Ex CAG Operator | Dale Comstock gives his opinion on why “Delta Force” is better then “DEVGRU”
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2022
- Dr. Dale Comstock served 10 years in 1st SFOD-D (The Delta Force) as an assaulter, explosives, mechanical, ballistic,and manual breacher, Team Leader, 3rd Special Forces Group (Green Berets) as a light and heavy weapons expert -Team Sergeant, and in the 82nd Airborne Division 325th Infantry. He also worked 9.5 years as a paramilitary operative for USG and concurrently worked as a contract security specialist, COO, Vice President, and President for various security companies applying his skills and knowledge on a myriad of security challenges around the world.
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The focus in SFOD-D appears to be on the individual candidate's ability to self-motivate and stay on task.
This matches with the original UKSF Selection process (which Delta selection was based on initially) where your initial selection stages are largely concentrated on selecting the right motivated candidate first over the best team player. That is not to say that you are not expected to function in a team in later stages, but that first and foremost you are to be able to self-motivate, remain mentally focussed and "self-determine" your actions against a specified task, under vague instructions and challenging conditions.
How this compares to DEVGRU is obviously subjective (unless the person has completed both selection courses), however I'd imagine the courses would be looking for very similar psychological profiles as both units fulfill similar counter-terrorist taskings with different insertion and operational specialties (amphibious vs land etc).
It has to be understood that specialization takes finite training time and that Delta and DEVGRU can not afford to be fully cross-trained to the same level of competence across the wide range of insertion and operational skills within both their roles. That is why they retain these different units under their respective branches.
There is no "Best". There is only "X is more competent for Y task".
Best and most genuine explanation of both units. I laugh at the pissing contest but they have to stay hungry. Lol. Thanks for sharing
there's no 'best' it's all about mission specific. Would I send CAG to plant mines covertly on a sub? no...
Would I send DevGru to go build an indigenous army? No
Either way BOTH operators have SEVERE issues when they leave and the armed forces should do a lot more to help these guys transition out.
i wanna see delta force and 75 Ranger regiment vs mexican cartels best battle ever
I’m not trying to get into a pissing contest with anyone, but I wholeheartedly disagree with what you’re saying here.
DEVGRU is a very elite unit that selects solely from the SEAL teams. There are a few individuals who actually have gone through DEVGRU and THEN got out of the military and came back in and went into CAG (look up Kevin Holland). Based on my years of just being a sponge in this area and having close relatives serve in special units, the DEVGRU seems to be a highly-trained unit that spends a great amount of time training their guys on counter terrorism tactics and CQB, which anyone who is trained correctly and does it enough times will become very good at what they do.
In contrast, CAG is a unit that selects from the very best of all branches of the military. Their mission sets are very broad and unique. They survey possible future terrorist spots such as the CAG operators who spoke about their time in Mexico dresses as unarmed civilians as they walked into a cartel-infested area that happened to be a high-volume tourism area all for the purpose of testing how responsive the cartel members were, how they reacted to aggression or disobedience, and they also mapped out every possibly entry point in the hotels to have in file should a future hostage situation occur.
CAG is not only THE hardest unit to try out for, but it’s the most rigorous unit the remain in once you’re selected. Every day is selection, that’s the famous quote from every CAG guy interviewed. If you can’t perform better then someone new who is coming up, then you’re out and the new guy is in. They are ALWAYS taking the best of the best and their budget is limitless so their training is second to none. Their TTPs are unbelievable. CAG is the only unit in the world (at least they were) that assaults a building from all directions and clears to the center of the structure. SEALs, DEVGRU, Green Berets, etc. all clear from one side and sweep through to the opposite side of the billing. CAG will infiltrate from 360 degrees, as well as top-down and bottom-to-top, simultaneously.
In the end, DEVGRU could probably do 90% of that CAG does, but CAG can do everything DEVGRU does, but better.
Don’t take it from my dumbass. Go listen to others who have been there.
Todd Opalski is a former Marine Scout Sniper and Force Recon who was selected to go to the Delta selection process and he made it. He details the differences and the level of professionalism, training, missions, and unbelievable expertise within the CAG unit. He says there’s not another unit even closely comparable.
Kevin Holland is an ex-DEVGRU operator who ended up leaving the navy after several years in DEVGRU to pursue other things in life. After 9/11 he wanted to get back into the fight and called up his DEVGRU commander who said he would have to re-join the regular SEAL teams and deploy and then try out again. Instead, he heard about CAG and got in touch with a ranking member in the army who gave him an invitation to tryout for The Unit selection process to which he succeeded. He states that the process was nothing like he’d ever been through in his life and the ONLY reason why he didn’t quit during selection was because he couldn’t. He said he wanted to quit, but even if he did, he would still have to hike out and find help to get back to the camp, but by the time he got out and reached his marked destination he just decided to keep going every time. He specifically talks about how much more advance CAG operators are and how the training doesn’t even come close between the two units. He recommends anyone who wants to work at the highest level and the true tip of the spear, go try out for CAG.
Devgru's selection is called green team. And it is an individual selection, mabey not like delta's but they watch you very closely to see if you're good enough to make it into their squadrons. Rob O'Neil told stories of guys screwing up once in the selection then getting dropped. Its more of an intence "try not to fuck up". It has a cqb phase where majority of candidates fail, they have a dive phase, skydiving, SERE, etc. Devgru's selection is like real world combat scenarios, you have to have a perfect day everyday. Its like 6 to 9 months long, thats what I heard from rob o'neil.
"When the president wants to look good in the news paper, he calls the Navy"
"When the president wants something to not show up in the News paper he calls Delta"
Those summer whites sure do look glamorous.
Well stated.
Well if he want to call when it's gonna be fucked up amd fail. Wait did i.say that
@@adamgajewski81 Learn English or post a comment when sober.
All the high profile missions recently in the last 20 years have been done by DEVGRU. One of those missions was exposed by Obama so the comment is kinda wrong 🤔
As an Air Force guy, I had the privilege to work with both units, and have a great deal of respect for both.
While I enjoyed the interview, I believe it’s obvious, at least for anyone who’s been involved with Tier One, that this interview was comparing apples to oranges. If we’re going to compare selection processes, use the actual screening processes, don’t compare BUD/S to CAG screening. DEVGRU is a separate process than SEAL training.
The men I worked with in both, CAG and DEVGRU, were some of the most down-to-earth guys I’ve met. None of them were the loud-mouths in the room. 👍
Very inaccurate assessment, selection for green team isn't the same as buds and according to most delta guts who served in Iraq & Afghanistan alongside the seal team 6, today they r almost at the same level as delta, almost interchangeable, which is exactly what Jsoc & Gen Stanley intended both units to be.
