Great looking product. Will need a couple years of competition to bring the price down. A bolt on motor like this at about $500 would be the game changer. At $2750 not many will want to convert and just buy a decent ebike instead.
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Was all psyched for the idea of this until i saw the price tag: $2,750. That’s almost the cost of a surron which includes the bike instead of having to mod your own. Yeah there’s a weight difference but you get a pre-built kit vs a DIY
@@richardthibert3222 nah. Would rather go the bafang route or just straight up buy a surron. Why invest in one bike when you can own two which each has their own separate purposes?
I payed $4500 for my e-bike, including a very good bike and battery.... I would never consider this, not to mention that the motor is to powerful and it would have to be registered as a motorbike in Norway. That makes it useless as a MTB as motorbikes are not allowed to go off-road expect on approved tracks (very few around, and not made for MTBs)... For modifying a bike to a daily commuter motorbike on the other hand, this could be a good product.
For about a thousand dollars a friend of mine converted his fat tire bike into a monster machine. I was almost terrified riding it at 49 mph, that was as fast as I dared to go. He even has a pouch with a fan and intake and exhaust ports to keep the battery cool during the summer heat. Essentially, 3,000 dollars is way too much for a conversion.
i have been running paradox kinetics on my bikes for 3 years and its crazy fun and reliable... and when you learn how to combine pedalling and throttle control, you will be riding like a pro!
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Thank you so much! I've been looking for a conversion kit and didn't love the idea of mounting the motor to my front wheel. Even the rear wheel design doesn't allow you to use the gears on the bike, it puts all the work on the engine.
Yeah let me make my bottom bracket 5" lower so I can get launched over the bars when it clips a rock or tree trunk. Also wouldn't the constant tourqe on the motor cause the mounts on the bash guard mounts to pull out of the frame?
I thought that the motor was low at first too but then i realised the motor sits higher than the bottom of the front chainring so you'd catch that first. Also if that motor deforms your bash guard mounts your frame is made from cheese or chinesium and you really should upgrade haha
@@minners71 im stealing that CHINESIUM BRILLANT wish i i thought of it lmfao..!!!! wat about "chino fiber " stuff is awesome (when it shatters like fireworks lmfao !!
1. Your 12 speeed drivetrain is gonna LOVE 1500 W running through it lol. Looks like there's no shift sensor to cut power during shifts either. While you're throwing stupid amounts of money around , buy a ten pack of chains and cassettes ! BTW , 1500 watts is overkill. 1000 is excessive. 500 is enough for "normal" riding 2. Battery in a backpack is a pain in the ass. But better than bolting it to a bottle cage mount on a carbon frame designed to hold less than 1kg I guess. 3. Thats noisy AF. And way too expensive.
@@CrazyStranger11 mine is 1500 watts. as long as you aren't riding it like an idiot cops generally won't know or even care. As for OP saying 1500 watts is overkill, no its really not because I enjoy being able to go 40-50 mph when no one is around.
Based on what I'm seeing and the lack of pricing info on the website, I believe I'll stick to the BBSHD that I originally planned on for my upcoming eBike project, it's not that much heavier, it seems to have more torque, it tops out much faster, and you have a full infographic display of your choice that tells you how fast you're going, how much power it's using, what assist mode it's in, and more, among other things. A speedo is required by law for street eBiking as well, so that's a must given that I plan to use it for that purpose as well as trail and path riding. Overall, even the installation procedure for the BBSHD makes more sense to me than the whole "choose your hole" process that the dude had to explain, you stick it in, put the torque plate on, put lock nut on, position and tighten, put top nut on, reassemble crank arms, done.
@@muzzaball That is... *very* expensive compared to other DIY eBike kits, of both hub- and mid-drive type. Let's just say, at that price, you can get hubs rated for well over 5kW, and mid drive kits powerful enough to cost that much don't even seem to exist, unless you overdrive the very popular Bafeng BBSHD, which is known for being very able to handle way more than what it's rated to, and still doesn't cost near that much. I think I'm happy with my 500W hubkit, whole thing, battery included, cost about $925 after shipping, and it gets me around town as well as down biking trails, even has enough power to lose grip and kick out on me if I touch it wrong, which has thrown me off more times than I'd like to admit, especially on loose gravel. Based on the installatiom demonstration and the price, this kit is far from being easy enough to install compared to other mid-drives to justify its price.
When you're out on a ride and the battery dies does it disengage and just become a normal gear or are you fighting the motor to Pedal when there's no battery
you don't want center drive anyway, because you would still be pedaling to work. even worse you would be pedaling home. center drive is great for the sport uses of ebikes and the exercize uses, but for commuting unless you want to pedal home or spend a whole bunch more money on a mid drive that works with a "throttle" it isn't as much of a commuting advantage as a rear hub motor.
Well I paid $1600 for a radwagon electric and the amount I've saved on fuel cost, insurance, repair costs and registration has paid for the bike already in less than a year. Only issues I have are the same with all bikes, regular and electric. To much maintenance: tighten the spokes, true the wheel, adjust the brakes, fix the tires. Why? because everything is built from "make it lighter" thinking. So spokes are to light, brakes wear out way to fast, tires are to thin. But in spite of that, I'm not going back to driving a car unless absolutely necessary, because biking is the best way to travel.
@@kght222 lol your in every ebike video trying to push throttled mopeds! People who want throttles don't acutally want to ride a bike. They want a moped they dont have to insure. Pedal assist is for those that like to ride but also lke the help on steep hills and bad weather.
Considering how much I spend on gas in a month I'm thinking 20 minute commute instead of 10. I can do that. I'm thinking on it. 50.oo every 2 weeks the pay back would be quick.
@@ParadoxKinetics please can i have one of you old ones my bikes 30 year old 🇱🇷USA made i don’t mind old battered check it out its on my channel. I’m from UK, want to do camping videos this summer need ebike cant afford would be a massive help thanks for reply too👍👍🖖🖖
@@kinn1647 very cool bike, coyote to hardtail!!! vintage. I wish I had used motors around to sell at lower prices, but we dont even have a single loose screw lying around these days. we're taking orders for june now... If you do make a video and it goes even partly as well as Mike Fede's then we will refund the whole kit.
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Different weight classes for different use: Moto / motocross: 110 kg Pedal trail bike: 13kg common factory eMTB: 21 kg Paradox with battery: 20 kg Paradox bike-only: 16 kg
I'd definitely consider getting this if it was about £750 cheaper.. maybe even £500 cheaper. Unfortunately I don't think it would be wise to spend more on a motor and battery than what my bike cost it's self 😂 cool product though! I'll be sure to check in when the sales are on 🤞😂
I convert my MTB with a hub motor kit but this is way simpler and lighter. Too bad it's much more expensive. That said, e-bikes are great. I logged more than 10,000km on mine.
