that's the problem imo with T7- is it simplified or just budged? I don't care for TC much, but the more you dig the more you see it's more about being 'cheap' bike than simple bike - cheap brakes, very obsolete and ugly mono screen(flimsy at that!), 43mm forks(!!!), reused engine from street bike etc... I really hate when manufacturers cheap out on critical components like suspension (NO PRELOAD ON T7 forks thats just ridiculous for 'adv' bike !).
@@Angry-Lynx Well, it is a relatively cheap bike. What you get for the money seems to be a great value if you are looking for a simplistic canvas from which to build a fun ADV tourer. Nothing you listed is a turn off to me. That reused engine has better power delivery for offroad than the 790 and is extremely fuel efficient as well as low maintenance. the suspension can be easily sorted (fork girth is a non issue but it makes for a good magazine talking point). Looks are subjective but I find the mono screen and T7 overall, to be far more attractive than the KTM. Brakes stop just fine, hell you can do stoppies! Not much on the market that doesn't force a buyer to purchase complete electronics packages so to me, it's a worthy tradeoff.
@@bseidem5112 Indeed. I put 50,000 miles on an FZ07 without a single issue. The CP2 engine is one of the best engines to have come out of Japan, hands down!
a real bike for a real man. not cheems who rely on technology. and the company isnt known for blown up engines. plus, it looks like a "bike". what the hell even is that praying-mantis looking headlight?
@@jacobthebaer Good question, depends on where you live.. The best way to find out is usually to call the importer / distributor in your country, they usualy know wich dealers still have one! Good Luck!!
in these ktm vs t7 articles, notice that most of the comments are typically posted by t7 owners justifying the t7 and why they didn't or wouldn't buy the ktm -like the guy who buys a toyota 4runner proclaiming how it's good enough compared to the range rover. also, notice how many of the t7 supporters comment about money, unnecessary performance, reliability, good enough, etc. lotsa practical stuff. notice that its the t7 riders competing with the 790/890/690 -like short men trying to compete with taller men, and the taller men aren't even aware that they're supposed to be competing. watch a ktm 790 video and notice the emotional response of rider. "woohoo!", "amazing", "what a blast!", "so much fun!", "omg!". ktm riders value the emotional experience and performance over the many seemingly practical sensibilities of the t7 or a klr. many ktm owners want "ready to race". a yamaha mt10/fz10 is great bike seemingly more cost sensible choice and i'd rather ride a ktm super duke, ducati streetfighter v4 or even a bmw s1000r. i value the emotional experience before all the practical stuff. i ride motorcycles for the emotional experience. it would interesting to compare the lifestyles of ktm 790 owners vs t7/klr owners. the differences seem apparent, when i look at my buds who ride one versus the other. i wonder, if money wasn't an issue how many people would still choose a t7? if you respond with, "money is an issue" or something like "$3700 is major deciding factor in my life", what does that say about your life? carry on with justifying the sensibilities of the t7, everything's that wrong with the 790 and how glad you feel for choosing a t7.
You had to bring the KLR into this😜 I am very content with my baby. She took me to hell and back. All bikes have their pros and cons and I have to say that for me it is a question of when you get onto a bike and it doesn't feel right then check out another. You will know if the bike fits you. I sat on a KTM 790 and it felt like home for me. When I sat on Yamaha T7 it felt to high and akward. If you have to get on it everyday it must feel right to get on first. Anyway, people will always try and justify what they have. The KLR is heavy, top heavy and sounds horrible in comparison but does the job for me now being broke and all. If I had money I would buy the Ktm790 any day over the Yamaha.
Yeah, you get a lot of that. When I bought my first Exc, my mates on Yamaha and Honda were taking the piss, “do you know what ktm stands for? Keep taking money!” Couple of years later and I’m the only one who hasn’t had reliability problems, my bike starts first time every time. One of the Australian channels did a video on suspension upgrades for the Tenere, in the comments someone asked if the best (and most expensive) mods brought the bike level with the Adventure R - the answer was no, that the Ktm had outstanding suspension right out the box, and even spending more than the price difference wouldn’t get you equal performance. Personally, as a keen off-road rider, I’m buying the Ktm. If I wasn’t bothered about off-road, I wouldn’t buy either - I’d get a GS1200.
I ride an old Ktm 990 adventure s at the moment and have owned several Ktms over the years. I have tested both and I prefer the Tenere event if they had the same price. The 790 is simply to ugly!
@@Checkyoursix77 I really like the Tenere from front on, but just can’t warm to its side profile. The 790 R is the only Ktm I like the look of. The only thing that would make me want the Tenere more, is the reports of the engine being much more tractable at low revs. And the sound, the exhaust note gives me the horn.
I agree with everything you said, however I would buy the T7 since it would suit the typical rides I do- hop on the highway for 20 miles to ride around on national forest roads. I wouldn't be trying to keep up with an EXC 500. This was a great review, but it highlights what everyone else is finding: These are apples and oranges. Don't buy a Japanese bike and try to turn it into a KTM, just buy the right bike to start with. But comparing the T7 to the KLR isn't fair, out of the 50 motorcycles I've owned the two KLR's I had were the most overrated, disappointing, soul-sucking POSs that I've experienced. I think the T7 would replace the DL650 and Dl1000 in my stable of bikes.
I started riding dirt bikes when I was 10 years old, we had a cabin in Big Bear (CA) and riding is how I spent my weekends and summer. Always 2 strokes, the bikes weighed almost nothing...I gotta tip my hat to anyone who can ride a 400 - 500 pound bike off road, really....I just can't imagine the endurance and strength required to do it!!!! With that said, would love to ride a T7 for a day....
If this many comparison reviews exist vs the 2 bike's, it tells me the KTM is nearly the gold standard, and that the T7 must be quite the motorcycle! I had the FZ07 for 3 years and loved that engine, so i'm very excited to take one of these out on my own test drive.
@Justin Dawes Totally Agree, these modern bikes are just too big and fat. By comparison to other middleweight bike, my old Transalp wieghs in at 386 lbs dry / approx 426 lbs wet
So Bee Cee, your Transalp weighed 34 pounds less...but had half the horsepower. I'm pretty sure that the suspension has improved somewhat since then. Progress indeed. There's plenty of lighter bikes for you to choose from. But they don't have the on road performance, power and features of the KTM 790 Adventure R. Lucky for us, there's something for everyone.
can't help but kinda agree they still can't make 2 cyl 700+cc bike that weights less than 200kg but oh well I accepted that, and we have 701 after all ;
You nailed a great un biased video. Some of the others cant do. I had the T7, absolutely excellent machine. I put $2600 into, seat, suspension, rack, pipe, and never got to the same performance as my new 790. So, when we compare value it needs to always be mentioned that these machines are the same cost if you want the same stuff. Just the way it works, If you want less, T7, even more less KLR, in all fairness, great bike. But the ktm is performance and for the extra value you get exactly what you pay for. The abs issue with default on the yamaha, it sucks, for anyone doing adventure riding off road. Its damn right horrible and their needs to be a way to disconnect it before I killed myself.
right!? and ppl think they put some 'bolt ons' on T7, upgrade suspension and will have the same 'performance' as 790r but with better reliability...... fck no, it's not that simple, T7 is kinda budget bike and you can't do much about boring and not very strong engine.
The KTM has the same but even worse issue, what are you talking about? They’re very similar bikes, and I bet I’d destroy you with my T7, but when you ride to the cafe for pictures and insti shots, you’ll certainly feel better that you spent more money for nothing ;?)
@@dasboot9471 Wonder how you get that when looking at the bikes spec's. Suspension, power, clearance, weight distribution, etc, etc. If they mean nothing, how do you rate a bikes performance? I guess with that math, I could destroy you with my old KLR. Really man
There is A great video on UA-cam, with pol tarres, the seeker movie, on the tenere 700, its amazing what these bikes can do, in the hands of a pro extreme enduro rider, same with chriss birch on the ktm.
Great review , can't wait to find one Yamaha Téneré 700 :D I'm isolated here in Egypt. Unfortunately most bikers here in Egypt are on road type of bikers.
Great straight forward review of the stock performance of these two ADV bikes. I'm looking to get back into ADV riding and planning to purchase the Tenere 700 due to the price point and the simple design and lack of electronics to deal with. I've ridden and owned about everything available over the years, and coming from a very heavy motocross racing background I was leaning towards a husky 701 or 690 as my coming back to riding (single track trails, to long hauls, to camping off my bike etc) platform for versatility but the Tenere is calling to me!
