I am Adventist. I find the abuse suffered by these men deeply disturbing. My heart bleeds for these men. The church, in this instance my denomination, has a responsibility to protect people before it protects its reputation. These boys should have been protected. May we never, ever repeat this history.
Same with many institutions from education to law and the RCC is the worst at hiding this. Atheists and so called religious are involved across the globe... when teachers and doctors or police and judges and stars do it, it's not as bad to my most peopleas the church is meant to be a safe place with godly people. Many sick people are in the church... as outside battling with all these perversion and evil. Some don't battle and so what they like. It is sickening. I can't see how any decent human could allow a predator to continue. I wonder if it was their kids in danger if they would hide it
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC. This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE". But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices. I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues. "Do you really care" However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people. These issues are in many other none SDA church. I pray we the church will wake up
You should not be furious. There are psychos and perverted people everywhere and they are sipping in to the churches to get preys. Just see how many narcissists target Christians. In the UK, the South England Conference insists to take a course about safeguarding children and in our congregation most of us are doing it. We, today, unfortunately cannot do anything with the past, but we can be wiser, and more aware to protect the new generations. 🙏
@@lovelysosweet8386 You are judging a book from its cover. I guarantee you, there are many more strict, honest, moral Adventists, who are born again and got baptised in adulthood by their own choice then in many other Christian congregation. (I know, I have been to many.) And there were reasons why I chose the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, to anchor here.
As Seventh Adventist, this is disgusting and evil to a degree I can't understand. Why would church leaders ignore reports and just transfer the guy to another region, that is disgusting behavior and I hope anyone who is still alive and is found to have not acted to stop this evil man should be held to account, prosecuted for failing to perform a sacred duty as a leader of the church. If they have any moral fiber left they would resign any office in the church. This prominent leader who told the young boys to keep quite must be named, shamed and prosecuted as a accessory to this evil
As an sda, I’m disgusted too. Please pray for them all, for healing and importantly for their love and trust to remain in our almighty Saviour Jesus Christ 🥹🙏❤️
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC. This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE". But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices. I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues. "Do you really care" However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people. These issues are in many other none SDA church. I pray we the church will wake up
Robert! You don't know me, but your content-specifically the video 'The Mark of the Beast Is Not a Microchip'-precipitated my conversion to Adventism! I really miss watching your content. I just thought I would share my testimony here since I live in the U.S. and never had the opportunity to thank you personally for creating that video, which ultimately led to my walk with the Lord under the umbrella of Seventh-day Adventism. Perhaps one day you will go back to creating more content on your channel! May the Lord bless you!
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC. This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE". But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices. I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues. "Do you really care" However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people. These issues are in many other none SDA church. I pray we the church will wake up
Oh yes , supposed elders who were supoposed to be role models to the young people, but were sleeping around, cheating on their wives! We know many demonisation and church's have had issues and scandals but the SDA act like they are the true Church and yet when things like this happen they want to hush up everyone, like God can't see @@particledimension3755
Evil persists when good men do nothing. Sinners & hypocrites hide in religious groups, schools, clubs, sports, medical, neighborhoods, and families. Humans can be evil.
@@earlysda Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone. The rich young ruler approached Jesus and asked, “What good thing must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus answered, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only One who is good.” Are you calling Jesus a liar?
@@ImAskinGOD44givenessHowAboutU Im, sad to see you rush to judgment, when you currently don't understand the point under discussion. . Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth. Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. . Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? . 1John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. .
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC. This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE". But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices. I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues. "Do you really care" However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people. These issues are in many other none SDA church. I pray we the church will wake up
I am an Adventist Pastor and am deeply sorrowful. These men did not deserve this betrayal and, I am ashamed of my church for its reticence in responding to their pleas for help. I knew the perpetrator also and am amazed that a man of such talents and stature could cherish this fatal flaw for so long and hurt so many trusting children. He served in positions of leadership and influence and abused the power entrusted to him. As a Minister I am always aware of the trust reposed in me by my congregants, the belief that ‘Pastor’ truly represents the God we teach about. I am also aware of my own frailties and know the absolute necessity of daily surrender to the Power of God. Sometimes we take our eyes off the Savior and become victims to our human weaknesses. I believe that above our ability to preach and teach, to administer and organize and, despite our charm and charisma, Pastors who believe they have been called by God for this special ministry need to first find the God who heals, for themselves and then set about sharing this joy and hope with the people they serve. My church owes these brothers and all the victims of this broken leader sincere apologies and perhaps something more.
The pastor “representing God,” is fundamental to the problem. It sets up the children to be at the mercy of pedophiles. When churches move the pedophiles around or publicly defend the church’s right not to punish or turn in their pedophiles to police, they are informing other pedophiles that the church is a haven for rape
@ivorharry6372 The victimizers love your recipe: complete surrender to “God,” and the pastor represents God. So complete submission to the pastors. You are part of the problem.
You should have got rid of him. You are already frightened of some of us church members who would have taken revenge if anything like that had happened to us as children.
Lord please help me to raise my son in honesty and to give him a safe space to speak to me in any moment. Please protect our babies from predators who come in sheep clothing and lure our babies to this level of pain and fear
As a Seventh Day Adventist, this is so disturbing! This person should had been terminated, charged and locked up and not be allowed to continue on even that long. 😢😭🥺🥺 May the Lord give comfort to these man. My heart goes out to you. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
The church has a disgusting habit of not listening when abuse is reported, but when enough people complain they move the abusive 'pastor' to another district or country, so guess what happens when they are moved? They leave a trail of destruction in multiple churches.
This is exactly what they do, I have very close friends that went through something similar and the church just moved the pastor (s) to a different church and some may get money for their silence. But to be fair it happens in other churches as well, not just the SDA church.
@HomeEduSchool True. They seem to move and export them to other countries like the Catholic Church to prey on unsuspecting innocents, and usually in poorer countries in Asia, Africa, South and Central America.