Like the concept and I'm sure the prices will come down. On a side note that looks to be a meadow park preserve. Might want to find another place to blast a new trail though. Or not.
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Never @ almost $3000. That is insane. I see the housing and the motor and I say no way. I can appreciate the engineering and ingenuity but there is nothing there worth $3k. They are out of their minds. The company will not survive with those prices.
Common sense 101, If a person can buy a brand new good quality motorcycle like a Honda NC750X for $8,000 there's no way in hell any Mountain bike or any 1500w e-bike should be near $7,000 unless it's made out of gold,platinum,etc......Yes a $7,000 MTN bike is going to be way better than a $250 Schwinn Boundary. But it's no where $6750 better, if people quit paying stupid high prices for name brand bikes. They'd be surprised how fast these $8,000 name brand bikes start selling for $2,000 and $3,000.
@@michaelbrinks8089 I just bought a Magnum Summit and didn't have to deface my light weight Trek daily ride to get one, $2350 and it's ready to go, so far I absolutely love it as well as my classic carbon fiber Y Foil I can still use
@@michaelbrinks8089 - Amen to that, not exactly to the level I was taking it but still the same. If a whole bike costs $250-500, then why does any part cost more to upgrade? Also, to your point, since when are people stupid enough to pay more for a bike than a good used car or motorcycle. If people wake up and stop paying dumb prices, companies will adjust.
@@vmoutsop Like when you compare everything overall required to build a 2020 $8,500 Honda NC750X motorcycle VS an $8,500 MTN bike there's no way in hell any MTN bike should cost $5,000-$10,000...You need- #1 way more raw materials, much of it being aluminum alloy, chome molly steel,etc..#2 It's incredibly more complex to build. You need way more large very expensive tools/machinery to manufacture the parts and way more tools.#3 Needs way more factory space #4 Needs way more employees. The list goes on and on, yet there are still many people who lack common sense and think these bike companies have to charge $5,000 in order to turn a worthwhile profit.....A cheap Chinese 250cc dual sport motorcycle can be bought for $1,600... It's of low quality but simple to work on and with another $500-$1,000 in parts can be a really decent brand new motorcycle for $2,000 - $2,600
So, is this actually a product available for purchase? Why is it so difficult to get pricing? Looks like a good product, but if I can't pricing info, or even the product itself, well...good luck...
So the US distributor (Emtbnorth) got back to me with a price... $2750(with battery) + $60 shipping. I'll just keep pedaling for now. Seems a little pricey.
The price is on our website too, that one is for a lighter/smaller battery. paradoxkinetics.com/hermes EmtbNorth is indeed an official US Distributor. What other info could you not find aside from pricing? Its on our website which is linked in the description.
When you take a video about something like a motor install we out here really don’t give a damn about glasses, beards, hats,etc. It would be really nice if we got a good look at what was in the BOX!
I can see why it is what it is. Can you guys make just the housing to drop in bufang motor in? Also would be nice if it could be located inside the triangle... anyone try to put a motorcycle transmission on a bike? 😆
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This is really cool stuff but almost 3K for this 1500w motor which is illegal for road use. Anything over 250watts becomes a motorized vehicle and must be not faster the 20 kmph. Also insured and the driver must be licensed. How do you address that issue?
I watched a vi yesterday where a college engineer student built this and what he discovered in his tests was that the hub motors were a bit superior to his (drone motor) bike. It got good speed. I think he claimed it hit 42mph but the hub motor bike his friend had did slightly better on take off speed. I also heard those hub motors batteries get recharged when you pedal. Is this how this system's battery works too? Pedaling will charge the battery, or no?
@@youngfinance6319 1/3 the price of an equivalent good electric downhill bike. And compatible with standardized batteries, so after many years, the replacement batteries are also 1/2 the price. Some frame-specific batteries wont even be available in the future (proprietary)
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So this can be used as pedal assist or a throttle? But pedal assist is legal on trails and throttle is not? Can you just set it up as a legal EMTB with pedal assist only?
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As a rule if they don’t list MSRP, I will not look any further. Sell me on the reason it is expensive, but don’t put me on another freakin mailing list with that “if ya gotta...” sales pitch.
I decided to ask. And filled out their form. The reply I initially got was more towards my bikes and which one was my favorite. With absolutely no price of their kit. I had to send yet another reply asking specifically for the price. It really seemed like they didn't want to give me a price, otherwise it would have been included in my inquiry. That said, it is $2400 including their $200 holiday promotional discount and less their $100 installation assistance fee because I am able to do it myself. Seems a bit steep if you ask me. There are quite a few videos on UA-cam showcasing absolutely nothing in regards to the specs of the motor kit. Only people riding downhill on bikes with it installed. Which shows me nothing all.
@@kenreynolds1000 We have never had a mailing list, mass emailed people, and never will. If someone doesn't understand why its expensive on the face of the issue, then why would they look any further? It doesn't make sense. We do sell people on the reasons it is expensive, its light, high power, and made for MTB(tough). The lightest 1500W continuous mid-drive in the world. This info is all over our website.
It's very cool and I really really want one but it's far out of my price range. I build entire MTB/BMX hybrid ebikes for about the cost of that kit. I use 48V hub motors (1000W - 2000W) I usually build a new bike every year. I don't necessarily use cheap parts either. I use my bikes for every day transport. They're built to be reliable.
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1500 watts continuous? That would be illegal in Europe. Thats why all the other brands are limited to 250 watts continuous. Allthough I like the Idea, I am a bit puzzled by the price and the extra weight with no additional adaptations to the bike. Regular E-bikes come with a lot of reinforcements compared to the lightweight "Analog"bikes. Very interested in how long term experience will be.
It's not illegal... You can't use it just in the traffic. As long you don't cut the poweroutcome down. Greetings from germany, the worst country for ebikes wuhuu 😂
@@sokol7215 No you can't. Germany has very strct rules and legislation about it. 250 continous. point. In traffic this kind of bike would be prone to motorbike legislation. What you want to do in your own forrest is free, but not in road and public space usage. If you want to use it intraffic, one must follow a strict protocol to have it made road legal. This you must know.
@@sokol7215 If you want to play it that way; Learn to speak English.. "Poweroutcome" is not an english word. So. I had to guess what you meant. I was respectfull and wish to be treated the same way. If one does not cut the "poweroutcome", it will use 1500 watts. That's illegal in any sense. Germany, Netherlands our any western european country.
Cool but very expensive. For a lot less than its EU price I got an entire 140-150mm full-sus Voodoo (UK) ebike with Shimano E7000 system shipped to my house. It is the cheapest of all the 4 ebike I've owned and maybe the best(in my videos). I'm still looking for a small and low-power bolt-on motor for my kid's 16" mtb, so that she could keep up with us uphill. Not enough demand I guess.