Thats how it should be. Met some GSG9 Officers troughout my father. Super chilled dudes. Very humble.
@@user-rx3uq9fs2m yeah, some good dudes. They wanted to know more about others rather than the “I this, or I that”. And if anyone had bragging rights, it’d be them.
Agreed. But dales recount of the CT olymics was a good listen. Guaranteed they had pat Mac on that team.
Concurr
Thank you for this particular interview its just what I needed to hear.
I was a 3 year army infantry veteran 85-88 and I was absolutely impressed with your interview and your facts I am from Missouri and I just wanted to tell you that even though you don't get much credit you guys are the real heroes
I appreciate the fact that delta doesn't talk about what they do. Anytime the government can erase your identity as a US citizen to protect the mission, and these guys are willing and able to step up to that role, that speaks volumes.
Living next to Ft Bragg, I have the opportunity to become friends with some wonderfully patriotic guys. I have been able to meet a few of the retired Delta guys. One of my old neighbors had gone through selection and made it to the last couple of weeks and broke his femur. He was already a SF guy but I lost contact with him after we moved but he was supposed to go back through. The retired Delta guys that I have met are the baddest mfrs I have had the opportunity to know. Thank you sir for your service and thank you to all who wear the uniform protecting our asses. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Also living by Bragg you know when something is up. I notice those middle of the night flights.
all this talk and bluster and still got their asses handed to them by a bunch of goat herders with AK-47s. lol "muh Delta Force"
It's very interesting to see the way the different services identify the qualities they want and execute on the end result differently. Purely as a spectator I can see how the more mysterious process of Delta could help identify stronger candidates that are better suited for the rigors of CAG operations.
Cool interview- Dale is an inspiration... glad he's on our side.
As I'm watching this he mentions some stuff about the term "operator" and what sets Delta apart... just such an awesome insight and commentary. Thank you for this.
Great interview , thanks Dale!
One of the only positives of social media is getting to follow Delta guys. They have so much knowledge and cool stories and just really down to Earth honest to goodness cool dudes.
My father was in Delta :). He knows and served with Dale Comstock.
This is a good video. I saw Delta 1 time in an almost 8 year army career. It was in Iraq during the battle for Samara. These guys are different, but a good different. Extremely professional. I couldn’t help but take notice of them. And so was everyone else. Thanks
what I am about to tell is 100% true. When I was a young Buck Sergeant stationed at Bragg I went with another NCO buddy of mine to the Delta briefing that the Ed Center on Smokebomb Hill where they did the monthly Delta recruitment briefing.
It was late Spring at the time. My buddy and I were dead set on going for it. We had just returned from our second rotation to the sandbox, working with these guys daily was all we needed to want to be them. We were motivated like never before. Showed up at the stadium at the end of Longstreet and did our APFT (this is 2004 BTW), then changed and headed over to "THE COMPOUND" after and took an IQ test at the visitor center there.
We were then sent a link via email and had to do this long, lets call it an exam. We were emailed to come to York theater, this was the selection part.
200 across the Army were selected to attend selection, I was one of them! Then I learned what part of the US Army had the most power and influence of anything ever, USAREC (United States Army recruiting Command). Less than a week after I was selected to attend selection I came down on recruiting orders. Made some phone calls and emails with my CAG recruiter; I was told, sorry bud, USAREC rules over all. the Delta recruiters are part of USAREC, and they informed me that once USAREC had their claws in me I was done.
My dreams of becoming an elite operator was over. I went to SFAS 3 years later but wasnt selected at the end. That was to be a green beret, if I couldn't earn that I doubt I would have even lasted a few days in CAG selection. To everyone that ever tried, my hat tips to you. and for those that made it, I will gladly buy you a drink.
Sine Pari
From what I've heard every unit in usasoc or tradoc is exempt from recruitment duty (I was in both and never saw anyone get recruitment orders), if they had cut you orders for selection you would have gone. The only thing I've ever seen keep someone going to a selection or school they had orders for is being within 12 months of their ets date. Props for attempting sfas though.
@@jk.smalls good call on that, when I sat with my USASOC recruiter (delta recruiter, who is USAREC 79R) he said that according to the time line the Recruitment orders where cut a week earlier. now my CSM in USAREC felt sorry for me because of the situation so he pulled some strings and that landed me in SFAS. sadly that was 2 years after being in recruiting and was in no condition to compete with the line soldiers when I went. still made it through the course, but was not selected.
thank you for your service man, much appreciated.
Need to get him & an Devgru guy on as a podcast 🐸🤔
Would be a waste of time with a mindset such as his.
If you watch his interview with combat story he leaves Delta shortly after he gets back from his first mission with Delta. So wtf does he know he was the new guy that got let go? Then he did a year or two doing bodyguard work for the CIA. Then becoming a merc, doing questionable things for the UAE Government.
@@JohnDoe69986 wrong 😜💯
@@JohnDoe69986 wasn't Saudi it was UA actually get the facts buddy!!!!
@@clintcoop5717 on that one detail yeah you’re right
Love it! Dale keeping it real! Dude is a badass
The Dude is a gobshite, when he said Delta force were the best SF unit in the world and how they competed against every other SF unit in a competition in Europe but he managed not to mention British SF.
Great interview!
Excellent interview.
I love this guy's spirit.
This is an interesting conversation. I would love to hear Kevin Holland’s take.
Thank you for sharing
Thank you for your service
I went to Ranger school class 9-94 and I know is not the same , but like he said....you can have a change of mind but not a change of heart. what it helped me at that time, I kept saying to myself....if I quit now....I'll quit later on, I made it! I thought Ranger school was tough at that time....I can't imagine Delta Selection! That's why they ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST!!!!!
Ranger school is gay as fuck. The only Rangers are 75th ranger regiment.
Delta selection was based heavily on SAS selection as the founder Col Beckwith went through SAS selection in his mid 30s I recall, which is an old man for such a ultra challenging thing to survive. Read of Col. Beckwith's book is a must.
lol hey man not old at all for that selection
@@williamferguson8914 Worked with Col. Beckwith in Viet Nam and JCRC. He had a huge challenge initially and took the fall for the mistakes of President Carter.
@@williamferguson8914 Do you know what the average age is of those who pass and who the oldest to pass was? I was told average age is 24-25. Passing SAS in your mid 30s is yes, old for that selection and very rare as only approx 10% of the lads in their mid 20s survive it.
