1873 Winchester Spinner Challenge
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
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In this video, Sinistral RIfleman and I attempt to spin the spinner with the historic and venerable 1873 Winchester lever action rifle.
Russell is so good that the spinner swings before he even pulls the trigger.......
Freaky
Ha he strikes fear in the heart of spinners everywhere.
He used the Force.
and here I thought my connection was lagging...
It flinched!
Damn dude, Karl straight up bout to rally 'round the family.
I came looking and you didn't disappoint 👍
I came here to say this, but I knew in my heart it had already been said.
@@AlexLee-dc2vb Old Rage Against the Machine lyrics from. . .2001ish?
@@AlexLee-dc2vb Its a refference to the song "Bulls on Parade" by Rage Against the Machine. Karl mentions he has a "pocket full of shells" which is a line in the song. "rally round the family" is the first part of that line.
Im still puzzles that the video stayed 2 hours online without someone making this exact comment.
RALLY ROUND THE SPINNER…with a pocket full of shells
My exact thought.
Karl’s pocket is a high capacity magazine 🤣
Unlimited* :)
Banned in California.
I'd steal his pants because of these pockets
Nice. So Washington state is about to ban my pants.
@@DK-gy7ll Your pants have been illegal in the U.K. since 1997
Sinister Rifleman must be some kind of magician. The bullet hits the target before fired 🤣
The lag on the second spin was trippy
I thing whole shooting was lagged litlle bit 3 first shots looks strange:)
nah, sinister godgunman is just that good. the target gets hit before he shoots!
That wasn't lag. He's just that good.
Spinning it with sheer force of will
No lag - Sinistral RIfleman is obviously psychokinetic.
Absolutely love lever gun content, they're just fascinating and fun. I'd argue that a pistol caliber lever gun with a red dot is one or two clicks less obsolescent than a bolt action, whatever a click means in that context.
It would be interesting if you would show what type of firearm the average person had for the last few hundred years. Maybe talk about be advantages each generation of weapons had over those before it. Great Episode. It's nice that Karl has a standard capacity pocket, I've heard some states are trying to limit how many and how deep those can be.
hahaha @ pocket regulation
Hickok did some videos like that I think
Don't give them any ideas. In the 90s there were proposals to ban the sale and procession of any tool or device that could be used to modify a firearm. Starting with files and hacksaws.
@@Preussenpenner Thanks. I'll look for them.
Karl cycling the gun super fast after each shot is very satisfying to watch and listen to
You've tried this with muzzle loaders and now you've tried this with an early repeater. I'd love to see if you could do this with an in-between, a breech-loading single shot rifle.
Based on the past videos of Karl shooting a trapdoor, I don't think he would have a problem spinning that target. He's pretty darn quick.
What would be interesting is seeing someone like Russell (who has likely never even shot one) attempt it.
I wish I had a spinner to try this with. I have a Trapdoor I’d like to see how I could do.
Yes, please.
The Chieftain shows up with the M50 Sherman from Battlefield Vegas. "Uhmmm, what spinner. Single shot. Breech loaded.
@@samhouston1288
Or possibly a Werder. When test by the Bavarian army in the late 1860s it was capable in skilled hands of around 24 rounds per minute.
but did you rally round the family?
These lever gun videos never cease to entertain me
Love it! Karl laying down some great historical details about the cartridge @ ~0:35, Russell's "Huh." 🤣❤🤣 Keep on rockin, boys! Rekindles great memories of an old Marlin .30-30.
4:28 I believe all the black powder loads were maxed to fill the cases to stop bullet set back. The high velocity loads came later with the advent of smokeless loads. These HV loads were to be strictly used in Winchester 92s, Marlin 94s, and single shots. The revolvers and 1873s of the day just couldn't take it.
Blackpowder cartridges need to be loaded to the max because air space in a blackpowder cartridge is dangerous. The cartridge has to be loaded so that all the space is filled up with powder, or some forms of filler. You even want the bullet to compress the powder somewhat. Bullet set back should not be an issue.
On the HV loads, believe it or not, if you look at some of the origional boxes for it, some do actually list the 73' as being safe for the ammo. Would I recommend that today? Probably not, but they apparently did back then.
