I know it seems like to “Seek Discomfort” we need to do the outrageous thing, the crazy thing, the world-traveling, thrill-seeking thing. BUT what Matt did was also Seeking Discomfort! Sometimes making the hard decision to do what’s right for you and persevering through it is just as hard and is exactly what yes theory is about!! 👏🏻
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS! For a very long time I have been saying this to myself That seeking discomfort means so many different things and at times, it means seating down with a book at home instead of going out and seeking thrilling adventures.
Yeah as much as I was inspired by Yes Theory I did want and at the same time couldn't imagine how stressful it would be to be one of these guys doing these things. At some point you would realise the need to be grounded and find yourself. Some goals are meant to be reached with lessons in time.
It sounds like it took a lot of courage to step back from Yes Theory, and I commend Matt on recognizing that certain aspects of his life were causing discomfort in a way that wasn’t helpful for him. I like how y’all discussed that sometimes removing things from your life is what is needed to grow. I appreciated the vulnerability in this episode!
(1) That’s one of the things Yes Fam is great for. (2) Diana meet Nabil. Nabil, Diana. You both seem to want friends to have deep conversations with… I think we see where this is going 😬
For me those friendships with deep conversations started as soon as I started saying what I really thought or felt instead of what I thought I was supposed to say. I started making instant connections with people - it was pretty amazing. As soon as you start showing up as yourself, people can finally see you ... if you want friendships with deep conversations, show your depth and your loving heart with everyone you meet - not everyone will be on your wavelength, but you'll attract the ones who are :)
7:22 - 31 years old now. Started Yes Theory at 23 11:00 - Inner anxiety 13:00 - Describing Anxiety 13:40 - Enterpreneurship to fill the hole 16:40 - HSP Drew's Family 18:00 - Content creation feeling unsustainable 20:00 - Emotional maturity needed for Content creation 20:30 - Replacing party kid to workaholic. THE VOID
Here's a very gentle piece of constructive criticism - it seems like you connect with people by sharing your similar stories/shared experiences. This can be great in real world conversations (although, some people don't love this kind of communication style). However, in the context of an interview, this approach detracts from your guest being fully heard. Maybe have a special episode where you're being interviewed so that you can talk about yourself, but when interviewing others, just stay silent and let them speak their piece. If your response absolutely requires an anecdote to lead to a question, fine, but otherwise, leave that out. I recommend watching the host of The Diary of a CEO to see how to strike that balance. All that said, you seem like a genuinely sweet and smart guy, and you have interesting things to say. But for an interview, I think it would really elevate your content to take a back seat.
I'm SO HAPPY someone who 'made it' is FINALLY being candid about having the courage to let it go for the sake of sanity. Bravo Matt, and can't wait to see what this brings for you moving forward- also massive thanks for being so open and vulnerable, I'm sure that also takes a lot of courage.
Nathaniel, so happy you got Matt to this, one constructive feedback, please leave more room for the other person, you interrupted sometimes Matt when he was sharing his story and interrupted the flow of the convo and sometimes talked about your story and took away from Matt’s story. Ur doing a great job though :)
Matt has always come across as the most authentic member of yes theory. I love them all but Matt was always a stand out, I don’t blame him for his decision though. Being on camera seems like my own personal hell and I know he’s going to do huge things anyways 🙏
I GASPED and RAN to this as soon as I saw it! This episode is especially beautiful because you can see that Matt is a good listener so he asks really good questions which makes this a great conversation to listen to. I also remember hearing 'depersonalization' for the first time when Matt talked about it and when I googled it, everything in my life made sense! I've also been on my journey since then discovering that I'm also a sensitive person who's anxious. So Matt, you've had bigger impact on people than you know, you're literally changing lives. I'M SO HYPED FOR THE BOOK ALWAYS IM ROOTING FOR YOU MY GUYYY
Thank you for sharing this. I turned 20 a few days ago and while listening, I found myself relating to many aspects of this conversation. I appreciate the wisdom and guidance in reminding me to slow down and to enjoy these moments
This is truly how you seek discomfort, having these vulnerable feelings and conversations. So much of what our world needs. Such pure intentional content. So much wisdom and honesty. Sensitivity is a beautiful thing and more men should embrace those sides of them, that don’t make them weaker in any way, it is so attractive and powerful. Too much misconceptions and stigmas around sensitive people. I also read the book, The Highly Sensitive Person by - Elaine N. Aron, who also wrote The Highly Sensitive Person in Love. I resonate so much with you Matt and Nathaniel, on a very deep level. I am with joy of the belief, that we can shift society perspectives for the better, with people like you sharing your stories! So wholehearted and thought provoking in all the right ways!!! Genuine, thoughtful, caring about the community, of how connected we all are!!! How we value creation and the parallel impacts we cannot ignore. Please HMU if you are ever in Toronto - I’d love to pick your brains! Less egos, more amigos🫶
Loved listening to Matt! Yes Theory is one of the best channels I've ever found. I hope the interviewer can learn to stop interrupting so much, Matt was so patient with being cut off so often
I found Yes Theory in 2019 after I lost my daughter. I was in a really bad head space. They helped me so much. Matt has always been one of my favorites. I was so sad when he left. I still watch them. They are all amazing. I’m so sadden to hear the struggle he’s gone through. I had anxiety and panic attacks while pregnant from previous pregnancy losses. So I understand that dissociating. We have such high standards for people these days and it’s causing so many issues. Now as a mom of a daughter. I can see how parenting has such an impact on our mental health. I’m learning so much about my childhood and how messed up it was and how it’s affected me now as an adult. I now have knowledge to change that for my daughter.
I did not know that Matt actually "quit" Yes Theory. The way they had explained his departure was that he would still be working on Yes Theory projects, but doing so mostly behind the scenes. And also working on his book. Hope he will still be connected. Their friendship is so inspiring.
The healthiest and happiest people I’ve met live like it’s 1975. I’ve never had the impression people heavily into social media are mentally balanced. The more they talk about living their best life , it feels like a hopeful affirmation and not a reality. Makes sense why so many celebrities go BONKERS. We’re not meant to exist with so many eyes on us.