@@paulbrown6338 He spoke well of Carter in his book. What mistakes did Carter make that directly impacted the failure of Operation Eagle Claw? Once Carter gave the green light to make the attempt, was not all the planning etc done via Beckwith and his people?
@@paulbrown6338 Can you please explain what mistakes he had to take the fall for? Were there mistakes or missions gone wrong withing SOG that he ordered but the Col took the fall?
Ask MSG Kevin Holland. As far as I’m aware he’s the only man to have gone through selection for both DevGru and CAG. Everyone else, including both DJ Shipley and Dale Comstock, are speaking only from one side of the argument. Ask MSG Holland.
Just as Dale said, seals try out for Delta, not the other way around. He says it's a downgrade for delta to try out for the seals.
The answer is delta dude idk why you're being provocative...for fun? Lol
@@soulkitchen1979 you listen to MSG Kevin talk he’s says his buddy (CAG Operator) told him bout a lil selection saying you walk through woods with a compass so when Kevin wanted back into the game after 9/11 he went to CAG selection and pass obv bc he was in DEVGRU but he says “it was a lil more that a compass and woods so I let my buddy know that when I got back” Kevin didn’t know it was Delta my opinion I think Delta operators will says it’s better andDevgru operators will say there better but MSG experience seems to say that Devgru was more intense
@@soulkitchen1979 more like Delta try’s to recruit you😂 .
No need….Kevin went from Devgru to Delta..there’s your answer…
Ty for your service Dale
(edited) not sharing my INFO here, go figure it out yourself, keyboard warriors.
fascinating. know any names?
I think it also might be do to age cag are usually older not in his case
DEVGRU has culture of promoting war crimes whilst CAG is more proffesional.
Bullshit….you made that up….name a couple of these guys and tell me where they said that and when ????
Name one who's been thru both liar.
Awesome interview!
Best explanation I have heard...thx
Could listen to this guy all day!! Bet he has some helluva stories!!👍👍👍
Heres a joke: Delta force operator, Marine force recon and a SEAL walk in a bar….The SEAL writes a book about it.
My stepfather was 10th group and deployed with Det-A during the 80s. Much respect for all of the Green Beret's out there they truly are a cut above the rest.
My dad was stationed at Ft.Devons...He had a repelling accident. 1980....
I really wanted to hear this guys back ground and childhood. What modeled this man to be a warrior
Great explanation Dale .. 👍🏻
I had a guy on active duty that went to selection. He was a triathlete and washed out in less then 2 weeks. However he did try and pass the special forces qualification course later on.
I’m a big DEVGRU fan but I believe what this guy says. Real professionals keep quite.
Exactly.
And there are plenty of DEVGRU guys that do fx the first guy to shoot OBL
A devgru fan ? This ain’t some sports team 😂😂
@@davidjonathannn950 I’m picturing this 16 year old kid in a bikini waving a NSW flag saying” Go Devgru, Go Devgru, Go Devgru like a cheerleader or something😂
@@jimclayron417 lmfaoo
Especially we just really best ourselves by managing that voice in our heads and hearts!
The main thing I liked was how he talked about the silent professional. You can google a ridiculous number of Seals verbalizing what they did going for trophies or book deals. You don't see a delta force guy getting a book deal or God forbid being on national TV describing what they did and how. I am former Army, so I do have a bias. I think Delta is the premiere force in this world, they are the tip of the spear. Seal teams as they are depicted seem like frat houses whereas Delta comes off as the professors.
Do some research, there are plenty of books written by ex delta operators.
Well said. I used to train with one of the original Delta guys. Told me he constantly got offered book deals. Just the idea of it pisses him off. Yep, "squeal teams."
@@rf3459 Do some research like i said. And tell me what you come up with. You are judging the many by the actions of the few, which is highly ignorant.
Do some research like i said. And tell me what you come up with. You are judging the many by the actions of the few, which is highly ignorant. And if you have never worked along side any of them then why comment on what you don't know?
The Delta guys tend to be older than the SEAL guys, I believe, so more maturity there.
All he had to say is everyone wants to be delta. That proves who's the top dog. I admire the silence, adds to the glory of delta. The guy who makes delta will get the job done.
Love the way he didn't try to avoid the question with the usual..."no one is better"
He answered it straight up.
In his book he ranks the best military units IN THE WORLD. It just so happens to be they are the units he served in. Like a real American.
@@G4x5da I mean by definition the USA has both the largest and most well funded military in the world. Additionally, the population of the US is absolutely massive so there are way more people to draw from for special ops. Therefore, while it may seem kinda braggy for him to say it chances are it was likely true
@@jonc2430 those things you mentioned doesn’t make a great specops unit. It’s a typical American reasoning: we’re bigger and pay more money, thus it’s better
@@G4x5da Ya but if you had to put money on which country had the best spec ops group would you not pick the USA. I mean like a said the country is soon so they have way more applicants to pick from and they are the best funded for training so logic does follow they would have the best special forces despite your grudge against America.
I mean some of them are better at different things. It comes down to the job that needs to get done and the unit itself. I know my buddy got to train with some SEALs and GB units that he considered to be disappointing, but there were others that were total Studs
Thank you for your service. I wouldn’t want any conflict with any of these top tier hero’s.
I agree 1000% the Unit are the true quiet professionals. In many ways I wish we could get more stories from unit members but then I have to for Glory that's why I like the unit.
I have nothing but respect for this man and I enjoy the back and forth between Army and Navy team guys, it's a healthy rivalry that has done nothing but make each of us be better wether it be for bragging rights or a personal decision to be the best. Though I personally never had the honor or pride of being in DEVGRU I don't think it's fair to compare the training that we receive in BUDS that emphasizes being apart of a team and that the team is only as strong as the weakest link, that if he quits on you in training he will quit in combat to the advanced level of commitment, training and individual effort it requires to be chosen from green team to be a tier 1 Navy Seal. Not taking anything away from Delta you guys are studs but I just think you should compare Delta selection to Green team to make it a more accurate assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of both units which is why in the end all of the SOF community works together. Dale you are a true warrior and a total rockstar bro.
You are not even a Seal after Buds. Is just a 6 month selection process to make it to the real Seal training and making it to the teams and your peers in the teams will finally judge you after deployments (real life). That's their process. Very different than Delta. Delta they can take anybody even Coast Guard and National Guard to try out. Seals won't let you tryout for Devgru unless you are a top Seal in the teams and have years of deployment with the teams and your own peers in the teams decide if you are Devgru material in deployments not a training school application process. We know that Seals have been average or barely made it through Buds but once they get to real life deployments they excel in leadership and the job. Sometime you can do great in training and not so great in real life deployments or you are not a good team leader but the process of Devgru and Delta are different.
