite successful career after Led Zeppelin. Ozzy Osbourne is huge.. But other things Geezer Butler? Tony Iommi? Bill Ward? John Paul Jones? Jimmy Page? What a few exceptions.. Not much to compare with. Whitesnake and Rainbow are huge bands in their own rights and they both grew from Deep Purple.
Gillan is getting senile…The Seattle scene was a disgusting disaster and a huge damage to metal. Nothing to do with Black Sabbath.
@@victorstefanovsky6902 Agreed Victor! ❤️
Agree!
I agree that Presence was a great album. Physical Grafiitti was an excellent compilation album.
Humble and Star in the same sentence?!🙀 ( You'll never hear Sabbath in an elevator). No one sounded as metallic as Iommi@70 imo. Sab did what they did before most. There are heavy bands but not like Sab. Dont worry Zep music will never go away. Not gonna happen.
Well said Adam! We are hearing from all sides on this one! ❤
Gillan saying the "three bands" as if his band and Sabbath were on the same ground as Zeppelin.
Zeppelin beats both of them combined on all counts regardless of the criteria you use, this is out of question.
Black Sabbath!
Deep Purple / Black Sabbath / Led Zeppelin / Imagine the music of these three bands became extinct , couldn't find any recordings .
Physical Graffiti has more good songs than Purple and Sabbath's catalogue combined.
All three are excellent bands. Is it okay to enjoy them for completely different reasons? You can hear their influences in so many groups across the spectrum. It is just too hard to pick just one. That would be very difficult for me at least.
Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, then Deep Purple...
I can’t argue with your coherent analysis, the only Black Sabbath I like is the one with Dio.
Love all 3 .. had 100 copies of smoke on the water incase got a scratch..... But i agree 100 percent.
Actually to us early fans they were acid rock.
Black Sabbath,Black Sabbath was the 1st album that was arguably a full catalog of heavy music.
I grew up with these bands and trust me Sabbath was a major step down from the mighty Zep. I love Ozzy and the band but no lead at all that could make you get the chills like Page. The chords and rhythm were awesome but still let's face it. No cigar in my opinion.
Please do a video on Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow. Rainbow was a great band. I love Blackmore as a guitarist.
Can't say I agree with your comparison of Zep vs Purple. I personally prefer Ian Gillan over Plant by a significant margin. Gillan had as much range as Plant if not more and to my ears he had a much better feel for melody and a more pleasing voice in general. Blackmore was probably technically more proficient than Page. They had radically different styles and both brought something unique and influential to rock guitar. Paice and Bonham are pretty close. Bonham had more power, but I might argue Paice had more finesse and versatility. Glover and Jones both anchored their bands effectively without overshadowing their more flamboyant bandmates. Jones probably contributed more with his multi instrumental prowess and arranging skills. I have to give kudos to Gillan for his humble take on the comparisons. No doubt it wasn't his brief tenure in Sabbath that he was referring to.
Maybe Gillan is biased as the only member of DP to have been in (a version of) Sabbath. Born Again is not exactly what I would consider a classic album although I have been running into younger people the past few years who seem to hold it up as one.
They have found the master tapes hopefully it’ll get a remix in 2025. It’s sounds .. not good but is a good album IMO.
@@seabud6408 I think they work well together, I just think it would have been better as a project album under a different name to free them from the baggage that comes with calling it Black Sabbath. I would like to hear a full remix of that one, it would be interesting .
Born again is the last classic from Black Sabbath. In a way, Gillan brought back the danger.
I prefer Black Sabbath over Led Zeppelin. My list would be Black Sabbath Deep Purple then Led Zeppelin. Bill Ward is underrated as a drummer too
I'm a zep head but sabbath are great too. I agree about ward. Everybody knows how incredible Bonham was but bill gets overlooked alot
Sabbath and Purple are a tie at #1 Zeppelin is #2 maybe even #3 with yes being #2.
100%
Geezer Butler was the best bass player out of those three Rodger Glover hasn't done much in the last 30 years 40 years
@@mikekeeler6362Nonsense! John Paul Jones wiped the floor with both of them.