With the $3k plus cost savings on the T7- install the Yamaha GYTR suspension or other aftermarket parts, rear brake remedy and decent tires and re-run the performance test to give a closer comparison. How about showing propensity to crash damage and cost of parts replacement afterwards?!
Ktms are awesome but the quality is crap, and if I would take one of these bikes on an adventure... Well, Yamaha all the way. The odds that I would get home again without issues is much greater. It’s a shame because I love KTMs but they need to up there build quality and longevity.
CAUTION This one (1) minute owners review sums of the *average Joe* review of the Tenere 700's *_one (1) major weakness:_* ua-cam.com/video/jRI_t9SqNb0/v-deo.html I.e. its top heavy & overweight for *_off road._*
After a year or so of research into the Yamaha Tenere 700 I have found one or two major "flaws" or draw backs: - The Yamaha Tenere 700 is *_top heavy_* & generally too heavy for off road, hence the many videos of it falling down more than other adventure bikes. - I have heard the Tenere 700 has a "jerky speeding throttle" in every gear. That is when you first get into gear you always get a surge at the very start of the clutch engagement. This can get old real quick. - Other minor flaws or draw backs are the fuel cap that comes completely off and the NON-LED very floppy turn signals. Beside the surging throttle the Tenere 700is very good on the road though.
I agree. The base model ktm 790 versus the basic model T7, no contest. Plus the ktm's have over 90cc more "poke". Reviews always comparing "apples with oranges" are not that accurate I reckon.
I concede on that point the KTM Adventure model is far too road oriented for my preferred riding but so is the Yamaha T700. The Yammy suspension sucks for aggressive off road riding. The KTM Adventure model and the T700 Yamaha are a much closer match. The Adventure R is considerably better than both the other bikes in all departments.
If you compare these bikes, and put aside that for the size and weight of the riders, you will probably need the change the springs on both bikes anyways in order to be comparable, the verdict might be a little different. The Yamaha was made for riders of about 65-75 Kg. If you use the original springs and compare it to a bike that s made with springs for riders of 75-85Kg od course it will be uncomparable.. By the way, making a comparrison, you might also want to ride the same tires. OK, yes, the KTM has more gismos, that can also brake down, electrics are known on KTM's not to be the best, and, lets not forget the brakeproblems many people have written about.. If you go on a long trip, lets be real, simplicity and reliabilty are key.. But i like both bikes
I like em both. I needed more range, rack and was looking for more performance. The 790 was the obvious choice for my adventure bike. I do mostly off road, long haul adventure though.
Luckily i had the chance to travel a lot with both bikes mostly off road in 2020. Both bikes are great! Up to my 50% t7 easier Above my 50% 790r more fun and safer! 790r Suspension travel (~+40mm) and quality, plus tank lower position provide great feeling the faster you go Price is important and t7 wins 790r though is cheap for what you get I STRONGLY believe now that the straight comparison is not so fair for none of these two wonderful bikes Find time to ride The rest are details just to discuss and spent time
I am torn on this topic, the ktms have been at the top of my list since 2005, and ive loved all of the ones 'ive owned , but the quality is going down it seems at the cost of gizmo electronics perhaps or maybe to support their Moto gp ploy? Whateva it is, do i really need all that stuff ??on an "ADVENTURE BIKE"?? the T7 Yamaha is looking pretty good from that point of view
KTM has way too much electronics mumbo-jumbo 🤢I can guarantee you I know which one will be breaking down on the trail first🇨🇦 We’ve had to end a couple trips due to KTM’s clutch and other various issues short😂🤣Simple simple simple Yamaha T7🙏😁At least somebody’s listening thank you Yamaha
Have you test ridden both bikes? The KTM is actually wobbling at higher speeds on tarmac. I partly blame the high fender acting like a sail for that. Partly. The Ten wobbles slightly also. But that is the front tyre. Change it, even with the same tyre, and its gone. 'Fortnine' got the explanation for that.
i went with the ktm since configuring the t7 is ultra expensive, and even after expending a lot of money on it, it didn`t gave me the feels and confidence that the ktm gave me... the ktm is a far better spec bike, and i know that yam is a lot better in terms of reliability but yamaha also took the cheap route on some things...
Good review. The Tenere is a bare bone adventure bike and the KTM is the better offroad machine with the obvious higher price tag. Sometimes you get what you pay for. I know which one I would buy. lol
Countershaft sprocket leaks on the KTM 790’s.... But it’ll be cover under warranty and there is also a rear brake line recall because of the shortness in the cable line, just my 2 cents since I work at a Ktm dealer, I’d go more towards the T7 because of the minimal electronic bs and Yamaha reliability
@@dalecolegrove6652 The sprocket is mounted on the final drive shaft with an ‘o’ ring behind it. Don’t know about road bikes, but dirt bikes need them changing every now and then. It’s real easy to do at home and costs next to nothing.
@@Howling-Mad-Murdock The very first batch of the 390 Duke we had in India back in 2013 had the exact same problem. There was a difference in tolerances that caused the O-ring on the shaft to get sliced during assembly. As a result, every 390 Duke I saw in showrooms had a dripping front sprocket. I don't know if the 790 has the exact same problem.
Going by reputation of reliability & the fact that Adventure bikes can have you in the middle of nowhere , I think most blokes would go with the T-700 , knowing that yes the Kato will have better suspension & power .. but reliability is a huge thing, & Yamaha has it.
I’ve had my T7 for 12 months now and agree totally with your comments. I’ve done the Oodnadatta Track and had nothing but confidence with its reliability. On the other hand I have an associate who has the KTM 790 who recently had to trailer the bike back to Victoria from the NSW high country because it just decided to not start one day. The electronics on the KTM are one of its greatest features but also it’s greatest downfall. The T7 has strength in its simplicity.
Couldn’t agree more and I own KTM motorcycles. The reliability really is the only bad thing with these bikes other than that the performance is amazing.
T7. Adventure motorcycles need to be able to do crush miles on the road as good as they do they trail, the Yam does that. + reliability, cost, wind protection, etc.
@@FanOWater also, KTM is more user friendly regarding riders rest... She just want to go to the KTM dealer with that light that doesn't go off, that function that stops working, etc, etc, so the rider can rest itself... Sometimes for several days... Sometimes away from home for a well deserved vacations in some 3rd world destiny.... Now the T7 won't let you rest at all... Big disadvantage, no doubt. Plus the ibuprofen.... Bahh... (kidding)
T7 with 3 grand to spent on extras, and still to be left with some change to buy new gear... No fancy shmancy electronic, which not will be used anyways...! Great way to learn even more, as no TC steppin in... Tenere T7 all the way for me!
I was the owner of a 1290 Super Adv. In Brazil, it gave me electronic bugs that kept me awake, KTM here in my country is not able to remain carefree or trust the dealerships. I sold it for fear of exploding in my hand, unfortunately.
KTM AR had let me down so many times with faulty rear brake sensors, fuel tank level indicator problems and rear shock adjustment problems. Now riding the basic but awesomely built YamTen7. Nothing against KTM but this was a rush build that needed the 890 AR to put it into retirement ✌🏾
IT will outlast it until you drop it on the right side, I was out with my buddy on his 3-month-old T7, he dropped the bike and it wasn't that hard of a drop and the muffler hanger bent the rear subframe, the rear subframe is welded on the bike not bolted so the bike was totaled out, I put my money back in the bank when you can drop your bike and total it, I don't think it's for me.
@@tacjam1 this is g damn depressing news. The new cfl300 from honda is doing the same thing. I can almost understand doing it, if it save money, on street bikes that aren't ment to hit the ground but on an adventure platform its basically a given your going to drop the bike. Id rather lose some structural rigidity for the ability to unbolt and replace a subframe any day
I have owned Yamaha dirt bikes in the past as a matter of fact I used to race them. They are very nice bikes but don't believe for one minute that they don't have there problems also. Welding the sub frame to the rest of the frame is ridiculous! You don't have to fall that hard to bend a sub frame. When you do no more bike. But I guess the engine will still be running. The KTM wins hands down.
I prefer the simplicity of the T7. Plus KTM is ugly. I own the previous tenene xt660z. I learned how to ride offroad with that bike, i crashed it countless times . I change the oil every 10 thousands km. I have 117 thousands km with it and i changed only a starter relay(€60). The reliability of that bike is insane. I will definitely go with the Yamaha
1. I wouldn't want to be seen dead on the KTM (it looks horrible imo) 2. The KTM has electrical stuff which in the African bush has left me stranded twice so I will go T7 as it has no electrics to cause a "limp mode" issue. 3. Yamaha looks much nicer. 4. Yamaha is Yamaha so that means for me it is reliable. Never had one engine failure or issue in my riding career on Yamahas.
