I’ll be driving 2 hours to their Wilmington DE location next spring ! Can’t wait. Club Champion is a no bueno after getting fitted for irons that weren’t good for me
@@rob.b3293 they took their time. The issue was the fitter. He and I were blown away by the extra distance the ‘19 Apex Pro Forged irons were giving me (7 iron and 5 iron) and he didn’t pay attention to the ball runout after landing. I was only spinning my 7 iron in the mid 4,000’s with a height of only 75 ft.
Very helpful info. I just got fit into the JPX 921 Forged, and my fitter adjusted the lie angle to be more upright. Made a huge difference for me. That feel is really outstanding. Maybe us hackers would appreciate seeing Drew take some swings with some of these irons to see how they work in the hands of someone closer to our ability level! Keep up the great work, guys. #LetDrewCook
Great review. You mentioned twice that if you like the Mizuno, to get the lie angle checked. If you go for any fitting, you need to get the lie angle checked, no matter which manufacture you go with. Titleist, which generally has the most upright lie angles for irons, can get hooky for me. Mizuno irons are good for me. Doesn’t mean I can only buy Mizuno irons. ⛳️🏌🏽♂️
I have no need to change from my i210s but for some reason I really like the look of the X Forged CB. I may not have the game for it but I would love to try them. I have tried the P770s and they are so easy to hit. The P770s gave me a little more distance than my i210s but at the cost of a bit less spin - I would need to spend several rounds before I could tell whether the trade off was worth it
Perhaps you could consider when comparing similar irons you can bend the lie and loft to identical specs and best suited to Thomas to take out as many variables as possible. TXG often does this.
Great reviews as always, but not sure there are many out there with swing speeds in Thomas’ range…wish you did more reviews with folks who hit the ball squarely, but have slower swing speeds (driver 95-100)….
Greetings Thomas I was wondering why the Mizuno JPX 921 Pro uses a Project X LZ 5.5 (heavier) as a standard shaft. And the Mizuno JPX 921 Forged uses a project X IO 5.5 (lighter) as a standard shaft. I thought that the 921 Forged was more of a players club and that Mizuno would have used the LZ (heavier) in the Forged Iron and the IO in the Pro iron... Could you explain why Mizuno used each of these shafts in the Heads in the JPX 921 irons. Both of these irons are still available as new clubs in a few places.
Thanks for watching Greg! We just filmed a video on our favorite players cavity irons of 2020. Models from Cobra (KING Tour MIM), PING, Titleist, Callaway, TaylorMade, Srixon, Mizuno all in the test.
1.45 smash from a 7i is insane. Do we really want that high of effeciency? What happens when I have this much smash but no spin because I caught a bit of a flier from the rough... Is that a concern at all?
bigger game improvement irons where they push mass out to the toe for forgiveness also causes more shaft droop than you will see compared to a more balanced club say more blade like. probably applies to moveable weights in drivers if you stick them out on the toe..
Excellent comparison. Exactly the two clubs I'm choosing between in the 921 forged and p770s, so thank you very much. After a side by side comparison would you say 921 is a bit more forgiving? I was shocked how close p770 was In distance but the explanation of dynamic loft really makes sense out of it. Unfortunately I don't have the strike consistency Thomas has lol, miss hits is where I could use some slack and from what I gather 921 forged offers more forgiveness in that area but i would greatly appreciate your opinion. Thanks.
@@bl6369 i like them pretty darn well. I had z 6.0 in them originally but am playing modus 130s currently. Neither seam to be the goldilocks shaft though.
@@mikemaupin8364 that was my biggest issue was shaft. I was fit projectX 6.0 but Didn't love the feel and ended up going with the KBS Tours 120. They feel really good to me. Ive learned these shafts don't work well when I absolutely go after it, so I try to just swing my stock swing. Which after all is probably me just putting a better swing on it that way. Good luck!