It's not just men who were abused. I went to the church when a Pastor abused me. They protected him. Moved him to other churches and wanted me to keep repeating the trauma that I endured as a part of their 'investigation'. I reported it to the police as well, who eventually dropped the case as it was deemed to be a case of "he said, she said'. I cannot forget the secondary abuse the church piled on me during my interactions with them on this matter. They suggested I 'pray with them' to help the matter be resolved. Then they engaged a solicitor to intimidate me with letters and other contact. The SDA church organisation remains a complicit party in the abuse perpetrated by the pastors it continues to shield behind the pulpit.
The same thing happened to me in the US. I told my mother, she went to the Northeastern Conference, they did an investigation, I "testified" at a board meeting in which the pastor's wife took the minutes. Tears streamed down her face. I thought it was so insensitive, the way they treated her. I wasn't the only teen to testify of abuse. Even my own mother had been approached. He said he would sue for character assassination. They moved him. To my knowledge, he retired from the Northeastern Conference with a full pension. This all happened 50 years ago in the early 70's. What a shame.
Pedophilia is rampant in families, churches, schools, community organizations, and every setting globally. It is important to protect children at all times and teach parents that every person, family, and religiious folks included, can endanger children. Protect children. Listen to them. Keep them away from others. Do not trust anyone to be alone with your child. Demons walk along us.
I agree and I’m starting to wonder why it’s so rampant? What’s happening to these men’s minds that’s makes them act in this way? It needs to be studied because it’s everywhere.
@missshamz Sexual assault is a crime of opportunity, just like car accidents happen because people are on the road. Some parents abuse their children while other parents believe that other adults and children will be naturally inclined to protect all children. The reality is simple: every child is at risk of harm, and if more adults take that attitude, they will close the windows of opportunity
What's CRAZY to me is that everytime a pedophile is finally "found out" it is years and years later...no matter from a church or a family member or work, no matter what institution it is...they constantly hide it!!?? 😢😡
@@33patrique SPEAK UP because these matters go largely unheard for years because the people who know can't speak because the victims won't give them permission. If you can't or are afraid to speak, let someone else speak up on your behalf.
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC. This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE". But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices. I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues. "Do you really care" However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people. These issues are in many other none SDA church. I pray we the church will wake up
All Church denominations have this problem. When men gain power in any realm, some will abuse their power. This is a Biblical theme all thoughout the Bible. It's a shame that these men are not held accountable in this world, but believe me they will be held accountable at the end of this world. Also any in the Church that turned a blind eye to these atrocious acts will be held accountable as if they did the act themselves. Prayers for those of God's children that have been abused! Praise God Always! 🙏
'As an Adventist, I have worked in child protection including chairing child protection conferences for many years. Frankly, if I was working for the conference safeguarding team, there would be a lot changes to the pathetic approach that was adopted. What needs to be noted is that the perpetrator was allowed to get away with it by others who told the victims to keep quiet. The perpetrator is deceased however, if the people who told the men to be quiet, they need to answer for their stupidity. It is disgusting that it had to come to these traumatised men to bring the matter to public attention before the SEC came out with a statement. Where were they pre the news. What needs to be noted was that the day prior to the news, I told a woman that I am a SDA and her response was that she never heard of the SDA however, the following afternoon, she now has. One abuse, is one to many and I would not slate the denomination for a minority of predictors. We just need to ensure that predators recieve the message that the SDA church is a no go zone. Remember, all denominations have had predators and predators are in the world as well therefore, we need to ensure that our young people know that it is alright to speak out and adults need to act on what that child has disclosed rather than telling them to be quiet.
This man left that church in the 70's.. 50+ years ago. Almost all the people who would have shielded him are also now dead or close to death. The only thing the church can do now is make necessary changes going forward incl support given to the victims and any others who will come forward as a result of their bravery. I work in CP too and would advise that those of us with necessary exp get involved with the safeguarding process at conference level, as the issues continue to persist in local churches and cannot realistically be overseen by one person.
@@Hotgyal90291 I totally agree with you on this matter. Learning about CP in a lecture is more challenging when it comes to practice. Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. There are perpetrators who will take advantage of the church fellowship to get their way, as Christians we are trusting, may be too trusting.
@sonson3739 Was there such a thing as "Child protection" back in the 1960s and 70s? If you are old enough to remember police record checks for school teachers in the UK have only been mandatory since 1986. Plus that doctor chap had no criminal record. Also, don't forget, before the late 1990s, it was perfectly legal for school teachers in the UK to date their pupils provided the pupil was 16. But what that doctor chap did at the time was still illegal because the age of consent for gays before the late 1990s was 21 not 16.
If you are a victim reading this, you are not invisible and you are not alone. It’s NOT your fault that someone took advantage of you and betrayed your trust. I want you all to pay attention to how this man felt because someone believed him. I hope and pray that they heal, it’s not easy to come forward and put yourself out there. I pray that more people will feel support and encouraged to share their story. For the perpetrators and people who covered it up remember these verses: Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
It was so heartbreaking to see the pain that is still evident after so many years. The impact of sexual abuse is devasting. We cannot be silent or hide perpetrators. I hope these men will continue to heal.
@@Bourne-fu8bz I’m not sure what part of what I said you thought was BS but I agree wholeheartedly that these type of situations should be reported to the police immediately.
I cried hard watching this! That's my cousin Michael. This is the first time hearing of this. But I know of Dr Kelly very well. I listened to some of his health lectures at my church. I am so proud of these men speaking out on what the church has covered up for so long. Chiswick SDA was my Daddy's church when he came over from Grenada around the same time as Michael's mother who is his sister. I have so much to say on this, so much!
@@karmepresh915 ...naming specific churches helps to route out the cover up. It is disturbing that you are 'wondering" about naming specific churches. What are you trying to protect/hide?
I’m so shocked and deeply feel for the victims, Mr .Smith was my IT teacher when I was at school. I just didn’t expect to see this very heart breaking 😢
I am an Adventist and this is abhorrent. He died too soon. Disgusting Disgusting Disgusting. The church cannot be blamed for one man's nasty behavior. I am so sorry my brothers this is not God's will. Those people who hid the evidence should be locked up and charged.