I’ll always have more respect for Delta force. They are the quiet Professionals who get the job done and after all these years they are the best kept secret in the SF community. The Seal community is filled with a bunch of glory hounds. You know you’re good when people know little about you but they still respect you anyways.
Its like how many Delta movies vs Seal movies are there? Seals always gotta write that book
@@forrestgumball I have never met a Navy Seal but when I do I will ask them if they have a book. I can’t wait when that happens.
Are you all too young to remember all the Delta Force movies with Chuck Norris? Those were a thing long before any SEAL movies. I respect the hell out of all the military, especially the Tier 1 assets.
@@Mounty621 I absolutely remember the chuck norris Delta Force movies. They’re so goofy lol. That 80’s cheesy… But I still love em 🤙🏼
@@Mounty621 Could you suggest some?
I'm thankful that we have warriors like this man that volunteer to serve our country.
And yet the USA loses almost all its wars, often against dudes in sandals with ak-47s. Maybe America's warriors are overrated?
So very well described regarding group a collective pool to draw from and inspire when tasked to an individual who whilst recognises the abouve will continue regarless as and individual pushing that extra mile to complete mission and exstract
I've seen Green Berets compete in marksmanship against many other Speical Operation units all across the globe. The Green Beret marksmanship was the best. So I can only imagine how good Delta would be. I am sure Deltas marksmanship is on an entirely different league. Dale doesn't seem stuck up or rude. It seems like he wouldn't treat people like they were inferior to him.
They are. All of them are top-tier marksmen and CQC shooters. There are guys in the private world who compete in marksmen competitions who are just as good, but even these guys will tell you there are guys in Delta who could win championships if they weren't in a secret military unit. I am sure it's the same with DEVGRU - both of them train endlessly in CQC situations and they are all top notch "shooters."
@@JohnSmith-ys4nl Devgru is good but you cannot beat Army marksmen in Delta and Green Berets. I've witnessed it. Competition shooting is completely different than war zone fire. Don't let anyone tell you different. When you are returning fire every shot counts because your life depends on it.
True but I’m sure he feels that way……
As he has every right too.
Marksmanship is a function of repetition and time. Put in enough reps over a long time, in different shooting / mental / physical conditions and there you go! The result is a litteral aimbot that can shoot most weapons as if it's a reflex.
Concept is easy yet very (cost) prohibitive to civilians and most frontline army & marines units.
The difference between a top tier team and the rest is money, which gives you more time to invest in better training and selection.
@@jasonhull2163 I mean I’ve heard green berets admit that seals are better when it comes to direct action
Much respect to the guys that took the military to the max. I turned wrenches. Crazy to hear someone call rob O’Neill a turd….speaks to what this dude has been through
Or jealously that the other guy is well known and gets hired as a contributor for a major news channel, while this guy is doing random podcasts.....
@@joecamel328 go wikipedia this man's reseme and think again
@@joecamel328 This bloke makes me laugh, what came first Delta force er no British SF came first and Delta force just copied everything even down to the selection process.
They sent that guy to a vet because he had the heart of a lion.
When my dad trained delta in the late 70s early 80s he never talked about how and what they trained I was an airbourne ranger 20yrs combat vet my dad 30yr special operator and still don't know everything about it
One of the few that can really compare is MSG Kevin Holland, who was a SEAL in DEVGRU and then went to CAG until he retired. He'd be the best to really discuss the differences.
His opinion would be valued. But, when you cross train with other units, you have a solid estimate as to how good they are. Dale’s opinion is solid, and from experience.
@@philipdru9290 Actually, Holland's are experiences not opinion, he WAS a SEAL ST6 Operator for many years so he wouldn't have any bias leaning toward either, just his facts and experiences for being a member of both units.
I saw a speech where Kevin Holland explained this and said the only reason he went to delta selection was bc he was devgru when he retired and when he went back to reenlist after 9/11 they said he would have to do a rotation with a regular seal team b4 going back to devgru. So he said fuck it and went to delta.
One of his mates in DEV told him to go to Unit Selection instead.
BUT he had to 'enlist' first since CAG can't recruit civilians, so he joined his local National Guard Unit (Engineers) and then called the CAG recruiter the next day and said 'OK, I'm in the military now' and off he went to Selection
This is equivalent to the SAS v SBS comparison we get in the UK.
Mind you here they have exactly the same selection up to the continuation probation period where they separate. Delta selection is the same as SAS selection circa 1977 as he describes it. The first delta operators trained in the UK 1977/78.
Almost all modern day sof us the SAS as a template
Charlie Beckwith modeled delta off of SAS. He was an exchange officer with them. The name delta came from his unit in vietnam. he was tasked with setting up a special operations unit called project Delta. They were supposed to be the "super secret fun stuff guys". well, he got shot in the stomach and was send home. He eventually went to SAS selection and earned a Tan Beret. he then started delta force modeled off of SAS. DevGru was started by Dick Marcinko who was an old Vietnam SEAL. He knew the Navy needed this same skill set, he thought Delta and Beckwith was a bit too SAS. Beckwith thought Marcinko was a bit to groucho marx (crazy). Anyway, I think what is being said in this video is simply interservice shit talk. Delta you try out to be on this competition team. Maybe SEAL 6 doesn't require tryouts. I mean, it does make sense. Who wants to be doing this when they can be taking down baddies instead.
This explaination works with everything in life.
CAG guys aren’t even humans, they’re like the Terminator!
I noticed when comparing the selection process Dale seems to be comparing Delta selection with BUD/S instead of the Green Team (DEVGRU) selection course. It may be that the DEVGRU selection process is more similar to DELTA since if a team guy qualifies to go tryout the instructors already know he knows how to be a team player, so perhaps it is based more off individual ability? I don’t know personally though since it seems like there is very little public information about the selection process for DEVGRU where as there is a lot known about BUD/S. Anyway it seemed to me he was all around comparing “regular” SEALs to Delta rather then DEVGRU both in the selection process and capabilities. Just my thoughts. Could be wrong.
I thought the same thing
It’s because DEVGRU doesn’t have a physical selection aspect. Everyone has already been through BUD/S so they’re not out to see who is the “hardest man alive” anymore. They simply slap peoples face up on a white board at DEVGRU HQ in Damneck and when TG’s walk by they either mark “yes” or “no”. If you have enough “yes” votes, you get invited to screen for green team, which is essentially all tactical training measuring your capability as an “operator”, not your heart/grit. Attrition rate is approx 50%. In essence, DG does not have the same barrier to entry as Delta since they skip out on the physical aspect of selection and make it essentially purely tactical.