I've seen plenty of reviews of club testing and this must be the first I've ever seen where a swing speed of 88mph carry a 7 iron 190+ yards. Something doesn't seem right 🤔
Probably too late for anyone to see this but 100% agree. Was testing the jpx and 770 on trackman today. My swing speed was 89-93 and was getting roughly 97% efficiency on average with the good shots. It wasn't going any further than 182 and most were in the 170s, although that was after a full round and range session prior to the trackman test. That said, I was fresh yesterday and tested the 770 on the range with my prgr launch monitor and was swinging 94-98 using a 7 iron and according to my monitor it was going in the 180s and 192 with best/luckiest power draw compared to my old tp9s that go 170. Either they have wind or altitude turned way up to boost their numbers because 200 yards is not possible at 90mph lol
I was fitted for the jpx forged recently and smash factors were in the 1.4x all the way. I only swing like 83.x mph, and achieved distances of 170ish yards. With the 34degree AP2 titleist i was a full 10 yards shorter. I think the nunbers are Spot on, of what a Trackman normalised will Show.
Great job guys as usual !! Killer swing amazing smash factor for an iron really impressive !! Guys iam gaming not that you care but lol p790 6 iron,p770 7,8 iron and p7 MB 9,PW unbelievable how you can mix and match your weakness and strengths !! Idk iam a 17 HC but I love the smaller iron head I feel it's easier to make better contact idk wierd I guess but I must say the P770 are amazing and the P 7MB are even better but don't be looking for distance with those lower irons I feel there for scoring !!! Thanks again guys ,,, I've been playing for two years now and soon I'll fit into this set perfectly I know I will !!! Stay safe
Great content guys. Well done. Still waiting on my 770’s to arrive I had similar number. 89 91 mph distance was only 175 180 ish. Taylormade fit me with the kbs c taper 120 s. I’m getting them soft steeped after watching lots of UA-cam videos on the shafts.
@@winston9971 Man that sucks beat up golf balls. When is spring there June? Lol. Sorry man. I’m in West Texas. Play all year round for the most part. What was the cost of clubs and fitting if you don’t mined me asking?
@@rob.b3293 your so luck to be able to play all year. We can play late may if we get lucky. Fitting at taylormade was $120 and the clubs were 2200. But I bought the 3iron as well that was an extra 300.
Thanks for watching! Yes, X-Forged CB would fall more into the players cavity category with the models you mentioned. We've had a lot of comments asking for our thoughts on how these models compare so we thought we would do a video on them.
Wow I must be leaving a lot of distance on the table eh? My average 7-iron club head speed is 88mph, my average carry distance is around 158 yards. This guy is 89-90mph yet he carries it 190 - 200 yards. Does Cameron Champ even carry his 7-iron that far?
I've seen nearly 30 yards difference between a fully forged blade type head and a P790 type distance iron for the same swingspeed. lofts and face construction help a lot!
You are obviously delivering more dynamic loft into the ball. As an example, I play a 32 degree Mizuno 7-iron, and with 84-85mph swing speed, my carry is 173 yards with peak heights of 100-105 feet and with spin of 5800 indoors off mats. I would recommend you consider a few lessons because your swing speed has a lot more distance potential if you can improve your delivery. Cameron, DJ, and Bryson use 35-degree 7-irons, and have 200-yard, stock swing, carry distances
@@wallstreetoneil Thanks that is a good point! I just checked my Trackman data, on my best shot that day, I had 88.4mph club, 120.1 ball, 162.6 carry, dynamic loft 23.2, peak height 98 feet, spin rate 7445rpm, attack angle -5.5, spin loft 29.5. What do you see here that could explain the shorter distances? (Spin looks a touch on the high side)
@@docomo661 So basically, you have zero forward shaft-lean at impact. With about 98% certainty, like most amateur golfers, you have a very open club-face coming into impact because you are too late from the top of the downswing to square the face of the club to your spine angle (you need to put more twist into the grip at the very first moments of the downswing). Being a person who is likely practicing your golf, you have learned to NOT drive the handle forward (average on tour is 15 degrees forward shaft lean at impact with irons) because if you did, you would be hitting massive slices - so you have learned to basically stop your hands and allow the club to square very late and 'flip' into impact thus not compressing the ball with de-loft / forward shaft lean. So, even though you have natural speed, you are not remotely able to efficiently hit your 33-35 degree 7 iron with a launch angle below 20 degrees and get that 185-yard carry because you aren't squaring the face early and thus able to additionally drive the handle forward into impact. Eric Cogorno (PGA teacher) has lots of amazing videos on his youtube channel about getting the clubface square to your back - check out his channel and watch about 100 of his videos - start with this and then watch all his stuff - ua-cam.com/video/lk8YHElvmxs/v-deo.html
I play 1 to 2 inches long with my irons what is the lightest best iron heads that are made I heard some companies make a B model that is lighter than a normal head is that true?
