Starlink Discontinues the Gen 2 Standard Actuated Dish - Gen 3 Now Default
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2024
- SpaceX debuted its new Gen 3 Starlink Standard system in November, offering it up as an option for new customers alongside the original Gen 2 Starlink Standard - which was renamed the "Standard Actuated" to reflect it's pole-mount auto-aiming mechanism.
These two options have existed side-by-side since then - but no longer.
As of yesterday - SpaceX has removed the Starlink Actuated option for new customers, seemingly discontinuing the older model in the USA.
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Just pleased I recently got Gen 2 Starlink for full time off grid living in the UK and Ireland. Converting to 12 volt completed the system. I now have fast, low powered Internet with speeds of around 120 - 250mpps instead of almost non existent 4G and no other options in the wilds of Wales.
Glad to hear it is working out for you and it's great to have reliable internet in places there aren't other options available.
How did you do the 12V conversion?
Salut! Just some info, Gen 2 is still available as the only option in Europe for Standard users. No Gen 3 yet. But the Gen 2 is selling at a 50% off discount. They are probably trying to sell off the remaining Gen 2 stock to their clients outside of the US. Gen 2 works perfectly for us in France.
Off grid Gen 2 owner here. Very informative. Thank you..
Thanks, we have team members using all 3 generations of Starlink off-grid and understand the importance of that.
Thanks for the update. I got my Gen 2 in early December after seeing the Gen 3 design. I'm so glad I did as I have it mounted on my trawler. The actuated version should track as I swing on the hook. I am running mine off my 12V system and using the Peplink MAX BR1 Pro router.
The Gen 2 is certainly going to remain a popular option for some users and the Max BR1 Pro router is a great addition to Starlink. Thanks for sharing your use case.
Purchased my gen 3 a few days ago and so far it's been great. I use it while I'm out in my van. Looking for a 12v solution and maybe a way to mount it on my 80/20 roof rack. Some of the 3rd party solutions are more expensive than the SL hardware itself.
I'll stay with the Gen II, which has worked excellent on a boat. Manual alignment would an issue while anchoring.
The high portable power draw was a non-starter with the earlier Starlinks. Now I wouldn't even consider it.
agreed, the former generation after the dc conversion is acceptable, but the gen3 is totally unacceptable
While Starlink specifications show the Gen 3 as a higher power user than the Gen 2, testing has revealed it may not be as bad as expected.
Starlink decided to reorient my dish for satellites over the ocean instead of north pointing land satellites.Hopefully, that was a 1 time adjustment because I don't like going up on the roof to make adjustments. Gen 2 handled the new orientation, but a change in direction caused the wind to move the dish.
Starlink has made adjustments to some dishes on the coast to make use of less utilized satellites over the ocean. Since the Gen 2 auto aims this was an easy change for them to make in the software and let them update their direction automatically.
Knowing the Gen 3 doesn't auto orient itself, it likely they wouldn't make a change to your dish once setup, but perhaps during the initial setup if it wants you to point it that way, it will instruct you to do so and then it won't need to move again.
Gen 1 until it breaks. Was a beta tester - motor is showing signs of wear and when it fully dies I'll likely upgrade. I travel extensively with it living/working from my 5th-wheel travel trailer and moving around every two weeks or so. I like being able to deploy it within a 100' radius of my equipment...
The Gen 1 remains a popular with those that have hung onto it. It was definitely premium hardware.
definitely holding onto my gen 1 as these updates sound like setbacks for my use case.
interestingly, i have not used my starlink for a year as i have been in a house and temporarily off the road... just got an email from starlink offering to buy back my device.
Yes some people will certainly want to hang on to their Gen 1 and even their Gen 2 dishes.
sure, where do I send it? they are offering me $200 for it
Thanks for this review! Antenna height and sky view is a challenge in the forested areas. A mast is a must for many areas I’ve camped. This kick stand model adds another layer of difficulty. Sticking with my Gen 2 … any feedback on failure rate of the Gen 2 antenna?
