What a CIA Operator Thought of The 13 Hours Movie and What Led To The Benghazi Attacks
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2023
- Have you watched the movie 13 Hours, starring John Krasinski, James Badge Dale, Pablo Schreiber, Max Martini, and Tony Stephens? It is based on the 2012 Benghazi attacks, assaults on a U.S. diplomatic compound and a nearby CIA annex in the city of Benghazi, Libya, on September 11-12, 2012, which resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya - the first violent death of a U.S. ambassador since 1988. The incident sparked controversy and ignited a political firestorm in the United States. Bob "Ninja" Poras describes in detail how the GRS operators did the best they could with the hand they were dealt.
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Kris Paranto has said in multiple speeches that the militia that they thought ran away after the incoming mortars actually went and found the mortar crew and took them out. He has also said that points in the fight he had random libians in office attire taking a knee next to him engaging the attackers. It was Gidaffe's troops who ultimately came to their rescue also stated by kris.
The situation with the militia groups in Benghazi sound just like medieval to classical period armies just turning on each other and switching sides for the highest bidder and profit.
Something that modern western armies, especially US, are not familiar with.
Add in the language barrier, and there's no wonder that they had so much trouble.
That’s incredible and they even show in the movie people in office attire
Yea this guy here is CIA so you can be sure you won't be getting any usable information out of him. You are better of interviewing a wall.
Gaddafi had been dead almost a year tho
@lptrw5769 his tribe is still very much active in libya even now.
I’ll take the side of the men that fought that day instead of a CIA or democrat take. I’ve listened to interviews of Oz, Tonto and Boone. I believe their side
Exactly. To hell with this guy.
In all honesty, after reading the books and watching the movie, the movie itself is one of my absolute favorites of all time because the key thing I took from it, and the reason I watch it over and over again, is because it is a great story about how a small group of like-minded people can work together in extreme circumstances and do extraordinary things. So many obstacles were stacked against these guys, yet they overcame all of them together. It is terrible the loss of the ambassador Chris Stevens, the IT man Sean Smith, contract operators Glen Doherty, and Tyrone "Rone" Woods, and the other casualties. But they worked together, took care of each other, and fulfilled their purpose to serve and protect.
My wife watches this movie almost every night before bed lol I know it words for word practically lol
What makes it even better is it was a lot of those guys first time working together. All from different special warfare groups
Ambassador Stevens had dirt on Hillary Clinton. 🤷♂️
Hell Yes!
The dialogue is really legit, the only thing I don’t like is the opening scene, the cross pistol draws wtf?
It would be very interesting to interview the actual contractors that survived that firefight. They've already done a lot of interviews before, but I think this channel is the proper platform for them.
Yes. Time to bring in Kris "Tanto" Paronto
And tanto did a interview too. With his bushmaster carbine.
Guy I served with was one of them. Very humble and amazing guy
@@johnmarsh6337 You must not have read his comment properly, he knows they all have done plenty of interviews but he said The SRS is the perfect platform to interview them on because of how people just feel so comfortable and go deep into detail especially because of the amount of time they have to speak about events on this channel.
Agreed.
The movie was exposing the US government UNWILLINGNESS to send help! That is what I got form the movie and in REALITY at the time!
Thank you to all who have served and died for this country. ✌🏼🇺🇸
And thank you to all who served and are yet to die . Hopefully of a peace filled old age . !
Died for JEWS. these are all Zionist wars.
Either the state department lied or the operators lied. This isn’t that difficult
True. I'll take the operators word over the SD any day.
Shawn, Thank you for the excellent interview. This may be one of my favorites.
sean smith who died in the benghazi attack was good friend of mine who i met through a video game called eve online he was a top guy and real salt of the earth person i hope he is resting well .
May your friend have many Good Years in Heaven Rip. Bob13
R.I.P vile rat!!!
he was a good dude.
I knew Glenn Dougherty... He was a good man. RIP
He was in in Baghdad, not in Benghazi consequently he says what he knows.
He explains very well what the dynamics are in middle east.
I personally think he is touching on a larger issue with US forgein policy, especially when it comes to committing military forces in a country or region, and that is that we fail, as americans, to acquire a deeper understanding of the history, ethnic tensions, culture etc. We often make the assumption that everyone wants to be like us, have what we have, value what we value, and that is simply not the case.