There's not going to be too much demand at that price, bear in mind you still have to factor in the cost of a battery pack and some sort of controller. Great idea, but not good value unfortunately.
it would be nice if they had prices you didnt need to give your information to get. I dont mountain bike but am looking for a quiet way around campgrounds at night, needing to get a "quote" tells me it probably costs more than my entire camping rig
The prices are right on the product page on our website, and in a pinned comment at the top of this comment section. If your looking for to bike around a campground this may not be for you. @peglor - the quote form doesnt even require a name! only require 2 things for quotes: email and country, everything else is optional. UA-cam probably collected more data on us in the time it takes to watch and comment on this video.
For $2000 less, i think 1000’s of would be e-bike customers would purchase this instead. It’s a really creative, unique solution that allows riders to keep the bike they love. That price tag just makes this a non-option for a big portion of the small e-bike consumer pool. Fuck, I could get a nice moped for that kind of money.
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I am surprised that the evokes are functional in the winter how cold is out there. I heard as it gets colder the battery does not perform. Now you have to find a way to keep the battery insulated and warm. I live in Toronto Canada I am acceptable on all ebikes.
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Buy a bafang bbshd they are £920 for a 1600w (peek) for the complete kit and they run quieter and smoother than that £3000 motor the bafang also has 160nm of torque standard and I got mine up to a impressive 49mph so in my opinion mate it’s a cool option it also spins up to 15,000rpms and even when I Rev it high and take it for speed runs and long rides the motor is still at a good temperature. It’s just a very underrated motor. 😎👍🏻👍🏻
Just did my conversion with bbshd... clocked 26mph on first run... heavy fat tire bike and 200+ lb rider... entire setup under $1700 including the bike. And i think i could have done it $300 cheaper with another motor which was unavailable at the time...
Nice motor and kit, only problem is the price point $2,750, that's not counting what you've already paid to buy/build your mountain bike, that is pretty costly in my book, especially when you realize that you can buy an already built E-bike for $2,599.00, I'm talking about the Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra on Bolton E-bike's website and it has
The motor side plates are 7075 Aluminum which can't be used to make bike frames because it can't be welded. Only machined. We make these in EU, while 99% of conversions are made in asia.
and factory ebikes have the motor even lower! pic: imgur.com/a/T5hPHVB thats why we designed the Paradox motor to tuck up to the downtube, it 'hugs' it. So on most frames its infront of the BB. Added to that is the tough carbon shell, aluminum reinforced, and machined aircraft aluminum sideplates which can take massive drops, being 4mm thick each
I have the exact same bike as you, even the color scheme. I'm curious to know how this motor placement will affect bottoming out? Have you tried climbing anything chunky with this? Pedal strikes wouldn't really be a concern with the throttle, but slamming that gorgeous motor against the jagged rocks out here would make me cry.
Yeah its always scary to ride any new MTB or eMTB system, but that's what they're built for. Thats true what you say about pedal strikes, few realize what a problem this is when you only have pedal assist and need to climb. On most frames the motor sits higher, even on this frame it sits higher than factory eMTBs. The case is aluminum reinforced carbon sheet and the side plates are 4mm thick machined aircraft aluminum so nothing is going to stop it working. We offering a new skid plate for keeping it pretty
That’s sick!! I plan to put on the wireless eagle shifter and dropper to clean up the front end soon. I haven’t tried any chunky climbs with rocks or anything yet but I will be taking it out this week. I’m going to see the clearance on drops too. I’ll be mounting a camera on my down tube looking at it. 🤘🏽
Around here in VT I'm always bashing my chainring and bottom bracket off stuff. I feel like that motor would be trashed in a heartbeat... At least on my bike.
@@rpiian why dont we try it in the spring? If you want to go for a ride, I'll follow. In the meantime I'll around Mount Snow at the end of Jan for some FS fatbiking - maybe some toughness testing can be made of that. What do you say?? The kit comes with effectively a bashguard, and skid plates can easily be added to fully protect the motor. On most bikes this motor sits several inches higher than the motors on factory e-mountain bikes, that have less sturdy cases, and very expensive frames that would have to be replaced if dented. Frames dent much more easily, and our system could be transfered to the next mountain bike in the garage, or a used frame could be bought at very low cost to a new replacement factory e-MTB frame, where the motor battery and frame are not compatible with anything that doesnt come from the manufacturer.
@@ParadoxKinetics I'd be down, though my free time is usually lunch on a weekday... :P The more I think about it though, I'm not sure what the policy is on e-bikes around here. There's some approved places like Bolton Valley (actually would be a great test - that place is insane) but where I ride I haven't heard one way or the other. Maybe don't ask don't tell...
The motor sitting below the bottom bracket on a bike meant to go off road is a bad idea. First time you hit a rock or log, that motor housing will be toast and you'll go over the bars.
I have the lightning rods 3000 watt mid Drive on my mountain bike with a 72v 14ah battery. It's a beast. That's 3000w continuous with 6000w peak. It's sh*t ton of fun. You should check out the lightning rods mid-drive setups they got up to 12kw of power.
Although the motor and crank maybe for e-bikes the rest of the components on a regular bike weren't designed for the high torque of a 1,500W motor, for example the chain, the cassette, brake system all will wear out prematurely if not break and you'll end up spending more to repair. Do yourself a favor and get an e-bike with quality components, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches in the long run.
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Oooooo.... 1.5 kilowatt. Maybe I can backpack a pair of 48V15Ah in parallel with some power management... nahh, I gotta stay on the street @500w and be legal. "What's in the backpack, SIR?"
This motor sounds like it's got serious power.... I am curious about the voltage of the battery, top speed and torque rating. Nice build Mike... You are going to love this compared to the Ariel, I can already tell. 😁
The trouble with any ebike over about 400w is that the gearing is a compromise between what the motor requires & what the peddler requires. With a single driveline at that sort of power, all the peddling does is flick a switch on the motor, it adds nothing to the power. Really to do this properly one needs 2 drive lines, one on each side. The drive for the peddler will need gearing for both when the the motor is running & the battery is flat meany a really wide range. Where as on the other side one just needs 3 really low gears so the motor really revs, well unless it’s geared down significantly already. They like that. So a take off, intermediate & drive, plus maybe a overdrive for high speed cruising speed.
Paradox: A statement that, despite apparently valid reasoning from true premises, leads to a seemingly self contradictory or logically unacceptable conclusion. Kinda like trying to convince people to spend thousands of dollars pitching your product while standing in some random parking lot in the middle of winter! Not what you'd call confidence inspiring.
How fast till overheat for 250lb rider full throttle 100% time. 1500w continuous ain't 1500w continuous if it overheat fast I can take bbs02 bafang and make 1500w continuous but it heat up fast.
ISCG is not required, we mount to no-ISCG bikes all the time, just because the bracket has slots for it, doesn't mean you have to use them. Why do you keep making things up all over the comments here? wrong numbers, wrong specs, criticism Nate P has been commenting all false info up and down this comment section. I dont know, but its probably not a coincidence everything he writes about Paradox is falso or misleading.