The Gen 3 kickstand is removable and Starlink makes a pole adapter that slides in it's place so it can also be used on any kind of mast just as the Gen 2 was.
We have no real world numbers on the Gen 2, but cable and router replacements were pretty common to see on social media posts.
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter Thanks for the feedback on Gen 2 & 3 … may my Gen 2 antenna endure for a few more years!
I just got starlink gen2 and started the app. Nobody has ever mentioned anywhere that the phone needs a compass built in. To check the sky for positioning. I have an older phone so the sky scan will not start fortubately my partner has phone that can do that. Does the sky scan need to run or can the dish do this once connected to the phone via wifi?
Keeping Gen 1 for as long as I can. I can set it on the roof of the RV strap it down and it finds the signal. With gen 3 I would need to align it while on the RV roof then hope a gust of wind doesn’t blow it off signal or even off the roof. Really seems like a step backwards.
The Gen 1 was a great dish and has been popular for many users to hang on to. We have team members still using the Gen 1 also.
While the Gen 3 does have an optimal direction the app will instruct a user to point it, it doesn't have to be perfect and will still work if misaligned or even laid flat.
Many people have experimented with the Gen 2's laid flat and they continue to work very well. There is no reason that the Gen 3 with a wider field of view would not do just as well if not better if laid flat.
The pole mounting options have been popular with RVers for the Gen 2 and will probably continue to be popular with the Gen 3's.
Another option would be attaching magnets to the kickstand to hold it in place once on your roof so the wind can't move it or blow it off. For RV roofs that aren't metal, a simple metal plate can be attached to the roof to set it on.
As more consumers move to the Gen 3, we'll see more creative ideas that users come up with on how to use them on RVs.
Lots of folks mount the Gen 2 to a pole. Are there options to mount this to poles, too?
Starlink and FlagPole Buddy have pole adapters for Gen 3.
I seriously just got my gen 2 from Home Depot last week and now this week you can only get Gen 3. I just can't resolve in my head if I should return the Gen 2 and get the Gen 3. Will only be using it for the RV a few months out of the year.
The Gen 2 is going to stay relevant for awhile and still provide great service. If you are using in a portable fashion, the thinner size of the Gen 3 is certainly very noticeable when carrying it and should be easier to store although it is 3" taller and wider, but a lot thinner.
It's up to you if it's worth returning to repurchase the Gen 3 or just keep your Gen 2.
You should consider the 70-100w on average usage with gen 3 compared to 40-70w with gen 2.
I run a mobile farmers market and have been considering switching all our internet to Starlink as none of the locations overlap and the ability to move it to areas where cell coverage might not be great is a plus. I'm just not sure how long the set up time is if we would be moving it every single day? As a starlink novice, any thought?
All depends on how you intend to set it up physically (just deploy on the ground, install on a pole, wire runs, etc) and what plan you have it on. Mobile just works once on, Standard/Priority requires changing your address which adds a few minutes.
Is there any way to mount it securely? I'm not going to just set it on my roof and hope it doesn't get blown off.
Starlink sells roof mounts for the Gen 3 in their store. You'll need an active account to see them, but you can see a video that shows installing it on a house with a permanent mount - api.starlink.com/public-files/Starlink_Standard_Install_Video.mp4
I have a gen 2 kit..Can I purchase just the gen 3 router? Starlink has not offered it on the website..Seems everyone has been getting the gen 3 router since dec except our area...
No. The Gen 3 router is not compatible with Gen 2 dish.
Is that one roof mountable or it just lays on the roof not bolted down? Just had 70 mph winds come thru and I hate the thought of something not bolted down.
I agree that high winds would be a concern
I'm not sure if you are looking for a permanent install on a house or perhaps semi permanent while stationary on an RV.
The attached kickstand has 2 screw holes that could be used to hold it down to a flat surface or use the optional pole mount with a pole attached to an RV ladder.