It’s exactly the same. You would not kill your own brother because your neighbor picks a quarrel with him. It doesn’t matter who’s wrong. We think they are lesser people, so they will act vastly different than we would. But it turns out that we’re wrong. Always wrong about this.
Gaddafi tried taking oil off the petrodollar and backing his oil with gold. After that he given "democracy" by the US gov.
@ROOSTER333 certain things you cant do
US Special Forces (Green Berets) who are front line implementers of US foreign policy know there theaters of operation better than the locals do. Plus Libya wasn’t the target of directed US foreign policy. The US monitored the Arab Spring, they didn’t cause it.
@Tyrone Wiggums that arrogance is why we lose, nobody is gonna know an area better than the locals. You just sound dumb saying shit like that
I think "Tanto" would be an AMAZING next guess to put some clarity on Benghazi from his side of it
It's still amazing how that witch in the room has still not been made to account for her involvment, or lack there of.
Wanna a get political ? You talkin about Hilary ? Wanna know what really happened ? Obama's administration tried to increase the security in Libya . Nazi RepubliKlans voted against it believing the lie everyone loves America . Don't talk unless you use facts , stupid Nazi .
2:24 "uhh. probably not. not a good thing."
in official document "senior CIA official" denied _immediate fast entry,_ from a near CIA compound, that had special forces inside.
Dang he said absolutely nothing for half of this video lol
He really didn’t want to answer that question at all. I have never heard someone dance around a question so much.
The movie I will continue to watch on a regular basis. By far one of the greats
I’ve got Rones tactical gear and helmet from the rooftop final battle scene. They also threw in that messenger bag he was carrying right before they ran into the burning embassy. Kind of a move gaffe, one second he’s got it on then as he runs inside it’s gone.
Got it from The Prop Store LA/LONDON. So weird to have an item from a film you are watching and see it right next to you on a shelf !!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@russheins6458how much?
Great vid. Thank you
This sounds very politician like to me. A whole lot of words that mean nothing and didn't answer the question that was asked. The point of the movie isn't to deny that those men did amazing things and no body was complaining. The point is that they shouldn't have been left alone. They should have had U.S. support. They shouldn't have had to beg the locals for help which they knew they weren't going to get. You sir are the type of men that are destroying this country.
Probably would have been good to have Tanto or Boon on this episode to ensure accuracy in reporting and their insights
Said a lot without saying much, but with many more words.
Couldn't imagine the feeling of those guys.. Waiting for some help and nobody is coming.. Just going out in a blaze of glory
Love that you don’t waste our time on a 2 min intro.
I get it from the Libyan side. I don't get it from the CIA officer and government side. Get your people out when you know the shit is hitting the fan
like the John Singer Seargent print on your wall and your show as well!
I can honestly say listening to the GRS guys tell the story made me feel exactly the same as when I watched Afghanistan fall. It is absolutely gut wrenching sorrow for what our piece of shit government chooses to do. Americans gave their lives in both instances and we were betraying people who we gave our word to, as a nation. I will never forgive them for what they have done.
We Canadians did the same, and I hear you - hard to forgive such a blatant betrayal.
How could we tell these interpreters & other directly hired Afghans that in exchange for their services, they will be flown out of danger to Canada...and 10+ years later, they didn't make it out during a last minute evacuation?
They shouldn't have still been there in the first place... f**king pathetic on our part 😔😡
Any self-respecting American would not work for our government in any capacity. They only serve themselves, and they hate America.
@@chrisburke624 Watch The Covenant by Guy Ritchie. Its about a soldier saved by his terp and him trying to get him and his family a visa. Amazing movie
Thanks
Everyone pissed about his response needs to learn what to listen for. He said far more than you understand, but also clearly stated he can't go into detail.
Sure ! I just fell off the turnip truck.
Baa Baa
@@davemalone4421 or been around and learned nothing, more likely.
@@blackbeard0323 You like him ? good !
watch it and try not to fall asleep.
@@davemalone4421 lmfao!
@BlackBeard03 If I told you the truth you might not find it funny..
It’s amazing how close you can be to a situation and how deaf you can be to the purpose of the documentary of those events.