I keep daily riding my 2021 T7 and my Friend with the KTM keeps taking days off while it’s in the shop. I really feel bad for him because he spent so much and there’s no denying he got so much more power BUT he didn’t get what he paid for in reliability.
Good review, great to see more middleweight options in the Adventure motorcycle class. I chose the KTM 790 ADV R and it has been a rock-solid performing machine both on and off-road. Best bike I've owned so far and a clear choice vs. the T7 for me. The KTM electronics also include modern safety features and creature comforts for the pavement rides that get you to the trails.
When you speak levels of TC on the KTM I hear "can you please call somebody...oh...wait I have no net..."...I'm old school, II travel with no support team and prefer to get to my destination safe, even if a little late, so I travel in either my s10 1200 (more road biased) or, if off road, in my T7. No BS electronics to screw things up in the middle of Marrocos and having to rent a pickup to take me to the border (like I watched many times while waiting on my Tenere). Adventure in remote locations is about dependability and trustworthiness, not timed laps. Of course you can prefer that and be happy about it. KTM is a soulful machine that pumps up the bpm on your heart, but each one to its own. I never ever had a problem with my teneres (although the t7 is new, the t12 is not...) - knock on wood-. What's most important is for everybody to be safe and enjoy!
@@yaboi-km2qn makes no sense. He talks about performance on road etc... even says maybe the tyres. So he cannot really review traction and front end feel unless the tyres are the same. If you have different tyres you get significant differences and that makes most of the review redundant. You see most review channels putting the same tyres for exactly this reason. It removes that difference and leta you actually compare.
On the long run I would guess you'll get more enjoyment for your buck with the Ténéré. Japanese bikes tent to last longer and already seen some KTM 790 horror which convinced me again. Besides the fact I think the Ténéré feels better in all possible ways in riding experience.
Both great bikes. I've had the 790r for a bit over a year now and have had no problems other than the rear brake recall. no big deal. It's my first proper adventure bike and I love it. It doesn't look pretty but I don't see it while riding and it makes me smile. On this bike I go and keep up with my mates on 500 exc's and can head home on the black top no problems. 790 for me.
I just couldn't get off the KTM and look back and think "that's a cool bike". I love getting of my bike, look back and get that "hell yeah" feeling. In that aspect, the Tenere wins by far. Anyway, great bikes.
hate the KTM plastic gas tanks, in person they are just ridiculous...I realize they are beneficial (until you endo), but they really detract from the looks...
and if they were as competent as you, they would have dusted you? and if they rode t7s, the gap would have much, much wider? so a better rider is better on a ktm and a less skilled rider is better on a ktm?
@@Angry-Lynx lol I see your comments in a lot of Yamaha praising comments... Man, stop, you look like a fanboy. T7 is an amazing bike and the ktm too. BUT, in the segment reliability is key, so the T7 takes the win.
You guys do such a great job of reporting on performance from new bikes. I wish there was also a reliable source of info about what the bikes are like to live with for 5-10 years. Can’t ask for everything...
they are all same,in every language and culture,try the bike one day and ommiting percents of failure,wich is so important as how performant is the bike,nobody buy a bike to pass weeks and sometimes months waiting for a piece broken,supposed to be part of the data you supply
Yamaha's reliability history is probably the best out there. The Tenere also has less hi-tech expensive parts that will (as we all know) eventually fail. I know what the results will be in 10 years looking back................. sorry KTM.
Great vid! This was precisely the comparison that I was looking for. For me, it looks like the T7 will do the job perfectly; but, damn, that KTM is slick! 🤙
I feel like cycle world is being a ktm fanboy and was slipped some money for this video. I personally like the ktn group however if you grew up racing motorcross GNCC Hare scrambles whatever. The Yamaha is the clear choice it's a dirt bike. Just my opinion.
Cycle World: The KTM 790 Adventure R is slightly better than the T7 in everyway.... you just have to pay $3700 More Comments: Can't wait to buy my T7. Take note bike manufacturers, We want less tech more vroom.
ManAndMachine thank you, that is a short answer. Both 790 Adventure bikes are made for all-road travels though, just like the Yamaha T7. You can’t really say the ‘normal’ 790 Adventure wasn’t for off road, can you? By the way: I am quite sure Yamaha will come with a better equipped T7 in the future as well. Would be nice to see you do this test again then!
Which ktm is made in China?? None. A Chinese company has licensed the use of a ktm motor in their own bike. Some smaller KTMs are made in India. The 790/890/1090/1190/1290/990/950 are/were all made in Austria.
Yamaha's 50 year history of stone-ax reliability and high perfomance superiority would naturly weigh large in my choice. Also, I prefer the road bias; if I want off-road bias I'd go for a lighter more off-road competant Dual Sport.🤓 KTM, in 20 more years, may have established a suitable reputation, but by then Yamaha will still be 50 years ahead!😎 Of course, the real deal breaker for the KTM is the uglier than anything I've ever seen on two - wheels orange paint scene. I'll just have to stick with Triumph, Yamaha and Suzuki unless and until KTM runs out of orange paint.😡
With better tires mounted, the better suspension, motor and brakes of the 790R would allow it to smoke the Tenere on the street. The Karoo 3's were not confidence inspiring in the corners. Looks are subjective. Cheers.
@KTMARV 1 Nah not really, just a joke. I've got about 25k miles on Duke 125 and 390 and loved every second of it. I miss them every day, despite being let down by them a few times!
Nice comparison, thx for sharing. One point you never mentioned is how bad the KTM engine is behaving in lower revs, it is running rough and indignant, requires to downshift where the Yamaha is just pulling smooth through the rev range. The Kato is racier and wants to be revved then the engine shines. I found my self unconcentrated and permanently switching between modes and traction control stages. When the Kato begins to be better in off road terrain my skills have ended and I found the Yamaha more than enough capable for what I ride. Finally the KTM is so ugly that I decided in favour of the T700. I wonder why KTM still uses such a hard to clean swing arm that looks like if they forgot to finish it in the factory. The Yamaha's wobbly instrument cluster is a pain and also the bracket for the exhaust can is much less than ideal as it is welded to the subframe which is welded to the main frame. The brakes are not as good as those of the Kato but finally I saved so much money that all this doesn't really count and on roads I felt the Yamaha being a lot better though its engine has a bunch less horses.
Somewhat exactly my thoughts & words! Very well said! That´s it! I´ve done 12K kms, autumn 2019 til autumn 2020! Did TET/ADV Italy, Croatia, highway inbetween: what a joy to ride!
@KTMARV 1 how a bike looks is arguably just as important as how it performs to me. Both come behind reliability tho imo, no one wants a bike that you can’t push for fear of needing to repair it
Well, keep your KTM. Yamaha beats KTM in reliability. Specially now with KTM being made in India. Plus, for someone like me planning a Trip through Central and South America, I’ll take the Yamaha anytime. If both bikes break down in some small town in the middle of a third world country, good luck finding a mechanic who has the know how and specialized tools to work on the KTM complex electronics. Not to mention the price of replacing those components. Oh, and good luck finding a KTM dealer in some countries. In that respect, and from the perspective that I can take those extra few thousand bucks for the KTM and equip my T7 nicely, the T7 is the clear winner in my book. I hope and pray that Yamaha does NOT take the BS route of traction control and all the other electronic BS. Other than EFI and ABS, nothing else is needed. Just man (in my caee woman) and machine testing and improving one’s skills.
Friendly reminder that in 3 years when all the electronic gizmos on the KTM shit the bed, the yamaha will still be operating just as good as it was the day you bought it.....
I like the T7, but your statement that the electronics will fail within 3 years on the KTM doesn't match my experience at all. Buy the bike you want, but don't knock the other bike unless you have personal experience to back up your beliefs.
@@hungwasson1399 fair enough...I hear you. That being said, electronics on mechanical devices in general tend to be failing points. It’s just additional complicated systems that don’t tend to last for the long haul. Keep shit simple and mechanical and it’s easily repaired and generally reliable. Computer systems on new cars glitch and fail all the time and require regular updating etc. Maybe I’m just old school, but all the electrical nannies seem like unnecessary items that up the “wow” factor and price but do little to add any actual value. Again, just my .02
@@pbourdon231 Had BMW and KTM with a bulk of electronics for about 8 years now, never an issue. On the other hand, my girlfriends T7 has it exhaust falling a part and a waterpump issue, all within a years time. Also have a 990 adventure, which I ride most, no electronics, no nothing, 9 years old and only replaced the fuel pump once. So I'm not bashing anything but my experience is very different. Every manufacturer has its Monday morning models.