I’ve been waiting for this episode since you very first teased it. Matt was such an incredible member of Yes Theory. He always came across as genuinely kind and sincere. It’s sad to hear how he struggled throughout his experiences and just another reminder that even the most outgoing and happy seeming individuals have internal struggles we know nothing about. Always be kind. While I loved this interview, my only (small) criticism would be that you didn’t allow Matt to finish his thoughts. Perhaps because you’re close friends, the conversation flows naturally and it’s easy to cut someone off, but it felt like he would be getting into a deep and detailed story only to be interrupted. I just wish we could have finished some of those stories. But I mean no offense. It’s a beautiful interview and I truly find this podcast inspirational.
I agree, I feel like Matt was in the middle of his sentence and Nathaniel would follow up with another question without letting him finish or interrupt him, I thought it was kind of irritating but no shade Nathaniel! Like Amanda said, maybe in the moment the conversation is flowing and you have many questions that you'd like to ask, but it would have been great to hear the rest of whatever Matt wanted to say. Still enjoyed the episode though, great stuff
Crazy - I've watched a ton of Yes Theory vids and always enjoyed Matt's chilled, friendly vibe. Never knew he suffered from anxiety. I'll support whatever he does next/moving forward.
Loved this episode! One small thing, maybe try to interrupt less, I listen to other podcasts and it’s really nice to hear the each person’s full thoughts.
I agree, I tend to interupt in conversation because I get excited about the subject or want to relate with the person while its fresh in my mind, but it's important to let them finish.
I find so incredible the fact that Matt doesn't consider himself made for UA-cam and at the same time, my all-time favorite UA-cam video is Matt's Iron Man journey. It inspires me in moments I need extra motivation to keep going. Thank you Matt and thank you Yes Theory for the contribution you have brought to my life so I can live now a life of freedom, purpose, and travel.
matt is so well spoken. seems like a genuine friend and has a noticeably calm demeanor now. glad he's doing better and look forward to seeing what he does next
The authenticity Nathaniel brings to everything he does is mind-blowing. I've been following this kid for years now, and he never ceases to amaze me. I truly wish you the absolute best, man. OUTSTANDING & INSPIRING!
I'm only 40 minutes in but man this is such a good interview. The part about Matt trying to figure out who he is and coming to terms that he is in fact sensitive hit home. Honestly it made me cry because I felt seen and heard on a level that is not easy to come by. So thank you both for this podcast and I hope Matt continues to grow on a personal level!
Please do a part 2 when the book comes out. I feel like there so much left for us to learn and be said. Thank you for having him on and so grateful he was so vulnerable. 😅😮
I LOVE Nathaniel's personal channel so much and found a lot of value from this deep conversation but I found myself so frustrated that Matt could never finish a full thought because Nathan kept interrupting his points!!! Other than that, this was an awesome and thought-provoking conversation.
God I miss Matt so much in Yes Theory. The rest are great and I'm still a subscriber and all of that, it's just that Matt's actions and reactions were so relatable that I'm missing that.
Matt feels the most authentic version of himself here - not trying to be anyone he’s not for the camera and for the likes, just a sensitive, funny and genuine conversation about mental health and the journey that is your 20s. I’m in a similar situation and finally feel like I’ve reached the same point and really admire the self-work he has clearly done over the last 2 years. The social media-free life is the way forward!
I remember being one of the earliest subscribers to Yes Theory. It's amazing to see how big they have become. I also respect his decisions. Making video's shouldn't feel forced or uncomfortable in any way.
Only halfway through, saving the other half for my work out tomorrow but wanted to just say how awesome it was to see men talk to each other the way you did in this episode. I can see the care you have for one another and it’s really heart warming. Thanks for sharing so openly. ❤
I'm an old fan of yes theory and i really like the things they did and still do, but it's nice listening to a person who wasn't feeling good with the lifestyle. Each person is different and needs different things, and we have to acknowledge that
I met Matt one time. he changed my life. and the way he interacted with chatting with me. I mean I will never be the same, I am forever changed. this man is so wonderful and just as you see him here. :,) a kind, loving, compassionate, human, that makes other humans feel so seen and heard and loved.
This is the best podcast I've come across in a while! With so many podcasts out nowadays, it's so nice to listen to one where it feels like a true conversation among friends rather than an interview, plus with actual valuable insight that are more down to earth. I might even listen to this one again in a month or so bc I'm sure I'll pick up even more from the conversation
I can't believe this is the way I found out I was going through depersonalization disorder also at 19, it was exactly as Matt describes it, I'm really sorry you went through that man, it's extremely weird and agonizing to feel that you're not in control of your life, even if it's just a feeling that lasts minutes, that experience never goes away, much love, hope you're doing okay. Thank you so much Nathan for bringing such an amazing guest!
Being a sensitive person- so relatable! I also pushed myself out of my comfort zone until I couldn’t anymore - now I see it was to “prove” to “everyone” that I wasn’t sensitive. I was evaluated for autism last year and received a diagnosis. Now I embrace it and give myself space to be me and unwind. Such a different life. You’re doing a good job Matt, not that my opinion truly matters. ❤️
I'm here because of the Colin and Samir podcast. I really appreciate the openness of this conversation, but I just wish you (Nathaniel) hadn't interrupted Mat so much. Please don't think I'm hating, I'm not, more constructive criticism if you'll accept that. I just wanted to hear where some of those sentences were going to go, but we didn't get the chance. However, thank you for making this video - some really important topics and much honesty 🙏🏼
Woah. So pleased about this episode already. I’ve been thinking about Matt for the past couple of days while seeing videos from Yes Theory. So so excited!
I got off Instagram 2 years ago and i feel like my life slowed down immediately. It's better now and I've been considering getting back on, and controlling my time extremely. But im not sure if its worth the risk. So this conversation was very good for me! Thank you.
no, probably not worth it. think about, people put random stuff on the grid just to get validated. is pointless info. is not going to do anything to your life. so is best to just not be in there.
This podcast was exactly what I needed. I actually like the format of both people talking more too, it’s more of a conversation than a storytelling session, and I got a lot more value out of it because of that.
