Many people misunderstand game to be a suite of gimmicky tactics or the Machiavellian manipulation of another. While these exist, this is not what game truly is. Game is the ability to effectively seduce, and play is the essence of game. Play is neither frivolous nor silly. It is the ability to create a separate reality that is only accessible to the initiated and in which the objects of play come to assume special significance. This is the heart and soul of seduction, and anyone who can do this well has game. Join my community: the-captains-quarters.mn.co Buy my book, "The Value of Others" Ebook: amzn.to/460uGrA Audiobook: amzn.to/3YfFwbx Paperback: amzn.to/3xQuIFK Book a paid consultation: oriontarabanpsyd.com/consultations Subscribe to my newsletter: oriontarabanpsyd.com Social Media TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@oriontaraban Facebook: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090053889622 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/orion-taraban-070b45168/ Instagram: instagram.com/psyc.hacks Twitter: twitter.com/oriontaraban Website: oriontarabanpsyd.com Orion's Theme: ua-cam.com/video/WrXBzQ2HDEQ/v-deo.html Thinking of going to grad school? Check out STELLAR, my top-rated GRE self-study program based on the world's only empirically-validated test prep system. Use the code "PSYCH" for 10% off all membership plans: stellargre.com. Become a Stellar affiliate and earn a 10% commission for every membership purchased by a new student you conduct into the program: stellargre.tapfiliate.com. GRE Bites: www.youtube.com/@grebites4993 Become a Psychonaut and join PsycHack's member community: ua-cam.com/channels/SduXBjCHkLoo_y9ss2xzXw.htmljoin Sound mixing/editing by: valntinomusic.com Presented by Orion Taraban, Psy.D. PsycHacks provides viewers with a brief, thought-provoking video several days a week on a variety of psychological topics, inspired by his clinical practice. The intention is for the core idea contained within each video to inspire viewers to see something about themselves or their world in a slightly different light. The ultimate mission of the channel is to reduce the amount of unnecessary suffering in the world. #psychology #dating #play
I grew up with a guy that was a natural at this. He consistently punched above his weight. He was always able to “play” with any girl through lighthearted jokes, banter, and touch, in a subtle and overt ways that made her feel desired. It’s timeless and very effective. It turns any alpha competition into instant betas. It’s a talent and the highest level of game. Orion, please delve deeper into this topic!
Best friend from college was like this, and he got LAID. Not a bad looking guy, but certainly no Chad - 5'9", kinda skinny, Indian (dot-head, not casino and no accent). Pluses? He played the guitar and was in a band.
Do you HAVE to be good looking to score with women if you have good game? No. But if you are, it's 10x more effective, and the women you score with will be MUCH more attractive on average. There's no ONE thing that any guy can do to get all the girls. But every quality can either help or hurt his chances. For instance, I'm 6'2, in great shape, and good looking, ESPECIALLY for a bald guy. But I have next to no game. I've got good one liners here and there, but I've never mastered the art of seduction. I still get laid. A LOT. Many times with very pretty (but problematic) women. I get laid more than most guys I know who are short and average looking with great game. If they looked like me, I probably wouldn't get laid because they'd get every woman every time. If I had their level of game, no one else around me would be getting laid. There's so much that goes into it Women have it so easy. Don't let yourself get fat, and be easy going with a guy. And don't be a hoe. Boom, 95% of men want to marry you. Too bad most women can't get those 3 things right.
It explains things most guys don’t think about. I also learned a lot from reading a book called Celestial Soulmate by Lentlish. The book helped me understand women better and feel more confident. Combining tips from videos like this and the book really made a difference for me.
*A little eye contact, a warm smile, and mirroring their energy can create a powerful, magnetic vibe without needing to say much. Sometimes, it's the unspoken connection that does all the work!*
@ModernDatingMastery with all due respect, attraction doesn't happen in a vacuum. If you did all of those things you listed perfectly, but we're shorter, no style, out of shape...they would likely just make her think youre a creep. So, yes, they work. But not on anyone by anyone.
@@warrioratthewall1969 Let’s just say those tools work when you’re playing in your league. If you’re playing outside your league you’re going to have a tougher time. The message is to keep trying to get into a better league, hell, get into the best league you can, then see what you can do when you get to bat.
Just my interpretation of the video 1. adopt playful attitude 2. be willing to transgress polite boundaries 3. identify vain desires that are hidden beneath their persona 4. draw out those desires to the surface by guiding the imagination 5. further engage sincere fantasy roleplay in order to make the world disappear
@@Chud-mb7gl - Well eye contact is very important when you’re talking to women. I usually let them touch me first- on the arm or something that is an invitation to move forward. You can try it first if they are not doing it at the correct time. The big thing is your frame (do you know what I’m saying by frame?). You want to have a world she can walk into and play her apart in the scene. Liquor helps if short term. I don’t drink but not against them drinking… 🙄🎶🎵 Take some time to get to know them. You should be evaluating them to see if there is potential, or if there is enough there for a challenge/intrest. Because; they are, evaluating you. I will say be selective in relationships, you don’t know how long they will last. As your standards go up your eligible dating pool shrinks. Good luck 🍀 As you get better more opportunities present themselves. Have fun. 😎
My takeaway here is WAY less about play, and more about recognizing the inner glow people see / want to see in themselves, and fanning those flames. I’ve used this in teaching, sales, and networking. Need to apply it to dating.
Along with the main idea of all those self help books, articles, etc on the differences between men & women. They crave emotional experiences; change her mood, not solve her problem, and so on.
@@agcouperNah they'll crave chaos and negative emotions. Feelings of loss, grief, destruction of goodness etc. The whole spectrum; no matter the cost to themselves or people around them.
@@Chud-mb7gl This assumes you're attractive to her: Flirt. Say 'no'. Have boundaries. Don't bend the knee. Hold her accountable. Call her out. There's other more playful ways too but those work. She'll fight you at first but then she'll admire you.
Really? Because letting out our monkey nature sounds more natural and fun in my opinion. How about I act overtly playful and not give a F what anyone thinks. Probably peak attraction in that
It’s stupid. And wastes time. If people just came out and admitted whether or not they liked each other and what they each desired from the other person……things would be much simpler and efficient
This is true in strong friendships. Some people are talented at seeing fragments of what you believe to be your ideal self. They celebrate you and make you feel like you can be more than you have been. You become drawn to their company because they make you feel how to want to feel about yourself.
I like the fact that it contrasts with the shirt worn in the pitch for the book. I've already bought the book and read it cover to cover, so I feel justified in fast-forwarding through the pitch. And by the way, I don't usually pay so much for a paperback, but this one was worth it. I didn't agree with everything in it, but I could see the author had put in a lot of effort thinking about his assertions, and it was clearly well-reasoned. So even after reading it, I would still say it's thought-provoking. And for the places where I disagreed with the author's assertions, I've found them all testable hypotheses. That's given me a chance to have some fun observing people (and myself) through lenses I don't typically use. If I always have the portrait lens on the camera, I miss a few things I might get with the fisheye.
That was a fantastic perspective. I have spent the last few years of my life investing my social life in warm communities where it feels like a "village" of sorts (where everyone knows everyone and through different connections too). The guys thriving with women in such warm communities can be better understood through the perspective of this episode rather than the lenses of the red pill alpha male. It's more sustainable. More sincere. It works much better in warmer circles where you tend to build a reputation for yourself that lives in the hivemind (especially in the women hivemind as they're master gossipers compared to us men who are lousy gossipers by comparison). Women in such tight-net social circles collectively fall most for the guys that make them feel special (AKA, seen the way they want to be seen, as Orion explained), more than anything else. That was a great take.