You're right, P770 isn't a true CB iron. But it does play the most like a players CB iron vs a players-distance iron, so we've been grouping it in with them. It's also been super popular in fittings so we wanted to include it here.
@@zainhoosen4659 I understand the formula for smash factor is ball speed divided club speed. That is not my issue. My issue is that the maximum smash factor, as limited by the USGA, for any club is 1.50. The vast majority of people don’t get close to a smash factor of 1.50 with their driver, let alone a 7-iron. I would say its impossible to achieve a smash factor of 1.48 with a 7-iron. There is something wrong with this data. Either the club speed or ball speed measurements are wrong.
@@RyanHowrish Thanks for watching! This is Thomas I have created a video to explain smash factor and why my smash factor numbers with a 7iron are over the 1.4 mark. It comes down to how I compress the ball, (attack angle, dynamic loft, and spin loft) I found a way to hit it far as a little guy and can tell you these numbers are accurate due to the way I swing the club. Stay turned we are working on getting this video published very soon.
@Thomas Campbell in just surprised. I found the JPX 921 tours arrow straight down to 6 iron. Beyond that I found the 921 forged a little more accurate probably because I was finding it harder to reliably find the centre.
Thanks for watching! Use the smash factor equation to help. Smash factor = ball speed / club speed. PGA Tour average is 1.38. 1.38 x 82 = 113 I would say a range between 110-115 if your hitting it solid.
I'm lost on your smash factor. I have the same ballspeed and I swing close to 95-98MPH on GC Quad. According to Trackman, A good smash factor on a 7 is 1.33 and you are 1.47. So that tells me its not reading your club head speed correctly. Also, according to trackman, PGA tour average is 90MPH swing speed and 120Ballspeed for a 7, so there is no way you are at 129 ballspeed with an 89 MPH swing speed.
Hi Dave, This is Thomas Campbell. This is a great question and one I can answer. First GC Quad and Trackman track the club speed differently and what is usually found is TrackMan's club speed is tracked slower than GCQuad. What both units do track basically identically is ball speed. because TrackMan reads the club speed slower the smash factor will be higher. Tour Average Smash factor is 1.38. Keep in mind most tour player play blades, their 7 iron loft is about 35*. In this test we were testing clubs that have less loft. Less loft = more ball speed which is why my ball speed pushes 129mph with irons that have less loft on them. Also keep in mind 1.38 is tour average if a player delivers the club with less dynamic loft that number will be higher. The same can be said when comparing drivers on TrackMan and GCQuad because GC Quad usually shows a higher club speed the smash factor usually tops out around 1.45 while TrackMan can push 1.50 Focus more on ball speed when testing clubs rather than smash factor!
@@2ndswing I will have to test on trackman myself to see what the numbers show. Your explanation makes some sense, but I still think your club head speed sounds low for that ballspeed.
@@marcuscaple7955 if you strike the ball normally well I can tell you it’s the best feeling club that I have tried. I sacrifice a little distance but you can’t beat the feel. No regrets. Plus they do look sexy.
Thanks for watching! You are correct smash factor of 1.45 is higher than pros. Pros 7i loft are 35* these irons are 31-33* Less loft = higher smash factor
@@2ndswing yeah, doesn’t float. There are multiple shots where y’all say there was a mis-hit, and the smash was STILL over 1.45..... Trackman is trash indoors anyway, and if I remember correctly, smash, indoors, is one of the many readings that Trackman cannot track accurately.
One of the best review channels on UA-cam. Love these guys. Makes me want to drive 12 hours just to get fitted. 👍🏾
Thanks for the kind comment!