Such an insightful story that Matt has to share.. and whilst Nathaniel was showing how eveything that Matt had to say reflected in his own experience, I feel like this was the listener's part and should have been left to the listener. I could tell how centred Matt is because he never seemed to be bothered and I don't think he was even though the conversation was supposed to be about him after all! So kudos to Matt
Learning about HSP was a huge relief for me 13 years ago in the mid of my burn out. Follow the path, Matt, it is such a great help to find who you really are.
Been loving the pod Nathaniel! Just a friendly observation, I like when you are sitting closer to your guest, if makes the conversation feel more intimate and the viewer more involved. Been a fan of your work for years and loving you exploring this path!
This was such a deep and profound conversation to sit in on. I'm 29 and I've had a lot of similar realizations as Matt (just without that level of success, lol). The value of subtraction is so real. Saying no to a lot so I can say yes fully to the stuff that's important to me. Sifting my motives to figure out if what I do is just hustling for love and affirmation, or really an overflow of my real values spilling out into the world. Being present and grateful in a culture, especially social media, that screams "MORE, BIGGER, BETTER." In that kind of culture, rest is rebellion. Wishing you guys the best for finding joy and fulfillment in this journey of life.
Having a time out clearly shows dividends, Matt’s presentation of himself on this podcast is brilliant. It’s as if he knew going away for a while would make him bigger. So much respect for him
"You feel like you don't belong to this world. So what better way to exist than to create your own world" This sentence made me understand why I am actually creating so much stuff. Thank you!
I adore this man. When Matt left Yes Theory I was so proud of him, I wasn't even sad he left because I struggle with mental illness and A LOT of anxiety so as soon as I heard he was leaving I thought "I don't blame him". I hope he can come back in a healthy way, though, because I miss his energy. I can see what a fantastic human being he is, as are all of the Yes Theory team and all of the Yes Fam ❤
Matt seems so calm, collected, almost wise! You can tell how he grew from making these decisions. I'm also feeling very vulnerable at the moment, a lot is changing in my life right now, I may move to the UK, I may lose my job as a translator/editor soon. Had my first actual panic attack last week (and only realised now how inflationary I had used the term 'panic attack' before that) and realised I need to change some things in my life. Matt's calmness and determination really help me feel braver in my current situation.
I completely agree w/ how social media is like a toxic relationship. I recently deactivated my account and it has been the best in not comparing or feeling the need to post. I found it freeing to fly under the radar.
I've suffered from DP in the past and luckily have gotten through it but it's such a niche thing nobody takes about. Very encouraging to hear matt talk about it
Thank you, Nathaniel and Matt both being so opened. I have social anxiety too, and most people do not understand it. I’m so glad that I’m not alone with it. Even tho I’m not a UA-camr of some sort, but I do feel the anxiousness as well. If anyone feel the same, you are not alone ❤
Intensely addictive…That is precisely how social media was built! Don’t go back Matt! You have detoxed from this mental heroine! Set your hand to the plow and keep your eyes forward! You got this!!!
Such a wonderful in depth conversation! Thank you for sharing your vulnerabilities with the world. We miss Matt but are so happy he’s putting his mental health first! PS- I would’ve loved to hear Matt talk a little more. It kinda felt like every time he was about to get somewhere, Nathanial got excited and took over the conversation. I do the same thing sometimes so I get it but just a pointer for the future!
Nathaniel! If you want your podcasts to come across as more intimate, don't sit all the way across the table from them! It would be easier to connect with guests and make the podcast more personable if you and your guest were sitting closer to one another. Think about it like this: when good friends are sitting down to have a conversation, where do you seat yourselves? All the way on opposite ends of the table? Or in the middle where you're closer to one another and it's easier to engage.
Maaaaatttttt! We missed you,man. Good to hear you and see you again. Again, as always, so many nuggets of wisdom to take from this. I can relate with social media. Ive been off it for 9years i think already ☺️
I always wonder where my ability to disconnect is from but when I hear stories like this, I just become amazed and grateful. Disconnecting from social media has never been a problem for me... I can get sucked in an IG/FB/Twt hole for a day but then I won't have that same itch the next day...yknow? I don't have the feel of being on it 24/7, 7days etc....I can go on for months without checking in on my socmeds...The mind is a really powerful tool.
You hit on such a thought provoking point. On our purpose is not to prove anything. Living out your values and answer questions when they come up in our relationships really is what it seems to be.
I gotta say .. as a first time viewer to the pod I found this content really powerful stuff. Really genuine and real discussions and unique. We often don't think how difficult it must be to project and maintain an image to hundreds of thousands, even millions of people.
I related to a lot of this. The part about removing things from your life and shedding like a snake - I feel like I’m starting on that path now. Or having done “it” so now there’s nothing left to prove. Sooo much greatness in this conversation.
This speaks to me on so many levels. I recently retrieved from being an advanced care paramedic. My coworkers often joke we all suffer from stolkholm syndrome. When your in it you do it but when you have a moment to sit back you realize how actually crazy and effed up it is.
I've learnt so much from Matt in the last one month of stalking him. His honesty is something I wish to achieve. God bless others going through anxiety too 🙌🏼❤
As much as I love all of the Yes Theory founders and creators, I always thought Matt was my favourite (I have been following them since 2017). Just his kind gentleness alongside his sense of adventure and honestly just his personality - I could relate to him the most. I totally respected his decision to step back; it almost made me like him more even though I miss his video presence. If I can afford it (I'm a broke student over here), I will definitely buy his book! Thank you Matt for sharing all of this! Seek discomfort but not to the overall detriment of your mental and/or physical health :) Edit: I am now listening to this further. I completely understand the anxiety, and even more so the depersonalization. It is horrendous. Thank you for opening up about this, as it really isn't spoken about a lot.
Watching this as a small time content creator, it’s so encouraging to hear about Matt’s courage and determination to stick to what he knew what right for him. At such a heavy cost in the social media culture of today, he made some HUGE moves. Amazing. We love the content we make as it is centered around helping others but I hope I have that same courage if stepping back ever becomes necessary in the future. Great interview!