I realized this early on in my life, women are truly slaves to the hivemind and when they rebel or forsake it to gain independence from it they cannot avoid suffering the consequences of doing so (isolation, being outcasted, anxiety, depression, fomo, mental stress, paranoia, fear of being assaulted/exploited, bullying, etc.) since the hivemind functions both as a safety net and a ruthless overlord inside/outside them, for any man that wants a particular woman you first must *seduce the hivemind* in order to get her, and the only way to do so is with good reputation and charm, otherwise your only prospects will be the outcasts or trying with a different hivemind/social circle. A good thing that happens in our modern society is that because we live mostly in cities surrounded by a lot a strangers instead of villages with few people, including the rise in secularity, technology and the internet have weakened the hivemind, making it more fragmented and less influential than a few decades ago so we, the men of this generation can enjoy casual sex, premarital sex, having rosters, side pieces, ONS, etc. without having to commit to a particular woman and without the approval of their peers, parents or belief system, of course it has also made the current date scene/sexual marketplace a complete chaos but that's a tricky subject I'm too lazy to discuss...
36 yo male here. I never understood why some people stop “playing” I could pencil spaceship all day with a kid! Use another shorter pencil or ruler for wings, bend some paper clips for landing gear etc. However I am realizing that when I was in debt, and did not have my finances in order, or my room, or relationships, that it would have been difficult to play.
Playing with women and play with children Lego or drawing are completely different. I agree with the analogy. It just mean lie to women. Years of talking to them failing and trying shit......even when I was hitting game righteously it still fails. Only times are when I ACTED like a movie role, aka lie to them.
❤ your comment is wonderful. Really improvised Argentine Tango is such a kind of dance, its almost a visualisation of a seductive dialogue within the framework of the rules of this dance...and even those rules a subject to the game...
I've Latin danced for 10 years, stiff flowing smooth dialed in. Even when your years better at the dance it doesn't matter. You still have to lie to them.
I almost agree. I think that rather than trying to taylor my playing to another individual, I'll just have fun and whoever likes the game can play along, or otherwise move along. Honestly, the more I listen to you, the more I realize I'm already enough.
That’s another option, you play your song and if someone likes it they come, but well, most songs are not popular, so don’t expect too much if yours isn’t
Also referred to as "Charisma". Watch a few compilations of Craig Ferguson and how he plays with female guests on his show. The very cheeky grin, quick-wit, etc shows how much women at least have fun with people like Craig.
You do realise they 'laugh' with Conan as well, don't you? He's /was the most unfunniest guy, with a fake laugh - but, they put on their show-mask - as they need(ed) him for selling their product/movie/themselves.
This is great advice, really. I exchanged some comments with an attractive mature female youtuber and she insisted a lot on how she needed to feel "chosen" by the man, not like a random piece of meat. So, she goes on how she wants men to care about stuff males don't care about when choosing a partner. She wants to be seen in a certain way. She doesn't care about how men really are or what do men want, she just cares about them playing the fantasy she has or you don't get play time. Period. So, what do I think overall? It's all so tiresome. I don't want to be fake and I don't want to be "loved" for being fake either. I don't want to be involved. Any young woman has tens or hundreds of online men already telling her what she wants to hear, trying to play. Why would I want to do the same, when I don't even feel like it? Get fit, get money, dress well, drive a nice car... just improove, bro. After that, just play pretend and never ever be yourself... and then, maybe you can create a family, but you won't ever be loved, it's just the resources you provide and/or your fake self. I wonder why men are leaving society in droves (delf-deletion, leaving the workforce, leaving university, not dating, self-isolation, drugs, videogames...). Maybe... this whole "gameplay" feels more like an existential torture for men today?
Yea this relations is tough for young men. I went into life and relationships thinking I want long term love. Been in 2 3 year long relationships with beautiful women wnd eventually there are always problems with hypergamy, lust, cheating, jealousy, arguments. the sex is good while it last for years but the love does not stay? Please why
As a young male who is checked out of the modern Western dating, I share the same sentiments and the reason you listed is why I am checked out. I dont want to pretend to be someone I'm not because eventually when the charade falls apart, the woman will quickly notice and will soon leave you because of the act you've put up with since the first day you've met her as fallen apart. Would rather have her love me for me and not whom she thinks/wants of me.
I’m an old married man. Been with my wife for 40 years. When you find the right girl, none of this feels like putting on an act. My wife really is an amazing woman in my eyes. She’s everything I could have dreamed about wanting. And she feels the same way about me. None of this is hard to maintain because it’s how we really feel about each other. As hard as it is, you just gotta find the right person for you and it will all be effortless
Yes!!!! This is gold. It is so true that play is a seducer. I have used it and have been used by it and it is an experience you never forget. My husband and I live in our play, it is a world that we live in everyday and I cannot imagine ever leaving this world. He has trapped me. He's clever.
Seduction does not need to be thought of as negative or evil. Being seduced can be viewed as being taken into a private playful experience. One has to feel competent in control over one’s own life and life’s choices. You can’t possibly enjoy seduction if you are victim minded. And it helps to believe in the goodness of others.
@ I understand your post. But just like I refuse to study body language that claims to expose liars, I believe in the goodness of others . I’m 70 and I’ve had an enjoyable life with risk, adventure, some injury but overall a wonderful time. But everyone else is entitled to their own approach to life.
Holy moly. THIS WAS A FREE VIDEO ? I don’t think people truly understand how powerful of a lesson this was ?! This is a Phd in NARRATIVE in less than 12 mins.
@Vexed711 seriously this, what's the point in talking in riddles instead of providing and example, it's not like he would have insulted our intelligence
@@Chud-mb7glyou have already insulted your intelligence by calling this video a "zero useful knowledge" stuff. 😂 If you can't read in between the lines, you deserve to be insulted.
Orion is the man, I love how he breaks things down and explains things, he is the guy! He is one of my chosen teachers, everyone should listen to him and even repeat his lessons 🙏
@@Chud-mb7gl Life has no inherent meaning. We escape nihilism by playing pretend. Everything other than the direct reproduction of the species is an elaborate game, and the keys to that game are compassion and empathy, not because you're a simp, but to freely give the one resource that will always be in demand: an escape from existential dread.
@@Chud-mb7gl Challenge accepted! 1. We are in constant pain due to anxiety of not knowing what's next. This is existential dread (hint: it's the fear of death in disguise). 2. We want to fill that void with predictive models. To gaslight ourselves into certainty by playing pretend games because the only reality is what is happening in the present moment. 3. Thus, we all start our day in an emotional debt. (Dr. Orion Taraban's views are strongly influenced by behavioral economics which means thought/feelings/actions act like money) 4. So, if everyone is in debt, that means women are in debt too. They want various currencies from men in an attempt to pay off this debt. Currencies that bring a sense of certainty like wealth, status, physical attractiveness, etc. All of these currencies are exchanged based on the stories they contribute to, the ideas in women's heads regarding what they believe will relieve them of their emotional debt. 5. So they want to be paid in physically tangible currencies, but our ability to earn/have those currencies are limited by their tangibility. Things like our genetics, our upbringing, environment, circumstances, obey the laws of physics. Even if you can control them, they still take time and energy. 6. Then someone comes along and invents seduction. Seduction is so effective because it goes straight to the source and costs almost nothing: stories. All of the things women believe they want are just promises that a good enough story replaces the emptiness in their hearts. 7. To tell the right story, you need to know your audience. Hence compassion and empathy are the tools with the highest ROI and a relatively low physical cost. According to some perspectives, our hearts have an infinite capacity for compassion and empathy. 8. To liberate another human from existential dread is one of the greatest gifts you can give. Afterwards, if you want to barter for a blowjob in exchange, the price is likely miniscule in comparison.