@@angelk19 Oh i see they cant can they. Lets play that scenario out shall we, because you guys are playing the exact same deflective blame game as the Jehovahs Witnesses - another cult that does what you are doing. Imagine the scenario.. Child approaches Jesus and says Child - "Im being r**ed continually by a church elder, i dont know what to do Jesus, i might just commit suicide" Jesus - "Yes probably best to keep this under wraps for the sake of the church" Will you get a grip of yourselves! Ill leave you with this. "And you shall know them with the love they have for one another" You like the pervert are just as disgusting for defending CHurch Policy. May God for you both @deniesesealey9125 @angelk19
I am also SDA and the church should be blamed. This case is only the tip of the iceberg and the church protects them. We all know this. To say otherwise is to be part of the problem.
As a Seventh Day Adventist, I am disgusted. The blatant disregard for the children in the conference and elsewhere is shocking and saddening. Years and years of complaints - no action is taken, victims are not believed, children are told not to say anything? The fact he did this nonsense not only in the UK but even abroad is deeply angering. The church needs to do better. Worried about their image instead of fixing the problem. Sad. And now the abuser is gone, so no justice. The church indeed let them down.
Heard of a man that had a dui.. was fired from an SDA school in because of it and conveniently found another job in California in an SDA school.. molested a boy for years in that school..after a time went to the authorities several years back I heard the church was being sued by the parents. Shame on the SDA leadership that are not taking initiatives to remove abusive behavior.. God will deal with them. Justice will be. Parents do not trust leaders or anyone alone with your children. No one can tell me that with all the tithe money that’s received there can’t be leaders paid to investigate and remove convicted abusers. Money corrupts.. and well this is terrible. Our faith must be in Jesus alone not the Adventist church
@@Crabtree1844 Crab, very true. Ellen White writes that if we keep supporting ministers we know to be bad, then we are partakers of their sins they commit (paraphrasing).
@@earlysda dude how horrible! I have found theological issues with Sda theology via Answering Adventism UA-cam podcast. This has been my church since birth.. now I see clearly it can no longer be. God bless you on your journey friend.
Studied at Oxford, people trusted the enemy who came like wolves dressed in sheep clothing. Too many rich people or those with money are placed on pedestals simply because of an opulent background. Absolutely Outrageously Diabolical. Prejudice is just too prevalent in our society and it's a major problem
what a disgrace . A nasty man once again being covered by the Church this time The Seven Days Adventist. Now he is dead & can't face justice or his victims face to face for his crimes . I hope one day his numerous victims will get justice . may Goods grace be with the victims .
Have you never noticed that it is much easier to accuse people that are dead? Even when the allegations are true you wonder why people wait so long to complain.
As a victim of sexual abuse, this hurts my heart to see this. You come to recognize that profession does not make a Christian..Jesus makes Christians. No matter, Adventist, Catholics, Baptist, all are subject to these horrible things if they are not under the control of Christ.
This is 60+ years of trauma. I hope the victims receive their closure. The UK Black church needs to stop letting things like this get brushed under the carpet
The predator is exactly like Jimmy Savile. I know I'm not a survivor but I am an SDA and this disgusts me. Why on earth would 2 predators in the UK get away with predatory behaviour. The real problem is that people knew about Donald Kelly's crimes but they never spoke about it. I hope the victims are at peace now.
1. Be by your child side at all times at church 2. Children if someone touches you you stand up and shout in the middle of sabbath service loud " so and so touch me"
No, it's school workers and social workers and football coaches and scouts leaders and anywhere perps have access to vulnerable people including children. It's not just churches, but it can be churches.
This year has really been a year for shedding light in dark places. I pray that the victims find peace and that the SDA church does not continue to protect the abusers in our midst. There should be no hiding place for such evil.
Dr Don Kelly was a teacher at SDA Independent college in Fiji. He was dismissed by Abraham Simpson who was in charge of the college on allegations of the sexual abuse of students. He has never been reported to the local authorities. Shortly after he left the island.
@@sherylsuperchannel9048 He also visited NZ a couple of times. I personally heard him preaching at the camp meeting near lake Taupo. It was prior to dismissal.
He got away with decades of this. Always tell you kids to tell you if someone does something and never allow these "pastors" or anyone you don't know around your kids alone.
In the comment made by the commentator on not trusting anybody with their child, I was trying to elicit the stance of the commentator on intra -familial child sexual abuse. The commentator may not be aware that nine-out-of-ten children have been sexually abused by someone they know, or are related to; and that abuse invariably occurs either in the child’s home or the abuser’s home. Insiders pose a greater danger.
SDA's need better policies to protect our children. Protect our young adults to protect everyone. The predators need accountability. Please remember that the church is not made up of only predators, but there are a lot of innocent people too .
I'm favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $230k every 4weeks! I now have a big mansion and can now afford anything and also support God’s work and the church.
Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!
I started pretty low, though, $5000 thereabouts. The return came massive. Joey is in school doing well, telling me of new friends he's meeting in school. Thank you Evelyn Vera, you're a miracle.
Having gone to SDA school all my life, my heart hurts to know this story. There are evil people in every religious denomination! Sooo Sorry doe these men🥺
wow I know this man ,he was choir director at the Kencot SDA Church at one time...a lot of folks thought he was "Funny". This is a bad thing and the church covered it up
What do you mean with funny? Like something was off with him? Thats your first alarm system intuition if you find someone a bit off. Horrible abuses you cant hide from your spirit other people will pick up on something.
A victim support group should be formed to be help these men release, and pour out these emotions. Many have been hurt across the world by this evil man
I am an Adventist and extremely sad for those victims. May God bring emotional healing for them. May God bring judgement on those who are responsible for the hurt.
To all the abused, there is justice, just not here on the temporary side. God will have the final say, my heart goes out to you. These things should never be covered up. Churches need to do better. There are some that speak about these things and provide resources, unfortunately not enough.
THERE IS NO DAY OF JUDGEMENT NO DAY OF RECKONING. GOD WILL HAVE NO FINAL SAY FOR HE DOES NOT EXIST. YOUR BELIEF IS JUST A SOOTHER DESIGNED TO PACIFY VICTIMS SO THEY TAKE NO ACTION. THOSE IN POWER NEED AND WANT TO CONTROL SOCIETY. MEN RUNNING AROUND WITH VENGENCE IN THEIR HEART TAKES AWAY THAT CONTROL.