The essence of that dynamic between an outsider organization [ U.S. State Dept./ CIA/ other western org. ] and local militias has been experienced and understood for decades. Bottom line, as I see it, is that American lives are expendable if you're sitting at a comfortable desk a few thousand or more miles away and you have another interest to placate. Just ask the Russian troops that got run out of Afghanistan.
The death of Sean Smith(Vile Rat) was an Eve online player. He as a great guy and we all mourned his loss. His alliance was never the same.
Of course his alliance never the same. He died
Talk about a humble dude. Damn
I would love to see the guys from the Benghazi attacks on here
U know he gave alot of detail without giving it that thousand yard stare says alot about a man yall rock 100 Charlie mike
The wars that are designed to be endless - for the benefit of the few. Namaste x
The Enemy of my enemy is Not always my friend.
His warning of not falling in love with who we train reminded me of the new trooper indoc scene in Hamburger Hill where the 1st Platoon Sargeant introduces "Sir Nathaniel Victor" and how after his training is done, he's sure to be back hunting young troopers in the A'shaw.
Fuckin wild. Never thought I'd see the day where I sang along with "1, 2, 3, what are we fightin for?"
I was at the Villa 2010-2011 but went else where before it shut down.
I would love to see Tom & Scot Spooner on the show 👍🏼
The way they make the cia look like smug condescending pricks is pretty unbelievable. It does fit right into certain narratives though.
I'm curious how loyal the interpreter was as portrayed in the movie
This makes me think of the Civil War. Suddenly your supposed to fight your neighbors? They call people savages in other parts of the world because they fight over religion yet they’re civil enough because they know the ramifications. This guy made some powerful statements.
He basically gave a movie summary
Interesting that He never specifically mentions the Secretary of State at the time but does allude to the chain of command all the way to D.C.. I heard there is a tie in to what happened at Benghazi and the way the Seal team that took out Osama Bin Ladin bought it.
While not in the same capacity as the characters in the movie, I worked as a security and advisor contractor in Afghanistan for five years. I honestly didn't think much about the movie. Watched about half of it and lost interest.
I came to the same conclusion in looking at the conflicts we've been involved in the Middle East. America is always going to be stuck behind the 8-ball in this region because we seem to never understand that no matter what good we try to do in regions of conflict, we're always the outsider. We've seen it time and time again. I don't know how you can even call the Benghazi effort a 'diplomatic mission' when there were no established power structures in that country at all after Khaddafi fell from power. I know that's part of the gamble to help one faction gain power in expectation of a return on some investment but when it goes bad, it goes very bad.
Hey Shawn did you ask fox if you could use that outro?
great Sir, Help in order but the package isnt good for locals to know how to use?
I was into Eve Online and one of those that died was a big figure in one of the biggest corporations in the game and the news spread throughout the game after. Pretty surreal because it made it feel more closer than something you hear on the news.
The tech guy? Goon/CFC
Brilliant interview 😎
You also saw it in the film where the police wouldn’t answer the phone
it makes perfect sense. the US will leave and either them or their kids will deal with the aftermath
In afghan we always trained with the expectation of the locals running away, the client was aware and we even joked with the locals that they would run to which they always laughed with a spattering of acknowledgment.
It's hard, for hard men, to live a Life of a double edged sword. A bitter sweet well of a career.
We seem to never think out of the box. We have failed to get "friends" to fight for us in their own country.
Just watched 13 hours too.
Choosing words carefully
Anybody know the brand of the wrist band ninja is wearing?
You use local people to protect you for their capability to provide you with information and help you avoid known threats.The only way they get in to a decisive firefight if they are doing it against their archenemies or they are not given no choice by dislocating them and landing them in the middle of the enemy.
He basically saying they can't shit the place they sleep or someone will take a dump on them
It seems to me that would be part of their Militia 101 class. You can buy people but you can't buy their loyalty.
Geopolitical realities and tribal affiliations that one would think the CIA would have known / studied before inserting themselves in a very volatile part of the world.