Game is just sales. When done properly, everyone feels they got what they wanted. And sales, sales is just banter. Banter, when done well, is just riding your bicycle in the rain, at play. Always aim for the big puddles. Your feet might get wet, but it's a hell of a ride.
I reject the notion that a guy trying to get laid is, "At a woman's expense." If she gives him what he wants, then he must have given her something she wants too. Women act like it's at their expense if they aren't given EVERYTHING they want, but the fact is that they got enough of SOMETHING to say yes to the sex.
I'm not a player and have had very few sexual partners in my long life (to be precise, only two). That said, I can honestly say I have had women throw themselves at me sexualmente because, like you said, there's a low threshold for them to want to have sex. I have had far more requests for sex than I have actually exploited.
Just like the Hindu’s life is a drama or Shakespeare’s “the world is a stage….” and Oscar Wildes “life imitates art”. All very true and understood by Orion whose background in acting and psychology really makes him a master at this. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
Notice how he wore his crazy palm frond shirt when talking about play but then switiched to his hardworking but successful salesman white shirt and tie when he wanted to sell his book? Ah, yes, but he was also playing at being a salesman. Or was he playing at not playing?
@ The fact that it is prerecorded does not invalidate my point. In the chronology of the narrative of the video, the time in which you experience the appearance of the two modes of fashion, he switches from one to the other. Understand?
I’ve played “the Game” All my Life but I’m done Now - Social Media has Shown me the True Shallow Nature of Most People and I Prefer My Own Company and Not wasting My Efforts on Impressing Anyone Else - I will Give my Love to Nature and Nurturing my Soul..
I hear your pain man. Truly I do, I've been there. But ultimately no person can live a fulfilling life alone, and the idea that the soul can be nurtured in a vacuum is a deep error. We only grow and cultivate ourselves within the context of relationships with other Hunan beings, whatever they might be. I urge you to look for materials from Dr. Jordan Peterson who speaks to this point and to the heart of men. All men have the capacity to live a fulfilling life
@@TheOrrican Agree. You can still be an introvert who needs a lot of solitude and also have a decent social life. It takes strong boundaries and some organization skill but it can be done.
@@TheOrrican Jordan Peterson is a great talk artists. But his attitudes towards women are those of a 5 year old child and his advice upon thus should be avoided.
Everyone is playing a game - there is a very good book about it. I personally hate it because in order to get what you want (to please society), you normally have to play a different game than the game you are playing as default.
I'm currently reading your book and l just wanted to say being someone from Liechtenstein that I appreciate you shouting out Vaduz as our little capital
I bought "The Value of Others" as soon as I found it available. The content is next level when it comes to interpersonal relationship. Great book, highly advisable buy. Thank you Dr Taraban!
Game gets such a bad wrap when all we are doing is walking through this life with different masks playing different games. It's when it goes off the gynocyntric narrative is when it's bad.
I'm living this right now. We even described it as play. We've called it healthy limerence. It's been so much fun. It's interesting to hear this explanation after yrs of learning about narcissistic abuse. It's sorta how limerence can either be a recipe for love or an OCD like behavior. As long as we keep our wits about us, focus on our own path, & living our lives for ourselves and not others, we are free to play in this space when we feel safe to do so. Great talk!!!
A song in French of decades ago, song by a gall, contains the following (translated) "tell me that you love me, even if it's a lie. Life is so sad. I need some romance." This captures the felling that women do want that "play" and they need emotion. Well seen by Orion.
You know. I am In love with a wonderful person. And I’ve noticed the meaning on play. In the simpler and honest sense, to engage in play means peace, and that’s what I enjoy most about it. The person who can do that, then are capable of engaging with peace.
I am a strong, fit, brave, honest, good looking guy that is super tired of “game” advice. I don’t do game (bs, lies, posing). I have values, ethics, work ethic. I am tired of the game bs. Obviously some game is important. I stand up for what I think is right, don’t take any wooden nickels or bs. If people are stupid enough to respond to game, they deserve exactly what they get. If game is the basis of dating and relationships, then ppl will be disappointed by the game. Real, honest, good people with strength of values and character are people that you should seek. If you follow the advice of Dr. (game) Teraban, you will get what you seek. Game. If you are foolish enough to seek the gamer, you will be gamed…
Great comment, in fact "game" or "play," is essentially what the snake did with Eve in the Genesis: promising an alternative reality, appealing to inner and dark desires, but that is false and inevitably will face the harsh reality. Reality requires our submission at any time, and playing game is just acquiring a debt towards reality that will be required to be paid
Orion explains in 10 minutes the things that pickup masters sell for thousands of dollars, stretch it into an hours of courses and wrapping it into weird techniques. In pretty straight, sober and sincere way. Appreciate it
Wow! So good! I've seen many of Dr. Orions videos and they've all been good, very good, however this one just tops it. Really well said and explained! Tops! 👍💯
I thought i knew how to speak and understand english until i started watching ur videos dude, literally i don’t understand %50 of ur videos, helps me to improve my language and hate u at the same time
I’m naturally playful in my approach and have managed to calm the most difficult clients, customers and people in general in many difficult situations. Play really is the answer
Could you make a video on recognizing manipulative vulnerability in women? I fall for it every time. Just recently had one distract me from asking questions about her past by detouring into an emotional breakdown over abuse and guilt tripping... when she was literally married and hiding it.
The moment you noticed her avoid answering questions about her past was the red flag you need to know she had something to hide that she knew you would disapprove of. Also, anyone avoiding answering any question at all is a way to let you know that person is not trustworthy and has something to hide. The only exception is if that particular question is too personal and is trying to elicit obviously private information.
Thank you! Everything you said resonated with me. I also hate pick-up lines and manipulation. I was just wondering about this last week. How to "play the game" but remain sincere and authentic? And you explained it perfectly. Thank you!
@@Chud-mb7gl The delushion that they are special...the delusion that you are going to be there Hero, and knight in shinning armour. The delusion that your there soul mate ...the delsion of the romantic fanasties they read about in the top selling romantic novels they read. If a girl says she's into star signs, but your not...instead of calling it "stupid" you cultivate a reality where you admire that as well (can be seen as gaslighting)...it's like when guy's tell girls. your the "only one", even through they're dating multiple girls/women. If anyone has more to add, feel free to give your own persepctive as well.
@balrajrai8071 Isn't that the exact opposite of all the advice about being masculine, holding frame and not simping or whatever else the advice bros tell you? As far as I know everyone and their grandpa says whamen supposedly have a superhuman ability to detect fake flattery in a guy, especially if he pretends to like feminine stuff. I've had trouble convincing people and especially girls that I don't like watching or playing sports even though I genuinely hate them
@@Chud-mb7gl yes, your correct, like Orion said, game is more like ‘play’ whereas what I have described can be seen as ‘manipulation’ or ‘simping’ (which some guys do) - which mimics confidence which girls mistake for competence (which is what they are ultimately looking for). Holding frame and being in your masculine is a sign of a competent man (who doesn’t let others knock him off his path/frame).
There are men who teach game who have never summarized their teaching, and philosophy is good. What they have done is discussed the effect of game, but never pinpointed the cause in such a pointed way. I feel like sending this to them. This was crisp and clean. Well done!
