Love that good old white board with hand-written data. That shows the effort, time, and mind devoted. Christmas wishes by e-mail are never the same as well-picked Christmas cards.
Great stuff guys, I really like your format. The tech up front, the ball flight on the LM, then the data presented in a simple yet tells you everything you need to know way! All in a tidy 11 minutes
If you're interested Blake there's also now comparison data to the MP-20 on our website, link below www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2020/april/which-mizuno-iron-suits-me/
Great review, clear and concise. I am a 18 handicapper and looking to gain distance this year. I tried the Hot Metal Pro and it felt so good. I think this review convinced me...
@@todaysgolfer I am playing the MP-18 SC with Fujikura shafts; however, your video convinced me to order the HOT METAL irons which are slated to arrive at Edwin Watts on or about Feb 11th. I turn 75 tomorrow so I gave myself a birthday present...
Just don’t order from Scottsdale Golf, ordered mine November 1st, no idea when they are going to arrive and Scottsdale won’t reply to my emails... best to buy off the rack if you can. I suspect the problem is with Mizuno but doesn’t excuse the poor customer service.
Love seeing the 919 numbers in comparison. Interesting how similar the numbers are (spin and carry) between the 921F and 919HMP. It's like Mizuno created a forged version of the 919HMP for people who want a bit more distance than the 919F. Would also appeal to Apex CF19 users who like the feel of the 921F but don't want to give up much distance.
I switched from Mizuno to Calloway X Forged , really want to go back to Mizuno would I want the forged or hot medal pro ? To me looks like hot medal pro has just a little more foregoing look then the forged, which at this stage would be a little better for me ! I’m a 12-14 handicap but I’m 70 years old and starting to loose distance! Thanks
Thanks guys for a great review. What I would love to hear is Neil's feedback on the turf interaction with the Tour and Forged. I am a 1 Hcp and currently play MP 20 MBs P-6 and HMB 3, 4, 5. 3, 4, 5 are my weakness but I can't stand the HMBs. To chunky and the turf interaction is sluggish. But I'm no spring chicken, being 50, I can't play an MB 3 or 4 iron anymore. My personal crusade is finding long irons with smooth turf interaction that has forgiveness and doesn't look like a shovel. Thus, I'm looking at the Forged, but curious about the Tour. My biggest challenge is finding a fitter who has a 4 or 5 iron to hit. I'm a firm believer that just because you can hit a 7 iron great doesn't mean you can hit the long irons. Hope to read your reply. Keep up the great reviews! Cheers
Thanks for the feedback Jeff, Neil is always fan of why make the game harder than it needs to be, so forgiveness across the set is always important to him, but now more so than ever in the long irons. Not sure where you're base but Mizuno have their own fitting centre in the UK, where there's a full set of each iron to hit (albeit not with your preferred shaft option), might be an idea to search out a centre like this to try them for yourself as it's obviously an important area of your bag.
Really great review. I chose the 921 forged; graduating from a game improvement iron to this and I’m excited to see the results! I shoot anywhere from 78-87. Hope to drop to low 80’s at the high end and lower 70’s on the low end.
Thank you for the review. The Hot Metal and Hot Metal Pro really interest me. They are not available for purchase yet, it seems, and I am eager to try them myself to see if them are an improvement over my current irons.
Thanks Jamie much appreciated, you can see handicap guides on our website link below www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2020/april/which-mizuno-iron-suits-me/
I have put off replacing my apex irons with the pxg gen 3 because if the exorbitant price in the UK. Though loved the tests I did with the p line. As such have been fortunate as a leftie to get some left heads and shafts to try out for a few rounds each (7 iron) and compare to my apex but also recall against my previous p760 which I much preferred the look and feel of but lost a little distance. These tests included the new TM, srixon line amongst others. Sadly mizuno does not do left hand in the forged except 4/5 irons which I don't use. However have been tested the tour (sel) and like it a lot as it gives you more workability, stability and feel. Much better looks. Interestingly I am getting a similar distance with my apex even though it is 30.5 Vs 34 in the sel. Shaft was project X lz 4.5 70g r of course not adjusted for lie etc. I wonder whether making the clubs 1 degree stronger might be the way to go? Like the much less offset as I rarely ever slice rather slight pull which the apex exaggerated. Any thoughts?
Great info! However, most of us do not change irons every new generation, so it would really really be very helpful also compare the 921’s to the JPX 900’s.. It’s my understanding that Mizuno actually went back towsrds the 900’s in term of design (according to their info). So for sll of us that still happily game our 900’s it could be informative to know what the 921’s numbers / feel / moi are in comparison to the 900’s. Thanks again for great info.
Thanks for the feedback Claus. In the perfect world of course it would be great to put new models up against a couple of previous generations. In reality the 900's are four years old and we'd struggle to get hold of samples in a standard spec today.
I have the jpx 919 forged. Yardage drop off and difficulty getting airborne in the 6i to 4i. Was maybe considering 921 hm pro pw to 7i and them 921 hm 6i to 4i. Interested on your thoughts guys. Love the pw to 7i in my 919 forged... keep up the great content 👏
Thanks so much for the feedback, it's very much appreciated. Sounds like a cracking blended set, the two HM sets have the same lofts so you shouldn't have too many issues with gapping. The longer blade length in the Hot Metal will also add a bit of forgiveness over the HM Pro too. Would be great to hear how you get on, once you've hit them.
Where do you see the MP20 HMB fitting in vs these? Who would it suit? I landed on HMBs in a fitting last Oct, didn't hit any 919s well at all. My 6 iron swing speed 94mph
Hi Erik, sorry for the slow reply, we've been trying to get exactly this data up on our website. You can view the page below www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2020/april/which-mizuno-iron-suits-me/
Surprised about the very low spin numbers in the 921Forged. It seems noticeably lower than all of the other clubs given the difference in lofts/speeds.