@@DG-tf2mw yes, they do have a physical screening.
@@michaelb2906 It's way more difficult because no one knows what the standards are whatsoever, so yes.
@@DG-tf2mw DEVGRU and Green Team 100% has a physical screening. I’m not gonna deep dive but look at DJ Shipley’s example he gave of his PT screening and it will put it into perspective.
As a lifetime bodybuilder both natural and not at times.. I'm constantly looking for new inspiration from men to fire my ass to keep going.. everyone looks towards Hollywood phonys.. he is what I now watch ..study and listen to ..a true warrior ... glad he exists for America to see .. thank you ..
When I was on Delta Force in 1980 myself and Sergeant C.Norris got in a fight with 10 Navy SEALS needles to say the SEALS needed 10 ambulance's
Fuckin lol
Hi is this true? - Gilgamesh
Very cool! Thanks for sharing
😂 that movie rocks!!
@@frisc0strangler207 gilgamesh
Delta Force is based on the British Special Air Service; courtesy of Charles Beckwith. The training is for the individual. SEALS work as a group; it means one can hide if one wishes.
Doesn't sound like a grumpy grudge at all....lol
@@navvet7949 ButtHurt much! 🤡
How long can you hid from a SEAL instructor? Classes start big and end small. Eventually you will get noticed and get checked because of your effort. Plus SEAL instructors are known for forcing candidates to quit based on lack of effort. So that statement about “camouflaging” in a group during BUDS or Green Team is a very biased comment.
To operate at the level is really mind boggling
Dale is a solid individual!!!!
its really noticable how delta guys never seem to show of with their achievements. i only recently found out that pat mcnamara is an ex cag operator.
As a Marine Corps Vet that served in the Infantry and that has worked with both my opinion is that Delta and DevGRu are both the absolute best of the best. Both have certain mission capabilities that they can do better then the other one can. Most of the debate about who is better comes from people on UA-cam whose military experience comes from playing Call of Duty and playing airsoft. Seal Team 6 ( DevGru ) does it's selection through green team. Almost 60 % of the Navy Seals that apply for it don't make it and wash out..These same men were able to become Seals but can't make it to the tier 1 unit . Same for Delta...Most of it's members are either Green Berets or men from the 75th Ranger Regiment...... If you want to know which is harder there is no one better to ask then Master Sgt Kevin Holland who served in Seal Team 6 and on Delta. He got out of the Navy after being on team 6. After 9/11 he wanted back in the military so he joined the Army. He quickly became a Ranger and Green Beret. Then Delta Guys heard there was a Seal team 6 former member in the Army Special Forces so he was personally asked to try out for Delta. Msgt Holland said the course for Delta was extremely hard but that he thought the Seal experience was harder overall. He then said it may have been because since he had already went through Buds and Green Team audition it made it easier for him to complete Delta Selection. Delta are absolute the best of the best...So are Seal team 6... This guy is rightfully proud of being in Delta... But he seems to minimize what Team 6 does. Besides..it was Seal Team 6 that was tasked to create Red Cell. He talks about Seals being glory hounds but this guy's whole video was him being a glory hound.... Again.... I know Delta Re the best of the best but so are DevGru.... Delta helped capture Saddam Hussein and they helped kill the ISIS leader ( their raid led to him blowing himself up ). DevGru got BIN Laden...Like it or not( as he says ) Bin Laden is the biggest trophy on the mantle....
Best comment on the thread. But due to ppl being toxic and rather holding to thinking their right rather than gaining knowledge; this comment won't receive many likes.
That's your opinion. I may be biased like YOU... I'm a former U.S.Army Paratrooper and to me, DELTA FORCE are the Best in the world 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Hmm that’s interesting my dad was a detective sergeant and he said just do the best you can this drove me absolutely crazy because It pushed me to go further in things even if I didn’t want to. He was an expert at pushing buttons
Wtf is a detective sergeant
@@codyduncan5414 he’s kinda like the detective that makes sure the other detectives are do there jobs right. Take the movies and TV and throw it away most of that stuff is making sure procedures are followed properly so naturally all of us in the family have pretty bad OCD. I was confused by this to but apparently there’s a difference between a street sergeant and the sergeant of the detectives. Crime is separated and delegated into units like narcotics homicide organized crime pawn fraud and the one no one wants to do special victims unit. I think a sergeant will run a unit like this. My dad was still in Fraud and apparently good because me and my cousin had a security detail in school do to family death threats. There were times I was not allowed in the front yard. Most people don’t stay in that world for to long if you want a successful family life.
@@nathanammon4021 oh a cop. Lmao. Not military. Huge difference.
@@codyduncan5414 yep I will say this some of the law enforcement units in South America and South Africa are some very brave people. It’s not uncommon for cartels and law enforcement to get into shoot outs with full automatic weapons. Actually this guy’s probably worked with some of them down there. I think delta force help get Pablo Escobar. I wish they’d send him down there again. These cartels are the personification of evil.
@@nathanammon4021 they work hand in hand with the U.S. govt. Evil united
I love the confidence and shit talking. I wish the sent guys like this to recruit at my high school. They need to remake the old delta force movie.
Yes!
This guy has so much game its insane
game in what, talking?
You shouldn’t compare tier 1 units at the end of the day they all passed the most rigorous and grueling selection process.
I wouldn't agree with that. Delta is hands down harder selection process because it's hard and grueling mentally and physically because everyone who is invited can try out whether it's 82nd, 75th or SF and everyone comes from different back grounds and have to test them all. Devgru already knows everyone are SEALs and they won't quit so there is no need to be as physically intense as Deltas.
@@MM-qt8gz most of the time you can’t even try out for Delta Force unless you’re either prior ranger or green beret
Good comment. And even then it comes down to the individual.
@@mooselineoutdoors that's not true. Anyone can try out for it but they prefer SOF and someone who is seasoned and experienced.
@@KC-UT4rmAZ oh yeah 100%
Good point.
Awesome..
My youngest brother was SFOD and he disliked tear 2 Seals but had respect for Devgru guys. We come from a military family and our father was training us in hand to hand, knife 🔪 fighting, shooting, and survival. I joke around and say we were like the brothers off the movie The Accountant. I went out of country 🇮🇱🇲🇽 and he went 🇺🇲.
We all know the army runs the show.