As an Adventist, I'm appalled that these men went through this trauma, we need to fish out every questionable character not only in the clergy but in every rank of the church. I'll advocate sensitizing members and making changes to church policy to take into account such occurrences, these weak men preying on kids tend to hide in plain sight. May God heal all those that have been hurt by this and any other wolf in sheep's clothing.
@mrmichaelson: These courageous survivors have been trying to get justice for decades. It was not an isolated incident, this is over half a century of abuse of many boys and collusion by the church to cover it up and intimidate the victims. No mention at all of debunking Christianity. If this is your version of Christianity, it should be debunked. Your comments are egregious & inflammatory and you should be ashamed of yourself. It is said the worse advert for Christianity are Christians, and you sir & Don Kelly are abominations. To try and minimise the trauma of these brave individuals by saying it is old history, is reprehensible. I hope your god grants you the mercy you do not see fit to grant these gentlemen. You are an apologist. a religious sycophant and a milquetoast.
What a disappointment on the SDA church. How can such a thing happen to these innocent children in our church. They should pay and those who are still alive who knew of it and also took part should be locked up and charged. Sick my stomach.
The SEC owed those boys a duty of care which the failed miserably. The repeated failure of the church to protect the boys is unforgivable and disingenuous of the faith professed. Instead the negligent actions protected a predator rather than the innocent children. What about Matthew 18:6 or Luke 17:2, does the SDA church not recognise these biblical instructions? Shame on everyone in the SDA church who turns a blind eye to predators and fail to protect the children.
Your SEC Seventh Day Adventist president has apologised to the men that were brutally sexually abused by their pastor, I am wondering whether they have also offered to compensate the damage that was inflicted upon these men. The church knew exactly what was happening but refused to protect young boys but instead they continued to send him to different regions where he continued abusing young boys. This is still happening in SDA both boys and girls are being abused by those in authority and nothing is done. Is this the reason why the comments on the presidents apology site has been turned off because people are going to express their concerns?
As a Seventh Day Adventist, I am sorry to hear what happened to you. I am ashamed that there was no action taken. But I also want you to know we have many false Christians and terrible people marching as Christians in many churches and other religious groups. The Church is not the leaders, the church are the brothers and sister who outnumber the leaders. I pray you find the satisfaction in being able to voice your experience. Hope it brings some sort of relief and peace.
@@7thdayman This is not about other churches now. This is about the SDA church that calls itself the remnant and only church who keeps the commandments. This should be a lesson not to boast about any religious institution but to think yourself of the least of these, giving God the glory
@michelledaley28 seems even you yourself need to follow your "least of these". There was nothing boastful about what I said above. I am a 7th day adventist and I am sad about the situation and what transpired and was just saying the abuse is prevalent all across christendom. That is it. What is boastful in that?
@@earlysda assuming you are an Adventist that lives in America, I suppose if this kind of stuff is happening and the church is supporting it, that you all who are experiencing it protest. No abortion, or LGBTQ issues here in Belize. Thats is why say the people is the church. If you want your leaders to tighten up you need to protest. By Gods grace we are not seeing all these things in Belize. Everywhere is different with different challenges. Without "Boasting" we pray that we are able to handle it different when it comes knocking at our doors.
Heartbreaking, this unfortunately is still happening not just in the Seventh day Adventist but many other church and organization. And we society needs to be vigilant to protect children from such predators. My heart goes out to all victims. The church must be proactive in this matters. not to mention this where dark days, of racism, just devastating.
I dare say this is a pattern in many institutions. Mainly in the UK like; the Police, NHS or catholic churches.. When people from such organisations commit despicable crimes, the organisation use their might and resources to victimise the victim calling the victims crazy or liars rather than dealing with the issue. The organisations allowed the perpetrator to continue with their crimes until its becames clear as daylight then say we didn't know this was happening to cover up.
Wolves in sheeps clothing. Abominable. Dont blame SDAs for this criminals and others like him behavior. Be aware it happens everywhere in all places where children are gathered and despicable people are in power over them. I appreciate your reporting this. Most heinous.
Actually we can. They are no different than the other 'Babylonion churches' and Christians they accuse and slander with not keeping the commandments and have the audacity to claim they are the exclusive 'remnant church'.
I have 3 children ages 24, 20, and seven, and they have never even been on a sleepover. Their frie ds came to sleepover at my house and but kine never go. I know i would never hurt anyone, especially children, but I don't trust anyone with my children. My heart goes out to these men. Why would mothers send their kids away with other people like this.
This is so horrifying 😮! This angers me beyond anything else. Demons in charge of the church. Too many times people are aware and stay quiet so as to not disturb the status quo. It's sickening!!!
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12 Christ has warned us in the Bible that there will be spiritual wickedness in high places. High places are the places where there is religious worship, whether pagan temples or Christian churches (see Leviticus 16:30; Numbers 22:41; 1 Kings 3:3, etc).
Satan always seeks to use men in high religious positions, as he knows that here he can cause the most damage, especially in God's church. Both leadership and laymen have a responsibility to keep the church pure, but because most church leaders and laymen are living ungodly lives themselves, they become desensitized to evil, and excuse the wrongs of others. And so, the Lord is not to blame, but the people to whom He has entrusted responsibilities to represent Him, who are supposed to lovingly protect and safeguard others. They are unfaithful to their duty. God has allowed this matter to be exposed to the world because His people have failed to do their duty. My only advice is that those who have any responsibility in the church be faithful to their trust. God is not interested in position, but character. It is time to stop lifting up doctor this, or professor that, and rather to lift up Jesus. It is the worship of men, not the worship of the Creator who gives men talents and abilities, this is one of the main causes of Donald Kelly's downfall. Jesus said: "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" - Luke 18:8 Now we can see why He has said this. Who truly is faithfully serving God in these last days, and fighting against evil, especially against the evil that is within His church? To all the victims involved with this matter, the Lord lovingly states: "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." - Romans 12:19. This is not a get-out clause for those who are responsible to safeguard others not to do anything, rather, it is to let us know that when God's people have done their part, the Lord Himself will finally settle matters in accordance to His will.
@@user-wr8yo8du2yRevelation 22:2 NIV. down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And "the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations."
