KTM 790 Adventure vs Yamaha Tenere 700
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2019
- Two of the bikes of 2019 go head-to-head in a 44T über adventure test; a day on Wales' finest roads followed by a day off-roading at the Mick Extance centre. Plus, we throw a wildcard in for good measure...
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Thanks for the plug gents! Very kind of you.
Mossy's shit vs fart story literally made me spit coffee on my desk. I would pay a lot of money to have a beer with that fella.
the whole point of the Yammy 700 was to have an affordable bike without all that sometimes unnecessary electronics
According that you could buy a XT660R
@@kiwilito maybe but I have no idea what the xt costs. I can only say it has been stated by Yamaha and the moto press the Yammy 700 was released without electronics as there are people who don't like tech, brilliant though it is. , and many who can do without them, and it saves money not having them. It allows the rider to be a motorcyclist instead of a computer operator
@@kiwilito Why would you want an adventure bike with all that shit? Give me an XR650L, DR650, XR650R, XT660 any day over these giant adventure bikes. Waiting for Yamaha to release a WR450R.
@@MichaelAbramo I agree with the sentiment of way too many rider aides on an adv bike
*sometimes necessary
i think
The old man is a diamond geezer.
Loved how he was just telling his poo story for a solid minute
You could stab that guy and he’d just laugh at you
Such a good rider he is.
I watched the video twice just to see the look on Alastair's face when Chris goes on a rant. Solid gold.
Super Mossy
Couple of points: edited.
1 - Yes, the prices have gone up since we shot this in October, but it's all relative so left the ranty bits in
2 - Yes, there will be a Budget Bike Battle update this week
3 - Thank you
4 - No. By saying Wales has it faults, we weren't 'slagging off Wales or the Welsh.' Jeeeez. Chill out
4 - no, thank YOU!
I look forward to your next superbike shootout video/review. Its hard to judge which bikes to include once you bring the price into the equation. From what I can gather the price of the top model S1000RR is quite a bit cheaper than the projected new top model Fireplace price and certainly cheaper than the V4R ... very interesting indeed.
@@mikyGTT we've got a six-way banger coning early next year 👍🏽
@@FortyFourTeeth I look forward to it, I offered before but I'll offer again. If you help with anything then give me a shout.
philshaq
That northerner is a legend.
No punches pulled, says what he means and means what he says.
🏆🏆🏆
Well said, but I vote reliability in the end, and everyone knows what I'm talking about !
KTM is actually moving production of the 790 to China, so I can't see it getting better either.
Yep that why I bought a tenere! Wait till you have to take the ktm to the dealer!
all new stuff after 2020 are not reliable
@@Fekillix so you think people in austria, are smarter and more hardworkers than the people in china?
@@Tashyncho-Sapa Think of the average CFMoto bike (whom they are partnering with), is that what KTM should be or should their quality level be like the Japanese or other European brands?
They are moving to cut costs.
Mossy is hilarious!!! Keep him around to regale the viewers with his shit stories. Plus it's fun to watch Fagan try not to show his frustration at being interrupted every 2 secs. 🤣
Hilarious, no. A gobshite can often appear to be hilarious, but at the end of the day remains a gobshite.
@@tonebonetones plus one. Don't know why anyone finds it hilarious. Crude, unecessary and annoying.
tonebonetones & Paul C must be fun at parties
@@Anonymous-or4ru I am. Life and soul me ;-) It's just I don't have to be downright crude to be funny...the lowest form of wit, next to sarcasm.
@@ReferenceFidelityComponents dude...you are so erudite and uptight about what you think is funny that you completely misread Mossy and thought he is being crude. What makes him funny is that he is oblivious to social norms and etiquette. That's what makes him hilarious. It's called irony! But I suppose irony goes over the head of some folks.
This convinced me to buy a brand new 790.
It was brilliant... when it worked.
It went back 9 times to 3 different dealers in the first year.
The dealers where rude and unhelpful... I ended up hating it and traded it for a 2003 gsxr1000. Not once has it let me down.
Unfortunately not the first or the last complaining about reliability, had the same question and the T7 is the answer, after years of driving Toyotas I don’t think I will want to visit the service center more than I visit the petrol station 😂
Value proposition of the Tenere 700: It's cheap to buy, cheap to insure, cheap to run. Parts are readily available, based on the MT-07 engine platform that's proven reliable with low maintenance costs.
No fancy electronic gizmos that can get faulty or intrude in your riding, you learn to become a better rider rather than having the electronics save your mistakes. Imo electronics should be there to save you in hazard moments, not to make worse riders "better" by doing the job for them. Also, saves cost and weight.