Regarding the forged irons, there's a noticeable drop in spin rate in the 7-iron compared to the 919. That means more distance but also more difficulty holding greens. Not sure if that's a positive tradeoff. Unless the answer is that you can instead use an 8-iron for the same distance.
Also don't forget shots are launching higher, peaking out higher and attacking the green at a slightly steeper angle too. It's so easy to write off slightly stronger lofted irons without looking at the whole picture. Hope that helps.
Im a 17 handicap an im struggling between the jpx921 forged or the hot metal Pros. My old irons are the Mizuno mp 15 ti muscle. Which ones would you recommend buying?
Thanks for the feedback Tim, much appreciated. Mizuno see the JPX921 Forged as a good fit for 10 -14 handicappers. As part of Mizuno's online iron selector they have them down as a more forgiving option than the MP-20 HMB for 5 - 9 handicappers and more workable choice than the Hot Metal Pro for 15 - 19 handicappers. Obviously it depends on ball striking ability but it's a pretty wide audience of golfers from 5 - 12/14 handicappers in our opinion. Hope that helps.
@@todaysgolfer That's pretty amazing that the manufacturer has such a strong lineup of clubs that each one suits such a tight window. I have the JPX 921 SEL which is the forged from 6-gap wedge and the 4-5 are HMP's. I absolutely love the set. I really believe as Neil suggests, that the forged would suit a really wide range of golfers from low single digit to 20 hcp could game those clubs and be totally satisfied with the performance of their irons.
@@chrisgilligan4968 Thanks for the input Chris, we wouldn't argue with you. There is though no escaping Mizuno's own iron selector has the JPX921 Forged down as a good fit for 10 - 14 handicappers and a more forgiving option than the MP-20 HMB for 5 - 9 handicappers. Of course strike consistency means more than handicap.
Morning guys, great review, currently playing the mp5,s with kbs 130 x float between 6/7 handicap, swing a 7 iron around 90/92 mph, love the look of the 921 forged, look a little more forgiving? Are they still easy enough to shape the ball? Thanks
Thanks for the feedback. Absolutely we're just in the process of pulling together a full new forged irons test, including the Mizuno's, TaylorMade, Honma TR20 and Srixon ZX, so all the new models that have launched since March. We're including 5-iron testing within the video Christopher, which has thrown up some very interesting insight.
Great review & detail. Tried them all. The tours reminded me of blades, and you have to hit them perfect or else you feel it. I found the HM Pro had more feel than the forged. My shots were identical but the forge provided no feedback on a well hit or mis hit shot.
Nicely done! I’m a 12 index playing MP-20 HMB 5-7 i210 gap-8 Trying to figure out what to replace the i210 with: my-20MMC, my-20HMB or 921forged. Comparison video would be greatly appreciated.
That's a really tough call Phil. Not sure we can devote a whole video to it, but think seriously about what you want from your scoring clubs (the short irons). Gut feel is we'd probably look at completing the set of HMB's, unless you only choose the HMB mid and long irons for extra speed and distance, and were less worried about spin and distance control. Doesn't feel like on the surface there's too much to gain from the MMC or 921 Forged just in the short irons, so long as you like what the HMB's already do for you.
I know it is subjective but the feel of the Forged for me isn’t on par with the feel of the Tour. For me the Forged felt soft but also “springy” / “clicky”. The Tour felt softer but also not as soft /buttery as the MP20 MB. The Forged was very easy to hit (but that was also the case with the Tour and the MP20MB) and went further but that is what I expected because the 7 iron loft of the Forged is almost a 6 iron loft of the Tour or the MP20. For me the looks of the Tour are also better. Sleeker and and thinner topline. But that of course is also subjective. In my opinion an aspect that is too often not mentioned in reviews is turf interaction. The TXG guys had a good video about that because that can result in that a golfer gets better results with a bladed iron than with an iron with (on paper) more forgiveness. I agree that it is wise to look if it is better to split a set and play irons with more forgiveness and easier launch in the longer irons...but than you have to take a good look with the fitter were to split and how it works with gapping. So get fitted with an open mind 😇
Really good question Dave. A lot of golfers will be asking the same thing. Generally a 10 handicapper is in a nice place of being able to go in either direction. At a reasonable speed you're likely to see a distance benefit from the Pro but from what we've seen that comes with a lower launch, less spin and a shallower decent angle. Best way would be to give them both a try and see how they perform for you, then decide how important a 'Forged' feel is important to you, as the HM Pro isn't forged. Hope that helps.
13 handicap at 30 years old but only been playing 2 years. Looking to switch from my M4 irons. i was fit into the 921 forged with c taper lite stiff shaft. However, i struggle with hitting center of the face consistently. I'm leaning at going with the HM pro to get that extra forgiveness. Thoughts?
We're firm believers in not making the game any harder than it needs to be Tim, so if you feel that's the right direction even though you've been fitted for a slightly smaller head, with less sole width but almost identical offset then the Pro sounds like a great shout. Have you checked launch, spin, peak height and descent angle between the two? The Pro is a couple of degree's stronger in the #7 iron.
@@todaysgolfer Right along my thoughts. Yes, height and descent are very similar actually with a little more spin from the HM pro, right around 5k in the 7 iron. Where is forged was sitting at 4100 Closest other option they gave me was the t300 in amt black regular shafts. however i found misses going right and left for me. as well as my distance varying over 10 yds. Think that may be the flex in the shaft?
@@TMichaelD26 It's possible Tim, it's really hard to say when we know nothing about your game. Was there a shaft weight difference to? Changing weight can give timing issues for some golfers.
Be interested to see what you think about the new Taylor made line 770 etc and how they would compare to these and indeed whom they would suit. Am gaming the cf19 at present but before was with the p760 which I loved the look and feel off but lost a little distance hence the temporary switch. Only other irons I have loved - but price point offputting- and perhaps the best I have tried so far are the pxg gen 3 p line. Looking for that better look and feel, less offset, less chunky but without the loss of distance.