@@marcelfacd thats the thing no electronics those 990s are gorgeous bikes and sound amazing, kills me that they were discontinued To me reliability and simplicity go hand and hand, i have a DR and ive done everything but shoot at it. But looking for something with a little more oomph and comfort long haul but still can hold up to some disrespect. At the bare minimum yamaha is just more common. Probably doesnt amount to much these days, they are making things so fancy you cant fix anything anymore.
I have a KTM supermoto and its been fine. But I would not trust KTM for a long adventure into the desert. Reliability is most important with this category of bike.
KTM reliability can touch Yamaha’s. Look how long it took them to break into the US motocross and Supercross Arenas. There is no doubt that KTM makes good motors, but like a lot of the European cars the reliability isn’t there. Don’t get me wrong it’s improved, however comparatively speaking it’s still on the very low end. Yes riders that have lots of sponsors and a lot of money can afford to run one and fix it all the time but for us average guys they are a headache. The funny thing is all the fancy features they noted on the KTM as great would make me even more leery about purchasing it. With the extra 3000+ dollars you could easily dial in the Yamaha suspension and brakes, Plus have a ton of money left over to go on it adventure!
Justin this review is very 2019 when everyone and their dog tested the T7 using standard suspension and compared it to the 790 R without consideration that the T7 is too softly sprung for American/Australian/Euro riders. Set up that way is not going to reveal what the T7 can do for most riders when they tune their suspension correctly. Fitting the right springs for a few hundred dollars and setting the preload and damping for your weight makes a tremendous difference. If you really want to do this comparison in a way that riders will relate to in 2021, then correctly configure the suspension for your weight on both bikes and retest. You should also fit the same tires and my recommendation would be the Shinko 216 MX front and rear, because these are dirt oriented adv bikes, and these tires will reveal what the bikes are capable of. If you really wanted to be thorough though, then perhaps also test using the same 50/50 tires on both bikes.
@Justin Dawes That was my point Justin, stock vs stock might be something you do when its new. Its now "the future". The price difference should be considered here. These bikes are in different price brackets and not even worthy of comparison in stock form. But a modified T7 against the KTM 790 R is a much more equal fight, and the T7 would still be cheaper.
Jeez! hard to find any objective reasoning in the comment section lol. It’s funny because you have the Yamaha fans screaming about reliability to anybody that will listen, and you have the Ktm fans that never had a problem with their bikes. I am of the position that if reliability was priority; I would never buy Ducati motorcycles lol, although I honestly never had a problem with mines, but if I did, that would be okay lol. If you can only afford a Tenere, that’s fine, but I personally won’t buy one. I am either getting the Ducati X or the Norden 901 whom are both more exciting and way better looking than the Tenere. I can’t understand buying motorcycle solely for reliability reasons, it’s a toy! It’s suppose to be fun, good looking, and make your neighbor jealous lol.
The Yamaha for all day every day usage and over landing to remote area’s. The KTM for that unwipable grin on your face, showing off and riding like a hooligan.
terrible forward leaning foot pegs on the ktm crap. and you just know the t7 will last forever. ill get a t7 one day :D for now ill stick to my xt600 :D
These are very different bikes overall. 70% of people should go for the Tenere as they won't get use of the sportier KTM which is much more designed for fast off-road use.
How much did KTM pay for this review? Well times are tough, even Cycle World has had to lower the amount by which they can be bought. I hope it was worth it. There is so much to talk about regarding the raised counter shaft on the Yamaha and how it effects rear wheel traction and suspension. It is really a bold innovative move. Did KTM demand that you not discuss it? I thought so.
@@gbner9991 You're 100% right but magazines should (wait what the fuck s a fort nine. A fort nine video) encourage bold attempts of innovation. So what if it still falls way short of the KTM 790. There are huge gains to be had by testing the Yamaha's rear suspension. It's the beginning of what could turn out to be a great idea.
how many times you take on off-road "Aggressively" on a adventure bike? You should never ever do that - especially you are on a long range adventure trip.
For Yamaha value you can upgrade suspension buy extra travel equipment and you still will have some money for gasoline. T7 is cheaper even if you are worry about maintenance. This is simple calculation. If Yamaha will upgrade fuel tank for at least 18L and give some extra HP it will be great bike for travellers.
It's great that at least one company will sell us a wonderfully simplified adventure bike. No ride modes and a single switch to turn off ABS ? Nice!!
that's the problem imo with T7- is it simplified or just budged? I don't care for TC much, but the more you dig the more you see it's more about being 'cheap' bike than simple bike - cheap brakes, very obsolete and ugly mono screen(flimsy at that!), 43mm forks(!!!), reused engine from street bike etc... I really hate when manufacturers cheap out on critical components like suspension (NO PRELOAD ON T7 forks thats just ridiculous for 'adv' bike !).
@@Angry-Lynx Well, it is a relatively cheap bike. What you get for the money seems to be a great value if you are looking for a simplistic canvas from which to build a fun ADV tourer. Nothing you listed is a turn off to me. That reused engine has better power delivery for offroad than the 790 and is extremely fuel efficient as well as low maintenance. the suspension can be easily sorted (fork girth is a non issue but it makes for a good magazine talking point). Looks are subjective but I find the mono screen and T7 overall, to be far more attractive than the KTM. Brakes stop just fine, hell you can do stoppies! Not much on the market that doesn't force a buyer to purchase complete electronics packages so to me, it's a worthy tradeoff.
@@motopossum7839 And Yamaha reliability.
@@bseidem5112 Indeed. I put 50,000 miles on an FZ07 without a single issue. The CP2 engine is one of the best engines to have come out of Japan, hands down!
a real bike for a real man. not cheems who rely on technology. and the company isnt known for blown up engines. plus, it looks like a "bike". what the hell even is that praying-mantis looking headlight?
Nice Review! I like the performance from KTM. But the T7 simplicity is what attracts me. No Tech = No problems!
No electronics no problem 👌
Reliability , pure adventure sense and simple.I bought T7rallye.
@@thedevhow japanese reliable production kid.
I’m buying T7
Good choise.. I tried out both, and I bought the T7.. no question!
@@olisadventures6025 I've been having trouble finding one. Do you know any dealers that have them in stock?
@@jacobthebaer Good question, depends on where you live.. The best way to find out is usually to call the importer / distributor in your country, they usualy know wich dealers still have one! Good Luck!!
Id say T7 over ktm..i checked and there alot ktm forsale versus T7 .. I guess once bought its a keep
in these ktm vs t7 articles, notice that most of the comments are typically posted by t7 owners justifying the t7 and why they didn't or wouldn't buy the ktm -like the guy who buys a toyota 4runner proclaiming how it's good enough compared to the range rover. also, notice how many of the t7 supporters comment about money, unnecessary performance, reliability, good enough, etc. lotsa practical stuff.
notice that its the t7 riders competing with the 790/890/690 -like short men trying to compete with taller men, and the taller men aren't even aware that they're supposed to be competing.
watch a ktm 790 video and notice the emotional response of rider. "woohoo!", "amazing", "what a blast!", "so much fun!", "omg!". ktm riders value the emotional experience and performance over the many seemingly practical sensibilities of the t7 or a klr. many ktm owners want "ready to race". a yamaha mt10/fz10 is great bike seemingly more cost sensible choice and i'd rather ride a ktm super duke, ducati streetfighter v4 or even a bmw s1000r. i value the emotional experience before all the practical stuff. i ride motorcycles for the emotional experience. it would interesting to compare the lifestyles of ktm 790 owners vs t7/klr owners. the differences seem apparent, when i look at my buds who ride one versus the other.
i wonder, if money wasn't an issue how many people would still choose a t7? if you respond with, "money is an issue" or something like "$3700 is major deciding factor in my life", what does that say about your life?
carry on with justifying the sensibilities of the t7, everything's that wrong with the 790 and how glad you feel for choosing a t7.
You had to bring the KLR into this😜 I am very content with my baby. She took me to hell and back. All bikes have their pros and cons and I have to say that for me it is a question of when you get onto a bike and it doesn't feel right then check out another. You will know if the bike fits you. I sat on a KTM 790 and it felt like home for me. When I sat on Yamaha T7 it felt to high and akward. If you have to get on it everyday it must feel right to get on first. Anyway, people will always try and justify what they have. The KLR is heavy, top heavy and sounds horrible in comparison but does the job for me now being broke and all. If I had money I would buy the Ktm790 any day over the Yamaha.
