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FYI The one with the actuator only costs $250 USD in the Philippines and then only $45 a month for about 250 down and 50 up. They would not be providing equipment and monthly internet at a loss for large amounts of people on a regular basis. Other countries also get lower prices as well....
Do you know that the chipset does not come more robust to compensate for mobile? It could be using a much more powerful processor to calculate phased array use. Do you KNOW what is inside it? Motors may not be the only extra cost.
You said why would they want why would somebody want to put it on a pole because of snow obviously if it can't move how's it supposed to stay clean to be able to see the satellites if the snow is coming down and covers it
I've had my gen 2 dish since June of 2022. The service has only gotten better over time. I use roughly 1.5 TB a month. I've had no issues with live streaming or gaming. Overall it's been one of the best ISPs I've had. Even better than Xfinity when I lived in the city.
1.5TB a month, wholly crap. We have two people working from home (WebEx, Zoom and Teams meetings galore) and three/four people on the internet, streaming etc and barely ever approach 1TB.
@@jefferyshallI download a few games per month. Live stream multiple times per week, and upload videos often. I think downloading games is the biggest contributer.
We use over a TB too I hope they don't start doing the data caps and charging for going over everything is digital now so we use more data then what we used to. What was 500 gb was alot that's now what 1 TB is or more. It's crazy
Well, it depends on what percentage of the cost the motors represent. I have a feeling they probably don't represent much; maybe 5% of the cost. Why? Well, these antennas are synthetic aperture, which means hundreds of tiny receivers, each with its own tiny antenna, amplifier, tuner, and a programmable nano-second delay line, so as to point the phase coherent angle to the exact spot in the sky you're communicating with by adjusting the delays dynamically. That all has quite a bit of cost; I don't even understand how they manage to make it as cheap as they do. Synthetic aperture was only used by militaries, before SpaceX. Having said that, I would have put a discount on the motor-less unit, just for the aesthetics.
You get a wider field of view, you can use it while moving (not recommended with the motor) you get the ethernet (already $30 off), it is lighter and way easier to handle, got a 24V dc plug, got a detachable cable (not fixed as the old model) and I think way worth the money. Also, as it is a phase array inside, orienting electronically I could not care less how much Space X has to pay (they are paying on top anyway) because the build cost has nothing to do with the consumer price. I think the new model is the better one, as test show faster downloads even while moving and not perfectly aligned.
Just got back from a month on the boat from st petersburg to the bahamas with version 3, mobile package ($150). Flawless performance entire trip, even in 44 knot T-storm. Signal was cut off 15 miles off of Ft Lauderdale and came back on 15 miles from Bimini as predicted. Had voice over internet cell service entire time crossing Lake Okechobee which we never had before and free cell in Bahamas through Starlink. Unexpected benefit- We keep our boat docked behind our house. The signal was strong enough to serve all tv's and computers in the house so we cut the cord with cable, using UA-cam TV now. Also added one Starlink Mesh repeater and now entire property has Starlink Wifi from the boat. Overwhelming success and no intermittent dock wifi.
No, the new antenna does not have to cost less just because there are fewer (as in no) moving parts. I have a Gen 3. I’ll be using it for RV and travel use. It can and will be run on 12V without the use of a inverter. Plus, I never point the antenna in any specific direction when I setup. The antenna is mounted to my RV and is pointing straight up. It has worked perfectly each time.
You're forgetting 3 important things: - Articulation was absolutely necessary when there were many times fewer satellites in the air, and they were harder to find. - SpaceX does not like unnecessary moving parts, so if adding more antennas and a wider view will work, then they will do that, and it will only improve as they add thousands more satellites over time. - Once the stationary panel has a wide enough field of view to match the available satellites, it seems to be better as indicated by its use for commercial connections, and Musk's claim that his own aircrafts connection tends to have impeccable speed and reliability. Edit: Independent engineering analysts suspected that they were subsidizing the cost of the original antennas, due to the cost associated with phased array antennas usually more common for military uses etc than residential.
That was my guess, is that the original antenna design was a loss leader. They probably cost more to make than they were selling them for and making up the difference over the life of a subscription. The new design makes it more affordable to manufacture and no longer sells at a loss. By increasing the usefulness of it, minus the one-time extra steps when setting it up (using an app to aim it), I think it's an overall benefit. And as noted, less parts means less that can break. Those motors would eventually wear out or break, and as SpaceX says, the best part is no part.
@@ytmadpoo Exactly. I can't remember which channel it was, but someone tore down the original antenna and explained how it works pretty well, and why most companies would choose to save the cost and use a dish instead.
They actually lose a lot of money on the Gen 2. The argument that they have more Sats as time passes is a sound argument but at the end of the day who knows what will happen years from now. I would rather have it be able to move if it needs to.
I just purchased the starlink gen 3. I have no clue where this guy got his info. I have used it for 6 months with absolutely no troubles set up is easy and it work fantastic
I'm a trucker. The roof of my sleeper is fiberglass, and any antenna I'd use will be mounted up against the inside of the ceiling, pointing (more or less) straight up. Since price isn't a factor, I'll likely go with the new dish due to its wider field of view. The inside unit is irrelevant, as I'll go with a direct Ethernet connection via a modded cable. (I'll need to shorten the 50 foot cable by about 40 feet.)
I use this new "Standard" Roam with my RV and it is GREAT!! Love it. Setup and easy to align. Took 10 min max. Up & Running with great Downlink/Uplink speeds!! A++++ from me.
Original dish, early beta tester. Still going strong through many Wyoming winters. I like the idea of fewer moving parts, thus even more reliable. Higher power almost certainly to power the additional antennas. It has to be able to go further off optimal angle in some cases, and now it can only do that via beamforming with stronger signals to compensate for lobing losses.
I'm coming up on my first full winter with Starlink. I usually get 2 or 3 snowfalls of nearly 2 feet so I have dishy on a 3 foot pole on the roof of a 2 story house. If the heater can't keep up with a brisk snowfall, I can put it into the nearly vertical stow mode momentarily to clear the face. Not going to be able to do that with the fixed one.
As usual, J, perfect content and delivery…. For all experienced and new SL customers, we thank you. BTW, I have the mobile backpack, with “standard” set up for mobile subscription. I have used the for work off a roofed porch hotels, parking lots, woods, building roofs, etc. I am wary of losing the automated set up where the motor moves the dish to the best spot per location. I do not have to fiddle around for hours pointing the dish. Motorized works better when there is not complete clear sky. And, depending on time of day and sats overhead, it will adjust to keep signal and improve it. Lower power draw is better. Many of the times in use for mobile, I am using smaller solar generator to power the mobile kit. It will last for more than 13 hours (or much more) with no sun to recharge. Even cloudy days is enough to recharge plus run system. Adding more power to allocate may dictate larger solar cells and generator for mobile apps. Here is what I think…. Test them both in mobile setting. Same exact location. Might have to do test back to back (possible interference with two close together). Make the test where the sky is not 100% unobstructed from SL perspective. See how they compare in set up/tuning, and performance. I volunteer to bring mine to FL and test at a location with you J. We should figure out a way to get a new mobile set up for testing. We will be in your neck of the woods early December for short time. And during month of Feb-first half of March. Let me know if this makes sense.
I just set up the new thin panel. I am in the texas hill country. it is the fastest internet I have ever seen. to adjust the "twist" it is very very simple. You only have to adjust it once. If you put it where it is adjust it at that time
Given the three actuated dishes that have failed for me, maybe the simpler dish would likely be more reliable. But climbing up two stories to adjust is a PIA. Maybe the kickstand dish with an old fashion antenna rotator would work. Just a thought.
On all three cases the router lost communication with the dish. Heater was turned off in the last two cases, which were also refurb units with new attached cables. Starlink never said what failed, they just send a replacement refurb unit.