Where did he summarize it? He talked about nothing for 10 minutes straight Also there's no point in philosophizing about something billions of humans have done automatically without secret knowledge Guy meets girl, guy thinks girl is hot, girl thinks guy is hot, they end up together There's your philosophy
You over complicated this to oblivion. First, calling something game is to call it disingenuous. Gaming a person means you are putting up a temporary act to get what you want. Bad way to go, because people get hurt this way. Second, what you describe as play when it comes to the child's example is a good example. Play is just ultimately having fun. The example you gave of play when it came to adults is not actually play. You can describe that as being uplifting. Being uplifting to people is something literally everyone enjoys and its a good thing. Although, you don't have to appeal to some hidden fantasy of themselves in order for uplifting to feel good to a person. Third, overall, have fun and don't take yourself too seriously and don't take offense easily. The only way you can do this is by having a humble attitude and being able to reflect on your own behavior once in a while. You can in fact be genuinely playful and uplifting to people without intent to use them or seduce them. That just being part of your personality just makes you more likable by everyone. Your uplifting words and playfulness should always be honest and genuine. Not used to get what you want. If you're genuine, you'll find that actually getting what you want will come easily without too much effort or gaming anyone. This is also how you find that special romantic prospect and have it last.
For all the guys, which I’d imagine is the majority of people watching this: Learn to dance. That’s often a biiiig advantage for The Game™️. I hate dancing with a passion, and am about as far removed from “good at it” as Satan is from the Gates of Heaven. That said, a ton of women loooooove it, and love the fact that you’re even trying. Most human language and communication, like other animals, is actually nonverbal. Dancing is a great way to have entire conversations, and even possibly get laid, without saying a single word.
99% of men I know are married and don't know how to dance. Going through all this nonsensical esoteric knowledge just to get something everyone else has makes no sense and I have all the rights to hate the world for it
Creo que es Amanda Merbu que dice que las personas no se enamoran de ti, sino de cómo se sienten ellas mismas cuando están contigo. Puede que el juego tenga que ver con eso...
@@nowhereman7413Yo creo que eso es lo que les genera atracción, osea preselección, respuesta biológica, percepción de buen proveedor para tu progenie, pero enamorarse a nivel ya más mental generando esas sustancias y hormonas que nos vuelven locos eso ya requiere de la experiencia emocional de la que habla Orión. Aunque muchas desde luego no pasan nunca a ese nivel, puede que por ser psicópatas incapaces de apegarse emocionalmente y solo quieren usarte desde luego. ¿Que te parece a ti?
This website was a great find! I purchased a book that’s already making a positive impact on my mindset. Fingers crossed it helps me overcome my fear of approaching women.
“Most women desire an emotional experience, not abs or bank account “ but what if the majority of the amazing emotional experiences involve spending money like going on an expensive trip, fine dinning, etc…?
I couldn't help but chuckle in some parts of the video due to sheer correlation with reality. It made me remember, the times I've been successful at pick-ups and one night stands, it all went like Orion put it. I just didn't think it explicitly because it all happens so fast!
@psychacks Someone has been reading "The Art of Seduction" lately. 😛 When are you going to do an interview with Robert Greene? That would be fun to watch.
Follow up videos with examples/scenarios that show the reprased material, vanities, hidden desires and/or fantasies people have and how to fulfill their respective desire for seduction, play, escape, and emotional experience would be enlightening
tbh im pretty lost. especially the playing - notplaying stuff. watched multiple times. main message is cultivate an emotional experience aka make her feel something, besides that i don't understand really.
I wish more ppl understood this because I’m usually convincing a woman no matter how submissive to be apart of my world and it’s exactly what she wants to hear when I figure her out
I need to rewatch this edit after rewatching: There is a psychologist's joke going "What is the most surefire sign that a marriage will be divorced? One of the spouses takes therapy." This video kind of shows why. If psychology currently teaches us You are not what you think you are - meaning, you can change the circumstances of your life without any real effect on yourself - then all long-term commitments are doomed. That is why I fundamentally disagree. You do what you do because there is part of your soul in it. Otherwise you can't create. Casanova played every woman, but died alone. It is not play, it is playfulness that is needed.
Many people misunderstand game to be a suite of gimmicky tactics or the Machiavellian manipulation of another. While these exist, this is not what game truly is. Game is the ability to effectively seduce, and play is the essence of game. Play is neither frivolous nor silly. It is the ability to create a separate reality that is only accessible to the initiated and in which the objects of play come to assume special significance. This is the heart and soul of seduction, and anyone who can do this well has game.
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This episode dovetails perfectly with Sargon's Purpose of Lore and Canon where he talks about shared fantasy
Bordering on fluff. Please refine and add examples
Thank you for everything you have done in my life. I hope to talk to you one day. Your work has helped me beyond what you can imagine.
Hey maybe go for a playful/flirtatious roleplay on the upcoming Pearl interview. Good opportunity for a demo, just sayin.
great episode, probably my favourite yet.. you just get better and better mr taraban! touche! (was my game good? :D )
I grew up with a guy that was a natural at this. He consistently punched above his weight. He was always able to “play” with any girl through lighthearted jokes, banter, and touch, in a subtle and overt ways that made her feel desired. It’s timeless and very effective. It turns any alpha competition into instant betas. It’s a talent and the highest level of game. Orion, please delve deeper into this topic!
He has to be very cute 😂
@@solalee4693Not at all true.
did he just joke around OR DID HE SCORE is what i want to know!!!
Best friend from college was like this, and he got LAID. Not a bad looking guy, but certainly no Chad - 5'9", kinda skinny, Indian (dot-head, not casino and no accent). Pluses? He played the guitar and was in a band.
Do you HAVE to be good looking to score with women if you have good game? No. But if you are, it's 10x more effective, and the women you score with will be MUCH more attractive on average. There's no ONE thing that any guy can do to get all the girls. But every quality can either help or hurt his chances. For instance, I'm 6'2, in great shape, and good looking, ESPECIALLY for a bald guy. But I have next to no game. I've got good one liners here and there, but I've never mastered the art of seduction. I still get laid. A LOT. Many times with very pretty (but problematic) women. I get laid more than most guys I know who are short and average looking with great game. If they looked like me, I probably wouldn't get laid because they'd get every woman every time. If I had their level of game, no one else around me would be getting laid. There's so much that goes into it
Women have it so easy. Don't let yourself get fat, and be easy going with a guy. And don't be a hoe. Boom, 95% of men want to marry you. Too bad most women can't get those 3 things right.
It explains things most guys don’t think about. I also learned a lot from reading a book called Celestial Soulmate by Lentlish. The book helped me understand women better and feel more confident.
Combining tips from videos like this and the book really made a difference for me.
I got the book you mentioned, and I’m finding it really helpful ngl... Thanks man!
*A little eye contact, a warm smile, and mirroring their energy can create a powerful, magnetic vibe without needing to say much. Sometimes, it's the unspoken connection that does all the work!*
Sei un esperto hai capito tutto. Funziona proprio così chi sta cercando di sedurmi da molto tempo pratica questa tecnica ..
@ModernDatingMastery with all due respect, attraction doesn't happen in a vacuum. If you did all of those things you listed perfectly, but we're shorter, no style, out of shape...they would likely just make her think youre a creep. So, yes, they work. But not on anyone by anyone.
@@warrioratthewall1969 Let’s just say those tools work when you’re playing in your league. If you’re playing outside your league you’re going to have a tougher time. The message is to keep trying to get into a better league, hell, get into the best league you can, then see what you can do when you get to bat.
Just my interpretation of the video
1. adopt playful attitude
2. be willing to transgress polite boundaries
3. identify vain desires that are hidden beneath their persona
4. draw out those desires to the surface by guiding the imagination
5. further engage sincere fantasy roleplay in order to make the world disappear
How does a guy do number 4 and 5?
