Haha…sorry Rich! I didn’t read the username and associate it with you as I should have. We certainly had a good time and I look forward to the next one as well.
Great to see Chris back on the channel as well as the addition of Rich. It’s an interesting topic to me, and this panel had an excellent discussion on it. You could spend hours discussing which bands constitute glam metal.
I will always defend the first Bon Jovi, I don't care for the rest of their catalogue. Interesting how you all had different Crue album faves. OTT but Chris' voice sounds just like Tom Morello! Excellent video, loved seeing Rich and Chris on here, be good to see more of this series!👍
What an interesting topic. I can add to the Europe-discussion that here in Sweden we really considered them as a hard rock or heavy metal-band in the beginning. The glam scene wasn't at all their influence. Later on you could of course put them into the hair metal genre, but again after the reunion in the 2000s they are more of a classic rock band.
Yes, Hair Bands is another sub genre of Glam Rock too. I know Glam is such a grouping really. I grew up with 80's metal and I love the bands in the time. It was the time of great music, Great look of Leather Lace and SPANDEX! Haystack Hair or Big Hair in general, Makeup, and the fashion was the big deciding factor. Battle Jackets with loaded patches and the back patch of your most favorite band. Levi's made a mint off the battle jackets LOL. Pretty Boy Floyd is also underated. Don't forget the W band conspiracy! OMG I was so sick of that grouping. Winger, White lion, Whitesnake, and others. It's about the music and the way of life. Schools had the rockers, metal heads, or shredders groups. We grew up in a time when metal ruled the radio stations! I am 51 years old and still stuck in the 80's. Keep the music alive all 🤘🤘
Great show Brendan. Good to see Glam Metal getting some love. To be controversial I don’t think the Glam sound is the vocals. It’s more about the song writing, song length & guitar style. It can be heavy, it can bluesy, it can be poppy but it’s always commercial, hooky & usually shorter songs. Combine that with the look & you have Glam metal.
Great idea for a show series! Looking forward to the sequel episode! 😀 Talking look vs. sound - I would argue for the look that first defines what is "glam" and the sound comes second. Let's be honest - Whitesnake looked total glam in 1987 but the sound was very heavy, too heavy to be glam (metal).
This is a great idea and I think the panel is great for this topic. I'm looking forward to more episodes in this series! I've always considered this genre Pop Metal back in the day but, I know they were calling it Glam. Calling it Hair or Glam felt a little derogatory to me and I always thought the music was well produced "poppy" sounding heavy metal. You make a great point about how recognizeable the different bands sounded while all fitting neatly under the umbrella of Glam Metal. The downfall of Glam was the way the record companies began trying to find the next big band to break and they watered down the market with a bunch of bands trying to sound like the big hitters that had been successful in the early part of the movement. A lot of those bands were very derivitive and lacking the creative spark that the pioneers of the genre had. Couple that with the inability for us to preview these albums and you get a market that imploaded under it's own weight. I got burned on a bunch of those generic bands at the record store and it left a bad taste in my mouth for future purchases. What looked like a trend of people no longer interested in the genre may not have been the case. We weren't interested in those cookie cutter imposters but, more albums from the top Glam bands, in the same vein as their original breakout albums, was what we wanted. There was too much pressure put on those bands to produce hit singles and ballads. They should have been encouraged to explore their musical visions and allowed the freedom to go where the music took them. The record company execs took far too much credit for the success of the bands and treated the profits as their own personal cash cows leaving the artists struggling to make ends meet, in debt to the record companies, and at their mercy. The music industry deserved to get kneecapped but, as always, they found a way to rob the artists of their due with streaming services and publishing rights. It's a sad situation for artists, musicians and fans.
I would say Glam peaked in '85 with Asylum, Under Lock and Key, Look What the Cat Dragged In, and Theatre of Pain, because after those albums the bands went into the leather look and a little heavier sound. You had a few outliers that would pop up over the years (Pretty Boy Floyd) but most bands branched off into heavier and/or Blues-ier sounds. Looking forward to more episodes of this!
I don't know..... His input on the Glam Metal may show the negative side since it was divided with the Rockers and Metalheads of the era. Might make some entertaining banter. 🤣
To me personally what defines the glam metal lyrical content for me is lyrical content about Sex, Women, Partying and having a good time, excess and Love, Romance and Heartbreak. Because nearly every glam metal album had a song talking about falling in love, being in love, falling out of love and love dying or getting your heart broken into a million pieces and getting betrayed. When I think of Glam Metal one of the first things that pops into my head is all of the love and romantic songs and ballads. Because to me this was the only metal subgenre where this was really a thing and one of the many things that makes it an outliner among the other metal subgenres.