Seals simulate almost drowning undoing knots. Then you go to the edge of hypothermia sitting in the cold Pacific water. Dealing with the water is a huge challenge for most. Respect to all elite teams.
The originals (SAS) are the best that everyone moulded their training on.
Although I am not a SEAL, I am pretty confident that a candidate in BUD/S cannot hide as you stated. Going through the selection process in Green Team to go to DEVGRU it is even harder to hide. The TEAMS are exactly that, so they train to be team members. As I understand the training, it is designed to weed out quitters and the attrition rate is very high. Would love to see you and a former DEBGRU SEAL on a podcast together.
You can only hide in BUD/s for a short time, the classes shrink fast in the first few weeks. Boat duckers are weeded out fast. Attended swcc training while lots of my buddys where attempting bud/s so I’ve seen it first hand.
@@surfbum1151 Had go correct my comment above. Should have read it before posting. Glad I saw your comment to prompt me to check mine.
Happens to us all. Definitely agree 100 percent with you. I lost contact with my buddy from boot camp so I don’t know if he made it but his class started some where around or close to 300 I believe and by the end of hell week it wasn’t more then 35 left
You can. When I went to buds I was a nobody to the instructors until I dropped before hell week. then only some of them knew who I was
That’s not what he means. What he’s saying, is there is no team in selection. Your going through this all alone. No motivator, your not told how you doing, your just told the next objective. No one talks to you.
Just because you made it through selection, doesn’t mean you get selected. 2/3 of the guys going through selection are SF and Rangers. Only 10% ( maybe) get selected.
I wasn’t selected.
BOTH ARE TIER 1 OPERATORS, ALL ARE OUTSTANDING PEOPLE.... TO SAY ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER IS UNNECESSARY... GOD BLESS ALL THAT SERVE
I don’t know very much about any of SF world . But l respect every dam one of them no matter the branch of military they are all strong men with strong minds and heart l wish l new how they obtained this ability. Thank you all American number one now and forever 🇺🇸✝️
religious vomit
Exactly the same as 22SAS selection!Robin Horsfall stated it well when he said"they did the equivalent of six marathons over seven days,,over the Mountains carrying a house on your back"lol "In the middle of a Welsh winter!
I'm ex Navy. This dude's on the money with everything. Individual trials will show you who you really are. You find yourself by yourself.
this is not an individual unit. This is a team unit. That's why Devgru only takes the top Seals in the teams to even tryout for tier 1. You have to be years in deployment first and you are judge by your peers how good of a team player you are and if you can lead. The best training to find the best candidates after you become a Seal is deployments, real life operations.
@@deathfire096 check out John Shrek McPhee, delta can pull off solo missions too.
@@axiosschmidt6001 Tier 1 in both branches don’t share their full operations to the public.
Dale and I were on the same team. Awesome operator, love this guy. Great video Dale.
yeah i bet
All the Seal fans are mad but what he's saying is true. Just having someone with you and struggling with you adds a bit of comfort even if it's in the slightest. Being alone in the woods at night is creepier than having someone with you even if they are weaker and un helpful, they are at least someone to talk with or watch your 6.
Devgru's selection is also hard, you just havent heard about it.
Of course it's hard. Their all bad asses for sure...we're here picking pepper out of flyshit. Lol
But he’s comparing Delta selection to BUD/s not green team (Devgru selection) and they’re two completely different things. Green team is the same type of model as Delta.
@@sammartin4476 maybe you should explain that to him because he probably has no idea what he's talking about.... I mean.. really.... what does he know about any of it. 😆 he probably doesn't even realize green team is different than regular Buds tryouts 🙄
@@miguelromandv7 Iv herd Dam Neck Green Team has been described more as a "draft" rather than a true to form selection process. Like if a SEAL tries out for DevGru and he has some buddies that are already in Squadron, they can just pick their buddy to pass the screening and hes in, regardless how he preformed in the Green Team try out. Its like a Bro fraternity club at DamNeck, where as Delta Force selection goes through the long walk, stress phase, a physc Board, "and then" OTC to find the right guy that fits their organization best.
I have never served in either so I have no way to make the comparison, however DEVGRU operators who have done interviews about Green Team have said it is also very much a individual selection process.
Delta selection compared too Ranger school,Special Forces selection .Delta selection was the most mentally ,physically has the hardest selection course you will ever go through 10× harder than any selection and school except CDQC made me close because you actually drown than are resuscitated .Compare that too Delta selection with out actually drowning my best comparisom
Dale Comstock: Master Sergeant Kevin Holland, has been both Navy SEAL Team Six and Army Delta Force..... The Right Guy!!
If I’m not mistaken, Devgru’s green team selection is based on the individual’s performance not the teams performance. So I think this guy is mistaken.
THANK YOU. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT. RIGHT ON MAN 🤘👊🇺🇸
yep he’s comparing BUDS (normal SEALS) with Delta selection which is special mission unit
I respect his service but this dude is talking out his ass. I personally think Delta is #1 of the tip, but Devgru and HRT can still bang with the top dogs. At the end of the day we’re on the same side 🇺🇸
You are assessed as individual but there a lot of Team activities. Stumpf has talked about the group runs at Green Team.
Whilst Unit Selection is entirely solitary. Youre rucking on your own.
@@vitigaymer1053 There is team activities in green team but even with those there is a one to one ratio instructor to student that watches each student however doesn’t reach the personal standards within the groups get dropped. So it’s actually all individual based.
I supported delta, 7th sog, SOAR and the PJs in KAF. Met the delta guys one time. Every other time they were resting. The 2 i met were the nicest guys in the world. Gave me a 3ft by 3ft box filled with brand new Walmart bed sheets. They were purple but i was happy as shit and so were the joes in my unit. 2 others supported and they got boxes too. We were the shit for 2 weeks lol. Thanks
It sounds like what being described with the difference between the group vs individual qualifications, use that the stress, be that physical or mental, is spread out and dispersed among the group, as opposed to having it all land soley on the individual. Kind of akin to building a structure so that the weight is dispersed across a larger area so it can be supported, where it wasn't it would collapse.
There's a reason MARSOC modeled after the Green Berets, not NSW. :)
MARSOC was formed because Sec. Of Defense Rumsfield ordered the USMC to form that unit that can conduct FID. Marine command was anti special operations lol
@@shootingbricks8554 nah fam. DET 1 was excited to have that SOCCOM money.
On the "quiet professional" aspect, I think it matters the context in which they speak out, someone like Jocko Willink provides tons of value and doesn't break opsec. Another great resource for me has been Mike Glover, special forces and delta force, but he doesn't really dive into great detail, just passes on the lessons learned to the younger generation.