Black powder cases were filled to the max because any less was a weak load. Modern day cowboy action shooters use fillers in reduced loads to speed up the shooting. Black powder works best with a slight compression. Air space in a reduced load produces inconsistent velocities but isnt as dangerous as large air space with smokeless powder.
These lever actions are amazing in every sense. Truly great guns even today.
I'm curious how many 10/22s firing at the same time it would take to flip the Spinner.
I’ve spun a spinner at 15 yards with a single 10/22 and about 28 rounds
Probably more than could safely fit in line to hit the target.
When I shot Gallery Rifle at university I always found the buckhorn sights on Winchesters a right pain, especially in dim light. Really hoping to get back into GR competition soon.
thought i dug up one of the old lever action vids, but no, this is new stuff! also the laggy vid is kinda trippy, like seeing someone go down before you hear the shot
THEY RALLY ROUND THE FAMILY…
damn this looks like a rifle you could load on sunday and shoot all week.
love it when you show off old lever guns and revolvers
I agree; the lever gun was the "assault weapon" of the day for a long time.
I'd love to see the effect of this type of ammunition in ballistics gel compared to modern ammo.
Think 45 acp
When Sinister was shootin the out of synch video was really weird. Spinner is moving then he shoots! It jumped out of fear! 🤣
"Rally round the family" Karl! 🤘
thanks for the great video , i love lever guns! inrangetv is always a joy to watch
With all those shells in yer pocket, surprised there aren't any bulls on parade around
That damn Yankee rifle that you load on Monday and keep spinning the spinner through Sunday.
As soon as you did the muzzleloaders I couldn't wait until the lever gun.
The proper sights were available when the gun was originally made.
A tang mounted Peep and a nice bold front sight is all you need. Get a fold down barrel mounted sight and then you’d have both options to fit the circumstances.
"Rally round the family, with a pocket full of shells!"
Hi Carl, a respectful spirit analysis, my impression of the possible EVP spirit audio in the video recording, video speed set to 0.25x:
1:05 'Velocity', 1:06 'Den svier, når den rammer' ('It stings when it hits'), 1:07 'Positively', 1:08 'Det er stadigvæk..' ('It is still..'), 1:10 'Et godt gevær' ('A good rifle'), 1:12 'Et flot gevær' ('A good looking rifle'), 1:14 'Det er os, der er sagen' ('It's us who are the examples'), 1:16 'Det er os, der passer de gamle geværer' ('It's us who take care of the old rifles'), 1:18 'Historical..', 1:19 '.. shooting'.
Sinister Rifleman:
2:18 'Barrel length is good', 2:22 'Geværet, det er dejligt at skyde med' ('The rifle, it's a pleasure to shoot'), 2:24 'Det er dejligt at ramme noget, der drejer rundt' ('It's nice to hit something that turns'), 2:26 'Det var også til glæde for indianerne' ('It was also to the delight of the Native Americans'), 2:29 'Det var ikke kun til glæde for den hvide mand' ('It was not only for the pleasure of the white man'), 2:31 'Det var ikke umuligt for dem at få fat i en Winchester' ('It wasn't impossible for them to get hold of a Winchester'), 2:34 'Det var det ikke' ('It was not'), 2:35 'For der var nogen, der solgte til alle, der havde noget at handle med' ('For there were someone who sold to everyone who had something to trade').
Carl, second turn:
2:45 'Paradisiske Amerika' ('The paradise of America'), 2:48 'Bare det ikke går i stykker' ('As long as it doesn't break'), 2:50 'Der er altid nogen, der vil ødelægge' ('There are always some who want to destroy'), 2:52 'Vi hader dem, der vil ødelægge' ('We hate those who want to destroy'), 2:54 'Det er ligemeget, hvem Helvede de er' ('No matter who the Hell they are'), 2:56 'De skal ikke ødelægge mit land' ('They shall not destroy my country'), 2:59 'Det sværger jeg ved alt, hvad der er helligt' ('I swear by everything that is holy').
Thank you
The Völve
Karl nice work as usual. You guys make it look fun in that heat.
I see Russell and now I’m thinking polymer level gun. Folding stock, red dot, flash hider, and how about that tube thing. When it’s empty pop it off and slap a full one on. Like a mag change. All polymer of course…
there is another reason besides the tiny rim of the 45 colt they didn’t use it in a rifle. the three common cases, 32/20,38/40 and 44/40, all have tapered cases. on extraction with fouling the tapered case will be free of the chamber at at the first small amount of movement whereas the straight wall 45 colt will drag in the chamber the whole length of the case.