I’ll be driving 2 hours to their Wilmington DE location next spring ! Can’t wait. Club Champion is a no bueno after getting fitted for irons that weren’t good for me
@@stephendibari5010 What happened? Did they not take the time or just didn’t know what they were doing?
@@rob.b3293 they took their time. The issue was the fitter. He and I were blown away by the extra distance the ‘19 Apex Pro Forged irons were giving me (7 iron and 5 iron) and he didn’t pay attention to the ball runout after landing. I was only spinning my 7 iron in the mid 4,000’s with a height of only 75 ft.
InstaBlaster.
It would be interesting to see you change the lie angle of the Mizuno and see if your draw comes back.
Very helpful info. I just got fit into the JPX 921 Forged, and my fitter adjusted the lie angle to be more upright. Made a huge difference for me. That feel is really outstanding. Maybe us hackers would appreciate seeing Drew take some swings with some of these irons to see how they work in the hands of someone closer to our ability level! Keep up the great work, guys. #LetDrewCook
Great review. You mentioned twice that if you like the Mizuno, to get the lie angle checked. If you go for any fitting, you need to get the lie angle checked, no matter which manufacture you go with. Titleist, which generally has the most upright lie angles for irons, can get hooky for me. Mizuno irons are good for me. Doesn’t mean I can only buy Mizuno irons. ⛳️🏌🏽♂️
Correct, getting the lie angle checked is important for any iron set! Good call
Great vlog boys. Love my p770 won my last 2 comps with them. 40 points 18 holes. 34 points 14 holes. 👍🏼👍🏼
I have no need to change from my i210s but for some reason I really like the look of the X Forged CB. I may not have the game for it but I would love to try them. I have tried the P770s and they are so easy to hit. The P770s gave me a little more distance than my i210s but at the cost of a bit less spin - I would need to spend several rounds before I could tell whether the trade off was worth it
@MeandMyStaffy 🤣I guess that is why they are the most played Ping iron on tour, those guys really need every bit of help they can get!!
Perhaps you could consider when comparing similar irons you can bend the lie and loft to identical specs and best suited to Thomas to take out as many variables as possible. TXG often does this.
Great reviews as always, but not sure there are many out there with swing speeds in Thomas’ range…wish you did more reviews with folks who hit the ball squarely, but have slower swing speeds (driver 95-100)….
Greetings Thomas I was wondering why the Mizuno JPX 921 Pro uses a Project X LZ 5.5 (heavier) as a standard shaft. And the Mizuno JPX 921 Forged uses a project X IO 5.5 (lighter) as a standard shaft. I thought that the 921 Forged was more of a players club and that Mizuno would have used the LZ (heavier) in the Forged Iron and the IO in the Pro iron... Could you explain why Mizuno used each of these shafts in the Heads in the JPX 921 irons. Both of these irons are still available as new clubs in a few places.
Great series idea. Love to see new King Tours mins, Ping, Titliest etc...
Thanks for watching Greg! We just filmed a video on our favorite players cavity irons of 2020. Models from Cobra (KING Tour MIM), PING, Titleist, Callaway, TaylorMade, Srixon, Mizuno all in the test.
Yeah the Cobra King Tour would be ideal comparison here. Same 33* loft as the Callaway and TM
1.45 smash from a 7i is insane. Do we really want that high of effeciency? What happens when I have this much smash but no spin because I caught a bit of a flier from the rough... Is that a concern at all?
Great video, if only we had 2nd swing custom fit in the UK
Great video again guys!! And greetings from Alexandra, Central Otago, New Zealand.
bigger game improvement irons where they push mass out to the toe for forgiveness also causes more shaft droop than you will see compared to a more balanced club say more blade like. probably applies to moveable weights in drivers if you stick them out on the toe..
Hello!! Dou you think that the callaway X CB forged are a good set of irons for a 8 o 10 handicap player?? Thanks for your answer.