@@ParadoxKinetics but without the mount what is to keep the motors torque from pulling the entire motor downwards? Because the motor spins clockwise, pulling it downwards.
@@npickart the torque pushes the motor upwards. Look at it again. we are a small business/manufacturer. The only ones making mid-drives to fit any bike outside of asia. Why are you going posting lies and making things up all over this comment section? After lying in an email to us first - im sorry I didnt cut to the chase faster, i responded to your email in a rush and, i've been tight for time, I dont get it, why? you work for a competitor? If want more info on how it works, just ask me.i dont get it. I'll paste my response to the price quoting system here so you see it all in one place: A 20-country/currency multi-language international eCommerce website would cost a fortune build an maintain. As for just listing the price, each country has - not just different shipping costs - each country has different import taxes, battery availability(batteries can't be shipped normally by air), sales taxes (vary from 0% to 24%!!), etc etc. THEN customers get even more mad when another country is getting a lower price, because the costomers country charges an insane 22 - 24% sales tax! Bafang (BBSHD) is a large company, like all companies in China, they have had, or have the insurance of getting heaps of no-interest loans from the 'the govt'/CCP who also devalue chinese currency which benefits them. IBBSHD may work on pavement/smooth trails/ light trails but If you hit a rock at speed on that low hanging motor case, it will crack, cast metal is brittle. Thats why we use machined metal. There are a few others, but for that reason alone, BBSHD is not MTB.
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Great looking product. Will need a couple years of competition to bring the price down. A bolt on motor like this at about $500 would be the game changer. At $2750 not many will want to convert and just buy a decent ebike instead.
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@@AMC-eq3jr ... :D:D:D hahahah.... sigh
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no bro lmfao there is no "decent" stock ebike only those pussy ass 350w bosch carbon fiber for like 5k
For $2750 you can buy an entire E-bike
For $2750 you can buy an ebike that looks like a motorcycle
Was all psyched for the idea of this until i saw the price tag: $2,750. That’s almost the cost of a surron which includes the bike instead of having to mod your own. Yeah there’s a weight difference but you get a pre-built kit vs a DIY
indeed, could buy all kinds of awesome e-bikes for that money...
You will have the benefit to ride the trails with a $3k bash plate. Has you ride in rough terrain all you will think of, is not to hit the motor.
@@richardthibert3222 nah. Would rather go the bafang route or just straight up buy a surron. Why invest in one bike when you can own two which each has their own separate purposes?
You could buy a used gsxr600 for that money.
I payed $4500 for my e-bike, including a very good bike and battery.... I would never consider this, not to mention that the motor is to powerful and it would have to be registered as a motorbike in Norway. That makes it useless as a MTB as motorbikes are not allowed to go off-road expect on approved tracks (very few around, and not made for MTBs)... For modifying a bike to a daily commuter motorbike on the other hand, this could be a good product.
For about a thousand dollars a friend of mine converted his fat tire bike into a monster machine. I was almost terrified riding it at 49 mph, that was as fast as I dared to go. He even has a pouch with a fan and intake and exhaust ports to keep the battery cool during the summer heat. Essentially, 3,000 dollars is way too much for a conversion.
i have been running paradox kinetics on my bikes for 3 years and its crazy fun and reliable... and when you learn how to combine pedalling and throttle control, you will be riding like a pro!
🤜🤛 🤘🤘
How much did yours cost
@@Carmelov2012 if i remember well, around 2500 euros . depends where you live and what tax... better to check the site.
paradoxkinetics.com/hermes/
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Thank you so much! I've been looking for a conversion kit and didn't love the idea of mounting the motor to my front wheel. Even the rear wheel design doesn't allow you to use the gears on the bike, it puts all the work on the engine.
👍👍 we've put a lot of work into making every aspect well thought out for mountain biking and otherwise
You can put gears on rear hub motors, old school ones so 8 speed maybe 9 speed tops.
I use 7 speed and 6 speed on a few of mine.
You can tell these guys are really smart..Standing in the snow working on a bike. Genius!
Yeah let me make my bottom bracket 5" lower so I can get launched over the bars when it clips a rock or tree trunk. Also wouldn't the constant tourqe on the motor cause the mounts on the bash guard mounts to pull out of the frame?
I thought that the motor was low at first too but then i realised the motor sits higher than the bottom of the front chainring so you'd catch that first. Also if that motor deforms your bash guard mounts your frame is made from cheese or chinesium and you really should upgrade haha
Yup my thoughts exactly, you would leave the motor and bits of your frame on the first rock you went over
Lol. The chainring is much lower, effectively protecting the motor.
@@rdub-yah3880 Chinesium, I love it. :)
@@minners71 im stealing that CHINESIUM BRILLANT wish i i thought of it lmfao..!!!! wat about "chino fiber " stuff is awesome (when it shatters like fireworks lmfao !!
The product is at the price of a new bike, there is no way in the world I would buy this product.
Im really impressed it will spin the tire on ice.
Will it work on a 1999 Notia ti lifgtspeed full suspension bike titanium
1. Your 12 speeed drivetrain is gonna LOVE 1500 W running through it lol. Looks like there's no shift sensor to cut power during shifts either. While you're throwing stupid amounts of money around , buy a ten pack of chains and cassettes !
BTW , 1500 watts is overkill. 1000 is excessive. 500 is enough for "normal" riding
2. Battery in a backpack is a pain in the ass. But better than bolting it to a bottle cage mount on a carbon frame designed to hold less than 1kg I guess.
3. Thats noisy AF. And way too expensive.
Greater than 750 watts is road-illegal in most states.
@@CrazyStranger11 mine is 1500 watts. as long as you aren't riding it like an idiot cops generally won't know or even care. As for OP saying 1500 watts is overkill, no its really not because I enjoy being able to go 40-50 mph when no one is around.
Based on what I'm seeing and the lack of pricing info on the website, I believe I'll stick to the BBSHD that I originally planned on for my upcoming eBike project, it's not that much heavier, it seems to have more torque, it tops out much faster, and you have a full infographic display of your choice that tells you how fast you're going, how much power it's using, what assist mode it's in, and more, among other things. A speedo is required by law for street eBiking as well, so that's a must given that I plan to use it for that purpose as well as trail and path riding. Overall, even the installation procedure for the BBSHD makes more sense to me than the whole "choose your hole" process that the dude had to explain, you stick it in, put the torque plate on, put lock nut on, position and tighten, put top nut on, reassemble crank arms, done.
Didn't you see the discounted price of $2750?
@@muzzaball That is... *very* expensive compared to other DIY eBike kits, of both hub- and mid-drive type.
Let's just say, at that price, you can get hubs rated for well over 5kW, and mid drive kits powerful enough to cost that much don't even seem to exist, unless you overdrive the very popular Bafeng BBSHD, which is known for being very able to handle way more than what it's rated to, and still doesn't cost near that much.