It's a simple bulletproof package out of the box, even if something does go wrong its going to be 10x easier to fix than anything that might happen to the KTM. And this is probably the biggest factor in chosing a proper ADV bike, and not just the highway slayers that are approved for knobbies (looking at you, GS1200).
In the end, when saving 3 grand on an adventure bike, how much suspension can you get for that kind of money, and still have enough left to pay repair bills and fuel for years? The whole point of adventure riding is to have a sturdy reliable machine that is cheap and easy to fix, and you can depend on it getting you to your destination. The Tenere ticks all those boxes, so everything above that becomes a surplus where value for money play the biggest role. Here, all the KTM bikes start losing out to the competition.
I couldn't agree more. Simple, affordable Japanese reliability. I hope Yamaha keep their wits about them and not give in to the whims of "bad riders" to add a host of rider aids like what happened to the Africa twin. Always keep a standard base model in the lineup without all the tech for the riders that don't want it
@@paulvandervyver4223 Yes exactly. We are already seeing it with liter bikes, where you can't extract the performance anymore without majorly overstepping natural abilities of most riders, so they keep adding more electronics to make up for it, which in the end just means you pay more for the same experience, and more intrusion. I hope adv bikes will follow the upcoming superbike trend of focusing on the experience, rather than the spec sheet and just fixing every issue with more electronics. Before we know it, they might as well replace the rider entirely.
@@Real_MisterSir Ktm is not even getting close to Yamaha reliability and making a bike that is 40% more expensive then the T7 with some good suspension package and electronics is not going to stop people from buying the yamaha as it is a cracking bike with the most fun engine I have ever ridden... Good brakes and good suspension for 90% of people out there.. I have tested Husky,Ktm , Aprilia and was a GS owner prior to owning the T7 and I am happy that I have made the decision. Fuelling is spot on, gearbox is very good and the brakes amazing , all this for less than 204 kg and for half the price of gs1250...
Yamaha is no stranger to electronic gizmos and controls (R1M, anyone?). But those things really aren't necessary on the T7. Organic control is better in some cases, and this is one of those cases.
@matty d Did I hit a nerve? I'm sorry the needlessly expensive bikes do not improve on the desired adv package. Sure if you're not sufficiently skilled or adventurous, go ahead and spend the extra money on the KTM and have it save your wealthy ass :) I am in fine position to buy either bike, but nothing the KTM offers over the Tenere is interesting, quite the opposite actually. Also remember this is subjective, I'm just stating that anything the KTM offers above the Yamaha, is only valid for a niche target who specifically wants those things. For everyone else, they just add extra cost and needless complexity to a package that didn't need any extras. Perfection is not achieved when there is nothing more to add, but rather when there is nothing superfluous left to strip away.
I went Tenere 700, happier to see £8.5k laying in a puddle that £12.5k (and it has regularly !), and I'll never be able to outride it either, it'll always be better that me lol !
This, i ride KTM but 12.5k to trash in the mud? Are you fookin mad? I took a 5k Euro ktm 950 instead of a 1190 that costs triple that.... If it drops in a puddle, who cares?!
If you are poor than don't buy new bikes.
@@dexio85 who's poor ? So if you'd prefer to see a 8.5k bike laying on the mud instead of a 12k one your poor .... haha haha
@@fenner-g6088 Well it's not me commenting on price of those bikes. The price difference between KTM 790 and T7 is minuscule compared to other costs of adventure riding or even additional accessories. Also, its you that brings the concern about stuff getting damaged - "8.5k laying in a puddle" , etc. Basically, you got cheaper bike because obviously price was a big factor for you. Don't try to make it as if it was a "wiser choice" now. I got 790R and I'm having a blast - that bike is way more fun that T7, yeah it costs more and has faults that I have to fix but I don't mind that because I bought it for the experience it provides, not because it was a "good value".
@@dexio85 my new hero 😂😂
Sue sacking it off again, hates the mud.
Haha yeah but that green laning video tho 😁more please!
The best suspension upgrade is losing 3 stone.
For the rest of us that aren't chubby to start with, go with the 790R..
Also you get more comfort out of the seat by losing weight!😉
@@philwilliamson3370 You can do so much suspension work for 3-4k.
or more!
Uhmmm ... how much is a "stone"???
The sum total is greater than the individual parts..... fagan and mossy at their absolute best....
I doubt motorcycle journalism will ever reach such heady heights again!!!
Yamaha for me. KTM not only more expensive initially, but also more complicated (increases odds of things going wrong). Plus factor into cost service and maintenence costs are higher... Beautiful bikes, but I know many KTM riders that have been left on the side of the road more than once.