Missed watching Matt on screen! I couldn’t relate a video more, I love to have deep heartfelt conversations more than partying, I’m quite sensitive when it comes to emotions and try my best not to upset anyone( learning to get over my people pleasing behaviour), I love talking to people in real life and have so much of social anxiety at the same time, and keep deleting my Instagram over and over again, and overthink quite a lot. But recently being spiritual and meditating has helped me set myself free and forgiving
totally relate to the depersonalization/derealization conversation - I appreciated when Matt brought this up on Impaulsive a while back. The best way to explain depersonalization is when you meet a celebrity or are surprised and you start questioning - is this a dream, is this real, etc (except it's the opposite connotation and you're kind of stuck there). Derealization, it's a mild form of visual symptoms - including eye floaters, stars/little dots of light in your vision, static vision (like an old TV), and a lot of resonance images (when you look at something and you blink thereafter, it resonates in your field of view). Ultimately, the visual cluster of symptoms can be categorized as a mild visual experiences a kin to those on psychedelics. The only way I found myself out of it was to realize it was a function of focus/attention and ultimately the only way to move on with shifting that attention was to develop a self-referential framework in the context of my identity, etc. It's a very bizarre experience, but there is hope for anyone struggling with it
I didn’t discover yes theory until after he left. But I’ve go back and watched every single ep of yes theory since the beginning. Love you Matt and all the guys with yes theory and seek discomfort. Happy you’re doing good
I love Matt’s ways of expressing himself and honest vulnerability. Living in multiple countries and even working with some of his friends in LA, in retrospect, I think the hustle American mentality seems like it isn’t good environment for him (and myself tbh). Especially in the business and YT world, being sensitive and caring a lot doesn’t lend itself to feeling good like other jobs and industries. He’s a super smart and driven person, and excited to see what he does not as part of Yes Theory, but as Matt Dajer. Rooting for you if you ever read this 🎉
Hi Nathan, I've seen some of your videos on this channel and your other one, and I have to say that this interview with Matt was the viewing experience that was singularly enriching: the frankness, sensitivity and intelligence put forth by both of you on a range of topics -- but especially the work, fame and identity distorsion that comes with UA-cam success -- was resonating. It was everything a literary salon exchange should be, and it shows the value of in-depth interviewing of someone who has put thought and emotional investment into their path, conducted by someone who's lived the same experience.
Wow i never knew. I’m 20 now and struggled with dpdr and anxiety for a few years after falling into a cycle from panic attacks. Only this last year have I properly understood the mechanics of it and how to overcome it and it has worked. I am getting my life back and i’ve signed up for my first half marathon (great north run). Matt you were a massive motivation and so inspiring for me, thank you for everything
I loved this interview between the two of you. It was nice to hear how Matt took the time he needed to take care of himself, I'm glad he has found some peace. ❤
This is a fantastic conversation lads, really enjoyed the honesty and vulnerability. As a fan of Yes Theory it’s great to hear from Matt, I’m glad he’s in such a good place now. I’ve suffered a lot with illness in the past few years. It’s taken my fledgling career away from me, and robbed me of my mid 20s. Before I got ill I was working on many projects (many baskets) which likely contributed to my poor health. The suffering has given me a much better understanding of what’s important in life, and as you said I have more empathy for other people now.
This touched my soul at so many moments. So happy that you guys share those vulnerable and very specific thoughts, feelings, and scenarios that we think no one else relates to. Really good!
I could grab a chair and join the conversation with how accurate I can relate to all of this. I don’t know a lot of people that have experience with derealization, yet the guy that I’ve been watching for years had it too without me ever knowing that. The maturity and knowledge that’s spread while being so playful with it is amazing. Matt, if you read this let’s get in touch. Would love to talk to you about some interesting topics. I think we could share some knowledge with each other. Hands down one of THE best podcast episodes I’ve ever listened to.
I appreciate this refreshing conversation! Thank you, Makes me want to face my fears and be more honest and vulnerable with myself. It is great what you both are doing and bringing to this world! ✨🙏
This literally hit home so hard. I feel this to my core. Trying to use instagram to build a brand but its so consuming that its not worth it! Also Nathaniel I feel you on needing that space from people. So glad I can relate to someone else on that!
As an OG fan of yes theory it's so nice to see Matt and hear him talk about his journey as an individual
precisely my thoughts so I will refrain from posting the same comment haha
I never knew, when did he left yes theory? Last I heard was he moved to writing section (off camera)....
@@beingfakira from what I know he is still part of yes theory but he decided to stop appearing in videos.
Yeah I always thought he’d come back after finishing the book.
I know it seems like to “Seek Discomfort” we need to do the outrageous thing, the crazy thing, the world-traveling, thrill-seeking thing. BUT what Matt did was also Seeking Discomfort! Sometimes making the hard decision to do what’s right for you and persevering through it is just as hard and is exactly what yes theory is about!! 👏🏻
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS! For a very long time I have been saying this to myself That seeking discomfort means so many different things and at times, it means seating down with a book at home instead of going out and seeking thrilling adventures.
Yup. Saying no.
@David Holaday hahaha, funny.
Yeah as much as I was inspired by Yes Theory I did want and at the same time couldn't imagine how stressful it would be to be one of these guys doing these things. At some point you would realise the need to be grounded and find yourself. Some goals are meant to be reached with lessons in time.
@@davidholaday2817 Maybe there is room for No Theory
It sounds like it took a lot of courage to step back from Yes Theory, and I commend Matt on recognizing that certain aspects of his life were causing discomfort in a way that wasn’t helpful for him. I like how y’all discussed that sometimes removing things from your life is what is needed to grow. I appreciated the vulnerability in this episode!
Seek discomfort?
@@Ar-ob1gz 😂
@@Ar-ob1gz bro, savage🔥
I wish I had friends like this to have deep conversations. I relate to this so much. Love the vulnerability and chill convo.
same ! he said at one point that they were spending s lot of time together passed few days and I'm thinking ... how cool is that
(1) That’s one of the things Yes Fam is great for.