Excellent comparison. Exactly the two clubs I'm choosing between in the 921 forged and p770s, so thank you very much. After a side by side comparison would you say 921 is a bit more forgiving? I was shocked how close p770 was In distance but the explanation of dynamic loft really makes sense out of it. Unfortunately I don't have the strike consistency Thomas has lol, miss hits is where I could use some slack and from what I gather 921 forged offers more forgiveness in that area but i would greatly appreciate your opinion. Thanks.
Curious what irons did you end up with?
@@bl6369 770s
@@mikemaupin8364 ha very nice..best clubs out there imo
@@bl6369 i like them pretty darn well. I had z 6.0 in them originally but am playing modus 130s currently. Neither seam to be the goldilocks shaft though.
@@mikemaupin8364 that was my biggest issue was shaft. I was fit projectX 6.0 but Didn't love the feel and ended up going with the KBS Tours 120. They feel really good to me. Ive learned these shafts don't work well when I absolutely go after it, so I try to just swing my stock swing. Which after all is probably me just putting a better swing on it that way. Good luck!
Great vid. Look forward to seeing more of your comparisons.
Thanks for watching! And always comment if you have a specific club comparison you would like to see.
I've seen plenty of reviews of club testing and this must be the first I've ever seen where a swing speed of 88mph carry a 7 iron 190+ yards. Something doesn't seem right 🤔
My man. You are spot on. It’s because they are showing a smash factor of 1.45 which isn’t possible with an iron
@Thomas Campbell 7i smash factors that exceed the tour average defy reality. What they are showing is impossible.
They must have the altitude set at a really high levels for those distances
Probably too late for anyone to see this but 100% agree. Was testing the jpx and 770 on trackman today. My swing speed was 89-93 and was getting roughly 97% efficiency on average with the good shots. It wasn't going any further than 182 and most were in the 170s, although that was after a full round and range session prior to the trackman test.
That said, I was fresh yesterday and tested the 770 on the range with my prgr launch monitor and was swinging 94-98 using a 7 iron and according to my monitor it was going in the 180s and 192 with best/luckiest power draw compared to my old tp9s that go 170.
Either they have wind or altitude turned way up to boost their numbers because 200 yards is not possible at 90mph lol
I was fitted for the jpx forged recently and smash factors were in the 1.4x all the way. I only swing like 83.x mph, and achieved distances of 170ish yards. With the 34degree AP2 titleist i was a full 10 yards shorter. I think the nunbers are Spot on, of what a Trackman normalised will Show.
Great job guys as usual !! Killer swing amazing smash factor for an iron really impressive !! Guys iam gaming not that you care but lol p790 6 iron,p770 7,8 iron and p7 MB 9,PW unbelievable how you can mix and match your weakness and strengths !! Idk iam a 17 HC but I love the smaller iron head I feel it's easier to make better contact idk wierd I guess but I must say the P770 are amazing and the P 7MB are even better but don't be looking for distance with those lower irons I feel there for scoring !!! Thanks again guys ,,, I've been playing for two years now and soon I'll fit into this set perfectly I know I will !!! Stay safe
Great comparison. Drew similar conclusions myself while testing these irons👍
Thanks for watching!
Great content guys. Well done. Still waiting on my 770’s to arrive I had similar number. 89 91 mph distance was only 175 180 ish.
Taylormade fit me with the kbs c taper 120 s. I’m getting them soft steeped after watching lots of UA-cam videos on the shafts.
Get the clubs in yet?
@@rob.b3293 not yet Taylormade said end of November early December. Which means I won’t be using then until next spring 🇨🇦
@@winston9971 Man that sucks beat up golf balls. When is spring there June? Lol. Sorry man. I’m in West Texas. Play all year round for the most part. What was the cost of clubs and fitting if you don’t mined me asking?
@@rob.b3293 your so luck to be able to play all year. We can play late may if we get lucky. Fitting at taylormade was $120 and the clubs were 2200. But I bought the 3iron as well that was an extra 300.
@@winston9971 300 for one club? Goodness that’s not cheap but I still want them.
XFORGE is more comparable to mizuno MMC, Taylormade 7MC
Thanks for watching! Yes, X-Forged CB would fall more into the players cavity category with the models you mentioned. We've had a lot of comments asking for our thoughts on how these models compare so we thought we would do a video on them.