@@kenbo80 I just went through the same experience with Starlink , I purchased my original set up in July of 23 worked fine till March 24 , reached out to Starlink , they said my router needs to be replaced , sent a new one , still didn't work , reached out again , they sent me a refurb unit , sent back old setup , so far working fine and using the second router as a mesh extender
I think more emphasis should be brought to bear that there are more Active Elements on the larger Sq inch dish that will improve reception both in angle of view, and clouds / tree cover. That would also account for the additional power usage. And put less emphasis on lack of motor movement. That would also account why no change in price. ie: more electronics, less mechanical = same price, more reliable.
looks like you conclude it wrong. it is exactly for better signal strength, that the gen 3 has bigger dish than gen 2. you do have to deal with the hassle of positioning the unit (for optimal signal), but after you do, the gen 3 gives you better bandwidth than gen 2. lots of gen 3 vs gen 2 videos had shown that.
thank you for our reviews. really helped. i will settle for the second gen. i loved it when i saw it could alter itself, so reduces the stress to find out it wasnt aligned to do so manually
Here in New Mexico, after you conveniently set your new dish on a table, you may come back an hour later and have to follow the cables across your lawn to track down where your dish sailed away to. That's true with most states in the West. The wind blows and at times blows hard. Even sandbagging it would be tentative.
My Gen 2 blew off the roof of the RV about a year ago, been using it in the stuck pointed strait up (perfectly flat/horizontal) position ever since and still works flawlessly.. Just ordered the mini, glad to see they have an ethernet out port as I use a 3rd party unifi dream machine.
I’m SO HAPPY I purchased the 2nd Gen 2 months before they first changed the price (mine is locked in at discounted $90 rate) about 3 months ago! I decided to mount it to the eves on the side of my roof and will most likely purchase a mobile high performance unit if needed. Also picked up an ASUS AX11000 PRO GT using its 10g WAN port. I originally set it up on my front lawn and was experiencing about 15% obstructions (bottom portion hitting top of trees) but since we put it on the roof its been super fast and NO spinning wheel of death. I LOVE MY GEN 2 for its built in snow melt heater and self articulation! Thanks J for creating great content for everyone to enjoy all while getting the best info needed to make the best informed decision. (I am also located in New England and the dish pretty much stays at its original 33 degrees NE).
As far as adjustment the old direct TV dishes had to be aligned on poles and roofs. One thing you didn't consider on the price, since the new dish is bigger and requires more power my thinking is that it has more cells or is a stronger receiver and transmitter to compensate for being slightly off alignment. So you may actually be getting more for the money
@@jcristina As someone who has 2 decades in the industry as an engineer, the lack of actuators in the new dish is NOT a big deal & a non-issue. First & foremost, the actuators in Starlink dishes did NOT play a role in them tracking satellites. Their main purpose is general aiming during setup. To aim at an optimal path NOT the satellite per se. In other words the actuators just makes setup as easy as possible. Also unlike DirecTV & Dish Network dishes which just stamped pieces of metal that must be aimed directly at the satellite, the Starlink dishes are phased array antennas. That means these are beam steering dishes. Starlink dishes can steer it's beams precisely at an overhead satellite and even track it as the satellite moves across it's arc in the sky. Second, given that the new dish is larger, that most likely means they've added more elements to the new dish increasing the width of the arc it can steer it's beam. Adding more elements but removing the actuators equals out the price tag. Lastly, given that Starlink has been steadily increasing the number of satellites in it's constellation, finding an optimal arc (path) is even easier now. The main take-away is phased array technology was only available to the military; Then it came to commercial applications like cell towers in the 2000s. Now that same technology is now available to consumers. Phased array antenna technology allows the steering & pointing w/o having to physically orient at the endpoint. All that is required is to point in the general direction.
@@TheWallReports From another engineer with 2 decades of experience in the industry I recommend everyone to read this post before making your own post. If you still aren't clear about how the Starlink system works, google a definition of phased array and one of Starlink System Operation.
The newer versions of Starlink dishes, such as the "Dishy McFlatface" (Rectangular Dish), use a phased array antenna. This advanced technology eliminates the need for moving parts like motors. Instead of physically moving the dish, the phased array electronically steers the beam to communicate with the satellites. This makes the design sleeker, more reliable (fewer moving parts mean fewer chances of mechanical failure), and easier to install.
They all use a phased array antenna. But at the beginning straight up was no optimal nor in any direction. With over 6,000 satellites now, straight up work very well.
Great video. I was looking into buying Starlink V4 and then it showed I could buy it at different stores like Home Depot and Walmart for 299.00. I’m in Indiana with no good reception or Wi-Fi. Good deal??
Thanks for the thoughtful review. For the last year, we’ve have the standard articulating dish mounted flat on our camper’s roof, which disables the motors. I did a couple of tests before mounting it and found that allowing the dish to aim itself made no significant difference. The more streamlined design of the new dish is great, but I just wish Starlink would offer the router without the router part! Many have reconfigured the articulating system to use 12V power so they can use a low-power 12V router. It would be great to have a dongle that consisted of a power supply and an ethernet port to connect to any router. (But at least this one has a power brick - it’ll be interesting to see what power consumption will be if the power brick is replaced with a 12V buck booster.) With the high monthly cost, the purchase point is not a tipping point. (Especially when we’re all carrying around $1,000 cell phones.) How long until Starlink is bundled with Starlink Cell? :) For me, the decision to get the new dish will hinge mostly on performance. If it’s even better at piercing through tree cover (which is rarely a problem with our current dish) I’d strongly consider it.
Great video. For me, the roaming service works best...problem I have had is unplugging it multiple times and having issues with the Gen 2 cord. I have had my gen 2 replaced by Starlink 3 times due to problems with the cord. Send out a new cord to find out the internal connection on the dish is damaged. Could be a damaged cord or damaged connector on the dish. While I wasn't happy with the price of the new Gen 3, I purchased solely on the new RJ45 type connection. That said, I wish they would have just kept with the Gen 2 actuated unit and re-designed the connection method. The Gen 2 problem is with the roaming function. Leaving the Gen 2 plugged in at your home and never unplugging it solves the problem of constantly traveling and needing to disconnect and reconnect the unit. The Gen 2 cord/plug is a big weakness.
I think that these dished actually cost Starlink more than $1000. They are selling these at a loss to get you to signup. They eventually make up the different through monthly fees. So I think that why the two dishes are priced the same.
The phased array antenna is a pretty expensive piece of hardware. I used to work at a high end circuit board manufacturer and the material cost was high on that type of board because of the application. The antenna is the circuit board is almoat the size of the dish.
Question…I just purchased the newest unit for my Airstream. My Airstream is prewired with an ethernet outlet on the outside. Can’t I just plug the Starlink cable from the “antenna” in the external outlet of the Airstream and then place the Starlink router inside my Airstream and connect the Starlink router with an ethernet cable to the Airstream internal ethernet outlet?
I'm getting the version 2, here in the french countryside. Last of these units at 250 euros, on sale, with the ethernet adapter at 40 euros, standard monthly of 40 euros. I have to fix mine on top of the chimney and so your info was crucial to my situation, well done and thank you. PS, my adsl is the same per month and gives me, at best, 5 Mbit down and 1 Mbit up - I'm hoping to see some considerable improvement.
Completely agree. I was excited about the new unit and not having to carry the large stand would be a big plus for me but wish there was a DC option. Can't imagine using the new version and fuss with trying to align on a pole but while traveling/camping, the new one have great potential but not worth the extra spending to trade it until they come out with a no stand and DC option.
Just curious, why do you think lots of people where buying the Gen2 before Gen3 became available and cutting out the guts so it would not adjust? To me, it seems that there is a need for a flat unit for $599. I think it is because It would be much nicer to have a permanent receiver mounted on my boat or camper that was flat and out out the wind. I also think that SpaceX has added a lot more satellites since the first Gen2 was released and there is not as much of a need for the receiver to adjust anymore? The Pro model is flat and works fine from everything I read. Let me know your thoughts. With the Gen 3 you can get the convivence of the performance model by being mounted flat and also get the unlimited plan. To me it seems the lowest plan the performance model has is only 50G and more expensive than the unlimited Standard plan. I am trying to weigh my options before I purchase. This was my first time to view one of your videos, but will watch more and wait for your thoughts. BTW I am in the NE as well and plan to be on the water.