Completely understand where you're coming from Aly, it's really tough once you've got used to a players' distance iron length to give it up. Not sure you're going gain anything going from CF19 to P770 as the lofts are well in the favour of the CF16. What we have found though is the P770 is great for flighting shots high, without losing backspin or descent angle in the long irons. A reason why some tour players are experimenting with them right now.
Today's Golfer thanks makes sense. I presume the same might apply to the jpx 921 forged etc. Tough call. Maybe wait and get the gen 3 in USA where much cheaper - one day!! Will keep thinking. Thanks again
I am finally starting to break into the 15 handicap range. Have used game improvement irons for years. Not sure whether to stay with a higher end improvement iron or go with something meant for lower handicap players. Would using a lower handicap club force improvement over time or hurt my game?
Id say if youre a 15 to go with the hot metal PRO. Im around 17, got fitted for the HMP and really liked them. They arent as chunky as the HM, and you still have a chance towork them a little. At 15, youre better than i am, but my fitter/coach said if i went with a tour or forged, that it might be brutal at first, and may get discouraged if improvement doenst come quickly. With the HMP, you can work yourself down to scratch, then work on the artistry later.
It seems like the 921 forged, is a premium 921 hot metal pro, the top lines are identical, offset identical, but it's $400 more expensive and is forged,vs cast from the hot metal pro, clubhead size is also the same so I imagine forgiveness is nearly if not identical.
Ok I’ve just bought the hot metal pro irons from what I’m seeing is the spin rate less with it as I am a very high spin player just asking as these were fitted for me and spin was something I left to the fitter
Hi Robert, it probably wouldn't be a great idea to include 3/4 models within the same set, even though it's just about possible. Mizuno expect the Tour and Forged to be the most popular combination. We probably wouldn't team the Hot Metal Pro and Hot Metal in the same set either, they're the same lofts so essentially you pick one or the other based on whether you want a more compact shape and size with less offset (the HM Pro), or extra forgiveness thanks to a slightly bigger head with a thicker top line and extra offset (HM). Long irons from either set could sit alongside the 921 Forged short irons, so long as you check gapping from 6 - 7 iron and probably have the HM or HM Pro 6 iron (plus the iron or 2 irons longer than it) weakened a little. Does that help?
The HMP head is pretty small not gonna lie. Maybe because I’m comparing to my 10 year old irons I used before these. I’m trying to improve my game I thought they’d be more forgiving
Hi, love the video. I’m really interested in the forged irons but think my ability is probably more suited to the hot metal pros. I know it’s hard to say and I will be testing both, but what handicaps do you think the forge will suit? I’m currently off 13.
Paul Casey has the Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Pro in his bag from 5 iron, which would imply it's a good club. I'm off 14, I am thinking of combo from 7 iron, I currently have MP 18 MMCs, I like punishing myself.
I’ve been playing with taylormade burner OS irons and find them to chunky and heavy , I be got an old set of Arnold Palmer charger graphite irons which are very slim face more like blades but can hit the ball so easy can anyone advise me which clubs would be beneficial ? Thank you
@@markb5775 I have been playing my MP-60s since they were new (changed shafts a couple of times). Now that I am a senior, I need a little more distance and a little more forgiveness. Would rather not go to a thick top-line (like the regular hot metals). Might have to look at some other more "lefty-friendly" brands even though I would rather not.
More distance but stronger lofts, what is your opinion, 7 irons are becoming 6 or 5 irons. I am struggling with my MP 18 mmcs, I will try the Hot Metal
So long as shots launch, spin and peak out at reasonable levels and they descend onto the green steeply enough to stop we don't have a problem with strong lofts. They've actually come a very long way over the last few years. We like the phrase 'I'm hitting my 7-iron as far as a 6, but through and 8-iron window'. Problems can occur though when slower speed players think strong lofts will help them find more distance, but they idon'thave the speed to launch shots high enough to optimise carry distance. Hope that helps.
@@todaysgolfer yes, good answer, but I did see the peak height of the Hots wasn't as high as the forged, probably high enough, but not through a 8 iron window. I also like this phrase, probably helped me understand the new clubs better than stats, I can feel a new set of clubs coming on.
@@rogerhill99 Make sure you give them a go first, and if you can try the 5-iron too (if you plan on having a 5-iron in your set of course). make sure you can launch them from the turf, not just a tee.
Great review i currently play mizuno jpx 919 forged irons but find as you stated have given up a bit of yardage lately i used to have the jpx hot metal irons and play off a 10hcp and am 61 years old do you think it would be worthwhile looking at the 921 forged irons
Thanks for the feedback Stephen, very much appreciated. Would be great to get you hitting both the Forged and Hot Metal Pro alongside each other on a launch, just so you can see what both bring to the party. From what we've seen the 921 Forged is a good step forward from the 919 Forged. Hope that helps.
All stock shafts Luke, that's the part of a stock set that manufacturers get to choose (for their target golfer) what might separate them from the competition. Trouble with testing with only a single shaft, is that often it's not available from every brand, so you essentially end up testing what people can't buy, which isn't really very useful.
Good review, but why are all the reviews always with pros? I get that they hit consistently and are therefore a controlled environment, but I'd like a 19 handicapper like me to test the Hot Metals and feedback.
Thanks for the feedback. We've tried using mid-handicap players before, but for our experience, because ball striking is so hit and miss you end up evaluating the players performance with each club, not how each club performs. Some of the data created with mid-handicap players can be very misleading, which of course is never our intention, so we use a test pro to show how models actually compare.
Hi Keith we'd really recommend starting at the JPX921 Hot Metal, they're really not too big or chunky (which you mention in another post). Then see what you give up to move to the smaller sized models.
Thank you I play off 24 and hit my irons well but inconsistently which is frustrating , with my natural swing from left to right would these irons be n more forgiving ? Thank you
@@keithdennis7138 If you tend to hit irons from left to right Keith the extra hosel offset you get in the JPX921 Hot Metal gives a little more time to square the face at impact, which can help straighten shots up. Make sure you get properly fitted as the right shaft can really help or hinder at more average speeds. Hope that helps.