I think I'm happy with my 500W hubkit, whole thing, battery included, cost about $925 after shipping, and it gets me around town as well as down biking trails, even has enough power to lose grip and kick out on me if I touch it wrong, which has thrown me off more times than I'd like to admit, especially on loose gravel. Based on the installatiom demonstration and the price, this kit is far from being easy enough to install compared to other mid-drives to justify its price.
Would be a perfect product if not cost almost 3k
Agreed! The cost is definitely prohibitive!
Try the bbshd! I have one and it's great and much cheaper.
Ok can you tell me where I can find a full suspension e bike for less than 3k?
cyc x1 pro, or cyc stealth, both have torque sensors much better than bafang , miles cheaper and better than this paradox
@@Roostsandboost M2S (mountain 2 sea)has one for $2200. Nice design. Or a 1500watt mid-motor for $3499.
Love it! Very satisfied!
My brother who is handicapped would love one put on his three wheel bicycle so he could ride again..
Sweet! We install 1500 watt mid-drive motors on Phattycycles mini bikes. Wheelie machines!
When you're out on a ride and the battery dies does it disengage and just become a normal gear or are you fighting the motor to Pedal when there's no battery
Yeah it disengages/freewheels, and has frictionless pedaling
I’ve been searching and waiting for this
I might actually do this
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@Matt Nass why so salty?
@@stereos182 these 2 guys must remind him how lonely he is
What a load of dogs wallop!!
1$ per watt would be thinkable. This price is crazy
This looks great and would consider for about 700 euros! With all the discounts on at the moment, you can get a decent EMTB for the same price!
for over 2k just for the kit.... I still gonna pedal to work a wayy to expensive
you don't want center drive anyway, because you would still be pedaling to work. even worse you would be pedaling home. center drive is great for the sport uses of ebikes and the exercize uses, but for commuting unless you want to pedal home or spend a whole bunch more money on a mid drive that works with a "throttle" it isn't as much of a commuting advantage as a rear hub motor.
Well I paid $1600 for a radwagon electric and the amount I've saved on fuel cost, insurance, repair costs and registration has paid for the bike already in less than a year. Only issues I have are the same with all bikes, regular and electric. To much maintenance: tighten the spokes, true the wheel, adjust the brakes, fix the tires. Why? because everything is built from "make it lighter" thinking. So spokes are to light, brakes wear out way to fast, tires are to thin. But in spite of that, I'm not going back to driving a car unless absolutely necessary, because biking is the best way to travel.
@@kght222 lol your in every ebike video trying to push throttled mopeds! People who want throttles don't acutally want to ride a bike. They want a moped they dont have to insure. Pedal assist is for those that like to ride but also lke the help on steep hills and bad weather.
Considering how much I spend on gas in a month I'm thinking 20 minute commute instead of 10. I can do that. I'm thinking on it. 50.oo every 2 weeks the pay back would be quick.
I have a bbshd on a fat tire bike. Heavy as all hell but is a BEAST. Bike and kit was under 2k. 35 mph max with a 50 mile range per charge.
It’s crazy how Bafang mid drive came and wrecked shop right after this video.
Now I know what I will be doing with my mountain bikes. Thank you Mike Fede sir.
Give them new life💪
how's riley?
Look on the motor designers face when you say “Cant make noise in the house cause shes at working home today” 😱 looks cold. And want one⚡️⚡️ 👍👍
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@@ParadoxKinetics please can i have one of you old ones my bikes 30 year old 🇱🇷USA made i don’t mind old battered check it out its on my channel. I’m from UK, want to do camping videos this summer need ebike cant afford would be a massive help thanks for reply too👍👍🖖🖖
@@kinn1647 very cool bike, coyote to hardtail!!! vintage. I wish I had used motors around to sell at lower prices, but we dont even have a single loose screw lying around these days. we're taking orders for june now... If you do make a video and it goes even partly as well as Mike Fede's then we will refund the whole kit.
That really drops the bottom height a lot. What happens when the unit gets bashed by a log or rock? Game over?
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I'm glad the tech exist because that only means there's cheaper kits on the way.
lol, i'll just buy a motorcycle!
Different weight classes for different use:
Moto / motocross: 110 kg
Pedal trail bike: 13kg
common factory eMTB: 21 kg
Paradox with battery: 20 kg
Paradox bike-only: 16 kg
You could get a complete e-bike for the price of this kit. But hey there is a sucker born every minute.
I'd definitely consider getting this if it was about £750 cheaper.. maybe even £500 cheaper. Unfortunately I don't think it would be wise to spend more on a motor and battery than what my bike cost it's self 😂 cool product though! I'll be sure to check in when the sales are on 🤞😂
Looked at this and then saw the cost ‐ ridiculous @3k. Would be better to buy an ebuke outright. Would consider it if was 500-750 but no way at 3ķ
I convert my MTB with a hub motor kit but this is way simpler and lighter. Too bad it's much more expensive.
That said, e-bikes are great. I logged more than 10,000km on mine.
Like the concept and I'm sure the prices will come down. On a side note that looks to be a meadow park preserve. Might want to find another place to blast a new trail though. Or not.
Yeah, you wouldn't want to break a blade of dead wild grass.
@@elgringoec Unfortunately, bike tyres gouge especially on brittle or wet surfaces.
@@keithtanner2806
Probably not as much as deer hooves.
It can make a Burnie on ice. I'm so impressed!😙
I used to do that on my roadie bike on tarmac just with the power of my legs. Not too impressed so far for the money.
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Never @ almost $3000. That is insane. I see the housing and the motor and I say no way. I can appreciate the engineering and ingenuity but there is nothing there worth $3k. They are out of their minds. The company will not survive with those prices.
Common sense 101, If a person can buy a brand new good quality motorcycle like a Honda NC750X for $8,000 there's no way in hell any Mountain bike or any 1500w e-bike should be near $7,000 unless it's made out of gold,platinum,etc......Yes a $7,000 MTN bike is going to be way better than a $250 Schwinn Boundary. But it's no where $6750 better, if people quit paying stupid high prices for name brand bikes. They'd be surprised how fast these $8,000 name brand bikes start selling for $2,000 and $3,000.
@@michaelbrinks8089 I just bought a Magnum Summit and didn't have to deface my light weight Trek daily ride to get one, $2350 and it's ready to go, so far I absolutely love it as well as my classic carbon fiber Y Foil I can still use
@@michaelbrinks8089 - Amen to that, not exactly to the level I was taking it but still the same. If a whole bike costs $250-500, then why does any part cost more to upgrade? Also, to your point, since when are people stupid enough to pay more for a bike than a good used car or motorcycle. If people wake up and stop paying dumb prices, companies will adjust.
@@danroose3813 That's pretty reasonable for an ebike if they used decent parts to build it.