I completely agree with him! I was thinking the same thing. How could the price jump so high for this downgraded version? The only good aspect is that it's small. Personally, I don’t mind bringing my old version with me, even if it’s a bit larger, and using it as a mobile device.
I have the new kit I purchased it when it was on sale for $299. It is on the roof of my motorhome I first used the standard mount. Worrying about the wind I decided to buy their roof mount kit for 75 bucks. This can be adjusted for any type of roof flat 4/12 or greater pitch. All you need is a good quality level to make sure that no matter where you place it on the shaft that it is perfectly vertical. Dropped the dish on it use your cell phone to aim it and that's all there is to it simple, works great. It uses 60 watts of power after running for at least 15 to 20 minutes 140 Watts when it first turns on for the heater in it. When you put it to sleep at night it uses 20 watts. I am off grid and have my own solar system on my motorhome. I am currently running 1600 watts of solar panels and 600 ah in batteries. During the day no problem I produce more than enough excess solar power to control the unit. I just put it in a sleep mode starting at about 8:00 p.m. until 7:00 a.m. and there is very little drain on my batteries.
There are local guys here that mod their Gen2 (the actuated version) by dissecting them (motor disabling/removal) and adding their own power supplies. In spite of doing these things, they're not using their 'Frankensteined' equipment for mobile use...just on their roofs if their houses. Its like a cool thing to do - trendy I guess. They say it makes their equipment 'better' Not too sure I understand the motives in play with these guys, but the Gen3 (kickstand) seems like an answer to their 'problems' I have a Gen3 on a pole that I can rotate & lock in place if I ever need to. Three months going strong with no adjustments necessary. All is good! My salute to Elon & Starlink ❤
greetings, I have had the Gen 2 system for 2 years and use it on the road as I work and travel building Power plants. 1 to 3 years in a location. a mechanic working on a neighbors car ran my dish over. they have offered to replace it from a retailer. how do I switch the hardware and not get double billed or charged for 2 systems. I am 68 and am finding the no telephone # for customer service a little stressful as so far , I have heard nothing from Starlink since opening a ticket for my questions. any guidance is appreciated, Charlie
I have G2 two antennas in different houses and no issues, and now I received an offer for the Gen 2 for $350 $99 a month. This came up on Facebook this week.
My thought is they kept the price the same as the other units so that people wouldn't buy the wrong dish for them just because of the price. Unless I was going to be mobile, I would not buy the new unit. Even then, the self-actuating unit is not that much of a burden to take with you in an RV.
Good video. I watched your video this evening because a neighbor asked me to find out something about Starlink antennas. He’s decided to use Starlink. I have the old style antenna and I’ve been very happy with it, but my understanding, which I think came from you, was that the newest antenna was less expensive. We both have had our antennas for a couple of years or more, from a time when Starlink had significantly fewer satellites up there. As we continue to get more satellites, we may not need as much tweaking of the antenna over time. If it’s a couple of hundred dollars less expensive, I would take the new one if I were buying today.
I basically agree with you. Personally, I would go for the motor and lower power consumption model -- even if it is an older model. Who wants to keep running outside and adjusting the antenna when your internet drops. In the Philippines, they are selling the newer model with the higher power consumption. However, in the Philippines, where I live, electric power is extremely expensive. If my monthly power bill is $200 to $250 here, it would probably be $70 - $95 in the US. People try to avoid buying electrical appliances here. So I would want the lowest wattage unit I could get. They are significantly reducing cost to the units, and giving you a couple of crumbs in return. I really can't believe they took the self-adjusting motors out of the Antenna.
I had "bad connection" in yellow on my online account. They sent me a new cable that i received last friday. Today(Tuesday), it went offline. Now it says "bad connection" in red. They are sending me another cable. What are the chances that both cables are bad?
We RV with our Starlink, often times it is quite heavily wooded. We use a 30 foot telescopic pole and let the dishy do its thing! Can’t imagine using the other one too much.
My thoughts are that the dish came out before all of the satellites are in place. I believe that there will be enough satellites up in orbit that will make it such that it will not matter where you point the dish. Eventually you will have multiple satellites above you at one time that will be usable by the sdish no matter how it is pointed and it will pick the best connection at the moment.
Mine is out of line 11°. I didn’t bother going back on the roof to fix it and it’s working fine. I’m in the backwoods too. I think the fact that the wider angle of the new satellite makes it capable of not needing to be redirected. If I’m off 11° in the woods and it is still operating perfectly kinda makes sense.
I've had my Gen 1 dish for a couple months short of 4 years and it has never changed orientation. The gen 1, and I assume the gen 2, always cost more than Starlink charged for them because they needed to get them deployed. If they are breaking even or making a few bucks on the new one I am OK with that. If my gen 1 died I replace it with a gen 3 simply for the fully replaceable cable with standard RJ45s on both ends.
I live off-road in the mountains of Mongolia. My dish should arrive next week - standard actuated dish. I plan to put my dish on the roof of one of my containers, then add ballast to the legs. I can get up there with a ladder but it's not convenient, so I think the actuated model sounds better for me.
I'm in the process of ordering Starlink but wanted to see more of your videos before deciding on the final product. After watching this video, you now have me thinking of which dish I would be better off with. I plan on installing this on the roof where I have the Viasat dish and mount still there after cancelling that service several months ago. However, after viewing the Starlink Residential Service Plans, the only choice available for a dish is the new recommended standard dish (unless I'm missing something). The previous one is no longer on the web page. Plus with this new dish I'll have to visit the Starlink shop and order the proper mount(s). Thanks for the video!!
I have installed hundreds of each of these systems. Hands down, the Starlink Gen2 system "overall" is the better option imo. Due to the factors mentioned. Like Ron Popiel always told us, "Set it and forget it." See following for Gen2 vs. Gen3 key points DISH: Functionality Gen3 - I wouldn't worry too much about having to adjust your homes dish due to the ever changing orbiital satellites as was mentioned. The coverage over the lower 48 has become very dense. With the continued build out of Starlinks network coverage capabilities. Achieved by launching many more low orbit satellites, the coverage has become virtually solid anywhere with a clear view of the sky. Basically, we no longer need to search for newly launched orbital satellites like before. HOWEVER, inclement weather conditions could still create the need for adjustments. whereas Gen2 would self adjust. Therefore... DISH FUNCTIONALITY: GEN2 CABLING: GEN3 - The overall cabling design is better due to the one L shaped cable connection on the GEN2 is really poorly designed. You can run it from inside out to circumvent the need for a 3/4"-1" hole in your house required to get the end through and into your home. GEN2- kits do come with standard 75ft of cabling included vs GEN3 mere 50ft. The need for additional cable length being required for added cost comes into play more often than you would think. 50ft is a bit ridiculous.(Elon, please give us the additional 25ft back bud?) Therefore.... CABLING: FUNCTIONALITY TIE ROUTER: GEN2- With the needed dongle attachment for hardwire connectivity @ $30 vs. being built in on the GEN3. It really comes down to the dollars making sense. ROUTER FUNCTIONALITY: GEN2 Hope this helps give you an idea of the main real-life differences between the STARLINK GEN2 vs. STARLINK GEN3 MODELS. Always glad to help. Reach out to us on our socials, WeSat Inc. if you ever have any questions, we'd be happy to help. We are located in North Central Alabama and we do offer Professional Installation Services if you just want to let the pros handle all of that jazz for ya. EITHER of the systems isn't a bad choice if you need a great internet product, Starlink Internet is a FANTASTIC service provider that will change your opinion about "satellite" internet. FYI: it's not Hughesnet, Wildblue, or Exede.(High Orbit systems). Starlink(Low Orbit System) is where the line is drawn and makes Starlink stand in a league of its own. No comparison.
Heck I just got mine today to my dismay had a note in the packing box stating that the Version 1 with the actuator motors in it, had been discontinued and that they had given me the gen 3 with the new gen 3 modem as well with the 2 ethernet ports on the back of it..
Yeah I was attempting to take your advice J but as I stated above they wouldn't send me the Gen 1 with the motors in it. I'm guessing they watched your video also and figured it wasn't cost effective to continue making them. Well at least for the price they were charging.