Great discussion. I know glam metal as a term existed back in the day and it works for bands like Poison but I don't think it works for bands like Badlands or even Bon Jovi. I don't think hair metal is a genre but I do think it's a good way to describe a band's sound, image and time they were active(around 84 to 92) and it's no longer an insult or meant in a negative way.
Sorry for the additional comment, Brendon….on the power ballad topic, I was always of the mindset that Motley Crue’s Home Sweet Home was the first, but I’ve heard people like Martin Popoff bring up Def Leppard’s Bringin on the Heartbreak off of High N Dry (in ‘81 obviously) as perhaps the first power ballad. What do you think about that?
An interesting thought for a future episode but one could argue that Motley Crue's 'Too Fast For Love' was the first true 'glam metal' album of the era ...and..... Vince Neil 'Exposed' was the last. I really can't think of one other album that came after '93 that did not have a grunge influence. So Vince really both started and ended the genre.
32:00 i agree Brandon…i was in middle school in the late 80s/early 90s…i love the Glam sound now (i need to look up that record y’all held up at 5he beginning for example) but at the time i remember hearing “more than words” by Extreme & “to be with you” by Mr Big & avoided them like the plague as a result…plus that Extreme song was ALL radio & MTV would play it seemed
Yes…an exception to the rule. That was something that really set White Lion apart. To be honest, I think White Lion could have been bigger had their lyrics reflected the party attitude of the genre instead of having deeper meanings. But then again it is what set them apart and why people took notice.
MTV didn’t define it, they just made some bands more popular than others. The existed with and without MTV. In fact lots of them didn’t get on MTV or if they did it was very little.
You can’t. The term is nonsense to start with. Some played blues metal. Some played power pop. Some played funk metal. Some played almost straight up thrash. Some played punk. Rubbish concept to begin with. It had no “sound”. It was an image and era. Impossible to define as a sub- genre.
I disagree. But I think it’s funny that you are using different genres to define sounds and styles for Glam Metal that you then say cannot be defined….haha, I mean what? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@BrendonSnyder They are varying styles and SUB GENRES . not genres. “Glam metal” describes NOTHING. Glam metal was All of them and more. Therefore CAN’T be defined musically. Read before you “lol”. Disagree all you want. 🤷
I read your comment, I disagree with your comment, and I stick by the comments and explanation in my video. Glam Metal is a real sub-genre of the more general genre of Heavy Metal. That said it does have a sound and style and it’s easily definable. Just because you can’t see it or do it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and can’t be done. Good day sir 👍
@@BrendonSnyder I’ll tell YOU when it’s been a good day sir!! 😜😂 I didn’t say it wasn’t a sub-genre. I said it can’t be defined MUSICALLY. It is a sub genre in image and general lyrical grist only. The MUSIC isn’t definable. How’s that work for you? Don’t get me started on “speed metal”!! 🙄 Now…., good day sir!! 😁
@@BrendonSnyder So true! They were trying to ride the music movement in the 80's and be more relevant at the time! Don't get me wrong. I love the 70's Kiss as much as the 80's Kiss.
Love all of your videos, Brendon! But anything related to Glam Metal I jump on immediately! Great job!
Great to see Rich here. Hope to see Krash Kourse and The Guru on the panel on future episodes.
Thanks guys, great discussion looking forward to the next part
Glad to hear you enjoyed it and would like to see more! Can’t wait to film the next episode and dive deeper.
@BrendonSnyder by the way it's me, Rich. Lol.
Haha…sorry Rich! I didn’t read the username and associate it with you as I should have. We certainly had a good time and I look forward to the next one as well.
@@BrendonSnyder 😁🤘🏻
Another awesome video keep doing these awesome videos 👍🏻🇬🇧👍🏻🎸🎸🎸
Thank you Mark!
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This was a great episode! Looking forward to seeing the next episode with you guys.
Brilliant new series. 🤘😎🤘
That was a great show , thanks guys!!!
Thank you! Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
Thanks for watching
Great to see Chris back on the channel as well as the addition of Rich. It’s an interesting topic to me, and this panel had an excellent discussion on it. You could spend hours discussing which bands constitute glam metal.
I will always defend the first Bon Jovi, I don't care for the rest of their catalogue. Interesting how you all had different Crue album faves. OTT but Chris' voice sounds just like Tom Morello! Excellent video, loved seeing Rich and Chris on here, be good to see more of this series!👍
What an interesting topic. I can add to the Europe-discussion that here in Sweden we really considered them as a hard rock or heavy metal-band in the beginning. The glam scene wasn't at all their influence. Later on you could of course put them into the hair metal genre, but again after the reunion in the 2000s they are more of a classic rock band.