@@vmoutsop Like when you compare everything overall required to build a 2020 $8,500 Honda NC750X motorcycle VS an $8,500 MTN bike there's no way in hell any MTN bike should cost $5,000-$10,000...You need- #1 way more raw materials, much of it being aluminum alloy, chome molly steel,etc..#2 It's incredibly more complex to build. You need way more large very expensive tools/machinery to manufacture the parts and way more tools.#3 Needs way more factory space #4 Needs way more employees. The list goes on and on, yet there are still many people who lack common sense and think these bike companies have to charge $5,000 in order to turn a worthwhile profit.....A cheap Chinese 250cc dual sport motorcycle can be bought for $1,600... It's of low quality but simple to work on and with another $500-$1,000 in parts can be a really decent brand new motorcycle for $2,000 - $2,600
Could buy a whole ebike for that.
So, is this actually a product available for purchase?
Why is it so difficult to get pricing?
Looks like a good product, but if I can't pricing info, or even the product itself, well...good luck...
So the US distributor (Emtbnorth) got back to me with a price...
$2750(with battery) + $60 shipping.
I'll just keep pedaling for now. Seems a little pricey.
The price is on our website too, that one is for a lighter/smaller battery. paradoxkinetics.com/hermes
EmtbNorth is indeed an official US Distributor. What other info could you not find aside from pricing? Its on our website which is linked in the description.
When you take a video about something like a motor install we out here really don’t give a damn about glasses, beards, hats,etc. It would be really nice if we got a good look at what was in the BOX!
You have got to be kidding me $2,750 plus the cost of the bike to put it on. I can buy a good E-bike for the price of the kit alone.
But this one will spin the rear wheel on ice.
@@ManNomad Yeah That is as stupid as the price.
I can see why it is what it is. Can you guys make just the housing to drop in bufang motor in? Also would be nice if it could be located inside the triangle... anyone try to put a motorcycle transmission on a bike? 😆
Right that's crazy you can just buy a CHEETAH curser for the same money way over priced.
What bike can you get for 2800 bucks thats good and its a real mountain bike
thats BRILLIANT IVE ORDERED ONE!!!
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Just one question what happens when your shoe lace gets stuck in the spinning part?
I would imagine the same thing that happens anytime your laces get caught up in the chainring. Lace snaps and you keep shredding 🤙🏽
For that price they could at least put a cover on it lol.
I had my trouser get caught in chainring 2 diffrent times. Need chain guards on mid drives, I think. as chain ring wont rotate back wards.
Is it a throttle only kit or is there a pedal assist option? Does the battery that you wear have a quick disconnect if you wreck?
had the same questions man...and what’s the price?
awesome would be an understatement!!
🔥🔥🔥
will it work on a trike
Getting ariel 52 volt x class buy might buy this kit for my specialized mountain bike
Its sure to fit your MTB, and would be next-level for doing MTB things
This is really cool stuff but almost 3K for this 1500w motor which is illegal for road use. Anything over 250watts becomes a motorized vehicle and must be not faster the 20 kmph. Also insured and the driver must be licensed. How do you address that issue?
I watched a vi yesterday where a college engineer student built this and what he discovered in his tests was that the hub motors were a bit superior to his (drone motor) bike. It got good speed. I think he claimed it hit 42mph but the hub motor bike his friend had did slightly better on take off speed. I also heard those hub motors batteries get recharged when you pedal. Is this how this system's battery works too? Pedaling will charge the battery, or no?
finally! A propper motor to slap on my old downhill ripper! :D
exactly what its for!
@@ParadoxKinetics yeah but its over 2 grand lol
@@youngfinance6319 1/3 the price of an equivalent good electric downhill bike. And compatible with standardized batteries, so after many years, the replacement batteries are also 1/2 the price. Some frame-specific batteries wont even be available in the future (proprietary)
@@ParadoxKinetics Can I use this on any bike from eBay or walmart Or only a top end mtb bike?
@@youngfinance6319 Yes, any bike. My comparison before was assuming an equivalent spec'd frame
This is pretty cool
looks f*%kin freezing to me
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So this can be used as pedal assist or a throttle? But pedal assist is legal on trails and throttle is not? Can you just set it up as a legal EMTB with pedal assist only?
Please show the price and more details.
Is this torque sensing ?
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Cool beans I have the hyper scorpion
This is so sick! I definitely need to get one of these.
How much are they though?
@@JustinTwilley I’m not sure how much, but I’m getting one. 🤙🏻
@@MTBLifestyle must be nice lmao
@@JustinTwilley It is brotha 🤙🏻
@Matt Nass u must be a joy to be around, I bet u have loads of friends with that wonderful personality
The price of these United States starts at: $2,490 European Union including 24% VAT: €2,790 is still a very considered purchase.
It would require you to tax an insure your bicycle as a motorbike if you fitted it in the EU though, unless you didn't use it on public roads at all.
Always scared of products that don’t list a MSRP
“If ya gotta ask you can’t afford it “ but I’m happy with my BBSHD
Just got a BBSHD for my mtb, just waiting for my battery. This motor looks good but I’m sure I can’t afford it lol
As a rule if they don’t list MSRP, I will not look any further. Sell me on the reason it is expensive, but don’t put me on another freakin mailing list with that “if ya gotta...” sales pitch.
I decided to ask. And filled out their form. The reply I initially got was more towards my bikes and which one was my favorite. With absolutely no price of their kit. I had to send yet another reply asking specifically for the price. It really seemed like they didn't want to give me a price, otherwise it would have been included in my inquiry.
That said, it is $2400 including their $200 holiday promotional discount and less their $100 installation assistance fee because I am able to do it myself. Seems a bit steep if you ask me. There are quite a few videos on UA-cam showcasing absolutely nothing in regards to the specs of the motor kit. Only people riding downhill on bikes with it installed. Which shows me nothing all.
@@npickart Thanks for taking one for the team.👍. Ouch on the price. I could buy a good chunk of a separate e bike and keep my current ride as is.
@@kenreynolds1000 We have never had a mailing list, mass emailed people, and never will. If someone doesn't understand why its expensive on the face of the issue, then why would they look any further? It doesn't make sense. We do sell people on the reasons it is expensive, its light, high power, and made for MTB(tough). The lightest 1500W continuous mid-drive in the world. This info is all over our website.
It's very cool and I really really want one but it's far out of my price range.
I build entire MTB/BMX hybrid ebikes for about the cost of that kit.
I use 48V hub motors (1000W - 2000W)
I usually build a new bike every year.
I don't necessarily use cheap parts either. I use my bikes for every day transport. They're built to be reliable.
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Another great idea, brilliantly executed then killed by the price tag. What a shame!
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@Mike Fede It’s nice, but the price of the kit needs to go down considerably.
Exactly. The CYC X1 Stealth is only about $840, but with no battery.