Exactly. This guy was former CIA and he REALLY believed the Natives would side with them in a fight??? Reallly????? The ONLY reason the locals were being nice to them is because they were getting paid American dollars. My god, it's like these guys have learned nothing from decades of failures.
supposedly CIA officers should have a graduate level education, but all they do in the field is throw cash at every problem they face, not as sophisticated as Hollywood likes to make it out to be
I think the real question is what did Steven’s know. The rest is “collateral damage”
Wait. Do you wear and egger suit?
What do you mean, ninja? I watched the movie, and it painted grs in a great light and doing great things in that movie to me.
He knows a lot more of behind the scenes than he is saying. My thought has always been how does the farmer in Iowa benifit from a embassy Benghazi.
Straight up, he doesn't.
Its hard to see the benefit in connecting those dots, because you're right - those dots don't really connect.
In other countries it can make sense tho. A trade agreement with country X may allow that farmer to ship more of his product & hence expand his business. Or he might be able to get what he needs for his product cheaper.
In Benghazi, the embassy might not benefit the farmer in Iowa directly. But it could benefit the US as a whole with oil exports or imports, or gaining mining contracts for rare metals, or making sure terrorism doesn't take too much of a root there.
But I agree with you. There aren't many Americans living there, so embassy services are pretty much wasted because they serve no one, and the rest could be done via visits & phone calls... 🤷♂️
Well, supposedly, one of the theories, is that it had to do with Gadaffi changing over to a gold-backed currency which would've eroded the security of the U.S. petro dollar which if that happens, will make our currency even more worthless thus affecting every U.S. citizen's pockets.
@@markdavidson1049 ummm it has been happening for years now
@@markdavidson1049 so because you built your entire monetary and financial system on debt and fiat currency that gives you the right to destroy other nations because they want to build and develop based on their own wealth and resources ? You honestly think you are the good guys in this story ?
@@Rake3577holy sht that’s true tho
When command becomes politicized it becomes blind, lax and naive.
Shawn it's time ro bring in Kris "Tanto" Paronto and maybe just maybe the real "Jack Silva"
IF YOU ARE NOT OF THEM, THEY ARE NOT OU YOU!!
Don't ignore combat indicators act upon them....
With all due respect Americans are not the only ones that have "fighting spirit", pretty easy to point to history for that. The problem is it's easy for us to say "why are they not fighting?" when we don't have to live there after the dust settles. It's like people who act like they wouldn't be slaves. As if the problem was just the lack of "fighting spirit". I'm sure some of the militia knew if they fought (win or lose) their families likely would be killed, home destroyed, etc. Yes, the problem was the gamble on these type of people, knowing the position they are likely to be in if something goes down.
Exactly
I never understood why the the mortors weren’t used at the beginning to attack the embassy. It seems like the bad guys got it backwards
Real talk, you can't really expect people fight there neighbors on there own streets for a foreigner, you honestly have to respect that. Foreigners will leave and they will stay. The malita did help them in a way, they didn't turn there guns on the foreigners.
Finally , a man speaking the whole truth , as much as he can . Listen closely . We piss away Billions of dollars because of ignorance and arrogance . Or Just pure greed .
Putin ain't no rag tag desert militia
@@samgibson684 Correct, he FUNDED those rag tags at arm's length for the last 40 years, and watched
I think the best thing about the story is how none of them really liked each other yet they set it all aside because Americans were in trouble
What difference does it make?
Reminds me a lot of Iraq... Shia, Sunni, and Kurds. Shia and Sunni hate each other but both hate Kurds. We had to live among that tension when deployed in Iraq.
Felt bad for the Kurds though; gassed by Saddam in the 80's, overlooked by us during the war in Iraq, abandoned by trump so he could continue his favortism to Turkey/Russia--leaving Kurds to get attacked/bombed without our support.
I went up to the Kurdish area of Iraq for 4-day pass in my year deployed to Tikrit nearly 20 years ago now. The resort was one of Saddam's old ones in Northern Iraq. It was then run by Kurds and used mostly for 4-day passes for military deployed in Iraq. In the resort though, the Kurds had a big map of that area of Iraq but their area clearly bordered and labeled as Kurdistan. They're still waiting for their own country after all these years. It's sad af.
The choice to rely on local security was Chris Stevens the president and the secretary of state advised Chris Stevens that a security detail would not be ready to go for 2 more weeks, Chris Stevens insisted that his network with locals could provide adequate security despite the fact that things were heating up in Bengazi.