Today's Golfer hi again is there a golf company that can hire out single demo irons to test on the golf course , ? I’m finding it difficult to find testing golf stores who only want to sell certain clubs to you !! Thank you Keith
Great review as always. What would you recommend for a mid handicaper like me (12.5 h.i) i currently game i200 and when my swing is really on, i can hit the green with no problems but sometimes when i have no practice or feel uncomfortable, its difficult to hit the green consistenly. What would be the best option for me? Thank you guys.
Thanks for the feedback, it's very much appreciated. Sounds to us like you really need to try the JPX921 Forged and Hot Metal Pro side by side so you can weigh up the difference in terms of feel/sound, ball speed, backspin, height, descent angle and carry distance. The numbers will show you which is the best way forward. Hope that helps.
@@todaysgolfer Thanks for that reply. I was going to ask the same question. Currently playing with JPX 825 Pro but I think they are not right for me and time to change.
As a mid-handicapper one question that might help narrow the contenders will be 'how much of a premium do I put on my irons being forged?' Might well help you sway one way or the other.
I would love to mix HM Pro (I5 and I6) with the forged (I7 to PW) but am a little held back by the large loft gap. What do you recommend (HCP around 17, moderate to deliberate swing speed, currently playing CF16)?
@@joej2435 Yep, had a fitting with a lot of clubs, in the I had to decide btw. Apex DCB and Mizuno. But the DCB was just far too thick, so I ended up with HMP 921 (I6 26°, I7 30°) and Forged 921 (I8 35°, I9 40°, PW 45°) with a Recoil ESX reg. Flex shaft. No chance testing it though due to delivery times and customs after brexit (Mizuno send things through GB whysoever).
@@isleofdeath Hi Andreas. Thanks so much for your reply. You will love your set makeup. Yes I tested the DCB too and yanked everything left because of the offset. Tested the Mizunos outdoors on the grass yesterday (Pros & Forged). Ordered 4-6 in the Pros (2 degrees weak on the lofts so will flow perfectly with the standard lofts of the Forged, therefore, no need to tweek any lofts on the forged). 7 thru PW in the Forged. Got fancy and ordered the JPX Tour in the Gap Wedge. Hit both Recoil ESX Reg F3 and Senior F2. Went with the F2 (Much better feel for me as I only swing 72 MPH with a 7i 82 MPH with the driver). Found both models very accurate. Forged of course had better feel but Pros more helpful most especially in the long irons (For me 4-6). Order wait period here in the States (Massachusetts) is 4 to 5 weeks according to Mizuno. Good luck to you when they arrive and you get going over there.
Very good looking clubs but again the lofts keep getting stronger and the spin keeps dropping... Not a good combination..... In 3 or 4 years from now the so called 7 iron will be 30 ° and that's I'm the jpx forged.... I have the 919 and a friend has 2 generations previous to mine which had a 33 ° 7 my 919 has 32° which I think is two strong now the 921 has 31° , when will the madness end...
For what its worth, my launch angle with the 921 hmp is 19-20° and descent angle is 40-45°. It just depends on your angle of attack. That’s what i was scared about choosing the hmp pro, i have the i200 with 33° on my 7 iron. Launch angle is 22° which is really high so i was given a stronger loft to compensate with my swing.(which is the 921 hmp)
Love that good old white board with hand-written data. That shows the effort, time, and mind devoted. Christmas wishes by e-mail are never the same as well-picked Christmas cards.
Thank you so much Wilson, it does take an age compiling the data charts.
Thanks gents for the review. I've watched this several times now as I decide which irons to pick up this year.
Thanks for the feedback Joe.
Great stuff guys, I really like your format. The tech up front, the ball flight on the LM, then the data presented in a simple yet tells you everything you need to know way! All in a tidy 11 minutes
Thank you so much for the feedback Robert, very much appreciated.
Just picked up a 4-gap set of 921 forged for less than 1k. Loved them on the range and I can’t wait to get out on the course with them.
Nice choice John.
Great review! I love this format comparing the whole new JPX line to previous models. Very informative. Thanks so much!
Thank you Todd, really appreciate you taking the time to feedback.
If you're interested Blake there's also now comparison data to the MP-20 on our website, link below
www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2020/april/which-mizuno-iron-suits-me/
Can’t wait to see the Forged in person! It looks good.
Great review, clear and concise. I am a 18 handicapper and looking to gain distance this year. I tried the Hot Metal Pro and it felt so good. I think this review convinced me...
Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate it. Hope you enjoy the Hot Metal Pro's, they're a lovely set.
Sounds like the new HOT METAL iron is ideal for an aging single digit golfer, very impressive review by Simon and Neil....well done!
Thanks so much for taking the time to say so John, very much appreciated.
@@todaysgolfer I am playing the MP-18 SC with Fujikura shafts; however, your video convinced me to order the HOT METAL irons which are slated to arrive at Edwin Watts on or about Feb 11th. I turn 75 tomorrow so I gave myself a birthday present...
@@johnmanheimer8006 Brilliant John, let us know how they go for you.
Nice review still reckon the forged will suit a lot of golfers from low to high handicap
Thanks for the feedback, very much appreciated, the Forged will be a very popular iron for sure.
Great video guys. I’m getting my hands on a set of JPX921’s after this video. Tour or forged for me, haven’t decided yet. Thanks for the video!
Glad we could help Rocky, thanks for feedback, really appreciate it.
Just don’t order from Scottsdale Golf, ordered mine November 1st, no idea when they are going to arrive and Scottsdale won’t reply to my emails... best to buy off the rack if you can. I suspect the problem is with Mizuno but doesn’t excuse the poor customer service.
Love seeing the 919 numbers in comparison. Interesting how similar the numbers are (spin and carry) between the 921F and 919HMP. It's like Mizuno created a forged version of the 919HMP for people who want a bit more distance than the 919F. Would also appeal to Apex CF19 users who like the feel of the 921F but don't want to give up much distance.