I wonder if the new router is compatible with the articulated dishs, also, wonder if the router has upgraded wifi, or, other features we don't know about yet ...............
Ive had the 2nd gen dish for 4 months now its beautiful! non peak hrs pulling 250+ mbps peak hrs drops between 20-60 mbps but never any buffering or loss of service. I did purchase a 3rd party router for wifi 6 though
I'm a RVer I have the gen 3 the one with the kick stand. I do not know but I have been told that the speed is faster but I really do not know if this is true or not. Being a RVer we have had places where we could not get a clear site of the sky but we were able to watch TV , streaming , and email with very little problems. Most of the time we have to place it some distance from our motorhome in order to get a better shot between the trees and this seems to work out better for us being able to do this. Seems like in the past people want to setup underneath trees everywhere , but with satellite internet its a bigger problem. I will order a longer cable so that this will give up better places to get signals. My wife is a gamer so when shooting between trees the 6 to 20 mbps seems not to work unless there is a somewhat clearing to the sky.
Could they be doing away with the motors because there are so many more satellites now that you don't really have to do anything but point it at the sky? and of course $$ savings on production.
@@jcristina They may but they still can't point them at the sats in geostationary orbits as the share the same frequencies and would interfere with each other. That is why dishes in the northern hemisphere are aimed to the north of their location. My dish in southern Illinois points northwest it moved from due north at the same time yours switched to northeast.
Here in Australia, where I live, I've watched mine change position at least 3-4 times a day as it tracks satellites for the best signal. It will be a complete pain if I have to get up on my roof every few hours to adjust the dish to maintain the best signal. I'm still annoyed that if you want to use the new router, it's not directly compatible with gen 2.
Yeah, my thoughts as well... however, I think at least in my case, that my OG dish is rate limited anyway because of the residential plan I'm on. Well, rate limited during "business" hours. Cause at night I seem to get 200+Mbps... during the day it's a bit more all over the place, 80-180Mbps (I work from home)... I think they QoS to allow priority access. However, during the beta and even though my service was way more unstable, I'd get 300 - 450Mbps. It would be interesting to see though, as you said.
"Not $599 hardware." Based on the wider scan angle, the new Standard Dishy has to have more active elements. (This tends to be supported by the higher power consumption.) So the savings from the removal of the mechanical movement is offset by the higher cost of the additional electronics. I'm actually surprised the new Dishy isn't priced higher than the current one.
If I was mounting it on my roof then the older one and the new one does need to be cheaper in price. What about the internet speeds like is it enough to play the online game such as world of warcraft?
I have gen one And i always Tilt in a Pacific direction. That means I can make it tilt towards North or the South. But I noticed there's more Satellites north so I make it point towards north
I wonder if you could connect the new router with the two Ethernet ports to the Gen 2 Actuated Dish, as I assume the aligning hardware is within the dish and not the router
For nomads the best is mini. Low power, compact, similar speeds. But the price is heavy. My gen 2 i got refurbed for £150 and the motors are great. Gen 3 seems like a step back for vanlife, more power hungry and you gotta fiddle with it to align. Sure you can perma fix it on the roof but you can do the same woth gen 2 it has tilt Flat mode for in motion.
Will Gen-3 "Standard Dish" with its 110 degree field of view function if flat mounted (face of dish parallel to the roof) on the RV's roof and NOT rotated?
I got a question JCristina first off i would not want to buy a fix dish the motorized version is plug and play don’t have to go outside and move it, the motorized one dose it for you. Second if you buy SpaceXStarlink do you have to start paying the monthly bill 120.00 when you receive it or only when it activate, reason i say this is just had knee replacement and won’t be climbing any latter in the near future just to install. Just though i buy it now put up when i heal up
You'll receive your first monthly service bill upon activating your Starlink, or 30-days after shipment, whichever comes sooner is how I understand it.
When I manage my starlink on a pole I found an antenna pole that slid right inside the bottom of the starlink Mast and I used two Automotive hose clamps it's been that way for a couple of months it's rock steady
Interesting and informative video. I just found out that Starlink is now available in my country - Malaysia- and have been looking for information and reviews on this. Thanks!
I'm about to buy a used OLD style and in addition I'll change the internal 110v transformer to a 12V direct from the RV/BOAT batteries. an inverter will help to drain batts in no time.
Just started with the Gen 3 Starlink. Used to do the 4G LTE SIM modem until T-Mobile weakened it's local signal so much that the service was falling too often to be good. Got the Starlink on Monday, installed it tuesday afternoon in 20 minutes. Was surprised it faces north given that I thought the satellites fly over the equator, but it works so much better than the LTE version. My question for you is: Internet to router is over 300MPS but when it travels my Deco mesh, it drops to 30 or so. Using the Deco system as a router is slower. I'm currently using the mesh system as an access point and it hits the 30mps, but it's still quite a drop. When near the router, I use the starlink wifi, superfast, but I would like the speed via the mesh system. Is there something i'm doing wrong? Thanks for your videos. I appreciate them.
No. I’m definitely 100% not going to “upgrade”. Should mention too that with the actuated receiver, not only will it align itself in the background for best connection, it can sense when snow or ice accumulates on it and will automatically run the melt function. This is FANTASTIC tech for me where I live. Especially seeing how it’s mounted 3 stories up. Won’t have to worry about in any weather. Not sure if this new one has that or not.
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FYI The one with the actuator only costs $250 USD in the Philippines and then only $45 a month for about 250 down and 50 up. They would not be providing equipment and monthly internet at a loss for large amounts of people on a regular basis. Other countries also get lower prices as well....
Do you know that the chipset does not come more robust to compensate for mobile? It could be using a much more powerful processor to calculate phased array use. Do you KNOW what is inside it? Motors may not be the only extra cost.
You said why would they want why would somebody want to put it on a pole because of snow obviously if it can't move how's it supposed to stay clean to be able to see the satellites if the snow is coming down and covers it
Now that one should be a lot cheaper I should be under a hundred bucks if I have to manually do it myself that's kind of BS
Totally agree it's definitely cheaper build but you're having to spend the same money
I've had my gen 2 dish since June of 2022. The service has only gotten better over time. I use roughly 1.5 TB a month. I've had no issues with live streaming or gaming. Overall it's been one of the best ISPs I've had. Even better than Xfinity when I lived in the city.
Likewise. 24 months of service so far here.
1.5TB a month, wholly crap. We have two people working from home (WebEx, Zoom and Teams meetings galore) and three/four people on the internet, streaming etc and barely ever approach 1TB.
@@jefferyshallI use 2-3 usually a month
@@jefferyshallI download a few games per month. Live stream multiple times per week, and upload videos often. I think downloading games is the biggest contributer.
We use over a TB too I hope they don't start doing the data caps and charging for going over everything is digital now so we use more data then what we used to. What was 500 gb was alot that's now what 1 TB is or more. It's crazy
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Well, it depends on what percentage of the cost the motors represent. I have a feeling they probably don't represent much; maybe 5% of the cost. Why? Well, these antennas are synthetic aperture, which means hundreds of tiny receivers, each with its own tiny antenna, amplifier, tuner, and a programmable nano-second delay line, so as to point the phase coherent angle to the exact spot in the sky you're communicating with by adjusting the delays dynamically. That all has quite a bit of cost; I don't even understand how they manage to make it as cheap as they do. Synthetic aperture was only used by militaries, before SpaceX. Having said that, I would have put a discount on the motor-less unit, just for the aesthetics.
You get a wider field of view, you can use it while moving (not recommended with the motor) you get the ethernet (already $30 off), it is lighter and way easier to handle, got a 24V dc plug, got a detachable cable (not fixed as the old model) and I think way worth the money. Also, as it is a phase array inside, orienting electronically I could not care less how much Space X has to pay (they are paying on top anyway) because the build cost has nothing to do with the consumer price.
I think the new model is the better one, as test show faster downloads even while moving and not perfectly aligned.