1. Black Sabbath
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Deep Purple
1. Black Sabbath 2. Deep Purple 3. Uriah Heep. Led Zeppelin. maybe 4.
@@markkaminski4496 don't make me laugh... Zepp 1) Deep Purple 2) and then maybes Black Sabbath but certainly not Uriah Heep!
Yep, in my mind Heep were far more important, better songs and more originality, musically and better songs, think Bryon better vocals as well. Zeppelin were too on the bluesy rock side for me, first 4 albums had some ok tracks, but Heep had a great run of amazing albums, at least until Byron died,.But you so Zeppelin 2 good for you..
Even though Zeppelin will always be #1 to me I kind of agree with Ian Gillan in that Black Sabbath basically started the entire heavy metal genre. BUT without Zeppelin there would be no Black Sabbath, period. Sabbath had a bigger influence on heavy metal. Zeppelin had a bigger influence on everything and was far bigger overall. So I'm on the fence about it. Zeppelin released I and II before Sabbath even released their debut. Ozzy, Ward, Iommi and Geezer Butler put on LZ records and were blown away by what they heard. They went in a different and darker direction than Zep. Deep Purple were great musicians but IMO is clearly third in the "Big 3" because their early material in the late 60's was not very good.
DP MK 1 made 3 albums in 1 year, make it a 1 cd sampler and its fantastic.
Led Zeppelin, number one. Black Sabbath, two. Deep Purple, three.
Zep for me is number 1 of all bands😎
Cream, The Who, Deep Purple, The Rolling Stones and a slew of other Zeppelin contemporaries hate that Led Zeppelin is the band that has withstood the test of time. You can see the hate in Pete Townsend's eyes when discussing Zeppelin. Jack Bruce thinks anyone who thinks Page is better than Clapton is an idiot. I guess I'm an idiot. Keith Richards trashes Zeppelin but he's close to Jimmy Page so it might be British humor.
That’s a lot of jealous Englishmen 😅😂
Culturally significant. Hmm. Good point and a vague one, too. It's hard to hear Presence without hearing Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. At the same time I don't hear Paranoid without Zep's 4th album. The first 7 Led Zeppelin albums can be listed as being the formers of what we hear today. Of course none of it is possible without The Beatles but, do I put Black Sabbath's contribution to heavy metal as more significant than Led Zeppelin's contribution to hard rock?
No way as many would argue that Led Zeppelin was the first heavy metal band.
Black Sabbath only influenced heavy metal, Led Zeppelin influenced multiple genres from rock to pop and even hip hop (Beastie Boys).
1. Led Zeppelin
2. Black Sabbath
3. Deep Purple
I love Sabbath, but come on.
If you are a Metalhead, Gillan is Absolutely Right!
I'm not a metal head necessarily, I think the natural progression to metal was the Beatles,the kinks,pink Floyd and then sabbath. I don't subscribe to Zep being a progenitor of metal. And I love them, my second favourite band. I think deep purple and priest are responsible for thrash.
He has a point.
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Zeppelin is overrated as far as I’m concerned.
Agreed, you can't beat the trio of Lord, Paice and Blackmore that was unmatched magic especially live.
‘Culturally more important’?
An astute call.
you gotta give all three bands credit for taking rock to new heights. Sabbath was definitely the heaviest therefore they influenced the heavy metal genre.
Michael Noland, do you even DOOM? I think we know the answer to that question.
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Of. The. Three. Bands. I. Like. Led. Zeppelin. Deep. Purple. Black. Sabbath. Because. Jimmy. Page. As. Guitarist. And. Musician. Connects. With. The. People. .
It does seem to me the Black Sabbath has been more influential on many bands. Especially in the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal genre. I think The Who was more influential on the Grunge movement than both Sabbath and Zep. Just my opinion.
Ya know Chet I almost mentioned the Who along with Neil Young, and It slipped my mind! Good call! 👌🏆❤
Led Zep
Black Sabbath
Deep Purple
Well that is true the Black Sabbath is
I Like this 3 Bands but Deep Purple is mine prefer . Led Zeppelin or BlacK Sabbath come behind after but they are the best in their genre . I love as three bands ! Ritchie Blackmore is e was one Genio !
I was a fan of all three
They were taking about heavy metal i thought...? So in that case the answer is indeed Sabbath...
Deep Purple was a FAR better band than those others especially LIVE and with songwriting.