REALLY CALL A SPADE A SPADE....REMEMBER AFTER THE 1ST ASSAULT HE TOOK THE CHILD TO PRAY/PREY...& NOW THE VICTIMS BROTHER GEOFFREY DOING SAME IN CHISWICK SDA, HANDSWORTH SDA & AT CAMP MEETINGS..
Unfortunately, there might be individuals with bad intentions in every institution. It is important to differentiate though between the organization with its principles, vision and goals, and some people who may work in it and may commit actions deserving due punishment.
@@shaunmulligan8717 loving one another doesn't mean you have to invite members of the church to your house tell them your business it also says in the Bible that you shouldn't trust your friend. Micah7:5 do not trust in your friend do not put your confidence in a companion guard the doors of your mouth from her who lies in your bosom. Please don't message me back because as a Christian I'm not allowed to argue and your comment is argumentative goodbye
@@FollowingJesus17 It’s tragic when you as a follower of Christ forsake the fellowship of your brothers and sisters in Christ. When you became a member of the church of Christ, you became part of the body of Christ. “For as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.” (Romans 12).
I'm noticing there is a pattern with people in power. Parents think they are doing the right thing by giving "successful" people access to their children. Peoples academic or religious accomplishments do not make them good people. Protect your babies. Church is not better than you.😊
I left the SDA church when I realised that SDAs are the most abusive group of people I have ever encountered. Although this video is dealing with abuse of a sexual nature, Adventists also often subject other members of the church to psychological abuse. This is my personal experience. I have many relatives who are SDA, including one who is a pastor, and I'd say that all of them have displayed abusive & hypocritical behaviour, but some how think that going to church on Sabbath is going to save them.
What's the sabbath got to do with it? Sunday keepers think they'll be saved going to church and not even keeping Sunday holy and not keeping the commandments as they are nailed to the cross etc. You've got issues with the true God not just the people. There's good and bad in every denomination. See the Catholic Church? Atheists are abusers etc. Same thing with every religion persuaded people to get the jab... at behest of evil overlords including the papacy. Wake up.
as a sda i must say you are correct, that's why i just try to focus my eye on Christ and not on other members. i don't put my trust on people or the church or on pastors. i felt bad for the victims of the abuse. it could really happen anywhere even at home.
@@deffmatic JESUS DIDN'T GO TO CHURCH SO YOUR EYE AINT ON HIM..HE BEAT EVILDOERS IN CHURCH & NEVER WENT BACK..YOUR TYTHES HELP TO KEEP THE SYSTEM GOING & YOUR PRESENCE SHAME ON YOU..
@@deffmaticvery true. Christ is the focus...He is the only one that can save us. May God heal the victims. The church needs to do better in handling abuse cases
You may also want to explore what happened at the schools in this country that took in the Windrush kids in the 50's, a lot of them were SA'd but never spoke up.
I grew up in the adventist church and still remain the church. But i do see with these victims. As a young married woman having issues, i went to my church pastor at that time. Instead he tried kissing and touching me. I went home, didnt tell my husband because i was scared. I found the courage to tell him, which cause him and i to go to the confrerence pastorial director. Who refuse to accept that their best pastor was doing that. The Sda church have alot that they have been condoning. But i thank God that i still remain faithful to him and not man who are sinful beings😢😢
....you must be dense. The same reason why many people fear speaking out against church leaders. In fact, even P Diddy is a great example of why people dont speak up...because the person is in a position of power
@Crabtree1844 what a narcissistic tone deaf comment. No empathy or sympathy for the issue she reported, just trying to pivot the issue away from the nasty pastor! People and comments like yours are exactly why issues like this are covered up. Part of the problem not the solution! An apologist for bad behaviour.
@@Crabtree1844 the shame that's trained into us and the idea that we as women/girls (yes girls) lead a man to sin by simply existing...does a fckn number on your psyche
This is not good enough! And it is not the first time this has happened either! I grew up SDA, I remember we had camp meeting and the parents were warned that their was a pedophile amongst the congregation so parents should keep watch of their children! Although they managed to kick him out and call the police, he should have never been on the premises in the first place! Also in this documentary why wasn't Don Kelly's right hand man mentioned ? The one that told these poor boys that they should keep hush? He should be jailed !!!!!
It is absolutely detestable to have done such horrible things to these men in their youth. Donald Kelly is a predator and should be held fully responsible for his ungodly actions!
I am so very sorry for these gentlemen as victims of such horrific abuse. God says" Vengeance is mind, I will replay." I hope these gentlemen will still find hope in Christ.
These appalling cases highlight the importance of Fathers in the family home. The paedophile, seemed to target those without their fathers. Utterly disgusting.
That’s terrible. The church should address this monthly in church. Parents need to understand the importance of protecting their kids by preventing this.
I’m so, so sorry for what you suffered. The church should be a place of safety. The church system has not demonstrated Christ-like love by covering up abuse and perpetrators.
Mr Smith was my IT teacher at secondary school (I went to an SDA school) . He was a wonderful teacher and a wonderful man. We are absolutely heartbroken and infuriated for him ...
Expecting an honest answer on this subject from a church? You must be pretty naive to believe that... Nr 1 goal for any church is to protect themselves - not to support the victims. Everytime it's the same... all churches are the same, though the stricter their teachings the more extreme the abuse.... And also the stronger the push to keep all "internal" (=silence victims and advice the abuser to get better at covering up) and don't forget to put the blame on the victims.... Bad news is that we'll read the exact same stories as long as we treat churches as something special and not like just any other organisation or club of people: get rid of special rights for religious organisations - we (as people) should demand higher checks on organisations that care for children and other people that depend and rely on services provided by those organisations. Giving these clubs special treatment only helps abusers to get access to victims and get away with it
What people need to do is not to delegate their responsibilities. Wherher in church or not, look after your children and most important, if you can't be there, talk to them, listen and enquire. You can pick up this early if you're a proper parent. Satan and his demons and their agents are guests at every meeting and gathering, including churches. The bible warns us to be sober and vigilant. A man tried the same on me at his place.. But met a stiff resistance even though I was just probably 13yrs old. Didn't report it as could not understand what had just happened.. I was somewhat afraid all night as he had asked my mom that I sleep at his place. I had been looking after his place when he was away. I drawn to believe the account of this men.