Just got back from a month on the boat from st petersburg to the bahamas with version 3, mobile package ($150). Flawless performance entire trip, even in 44 knot T-storm. Signal was cut off 15 miles off of Ft Lauderdale and came back on 15 miles from Bimini as predicted. Had voice over internet cell service entire time crossing Lake Okechobee which we never had before and free cell in Bahamas through Starlink. Unexpected benefit- We keep our boat docked behind our house. The signal was strong enough to serve all tv's and computers in the house so we cut the cord with cable, using UA-cam TV now. Also added one Starlink Mesh repeater and now entire property has Starlink Wifi from the boat. Overwhelming success and no intermittent dock wifi.
Your comment was very useful to me. I'm looking at adding Starlink to my boat for travel from Florida to Bahamas and beyond.
No, the new antenna does not have to cost less just because there are fewer (as in no) moving parts. I have a Gen 3. I’ll be using it for RV and travel use. It can and will be run on 12V without the use of a inverter. Plus, I never point the antenna in any specific direction when I setup. The antenna is mounted to my RV and is pointing straight up. It has worked perfectly each time.
You're forgetting 3 important things:
- Articulation was absolutely necessary when there were many times fewer satellites in the air, and they were harder to find.
- SpaceX does not like unnecessary moving parts, so if adding more antennas and a wider view will work, then they will do that, and it will only improve as they add thousands more satellites over time.
- Once the stationary panel has a wide enough field of view to match the available satellites, it seems to be better as indicated by its use for commercial connections, and Musk's claim that his own aircrafts connection tends to have impeccable speed and reliability.
Edit: Independent engineering analysts suspected that they were subsidizing the cost of the original antennas, due to the cost associated with phased array antennas usually more common for military uses etc than residential.
That was my guess, is that the original antenna design was a loss leader. They probably cost more to make than they were selling them for and making up the difference over the life of a subscription. The new design makes it more affordable to manufacture and no longer sells at a loss. By increasing the usefulness of it, minus the one-time extra steps when setting it up (using an app to aim it), I think it's an overall benefit. And as noted, less parts means less that can break. Those motors would eventually wear out or break, and as SpaceX says, the best part is no part.
@@ytmadpoo Exactly. I can't remember which channel it was, but someone tore down the original antenna and explained how it works pretty well, and why most companies would choose to save the cost and use a dish instead.
I ordered Starlink a few days ago, and I love it! I can game as it has a very low latency, I downloaded 50 GB in two hours; very fast.
They actually lose a lot of money on the Gen 2.
The argument that they have more Sats as time passes is a sound argument but at the end of the day who knows what will happen years from now. I would rather have it be able to move if it needs to.
@@Dreadlk Starlink has almost 5,000 satellites in orbit. As time goes by, Space X plans to have 42,000 in orbit.
I just purchased the starlink gen 3. I have no clue where this guy got his info. I have used it for 6 months with absolutely no troubles set up is easy and it work fantastic
I'm a trucker. The roof of my sleeper is fiberglass, and any antenna I'd use will be mounted up against the inside of the ceiling, pointing (more or less) straight up. Since price isn't a factor, I'll likely go with the new dish due to its wider field of view.
The inside unit is irrelevant, as I'll go with a direct Ethernet connection via a modded cable. (I'll need to shorten the 50 foot cable by about 40 feet.)
I use this new "Standard" Roam with my RV and it is GREAT!! Love it. Setup and easy to align. Took 10 min max. Up & Running with great Downlink/Uplink speeds!! A++++ from me.
Original dish, early beta tester. Still going strong through many Wyoming winters.
I like the idea of fewer moving parts, thus even more reliable.
Higher power almost certainly to power the additional antennas. It has to be able to go further off optimal angle in some cases, and now it can only do that via beamforming with stronger signals to compensate for lobing losses.
Yep
I have just bought Starlink standard in the UK .I mounted it and within 20 mins I was getting 171 downloads.I love it .Thank you Elon .
I'm coming up on my first full winter with Starlink. I usually get 2 or 3 snowfalls of nearly 2 feet so I have dishy on a 3 foot pole on the roof of a 2 story house. If the heater can't keep up with a brisk snowfall, I can put it into the nearly vertical stow mode momentarily to clear the face. Not going to be able to do that with the fixed one.
As usual, J, perfect content and delivery…. For all experienced and new SL customers, we thank you. BTW, I have the mobile backpack, with “standard” set up for mobile subscription. I have used the for work off a roofed porch hotels, parking lots, woods, building roofs, etc. I am wary of losing the automated set up where the motor moves the dish to the best spot per location. I do not have to fiddle around for hours pointing the dish. Motorized works better when there is not complete clear sky. And, depending on time of day and sats overhead, it will adjust to keep signal and improve it.
Lower power draw is better. Many of the times in use for mobile, I am using smaller solar generator to power the mobile kit. It will last for more than 13 hours (or much more) with no sun to recharge. Even cloudy days is enough to recharge plus run system. Adding more power to allocate may dictate larger solar cells and generator for mobile apps. Here is what I think…. Test them both in mobile setting. Same exact location. Might have to do test back to back (possible interference with two close together). Make the test where the sky is not 100% unobstructed from SL perspective. See how they compare in set up/tuning, and performance. I volunteer to bring mine to FL and test at a location with you J. We should figure out a way to get a new mobile set up for testing. We will be in your neck of the woods early December for short time. And during month of Feb-first half of March. Let me know if this makes sense.
I just set up the new thin panel. I am in the texas hill country. it is the fastest internet I have ever seen. to adjust the "twist" it is very very simple. You only have to adjust it once. If you put it where it is adjust it at that time
The flat version is easier to mount on an RV/Van without cutting out the back etc.
Bought the gen 3 and its the best internet ive ever had no regrets
I would just prefer to use Disy v2 with Router v3. Give me that option please>>>
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Given the three actuated dishes that have failed for me, maybe the simpler dish would likely be more reliable. But climbing up two stories to adjust is a PIA. Maybe the kickstand dish with an old fashion antenna rotator would work. Just a thought.
How did they fail for you? Trying to gather some rationale to justify my desire for the hp dish lol
On all three cases the router lost communication with the dish. Heater was turned off in the last two cases, which were also refurb units with new attached cables. Starlink never said what failed, they just send a replacement refurb unit.
@@kenbo80 I just went through the same experience with Starlink , I purchased my original set up in July of 23 worked fine till March 24 , reached out to Starlink , they said my router needs to be replaced , sent a new one , still didn't work , reached out again , they sent me a refurb unit , sent back old setup , so far working fine and using the second router as a mesh extender
Like in an RV, rotate the Antenna, cool concept if needed
Weird mine works flawlessly here in Ranshaw Pennsylvania
I think more emphasis should be brought to bear that there are more Active Elements on the larger Sq inch dish that will improve reception both in angle of view, and clouds / tree cover. That would also account for the additional power usage. And put less emphasis on lack of motor movement. That would also account why no change in price. ie: more electronics, less mechanical = same price, more reliable.
I think it's hard to beat the autonomous self aiming antenna for signal strength and ease of deployment
😂😂😂😂😂 you deploy the kickstand one time during setup and that’s it………….
the app is really good at helping you point the dish ONCE. Pretty sure cost reduction removed the cool robotics.
looks like you conclude it wrong. it is exactly for better signal strength, that the gen 3 has bigger dish than gen 2. you do have to deal with the hassle of positioning the unit (for optimal signal), but after you do, the gen 3 gives you better bandwidth than gen 2. lots of gen 3 vs gen 2 videos had shown that.
thank you for our reviews. really helped. i will settle for the second gen. i loved it when i saw it could alter itself, so reduces the stress to find out it wasnt aligned to do so manually
Here in New Mexico, after you conveniently set your new dish on a table, you may come back an hour later and have to follow the cables across your lawn to track down where your dish sailed away to. That's true with most states in the West. The wind blows and at times blows hard. Even sandbagging it would be tentative.
Stake it!
That's wild. My v2 has stayed in the same place through 4 hurricanes.
My Gen 2 blew off the roof of the RV about a year ago, been using it in the stuck pointed strait up (perfectly flat/horizontal) position ever since and still works flawlessly.. Just ordered the mini, glad to see they have an ethernet out port as I use a 3rd party unifi dream machine.