Some other options for a secure but semi permanent install on an RV might be magnets attached to the kickstand with a metal surface you attach to. There are also 3rd party flat mounts already available if you are looking for a more permanent install on an RV roof.
If you are looking for a more permanent install on a house or stationary location, there are roof mounts available directly from Starlink or perhaps again the optional pole mount adapter and a pole of your choice would work well also.
Ok I thought the pole option was not available anymore
@@CraigMullins1 Customers that received an early version of the pole mount were sent a message saying they should discard it and it would be replaced with a newer version that was redesigned. We haven't personally tested that so can't comment, but it should be available.
Also there are 3rd party pole mount options available for the Gen 3 already.
Should be less points of failure 6:09 6:11
With the cabling change and the lack of motors there should certainly be less points of failure. The Gen 2 cables caused a lot of issues with customers.
Has anyone been testing gen 1 antennas with gen3 router? This is my current setup(gen 1 gray leg antenna, gen 3 router). Wondering if there are any advantages with the gen 3 antennas? Or am I better off with my gen 1?
Here's our article going over the specs of the Gen 3 Dish: www.rvmobileinternet.com/breaking-news-next-generation-starlink-standard-hardware-for-rvs-revealed/
Gen 2, really never needs to be realigned once it ia set up. Except more power consumption, gen 3 probably better for convienence.
Correct, the Gen 2 really doesn't need to move and as more satellites are over head, there is less need for the dish to look as low on the horizon so even the general aiming becomes less important.
There are certainly a lot of positives to the Gen 3 and the cable being the big one and one we are happy to see.
Does that mean that once you align the dish in the initial setup, you don't have to move it again? Or do I have to move it manually every day? That seems like a huge downgrade.
Doesn't the Gen2 move on each own every now and then? Or is it only for the first setup alignment?
I'm talking about permanent residential usage.
Once you have it aligned, it shouldn't need to be adjusted again (unless something unusual happens - like a tree grows in front of the dish.)
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter What about wind?
The problem with needing a mobile app to align the dish is that we often are camped in areas where there is no cell tower nearby. The lack of cell reception is the reason why we use Starlink in the first place. We're sticking with the Gen 2 as long as possible. After that, we'll hopefully be able to align the Gen 3 dish using a compass when we don't have any cell reception.
You don't need cell service for the app to work when on the Starlink Wi-Fi and talking directly to the Starlink dish. As long as you are on the Starlink Wi-Fi, you would see the alignment of the dish and could adjust it as necessary.
Also even if the Dish alignment isn't perfect, it should have service and generally by facing it North, you should be close and then can fine tune from there.
This is a non issue so nothing to worry about with the Gen 3.
I’ve heard the Gen 3 download/upload speeds are better than Gen 2. Would it be the better option for a gamer?
Dan has been sharing his extensive head to head comparison of the two in this member testing notes thread: www.rvmobileinternet.com/forum/testing-in-progress-first-impressions/starlink-gen-2-vs-gen-3-real-world-comparisons/#p33873
So we go from the Rolls-Royce to the model T and if you get it right, it’ll perform as good or better but but but Manuel
Certainly Starlink has been trying to reduce the cost of the hardware as the original round dishes were being sold a quite a loss originally. It was during the Gen 2 production they were able to reduce costs enough to not be selling at a loss in most regions.
The Gen 3 is most likely a further reduction in production costs, but it seems well built and is performing well.
Also keep in mind the constellation has grown to over 5k satellites in that time and the process of aiming in a specific direction is not nearly as important as it originally was.
We have an ongoing testing in progress thread for our members comparing the Gen 2 to the Gen 3 head to head - www.rvmobileinternet.com/forum/testing-in-progress-first-impressions/starlink-gen-2-vs-gen-3-real-world-comparisons
Is this one automatic the dish ? Like the older model is
Watch this video! 😝
This dish has no motors and therefore requires a manual aiming process. We cover this in the video and talk about the differences between the Gen 2 & Gen 3 dish.