Thanks for the input, appreciate you taking the time.
I switched from Mizuno to Calloway X Forged , really want to go back to Mizuno would I want the forged or hot medal pro ? To me looks like hot medal pro has just a little more foregoing look then the forged, which at this stage would be a little better for me ! I’m a 12-14 handicap but I’m 70 years old and starting to loose distance! Thanks
Thanks guys for a great review. What I would love to hear is Neil's feedback on the turf interaction with the Tour and Forged.
I am a 1 Hcp and currently play MP 20 MBs P-6 and HMB 3, 4, 5.
3, 4, 5 are my weakness but I can't stand the HMBs. To chunky and the turf interaction is sluggish. But I'm no spring chicken, being 50, I can't play an MB 3 or 4 iron anymore. My personal crusade is finding long irons with smooth turf interaction that has forgiveness and doesn't look like a shovel. Thus, I'm looking at the Forged, but curious about the Tour.
My biggest challenge is finding a fitter who has a 4 or 5 iron to hit. I'm a firm believer that just because you can hit a 7 iron great doesn't mean you can hit the long irons.
Hope to read your reply.
Keep up the great reviews!
Cheers
Thanks for the feedback Jeff, Neil is always fan of why make the game harder than it needs to be, so forgiveness across the set is always important to him, but now more so than ever in the long irons.
Not sure where you're base but Mizuno have their own fitting centre in the UK, where there's a full set of each iron to hit (albeit not with your preferred shaft option), might be an idea to search out a centre like this to try them for yourself as it's obviously an important area of your bag.
thanks again for all your hard work...
Thanks for taking the time to say so Roy.
Really great review. I chose the 921 forged; graduating from a game improvement iron to this and I’m excited to see the results! I shoot anywhere from 78-87. Hope to drop to low 80’s at the high end and lower 70’s on the low end.
Thanks for the feedback Thomas, you'll get there.
Thank you for the review. The Hot Metal and Hot Metal Pro really interest me. They are not available for purchase yet, it seems, and I am eager to try them myself to see if them are an improvement over my current irons.
Would be good to hear how they go for you Chester, thanks for the input.
Thx , just bought the Jpx forged, great stuff
Thanks for taking the time to say so Wolfgang.
Good review, definitely going to try the hot metal and pro. I miss the chart at the end showing handicap ranges for each club though !
Thanks Jamie much appreciated, you can see handicap guides on our website link below
www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2020/april/which-mizuno-iron-suits-me/
Paul Casey has Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Pros in his bag 4 and 3.
Another great review the best in the industry! Thank you!
Thank you so much See, very much appreciated.
Excellent work lads! 🙏👍
Thank you, much appreciated.
I have put off replacing my apex irons with the pxg gen 3 because if the exorbitant price in the UK. Though loved the tests I did with the p line. As such have been fortunate as a leftie to get some left heads and shafts to try out for a few rounds each (7 iron) and compare to my apex but also recall against my previous p760 which I much preferred the look and feel of but lost a little distance. These tests included the new TM, srixon line amongst others. Sadly mizuno does not do left hand in the forged except 4/5 irons which I don't use. However have been tested the tour (sel) and like it a lot as it gives you more workability, stability and feel. Much better looks. Interestingly I am getting a similar distance with my apex even though it is 30.5 Vs 34 in the sel. Shaft was project X lz 4.5 70g r of course not adjusted for lie etc. I wonder whether making the clubs 1 degree stronger might be the way to go? Like the much less offset as I rarely ever slice rather slight pull which the apex exaggerated. Any thoughts?
Great info!
However, most of us do not change irons every new generation, so it would really really be very helpful also compare the 921’s to the JPX 900’s.. It’s my understanding that Mizuno actually went back towsrds the 900’s in term of design (according to their info). So for sll of us that still happily game our 900’s it could be informative to know what the 921’s numbers / feel / moi are in comparison to the 900’s. Thanks again for great info.
Thanks for the feedback Claus.
In the perfect world of course it would be great to put new models up against a couple of previous generations. In reality the 900's are four years old and we'd struggle to get hold of samples in a standard spec today.
I have the jpx 919 forged. Yardage drop off and difficulty getting airborne in the 6i to 4i. Was maybe considering 921 hm pro pw to 7i and them 921 hm 6i to 4i. Interested on your thoughts guys. Love the pw to 7i in my 919 forged... keep up the great content 👏
Thanks so much for the feedback, it's very much appreciated.
Sounds like a cracking blended set, the two HM sets have the same lofts so you shouldn't have too many issues with gapping. The longer blade length in the Hot Metal will also add a bit of forgiveness over the HM Pro too.
Would be great to hear how you get on, once you've hit them.
Where do you see the MP20 HMB fitting in vs these? Who would it suit? I landed on HMBs in a fitting last Oct, didn't hit any 919s well at all. My 6 iron swing speed 94mph
Hi Erik, sorry for the slow reply, we've been trying to get exactly this data up on our website. You can view the page below www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2020/april/which-mizuno-iron-suits-me/
Surprised about the very low spin numbers in the 921Forged. It seems noticeably lower than all of the other clubs given the difference in lofts/speeds.
Regarding the forged irons, there's a noticeable drop in spin rate in the 7-iron compared to the 919. That means more distance but also more difficulty holding greens. Not sure if that's a positive tradeoff. Unless the answer is that you can instead use an 8-iron for the same distance.
Also don't forget shots are launching higher, peaking out higher and attacking the green at a slightly steeper angle too. It's so easy to write off slightly stronger lofted irons without looking at the whole picture.
Hope that helps.
Im a 17 handicap an im struggling between the jpx921 forged or the hot metal Pros. My old irons are the Mizuno mp 15 ti muscle. Which ones would you recommend buying?
Great review. What would you suggest handicap range in the 921 forged?