@@Chud-mb7gl Be attractive.
@@Chud-mb7gl- mirrors and magnets… 😹
@@michaelgarrow3239 the question was serious
@@Chud-mb7gl - Well eye contact is very important when you’re talking to women. I usually let them touch me first- on the arm or something that is an invitation to move forward. You can try it first if they are not doing it at the correct time.
The big thing is your frame (do you know what I’m saying by frame?). You want to have a world she can walk into and play her apart in the scene.
Liquor helps if short term. I don’t drink but not against them drinking… 🙄🎶🎵
Take some time to get to know them. You should be evaluating them to see if there is potential, or if there is enough there for a challenge/intrest. Because; they are, evaluating you.
I will say be selective in relationships, you don’t know how long they will last. As your standards go up your eligible dating pool shrinks.
Good luck 🍀
As you get better more opportunities present themselves. Have fun. 😎
That shirt is a play in itself, drawing us into a separate reality where Orion is at vacation in the Tahiti's.
Let this stay at 69 please
Well played, you got me cracking 😂
😂😂 so true!!
Is that a reference to AoS/Coulson? lol
Orion has a plan! Become a mango farmer in Tahiti!
My takeaway here is WAY less about play, and more about recognizing the inner glow people see / want to see in themselves, and fanning those flames. I’ve used this in teaching, sales, and networking. Need to apply it to dating.
10:17 "Most women desire an emotional experience." That sums up what play and game is.
Along with the main idea of all those self help books, articles, etc on the differences between men & women. They crave emotional experiences; change her mood, not solve her problem, and so on.
The right kind of emotional experience. This is why it's tricky.
@@agcouperNah they'll crave chaos and negative emotions. Feelings of loss, grief, destruction of goodness etc.
The whole spectrum; no matter the cost to themselves or people around them.
So how do you give emotional experience to women you've just met or seen?
@@Chud-mb7gl This assumes you're attractive to her:
Flirt. Say 'no'. Have boundaries. Don't bend the knee. Hold her accountable. Call her out.
There's other more playful ways too but those work. She'll fight you at first but then she'll admire you.
The purpose of "playing the game" is for both participants to help each other pretend that they are not monkeys.
Amen
that's actually not a bad take
ee ee oo oo ah ah !!!
Really? Because letting out our monkey nature sounds more natural and fun in my opinion. How about I act overtly playful and not give a F what anyone thinks. Probably peak attraction in that
It’s stupid. And wastes time. If people just came out and admitted whether or not they liked each other and what they each desired from the other person……things would be much simpler and efficient
This is true in strong friendships. Some people are talented at seeing fragments of what you believe to be your ideal self. They celebrate you and make you feel like you can be more than you have been. You become drawn to their company because they make you feel how to want to feel about yourself.
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YO, nice shirt man 👍
Was going to say that too. 😊
I like the fact that it contrasts with the shirt worn in the pitch for the book. I've already bought the book and read it cover to cover, so I feel justified in fast-forwarding through the pitch. And by the way, I don't usually pay so much for a paperback, but this one was worth it. I didn't agree with everything in it, but I could see the author had put in a lot of effort thinking about his assertions, and it was clearly well-reasoned. So even after reading it, I would still say it's thought-provoking. And for the places where I disagreed with the author's assertions, I've found them all testable hypotheses. That's given me a chance to have some fun observing people (and myself) through lenses I don't typically use. If I always have the portrait lens on the camera, I miss a few things I might get with the fisheye.
Idk where dr Orion is but with that shirt I like to imagine he's at a sick condo in the Bahamas and the beach is right out his door
Shirt nice man, yo!
Hahaha so going to have to replay this, was too busy with the shirt
I hate that you make such good videos… I put money ONLY in this channel because it adds so much value to my life, it’s unbelievable. KEEP GOING MAN!
You said it best my friend 🧡
Man, you are a genius. Every episode is so full of meaning, and the topics while under one umbrella have such variety. I love what you do!
Oryan is on the level as Jordan Peterson.
"You can do anything to a woman, except bore her"
Actually true. I've got the scars to prove it.
Damm true
Nah, you can bore her if she likes you, if you try hard she will lose attration more
That logic is full of holes
define 'bore'. 😉
That was a fantastic perspective. I have spent the last few years of my life investing my social life in warm communities where it feels like a "village" of sorts (where everyone knows everyone and through different connections too). The guys thriving with women in such warm communities can be better understood through the perspective of this episode rather than the lenses of the red pill alpha male. It's more sustainable. More sincere. It works much better in warmer circles where you tend to build a reputation for yourself that lives in the hivemind (especially in the women hivemind as they're master gossipers compared to us men who are lousy gossipers by comparison). Women in such tight-net social circles collectively fall most for the guys that make them feel special (AKA, seen the way they want to be seen, as Orion explained), more than anything else. That was a great take.
I realized this early on in my life, women are truly slaves to the hivemind and when they rebel or forsake it to gain independence from it they cannot avoid suffering the consequences of doing so (isolation, being outcasted, anxiety, depression, fomo, mental stress, paranoia, fear of being assaulted/exploited, bullying, etc.) since the hivemind functions both as a safety net and a ruthless overlord inside/outside them, for any man that wants a particular woman you first must *seduce the hivemind* in order to get her, and the only way to do so is with good reputation and charm, otherwise your only prospects will be the outcasts or trying with a different hivemind/social circle.
A good thing that happens in our modern society is that because we live mostly in cities surrounded by a lot a strangers instead of villages with few people, including the rise in secularity, technology and the internet have weakened the hivemind, making it more fragmented and less influential than a few decades ago so we, the men of this generation can enjoy casual sex, premarital sex, having rosters, side pieces, ONS, etc. without having to commit to a particular woman and without the approval of their peers, parents or belief system, of course it has also made the current date scene/sexual marketplace a complete chaos but that's a tricky subject I'm too lazy to discuss...
36 yo male here. I never understood why some people stop “playing” I could pencil spaceship all day with a kid! Use another shorter pencil or ruler for wings, bend some paper clips for landing gear etc. However I am realizing that when I was in debt, and did not have my finances in order, or my room, or relationships, that it would have been difficult to play.
Playing with women and play with children Lego or drawing are completely different. I agree with the analogy. It just mean lie to women. Years of talking to them failing and trying shit......even when I was hitting game righteously it still fails. Only times are when I ACTED like a movie role, aka lie to them.
@@soccerspidy18Thank you for acknowledging this.
I've always said that seduction is a dance. You can't dance if you are too stiff and serious. So yeah, that fits right a long with the idea of play.
❤ your comment is wonderful. Really improvised Argentine Tango is such a kind of dance, its almost a visualisation of a seductive dialogue within the framework of the rules of this dance...and even those rules a subject to the game...
I've Latin danced for 10 years, stiff flowing smooth dialed in. Even when your years better at the dance it doesn't matter. You still have to lie to them.
I almost agree. I think that rather than trying to taylor my playing to another individual, I'll just have fun and whoever likes the game can play along, or otherwise move along. Honestly, the more I listen to you, the more I realize I'm already enough.
100% agree.
That’s another option, you play your song and if someone likes it they come, but well, most songs are not popular, so don’t expect too much if yours isn’t
@@dominicanfrankster 👋👋👋
Great explanation! Winners don’t play the game, they live the game! Living the game, is therefore the ultimate form of playing the game! ✊🏾🦉💯
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Also referred to as "Charisma". Watch a few compilations of Craig Ferguson and how he plays with female guests on his show. The very cheeky grin, quick-wit, etc shows how much women at least have fun with people like Craig.