Yes, Hair Bands is another sub genre of Glam Rock too. I know Glam is such a grouping really. I grew up with 80's metal and I love the bands in the time. It was the time of great music, Great look of Leather Lace and SPANDEX! Haystack Hair or Big Hair in general, Makeup, and the fashion was the big deciding factor. Battle Jackets with loaded patches and the back patch of your most favorite band. Levi's made a mint off the battle jackets LOL. Pretty Boy Floyd is also underated. Don't forget the W band conspiracy! OMG I was so sick of that grouping. Winger, White lion, Whitesnake, and others. It's about the music and the way of life. Schools had the rockers, metal heads, or shredders groups. We grew up in a time when metal ruled the radio stations! I am 51 years old and still stuck in the 80's. Keep the music alive all 🤘🤘
Just to be clear, Glam Rock and Glam Metal (Hair Bands) are two different genres and not sub-genres of each other.
Great show Brendan. Good to see Glam Metal getting some love. To be controversial I don’t think the Glam sound is the vocals. It’s more about the song writing, song length & guitar style. It can be heavy, it can bluesy, it can be poppy but it’s always commercial, hooky & usually shorter songs. Combine that with the look & you have Glam metal.
Thank you for doing this show and please create more 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I’m glad you enjoyed it David, thank you for letting me know!
Great idea for a show series! Looking forward to the sequel episode! 😀
Talking look vs. sound - I would argue for the look that first defines what is "glam" and the sound comes second.
Let's be honest - Whitesnake looked total glam in 1987 but the sound was very heavy, too heavy to be glam (metal).
Great video! Enjoyed and appreciated the comments. Didn't agree with everything but it was a great video.
love glam/hair metal. Thanks for talking about it!
Our pleasure Alex! It’s my favorite genre of music.
This is a great idea and I think the panel is great for this topic. I'm looking forward to more episodes in this series! I've always considered this genre Pop Metal back in the day but, I know they were calling it Glam. Calling it Hair or Glam felt a little derogatory to me and I always thought the music was well produced "poppy" sounding heavy metal. You make a great point about how recognizeable the different bands sounded while all fitting neatly under the umbrella of Glam Metal. The downfall of Glam was the way the record companies began trying to find the next big band to break and they watered down the market with a bunch of bands trying to sound like the big hitters that had been successful in the early part of the movement. A lot of those bands were very derivitive and lacking the creative spark that the pioneers of the genre had. Couple that with the inability for us to preview these albums and you get a market that imploaded under it's own weight. I got burned on a bunch of those generic bands at the record store and it left a bad taste in my mouth for future purchases. What looked like a trend of people no longer interested in the genre may not have been the case. We weren't interested in those cookie cutter imposters but, more albums from the top Glam bands, in the same vein as their original breakout albums, was what we wanted. There was too much pressure put on those bands to produce hit singles and ballads. They should have been encouraged to explore their musical visions and allowed the freedom to go where the music took them. The record company execs took far too much credit for the success of the bands and treated the profits as their own personal cash cows leaving the artists struggling to make ends meet, in debt to the record companies, and at their mercy. The music industry deserved to get kneecapped but, as always, they found a way to rob the artists of their due with streaming services and publishing rights. It's a sad situation for artists, musicians and fans.
I would say Glam peaked in '85 with Asylum, Under Lock and Key, Look What the Cat Dragged In, and Theatre of Pain, because after those albums the bands went into the leather look and a little heavier sound. You had a few outliers that would pop up over the years (Pretty Boy Floyd) but most bands branched off into heavier and/or Blues-ier sounds.
Looking forward to more episodes of this!
Awesome 🤘🏻
We missed having you join us! Hopefully next time!
Don`t show this to Anthony!
I made this because Anthony won’t discuss it with me! Haha 😂😂😂
I don't know..... His input on the Glam Metal may show the negative side since it was divided with the Rockers and Metalheads of the era. Might make some entertaining banter. 🤣
To me personally what defines the glam metal lyrical content for me is lyrical content about Sex, Women, Partying and having a good time, excess and Love, Romance and Heartbreak. Because nearly every glam metal album had a song talking about falling in love, being in love, falling out of love and love dying or getting your heart broken into a million pieces and getting betrayed. When I think of Glam Metal one of the first things that pops into my head is all of the love and romantic songs and ballads. Because to me this was the only metal subgenre where this was really a thing and one of the many things that makes it an outliner among the other metal subgenres.
What were the channels called by the other guys? Great conversation here, loved it!
I enjoyed the conversation but I personally want to reduce the number of genres.
I’ve watched your video and thefristhardrock concert ive seen was Aerosmith at the target center nine lives tour in 1997
Great discussion. I know glam metal as a term existed back in the day and it works for bands like Poison but I don't think it works for bands like Badlands or even Bon Jovi. I don't think hair metal is a genre but I do think it's a good way to describe a band's sound, image and time they were active(around 84 to 92) and it's no longer an insult or meant in a negative way.