Yeah, you get a lot of that. When I bought my first Exc, my mates on Yamaha and Honda were taking the piss, “do you know what ktm stands for? Keep taking money!” Couple of years later and I’m the only one who hasn’t had reliability problems, my bike starts first time every time. One of the Australian channels did a video on suspension upgrades for the Tenere, in the comments someone asked if the best (and most expensive) mods brought the bike level with the Adventure R - the answer was no, that the Ktm had outstanding suspension right out the box, and even spending more than the price difference wouldn’t get you equal performance. Personally, as a keen off-road rider, I’m buying the Ktm. If I wasn’t bothered about off-road, I wouldn’t buy either - I’d get a GS1200.
I ride an old Ktm 990 adventure s at the moment and have owned several Ktms over the years. I have tested both and I prefer the Tenere event if they had the same price. The 790 is simply to ugly!
@@Checkyoursix77 I really like the Tenere from front on, but just can’t warm to its side profile. The 790 R is the only Ktm I like the look of. The only thing that would make me want the Tenere more, is the reports of the engine being much more tractable at low revs. And the sound, the exhaust note gives me the horn.
I agree with everything you said, however I would buy the T7 since it would suit the typical rides I do- hop on the highway for 20 miles to ride around on national forest roads. I wouldn't be trying to keep up with an EXC 500.
This was a great review, but it highlights what everyone else is finding: These are apples and oranges. Don't buy a Japanese bike and try to turn it into a KTM, just buy the right bike to start with.
But comparing the T7 to the KLR isn't fair, out of the 50 motorcycles I've owned the two KLR's I had were the most overrated, disappointing, soul-sucking POSs that I've experienced.
I think the T7 would replace the DL650 and Dl1000 in my stable of bikes.
I started riding dirt bikes when I was 10 years old, we had a cabin in Big Bear (CA) and riding is how I spent my weekends and summer. Always 2 strokes, the bikes weighed almost nothing...I gotta tip my hat to anyone who can ride a 400 - 500 pound bike off road, really....I just can't imagine the endurance and strength required to do it!!!! With that said, would love to ride a T7 for a day....
What's up with the KTM rider's body position? He's leaning way forward on the flats.
Isn’t that standard KTM riding position, except Toby Price!
🤣 I was thinking the same thing !
he could be tall. I seem to ride that way too but I also dont know what the fuck Im doing 90% of the time
I do that too because the footpegs are inclined towards the front on my adv 390
Ryan at FortNine claimed that the pegs push you forward when standing.
If this many comparison reviews exist vs the 2 bike's, it tells me the KTM is nearly the gold standard, and that the T7 must be quite the motorcycle! I had the FZ07 for 3 years and loved that engine, so i'm very excited to take one of these out on my own test drive.
One correction...the WP of KTM 790 adventure R are 48mm and not 43mm.
In what world is +460 pounds light? That as much as an Africa Twin from the 90's. What progress.
@Justin Dawes Totally Agree, these modern bikes are just too big and fat. By comparison to other middleweight bike, my old Transalp wieghs in at 386 lbs dry / approx 426 lbs wet
So Bee Cee, your Transalp weighed 34 pounds less...but had half the horsepower. I'm pretty sure that the suspension has improved somewhat since then. Progress indeed. There's plenty of lighter bikes for you to choose from. But they don't have the on road performance, power and features of the KTM 790 Adventure R. Lucky for us, there's something for everyone.
can't help but kinda agree they still can't make 2 cyl 700+cc bike that weights less than 200kg but oh well I accepted that, and we have 701 after all ;
@@kalaharimine Honda just re-trademarked the "Transalp" name.
I can't wait to see what comes out.
You nailed a great un biased video. Some of the others cant do. I had the T7, absolutely excellent machine. I put $2600 into, seat, suspension, rack, pipe, and never got to the same performance as my new 790. So, when we compare value it needs to always be mentioned that these machines are the same cost if you want the same stuff. Just the way it works, If you want less, T7, even more less KLR, in all fairness, great bike. But the ktm is performance and for the extra value you get exactly what you pay for. The abs issue with default on the yamaha, it sucks, for anyone doing adventure riding off road. Its damn right horrible and their needs to be a way to disconnect it before I killed myself.
right!? and ppl think they put some 'bolt ons' on T7, upgrade suspension and will have the same 'performance' as 790r but with better reliability......
fck no, it's not that simple, T7 is kinda budget bike and you can't do much about boring and not very strong engine.
The KTM has the same but even worse issue, what are you talking about? They’re very similar bikes, and I bet I’d destroy you with my T7, but when you ride to the cafe for pictures and insti shots, you’ll certainly feel better that you spent more money for nothing ;?)
@@dasboot9471 Wonder how you get that when looking at the bikes spec's. Suspension, power, clearance, weight distribution, etc, etc. If they mean nothing, how do you rate a bikes performance? I guess with that math, I could destroy you with my old KLR. Really man
There is A great video on UA-cam, with pol tarres, the seeker movie, on the tenere 700, its amazing what these bikes can do, in the hands of a pro extreme enduro rider, same with chriss birch on the ktm.
The T7 is the better longterm, all around bike. Use the price difference to upgrade the springs/suspension of the T7.
Great review , can't wait to find one Yamaha Téneré 700 :D I'm isolated here in Egypt. Unfortunately most bikers here in Egypt are on road type of bikers.
Thanks for that thorough review. Great content! I'm still torn but I think it's the T7 for me
Great straight forward review of the stock performance of these two ADV bikes. I'm looking to get back into ADV riding and planning to purchase the Tenere 700 due to the price point and the simple design and lack of electronics to deal with.
I've ridden and owned about everything available over the years, and coming from a very heavy motocross racing background I was leaning towards a husky 701 or 690 as my coming back to riding (single track trails, to long hauls, to camping off my bike etc) platform for versatility but the Tenere is calling to me!
With the $3k plus cost savings on the T7- install the Yamaha GYTR suspension or other aftermarket parts, rear brake remedy and decent tires and re-run the performance test to give a closer comparison. How about showing propensity to crash damage and cost of parts replacement afterwards?!
Ktms are awesome but the quality is crap, and if I would take one of these bikes on an adventure... Well, Yamaha all the way. The odds that I would get home again without issues is much greater.
It’s a shame because I love KTMs but they need to up there build quality and longevity.
Too late we're on to the KTM 890 Adventure models
890 seems like cheap money grab move, released 790 then almost immediately made it obsolete, its the oldest trick in the book ;
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This one (1) minute owners review sums of the *average Joe* review of the Tenere 700's *_one (1) major weakness:_* ua-cam.com/video/jRI_t9SqNb0/v-deo.html I.e. its top heavy & overweight for *_off road._*
After a year or so of research into the Yamaha Tenere 700 I have found one or two major "flaws" or draw backs:
- The Yamaha Tenere 700 is *_top heavy_* & generally too heavy for off road, hence the many videos of it falling down more than other adventure bikes.
- I have heard the Tenere 700 has a "jerky speeding throttle" in every gear. That is when you first get into gear you always get a surge at the very start of the clutch engagement. This can get old real quick.
- Other minor flaws or draw backs are the fuel cap that comes completely off and the NON-LED very floppy turn signals.
Beside the surging throttle the Tenere 700is very good on the road though.
I noticed you had to go to the R model of the KTM to try and compete with the Tenere!
I agree. The base model ktm 790 versus the basic model T7, no contest. Plus the ktm's have over 90cc more "poke". Reviews always comparing "apples with oranges" are not that accurate I reckon.
I concede on that point the KTM Adventure model is far too road oriented for my preferred riding but so is the Yamaha T700. The Yammy suspension sucks for aggressive off road riding.
The KTM Adventure model and the T700 Yamaha are a much closer match. The Adventure R is considerably better than both the other bikes in all departments.
@@flyingfox7252 even the reliability department, since that is also part of the performance because its an adventure bike
I didn't notice any Toby Price type riding in here ;) No air @ full noise.
If you compare these bikes, and put aside that for the size and weight of the riders, you will probably need the change the springs on both bikes anyways in order to be comparable, the verdict might be a little different. The Yamaha was made for riders of about 65-75 Kg. If you use the original springs and compare it to a bike that s made with springs for riders of 75-85Kg od course it will be uncomparable.. By the way, making a comparrison, you might also want to ride the same tires. OK, yes, the KTM has more gismos, that can also brake down, electrics are known on KTM's not to be the best, and, lets not forget the brakeproblems many people have written about.. If you go on a long trip, lets be real, simplicity and reliabilty are key.. But i like both bikes
T7 best adventure Bike EVER !!!