Just what we need is more publicity because our leaders can't control themselves or take responsibility for this evil... Please General Conference Leaders handle this properly and remove these evil infiltrators from our church. God's justice will take care of this man, and those who knew about this abuse and don't repent.
WHY ARE YOU SOME COMPLACENT STILL CONGREGATING WITH DEMONS, WHAT'S THE DIFFER BETWEEN sda & RC?? BOTHFULL OF PAEDOS COS DE GUY BRO GEOFFREY DOING SAME THING IN CHISWICK & HANDSWORH SDA & CAMP MEETINGS.. I AM A HAPPY LIBERATED EX SDA..ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME..
I'm very close to this story, I know the abuser and one of the victims on this film. I can't believe this. Never been so shocked in my entire life. 😢😢😮😮😮😮😮😮
I denounced my SDA status and this just made me more sure I did the right thing. 2020, I started to search the Scriptures and question the denomination foundation and decided to step away. I asked the Father YAHUAH in heaven to lead me to truth because time is at hand. Iam so sorry for all the people the was effected by this man amd the church. It's horrible. I pray for healing.
Protect your children from these sick ppl. He wasn’t taking my child anywhere , let alone without me. This has been going on in every church denomination for ages unfortunately.
ughhh gross and just so heartbreaking. I am an Adventist pastor. I take these things very seriously, and am so saddened how slowly the process has been to bring any consolation to these victims.1) If you see something say something! And don't stop till an investigation occurs and people are held to account and the truth is found. I have made sure on several accounts to get people removed from leadership and prosecuted for their actions. If someone isn't jailed and they flee to another country that can be very challenging to ensure they are not continuing their abusive behavior. 2) Parents need to be extremely cautious, whether it's at church or their neighborhood their kids are playing. Definitely don't allow your kids to sleep over anywhere with a person. 3) In my region in the US our administration has taken significant action to get people trained and volunteers live scanned/background checked. But the problem is that predators are rarely caught or they are first time predators so their names won't appear on a data base. So leaders dealing with kids need to be very diligent in vetting volunteers who work around kids.
I wonder how much of this has happened/ is happening in the black church? Would be absolutely taboo in that community, a community I know intimately, I would imagine victims would take their stories to the grave.
All the participants who told the boys to keep quiet and are still alive should be jailed.
I doubt the elders involved in the cover-up would still be alive.
damn good point
@@sharonclarke5371 I agree with you 100%
Absolutely 😢
I agree with you. They are accomplict in this matter
Parents! Do not ever trust your children to any one!
“Do not ever trust your children to anyone” / Does that include your partner, parents and grandparents?
EG White said ( edited in something like) this. No sleep overs etc
@@shaunmulligan8717I think he meant anyone.
@@shaunmulligan8717yes
Yes even in the Church we think it's a safe place but everyone is there for different reasons not everyone is converted
I am Adventist. I find the abuse suffered by these men deeply disturbing. My heart bleeds for these men. The church, in this instance my denomination, has a responsibility to protect people before it protects its reputation. These boys should have been protected. May we never, ever repeat this history.
Terrible, so sad.
Man said he is Adventist 😂😂
Same with many institutions from education to law and the RCC is the worst at hiding this. Atheists and so called religious are involved across the globe... when teachers and doctors or police and judges and stars do it, it's not as bad to my most peopleas the church is meant to be a safe place with godly people. Many sick people are in the church... as outside battling with all these perversion and evil. Some don't battle and so what they like. It is sickening.
I can't see how any decent human could allow a predator to continue. I wonder if it was their kids in danger if they would hide it
Sad indeed....
😢🫂
As a SDA I am furious. The church should have protected these vulnerable kids
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC.
This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE".
But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices.
I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues.
"Do you really care"
However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people.
These issues are in many other none SDA church.
I pray we the church will wake up
Me too. My heart is broken for them. 🙏🏽
May God restore all that was stolen from them, including their innocence and right over their person.
When I found out about Jehovah witnesses I left! Babylon the great the Bible say get out of her or you will share her plagues
You should not be furious. There are psychos and perverted people everywhere and they are sipping in to the churches to get preys. Just see how many narcissists target Christians.
In the UK, the South England Conference insists to take a course about safeguarding children and in our congregation most of us are doing it. We, today, unfortunately cannot do anything with the past, but we can be wiser, and more aware to protect the new generations. 🙏
@@lovelysosweet8386 You are judging a book from its cover. I guarantee you, there are many more strict, honest, moral Adventists, who are born again and got baptised in adulthood by their own choice then in many other Christian congregation. (I know, I have been to many.) And there were reasons why I chose the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, to anchor here.
As Seventh Adventist, this is disgusting and evil to a degree I can't understand. Why would church leaders ignore reports and just transfer the guy to another region, that is disgusting behavior and I hope anyone who is still alive and is found to have not acted to stop this evil man should be held to account, prosecuted for failing to perform a sacred duty as a leader of the church. If they have any moral fiber left they would resign any office in the church. This prominent leader who told the young boys to keep quite must be named, shamed and prosecuted as a accessory to this evil
God will judge them…
As a human being this is disgusting... no matter the denomination, social standing, race or whatever... DISGUSTING 😢
BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL IN THE SAME GAME....THEY ARE ALL INTO EVIL
As an sda, I’m disgusted too. Please pray for them all, for healing and importantly for their love and trust to remain in our almighty Saviour Jesus Christ 🥹🙏❤️
@@nataliejoan437 "remain"?
It is in EVERY church …bad people hide in good places … I hope all these people can heal … it’s so sad…
And secular institution too. Everywhere and it will get worse.
What about the indigenous children of Canada?
I agree!!! I would go as far as saying every religion and organisation where certain people are given power over other people!
You are exactly right. It is in EVERY CHURCH. The leaders are abusing the vulnerable people.
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC.
This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE".
But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices.
I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues.
"Do you really care"
However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people.
These issues are in many other none SDA church.
I pray we the church will wake up
I’m proud of the victims for having the courage to speak out. How awful! Words cannot express my feelings.