Thanks for the feedback Tim, much appreciated.
Mizuno see the JPX921 Forged as a good fit for 10 -14 handicappers. As part of Mizuno's online iron selector they have them down as a more forgiving option than the MP-20 HMB for 5 - 9 handicappers and more workable choice than the Hot Metal Pro for 15 - 19 handicappers.
Obviously it depends on ball striking ability but it's a pretty wide audience of golfers from 5 - 12/14 handicappers in our opinion.
Hope that helps.
@@todaysgolfer That's pretty amazing that the manufacturer has such a strong lineup of clubs that each one suits such a tight window. I have the JPX 921 SEL which is the forged from 6-gap wedge and the 4-5 are HMP's. I absolutely love the set. I really believe as Neil suggests, that the forged would suit a really wide range of golfers from low single digit to 20 hcp could game those clubs and be totally satisfied with the performance of their irons.
@@chrisgilligan4968 Thanks for the input Chris, we wouldn't argue with you. There is though no escaping Mizuno's own iron selector has the JPX921 Forged down as a good fit for 10 - 14 handicappers and a more forgiving option than the MP-20 HMB for 5 - 9 handicappers. Of course strike consistency means more than handicap.
Morning guys, great review, currently playing the mp5,s with kbs 130 x float between 6/7 handicap, swing a 7 iron around 90/92 mph, love the look of the 921 forged, look a little more forgiving? Are they still easy enough to shape the ball? Thanks
Thanks for the review. What’re your thoughts on comparison to the new taylormade irons? Any chance you’ll do a head to head comparison?
Thanks for the feedback. Absolutely we're just in the process of pulling together a full new forged irons test, including the Mizuno's, TaylorMade, Honma TR20 and Srixon ZX, so all the new models that have launched since March.
We're including 5-iron testing within the video Christopher, which has thrown up some very interesting insight.
Today's Golfer awesome! Really excited to see the data! I’m testing the taylormade line this weekend to possibly replace my irons from 10+ years ago
@@christopherjamero Sure a lot of golfers will be asking the same questions as you over the next few months Christopher. Both are lovely.
Great review & detail. Tried them all. The tours reminded me of blades, and you have to hit them perfect or else you feel it. I found the HM Pro had more feel than the forged. My shots were identical but the forge provided no feedback on a well hit or mis hit shot.
Thanks for the input Clarke.
Nicely done! I’m a 12 index playing MP-20 HMB 5-7
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Trying to figure out what to replace the i210 with: my-20MMC, my-20HMB or 921forged. Comparison video would be greatly appreciated.
Spell check. MP not my.
That's a really tough call Phil. Not sure we can devote a whole video to it, but think seriously about what you want from your scoring clubs (the short irons).
Gut feel is we'd probably look at completing the set of HMB's, unless you only choose the HMB mid and long irons for extra speed and distance, and were less worried about spin and distance control. Doesn't feel like on the surface there's too much to gain from the MMC or 921 Forged just in the short irons, so long as you like what the HMB's already do for you.
I know it is subjective but the feel of the Forged for me isn’t on par with the feel of the Tour. For me the Forged felt soft but also “springy” / “clicky”. The Tour felt softer but also not as soft /buttery as the MP20 MB. The Forged was very easy to hit (but that was also the case with the Tour and the MP20MB) and went further but that is what I expected because the 7 iron loft of the Forged is almost a 6 iron loft of the Tour or the MP20. For me the looks of the Tour are also better. Sleeker and and thinner topline. But that of course is also subjective. In my opinion an aspect that is too often not mentioned in reviews is turf interaction. The TXG guys had a good video about that because that can result in that a golfer gets better results with a bladed iron than with an iron with (on paper) more forgiveness. I agree that it is wise to look if it is better to split a set and play irons with more forgiveness and easier launch in the longer irons...but than you have to take a good look with the fitter were to split and how it works with gapping. So get fitted with an open mind 😇
What are your thoughts choosing between the Forged and HM Pro for a 10 handicap player?
Really good question Dave. A lot of golfers will be asking the same thing. Generally a 10 handicapper is in a nice place of being able to go in either direction. At a reasonable speed you're likely to see a distance benefit from the Pro but from what we've seen that comes with a lower launch, less spin and a shallower decent angle.
Best way would be to give them both a try and see how they perform for you, then decide how important a 'Forged' feel is important to you, as the HM Pro isn't forged. Hope that helps.
13 handicap at 30 years old but only been playing 2 years. Looking to switch from my M4 irons. i was fit into the 921 forged with c taper lite stiff shaft. However, i struggle with hitting center of the face consistently. I'm leaning at going with the HM pro to get that extra forgiveness. Thoughts?
We're firm believers in not making the game any harder than it needs to be Tim, so if you feel that's the right direction even though you've been fitted for a slightly smaller head, with less sole width but almost identical offset then the Pro sounds like a great shout.
Have you checked launch, spin, peak height and descent angle between the two? The Pro is a couple of degree's stronger in the #7 iron.
@@todaysgolfer Right along my thoughts. Yes, height and descent are very similar actually with a little more spin from the HM pro, right around 5k in the 7 iron. Where is forged was sitting at 4100
Closest other option they gave me was the t300 in amt black regular shafts. however i found misses going right and left for me. as well as my distance varying over 10 yds. Think that may be the flex in the shaft?
@@TMichaelD26 It's possible Tim, it's really hard to say when we know nothing about your game. Was there a shaft weight difference to? Changing weight can give timing issues for some golfers.
Wow 13 handicap in two years. Any tips for beginner golfer to get there ?
Be interested to see what you think about the new Taylor made line 770 etc and how they would compare to these and indeed whom they would suit. Am gaming the cf19 at present but before was with the p760 which I loved the look and feel off but lost a little distance hence the temporary switch. Only other irons I have loved - but price point offputting- and perhaps the best I have tried so far are the pxg gen 3 p line. Looking for that better look and feel, less offset, less chunky but without the loss of distance.