I like em both. I needed more range, rack and was looking for more performance. The 790 was the obvious choice for my adventure bike. I do mostly off road, long haul adventure though.
Luckily i had the chance to travel a lot with both bikes mostly off road in 2020.
Both bikes are great!
Up to my 50% t7 easier
Above my 50% 790r more fun and safer!
790r Suspension travel (~+40mm) and quality,
plus tank lower position
provide great feeling the faster you go
Price is important and t7 wins
790r though is cheap for what you get
I STRONGLY believe now that the straight
comparison is not so fair for none of these two wonderful bikes
Find time to ride
The rest are details just to discuss and spent time
I am torn on this topic, the ktms have been at the top of my list since 2005, and ive loved all of the ones 'ive owned , but the quality is going down it seems at the cost of gizmo electronics perhaps or maybe to support their Moto gp ploy? Whateva it is, do i really need all that stuff ??on an "ADVENTURE BIKE"?? the T7 Yamaha is looking pretty good from that point of view
tenere is top heavy n big no for a adv
Not really a fair test, should have tested against the non 'R' model.
KTM Made in China. That's the next NoGo beside the tank design.
KTM has way too much electronics mumbo-jumbo 🤢I can guarantee you I know which one will be breaking down on the trail first🇨🇦 We’ve had to end a couple trips due to KTM’s clutch and other various issues short😂🤣Simple simple simple Yamaha T7🙏😁At least somebody’s listening thank you Yamaha
KTMARV 1 My 950 Super Enduro R Is so simple it doesn’t even have a fuel gauge🤣😂😅🇨🇦
KTMARV 1 That’s one good thing about the electronics on bikes accurate fuel gauge.
Tenere needs a high front fender.
Have you test ridden both bikes? The KTM is actually wobbling at higher speeds on tarmac. I partly blame the high fender acting like a sail for that. Partly. The Ten wobbles slightly also. But that is the front tyre. Change it, even with the same tyre, and its gone. 'Fortnine' got the explanation for that.
i went with the ktm since configuring the t7 is ultra expensive, and even after expending a lot of money on it, it didn`t gave me the feels and confidence that the ktm gave me...
the ktm is a far better spec bike, and i know that yam is a lot better in terms of reliability but yamaha also took the cheap route on some things...
Good review. The Tenere is a bare bone adventure bike and the KTM is the better offroad machine with the obvious higher price tag. Sometimes you get what you pay for. I know which one I would buy. lol
T7 all the way ! Nothing beats reliability , simplicity that gives peace of mind ! Besides that the T7 is just beautyful!
Those floppy blinkers on the Yamaha..... lol
for extra propulsion
That is intentional....you know...so they don't break off when you look at them harshly.
It's like floppy dog ears but on the ass end.
@@bigjack5426 bruh, don’t insult the dogs like that 🤣🤣
Countershaft sprocket leaks on the KTM 790’s.... But it’ll be cover under warranty and there is also a rear brake line recall because of the shortness in the cable line, just my 2 cents since I work at a Ktm dealer, I’d go more towards the T7 because of the minimal electronic bs and Yamaha reliability
How does a sprocket leak?
He os right KTM more expensive maintenance and more faults usually. AUT craps.
@@dalecolegrove6652 The sprocket is mounted on the final drive shaft with an ‘o’ ring behind it. Don’t know about road bikes, but dirt bikes need them changing every now and then. It’s real easy to do at home and costs next to nothing.
Have over 25k on my 790 no issues. Now the 790 is a 890....you want the best bike.....easy choice.
@@Howling-Mad-Murdock The very first batch of the 390 Duke we had in India back in 2013 had the exact same problem. There was a difference in tolerances that caused the O-ring on the shaft to get sliced during assembly. As a result, every 390 Duke I saw in showrooms had a dripping front sprocket. I don't know if the 790 has the exact same problem.
Going by reputation of reliability & the fact that Adventure bikes can have you in the middle of nowhere , I think most blokes would go with the T-700 , knowing that yes the Kato will have better suspension & power .. but reliability is a huge thing, & Yamaha has it.
I’ve had my T7 for 12 months now and agree totally with your comments. I’ve done the Oodnadatta Track and had nothing but confidence with its reliability. On the other hand I have an associate who has the KTM 790 who recently had to trailer the bike back to Victoria from the NSW high country because it just decided to not start one day. The electronics on the KTM are one of its greatest features but also it’s greatest downfall. The T7 has strength in its simplicity.
Couldn’t agree more and I own KTM motorcycles. The reliability really is the only bad thing with these bikes other than that the performance is amazing.
When you accidenticaly drop your KTM in the middle of nowhere and you realise that your trottle by wire is broken OMG
Can't wait to pick up a T7 this spring
You will love it.
If you drop it it's a write off.
@@captainwin6333 I've already dropped my Tenere loads of times. It's an absolute riot of a motorcycle I love it
@@patw9175 is it a good bike?
@@antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 Hell yeah. It's like an MT07 and a supermoto had an overweight baby. It's the adv bike for squids. Love mine.
T7. Adventure motorcycles need to be able to do crush miles on the road as good as they do they trail, the Yam does that. + reliability, cost, wind protection, etc.
Use the money use saved to buy lots of Ibruprofen since you'll never be able to give your right hand a rest.
the KTM can provide that too...
@@FanOWater also, KTM is more user friendly regarding riders rest... She just want to go to the KTM dealer with that light that doesn't go off, that function that stops working, etc, etc, so the rider can rest itself... Sometimes for several days... Sometimes away from home for a well deserved vacations in some 3rd world destiny.... Now the T7 won't let you rest at all... Big disadvantage, no doubt. Plus the ibuprofen.... Bahh... (kidding)
@@fitty77 My Yamaha FJ-09 doesn't seem reliable enough to ride outside first world countries.
its simple man... Quality over Quantity.
T7 with 3 grand to spent on extras, and still to be left with some change to buy new gear... No fancy shmancy electronic, which not will be used anyways...! Great way to learn even more, as no TC steppin in... Tenere T7 all the way for me!
I’m inclined to agree with you on that. We don’t really care as much about performance as we used to we just want value for our money.
I was the owner of a 1290 Super Adv. In Brazil, it gave me electronic bugs that kept me awake, KTM here in my country is not able to remain carefree or trust the dealerships. I sold it for fear of exploding in my hand, unfortunately.
KTM AR had let me down so many times with faulty rear brake sensors, fuel tank level indicator problems and rear shock adjustment problems. Now riding the basic but awesomely built YamTen7. Nothing against KTM but this was a rush build that needed the 890 AR to put it into retirement ✌🏾
T7 will outlast the ktm so long your Grandkids will be able ride it... T7 for the win.
god damn right
For an adventure bike I hold reliability at or very near the top of my priority list
IT will outlast it until you drop it on the right side, I was out with my buddy on his 3-month-old T7, he dropped the bike and it wasn't that hard of a drop and the muffler hanger bent the rear subframe, the rear subframe is welded on the bike not bolted so the bike was totaled out, I put my money back in the bank when you can drop your bike and total it, I don't think it's for me.
@@tacjam1 this is g damn depressing news. The new cfl300 from honda is doing the same thing. I can almost understand doing it, if it save money, on street bikes that aren't ment to hit the ground but on an adventure platform its basically a given your going to drop the bike. Id rather lose some structural rigidity for the ability to unbolt and replace a subframe any day
I have owned Yamaha dirt bikes in the past as a matter of fact I used to race them. They are very nice bikes but don't believe for one minute that they don't have there problems also. Welding the sub frame to the rest of the frame is ridiculous! You don't have to fall that hard to bend a sub frame. When you do no more bike. But I guess the engine will still be running. The KTM wins hands down.
I prefer the simplicity of the T7.
Plus KTM is ugly.
I own the previous tenene xt660z.
I learned how to ride offroad with that bike, i crashed it countless times .
I change the oil every 10 thousands km.
I have 117 thousands km with it and i changed only a starter relay(€60).
The reliability of that bike is insane.
I will definitely go with the Yamaha
1. I wouldn't want to be seen dead on the KTM (it looks horrible imo)
2. The KTM has electrical stuff which in the African bush has left me stranded twice so I will go T7 as it has no electrics to cause a "limp mode" issue.
3. Yamaha looks much nicer.
4. Yamaha is Yamaha so that means for me it is reliable. Never had one engine failure or issue in my riding career on Yamahas.
$3700 buys a lot of everything else....
Ya... like a DRZ as well!