Robert! You don't know me, but your content-specifically the video 'The Mark of the Beast Is Not a Microchip'-precipitated my conversion to Adventism! I really miss watching your content. I just thought I would share my testimony here since I live in the U.S. and never had the opportunity to thank you personally for creating that video, which ultimately led to my walk with the Lord under the umbrella of Seventh-day Adventism. Perhaps one day you will go back to creating more content on your channel! May the Lord bless you!
@@Anointed4ThisPurpose
Aww, thank you!
I hope to continue making videos for UA-cam after I publish my first book. 🙏🏻
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC.
This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE".
But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices.
I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues.
"Do you really care"
However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people.
These issues are in many other none SDA church.
I pray we the church will wake up
Oh yes , supposed elders who were supoposed to be role models to the young people, but were sleeping around, cheating on their wives!
We know many demonisation and church's have had issues and scandals but the SDA act like they are the true Church and yet when things like this happen they want to hush up everyone, like God can't see
@@particledimension3755
You took the words out of my mouth! 😢
Evil persists when good men do nothing. Sinners & hypocrites hide in religious groups, schools, clubs, sports, medical, neighborhoods, and families. Humans can be evil.
Nobody is good but GOD
@@ImAskinGOD44givenessHowAboutU Im, Many people in the Holy Bible are called "righteous".
@@earlysda Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone. The rich young ruler approached Jesus and asked, “What good thing must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus answered, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only One who is good.”
Are you calling Jesus a liar?
@@ImAskinGOD44givenessHowAboutU Im, sad to see you rush to judgment, when you currently don't understand the point under discussion.
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Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
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Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
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1John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
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Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC.
This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE".
But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices.
I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues.
"Do you really care"
However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people.
These issues are in many other none SDA church.
I pray we the church will wake up
Kelly is dead but there are a lot of folks still alive here in Jamaica who aid and abetted his behavior, these people must be held accountable.
I am an Adventist Pastor and am deeply sorrowful. These men did not deserve this betrayal and, I am ashamed of my church for its reticence in responding to their pleas for help. I knew the perpetrator also and am amazed that a man of such talents and stature could cherish this fatal flaw for so long and hurt so many trusting children. He served in positions of leadership and influence and abused the power entrusted to him. As a Minister I am always aware of the trust reposed in me by my congregants, the belief that ‘Pastor’ truly represents the God we teach about. I am also aware of my own frailties and know the absolute necessity of daily surrender to the Power of God. Sometimes we take our eyes off the Savior and become victims to our human weaknesses. I believe that above our ability to preach and teach, to administer and organize and, despite our charm and charisma, Pastors who believe they have been called by God for this special ministry need to first find the God who heals, for themselves and then set about sharing this joy and hope with the people they serve. My church owes these brothers and all the victims of this broken leader sincere apologies and perhaps something more.
You are all the same…
The pastor “representing God,” is fundamental to the problem. It sets up the children to be at the mercy of pedophiles. When churches move the pedophiles around or publicly defend the church’s right not to punish or turn in their pedophiles to police, they are informing other pedophiles that the church is a haven for rape
@ivorharry6372 The victimizers love your recipe: complete surrender to “God,” and the pastor represents God. So complete submission to the pastors.
You are part of the problem.
You should have got rid of him. You are already frightened of some of us church members who would have taken revenge if anything like that had happened to us as children.
You knew him …were you aware of his assault and abuse? Did you think too highly of him to considered the accusation ?
Lord please help me to raise my son in honesty and to give him a safe space to speak to me in any moment. Please protect our babies from predators who come in sheep clothing and lure our babies to this level of pain and fear
Don't allow your children to spend the night with anyone.
@@crystal9626That’s the advice we all need to hear as parents! Thanks!
As a Seventh Day Adventist, this is so disturbing! This person should had been terminated, charged and locked up and not be allowed to continue on even that long. 😢😭🥺🥺
May the Lord give comfort to these man. My heart goes out to you. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
The church has a disgusting habit of not listening when abuse is reported, but when enough people complain they move the abusive 'pastor' to another district or country, so guess what happens when they are moved? They leave a trail of destruction in multiple churches.
Indeed
This is exactly what they do, I have very close friends that went through something similar and the church just moved the pastor (s) to a different church and some may get money for their silence. But to be fair it happens in other churches as well, not just the SDA church.
For some reason the church wants to protect the wrong people. When someone breaks the law it needs to be dealt with properly
Yup. This is the standard in the SDA church. It is ingrained into its system.
@HomeEduSchool True. They seem to move and export them to other countries like the Catholic Church to prey on unsuspecting innocents, and usually in poorer countries in Asia, Africa, South and Central America.
How brave of these men to tell their stories thank you for raising awareness to such an important issue 👏🏾 ❤
It's not just men who were abused.
I went to the church when a Pastor abused me. They protected him. Moved him to other churches and wanted me to keep repeating the trauma that I endured as a part of their 'investigation'.
I reported it to the police as well, who eventually dropped the case as it was deemed to be a case of "he said, she said'.
I cannot forget the secondary abuse the church piled on me during my interactions with them on this matter.
They suggested I 'pray with them' to help the matter be resolved. Then they engaged a solicitor to intimidate me with letters and other contact.
The SDA church organisation remains a complicit party in the abuse perpetrated by the pastors it continues to shield behind the pulpit.
I believe you!
The same thing happened to me in the US. I told my mother, she went to the Northeastern Conference, they did an investigation, I "testified" at a board meeting in which the pastor's wife took the minutes. Tears streamed down her face. I thought it was so insensitive, the way they treated her. I wasn't the only teen to testify of abuse. Even my own mother had been approached. He said he would sue for character assassination. They moved him. To my knowledge, he retired from the Northeastern Conference with a full pension. This all happened 50 years ago in the early 70's. What a shame.
A different pastor abused my younger sister at the same church. I'm still a believer, but not in man.
@@mereese1 I'm so sorry you've also experienced the repeated trauma at thr hands of church officials.
so sorry this happened to you Marjorie
Pedophilia is rampant in families, churches, schools, community organizations, and every setting globally. It is important to protect children at all times and teach parents that every person, family, and religiious folks included, can endanger children. Protect children. Listen to them. Keep them away from others. Do not trust anyone to be alone with your child. Demons walk along us.