You do realise they 'laugh' with Conan as well, don't you? He's /was the most unfunniest guy, with a fake laugh - but, they put on their show-mask - as they need(ed) him for selling their product/movie/themselves.
@ibubezi7685 Better to befriend confident guys who get laid a lot.
That's the single best description I've heard. What's brilliant, is that it takes the pressure off.
So true
come back with stories about practical seduction
This is great advice, really. I exchanged some comments with an attractive mature female youtuber and she insisted a lot on how she needed to feel "chosen" by the man, not like a random piece of meat. So, she goes on how she wants men to care about stuff males don't care about when choosing a partner. She wants to be seen in a certain way. She doesn't care about how men really are or what do men want, she just cares about them playing the fantasy she has or you don't get play time. Period.
So, what do I think overall? It's all so tiresome. I don't want to be fake and I don't want to be "loved" for being fake either. I don't want to be involved. Any young woman has tens or hundreds of online men already telling her what she wants to hear, trying to play. Why would I want to do the same, when I don't even feel like it?
Get fit, get money, dress well, drive a nice car... just improove, bro. After that, just play pretend and never ever be yourself... and then, maybe you can create a family, but you won't ever be loved, it's just the resources you provide and/or your fake self.
I wonder why men are leaving society in droves (delf-deletion, leaving the workforce, leaving university, not dating, self-isolation, drugs, videogames...). Maybe... this whole "gameplay" feels more like an existential torture for men today?
Yea this relations is tough for young men.
I went into life and relationships thinking I want long term love.
Been in 2 3 year long relationships with beautiful women wnd eventually there are always problems with hypergamy, lust, cheating, jealousy, arguments.
the sex is good while it last for years but the love does not stay? Please why
As a young male who is checked out of the modern Western dating, I share the same sentiments and the reason you listed is why I am checked out. I dont want to pretend to be someone I'm not because eventually when the charade falls apart, the woman will quickly notice and will soon leave you because of the act you've put up with since the first day you've met her as fallen apart. Would rather have her love me for me and not whom she thinks/wants of me.
@@LocoWhoEatsCOCOdude I have contemplated with this too! How old are you?
@@bornaghadamzan2223 I'm in my 20s. How long have you have been contemplating this and at what moment of your life did you realise this?
I’m an old married man. Been with my wife for 40 years. When you find the right girl, none of this feels like putting on an act. My wife really is an amazing woman in my eyes. She’s everything I could have dreamed about wanting. And she feels the same way about me. None of this is hard to maintain because it’s how we really feel about each other. As hard as it is, you just gotta find the right person for you and it will all be effortless
Yes!!!! This is gold. It is so true that play is a seducer. I have used it and have been used by it and it is an experience you never forget. My husband and I live in our play, it is a world that we live in everyday and I cannot imagine ever leaving this world. He has trapped me. He's clever.
Because you cannot handle blind def and dumb truths.....or more so accurate statements. Game on means lying to women.
But hope you marriage works out regardless. The streets ain't better.
Seduction does not need to be thought of as negative or evil. Being seduced can be viewed as being taken into a private playful experience. One has to feel competent in control over one’s own life and life’s choices. You can’t possibly enjoy seduction if you are victim minded. And it helps to believe in the goodness of others.
@ I understand your post. But just like I refuse to study body language that claims to expose liars, I believe in the goodness of others . I’m 70 and I’ve had an enjoyable life with risk, adventure, some injury but overall a wonderful time. But everyone else is entitled to their own approach to life.
they won't necessarily show their goodness to you, but to someone else
Holy moly. THIS WAS A FREE VIDEO ?
I don’t think people truly understand how powerful of a lesson this was ?!
This is a Phd in NARRATIVE in less than 12 mins.
It’s also what some of those self-help guys he mentions charge around $500 to attend a webinar that mostly explains this.
12 minutes of zero useful knowledge and practical explanations
Yeah but it’s like teaching someone how to dribble with a PowerPoint presentation and not a real life demonstration
@Vexed711 seriously this, what's the point in talking in riddles instead of providing and example, it's not like he would have insulted our intelligence
@@Chud-mb7glyou have already insulted your intelligence by calling this video a "zero useful knowledge" stuff. 😂 If you can't read in between the lines, you deserve to be insulted.
The #1 psychology channel on the tube. Better than so many because the genuineness comes through.
Orion is the man, I love how he breaks things down and explains things, he is the guy! He is one of my chosen teachers, everyone should listen to him and even repeat his lessons 🙏
I don't think anyone has ever given me such an explicitly clear instruction manual in my entire life.
Can you translate this lesson in human language?
@@Chud-mb7gl Life has no inherent meaning. We escape nihilism by playing pretend. Everything other than the direct reproduction of the species is an elaborate game, and the keys to that game are compassion and empathy, not because you're a simp, but to freely give the one resource that will always be in demand: an escape from existential dread.
@@bloodriot96503I said human language, not more riddles
If you understood what he's babbling about so well, explain it so others understand that too
@@Chud-mb7gl Challenge accepted!
1. We are in constant pain due to anxiety of not knowing what's next. This is existential dread (hint: it's the fear of death in disguise).
2. We want to fill that void with predictive models. To gaslight ourselves into certainty by playing pretend games because the only reality is what is happening in the present moment.
3. Thus, we all start our day in an emotional debt. (Dr. Orion Taraban's views are strongly influenced by behavioral economics which means thought/feelings/actions act like money)
4. So, if everyone is in debt, that means women are in debt too. They want various currencies from men in an attempt to pay off this debt. Currencies that bring a sense of certainty like wealth, status, physical attractiveness, etc. All of these currencies are exchanged based on the stories they contribute to, the ideas in women's heads regarding what they believe will relieve them of their emotional debt.
5. So they want to be paid in physically tangible currencies, but our ability to earn/have those currencies are limited by their tangibility. Things like our genetics, our upbringing, environment, circumstances, obey the laws of physics. Even if you can control them, they still take time and energy.
6. Then someone comes along and invents seduction. Seduction is so effective because it goes straight to the source and costs almost nothing: stories. All of the things women believe they want are just promises that a good enough story replaces the emptiness in their hearts.
7. To tell the right story, you need to know your audience. Hence compassion and empathy are the tools with the highest ROI and a relatively low physical cost. According to some perspectives, our hearts have an infinite capacity for compassion and empathy.
8. To liberate another human from existential dread is one of the greatest gifts you can give. Afterwards, if you want to barter for a blowjob in exchange, the price is likely miniscule in comparison.
@@Chud-mb7gl you pretend you are a friend of a person and approve their inner world hoping to get laid or take money or whatever is the quest
Game is just sales. When done properly, everyone feels they got what they wanted.
And sales, sales is just banter.
Banter, when done well, is just riding your bicycle in the rain, at play. Always aim for the big puddles.
Your feet might get wet, but it's a hell of a ride.
I reject the notion that a guy trying to get laid is, "At a woman's expense." If she gives him what he wants, then he must have given her something she wants too.
Women act like it's at their expense if they aren't given EVERYTHING they want, but the fact is that they got enough of SOMETHING to say yes to the sex.
I'm not a player and have had very few sexual partners in my long life (to be precise, only two). That said, I can honestly say I have had women throw themselves at me sexualmente because, like you said, there's a low threshold for them to want to have sex. I have had far more requests for sex than I have actually exploited.
Underrated comment. Women plot to take whatever they can get from men, enjoy sex & have multiple Os, but reserve the right to cry victim "hE uSeD mE!"