Ktm with this front light and color scheme is maybe ugliest bike ever
Without the same tires this review means nothing.
stock vs stock
I riding buddy got his T7 upgraded with rally raid 230mm suspension and it’s amazing! It’s totally transformed the bikes handling off road.
I keep daily riding my 2021 T7 and my Friend with the KTM keeps taking days off while it’s in the shop. I really feel bad for him because he spent so much and there’s no denying he got so much more power BUT he didn’t get what he paid for in reliability.
Good review, great to see more middleweight options in the Adventure motorcycle class. I chose the KTM 790 ADV R and it has been a rock-solid performing machine both on and off-road. Best bike I've owned so far and a clear choice vs. the T7 for me. The KTM electronics also include modern safety features and creature comforts for the pavement rides that get you to the trails.
I totally agree with all your comments. Fun factor alone the KTM wins hands down
When you buy yamaha or honda you got suppory from all yamaha honda dealer at Africa, indonesia, or papua. Wake up Thats how to choose adventure bike
When you speak levels of TC on the KTM I hear "can you please call somebody...oh...wait I have no net..."...I'm old school, II travel with no support team and prefer to get to my destination safe, even if a little late, so I travel in either my s10 1200 (more road biased) or, if off road, in my T7. No BS electronics to screw things up in the middle of Marrocos and having to rent a pickup to take me to the border (like I watched many times while waiting on my Tenere). Adventure in remote locations is about dependability and trustworthiness, not timed laps. Of course you can prefer that and be happy about it. KTM is a soulful machine that pumps up the bpm on your heart, but each one to its own. I never ever had a problem with my teneres (although the t7 is new, the t12 is not...) - knock on wood-. What's most important is for everybody to be safe and enjoy!
The Yamaha will still be going when the kato will be parked up and parted out
This should have been done on the same tyres.
Keep it stock on a review.
@@yaboi-km2qn makes no sense. He talks about performance on road etc... even says maybe the tyres. So he cannot really review traction and front end feel unless the tyres are the same.
If you have different tyres you get significant differences and that makes most of the review redundant.
You see most review channels putting the same tyres for exactly this reason. It removes that difference and leta you actually compare.
Man, tire's make a big difference !
On the long run I would guess you'll get more enjoyment for your buck with the Ténéré. Japanese bikes tent to last longer and already seen some KTM 790 horror which convinced me again. Besides the fact I think the Ténéré feels better in all possible ways in riding experience.
Spend 1.5k on suspension for the t7 and you still have a lot of money left compared to the ktm
Both great bikes. I've had the 790r for a bit over a year now and have had no problems other than the rear brake recall. no big deal. It's my first proper adventure bike and I love it. It doesn't look pretty but I don't see it while riding and it makes me smile. On this bike I go and keep up with my mates on 500 exc's and can head home on the black top no problems.
790 for me.
I'm surprised to read your comment about the looks. I think this KTM 790 looks fantastic! (Assuming it's the same one in this video)
Decent comparison but did you really put two bikes head to head without using a control tyre? Poor form.
ktm 790 is just a duke with off road suspension , foot pegs are mounted to engine , big no no for me
but this is 790r which is much more than modified duke ;
its first bike that really contested good old 950/990 LC8 anyway, theres nothing better ;
KTM paid them
I just couldn't get off the KTM and look back and think "that's a cool bike". I love getting of my bike, look back and get that "hell yeah" feeling. In that aspect, the Tenere wins by far. Anyway, great bikes.
well tbf they're both ugly.
hate the KTM plastic gas tanks, in person they are just ridiculous...I realize they are beneficial (until you endo), but they really detract from the looks...
The plus is You don't have to look at the KTM while your riding it
The less tech you have on adv bike the more enjoyable the ride will be. Tech makes the whole experience stressful
its all rider.. i rode with experienced 790 riders in moab and they could barely hang with me on the T7...
and if they were as competent as you, they would have dusted you? and if they rode t7s, the gap would have much, much wider? so a better rider is better on a ktm and a less skilled rider is better on a ktm?
@@damytzeus bike won't make a difference. if we talk about aggresive and real 'racing' T7 will be left behind becaus suspension will be too soft ;
@@Angry-Lynx lol I see your comments in a lot of Yamaha praising comments... Man, stop, you look like a fanboy. T7 is an amazing bike and the ktm too. BUT, in the segment reliability is key, so the T7 takes the win.
@@eliguaso22 someone just removed my response lol gotta love yt 😂
It wasnt offensive in anyway 🙄
Great review but maybe put in some metric numbers for everyone that isn't American or Burmese...
You guys do such a great job of reporting on performance from new bikes. I wish there was also a reliable source of info about what the bikes are like to live with for 5-10 years. Can’t ask for everything...
they are all same,in every language and culture,try the bike one day and ommiting percents of failure,wich is so important as how performant is the bike,nobody buy a bike to pass weeks and sometimes months waiting for a piece broken,supposed to be part of the data you supply
Yamaha's reliability history is probably the best out there. The Tenere also has less hi-tech expensive parts that will (as we all know) eventually fail. I know what the results will be in 10 years looking back................. sorry KTM.
Great vid! This was precisely the comparison that I was looking for. For me, it looks like the T7 will do the job perfectly; but, damn, that KTM is slick! 🤙
I feel like cycle world is being a ktm fanboy and was slipped some money for this video. I personally like the ktn group however if you grew up racing motorcross GNCC Hare scrambles whatever. The Yamaha is the clear choice it's a dirt bike. Just my opinion.
They revealed their KTM bias as soon as judging T7 performance on tyres. Everyone changes their tyres.
Cycle World: The KTM 790 Adventure R is slightly better than the T7 in everyway.... you just have to pay $3700 More
Comments: Can't wait to buy my T7.
Take note bike manufacturers, We want less tech more vroom.
Why not compare the T7 to the regular, non-R, KTM 790? Makes more sense pricewise, doesn’t it?
No because the R is for off road
ManAndMachine thank you, that is a short answer. Both 790 Adventure bikes are made for all-road travels though, just like the Yamaha T7. You can’t really say the ‘normal’ 790 Adventure wasn’t for off road, can you? By the way: I am quite sure Yamaha will come with a better equipped T7 in the future as well. Would be nice to see you do this test again then!
I’d prefer the T7 over a Chinese made ktm.
Which ktm is made in China?? None. A Chinese company has licensed the use of a ktm motor in their own bike. Some smaller KTMs are made in India. The 790/890/1090/1190/1290/990/950 are/were all made in Austria.
@@Advcrazy all of them euro made garbage
everything is made in china now
Yamaha's 50 year history of stone-ax reliability and high perfomance superiority would naturly weigh large in my choice. Also, I prefer the road bias; if I want off-road bias I'd go for a lighter more off-road competant Dual Sport.🤓
KTM, in 20 more years, may have established a suitable reputation, but by then Yamaha will still be 50 years ahead!😎
Of course, the real deal breaker for the KTM is the uglier than anything I've ever seen on two - wheels orange paint scene. I'll just have to stick with Triumph, Yamaha and Suzuki unless and until KTM runs out of orange paint.😡
That orange is pretty terrible. They really should offer other paint schemes.
With better tires mounted, the better suspension, motor and brakes of the 790R would allow it to smoke the Tenere on the street. The Karoo 3's were not confidence inspiring in the corners. Looks are subjective. Cheers.
@@FanOWater first part of your comm makes 0 sense
@@Angry-Lynx The Karoo 3's are not as good a street tire as the Pirelli Scorpion.
790, what a pig. No thanks.
KTM will spend more time in the garage than out on the road
@KTMARV 1 Nah not really, just a joke. I've got about 25k miles on Duke 125 and 390 and loved every second of it. I miss them every day, despite being let down by them a few times!
@KTMARV 1 vfr800. Suits me as an all weather all year bike, though I'm keeping my options open for what's next
@KTMARV 1 like you said, its life changing. I sold my car and haven't looked back since. Doesn't matter what what weather is like, always smiling.
@KTMARV 1 that sucks, its pretty mild and wet here so the name of the game is GORETEX
Nice comparison, thx for sharing. One point you never mentioned is how bad the KTM engine is behaving in lower revs, it is running rough and indignant, requires to downshift where the Yamaha is just pulling smooth through the rev range. The Kato is racier and wants to be revved then the engine shines. I found my self unconcentrated and permanently switching between modes and traction control stages. When the Kato begins to be better in off road terrain my skills have ended and I found the Yamaha more than enough capable for what I ride. Finally the KTM is so ugly that I decided in favour of the T700. I wonder why KTM still uses such a hard to clean swing arm that looks like if they forgot to finish it in the factory.