New Year's eve and im looking for a project. Motorcycle is full of farkles, time to work on mountain bike. Great video!
Thank you! Happy new year 🎊 🤘🏽
Yeah Tommey!! 🤙🤙🤙🤙
pretty good product
This is so sick!! I will spec one for my canyon.
Just say the word
(to info@paradoxkinetics.com ;)
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Dope! Can't wait to install this on my FSR.
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Aside from the hype ...
my opinion is that this product package is priced at roughly 200% of its actual material value.
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Very nice my surly insta gator needs one... Paradox brand I will remember.. thanks
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1500 watts continuous? That would be illegal in Europe. Thats why all the other brands are limited to 250 watts continuous. Allthough I like the Idea, I am a bit puzzled by the price and the extra weight with no additional adaptations to the bike. Regular E-bikes come with a lot of reinforcements compared to the lightweight "Analog"bikes. Very interested in how long term experience will be.
It's not illegal... You can't use it just in the traffic. As long you don't cut the poweroutcome down. Greetings from germany, the worst country for ebikes wuhuu 😂
Norway is even worse with ebike rules 😁
@@sokol7215 No you can't. Germany has very strct rules and legislation about it. 250 continous. point. In traffic this kind of bike would be prone to motorbike legislation. What you want to do in your own forrest is free, but not in road and public space usage. If you want to use it intraffic, one must follow a strict protocol to have it made road legal. This you must know.
@@speedsweets67 i said exavtly the same. Learn to read. The term "illegal" is wrong. I'm from germany so i know whats going on.
@@sokol7215 If you want to play it that way; Learn to speak English.. "Poweroutcome" is not an english word. So. I had to guess what you meant. I was respectfull and wish to be treated the same way.
If one does not cut the "poweroutcome", it will use 1500 watts. That's illegal in any sense. Germany, Netherlands our any western european country.
The best part about this is there were already mid drive motors out there when this video was made that retail at 600 and hub drives that go for 200.
Cool but very expensive. For a lot less than its EU price I got an entire 140-150mm full-sus Voodoo (UK) ebike with Shimano E7000 system shipped to my house. It is the cheapest of all the 4 ebike I've owned and maybe the best(in my videos). I'm still looking for a small and low-power bolt-on motor for my kid's 16" mtb, so that she could keep up with us uphill. Not enough demand I guess.
There's not going to be too much demand at that price, bear in mind you still have to factor in the cost of a battery pack and some sort of controller. Great idea, but not good value unfortunately.
By 4:27 I pretty much knew this thing was going to be way too expensive to be an impulse buy for me lol.
it would be nice if they had prices you didnt need to give your information to get. I dont mountain bike but am looking for a quiet way around campgrounds at night, needing to get a "quote" tells me it probably costs more than my entire camping rig
2 and a half grand.
Standard data harvesting shitbag business practices unfortunately. This is apparently what qualifies as how to do business these days.
The prices are right on the product page on our website, and in a pinned comment at the top of this comment section. If your looking for to bike around a campground this may not be for you.
@peglor - the quote form doesnt even require a name! only require 2 things for quotes: email and country, everything else is optional. UA-cam probably collected more data on us in the time it takes to watch and comment on this video.
Very cool. I'm thinking about getting an Evite but I think I just changed my mind
Havent you lost all your ground clearance with this motor?
Nope! Working on a video that’ll be out this coming week showing clearance with jumps and rock gardens
@@MikeFede Jumps don't count as you're off the ground so clearance isn't an issue. Be interesting to see it over rocks though.....
For $2000 less, i think 1000’s of would be e-bike customers would purchase this instead. It’s a really creative, unique solution that allows riders to keep the bike they love. That price tag just makes this a non-option for a big portion of the small e-bike consumer pool. Fuck, I could get a nice moped for that kind of money.
Ouch! Way too expensive for me, I'll stick with the 200 bucks hub motors 😄
Where can I buy a hub motor for $200
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@@AMC-eq3jr Hell no, I prefer to be poor.
I am surprised that the evokes are functional in the winter how cold is out there. I heard as it gets colder the battery does not perform. Now you have to find a way to keep the battery insulated and warm. I live in Toronto Canada I am acceptable on all ebikes.
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I love mtb content. That looks really sick
More Mike, moar!!
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Looks awesome. I’m ready to buy one
$2,690 and it only goes 28mph? no thanks! I would rather buy a Surron
Buy a bafang bbshd they are £920 for a 1600w (peek) for the complete kit and they run quieter and smoother than that £3000 motor the bafang also has 160nm of torque standard and I got mine up to a impressive 49mph so in my opinion mate it’s a cool option it also spins up to 15,000rpms and even when I Rev it high and take it for speed runs and long rides the motor is still at a good temperature. It’s just a very underrated motor. 😎👍🏻👍🏻
Just did my conversion with bbshd... clocked 26mph on first run... heavy fat tire bike and 200+ lb rider... entire setup under $1700 including the bike. And i think i could have done it $300 cheaper with another motor which was unavailable at the time...
Nice motor and kit, only problem is the price point $2,750, that's not counting what you've already paid to buy/build your mountain bike, that is pretty costly in my book, especially when you realize that you can buy an already built E-bike for $2,599.00, I'm talking about the Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra on Bolton E-bike's website and it has
Except that Juggernaut with a 69° HT angle is really not meant for any type of aggressive trail riding.
Stupid pricing and these guys always state "aircraft grade aluminum" 😂🤣😂
Give me a break 👎👎
Exactly my thinking too.
The motor side plates are 7075 Aluminum which can't be used to make bike frames because it can't be welded. Only machined. We make these in EU, while 99% of conversions are made in asia.
That dude from Paradox looks like Gilfoyle from Silicon Valley lmfao.
nice, but having the motor under the BB reduces the trail ability of the bike
and factory ebikes have the motor even lower! pic:
imgur.com/a/T5hPHVB
thats why we designed the Paradox motor to tuck up to the downtube, it 'hugs' it. So on most frames its infront of the BB. Added to that is the tough carbon shell, aluminum reinforced, and machined aircraft aluminum sideplates which can take massive drops, being 4mm thick each
Can I put this on my old style 10 or 12 speed with 27" wheels? The bicycles that have curled handlebars
I have the exact same bike as you, even the color scheme. I'm curious to know how this motor placement will affect bottoming out? Have you tried climbing anything chunky with this? Pedal strikes wouldn't really be a concern with the throttle, but slamming that gorgeous motor against the jagged rocks out here would make me cry.