(2) Diana meet Nabil. Nabil, Diana. You both seem to want friends to have deep conversations with… I think we see where this is going 😬
find new friends i would say
Lets connect then😊 not in a creepy way ..connect spiritually and help each other mentally
For me those friendships with deep conversations started as soon as I started saying what I really thought or felt instead of what I thought I was supposed to say. I started making instant connections with people - it was pretty amazing. As soon as you start showing up as yourself, people can finally see you ... if you want friendships with deep conversations, show your depth and your loving heart with everyone you meet - not everyone will be on your wavelength, but you'll attract the ones who are :)
7:22 - 31 years old now. Started Yes Theory at 23
11:00 - Inner anxiety
13:00 - Describing Anxiety
13:40 - Enterpreneurship to fill the hole
16:40 - HSP Drew's Family
18:00 - Content creation feeling unsustainable
20:00 - Emotional maturity needed for Content creation
20:30 - Replacing party kid to workaholic. THE VOID
Here's a very gentle piece of constructive criticism - it seems like you connect with people by sharing your similar stories/shared experiences. This can be great in real world conversations (although, some people don't love this kind of communication style). However, in the context of an interview, this approach detracts from your guest being fully heard. Maybe have a special episode where you're being interviewed so that you can talk about yourself, but when interviewing others, just stay silent and let them speak their piece. If your response absolutely requires an anecdote to lead to a question, fine, but otherwise, leave that out. I recommend watching the host of The Diary of a CEO to see how to strike that balance. All that said, you seem like a genuinely sweet and smart guy, and you have interesting things to say. But for an interview, I think it would really elevate your content to take a back seat.
I’ve also touched on this in a comment, but you’ve put it much more eloquently :)
I would also recommend Dan Harris - 10 percent happier podcast. He's such a good host
I'm SO HAPPY someone who 'made it' is FINALLY being candid about having the courage to let it go for the sake of sanity. Bravo Matt, and can't wait to see what this brings for you moving forward- also massive thanks for being so open and vulnerable, I'm sure that also takes a lot of courage.
Nathaniel, so happy you got Matt to this, one constructive feedback, please leave more room for the other person, you interrupted sometimes Matt when he was sharing his story and interrupted the flow of the convo and sometimes talked about your story and took away from Matt’s story. Ur doing a great job though :)
Matt has always come across as the most authentic member of yes theory. I love them all but Matt was always a stand out, I don’t blame him for his decision though. Being on camera seems like my own personal hell and I know he’s going to do huge things anyways 🙏
Honestly!! Yes theory is just not the same, he seemed the most genuine one out of them.
That’s the thing. He doesn’t want to be doing huge things. Sometimes it’s better for you to not do huge things, or to do nothing.
I GASPED and RAN to this as soon as I saw it! This episode is especially beautiful because you can see that Matt is a good listener so he asks really good questions which makes this a great conversation to listen to. I also remember hearing 'depersonalization' for the first time when Matt talked about it and when I googled it, everything in my life made sense! I've also been on my journey since then discovering that I'm also a sensitive person who's anxious. So Matt, you've had bigger impact on people than you know, you're literally changing lives. I'M SO HYPED FOR THE BOOK ALWAYS IM ROOTING FOR YOU MY GUYYY
Thank you for sharing this. I turned 20 a few days ago and while listening, I found myself relating to many aspects of this conversation. I appreciate the wisdom and guidance in reminding me to slow down and to enjoy these moments
Happy belated birthday Max! love your content and love watching you grow as a person!
This is truly how you seek discomfort, having these vulnerable feelings and conversations. So much of what our world needs. Such pure intentional content. So much wisdom and honesty. Sensitivity is a beautiful thing and more men should embrace those sides of them, that don’t make them weaker in any way, it is so attractive and powerful. Too much misconceptions and stigmas around sensitive people. I also read the book, The Highly Sensitive Person by - Elaine N. Aron, who also wrote The Highly Sensitive Person in Love. I resonate so much with you Matt and Nathaniel, on a very deep level. I am with joy of the belief, that we can shift society perspectives for the better, with people like you sharing your stories! So wholehearted and thought provoking in all the right ways!!! Genuine, thoughtful, caring about the community, of how connected we all are!!! How we value creation and the parallel impacts we cannot ignore. Please HMU if you are ever in Toronto - I’d love to pick your brains! Less egos, more amigos🫶
if Matt comes to a podcast after years offline, please let him speak
Loved the ‘castle’ bit 😁🤣
Indeed :S
Nathaniel is too in love with his own voice to let guests speak more than him.
Loved listening to Matt! Yes Theory is one of the best channels I've ever found. I hope the interviewer can learn to stop interrupting so much, Matt was so patient with being cut off so often
Agree...
I found Yes Theory in 2019 after I lost my daughter. I was in a really bad head space. They helped me so much. Matt has always been one of my favorites. I was so sad when he left.
I still watch them. They are all amazing. I’m so sadden to hear the struggle he’s gone through. I had anxiety and panic attacks while pregnant from previous pregnancy losses. So I understand that dissociating.
We have such high standards for people these days and it’s causing so many issues.
Now as a mom of a daughter. I can see how parenting has such an impact on our mental health. I’m learning so much about my childhood and how messed up it was and how it’s affected me now as an adult. I now have knowledge to change that for my daughter.
Well done for recognizing that and making a difference in your daughter’s life.
It's awesome hearing men talking about sensitivity. Thanks guys, a lot of people need to hear this!
I see that in my channel analytics 😅 70 % females are watching our podcasts.
I did not know that Matt actually "quit" Yes Theory. The way they had explained his departure was that he would still be working on Yes Theory projects, but doing so mostly behind the scenes. And also working on his book. Hope he will still be connected. Their friendship is so inspiring.
The healthiest and happiest people I’ve met live like it’s 1975. I’ve never had the impression people heavily into social media are mentally balanced. The more they talk about living their best life , it feels like a hopeful affirmation and not a reality. Makes sense why so many celebrities go BONKERS. We’re not meant to exist with so many eyes on us.
1,000%
"We’re not meant to exist with so many eyes on us" oh so true!
I’ve been waiting for this episode since you very first teased it. Matt was such an incredible member of Yes Theory. He always came across as genuinely kind and sincere. It’s sad to hear how he struggled throughout his experiences and just another reminder that even the most outgoing and happy seeming individuals have internal struggles we know nothing about. Always be kind.