Rally round the family
I got 2 1873s. One in 45 colt and the other in 44-40. Also got an 1866 in 44-40. Love the old toggle links... Sounds clunky, but very smooth and fast. My 45 colt has a short stroke kit... Thing is capable of running faster then i can run it.
You should try this with a pump-action rifle in 44mag (or 357). VERY sweet shooting guns. Not sure why there aren't more of them.
Yeah, I agree 100%
ive got a feeling Karl has done some cowboy action. fast hands there.
It would be fun to see a lever-action vs bolt-action comparison, if you can get some in the same calibre.
Well you can definitely get lever action.357 magnums and Ruger made the .357/77 bolt action in it too.
Bolt gun in .308 and a Savage M-99 in .308.
This is my go to rifle to defend my animals from predators. My AR is loud and the long colt is perfect with a small hand light in my support hand.
Love the channel, always very interesting and informative. Thank you
2:21 when the doom music hits but it is being played on a acoustic guitar.
I just love lever guns. So goddamn cool.
Hey guys, look it's another scambot! Don't contact these numbers, they will steal your money!
Good stuff, I think we need to have lever and single action 6 shot brutality.
Speaking of modernized leverguns, I would love it if someone would develop a faster higher capacity loading system for them. I know it's blasphemy buy if someone sold a toggle locked lever action rifle in 9mm that took 33 round glock magazines and could easily mount a small red dot sight I would totally buy one. Most of the "modernized" lever actions on the market now are mechanically identical to historical lever guns just with fiber optic sights, a polymer stock, a parkerized finish on the metal, and usually they are in 30-30 or some other full powered rifle cartridge that doesn't have much capacity; that's cool and all but doesn't really seem truly modernized to me, in my view in order to be truly modern it needs to be able to accept modern optics, be in an intermediate rifle or modern pistol caliber, and have a faster method of reloading than the kings gate. I would love to hear other people's opinions on this. Thanks for the video Karl, it was excellent as always.
There's an ungodly abomination lever-action AR15. The "Red Ryd-AR" by BrickWurX. It looks like a horrible fever dream from an alternate universe, but it works.
There's also a 9mm lever-action AR that uses Glock mags, by Southern Gun Co, in the UK
Except the modernized lever gun's primary advantage is that you can buy them where that Glock mag is illegal.
@@Devin_Stromgren I feel that even if limited to 10-round glock mags it would still be an improvement, most modern lever guns hold around10 rounds anyways if they are pistol caliber, but you would still be able to reload much faster than a kings gate.
There is always the browning BLR it can be had in 223 and uses detachable box magazines. I don't see why you couldn't make an extended 20 or 30 round mag for it.
@@mgkleym That was my first thought as well but after looking into it I found some problems. The lever on the BLR and long ranger goes too far forward and would get in the way of a box magazine, you would have to make a short stroke kit to go with it and I don't know how that would work with the rack and pinion bolt. Also the rack and pinion lever guns like the BLR and the long ranger are notoriously difficult to disassemble/reassemble for cleaning, if I am going to have a lever gun that can fire more rounds than I would like it to be easy to clean.
Love the '73. .357 as fast as I can flip the lever...just never as fast as the fast guys at the match.
Something interesting, plus a comment for the algorithm. At Fort Donelson in the American Civil War, the Union used 1860 Henry's as sharp shooter rifles. This account can be found in a book called Hearts Touched by Fire.
The 30-30 is in the same ballistic ballpark as the 7.62x39. Probably killed more feral pigs in my neck of the woods than any other cartridge. The lever gun is still a viable platform, especially in places where semi’s are restricted.
Thank you.
lever guns were used by several militaries, the Indians used them to defeat Custer, the Turks used them to defeat the Russians the English Italians and Russians used them during ww1, it is as much a useful weapon today as a STEN, and they have been in my lifetime the weapon Law enforcement regrets to face, because most loads are hunting.
Still wanting a .357 vs 10mm comparison on the spinner, please! I'm a 10mm fanboy and I would like to see how it would work against the dreaded spinner. Thanks!