Also as well women enjoy sex with the men they want. If they didn't, they wouldn't participate.
So true.
Wow!! That’s incredible insight 🎉🎉🎉
“Ironically, playing at not playing is the most common and pervasive form of play there is.”
Eye-opening!
Just like the Hindu’s life is a drama or Shakespeare’s “the world is a stage….” and Oscar Wildes “life imitates art”. All very true and understood by Orion whose background in acting and psychology really makes him a master at this. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
there's only one book you will need that talks about this and it's called the womanizer code by jacob campbell. trust me on this.
Notice how he wore his crazy palm frond shirt when talking about play but then switiched to his hardworking but successful salesman white shirt and tie when he wanted to sell his book? Ah, yes, but he was also playing at being a salesman. Or was he playing at not playing?
Underrated comment!
Um,,, they were filmed at different times…
Not even that, it's a pre-recorded pitch? How do you not understand this?
@ The fact that it is prerecorded does not invalidate my point. In the chronology of the narrative of the video, the time in which you experience the appearance of the two modes of fashion, he switches from one to the other. Understand?
Bang on, two different games! Let's play!
helpful, i don't want to seduce anyone but the principles are helpful in other ways of communicating
I’ve played “the Game” All my Life but I’m done Now - Social Media has Shown me the True Shallow Nature of Most People and I Prefer My Own Company and Not wasting My Efforts on Impressing Anyone Else - I will Give my Love to Nature and Nurturing my Soul..
I hear your pain man. Truly I do, I've been there. But ultimately no person can live a fulfilling life alone, and the idea that the soul can be nurtured in a vacuum is a deep error. We only grow and cultivate ourselves within the context of relationships with other Hunan beings, whatever they might be. I urge you to look for materials from Dr. Jordan Peterson who speaks to this point and to the heart of men. All men have the capacity to live a fulfilling life
@@TheOrrican Agree. You can still be an introvert who needs a lot of solitude and also have a decent social life. It takes strong boundaries and some organization skill but it can be done.
I can tell you are bitter
@@TheOrrican Jordan Peterson is a great talk artists. But his attitudes towards women are those of a 5 year old child and his advice upon thus should be avoided.
@@jaydee2072absolutely.
Everyone is playing a game - there is a very good book about it. I personally hate it because in order to get what you want (to please society), you normally have to play a different game than the game you are playing as default.
This is easily one of your BEST videos! Fascinating. I love it!
You outdid yourself with this one! Real uncommon information that I hope y’all come back to!
Information like this is what TRP used to be about, before the Tates and the podcasters. Def getting that book
Pua? Pua was pure game and nothing else. Works great when you’re an attractive guy. The unfortunate guys would pull mediocre girls
Masterpiece of a video. The way you seamlessly unpack such a board topic in just 11 minutes is outstanding. So many things to take note ✍
What you say is reminding of me of Robert Greene's thoughts on seduction
His book is a strange read, but he’s trying to explain something absurd to people who don’t get it. Worthwhile though.
Agree with you, he pretty much extracted the essence of the book and shared it. So good.
Had to watch this twice because it was so good. Let's keep playing the game of life!
I'm currently reading your book and l just wanted to say being someone from Liechtenstein that I appreciate you shouting out Vaduz as our little capital
Naming my firstborn son after you for this one
I bought "The Value of Others" as soon as I found it available. The content is next level when it comes to interpersonal relationship. Great book, highly advisable buy. Thank you Dr Taraban!
Game gets such a bad wrap when all we are doing is walking through this life with different masks playing different games. It's when it goes off the gynocyntric narrative is when it's bad.
I'm living this right now. We even described it as play. We've called it healthy limerence. It's been so much fun. It's interesting to hear this explanation after yrs of learning about narcissistic abuse. It's sorta how limerence can either be a recipe for love or an OCD like behavior. As long as we keep our wits about us, focus on our own path, & living our lives for ourselves and not others, we are free to play in this space when we feel safe to do so. Great talk!!!
A song in French of decades ago, song by a gall, contains the following (translated) "tell me that you love me, even if it's a lie. Life is so sad. I need some romance." This captures the felling that women do want that "play" and they need emotion. Well seen by Orion.
He is absolutely right. You don’t need anything material to seduce a woman.
You know. I am In love with a wonderful person. And I’ve noticed the meaning on play. In the simpler and honest sense, to engage in play means peace, and that’s what I enjoy most about it. The person who can do that, then are capable of engaging with peace.
Yes Girls Just want to have FUN.Dont like BOREDOM.ENGAGED EMOTIONS.WELL DONE ORIAN
This seems like an interesting concept, but it’s like teaching someone how to dribble with a PowerPoint presentation and not a real life demonstration
😂😂 same feeling
Yes. Some concrete examples would go a long way here
I think next time should be a real PowerPoint presentation included
This is probably the best youtube video I've ever watched 🤣 answers all my questions from the start of this journey
I am a strong, fit, brave, honest, good looking guy that is super tired of “game” advice. I don’t do game (bs, lies, posing). I have values, ethics, work ethic. I am tired of the game bs. Obviously some game is important. I stand up for what I think is right, don’t take any wooden nickels or bs.
If people are stupid enough to respond to game, they deserve exactly what they get. If game is the basis of dating and relationships, then ppl will be disappointed by the game. Real, honest, good people with strength of values and character are people that you should seek. If you follow the advice of Dr. (game) Teraban, you will get what you seek. Game. If you are foolish enough to seek the gamer, you will be gamed…
You seem to be a 10/10 guy, if only you listened more than you speak. 🤣
Game is not for you. But it works of many others.
How else are we gonna get laid? 😅
Great comment, in fact "game" or "play," is essentially what the snake did with Eve in the Genesis: promising an alternative reality, appealing to inner and dark desires, but that is false and inevitably will face the harsh reality. Reality requires our submission at any time, and playing game is just acquiring a debt towards reality that will be required to be paid
Strait 100% Fax!
The problem with the game is that every time I've won, I was like...'Wait, what the fuck did I really win here?!'
Your best video yet.
I believe you should expound more completely on this topic.
Thanks!
3,058.66 JPY if he's still there, ha, ha...
Brilliant summary at the end, emotional connection is key for women! I naturally think logically so I have to remember to consider her perspective!
Love the shirt. Welcome to Miami.
Orion explains in 10 minutes the things that pickup masters sell for thousands of dollars, stretch it into an hours of courses and wrapping it into weird techniques. In pretty straight, sober and sincere way. Appreciate it
The movie "Hook" showed this perfectly in the concept of play with us at the dinner scene.
Wow! So good! I've seen many of Dr. Orions videos and they've all been good, very good, however this one just tops it. Really well said and explained! Tops! 👍💯
And guys also remember to keep your moral compass turned on. Play is also related to manipulation.
Woah. This was mind blowing and explains all the times I naturally understood this however I’m still confused. I need more
speaking from the book art of seduction. interesting message
I thought i knew how to speak and understand english until i started watching ur videos dude, literally i don’t understand %50 of ur videos, helps me to improve my language and hate u at the same time
And seriousness is the essence of respect
and of examining someone's attractiveness
I’m naturally playful in my approach and have managed to calm the most difficult clients, customers and people in general in many difficult situations. Play really is the answer
Could you make a video on recognizing manipulative vulnerability in women? I fall for it every time. Just recently had one distract me from asking questions about her past by detouring into an emotional breakdown over abuse and guilt tripping... when she was literally married and hiding it.
The moment you noticed her avoid answering questions about her past was the red flag you need to know she had something to hide that she knew you would disapprove of. Also, anyone avoiding answering any question at all is a way to let you know that person is not trustworthy and has something to hide. The only exception is if that particular question is too personal and is trying to elicit obviously private information.