Stay tuned we have a video coming very soon that compares those 3 models and our other top cavity back irons in 2020
Wow I must be leaving a lot of distance on the table eh? My average 7-iron club head speed is 88mph, my average carry distance is around 158 yards. This guy is 89-90mph yet he carries it 190 - 200 yards. Does Cameron Champ even carry his 7-iron that far?
I've seen nearly 30 yards difference between a fully forged blade type head and a P790 type distance iron for the same swingspeed. lofts and face construction help a lot!
You are obviously delivering more dynamic loft into the ball. As an example, I play a 32 degree Mizuno 7-iron, and with 84-85mph swing speed, my carry is 173 yards with peak heights of 100-105 feet and with spin of 5800 indoors off mats. I would recommend you consider a few lessons because your swing speed has a lot more distance potential if you can improve your delivery. Cameron, DJ, and Bryson use 35-degree 7-irons, and have 200-yard, stock swing, carry distances
@@wallstreetoneil Thanks that is a good point! I just checked my Trackman data, on my best shot that day, I had 88.4mph club, 120.1 ball, 162.6 carry, dynamic loft 23.2, peak height 98 feet, spin rate 7445rpm, attack angle -5.5, spin loft 29.5. What do you see here that could explain the shorter distances? (Spin looks a touch on the high side)
@@docomo661 So basically, you have zero forward shaft-lean at impact. With about 98% certainty, like most amateur golfers, you have a very open club-face coming into impact because you are too late from the top of the downswing to square the face of the club to your spine angle (you need to put more twist into the grip at the very first moments of the downswing). Being a person who is likely practicing your golf, you have learned to NOT drive the handle forward (average on tour is 15 degrees forward shaft lean at impact with irons) because if you did, you would be hitting massive slices - so you have learned to basically stop your hands and allow the club to square very late and 'flip' into impact thus not compressing the ball with de-loft / forward shaft lean. So, even though you have natural speed, you are not remotely able to efficiently hit your 33-35 degree 7 iron with a launch angle below 20 degrees and get that 185-yard carry because you aren't squaring the face early and thus able to additionally drive the handle forward into impact. Eric Cogorno (PGA teacher) has lots of amazing videos on his youtube channel about getting the clubface square to your back - check out his channel and watch about 100 of his videos - start with this and then watch all his stuff - ua-cam.com/video/lk8YHElvmxs/v-deo.html
I play 1 to 2 inches long with my irons what is the lightest best iron heads that are made I heard some companies make a B model that is lighter than a normal head is that true?
Great review guys of 3 very nice irons. Thanks
But the P770 is a hollow iron. Not Quitos fair to compair that against normal CB irons! Or am I wrong?
You're right, P770 isn't a true CB iron. But it does play the most like a players CB iron vs a players-distance iron, so we've been grouping it in with them. It's also been super popular in fittings so we wanted to include it here.
Was the swing weight a little lighter with a tailormaid?
I would like to see the club fitted to the player at least lie angle and the same shaft
PGA smash factor averages for a 34* 7 iron is 1.33 and for a 30* 6i is 1.37. 1.48 for a 7i is unheard of, you must be approaching 1.6 for a 3 iron
Drew- let’s see p770 vs your i210?
There is no way the smash factor for a 7i is 1.46-1.48. Am I missing something?
@@zainhoosen4659 I understand the formula for smash factor is ball speed divided club speed. That is not my issue. My issue is that the maximum smash factor, as limited by the USGA, for any club is 1.50. The vast majority of people don’t get close to a smash factor of 1.50 with their driver, let alone a 7-iron. I would say its impossible to achieve a smash factor of 1.48 with a 7-iron. There is something wrong with this data. Either the club speed or ball speed measurements are wrong.
@@RyanHowrish Thanks for watching! This is Thomas I have created a video to explain smash factor and why my smash factor numbers with a 7iron are over the 1.4 mark. It comes down to how I compress the ball, (attack angle, dynamic loft, and spin loft) I found a way to hit it far as a little guy and can tell you these numbers are accurate due to the way I swing the club. Stay turned we are working on getting this video published very soon.