Excellent
Shells, heh....it's not "Sabotage" but it sure as hell is "Classical" 🖖
Marlin making a moder version of the 1985 lever action. You should try that one out too.
oops, the spinner footage on the second attempt is slightly out of sync. If you didnt notice it, you will now lol
I’d like to see a vs against a trapdoor Springfield. It’d be interesting to se which would spin first
What happened to your Miroku Winchester 1873?
I know it was mostly for the sake of the reference, but is the advantage of an ammo belt that it protects the cartridges from minor damage jostling together in a pocket or pouch?
Pocket full of shells out the sky golden arms
Well dang, now I've got to go get a spinner target of my own to do that. Still looking for an 1873 rifle in 45 lc, while I love my Navy Arms 1873 carbine in 44 wcf, I would really like to be able to take it and my 1860 army conversion in 45 lc camping and have the same rounds. My son once goofed and dropped a 44wcf into his 1873 colt in 45 lc and the results weren't pretty. Nothing bad, just had to pull the cylinder to get the now ruined, VERY expensive 44 wcf shell out.
They rally round the spinner
with a pocket full of shells
Great video
Was that a RATM reference in the beginning? xD
Never get tired of seeing that spinner get degreased. :)
4:00 music to my ears
Damn using brand name brake cleaner spray on the spinner. $$$
Worth it
Took me back to the 5th grade with some RATM 🇺🇲🦅🤠
Beautiful gun. Yeah yeah, good shootin', interesting result and such but damn! that is a good-looking rifle. Was the gun re-chambered for 45Colt, or has something changed in the dimensioning of the cartridge rim that allows it to function in the .44-40 gun?
Karl, could you please explain why you like th3 73 better than the 92?
30 Super Carry would be cool!
Yep, Karl. Why the US Army never adopted a lever gun ? Also, I noted your channel title graphic has changed, from the classic AR15, to the WWSD. Keeping it fresh.
Fragility and cost, both the cost of the gun and the ammo.
Soldiers would fire their ammo too fast
They did, for cavalry. If you mean why not a smokeless one? Bolt actions are better in a military context. They are much easier to make idiot proof, have fewer moving parts, are cheaper.
My favorite response to the assault rifle argument on twitter is to the British the Kentucky long rifle was an assault weapon.
All about perspective.
Blunderbuss spinner challenge next!
When I first saw the title I was like " how is this even a challenge?"
can't wait for TG to do her modernization
150 years, still ready to clap.
Jimmy Stewart over here with his Winchester '73!
yeah Levers are always cool :)
Great stuff, love lever action rifles!
Thanks for the great content.
A lever gun holds 13 .45 long colt cartridges. The same lever gun chambered in 10mm would hold 16 cartridges.. THAT would be a formidable piece of work. I wonder if anyone has thought of making one like that.. or do Semi Auto cartridges have issues? Yes, I know, they have no rim... but that could be worked around... right?
High capacity pockets? *California passes new law banning pants*
Now Karl just needs Mad Pig Customs to send him something.
Awesome as always
A good video. That rifle just works.
I'd rather have a lever action rifle than a bolt action. With a decent set of sights, it's very competitive.
Next spinner challenge: rock throwing
I’d love to have a burger and a beer with Karl and Russell
Had a rossi 92 16inch 38/357 with the XL lever loop
Sold to a buddy........I still cry myself to sleep.....😥😢😭😭😭😢😥😥😥
Pocket shells... sha sha sha.
I’d love to see a Mosin Nagant on the spinner challenge
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That's probably my next rifle. I love them.
idk, after the reloading gag, having the two images out of sync when Russell shoots makes this a strangely disorienting video. Perhaps the idea is that the lever gun is not out of date, so we need to rethink our ideas of temporal relationships?
Russel and Karl are different from Ian and Karl. but all three of them would probably be a bit too much for us mere mortals to bear 😂
Man I’d love too see you guys do a skit of the alternate history of levergun adoption. One of you is the cranky general getting shoved in a closet or something.
Good sir, doth thou intend to rally 'round thine family?!
Russell-bot seems to be on brevity setting
Maybe this is a stupid question, but what happened to your Winchester-Miroku 1873? I can just tel from the wood that this is an Uberti.
I like a peep sight I think it would help you out