While I loved this interview, my only (small) criticism would be that you didn’t allow Matt to finish his thoughts. Perhaps because you’re close friends, the conversation flows naturally and it’s easy to cut someone off, but it felt like he would be getting into a deep and detailed story only to be interrupted. I just wish we could have finished some of those stories. But I mean no offense. It’s a beautiful interview and I truly find this podcast inspirational.
I agree, I feel like Matt was in the middle of his sentence and Nathaniel would follow up with another question without letting him finish or interrupt him, I thought it was kind of irritating but no shade Nathaniel! Like Amanda said, maybe in the moment the conversation is flowing and you have many questions that you'd like to ask, but it would have been great to hear the rest of whatever Matt wanted to say. Still enjoyed the episode though, great stuff
Because ND is a narcissitic person
Crazy - I've watched a ton of Yes Theory vids and always enjoyed Matt's chilled, friendly vibe. Never knew he suffered from anxiety. I'll support whatever he does next/moving forward.
I cant believe I get to see Matt again, this dude literally got me out of my chair every episode he was on. Motivated and helped!
Loved this episode! One small thing, maybe try to interrupt less, I listen to other podcasts and it’s really nice to hear the each person’s full thoughts.
I agree! I often felt like Matt started something and we ended up on a tangent on Nathaniel
I agree, I tend to interupt in conversation because I get excited about the subject or want to relate with the person while its fresh in my mind, but it's important to let them finish.
@@maraedriley6794 I do this too without realizing! My husband is often frustrated by this! I am trying to change!
Thank God it's not only me feeling disturbed how Nathaniel did this interview. Less interruption and he needs to listen more.
YES. Fierce feedback here. Listen to this man
I find so incredible the fact that Matt doesn't consider himself made for UA-cam and at the same time, my all-time favorite UA-cam video is Matt's Iron Man journey. It inspires me in moments I need extra motivation to keep going. Thank you Matt and thank you Yes Theory for the contribution you have brought to my life so I can live now a life of freedom, purpose, and travel.
matt is so well spoken. seems like a genuine friend and has a noticeably calm demeanor now. glad he's doing better and look forward to seeing what he does next
The authenticity Nathaniel brings to everything he does is mind-blowing. I've been following this kid for years now, and he never ceases to amaze me. I truly wish you the absolute best, man. OUTSTANDING & INSPIRING!
Matt was my favourite from the Yes Theory gang and listening him after a long time was so nice.
I'm only 40 minutes in but man this is such a good interview. The part about Matt trying to figure out who he is and coming to terms that he is in fact sensitive hit home. Honestly it made me cry because I felt seen and heard on a level that is not easy to come by. So thank you both for this podcast and I hope Matt continues to grow on a personal level!
Please do a part 2 when the book comes out. I feel like there so much left for us to learn and be said. Thank you for having him on and so grateful he was so vulnerable. 😅😮
I LOVE Nathaniel's personal channel so much and found a lot of value from this deep conversation but I found myself so frustrated that Matt could never finish a full thought because Nathan kept interrupting his points!!! Other than that, this was an awesome and thought-provoking conversation.
WE LOVE YOU MATT! So happy to see you healthy and well. This shows us to do what is good for US no matter what anyone thinks ❤️
God I miss Matt so much in Yes Theory. The rest are great and I'm still a subscriber and all of that, it's just that Matt's actions and reactions were so relatable that I'm missing that.
Matt feels the most authentic version of himself here - not trying to be anyone he’s not for the camera and for the likes, just a sensitive, funny and genuine conversation about mental health and the journey that is your 20s. I’m in a similar situation and finally feel like I’ve reached the same point and really admire the self-work he has clearly done over the last 2 years. The social media-free life is the way forward!
I remember being one of the earliest subscribers to Yes Theory. It's amazing to see how big they have become. I also respect his decisions. Making video's shouldn't feel forced or uncomfortable in any way.
Only halfway through, saving the other half for my work out tomorrow but wanted to just say how awesome it was to see men talk to each other the way you did in this episode. I can see the care you have for one another and it’s really heart warming. Thanks for sharing so openly. ❤
I'm an old fan of yes theory and i really like the things they did and still do, but it's nice listening to a person who wasn't feeling good with the lifestyle. Each person is different and needs different things, and we have to acknowledge that
Love to see Matt again and glad he’s opening up about his experience. Been following Yes Theory and was so sad that Matt is no longer on screen.
I met Matt one time. he changed my life. and the way he interacted with chatting with me. I mean I will never be the same, I am forever changed. this man is so wonderful and just as you see him here. :,) a kind, loving, compassionate, human, that makes other humans feel so seen and heard and loved.
OMG you met Jesus xD
@@dorotheuszrz.4531 hahahah that's what it feels like LOL
@@MelanieHeart LOL xD Lame
@@dorotheuszrz.4531 thanks
This is the best podcast I've come across in a while! With so many podcasts out nowadays, it's so nice to listen to one where it feels like a true conversation among friends rather than an interview, plus with actual valuable insight that are more down to earth. I might even listen to this one again in a month or so bc I'm sure I'll pick up even more from the conversation
I can't believe this is the way I found out I was going through depersonalization disorder also at 19, it was exactly as Matt describes it, I'm really sorry you went through that man, it's extremely weird and agonizing to feel that you're not in control of your life, even if it's just a feeling that lasts minutes, that experience never goes away, much love, hope you're doing okay. Thank you so much Nathan for bringing such an amazing guest!
Being a sensitive person- so relatable! I also pushed myself out of my comfort zone until I couldn’t anymore - now I see it was to “prove” to “everyone” that I wasn’t sensitive.
I was evaluated for autism last year and received a diagnosis. Now I embrace it and give myself space to be me and unwind. Such a different life. You’re doing a good job Matt, not that my opinion truly matters. ❤️
I'm here because of the Colin and Samir podcast. I really appreciate the openness of this conversation, but I just wish you (Nathaniel) hadn't interrupted Mat so much.
Please don't think I'm hating, I'm not, more constructive criticism if you'll accept that.
I just wanted to hear where some of those sentences were going to go, but we didn't get the chance.
However, thank you for making this video - some really important topics and much honesty 🙏🏼
So happy to see Matt again. I feel his experience deeply and I applaud his strength to be able to share his story.
Woah. So pleased about this episode already. I’ve been thinking about Matt for the past couple of days while seeing videos from Yes Theory. So so excited!