Yeah its always scary to ride any new MTB or eMTB system, but that's what they're built for. Thats true what you say about pedal strikes, few realize what a problem this is when you only have pedal assist and need to climb. On most frames the motor sits higher, even on this frame it sits higher than factory eMTBs. The case is aluminum reinforced carbon sheet and the side plates are 4mm thick machined aircraft aluminum so nothing is going to stop it working. We offering a new skid plate for keeping it pretty
That’s sick!! I plan to put on the wireless eagle shifter and dropper to clean up the front end soon. I haven’t tried any chunky climbs with rocks or anything yet but I will be taking it out this week. I’m going to see the clearance on drops too. I’ll be mounting a camera on my down tube looking at it. 🤘🏽
Around here in VT I'm always bashing my chainring and bottom bracket off stuff. I feel like that motor would be trashed in a heartbeat... At least on my bike.
@@rpiian why dont we try it in the spring? If you want to go for a ride, I'll follow. In the meantime I'll around Mount Snow at the end of Jan for some FS fatbiking - maybe some toughness testing can be made of that.
What do you say??
The kit comes with effectively a bashguard, and skid plates can easily be added to fully protect the motor. On most bikes this motor sits several inches higher than the motors on factory e-mountain bikes, that have less sturdy cases, and very expensive frames that would have to be replaced if dented. Frames dent much more easily, and our system could be transfered to the next mountain bike in the garage, or a used frame could be bought at very low cost to a new replacement factory e-MTB frame, where the motor battery and frame are not compatible with anything that doesnt come from the manufacturer.
@@ParadoxKinetics I'd be down, though my free time is usually lunch on a weekday... :P The more I think about it though, I'm not sure what the policy is on e-bikes around here. There's some approved places like Bolton Valley (actually would be a great test - that place is insane) but where I ride I haven't heard one way or the other. Maybe don't ask don't tell...
The motor sitting below the bottom bracket on a bike meant to go off road is a bad idea. First time you hit a rock or log, that motor housing will be toast and you'll go over the bars.
Hardly an "e-bike killer." More like an "e-bike maker." Headline is a "Huh?"
I have the lightning rods 3000 watt mid Drive on my mountain bike with a 72v 14ah battery. It's a beast. That's 3000w continuous with 6000w peak. It's sh*t ton of fun. You should check out the lightning rods mid-drive setups they got up to 12kw of power.
I cannot find the price or top speed
more videos on this please!! Mike your bike is killer
Thanks bro! More to come!
Although the motor and crank maybe for e-bikes the rest of the components on a regular bike weren't designed for the high torque of a 1,500W motor, for example the chain, the cassette, brake system all will wear out prematurely if not break and you'll end up spending more to repair. Do yourself a favor and get an e-bike with quality components, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches in the long run.
I would like to get one of those cause I like riding my bmx but for the snow this will do it
pat doomsayer Got financial problems? Just buy as much AMC stock as you can right now. and see it go to 1000+. Join the AMC movement to take out the Short Hedge fund. This is no pump, no brainer. I'm still holding since $10.
I bought an NCM what a great ride!
I see what you did there "Bolton E-bike" 🤓
Oooooo.... 1.5 kilowatt. Maybe I can backpack a pair of 48V15Ah in parallel with some power management... nahh, I gotta stay on the street @500w and be legal. "What's in the backpack, SIR?"
This motor sounds like it's got serious power.... I am curious about the voltage of the battery, top speed and torque rating.
Nice build Mike... You are going to love this compared to the Ariel, I can already tell. 😁
Mikes build is 👌
Voltage: 48V
Top speed (no pedalling): 28mph
Torque at crank: 110 Nm
@@ParadoxKinetics - So that's like 20 or 25 ft pounds or something¿?
@@xpndblhero5170
110 Nm / 81 ft-lbs
The regular 750W Factory e-mountain bikes are between 50 - 80 Nm.
Going much over 110 Nm, and MTB chains, cassettes, freewheels, etc, start breaking
@@ParadoxKinetics - Yeah, I'm familiar w/ that probably w/ my mx650 w/ a 2000w motor.... The number 25 chain broke almost instantly. LMAO
@@xpndblhero5170 F
Its a tricky thing to be pushing the limit for years, with out braking anything
The trouble with any ebike over about 400w is that the gearing is a compromise between what the motor requires & what the peddler requires. With a single driveline at that sort of power, all the peddling does is flick a switch on the motor, it adds nothing to the power. Really to do this properly one needs 2 drive lines, one on each side. The drive for the peddler will need gearing for both when the the motor is running & the battery is flat meany a really wide range. Where as on the other side one just needs 3 really low gears so the motor really revs, well unless it’s geared down significantly already. They like that. So a take off, intermediate & drive, plus maybe a overdrive for high speed cruising speed.
Paradox: A statement that, despite apparently valid reasoning from true premises, leads to a seemingly self contradictory or logically unacceptable conclusion. Kinda like trying to convince people to spend thousands of dollars pitching your product while standing in some random parking lot in the middle of winter! Not what you'd call confidence inspiring.
How fast till overheat for 250lb rider full throttle 100% time. 1500w continuous ain't 1500w continuous if it overheat fast I can take bbs02 bafang and make 1500w continuous but it heat up fast.
"Any mountain bike " as long as it has the ISCG mount. You are being a bit misleading and misinforming your audience as to the fitment of the kit.
ISCG is not required, we mount to no-ISCG bikes all the time, just because the bracket has slots for it, doesn't mean you have to use them. Why do you keep making things up all over the comments here? wrong numbers, wrong specs, criticism
Nate P has been commenting all false info up and down this comment section. I dont know, but its probably not a coincidence everything he writes about Paradox is falso or misleading.
@@ParadoxKinetics but without the mount what is to keep the motors torque from pulling the entire motor downwards? Because the motor spins clockwise, pulling it downwards.
@@npickart the torque pushes the motor upwards. Look at it again.
we are a small business/manufacturer. The only ones making mid-drives to fit any bike outside of asia. Why are you going posting lies and making things up all over this comment section? After lying in an email to us first - im sorry I didnt cut to the chase faster, i responded to your email in a rush and, i've been tight for time, I dont get it, why? you work for a competitor? If want more info on how it works, just ask me.i dont get it.
I'll paste my response to the price quoting system here so you see it all in one place:
A 20-country/currency multi-language international eCommerce website would cost a fortune build an maintain. As for just listing the price, each country has - not just different shipping costs - each country has different import taxes, battery availability(batteries can't be shipped normally by air), sales taxes (vary from 0% to 24%!!), etc etc. THEN customers get even more mad when another country is getting a lower price, because the costomers country charges an insane 22 - 24% sales tax!
Bafang (BBSHD) is a large company, like all companies in China, they have had, or have the insurance of getting heaps of no-interest loans from the 'the govt'/CCP who also devalue chinese currency which benefits them.
IBBSHD may work on pavement/smooth trails/ light trails but If you hit a rock at speed on that low hanging motor case, it will crack, cast metal is brittle. Thats why we use machined metal. There are a few others, but for that reason alone, BBSHD is not MTB.
Second hand Cube hardtail £300 1500W hub motor and 52v battery £800 will do 40 mph for way less than half the price
You ride a knolly! Good choice👍
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