Mike was never delta force...
@@mikolajnurkiewicz6015 yes he was, there's pictures of him with his 1st SFOD-D patch on. Also talked about it in his Jocko and Shawn Ryan podcast appearances.
As well as Apr 11th Instagram post shows his dress uniform with cag patch
@@steveg1854 like I said. he was not delta force. He was Special Forces CIF team which were augmented with Delta Force for a short period.. Just saying dude. still a cool dude regardless but he never once says that he was actually in Delta Force.. and if he has a patch than it most likely is because he was deployed with them at some point but never did he try out for delta and/or make it on the team.
@@mikolajnurkiewicz6015 Glover has talked about his time at CAG on several podcasts. (Ritland, Stumpf, and Shawn Ryan).
Said he was only there for a few years, but spent the majority of his service with GB and CIF and that’s why he doesn’t refer to himself as a Unit guy.
So yes, he was in Delta and formed his own cif after disagreements with cag leadership style.
@@mikolajnurkiewicz6015 he talks about being in CAG on the Shaw Ryan show. Said he didn't get along with some of the guys there. He also said they were the best shooters he had ever worked with
Pretty cool interview. I do have a question for Mr. Comstock, life after serving in the unit - do the members get special, lifetime care from the VA that is not offered to the average military service member?
As a MD rotating through VA sometimes, I can tell you there is no difference. Of course certain injuries tell me what certain patients may or may not have done or have had done to them. Nothing needs to be said. These guys do what they do and are treated like everyone else for better or worse. Of course when I discuss their injuries some scant details emerge but I don’t press. Privacy is paramount.
I agree. Though, the comparison between
1st SFOD-D operator course and BUD/S isn't exactly apples to apples. I'd like to hear him say what he knows about DEVGRU selection.
His testimony is 100 percent spot on. I was Army and spent time in 82d and 101st. I did drill sergeant duty and army recruiting, Yes I am pathfinder airborne jumpmaster and air assualt qualified and spent time deployed and now I am retired and concentrate on my music and music channel on youtube. People that rave on Seals because of the movies and media. the most elite units are in the US Army hands down, Think about it. The US Army has always been a ground force fighting organization, Sure Seals train in the water but the enemy is not in the water they are on land planting IEDs or crap like that. Not only are our basic airborne infantry units capable but look at our SOF units like 75th Ranger and Special Forces units as well as tier one operators DELTA. the gear and capability of what we can do in the US Army is bar none.
Other than special boat crews and Seals, thats it Navy has no other elite fighting elements, At least if a person trys to go SF or get into a ranger unit and they don't make it. they can still be in the 101st Airborne or 82D or 10th Mountain division and will be able to do some high speed training such as being on Long range detachment. Halo or airborne training , combat diving, striker birgades, force or presence patrols, setting up enemy ambush sites, Close quarter combat, using a mulititude of weapons from the M4 carbine, 249 SAW, M2 50 Cal machine gun, 240B machine gun. kick in doors being on a stack team or get a chance to go to sniper school or and so much more.
If a person do not make navy seals which 80 percent do not. its on a ship with no other high speed training. if you not sure what airborne infantry does in the 101st or 82d, just do a search on youtube. I think you will be surprised as to why would a person try to go navy in the first place. Way more opportunities in the US Army with more schools, awards, and faster promotions.
When did you enlist and when did you separate?
@@MountainMan7.62x39 I joined the army in April 1989 and retired 1 April 2013.
@@marksmusicplace3627 Thank you for our service. I'd buy you a beer if I could.
@@MountainMan7.62x39 thanks for offering but something a little better would be to donate to wounded warriors program.
Aren't seals dealing in land warfare mostly since 9/11?
Read “Delta Force” by Eric Haney. Everyone chosen for Delta is already an accomplished combat vet with multiple tours, often pulled from Rangers, Big Army Infantry, and Green Berets. It’s not a comparison. Delta is the zenith of man overcoming himself.
Just read the book. You’ll see.
Thank you sir I read this book on my first deployment in falujah and I agree great book great information. 👍
and Seal Team 6 is chosen by the 1% of the Seals. It's hard enough to be a Seal but only 1% of the teams makes it ti Seal Team 6. Your point?
good answer
My uncle works at Nintendo. Nothing beats that.
so it starts with "we don't look for credit" and goes to "I want our unit to get the credit they deserve"
I think he means they don’t look for individual credit, but he wants the unit as a whole to be more recognised
Delta Farce starring Larry the Cable Guy
I think we need more Podcasts
Actually the first use of the term "operator" was in the 1960s by Army Special Forces, or Green Berets. It's even on some official documents.
I’d like to see a comparison to different units from around the world like our seals and naval commandos from other countries. I’ve looked at spec ops and think the level of training reflects more on their cultures and economic will to make sure they operate to what they consider efficient. For instance it seems to me like there is less overlap in spec op units of other NATO countries in some cases they differentiate between roles like one group may only train for underwater demolition type operations while their counterparts only train for water based raids. I remember that show deadliest warrior they compared seals to Israeli commandos and it was almost to close to call. I remember thinking wouldn’t it have been being to compare Israeli version of seals. I had a boss recently in the 75th ranger regiment the guy finished his manager test like 9 weeks before everyone else he was may favorite person. He said the US is not the toughest on the block by any means. He told me a story where they took fire everyone returned fire except for the South Africans. They told him they would wait till night and chop them up with machetes and he was like well ok then.For now not knowing if your going to have equipments is not something our guys have to really worry about. It’s our job to make sure they get equipped though.
Norwegian Frogmen and LRRPs are excellent, in a league of their own due to terrain and weather they deal with. British SBS are in that same class, but they do selection with kayaks strapped to the top of their monster rucks. SBS recruits out of Royal Marines, which is an elite unit with an 8 month pipeline in and of itself.
Danes, Netherlands, Belgians, Italians, Austrians, Germans, and pretty much any of the NATO SOF and Recce units have much more difficult training pipelines, with more light infantry background and experience feeding into them. Their NCOs and officers have been doing the job their whole careers in most cases, having worked up the ranks and attended numerous schools relevant to the job.
US Marine Force Recon and basic Recon INDOC is harder than BUD/S. Indoc involves a lot of land and water work with your large ruck, unlike BUD/S. Those guys are all coming from 0311, 0331 series mostly, so they already have an infantry background of embracing the suck from which to build on.