I got off Instagram 2 years ago and i feel like my life slowed down immediately. It's better now and I've been considering getting back on, and controlling my time extremely. But im not sure if its worth the risk. So this conversation was very good for me! Thank you.
no, probably not worth it. think about, people put random stuff on the grid just to get validated. is pointless info. is not going to do anything to your life. so is best to just not be in there.
It's not worth it.
This podcast was exactly what I needed. I actually like the format of both people talking more too, it’s more of a conversation than a storytelling session, and I got a lot more value out of it because of that.
Such an insightful story that Matt has to share.. and whilst Nathaniel was showing how eveything that Matt had to say reflected in his own experience, I feel like this was the listener's part and should have been left to the listener. I could tell how centred Matt is because he never seemed to be bothered and I don't think he was even though the conversation was supposed to be about him after all! So kudos to Matt
Learning about HSP was a huge relief for me 13 years ago in the mid of my burn out. Follow the path, Matt, it is such a great help to find who you really are.
This is what I have. Wow. I have been trying to figure it out
Been loving the pod Nathaniel! Just a friendly observation, I like when you are sitting closer to your guest, if makes the conversation feel more intimate and the viewer more involved. Been a fan of your work for years and loving you exploring this path!
This was such a deep and profound conversation to sit in on. I'm 29 and I've had a lot of similar realizations as Matt (just without that level of success, lol). The value of subtraction is so real.
Saying no to a lot so I can say yes fully to the stuff that's important to me.
Sifting my motives to figure out if what I do is just hustling for love and affirmation, or really an overflow of my real values spilling out into the world.
Being present and grateful in a culture, especially social media, that screams "MORE, BIGGER, BETTER." In that kind of culture, rest is rebellion.
Wishing you guys the best for finding joy and fulfillment in this journey of life.
Beautifully said❤
We went from having Matt interviewed on the episode to Matt interviewing Nathaniel real quick.
Dude let Matt speak.
Having a time out clearly shows dividends, Matt’s presentation of himself on this podcast is brilliant. It’s as if he knew going away for a while would make him bigger.
So much respect for him
"You feel like you don't belong to this world. So what better way to exist than to create your own world" This sentence made me understand why I am actually creating so much stuff. Thank you!
I adore this man. When Matt left Yes Theory I was so proud of him, I wasn't even sad he left because I struggle with mental illness and A LOT of anxiety so as soon as I heard he was leaving I thought "I don't blame him".
I hope he can come back in a healthy way, though, because I miss his energy. I can see what a fantastic human being he is, as are all of the Yes Theory team and all of the Yes Fam ❤
Matt seems so calm, collected, almost wise! You can tell how he grew from making these decisions. I'm also feeling very vulnerable at the moment, a lot is changing in my life right now, I may move to the UK, I may lose my job as a translator/editor soon. Had my first actual panic attack last week (and only realised now how inflationary I had used the term 'panic attack' before that) and realised I need to change some things in my life. Matt's calmness and determination really help me feel braver in my current situation.
I’m only a few minutes in but it’s fantastic to hear from Matt again. He seems to be in a great place.
I completely agree w/ how social media is like a toxic relationship. I recently deactivated my account and it has been the best in not comparing or feeling the need to post. I found it freeing to fly under the radar.
Matt was definitely my favorite
I've suffered from DP in the past and luckily have gotten through it but it's such a niche thing nobody takes about. Very encouraging to hear matt talk about it
Wow, how wonderful to see Matt again and hear his inspiring story!
Thank you, Nathaniel and Matt both being so opened. I have social anxiety too, and most people do not understand it. I’m so glad that I’m not alone with it. Even tho I’m not a UA-camr of some sort, but I do feel the anxiousness as well. If anyone feel the same, you are not alone ❤
Intensely addictive…That is precisely how social media was built! Don’t go back Matt! You have detoxed from this mental heroine! Set your hand to the plow and keep your eyes forward! You got this!!!
Such a wonderful in depth conversation! Thank you for sharing your vulnerabilities with the world. We miss Matt but are so happy he’s putting his mental health first!
PS- I would’ve loved to hear Matt talk a little more. It kinda felt like every time he was about to get somewhere, Nathanial got excited and took over the conversation. I do the same thing sometimes so I get it but just a pointer for the future!
Nathaniel! If you want your podcasts to come across as more intimate, don't sit all the way across the table from them! It would be easier to connect with guests and make the podcast more personable if you and your guest were sitting closer to one another. Think about it like this: when good friends are sitting down to have a conversation, where do you seat yourselves? All the way on opposite ends of the table? Or in the middle where you're closer to one another and it's easier to engage.
Starting off with a genuine compliment like that was really nice and so relaxing in its own right for us viewers.
Maaaaatttttt! We missed you,man. Good to hear you and see you again. Again, as always, so many nuggets of wisdom to take from this. I can relate with social media. Ive been off it for 9years i think already ☺️
I always wonder where my ability to disconnect is from but when I hear stories like this, I just become amazed and grateful. Disconnecting from social media has never been a problem for me... I can get sucked in an IG/FB/Twt hole for a day but then I won't have that same itch the next day...yknow? I don't have the feel of being on it 24/7, 7days etc....I can go on for months without checking in on my socmeds...The mind is a really powerful tool.
You hit on such a thought provoking point. On our purpose is not to prove anything. Living out your values and answer questions when they come up in our relationships really is what it seems to be.
I gotta say .. as a first time viewer to the pod I found this content really powerful stuff. Really genuine and real discussions and unique. We often don't think how difficult it must be to project and maintain an image to hundreds of thousands, even millions of people.
Holy shit, Matt is back online! I missed him so much. Can't wait to watch the whole episode
I related to a lot of this. The part about removing things from your life and shedding like a snake - I feel like I’m starting on that path now. Or having done “it” so now there’s nothing left to prove. Sooo much greatness in this conversation.
This speaks to me on so many levels. I recently retrieved from being an advanced care paramedic. My coworkers often joke we all suffer from stolkholm syndrome. When your in it you do it but when you have a moment to sit back you realize how actually crazy and effed up it is.