I’m SO HAPPY I purchased the 2nd Gen 2 months before they first changed the price (mine is locked in at discounted $90 rate) about 3 months ago! I decided to mount it to the eves on the side of my roof and will most likely purchase a mobile high performance unit if needed. Also picked up an ASUS AX11000 PRO GT using its 10g WAN port. I originally set it up on my front lawn and was experiencing about 15% obstructions (bottom portion hitting top of trees) but since we put it on the roof its been super fast and NO spinning wheel of death. I LOVE MY GEN 2 for its built in snow melt heater and self articulation! Thanks J for creating great content for everyone to enjoy all while getting the best info needed to make the best informed decision. (I am also located in New England and the dish pretty much stays at its original 33 degrees NE).
Awesome.
As far as adjustment the old direct TV dishes had to be aligned on poles and roofs. One thing you didn't consider on the price, since the new dish is bigger and requires more power my thinking is that it has more cells or is a stronger receiver and transmitter to compensate for being slightly off alignment. So you may actually be getting more for the money
Yep. Could be.
True you had to align them yourself, but that alignment never changes.
@@jcristina As someone who has 2 decades in the industry as an engineer, the lack of actuators in the new dish is NOT a big deal & a non-issue. First & foremost, the actuators in Starlink dishes did NOT play a role in them tracking satellites. Their main purpose is general aiming during setup. To aim at an optimal path NOT the satellite per se. In other words the actuators just makes setup as easy as possible. Also unlike DirecTV & Dish Network dishes which just stamped pieces of metal that must be aimed directly at the satellite, the Starlink dishes are phased array antennas. That means these are beam steering dishes. Starlink dishes can steer it's beams precisely at an overhead satellite and even track it as the satellite moves across it's arc in the sky.
Second, given that the new dish is larger, that most likely means they've added more elements to the new dish increasing the width of the arc it can steer it's beam. Adding more elements but removing the actuators equals out the price tag.
Lastly, given that Starlink has been steadily increasing the number of satellites in it's constellation, finding an optimal arc (path) is even easier now. The main take-away is phased array technology was only available to the military; Then it came to commercial applications like cell towers in the 2000s. Now that same technology is now available to consumers. Phased array antenna technology allows the steering & pointing w/o having to physically orient at the endpoint. All that is required is to point in the general direction.
@@TheWallReports From another engineer with 2 decades of experience in the industry I recommend everyone to read this post before making your own post. If you still aren't clear about how the Starlink system works, google a definition of phased array and one of Starlink System Operation.
The newer versions of Starlink dishes, such as the "Dishy McFlatface" (Rectangular Dish), use a phased array antenna. This advanced technology eliminates the need for moving parts like motors. Instead of physically moving the dish, the phased array electronically steers the beam to communicate with the satellites. This makes the design sleeker, more reliable (fewer moving parts mean fewer chances of mechanical failure), and easier to install.
They all use a phased array antenna. But at the beginning straight up was no optimal nor in any direction. With over 6,000 satellites now, straight up work very well.
The way I understand Gen 3 will pickup and not have to do anything else. If it needs adjust ment mount it so it can be reached easily.
Great video. I was looking into buying Starlink V4 and then it showed I could buy it at different stores like Home Depot and Walmart for 299.00. I’m in Indiana with no good reception or Wi-Fi. Good deal??
Thanks for the thoughtful review. For the last year, we’ve have the standard articulating dish mounted flat on our camper’s roof, which disables the motors. I did a couple of tests before mounting it and found that allowing the dish to aim itself made no significant difference.
The more streamlined design of the new dish is great, but I just wish Starlink would offer the router without the router part! Many have reconfigured the articulating system to use 12V power so they can use a low-power 12V router. It would be great to have a dongle that consisted of a power supply and an ethernet port to connect to any router.
(But at least this one has a power brick - it’ll be interesting to see what power consumption will be if the power brick is replaced with a 12V buck booster.)
With the high monthly cost, the purchase point is not a tipping point. (Especially when we’re all carrying around $1,000 cell phones.) How long until Starlink is bundled with Starlink Cell? :)
For me, the decision to get the new dish will hinge mostly on performance. If it’s even better at piercing through tree cover (which is rarely a problem with our current dish) I’d strongly consider it.
Great video. For me, the roaming service works best...problem I have had is unplugging it multiple times and having issues with the Gen 2 cord. I have had my gen 2 replaced by Starlink 3 times due to problems with the cord. Send out a new cord to find out the internal connection on the dish is damaged. Could be a damaged cord or damaged connector on the dish. While I wasn't happy with the price of the new Gen 3, I purchased solely on the new RJ45 type connection. That said, I wish they would have just kept with the Gen 2 actuated unit and re-designed the connection method. The Gen 2 problem is with the roaming function. Leaving the Gen 2 plugged in at your home and never unplugging it solves the problem of constantly traveling and needing to disconnect and reconnect the unit. The Gen 2 cord/plug is a big weakness.
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I think that these dished actually cost Starlink more than $1000. They are selling these at a loss to get you to signup. They eventually make up the different through monthly fees. So I think that why the two dishes are priced the same.
I heard that they are now making money and now longer upside down on the kits, Patrick.. I believe that happened a few months ago.
The phased array antenna is a pretty expensive piece of hardware. I used to work at a high end circuit board manufacturer and the material cost was high on that type of board because of the application. The antenna is the circuit board is almoat the size of the dish.
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@@jcristina You are a 💯 percent correct sir, in my Ed McMahon voice ... 🕊️
@@stable-shadow "Ha Ha -- YES!" also in Ed McMahon's voice ;-)
I wonder if it’s possible to use the motorized gen 2 dish with the new router.
You can, but still need the Gen2 router as a dish psu, in bypass mode, with the Ethernet adaptor to the Gen3 router
8:53 it got to the roof somehow right? You aline it right after you mount it
Question…I just purchased the newest unit for my Airstream. My Airstream is prewired with an ethernet outlet on the outside. Can’t I just plug the Starlink cable from the “antenna” in the external outlet of the Airstream and then place the Starlink router inside my Airstream and connect the Starlink router with an ethernet cable to the Airstream internal ethernet outlet?
Yes sir. Should work just fine.
9 months later and this video is outdated.
I'm getting the version 2, here in the french countryside. Last of these units at 250 euros, on sale, with the ethernet adapter at 40 euros, standard monthly of 40 euros. I have to fix mine on top of the chimney and so your info was crucial to my situation, well done and thank you. PS, my adsl is the same per month and gives me, at best, 5 Mbit down and 1 Mbit up - I'm hoping to see some considerable improvement.
Pls let me know how it goes. I’m looking at it for a house in Normandy.
If the output from the AC to DC Adapter is 12 to 13.8 Volts, then the modem can be directly powered by vehicle accessory power.
Yes, that’s the new Gen3 router, and it will not get so ‘warm’ and should work better in hotter weather. The Gen2 router is slower over 30C
I have it and it is excellent. Works perfectly!
Thank you.
I have the new version dish. I put it outside face it on general direction then do an alignment test and it s over.
Completely agree. I was excited about the new unit and not having to carry the large stand would be a big plus for me but wish there was a DC option. Can't imagine using the new version and fuss with trying to align on a pole but while traveling/camping, the new one have great potential but not worth the extra spending to trade it until they come out with a no stand and DC option.
There’s quite a few videos of people showing how to run these things off of batteries and other types of power
@@shockingguy Yeah. It uses POE, which is in itself DC, and is a widely understood standard that's been around for ages in the IT world.
Just curious, why do you think lots of people where buying the Gen2 before Gen3 became available and cutting out the guts so it would not adjust? To me, it seems that there is a need for a flat unit for $599. I think it is because It would be much nicer to have a permanent receiver mounted on my boat or camper that was flat and out out the wind. I also think that SpaceX has added a lot more satellites since the first Gen2 was released and there is not as much of a need for the receiver to adjust anymore? The Pro model is flat and works fine from everything I read. Let me know your thoughts. With the Gen 3 you can get the convivence of the performance model by being mounted flat and also get the unlimited plan. To me it seems the lowest plan the performance model has is only 50G and more expensive than the unlimited Standard plan. I am trying to weigh my options before I purchase. This was my first time to view one of your videos, but will watch more and wait for your thoughts. BTW I am in the NE as well and plan to be on the water.