SAS gets most of their guys from Para Regiment, which is another elite unit with a brutal pipeline, similar to Royal Marines. They’re starting out with a trained commando already who has spent 4-8 years doing his best in Para Regiment before going to Selection.
Royal Marines, Para Regiment, and US Army Ranger Regiment have very similar unit cultures and extremely high physical standards. Ranger Regiment has an organic culture of violence and continual training and deployments that is very difficult to keep up with even for a man in great physical shape. Combat deployments are vacations for them mostly.
All of these units kind of chuckle about SEALs, though they try to maintain good relationships with them since they are often combined in CJSOTFs on deployment.
@@LRRPFco52 yah from what I gather seals aren’t the greatest and bestest thing not that they’re not good I just don’t see them being better than other strong military units. Every video I see is how they are the toughest people to walk the earth. They are great at self promotion to guess. I’ve read up on other selections and it seems like it’s the norm to have a week of non stop training with no sleep other units don’t advertise it though. They released data for the attrition rates of all these units and they are all about the same about 75 % on average. I’m actually really impressed with the British I had know idea how hard Royal Marines is very proud of those guys.
@@LRRPFco52 yah marine recon looked tough and they’re coming out of tough marine infantry units very impressive then that’s turned into MARSOC very well rounded spec op. They can do all kinds of things very versatile. They don’t gloat or brag on themselves so much respect
@@nathanammon4021 SEALs are a recruiting tool for the Navy to get young men to sign up for an enlistment, then get them onto ships where they actually need them. The Navy doesn’t need Frogmen running around playing Army or Marines, because they already have Marines, including Force Recon and Battalion Recon. There are some exceptions with SDV Teams, which are real assets of National importance and unique capabilities underwater that are never discussed.
@@nathanammon4021 I talked with one of the senior USMC NCOs who was part of the stand-up for Det 1 back in 2003-2004, which became MARSOC later on. He said SOCOM had them training under SEALs, who they were already more capable than. The Force Recon guys were in better shape, had better weapons skills, better mission planners, better thinkers, excellent at comms, basically like a USMC LRSC/DA unit.
They wanted to train with The Unit, not SEALs, and eventually got their wish, basically mimicking much of what’s in Unit OTC for the MARSOC Critical Skills Operator Course.
Uhh, come on Dale. I fully expect you to be biased toward Delta, but you haven't mentioned DEVGRU specifically. Upon selection to go to DEVGRU, candidates are performing as INDIVIDUALS, just like Delta. Uncle Sam doesn't hand out Tier1 designation for anything less than, and DEVGRU is clearly and obviously Tier1. All of these comparison conversations about DEVGRU and Delta are stupid and pointless, as they truly are equally capable. This is why down range they frequently interchange operators when needed bc of fallen operators or mission needs etc. They hit targets together all the time, and you can absolutely bet your ass that wouldn't happen if ANYONE wasn't up to equal par. Neither group would allow even a single person to assault a target and get in the stack among their members if that person wasn't every bit equally capable, or at minimum of Tier1 standard. That in itself proves this entire discussion. So, each organization has their own culture etc, but are definitely each just as capable. Some of what Dale is saying here is definitely a bit skewed, and there have been other former unit operators that have acknowledged other facts between the two groups, and it is different from his account. Anyway, just glad that both units work under the same flag.🤘👊🇺🇸
I agree, Tier 1 is Tier 1 there is no such thing as better than the other, they're the best of the best just from different branches
DEVGRU has culture of warcrimes that comes from deficencies in their Selection process IMO.
Delta beat the seals at their own game swimming
@@stevenvaldez4057 yeah, I bet that has happened before, doesn't mean anything. The SEALS don't have a super fuck up like Eagle Claw either......
@@stevenvaldez4057 have you witnessed that first hand?
SAS were the blueprint for Delta. Up the Brits 🇬🇧
He's talking about standard SEALs, not DEVGRU. Big difference, between the 2. There's an entire Assessment and Selection for DEVGRU. I've never heard of CAG doing maritime operations anywhere.
How often do DEVGRU fight on the land as opposed to doing maratime ops ? Water is a method of insertion and sabotage.
As a civilian. I was sucked in by the SEAL branding which has been very intentional. It's not an accident that everyone knows about them. But the difference between Delta and SEALs is huge. First off, Delta is born of the Army, the leading 'think tank' on combat tactics on earth. Man on man killing as a science in the U.S. Army. A soldier who makes it into Delta has gone through combat infantry training, airborne school, ranger school and THEN they go into selection for Spec Forces the 'Green Berets'. Fyi, those guys are legendary warfighters in their own right. But most Delta Operators have come up from this educational and development experience before Delta. There are exceptions of course. Think about all the basic assaulting and ambushes and weapons proficiency and land nav and tactics that such a soldier from the Army has when he walks through the door into The Unit.
I think Dale is being mild about it. My understanding is that by the time Iraq rolled around it became painfully obvious that the SEALs were highly deficient in CQ tactics compared to Delta. Example: Delta could penetrate a building from the roof and ground and clear it without shooting each other. SEALs did not have that capability. The basic weapons handling and markmanship were way off. From what I read Delta basically cross-trained SEALs in the JSOC structure over there. I was told it worked out well actually cuz all were good soldiers and new tactics were taken on readily. The meritocracy of combat seemed to rationalize it. So good on the SEALs for taking the development work on.
Put it this way. if i'm ever to be kidnapped, while in the real world nobody would give a crap enough to send a specforce team to get me, I'd pray they sent The Unit. If you are observant and curious and go to the right places you can get a glimpse of what Delta is. I think they have several groups within Delta and then I surmise (was never told it) that there is a black ops team beyond that - truly black - that would all draw from Delta.
I'll close withh an awful observation. The exposes on SEAL conduct on the battlefield in Afghanistan and Iraq were astonishing. One platoon apparently not only carried hatchets symbolically but actually used them regularly on the enemy. It was beyond brutal - I expect brutality from our warriors. I don't want them in a fair fight. But what was exposed was barbaric. The collecting of scalps was not unheard of, and there was a retributive energy in much of the action, they would punish, not just fight. I don't know if Delta became as savage as that, I truly don't know and haven't seen a peep of that sort of thing. But I'm not as much of a fanboy as I might seem, I understand that Delta can misbehave quite badly in the real world. I just have never heard of them taking scalps.
If you know better and you were there, please correct any of the above I may have gotten wrong. As a civilian it's hard to know what's true about what various operators and others ay and write. Last thought. As a citizen, I don't want to pay for both. I'm happy to pay Delta a boat load of cash for what it does, but why do I need another inferior spec ops capability?