Agreed completely. At my weight (150 lbs), I have no doubt a stock T7 would be perfectly fine for me, but even if not I could throw 1500-2000 bucks at suspension stuff and have a better bike, still for less money, that I know for certain will be MUCH more reliable and cheaper to own. Better looking to boot, and with an exhaust better sounding, too.
the accent of the elder rider is so positive and fun to listen
brilliant video 44T was great seeing these bikes put through their paces especially on Micks stomping ground!!.the tenere 700 is a beauty.thanks guys!
"I picked it oop with a fish slice"
this guy had me rolling! hilarious
Is mossy standing on a log he looks taller than his normal 4ft 2"
Don't worry, he picked it up with his trusty fish slice afterwards.
Whenever I see Mossy riding, I imagine him talking away to himself in his lid. You need a signal for when it’s his turn to speak, you know, like a pause or something 😀
Good review!
We would have had even more of Mossy but his helmet camera mic failed - thankfully 😂
@@FortyFourTeeth HAHA
@@FortyFourTeeth How about a comparison t700 vs the original xtz750 & see
1.what yamahas teaser game was, &
2.is the t700 an improvement over what yamaha knew it already had... waaaay back in 89... its taken the rest of biker land 25 years to catch up... BUT... have they
So... WHAT was Yamaha stupid marketing game with its 2 year delay teaser... whats changed from the xtz
That...”whoops a daisy...fook sake” moment is quality I replayed many times haha
Thanks for the comparison! We´re so glad we went for the T700, so happy with them! Can´t wait for the season to start properly here in Norway so the gravel roads open up properly again!
On track, on road and off road, you guys just keep getting better. Mossy is a national treasure. He doesn’t have to try to be funny, he just is.
Cheers for the video been wanting to see you guys compare the three, great watch (=
was blooming waiting for this one
"If I had the money" Everything I have heard , read and watched now is pointing my back to the Tenere.
Been waiting for this head to head review
Great review guys. You're fast becoming one of my UA-cam faves. The 790R sounds great. What are the seat lowering offerings?
What a great review Lads love the banter with you guys. Just a great channel and great review of these three bikes. Been waiting for this one for a while finally an adventure bike that you can adventure on instead of most of the Starbucks GS riders I see here in Western Canada 🇨🇦!!!!!
That was a great review guys..Thoroughly enjoyed it👍👍
Fantastic comparison first one I've seen that really gives you an idea what the bikes are like and I love the banter. Subscribed.
Good to see old Mossy hasn't changed in his old age, never shuts up. Great vid lads, bought a T7 4 weeks back, my 4th tenere.
Sometimes when camera changes or you pull out and I see you riding on the left side of the road I panic for 0.01 sec. until I remember you're not riding in Denmark..
Awesome job guys. Great comp., great shots, great fun!
I'm rocking a '89 AT 650 at the moment but I would love to upgrade for maaaybe a Yamaha T700 at some point.
Great review and matchup. Other review of regular 790 raved about the settings remaining after turning off engine but it had the rally mode added to it.
The little bloke is a classic. Keep him on. Laurel and Hardy on bikes.
"The little bloke" xD
Great review and comparison! One little thing I'd like to point out that if you have the KTM in Rally mode (maybe you have to purchase that option on the non-R?) the settings stay even after turning off the ignition.
Fantastic review guys!
Great video - really enjoyed it. I seem to want every bike that appears in a 44T vid.......BTW - is that bike at the end the limited ed rally version? Akra can makes me wonder..if so, the suspension is even further upgraded over the ‘normal’ R ??
Us yanks are still waiting for the T7 - Excellent video gentlemen!
Bored and need some background moto vids while I'm spreadsheeting, rewatching old 44T vids and this vid just reminds me how much I love Mossy
ye really need your own tv channel always cheers me up
Thanks for an brilliant review
More of this type of content
This is a proper great review guys!!
Great video chaps- keep up the good work
Mossy is back, nice to see him up and around after his huge smash
Thanks you two. Exactly what I wanted to know.
That gadgee. He cracks me up. Thanks lads - great test.
its awesome to watch the arguements and guess where it is going- awesome work gents~
Cracking review lads
Great video gents. What did you think of the Bridgestone AX41s on the road???
Great review, love the Tenere cheers lads.
I don't know where these guys get their prices from, the T7 isn't £8k, Yamaha states £9k on their website, auto trader dealers state the same. Tenere 700 seems well over priced to me, when you think a brand new Tracer 700 can be got for £6,500. Different bikes I know but same engine and the only real difference is inverted (longer travel) forks, bash plate and spoked wheels. That's not 2 and a half grands worth.