I completely agree with him! I was thinking the same thing. How could the price jump so high for this downgraded version? The only good aspect is that it's small. Personally, I don’t mind bringing my old version with me, even if it’s a bit larger, and using it as a mobile device.
I have the new kit I purchased it when it was on sale for $299. It is on the roof of my motorhome I first used the standard mount. Worrying about the wind I decided to buy their roof mount kit for 75 bucks. This can be adjusted for any type of roof flat 4/12 or greater pitch. All you need is a good quality level to make sure that no matter where you place it on the shaft that it is perfectly vertical. Dropped the dish on it use your cell phone to aim it and that's all there is to it simple, works great. It uses 60 watts of power after running for at least 15 to 20 minutes 140 Watts when it first turns on for the heater in it. When you put it to sleep at night it uses 20 watts. I am off grid and have my own solar system on my motorhome. I am currently running 1600 watts of solar panels and 600 ah in batteries. During the day no problem I produce more than enough excess solar power to control the unit. I just put it in a sleep mode starting at about 8:00 p.m. until 7:00 a.m. and there is very little drain on my batteries.
I literally drive my car right now.I have my dish stuck in the sunroof and it's working perfectly.I'm driving, and it's At residential one
I bought the Grn 3 last night, w kickstand. You made great points. Reconsidering to cancel and repurchase for the G2 dish.
Great info. We are looking to purchase Starlink. It seems your assessment is very good advice. Thanks
There are local guys here that mod their Gen2 (the actuated version) by dissecting them (motor disabling/removal) and adding their own power supplies. In spite of doing these things, they're not using their 'Frankensteined' equipment for mobile use...just on their roofs if their houses. Its like a cool thing to do - trendy I guess. They say it makes their equipment 'better'
Not too sure I understand the motives in play with these guys, but the Gen3 (kickstand) seems like an answer to their 'problems'
I have a Gen3 on a pole that I can rotate & lock in place if I ever need to. Three months going strong with no adjustments necessary. All is good! My salute to Elon & Starlink ❤
you're absolutely right. some people are just in a weird situation so they can't think straight.
Is the orientation set up, done once and forget it? Or even without any perturbation to dishy from time to time is necessary reorientation?
greetings, I have had the Gen 2 system for 2 years and use it on the road as I work and travel building Power plants. 1 to 3 years in a location. a mechanic working on a neighbors car ran my dish over. they have offered to replace it from a retailer. how do I switch the hardware and not get double billed or charged for 2 systems. I am 68 and am finding the no telephone # for customer service a little stressful as so far , I have heard nothing from Starlink since opening a ticket for my questions. any guidance is appreciated, Charlie
I have G2 two antennas in different houses and no issues, and now I received an offer for the Gen 2 for $350 $99 a month. This came up on Facebook this week.
My thought is they kept the price the same as the other units so that people wouldn't buy the wrong dish for them just because of the price. Unless I was going to be mobile, I would not buy the new unit. Even then, the self-actuating unit is not that much of a burden to take with you in an RV.
If you don’t mount it to a pole, What’s going to keep it from blowing away?
Two screws in the kick stand.
Good video. I watched your video this evening because a neighbor asked me to find out something about Starlink antennas. He’s decided to use Starlink. I have the old style antenna and I’ve been very happy with it, but my understanding, which I think came from you, was that the newest antenna was less expensive. We both have had our antennas for a couple of years or more, from a time when Starlink had significantly fewer satellites up there. As we continue to get more satellites, we may not need as much tweaking of the antenna over time. If it’s a couple of hundred dollars less expensive, I would take the new one if I were buying today.
I basically agree with you. Personally, I would go for the motor and lower power consumption model -- even if it is an older model. Who wants to keep running outside and adjusting the antenna when your internet drops. In the Philippines, they are selling the newer model with the higher power consumption. However, in the Philippines, where I live, electric power is extremely expensive. If my monthly power bill is $200 to $250 here, it would probably be $70 - $95 in the US. People try to avoid buying electrical appliances here. So I would want the lowest wattage unit I could get. They are significantly reducing cost to the units, and giving you a couple of crumbs in return. I really can't believe they took the self-adjusting motors out of the Antenna.
I had "bad connection" in yellow on my online account. They sent me a new cable that i received last friday. Today(Tuesday), it went offline. Now it says "bad connection" in red. They are sending me another cable.
What are the chances that both cables are bad?
Update, they changed their mind and decided to send another kit. It will be a refurbished gen 2. I have to send the old kit back. It lasted 7 months.
We RV with our Starlink, often times it is quite heavily wooded. We use a 30 foot telescopic pole and let the dishy do its thing! Can’t imagine using the other one too much.
I have ver.2 and would not change. My unit is on my roof and I am an older person. Changing it every few months is not an option.
My thoughts are that the dish came out before all of the satellites are in place. I believe that there will be enough satellites up in orbit that will make it such that it will not matter where you point the dish. Eventually you will have multiple satellites above you at one time that will be usable by the sdish no matter how it is pointed and it will pick the best connection at the moment.
Mine is out of line 11°. I didn’t bother going back on the roof to fix it and it’s working fine. I’m in the backwoods too. I think the fact that the wider angle of the new satellite makes it capable of not needing to be redirected. If I’m off 11° in the woods and it is still operating perfectly kinda makes sense.
As long as it works!
Do you think they are using the higher power to overcome not being able to track the satellites when sending?
that and the extra 10 degree field of view.. Possibly.
You didn't talk about the new antenna when we have wind 9 beaufort. We will put it inside the house not to lose it?
Home Depot had the new version on-sale for $299. So they have dropped the price.
I've had my Gen 1 dish for a couple months short of 4 years and it has never changed orientation. The gen 1, and I assume the gen 2, always cost more than Starlink charged for them because they needed to get them deployed. If they are breaking even or making a few bucks on the new one I am OK with that. If my gen 1 died I replace it with a gen 3 simply for the fully replaceable cable with standard RJ45s on both ends.
I live off-road in the mountains of Mongolia. My dish should arrive next week - standard actuated dish. I plan to put my dish on the roof of one of my containers, then add ballast to the legs. I can get up there with a ladder but it's not convenient, so I think the actuated model sounds better for me.
Put a small motor on it or use a manual crank
Good points . Let’s hope they don’t discontinue the motorized dishes!
I'm in the process of ordering Starlink but wanted to see more of your videos before deciding on the final product. After watching this video, you now have me thinking of which dish I would be better off with. I plan on installing this on the roof where I have the Viasat dish and mount still there after cancelling that service several months ago. However, after viewing the Starlink Residential Service Plans, the only choice available for a dish is the new recommended standard dish (unless I'm missing something). The previous one is no longer on the web page. Plus with this new dish I'll have to visit the Starlink shop and order the proper mount(s). Thanks for the video!!
my early beta version still working fine old round one should I upgrade ??
Don’t fix what is not broken. 😉
We have the news dish and have had no problems
Awesome
I have installed hundreds of each of these systems. Hands down, the Starlink Gen2 system "overall" is the better option imo. Due to the factors mentioned. Like Ron Popiel always told us, "Set it and forget it." See following for Gen2 vs. Gen3 key points
DISH: Functionality
Gen3 - I wouldn't worry too much about having to adjust your homes dish due to the ever changing orbiital satellites as was mentioned. The coverage over the lower 48 has become very dense. With the continued build out of Starlinks network coverage capabilities. Achieved by launching many more low orbit satellites, the coverage has become virtually solid anywhere with a clear view of the sky. Basically, we no longer need to search for newly launched orbital satellites like before. HOWEVER, inclement weather conditions could still create the need for adjustments. whereas Gen2 would self adjust. Therefore...
DISH FUNCTIONALITY: GEN2
CABLING:
GEN3 - The overall cabling design is better due to the one L shaped cable connection on the GEN2 is really poorly designed. You can run it from inside out to circumvent the need for a 3/4"-1" hole in your house required to get the end through and into your home.