Love the idea. We do it everyday without knowing. When we do win and what we created, only then have we come to the reality we just created.
Robert Greene would approve this episode
Thank you! Everything you said resonated with me. I also hate pick-up lines and manipulation. I was just wondering about this last week. How to "play the game" but remain sincere and authentic? And you explained it perfectly. Thank you!
Since it resonated with you, can you explain it in human language so it resonates with others as well
I have abs and I can attest that this video is more helpful than having abs
Play enables the temptation of joining to be more than the capacity to resist , provided the desire can be cultivated
Bravo man 🔥
Game is making a woman think you actuality believe the delusions in her head.
Please elaborate, I'm too dumb to get it
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@@Chud-mb7gl The delushion that they are special...the delusion that you are going to be there Hero, and knight in shinning armour. The delusion that your there soul mate ...the delsion of the romantic fanasties they read about in the top selling romantic novels they read. If a girl says she's into star signs, but your not...instead of calling it "stupid" you cultivate a reality where you admire that as well (can be seen as gaslighting)...it's like when guy's tell girls. your the "only one", even through they're dating multiple girls/women. If anyone has more to add, feel free to give your own persepctive as well.
@balrajrai8071 Isn't that the exact opposite of all the advice about being masculine, holding frame and not simping or whatever else the advice bros tell you?
As far as I know everyone and their grandpa says whamen supposedly have a superhuman ability to detect fake flattery in a guy, especially if he pretends to like feminine stuff.
I've had trouble convincing people and especially girls that I don't like watching or playing sports even though I genuinely hate them
@@Chud-mb7gl yes, your correct, like Orion said, game is more like ‘play’ whereas what I have described can be seen as ‘manipulation’ or ‘simping’ (which some guys do) - which mimics confidence which girls mistake for competence (which is what they are ultimately looking for). Holding frame and being in your masculine is a sign of a competent man (who doesn’t let others knock him off his path/frame).
There are men who teach game who have never summarized their teaching, and philosophy is good. What they have done is discussed the effect of game, but never pinpointed the cause in such a pointed way. I feel like sending this to them. This was crisp and clean. Well done!
Where did he summarize it? He talked about nothing for 10 minutes straight
Also there's no point in philosophizing about something billions of humans have done automatically without secret knowledge
Guy meets girl, guy thinks girl is hot, girl thinks guy is hot, they end up together
There's your philosophy
Loving the shirt!
Wow a real definition on game can’t wait to share this knowledge with others 😁
You over complicated this to oblivion. First, calling something game is to call it disingenuous. Gaming a person means you are putting up a temporary act to get what you want. Bad way to go, because people get hurt this way.
Second, what you describe as play when it comes to the child's example is a good example. Play is just ultimately having fun. The example you gave of play when it came to adults is not actually play. You can describe that as being uplifting. Being uplifting to people is something literally everyone enjoys and its a good thing. Although, you don't have to appeal to some hidden fantasy of themselves in order for uplifting to feel good to a person.
Third, overall, have fun and don't take yourself too seriously and don't take offense easily. The only way you can do this is by having a humble attitude and being able to reflect on your own behavior once in a while. You can in fact be genuinely playful and uplifting to people without intent to use them or seduce them. That just being part of your personality just makes you more likable by everyone. Your uplifting words and playfulness should always be honest and genuine. Not used to get what you want. If you're genuine, you'll find that actually getting what you want will come easily without too much effort or gaming anyone. This is also how you find that special romantic prospect and have it last.
This is a deep, rich episode!
A lot of guys quit game because of how “stupid” it is.. Most guys get into game in their 20s which is also a time society expects you to get “serious”
Because it is stupid
@@Chud-mb7glThen don’t do it
Epic insight as always good sir. Keep those wisdom nuggets coming. Cheers, from the UK.
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A man of value doesn't have time for childish games.
A man of value understands the value of playfulness. You're telling me you have no fun in your life?
Please make a more detailed video of how to do this in practice with examples. Would love to see that.
For all the guys, which I’d imagine is the majority of people watching this: Learn to dance.
That’s often a biiiig advantage for The Game™️.
I hate dancing with a passion, and am about as far removed from “good at it” as Satan is from the Gates of Heaven.
That said, a ton of women loooooove it, and love the fact that you’re even trying. Most human language and communication, like other animals, is actually nonverbal. Dancing is a great way to have entire conversations, and even possibly get laid, without saying a single word.
99% of men I know are married and don't know how to dance. Going through all this nonsensical esoteric knowledge just to get something everyone else has makes no sense and I have all the rights to hate the world for it
or martial arts
This is great!! Thank you! Emotional relevance is something to be talked about more. Great job as always.
Creo que es Amanda Merbu que dice que las personas no se enamoran de ti, sino de cómo se sienten ellas mismas cuando están contigo.
Puede que el juego tenga que ver con eso...
Se enamoran si eres atractivo, tienes estatus, recursos economicos......
@@nowhereman7413Yo creo que eso es lo que les genera atracción, osea preselección, respuesta biológica, percepción de buen proveedor para tu progenie, pero enamorarse a nivel ya más mental generando esas sustancias y hormonas que nos vuelven locos eso ya requiere de la experiencia emocional de la que habla Orión.
Aunque muchas desde luego no pasan nunca a ese nivel, puede que por ser psicópatas incapaces de apegarse emocionalmente y solo quieren usarte desde luego.
¿Que te parece a ti?
Play with meaning in a way that is emotionally relevant with women
Revandles forbidden books (thank me later)
This website was a great find! I purchased a book that’s already making a positive impact on my mindset. Fingers crossed it helps me overcome my fear of approaching women.
Also, your shirt reminds me of GTA Vice City which was one of favorite games to "PLAY"!👌
Game is one of the only pains in this world I can still tolerate it
I truly love it for what it is
“Most women desire an emotional experience, not abs or bank account “ but what if the majority of the amazing emotional experiences involve spending money like going on an expensive trip, fine dinning, etc…?
I couldn't help but chuckle in some parts of the video due to sheer correlation with reality. It made me remember, the times I've been successful at pick-ups and one night stands, it all went like Orion put it.
I just didn't think it explicitly because it all happens so fast!
@@Trithus How did it go? Because he provided zero explanation of when and what to do and how it's supposed to work
Thanks
@psychacks Someone has been reading "The Art of Seduction" lately. 😛
When are you going to do an interview with Robert Greene?
That would be fun to watch.
Follow up videos with examples/scenarios that show the reprased material, vanities, hidden desires and/or fantasies people have and how to fulfill their respective desire for seduction, play, escape, and emotional experience would be enlightening
tbh im pretty lost. especially the playing - notplaying stuff. watched multiple times. main message is cultivate an emotional experience aka make her feel something, besides that i don't understand really.
I wish more ppl understood this because I’m usually convincing a woman no matter how submissive to be apart of my world and it’s exactly what she wants to hear when I figure her out
I need to rewatch this
edit after rewatching:
There is a psychologist's joke going "What is the most surefire sign that a marriage will be divorced? One of the spouses takes therapy." This video kind of shows why. If psychology currently teaches us You are not what you think you are - meaning, you can change the circumstances of your life without any real effect on yourself - then all long-term commitments are doomed.
That is why I fundamentally disagree. You do what you do because there is part of your soul in it. Otherwise you can't create. Casanova played every woman, but died alone. It is not play, it is playfulness that is needed.
Yeah, I love abstract talk, but too abstract without examples to follow along - and it's a hard one to crack...