Where did you find this information? Everything I have seen since it happened was about Stevens requesting additional security and alerting the Obama administration to the growing threat in the area. I'm pretty sure the movie also showed Stevens informing his superiors about his security concerns.
Very telling. Change policy accordingly
I actually never really thought about how they relied on the locals like that and it makes sense now why the guy was calling the other leader in front of the GRS team
We haven't been "guests". We've been invaders. Period. But these types of dudes will never say that.
If the Democrats and the Republicans went to war tomorrow, and Britain decided to back one side, are they invaders or allies? It depends on who wins.
Great stories! I’ll say it again, Shawn has the best guest on yt
The whole two part interview was hard to listen to and follow. Maybe I’m dumb but I felt that he used a lot of words to say very little.
Wow the train to next stop is in 20mins and the ticket counter is right around the corner. Whats your destination?
Exactly what happened in Tora Bora.
Y'know, just closing down the villa ☹️
such a beautiful movie
My buddy was one of the guys there. We served together. Great and humble guy
When you train folks that want to fight its different. Locals only fight for money or real killing of thier enemies and real help to do it.
"That's just Militia 101"
That part where Bob says that the Libyan Militias know each other.
This comes to my mind.
Tanto-"You have their phone number? How the f**k do you have their phones number?"
Networking... Community Organizing like Barry did to our entire government and institutions in 8 years....
Most people that are just corrupt or like movies and have a crappy poor life living in the middle east on falafel can actually become an acquaintance and maybe a local contact or friend even if they are not a goatfucker terrorist jihadi..jihadi
So networking does happen in the field from time to time and a favor is traded here and there if it does not involve treason... unless you were a part on the inner circle and staff of the Obama/Biden administration and HillaryClinton as your SOS...
So, networking probably... Tanto is quite crafty...even though he was an army dude...
Because they fought Gaddafi together and had to coordinate then. And they worked together for a while, before it all erupted in chaos and infighting etc.
So the movie should have come out and showed something but when asked if you would your answer is “no they prolly wouldn’t be good”
So if they knew the militias wouldn’t help the Americans then why did they think any different during the Benghazi attack? Pretty much says it all!
He said a lot of words but really didn’t say anything
Thats CIA for u
Shit I wouldn’t want a cia hit squad coming after me I don’t blame him
Mastered that art
No, he did say a lot of things but not on detail. He said there was shit communication from the White House, everyone knew that the militias guarding the compound weren't going to defend the americans if they had to fight other militias yet the higher ups were adamant that security of the compound should be from locals. Even when their local security run and left the americans alone their orders from the higher ups were to get in contact with the local militia that just fled their position to come back and fight to evacuate the ambassador.
Yea, thats what they do
First time I’ve heard this explained so clearly. Everyone should know that You can only rely on You.
An old Arab proverb: " I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world."
As a CIA operative you gotta take whatever comes they know what they are getting into
Most find out the hard way. It's common knowledge now. But wasn't so common early on.
Can't elaborate on "some administrative stuff." So what are you doing here? The administrative stuff is what Benghazi is all about.
Why was the ambassador, and the Annex attacked in the first place?
LOL Imagine believing one word out of anyone in the CIA...
Which of the two ex-CIA contractors in this video are you referring to?
@@daviddenney2698 any of them
... found the secret angent guys
Shawn, is there anyway you can bring an insurgent on the show? I served in Iraq and did CRAM, it's nothing to what you guys have done, but I would be curious on their side of some of the battles against the US. They seem to be not just dudes off the street with AKs.
That would be so f**king awesome actually, great idea!
We are told they hate us because of this & that, and most people just believe it. I'd love to hear the other side of things, directly from the horse's mouth sort of speak
@@chrisburke624 exactly! I interacted with the dudes who fixed the AC systems, cooked our food and washed our clothes. One was from Pakistan. They were cool and we didn't have any issues with them. It's a weird feeling on why someone wants to kill you and you them, while being complete strangers. I hear you
Ahhh yes. That would be an epic ending to the SRS. A great interview followed by Allah Akhbar and boom.
@@aztronomy7457 lmao!!!!!!!
@@aztronomy7457 I get that too lol idk maybe it could happen? The interview not the boom lol