GEN2- kits do come with standard 75ft of cabling included vs GEN3 mere 50ft. The need for additional cable length being required for added cost comes into play more often than you would think. 50ft is a bit ridiculous.(Elon, please give us the additional 25ft back bud?) Therefore....
CABLING: FUNCTIONALITY
TIE
ROUTER:
GEN2- With the needed dongle attachment for hardwire connectivity @ $30 vs. being built in on the GEN3. It really comes down to the dollars making sense.
ROUTER FUNCTIONALITY:
GEN2
Hope this helps give you an idea of the main real-life differences between the STARLINK GEN2 vs. STARLINK GEN3 MODELS. Always glad to help. Reach out to us on our socials, WeSat Inc. if you ever have any questions, we'd be happy to help. We are located in North Central Alabama and we do offer Professional Installation Services if you just want to let the pros handle all of that jazz for ya. EITHER of the systems isn't a bad choice if you need a great internet product, Starlink Internet is a FANTASTIC service provider that will change your opinion about "satellite" internet. FYI: it's not Hughesnet, Wildblue, or Exede.(High Orbit systems). Starlink(Low Orbit System) is where the line is drawn and makes Starlink stand in a league of its own. No comparison.
Heck I just got mine today to my dismay had a note in the packing box stating that the Version 1 with the actuator motors in it, had been discontinued and that they had given me the gen 3 with the new gen 3 modem as well with the 2 ethernet ports on the back of it..
Yeah I was attempting to take your advice J but as I stated above they wouldn't send me the Gen 1 with the motors in it. I'm guessing they watched your video also and figured it wasn't cost effective to continue making them. Well at least for the price they were charging.
I wonder if the new router is compatible with the articulated dishs, also, wonder if the router has upgraded wifi, or, other features we don't know about yet ...............
Mine is on a poll at the highest point on my tiny home. As I said, it's off by 15° which means I'll have to climb up there to correct it.
I think your right and should recall these units
Ive had the 2nd gen dish for 4 months now its beautiful! non peak hrs pulling 250+ mbps peak hrs drops between 20-60 mbps but never any buffering or loss of service. I did purchase a 3rd party router for wifi 6 though
I wish it was WiFi 6E or 7 personally.
I'm a RVer I have the gen 3 the one with the kick stand. I do not know but I have been told that the speed is faster but I really do not know if this is true or not. Being a RVer we have had places where we could not get a clear site of the sky but we were able to watch TV , streaming , and email with very little problems. Most of the time we have to place it some distance from our motorhome in order to get a better shot between the trees and this seems to work out better for us being able to do this. Seems like in the past people want to setup underneath trees everywhere , but with satellite internet its a bigger problem. I will order a longer cable so that this will give up better places to get signals. My wife is a gamer so when shooting between trees the 6 to 20 mbps seems not to work unless there is a somewhat clearing to the sky.
Could they be doing away with the motors because there are so many more satellites now that you don't really have to do anything but point it at the sky? and of course $$ savings on production.
I would not doubt it.. I bet they will at one point all will be pointing straight up.
@@jcristina They may but they still can't point them at the sats in geostationary orbits as the share the same frequencies and would interfere with each other. That is why dishes in the northern hemisphere are aimed to the north of their location. My dish in southern Illinois points northwest it moved from due north at the same time yours switched to northeast.
Here in Australia, where I live, I've watched mine change position at least 3-4 times a day as it tracks satellites for the best signal. It will be a complete pain if I have to get up on my roof every few hours to adjust the dish to maintain the best signal. I'm still annoyed that if you want to use the new router, it's not directly compatible with gen 2.
Ditto here in Montana.
Only as an AP I believe.
I would love to know if there is a data connection (speed or stability) advantage between the first generation dishes compared to the new one.
Yeah, my thoughts as well... however, I think at least in my case, that my OG dish is rate limited anyway because of the residential plan I'm on. Well, rate limited during "business" hours. Cause at night I seem to get 200+Mbps... during the day it's a bit more all over the place, 80-180Mbps (I work from home)... I think they QoS to allow priority access. However, during the beta and even though my service was way more unstable, I'd get 300 - 450Mbps. It would be interesting to see though, as you said.
@@mathewherges397it is not limited it is because more people use it during the day
"Not $599 hardware." Based on the wider scan angle, the new Standard Dishy has to have more active elements. (This tends to be supported by the higher power consumption.) So the savings from the removal of the mechanical movement is offset by the higher cost of the additional electronics. I'm actually surprised the new Dishy isn't priced higher than the current one.
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If I was mounting it on my roof then the older one and the new one does need to be cheaper in price. What about the internet speeds like is it enough to play the online game such as world of warcraft?
I have gen one And i always Tilt in a Pacific direction. That means I can make it tilt towards North or the South. But I noticed there's more Satellites north so I make it point towards north
I wonder if you could connect the new router with the two Ethernet ports to the Gen 2 Actuated Dish, as I assume the aligning hardware is within the dish and not the router
Still gonna work as intended your phone will still be able to rotate the dish or auto rotate
For nomads the best is mini. Low power, compact, similar speeds. But the price is heavy. My gen 2 i got refurbed for £150 and the motors are great. Gen 3 seems like a step back for vanlife, more power hungry and you gotta fiddle with it to align. Sure you can perma fix it on the roof but you can do the same woth gen 2 it has tilt Flat mode for in motion.
Will Gen-3 "Standard Dish" with its 110 degree field of view function if flat mounted (face of dish parallel to the roof) on the RV's roof and NOT rotated?
I got a question JCristina first off i would not want to buy a fix dish the motorized version is plug and play don’t have to go outside and move it, the motorized one dose it for you. Second if you buy SpaceXStarlink do you have to start paying the monthly bill 120.00 when you receive it or only when it activate, reason i say this is just had knee replacement and won’t be climbing any latter in the near future just to install. Just though i buy it now put up when i heal up
You'll receive your first monthly service bill upon activating your Starlink, or 30-days after shipment, whichever comes sooner is how I understand it.
My gen1 round dishy has been going strong for over 3 years. Why fix what ain't broke?
When I manage my starlink on a pole I found an antenna pole that slid right inside the bottom of the starlink Mast and I used two Automotive hose clamps it's been that way for a couple of months it's rock steady
Interesting and informative video. I just found out that Starlink is now available in my country - Malaysia- and have been looking for information and reviews on this. Thanks!
Congrats.
So you think I should stay with my gen 1 the round dish. I was going to upgrade. It would’ve cost me 499.
I'm about to buy a used OLD style and in addition I'll change the internal 110v transformer to a 12V direct from the RV/BOAT batteries. an inverter will help to drain batts in no time.
DC to DC 💪🏻
I have the Gen 1since Beta, I'm on the East coast of Australia my dish has never changed it's orientation.
Wow!!!!!
I wonder if the new router is backward compatible with Gen 2? For purposes of port.
They can mesh. Or use Gen2 bypassed (just powering dish) with Ethernet adaptor connected to Gen3
Just started with the Gen 3 Starlink. Used to do the 4G LTE SIM modem until T-Mobile weakened it's local signal so much that the service was falling too often to be good. Got the Starlink on Monday, installed it tuesday afternoon in 20 minutes. Was surprised it faces north given that I thought the satellites fly over the equator, but it works so much better than the LTE version.
My question for you is: Internet to router is over 300MPS but when it travels my Deco mesh, it drops to 30 or so. Using the Deco system as a router is slower. I'm currently using the mesh system as an access point and it hits the 30mps, but it's still quite a drop. When near the router, I use the starlink wifi, superfast, but I would like the speed via the mesh system. Is there something i'm doing wrong?
Thanks for your videos. I appreciate them.
Great video Joseph. Keep them coming
No. I’m definitely 100% not going to “upgrade”. Should mention too that with the actuated receiver, not only will it align itself in the background for best connection, it can sense when snow or ice accumulates on it and will automatically run the melt function. This is FANTASTIC tech for me where I live. Especially seeing how it’s mounted 3 stories up. Won’t have to worry about in any weather. Not sure if this new one has that or not.