The Yamaha's wobbly instrument cluster is a pain and also the bracket for the exhaust can is much less than ideal as it is welded to the subframe which is welded to the main frame. The brakes are not as good as those of the Kato but finally I saved so much money that all this doesn't really count and on roads I felt the Yamaha being a lot better though its engine has a bunch less horses.
Somewhat exactly my thoughts & words! Very well said! That´s it! I´ve done 12K kms, autumn 2019 til autumn 2020! Did TET/ADV Italy, Croatia, highway inbetween: what a joy to ride!
True
I am trying to maintain mid to high rev while riding ktm 790. around 4k to 6k, engine torque is pretty constant.
@KTMARV 1 how a bike looks is arguably just as important as how it performs to me. Both come behind reliability tho imo, no one wants a bike that you can’t push for fear of needing to repair it
Man, nice bikes, but I bought the new KLR, way less cheese !
Great review! Been loving my 790 on & off road!
Well, keep your KTM. Yamaha beats KTM in reliability. Specially now with KTM being made in India. Plus, for someone like me planning a Trip through Central and South America, I’ll take the Yamaha anytime. If both bikes break down in some small town in the middle of a third world country, good luck finding a mechanic who has the know how and specialized tools to work on the KTM complex electronics. Not to mention the price of replacing those components. Oh, and good luck finding a KTM dealer in some countries.
In that respect, and from the perspective that I can take those extra few thousand bucks for the KTM and equip my T7 nicely, the T7 is the clear winner in my book.
I hope and pray that Yamaha does NOT take the BS route of traction control and all the other electronic BS. Other than EFI and ABS, nothing else is needed. Just man (in my caee woman) and machine testing and improving one’s skills.
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pl there won't know how to do t7. there not the right bike for there
Friendly reminder that in 3 years when all the electronic gizmos on the KTM shit the bed, the yamaha will still be operating just as good as it was the day you bought it.....
I like the T7, but your statement that the electronics will fail within 3 years on the KTM doesn't match my experience at all. Buy the bike you want, but don't knock the other bike unless you have personal experience to back up your beliefs.
@@hungwasson1399 fair enough...I hear you. That being said, electronics on mechanical devices in general tend to be failing points. It’s just additional complicated systems that don’t tend to last for the long haul. Keep shit simple and mechanical and it’s easily repaired and generally reliable. Computer systems on new cars glitch and fail all the time and require regular updating etc. Maybe I’m just old school, but all the electrical nannies seem like unnecessary items that up the “wow” factor and price but do little to add any actual value. Again, just my .02
@@pbourdon231 Had BMW and KTM with a bulk of electronics for about 8 years now, never an issue. On the other hand, my girlfriends T7 has it exhaust falling a part and a waterpump issue, all within a years time. Also have a 990 adventure, which I ride most, no electronics, no nothing, 9 years old and only replaced the fuel pump once. So I'm not bashing anything but my experience is very different. Every manufacturer has its Monday morning models.
@@pbourdon231 like in cars , ABS, blind spot detection, selfparking ,obstical detection, brake assist , maybe just learn how to drive :))
@@marcelfacd thats the thing no electronics those 990s are gorgeous bikes and sound amazing, kills me that they were discontinued To me reliability and simplicity go hand and hand, i have a DR and ive done everything but shoot at it. But looking for something with a little more oomph and comfort long haul but still can hold up to some disrespect. At the bare minimum yamaha is just more common. Probably doesnt amount to much these days, they are making things so fancy you cant fix anything anymore.
Lol KTM = Ready To Repair
🤣 !! And I own one.... 😏
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@@randersson3672 me too and totally agree :))
Killin' time and money
I have a KTM supermoto and its been fine. But I would not trust KTM for a long adventure into the desert. Reliability is most important with this category of bike.
KTM reliability can touch Yamaha’s. Look how long it took them to break into the US motocross and Supercross Arenas. There is no doubt that KTM makes good motors, but like a lot of the European cars the reliability isn’t there. Don’t get me wrong it’s improved, however comparatively speaking it’s still on the very low end. Yes riders that have lots of sponsors and a lot of money can afford to run one and fix it all the time but for us average guys they are a headache. The funny thing is all the fancy features they noted on the KTM as great would make me even more leery about purchasing it. With the extra 3000+ dollars you could easily dial in the Yamaha suspension and brakes, Plus have a ton of money left over to go on it adventure!
Justin this review is very 2019 when everyone and their dog tested the T7 using standard suspension and compared it to the 790 R without consideration that the T7 is too softly sprung for American/Australian/Euro riders. Set up that way is not going to reveal what the T7 can do for most riders when they tune their suspension correctly. Fitting the right springs for a few hundred dollars and setting the preload and damping for your weight makes a tremendous difference.
If you really want to do this comparison in a way that riders will relate to in 2021, then correctly configure the suspension for your weight on both bikes and retest. You should also fit the same tires and my recommendation would be the Shinko 216 MX front and rear, because these are dirt oriented adv bikes, and these tires will reveal what the bikes are capable of. If you really wanted to be thorough though, then perhaps also test using the same 50/50 tires on both bikes.
@Justin Dawes That was my point Justin, stock vs stock might be something you do when its new. Its now "the future".
The price difference should be considered here. These bikes are in different price brackets and not even worthy of comparison in stock form. But a modified T7 against the KTM 790 R is a much more equal fight, and the T7 would still be cheaper.
fair comparison, but you forgot mentioning RELIABILITY
Yamaha ❤️❤️❤️
40% more expensive the KTM. Is it 40% better? Never! So, buy T7! I did ;-)
Jeez! hard to find any objective reasoning in the comment section lol. It’s funny because you have the Yamaha fans screaming about reliability to anybody that will listen, and you have the Ktm fans that never had a problem with their bikes. I am of the position that if reliability was priority; I would never buy Ducati motorcycles lol, although I honestly never had a problem with mines, but if I did, that would be okay lol. If you can only afford a Tenere, that’s fine, but I personally won’t buy one. I am either getting the Ducati X or the Norden 901 whom are both more exciting and way better looking than the Tenere. I can’t understand buying motorcycle solely for reliability reasons, it’s a toy! It’s suppose to be fun, good looking, and make your neighbor jealous lol.
Dam what a skill set , i didn't think it was possible to make 2 decent bikes sound so god dam boring .
The Yamaha for all day every day usage and over landing to remote area’s. The KTM for that unwipable grin on your face, showing off and riding like a hooligan.
Ask Bret Tacks about the KTM quality.....
terrible forward leaning foot pegs on the ktm crap. and you just know the t7 will last forever. ill get a t7 one day :D for now ill stick to my xt600 :D
I think you have confused the 390 with the 790. Footpegs do not lean forward. AND always keep that XT600!!
There is no way in hell you can compare the offroad handling running different tires! This is a complete fail review!👎👎👎👎👎
No electronics am sold. T7 takes you to real riding days in an era ruled by electronics.
These are very different bikes overall. 70% of people should go for the Tenere as they won't get use of the sportier KTM which is much more designed for fast off-road use.
How much did KTM pay for this review? Well times are tough, even Cycle World has had to lower the amount by which they can be bought. I hope it was worth it. There is so much to talk about regarding the raised counter shaft on the Yamaha and how it effects rear wheel traction and suspension. It is really a bold innovative move. Did KTM demand that you not discuss it? I thought so.
ktm is better
@@gbner9991 You're 100% right but magazines should (wait what the fuck s a fort nine. A fort nine video) encourage bold attempts of innovation. So what if it still falls way short of the KTM 790. There are huge gains to be had by testing the Yamaha's rear suspension. It's the beginning of what could turn out to be a great idea.
I love the t7, and I’m gonna get one soon. But regardless of your verdict, I do appreciate succinct, objective comparison of the two. Cheers!
Why no one talks about the recall in service in rewiu and the manufacturing defects of the models.
Everyone knows the specifications
how many times you take on off-road "Aggressively" on a adventure bike? You should never ever do that - especially you are on a long range adventure trip.
unless you are young and stupid
KTM and it’s warranty are Dog Shit, Stick with the Yamaha 👍🇯🇵
Made in China is a KTM killer for me
Just bought my Tenre. Buying bunch of after market parts to go on when it’s being built!
Max torque muffler actually gave me more torque and power, and dumped 10 lbs... I can feel it....Get it!
For Yamaha value you can upgrade suspension buy extra travel equipment and you still will have some money for gasoline. T7 is cheaper even if you are worry about maintenance. This is simple calculation. If Yamaha will upgrade fuel tank for at least 18L and give some extra HP it will be great bike for travellers.