Completely understand where you're coming from Aly, it's really tough once you've got used to a players' distance iron length to give it up.
Not sure you're going gain anything going from CF19 to P770 as the lofts are well in the favour of the CF16.
What we have found though is the P770 is great for flighting shots high, without losing backspin or descent angle in the long irons. A reason why some tour players are experimenting with them right now.
Today's Golfer thanks makes sense. I presume the same might apply to the jpx 921 forged etc. Tough call. Maybe wait and get the gen 3 in USA where much cheaper - one day!! Will keep thinking. Thanks again
@@alysgolfstudio567 No probs, the PXG Gen 3 are stunning Aly, sounds like you're focused in that direction.
I am finally starting to break into the 15 handicap range. Have used game improvement irons for years. Not sure whether to stay with a higher end improvement iron or go with something meant for lower handicap players. Would using a lower handicap club force improvement over time or hurt my game?
Id say if youre a 15 to go with the hot metal PRO. Im around 17, got fitted for the HMP and really liked them. They arent as chunky as the HM, and you still have a chance towork them a little. At 15, youre better than i am, but my fitter/coach said if i went with a tour or forged, that it might be brutal at first, and may get discouraged if improvement doenst come quickly. With the HMP, you can work yourself down to scratch, then work on the artistry later.
It seems like the 921 forged, is a premium 921 hot metal pro, the top lines are identical, offset identical, but it's $400 more expensive and is forged,vs cast from the hot metal pro, clubhead size is also the same so I imagine forgiveness is nearly if not identical.
Ok I’ve just bought the hot metal pro irons from what I’m seeing is the spin rate less with it as I am a very high spin player just asking as these were fitted for me and spin was something I left to the fitter
Good morning,
How would you create a full set by creating a combo of 3/4 irons??? Forged, Hot Metal, Hot Metal Pro.
Hi Robert, it probably wouldn't be a great idea to include 3/4 models within the same set, even though it's just about possible. Mizuno expect the Tour and Forged to be the most popular combination.
We probably wouldn't team the Hot Metal Pro and Hot Metal in the same set either, they're the same lofts so essentially you pick one or the other based on whether you want a more compact shape and size with less offset (the HM Pro), or extra forgiveness thanks to a slightly bigger head with a thicker top line and extra offset (HM). Long irons from either set could sit alongside the 921 Forged short irons, so long as you check gapping from 6 - 7 iron and probably have the HM or HM Pro 6 iron (plus the iron or 2 irons longer than it) weakened a little.
Does that help?
The HMP head is pretty small not gonna lie. Maybe because I’m comparing to my 10 year old irons I used before these. I’m trying to improve my game I thought they’d be more forgiving
Well said, there's also less offset (so expect a lower launch) than many of the irons it gets compared to.
Hi, love the video. I’m really interested in the forged irons but think my ability is probably more suited to the hot metal pros. I know it’s hard to say and I will be testing both, but what handicaps do you think the forge will suit? I’m currently off 13.
Paul Casey has the Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Pro in his bag from 5 iron, which would imply it's a good club. I'm off 14, I am thinking of combo from 7 iron, I currently have MP 18 MMCs, I like punishing myself.
I’ve been playing with taylormade burner OS irons and find them to chunky and heavy , I be got an old set of Arnold Palmer charger graphite irons which are very slim face more like blades but can hit the ball so easy can anyone advise me which clubs would be beneficial ? Thank you
I think the best fit for me would be the Hot Metal Pros. Unfortunately, since I am left handed, I am S.O.L.
Same here, looks like I'll have to stick with my 900s.
@@markb5775 I have been playing my MP-60s since they were new (changed shafts a couple of times). Now that I am a senior, I need a little more distance and a little more forgiveness. Would rather not go to a thick top-line (like the regular hot metals). Might have to look at some other more "lefty-friendly" brands even though I would rather not.
Same. I feel your pain. The resale market is slim for us
How would you compare the Mizuno JPX921 Forged to the Callaway Apex 21’s?
Good question Dave.
We are just completing our 'Best of 2021' test sessions now. Look out for a new Best Players' Distance iron video soon.
More distance but stronger lofts, what is your opinion, 7 irons are becoming 6 or 5 irons. I am struggling with my MP 18 mmcs, I will try the Hot Metal
So long as shots launch, spin and peak out at reasonable levels and they descend onto the green steeply enough to stop we don't have a problem with strong lofts.
They've actually come a very long way over the last few years. We like the phrase 'I'm hitting my 7-iron as far as a 6, but through and 8-iron window'.
Problems can occur though when slower speed players think strong lofts will help them find more distance, but they idon'thave the speed to launch shots high enough to optimise carry distance.
Hope that helps.
@@todaysgolfer yes, good answer, but I did see the peak height of the Hots wasn't as high as the forged, probably high enough, but not through a 8 iron window. I also like this phrase, probably helped me understand the new clubs better than stats, I can feel a new set of clubs coming on.
@@rogerhill99 Make sure you give them a go first, and if you can try the 5-iron too (if you plan on having a 5-iron in your set of course). make sure you can launch them from the turf, not just a tee.
@@todaysgolfer I bought a Fli Hi 5, goes brilliantly, further than the 18 mmc 5 iron
Great review i currently play mizuno jpx 919 forged irons but find as you stated have given up a bit of yardage lately i used to have the jpx hot metal irons and play off a 10hcp and am 61 years old do you think it would be worthwhile looking at the 921 forged irons
Thanks for the feedback Stephen, very much appreciated.
Would be great to get you hitting both the Forged and Hot Metal Pro alongside each other on a launch, just so you can see what both bring to the party. From what we've seen the 921 Forged is a good step forward from the 919 Forged.
Hope that helps.
Have you put these up against the Srixon zx7 / zx5? What is the comparison?
We have Michael, our 'Best new 2020 forged iron test' should help.
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Offset is the same on forged and HMP. Only difference is loft and how the club is made
Do all of your comparison reviews use stock shafts?