I ordered Starlink Roam on January 23 and paid $600 plus tax and was sent the Gen 2. It works fine but should l contact Starlink for an upgrade? Is it worth it?
Check out the archive of our recent MIRC LIVE broadcast where we addressed this exact topic: ua-cam.com/users/livetaqReNj9jbw?feature=share
so what voltage does it run on?
I believe it’s 56 vdc from other UA-camrs.
How am I going to hook this dish on my flagpole like the one I have now?
There will likely be all sorts of official and third party mounting accessories, just like the other models.
Has the pole mount been redesigned as it was a failure point?
Yes there has been a redesign on the pole mount from Starlink. Some still suggest the redesigned isn't much better, but we have no hands on testing with that yet. This might be one of those where 3rd party options are better choices.
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter Thank you.
Just got my Starlink setup, and was really disappointed. I had seen the tripod mounted actuated setup and thought this was what i ordered only to get the gen 3. Really ticked off actually. I paid close to $700 dollars for basically a street sign that I leave laying on the ground? Really pathetic design, now I'm supposed to purchase additional parts to at the very least get it off the ground, lol
Join us live tomorrow evening here on the channel at 7pm E - we'll be discussing the differences between the Gen2 and Gen3 dishes.
I guess the real question is will it be able to see more sky, thus more satellites possibly enabling potentially higher speeds?
The Gen3 does have a slightly wider field of view.
Why is this guy saying we're now on Gen 4, not Gen 3? ua-cam.com/video/ACjO3uOB77Q/v-deo.html
Also, if we have to manually align the dish now, how will that work when mounting in a fixed position on an RV roof? Have to reposition the whole entire vehicle to align the Starlink?
They are counting the 2 versions of the round dish as 2 revisions and how they have gotten to 4 dishes total.
Normally you see people count generations which there have only been 3 generations of hardware (Gen 1 = round, Gen 2 = Standard Actuated, Gen 3 = Standard w/kickstand). But there have been 4 revisions with the Gen 1 round coming in both a grey leg and black leg version. Really the latest dish should be referred to as Revision 4 if they are going to count versions and not generation 4 to minimize confusion. We are going by generation of dish.
While the Gen 3 does have an optimal alignment to point when on the kickstand, if you laid it flat, the antenna still electronically aims and would continue to work just fine.
Many people have flat mounted their Gen 2 dishes with no issues and with the Gen 3 having a 10 degree wider field of view, there is no reason that it would not work just as well if not better when flat mounted.
There are also 3rd party mounts already available to flat mount the dish. Our team has already experimented with using the dish flat without issues.
Gen 2 Rocks , 3 is ugly and huge and you have to adjust it manually. I enjoy the actuated platform because it’s precise in its scanning the sky.
All of the Starlink dishes use a phased array antenna that electronically aims and tracks the LEO satellites without the dish physically moving. Technically any of the dishes can work well even flat, some just have wider field of views than others that allow them to do a little bit better when flat.
The Standard Actuated was developed when there was less satellites in the sky and it was able to tilt and aim to give the best results. It also has the narrowest field of view of any of the hardware to date.
As the Starlink constellation continues to grow (over 5k now) there is less reason for the dish to need to aim to a specific location and more often than not it can track more satellites directly overhead without the need to follow any down to the horizon.
The Flat HP was the first dish released that didn't have any motors and had no need to manually aim with super wide 140 degree of view.
Now we have the Gen 3 that also doesn't have motors with a slightly larger FOV than the Gen 2 Standard Actuated, but smaller than the Flat HP. The slight tilt on the kickstand is mostly for precipitation run off and the manual aiming just insures you are pointed in the optimal direction for the tilt, but in reality the dish could work perfectly fine flat if desired and even misaligned would still connect, just may not be optimal.
Thankfully the app makes it pretty easy to aim in real time and once setup should not have to be changed again.
Glad to hear your Gen 2 is working great for you!
Thank you sir...I'm also living abroad although the US is still considered home. cheers@@MobileInternetResourceCenter