Hello from Ukraine! Cool discussion! Cheers
Hello from the US! It’s good to have you joining in the fun!
Great episode!
I'd say, it's sounding like a cross between The Partridge Family and KISS. 😊 I mean, that's basically it. 😄
Lol
I’m not seeing it
You know what I love the partridge family. I have several other albums and I think they’re great there. I said it it’s for public consumption.
@@BrendonSnyder You can't picture David Cassidy singing Poison songs, like "I Want Action"? I sure can. 😄
Sorry for the additional comment, Brendon….on the power ballad topic, I was always of the mindset that Motley Crue’s Home Sweet Home was the first, but I’ve heard people like Martin Popoff bring up Def Leppard’s Bringin on the Heartbreak off of High N Dry (in ‘81 obviously) as perhaps the first power ballad. What do you think about that?
Actually I think you could back to 73 with Aerosmith Dream On 🤔
Please, post the link from the channels of the guests...
I have that same gnr shirt 👕
Hey Brendon, I’m a huge fan and supporter of Slaughter. Do you think that they are Metal or Glam Metal?
100% Glam Metal. But Glam Metal is a sub-genre of Heavy Metal so they’re still Heavy Metal too.
An interesting thought for a future episode but one could argue that Motley Crue's 'Too Fast For Love' was the first true 'glam metal' album of the era ...and..... Vince Neil 'Exposed' was the last. I really can't think of one other album that came after '93 that did not have a grunge influence. So Vince really both started and ended the genre.
32:00 i agree Brandon…i was in middle school in the late 80s/early 90s…i love the Glam sound now (i need to look up that record y’all held up at 5he beginning for example) but at the time i remember hearing “more than words” by Extreme & “to be with you” by Mr Big & avoided them like the plague as a result…plus that Extreme song was ALL radio & MTV would play it seemed
This was so much fun!
Awesome warrant dog eat dog t shirt,!,,,
Thank you
Aerosmith were in my mind the original glam metal band. They influenced everyone that came after in that scene.
White Lion when the children cries
Yes…an exception to the rule. That was something that really set White Lion apart. To be honest, I think White Lion could have been bigger had their lyrics reflected the party attitude of the genre instead of having deeper meanings. But then again it is what set them apart and why people took notice.
How about Ozzy in the 80s?
Nah…he may have been glam looking with his sequin outfits but his music was never Glam Metal even though it got lighter.
@@BrendonSnyder yea, he made music that could sit alongside glam metal . Just enough pop elements and radio friendly riffs.
What defines the sound? MTV
MTV didn’t define it, they just made some bands more popular than others. The existed with and without MTV. In fact lots of them didn’t get on MTV or if they did it was very little.
What defines a Glam Metal band? Well being hated by the Thrash Metal scene is a start.haha 😉
You can’t. The term is nonsense to start with. Some played blues metal. Some played power pop. Some played funk metal. Some played almost straight up thrash. Some played punk.
Rubbish concept to begin with. It had no “sound”. It was an image and era. Impossible to define as a sub- genre.
I disagree. But I think it’s funny that you are using different genres to define sounds and styles for Glam Metal that you then say cannot be defined….haha, I mean what? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@BrendonSnyder They are varying styles and SUB GENRES . not genres. “Glam metal” describes NOTHING. Glam metal was All of them and more. Therefore CAN’T be defined musically. Read before you “lol”.
Disagree all you want. 🤷
I read your comment, I disagree with your comment, and I stick by the comments and explanation in my video. Glam Metal is a real sub-genre of the more general genre of Heavy Metal. That said it does have a sound and style and it’s easily definable. Just because you can’t see it or do it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and can’t be done. Good day sir 👍
@@BrendonSnyder I’ll tell YOU when it’s been a good day sir!! 😜😂
I didn’t say it wasn’t a sub-genre. I said it can’t be defined MUSICALLY. It is a sub genre in image and general lyrical grist only. The MUSIC isn’t definable. How’s that work for you? Don’t get me started on “speed metal”!! 🙄
Now…., good day sir!! 😁
@@BrendonSnyder Oh…, Heavy Metal is a sub-genre in and of itself. Another topic…….😂
I HATE the term "Glam Metal" !!!!!
Glam Metal…Glam Metal…Glam Metal…Glam Metal…Glam Metal…Glam Metal…Glam Metal…Glam Metal…Glam Metal…😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@BrendonSnyderlol
@@BrendonSnyder GLAM METAL!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤘🤘
Paul STANLEY? Really ???? Ok, Im out.
If you think that Kiss wasn’t part of the Glam Metal scene for over a decade then you’re lying to yourself 👍
@@BrendonSnyder So true! They were trying to ride the music movement in the 80's and be more relevant at the time! Don't get me wrong. I love the 70's Kiss as much as the 80's Kiss.