Not sure how accurate comparisons can be made without fitting the same shaft to each head.
All stock shafts Luke, that's the part of a stock set that manufacturers get to choose (for their target golfer) what might separate them from the competition.
Trouble with testing with only a single shaft, is that often it's not available from every brand, so you essentially end up testing what people can't buy, which isn't really very useful.
Good review, but why are all the reviews always with pros? I get that they hit consistently and are therefore a controlled environment, but I'd like a 19 handicapper like me to test the Hot Metals and feedback.
Thanks for the feedback.
We've tried using mid-handicap players before, but for our experience, because ball striking is so hit and miss you end up evaluating the players performance with each club, not how each club performs.
Some of the data created with mid-handicap players can be very misleading, which of course is never our intention, so we use a test pro to show how models actually compare.
@@todaysgolfer thanks, yea I understand the challenges. It’s the same when I try clubs. Was that the club or me?
These irons look really nice , I’m a 24 handicap age 62 can anyone advise me if any of these irons would be game improvement for me ? Thanks
Hi Keith we'd really recommend starting at the JPX921 Hot Metal, they're really not too big or chunky (which you mention in another post). Then see what you give up to move to the smaller sized models.
Thank you I play off 24 and hit my irons well but inconsistently which is frustrating , with my natural swing from left to right would these irons be n more forgiving ? Thank you
@@keithdennis7138 If you tend to hit irons from left to right Keith the extra hosel offset you get in the JPX921 Hot Metal gives a little more time to square the face at impact, which can help straighten shots up.
Make sure you get properly fitted as the right shaft can really help or hinder at more average speeds.
Hope that helps.
Today's Golfer thank you very much for your advise I appreciate and will get fitted correctly when I purchase future irons. 👍
Today's Golfer hi again is there a golf company that can hire out single demo irons to test on the golf course , ? I’m finding it difficult to find testing golf stores who only want to sell certain clubs to you !!
Thank you Keith
Offset on the forged have the same offset
Great review as always. What would you recommend for a mid handicaper like me (12.5 h.i) i currently game i200 and when my swing is really on, i can hit the green with no problems but sometimes when i have no practice or feel uncomfortable, its difficult to hit the green consistenly. What would be the best option for me? Thank you guys.
Thanks for the feedback, it's very much appreciated.
Sounds to us like you really need to try the JPX921 Forged and Hot Metal Pro side by side so you can weigh up the difference in terms of feel/sound, ball speed, backspin, height, descent angle and carry distance.
The numbers will show you which is the best way forward.
Hope that helps.
@@todaysgolfer Thanks for that reply. I was going to ask the same question. Currently playing with JPX 825 Pro but I think they are not right for me and time to change.
Today's Golfer appreciate the advice, will do a fitting for this soon.
@@PathanPhoto No problems at all.
Today's Golfer last one, how about the hmb? Is it the same as the 921 forged and with same forgiveness?
As a mid-handicap I am struggling so hard to pick one...
As a mid-handicapper one question that might help narrow the contenders will be 'how much of a premium do I put on my irons being forged?'
Might well help you sway one way or the other.
I would love to mix HM Pro (I5 and I6) with the forged (I7 to PW) but am a little held back by the large loft gap. What do you recommend (HCP around 17, moderate to deliberate swing speed, currently playing CF16)?
Did you make your purchase ? If so what'd you think ? Thinking of ordering the exact same combination.
@@joej2435 Yep, had a fitting with a lot of clubs, in the I had to decide btw. Apex DCB and Mizuno. But the DCB was just far too thick, so I ended up with HMP 921 (I6 26°, I7 30°) and Forged 921 (I8 35°, I9 40°, PW 45°) with a Recoil ESX reg. Flex shaft. No chance testing it though due to delivery times and customs after brexit (Mizuno send things through GB whysoever).
@@isleofdeath Hi Andreas. Thanks so much for your reply. You will love your set makeup. Yes I tested the DCB too and yanked everything left because of the offset. Tested the Mizunos outdoors on the grass yesterday (Pros & Forged). Ordered 4-6 in the Pros (2 degrees weak on the lofts so will flow perfectly with the standard lofts of the Forged, therefore, no need to tweek any lofts on the forged). 7 thru PW in the Forged. Got fancy and ordered the JPX Tour in the Gap Wedge. Hit both Recoil ESX Reg F3 and Senior F2. Went with the F2 (Much better feel for me as I only swing 72 MPH with a 7i 82 MPH with the driver). Found both models very accurate. Forged of course had better feel but Pros more helpful most especially in the long irons (For me 4-6). Order wait period here in the States (Massachusetts) is 4 to 5 weeks according to Mizuno. Good luck to you when they arrive and you get going over there.
Very good looking clubs but again the lofts keep getting stronger and the spin keeps dropping...
Not a good combination.....
In 3 or 4 years from now the so called 7 iron will be 30 ° and that's I'm the jpx forged....
I have the 919 and a friend has 2 generations previous to mine which had a 33 ° 7 my 919 has 32° which I think is two strong now the 921 has 31° , when will the madness end...
I took out my old MP33s just for kicks. I know it’s a different line but the 7 iron in that is a 36!
@@Yyh85
Wow and yet the manufacturer has the ordasitty to call a 29° or even 28 ° a 7 iron the lofts are becoming nuts ....
For what its worth, my launch angle with the 921 hmp is 19-20° and descent angle is 40-45°. It just depends on your angle of attack. That’s what i was scared about choosing the hmp pro, i have the i200 with 33° on my 7 iron. Launch angle is 22° which is really high so i was given a stronger loft to compensate with my swing.(which is the 921 hmp)
I was always a fan of mizuno clubs before B.C. played them.
I like you as a person, but you're boring infront of the camera. Sort that out and your stats will improve greatly. Wishing you the best 👍 👍
Thanks for your feedback.
Club twirl - VOMIT
Please don't wear moire shirts on camera. Thanks.
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