I've learnt so much from Matt in the last one month of stalking him. His honesty is something I wish to achieve. God bless others going through anxiety too 🙌🏼❤
As much as I love all of the Yes Theory founders and creators, I always thought Matt was my favourite (I have been following them since 2017). Just his kind gentleness alongside his sense of adventure and honestly just his personality - I could relate to him the most. I totally respected his decision to step back; it almost made me like him more even though I miss his video presence. If I can afford it (I'm a broke student over here), I will definitely buy his book! Thank you Matt for sharing all of this! Seek discomfort but not to the overall detriment of your mental and/or physical health :)
Edit: I am now listening to this further. I completely understand the anxiety, and even more so the depersonalization. It is horrendous. Thank you for opening up about this, as it really isn't spoken about a lot.
Watching this as a small time content creator, it’s so encouraging to hear about Matt’s courage and determination to stick to what he knew what right for him. At such a heavy cost in the social media culture of today, he made some HUGE moves. Amazing. We love the content we make as it is centered around helping others but I hope I have that same courage if stepping back ever becomes necessary in the future. Great interview!
Missed watching Matt on screen!
I couldn’t relate a video more, I love to have deep heartfelt conversations more than partying, I’m quite sensitive when it comes to emotions and try my best not to upset anyone( learning to get over my people pleasing behaviour), I love talking to people in real life and have so much of social anxiety at the same time, and keep deleting my Instagram over and over again, and overthink quite a lot. But recently being spiritual and meditating has helped me set myself free and forgiving
Loved this conversation. Low key makes me think twice about staying on Instagram
totally relate to the depersonalization/derealization conversation - I appreciated when Matt brought this up on Impaulsive a while back. The best way to explain depersonalization is when you meet a celebrity or are surprised and you start questioning - is this a dream, is this real, etc (except it's the opposite connotation and you're kind of stuck there). Derealization, it's a mild form of visual symptoms - including eye floaters, stars/little dots of light in your vision, static vision (like an old TV), and a lot of resonance images (when you look at something and you blink thereafter, it resonates in your field of view). Ultimately, the visual cluster of symptoms can be categorized as a mild visual experiences a kin to those on psychedelics. The only way I found myself out of it was to realize it was a function of focus/attention and ultimately the only way to move on with shifting that attention was to develop a self-referential framework in the context of my identity, etc. It's a very bizarre experience, but there is hope for anyone struggling with it
Matt always was my favorite yes theory member
Love you Nathaniel, but dude I wish you would have let Matt speak more.
So true
I didn’t discover yes theory until after he left. But I’ve go back and watched every single ep of yes theory since the beginning.
Love you Matt and all the guys with yes theory and seek discomfort. Happy you’re doing good
I love Matt’s ways of expressing himself and honest vulnerability. Living in multiple countries and even working with some of his friends in LA, in retrospect, I think the hustle American mentality seems like it isn’t good environment for him (and myself tbh). Especially in the business and YT world, being sensitive and caring a lot doesn’t lend itself to feeling good like other jobs and industries. He’s a super smart and driven person, and excited to see what he does not as part of Yes Theory, but as Matt Dajer. Rooting for you if you ever read this 🎉
So excited to watch this !!! The Nathaniel and Matt duo was much needed 🧡
I miss Matt on Yes Theory chanel. He has such a different vibe than the other ones.
One of the most relatable conversations I've heard in regards to anxiety and "growing up" during your 20's to 30's. Thanks for the insights!
Hi Nathan, I've seen some of your videos on this channel and your other one, and I have to say that this interview with Matt was the viewing experience that was singularly enriching: the frankness, sensitivity and intelligence put forth by both of you on a range of topics -- but especially the work, fame and identity distorsion that comes with UA-cam success -- was resonating. It was everything a literary salon exchange should be, and it shows the value of in-depth interviewing of someone who has put thought and emotional investment into their path, conducted by someone who's lived the same experience.
Wow i never knew. I’m 20 now and struggled with dpdr and anxiety for a few years after falling into a cycle from panic attacks. Only this last year have I properly understood the mechanics of it and how to overcome it and it has worked. I am getting my life back and i’ve signed up for my first half marathon (great north run). Matt you were a massive motivation and so inspiring for me, thank you for everything
These words cut deep, honestly, I can relate to so many of the things you guys discussed and I'm just honestly so thankful for these wake up calls.
I loved this interview between the two of you. It was nice to hear how Matt took the time he needed to take care of himself, I'm glad he has found some peace. ❤
This is a fantastic conversation lads, really enjoyed the honesty and vulnerability. As a fan of Yes Theory it’s great to hear from Matt, I’m glad he’s in such a good place now.
I’ve suffered a lot with illness in the past few years. It’s taken my fledgling career away from me, and robbed me of my mid 20s. Before I got ill I was working on many projects (many baskets) which likely contributed to my poor health. The suffering has given me a much better understanding of what’s important in life, and as you said I have more empathy for other people now.
they way they used the word sensitive, and not as something negative was so new. Made me feel extremely seen.
This touched my soul at so many moments. So happy that you guys share those vulnerable and very specific thoughts, feelings, and scenarios that we think no one else relates to. Really good!
Mattt!!!! Good to see him again.. :)
I could grab a chair and join the conversation with how accurate I can relate to all of this. I don’t know a lot of people that have experience with derealization, yet the guy that I’ve been watching for years had it too without me ever knowing that. The maturity and knowledge that’s spread while being so playful with it is amazing.
Matt, if you read this let’s get in touch. Would love to talk to you about some interesting topics. I think we could share some knowledge with each other.
Hands down one of THE best podcast episodes I’ve ever listened to.
Matt was my favorite Yes Theory guy!
I'm so happy to see Matt again!
Wow cathartic didn’t realize I needed this and the timing couldn’t be better.
I love Matt...he has balls.
I appreciate this refreshing conversation! Thank you, Makes me want to face my fears and be more honest and vulnerable with myself. It is great what you both are doing and bringing to this world! ✨🙏
This literally hit home so hard. I feel this to my core. Trying to use instagram to build a brand but its so consuming that its not worth it! Also Nathaniel I feel you on needing that space from people. So glad I can relate to someone else on that!
So happy to see Matt. I wish him the best