‘These guys’ get their prices from the manufacturers at the time of the shoot, which was only a few months ago.
@@FortyFourTeeth Fair enough, that's one hell of a price hike though in just a few months.
I would be looking at a bmw f850gs if the 700 is £9k the bmw is £9.5 seems like a lot more bike and 95hp and tubeless tyres
@@chrisredfield3240 Yeah the BMW is a lot of bike for the price and not much more money than the T7. I was looking at getting the BMW or a Tiger 800 xrt, but found a good deal on a Tiger so I bought one.
@@applecorp even the new tiger 900 is around £9.5k i know they are heavier but. Still is it worth paying almost the same just to be a little lighter. Also on the road the extra weight really helps with stability
Thanks for the comparison review it’s really helpful! Just wondering whats the maximum cruising speeds for both the ktm and t700 without stressing the engine?
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On my R model, the settings remain as set till you decide to change them. Even if you turn the bike completely off.
So, best comparative review I've seen to date!
I own both a 1290 Super Adventure and a 790 Adv R and the 790 Adv R is the bike I would have bought over the 1290 Super Adv had it been available in 2017
Most of my previous bikes were Yamaha, my first being a YZ125 when I was a kid, an XT500 when I was 18, then came the IT enduro bikes, Maico 490 Alpha 1, a TT600 and quite a few road bikes too..
When I test rode the 790 Adv "S" (non-R) at the dealer, I was impressed, this one had "RallyMode" enabled as well as the QS+ (quick shifter +) enabled and I was sold, but I wanted the 790 Adv R and ordered it then and there with QS+ and cruise control (I live in France and it's almost as bad as the UK with "safety cameras)
Then came the announcement of the T7, so I had to mull as to whether I should have bought another Yamaha or my 2nd KTM
I made the right choice, as you fine gentlemen said, the 790 Adv R is in a class of its own...
Why didn't do a rundown on the RallyMode electronics and did the 790 Adv R you rode have QS+?
Thanks for this video and I'll say it again... best comparative review to date!
Yep, won't be long before there'll be fork cartridges and shocks for the Tenere 700 in the aftermarket, solving any damping issues on rough stuff. That would jack the price about 1500-2000 dollars above purchase price, but that's still outside the price range of the 790A and 790AR.
Absolutely impeccable B roll and banter.
Another good video gents, thank you.
the contrast settings on your camera needs sorting
I test ride the Tenere yesterday, then the new KTM 890 adventure. The Tenere pissed all over it. What a machine.
Haha, in what expect ?, The engine ?..
and ..?
I don't like how all the channels are afraid to comment on the reliability of KTM. Let's be honest here, KTM is a nightmare of maintenance and reliability. Especially for people in the USA were dealer support and parts are harder to come by. Since the T7 shares the engine with the Mt07, you have more available parts and knowledge on the bike. There is not competition here. The T7 is the bike that will define dual sports for years to come.
The best review ever. Regardless of what you ride, this is a must watch. Love mossy
Brilliant review mates! Mossy had me spitting me kafe all over the place ! He's a KEEPER ! Rides the shyte out of those steeds as well ! Very very well done, keep up the proper vid's guys !
Great test. Love the KTM but hate (hate!) the styling. Really looking forward to the Husqvarna version...
I think all it needs is cover up the naked neck of the bike
Awesome photography
Al, have you tried leaving the key in the on position and using the kill switch instead when you're stop-starting on the KTM? It didn't used to reset the ABS on my SMCR this way, but would if I turned the key off.
Do you dial in the suspension on these bikes before you test them, ie static/dynamic sag at least?
Great comparison thanks fellas 👍
Yamaha lost sales? Sales are coming in by storm, compared to KTM. 790 is known as issues bike, sorry to say. Yamaha only needs better suspension and that's all.
Looking forward for a 390 adv review!
Mossy on the T7 "You should put the price up lads." I wish he hadn't said that-they're @ £9.5k now!
Nice review.. thanks
guys you are awesome ! I really enjoy it !
You two ARE AWESOME!👍
Where's Chris the 🐱? Al's struggling to get his words in again 😂.
Another great video chaps, makes my week watching your videos. Thank you.
When are AC:DC back on tour?
Nice comparison; came out about the way I figured. KTM all the way for me. I may be in the minority in thinking that it looks so much better than the T700, which I find to be quite ugly. I won't brand-bash like so many others, but the T700 does nothing for me. I do more street than off road for sure, and tend not to get carried away on middle- and heavyweight bikes anyways, so an S might be in my near future. It will take me anywhere I want to go, and I have no doubts about reliability. I've owned 4 KTMs and none of them have had any issues. I'm down to one, my trusty 640 Adventure, which has been just amazing, but the 790 will make a better two-up bike for long trips and won't give up anything offroad. I'm not even worried that the motor is made in China. KTM knocked it out of the park with the 790 for me.