@@2ndswing Hi Thomas. I’m very intrigued and I hope there are subsequent instructional videos to help other golfers become this efficient.
Hello friend.. how much this set iron.. send me price please
You seemed to be putting a different swing on it with the Mizuno. Just wondering why that was?
@Thomas Campbell in just surprised. I found the JPX 921 tours arrow straight down to 6 iron. Beyond that I found the 921 forged a little more accurate probably because I was finding it harder to reliably find the centre.
Great video guys.
Thanks for watching!
May I ask what a good ball speed would be for a 31 deg 7 iron at 82 mph
Thanks for watching! Use the smash factor equation to help. Smash factor = ball speed / club speed. PGA Tour average is 1.38. 1.38 x 82 = 113 I would say a range between 110-115 if your hitting it solid.
T100-S gets no respect 😄. I think they went backwards in the looks of the X Forged. I used to think they were the best looking clubs out there.
Srixon?
I'm lost on your smash factor. I have the same ballspeed and I swing close to 95-98MPH on GC Quad. According to Trackman, A good smash factor on a 7 is 1.33 and you are 1.47. So that tells me its not reading your club head speed correctly. Also, according to trackman, PGA tour average is 90MPH swing speed and 120Ballspeed for a 7, so there is no way you are at 129 ballspeed with an 89 MPH swing speed.
Hi Dave, This is Thomas Campbell. This is a great question and one I can answer. First GC Quad and Trackman track the club speed differently and what is usually found is TrackMan's club speed is tracked slower than GCQuad. What both units do track basically identically is ball speed. because TrackMan reads the club speed slower the smash factor will be higher. Tour Average Smash factor is 1.38. Keep in mind most tour player play blades, their 7 iron loft is about 35*. In this test we were testing clubs that have less loft. Less loft = more ball speed which is why my ball speed pushes 129mph with irons that have less loft on them. Also keep in mind 1.38 is tour average if a player delivers the club with less dynamic loft that number will be higher. The same can be said when comparing drivers on TrackMan and GCQuad because GC Quad usually shows a higher club speed the smash factor usually tops out around 1.45 while TrackMan can push 1.50 Focus more on ball speed when testing clubs rather than smash factor!
@@2ndswing I will have to test on trackman myself to see what the numbers show. Your explanation makes some sense, but I still think your club head speed sounds low for that ballspeed.
Haters everywhere
@@rob.b3293 grow up
Hi Thomas, thank you for your answer. I was surprised of the difference in smash factors between GC Quad and Trackman, but you explained it.
1.48 and 1.46 on a miss hit??????? What’s up with the Trackman???
Come in guys it’s not possible to have 1.45 smash factor with an iron
Such a nice swing 😍
Great episode! I’m a p770 guy but am always looking for the next best thing. #bigboypantsgolf
Thanks for watching. Just took a look at your channel looks like you have a lot of interesting golf content, keep up the good work. - Thomas
Ended up getting a set of the forged 921 from a ping gmax. What a difference.
How’s it going with these? I’m interested but not sure if I just like shiny new things and want to play Mizuno.
@@marcuscaple7955 if you strike the ball normally well I can tell you it’s the best feeling club that I have tried. I sacrifice a little distance but you can’t beat the feel. No regrets. Plus they do look sexy.
Iron smash above 1.45???? Hmm. Pros are looking for 1.37-1.4 with a 7 iron. Hmmmmmmm.
Thanks for watching! You are correct smash factor of 1.45 is higher than pros. Pros 7i loft are 35* these irons are 31-33* Less loft = higher smash factor
@@2ndswing yeah, doesn’t float. There are multiple shots where y’all say there was a mis-hit, and the smash was STILL over 1.45.....
Trackman is trash indoors anyway, and if I remember correctly, smash, indoors, is one of the many readings that Trackman cannot track accurately.
Those 770s are so hot.
I have no idea what his accent is.
Thomas is from New Zealand. Moved to Minnesota when he was 20, his accent is a mixture of New Zealand "English" and Midwest slowly taking over.