Subscribed. Brilliant, hilarious commentary
Damn, that's some proper off road testing!
In Rally mode the settings stay when switching off/on
NICE REVIEW , SWEET SOUNDTRACK TOO
Shame you guys didn't elaborate on the options you can add to the KTM and how effective Rally mode is. Great comparison though. I got a chubby for the Adv R so I bought one. The up/down quickshifter is bloody marvelous offroad.
There was quite a lot we couldn't fit in - it was already too long really. But yes, agreed, the shifter and blipper are exquisite
As an off-roader I didn’t prefer the quickshift I found that the slightest pressure on the lever would cut throttle as if I were about to initiate a shift. I keep it disabled. The Rally mode is incredible though and contrary to the video my bike keeps the settings between rides.
@@backroads_gb I know what you mean about the quickshifter and some light pressure but I've adjusted the height/angle of my shift lever and I don't have a big issue with it. For me the benefits outweigh the negative. I tend to stick my left foot slightly out so it's not over the lever, which ordinarily would be bad practice for catching things but, they still remain withing the protection of the tank lower. Still have to get the ergos dialed in for when standing (bar height / angle, clutch angle/length) so changing gear without using the clutch is much easier and far more comfortable especially as you can change down with the throttle open on the KTM quickshifter. It's also great for steep slopes where you need another gear and don't want to lose drive/momentum.
I am not sure why the S with optional Rally mode would be any different to the R in remembering settings between power cycling. Mine also remembers the last mode it was in. Maybe the S they tested didn't have Rally mode?
Steve Cade I have an S with Rally mode maybe that is the key... I spent about 3 days tearing up a little bit of woods behind my house. Cleared about 700 miles of the KAT (Kentucky Adventure Tour) mostly offroad tracks through KY, WV, VA, and TN and I’m extremely happy with the bike. Totally out performed a buddies 1090r in terms of off road capability. In love with the bike!
Congrats! I hope to get one soon. What an incredible machine. KTM nailed it and all the rest will have up their game.
8:20 That can be a very dodgy situation to find yourself in when out trail riding...... Great video as always, keep up the great work.
I wanna see a special James & Mossy 44Teeth adventure!
Brilliant so enjoyable, two great characters and great chemistry between them.
Great stuff..good to see the Tenere is such a good bike. Yamaha HAVE increased the price to £9100 , still good value. By the way, I hear the people from the Oxford English Dictionary are including the phrase 'Rally Slag' in the next edition.....Cheers, Steve
Brilliant comparo!
Great Review you guys are hilarious being vertically challenged at 5:6 I understand your point of view of tall seat heights. We r still waiting for the Tenere here in 🇨🇦.
I prefer the specifications of the KTM, but i prefer the look of the Yamaha. I hate the seat height of the T7 & i hate the design of the 790 Adventure. 😬
Amazing marketing lesson.
Now I really want the new defender.
🙋🏻♂️ 790 owner here... I’m confused that you have to reset your settings when you shut the bike off. I know this was an issue with the other bikes in their ADV line but it’s been updated for the 790. At least the one I purchased in August and have about 3700 miles on the odometer now it has always kept my last settings upon killing the ignition and re-starting the bike.
I own 4 KTM's, two 300 (XC, EXC) a 450XCW and my old 520MXC. I think I would buy stiffer springs and buy the Yamaha.
Please bring that guy more often, fun lad
well done boys. proper test.
Could you guys do a new version of this, very curious what changed in 4 years.
That dude talking about his shit is hilarious!
What height is Mossy ? Thanks.also, I have a bad habit of dropping my bike at low speed. Which one should I be considering ? My last one was an xtz 660 without crash bars in Australia and I was a total disgrace with it but it was totally fine and only ever cost me an indicator stalk.Also which one will take a hammering (Simpson desert) and get you home safe ?
This is an excellent video. It is very informative and entertaining, and the scenery is beautiful. I really like both of these bikes and as I've said elsewhere, both would slot nicely between my KLR and GS... :) Yamaha announced US pricing for the T700 - $9,999. Very attractive. If it ever gets here.
For the testers: Did you experience any excessive engine heat on your backside or legs on the KTMs? Their bigger siblings are notorious for engine heat issues.
Great video - thanks for posting.
Must be something different in the European version of the 790. Mine keeps whatever ABS/TC/throttle setting last used, even after shutting it off.
Mossey needs a channel. Everytime he appears he is lauded