I agree and I’m starting to wonder why it’s so rampant? What’s happening to these men’s minds that’s makes them act in this way? It needs to be studied because it’s everywhere.
@missshamz Sexual assault is a crime of opportunity, just like car accidents happen because people are on the road. Some parents abuse their children while other parents believe that other adults and children will be naturally inclined to protect all children. The reality is simple: every child is at risk of harm, and if more adults take that attitude, they will close the windows of opportunity
How many other paedophiles are they hiding? Let what is done in dark be exposed
LOTS MORE, I AM A VICTIM TO CERTAIN EXTENT AND THE CHILD MOLESTER IS STILL WITH THE CONFERENCE 😭😭😭😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@33patrique ...continue to speak up and route him out. Silence protects the perpetrator and not the victim.
What's CRAZY to me is that everytime a pedophile is finally "found out" it is years and years later...no matter from a church or a family member or work, no matter what institution it is...they constantly hide it!!?? 😢😡
@@33patrique SPEAK UP because these matters go largely unheard for years because the people who know can't speak because the victims won't give them permission. If you can't or are afraid to speak, let someone else speak up on your behalf.
Very very sad and evil this was allowed to happen; however as a SDA, i have seen that cover up and allowed to continue runs through our church on so many different levels. And this is across the BUC.
This issue is sexual abuse. What about the many other issues in the church which is covered up or turned a blined eye to or allowed to continue, as if it is someone else's problem. Which has been brought to the attention of the church at large many times, but the majority of the memberes are set in their ways. From many leaders who do not lead and shepherd the church right to the majority of members who follow and accept the many bad standards. Have sda members looked at the many issues that effect the church on the local level up to conference level for decades. But when it is brought to the attention of the church; "thats all the people". The church does not speak out and work to put and end to these issues but continues as normal; often times saying these are not issues and move the issues away from them "send him to another country" and would often treat the messenger badly or the victims as liers..... BUT when something serious happens which comes to the general public attention. Yes the members will say it is evil and bad and say something should be done; "JUSTICE".
But can you tell me what are all of you doing about the other issues in the church within the BUC, which may not be as serious as sexual abuse "rape"; however as you all know, small bad practices can lead to great injustices.
I don't think any of you want me to name some of these issues.
"Do you really care"
However, what are you doing about them; are you like some of these leaders and people who have kept quite. Do you hold dear a man or women, church position, church name over, the "real love" and care of people.
These issues are in many other none SDA church.
I pray we the church will wake up
All Church denominations have this problem. When men gain power in any realm, some will abuse their power. This is a Biblical theme all thoughout the Bible. It's a shame that these men are not held accountable in this world, but believe me they will be held accountable at the end of this world. Also any in the Church that turned a blind eye to these atrocious acts will be held accountable as if they did the act themselves. Prayers for those of God's children that have been abused! Praise God Always! 🙏
It takes strength and bravery to stand up and speak out in such tight-knit communities... thank you for paving the way for others.
'As an Adventist, I have worked in child protection including chairing child protection conferences for many years. Frankly, if I was working for the conference safeguarding team, there would be a lot changes to the pathetic approach that was adopted.
What needs to be noted is that the perpetrator was allowed to get away with it by others who told the victims to keep quiet. The perpetrator is deceased however, if the people who told the men to be quiet, they need to answer for their stupidity.
It is disgusting that it had to come to these traumatised men to bring the matter to public attention before the SEC came out with a statement. Where were they pre the news.
What needs to be noted was that the day prior to the news, I told a woman that I am a SDA and her response was that she never heard of the SDA however, the following afternoon, she now has.
One abuse, is one to many and I would not slate the denomination for a minority of predictors. We just need to ensure that predators recieve the message that the SDA church is a no go zone.
Remember, all denominations have had predators and predators are in the world as well therefore, we need to ensure that our young people know that it is alright to speak out and adults need to act on what that child has disclosed rather than telling them to be quiet.
@@sonson3739
Excellently said. Amen!
This man left that church in the 70's.. 50+ years ago. Almost all the people who would have shielded him are also now dead or close to death. The only thing the church can do now is make necessary changes going forward incl support given to the victims and any others who will come forward as a result of their bravery. I work in CP too and would advise that those of us with necessary exp get involved with the safeguarding process at conference level, as the issues continue to persist in local churches and cannot realistically be overseen by one person.
@@Hotgyal90291 I totally agree with you on this matter. Learning about CP in a lecture is more challenging when it comes to practice. Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. There are perpetrators who will take advantage of the church fellowship to get their way, as Christians we are trusting, may be too trusting.
@@Hotgyal90291, I’m disgusted by the efforts of the church to remove videos relating to Don Kelly from the internet
@sonson3739 Was there such a thing as "Child protection" back in the 1960s and 70s?
If you are old enough to remember police record checks for school teachers in the UK have only been mandatory since 1986. Plus that doctor chap had no criminal record. Also, don't forget, before the late 1990s, it was perfectly legal for school teachers in the UK to date their pupils provided the pupil was 16. But what that doctor chap did at the time was still illegal because the age of consent for gays before the late 1990s was 21 not 16.
If you are a victim reading this, you are not invisible and you are not alone. It’s NOT your fault that someone took advantage of you and betrayed your trust.
I want you all to pay attention to how this man felt because someone believed him.
I hope and pray that they heal, it’s not easy to come forward and put yourself out there. I pray that more people will feel support and encouraged to share their story.
For the perpetrators and people who covered it up remember these verses:
Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
It was so heartbreaking to see the pain that is still evident after so many years. The impact of sexual abuse is devasting. We cannot be silent or hide perpetrators. I hope these men will continue to heal.
BS this should be reported to the police.
@@Bourne-fu8bz agreed
@@Bourne-fu8bz I’m not sure what part of what I said you thought was BS but I agree wholeheartedly that these type of situations should be reported to the police immediately.
I cried hard watching this! That's my cousin Michael. This is the first time hearing of this. But I know of Dr Kelly very well. I listened to some of his health lectures at my church. I am so proud of these men speaking out on what the church has covered up for so long. Chiswick SDA was my Daddy's church when he came over from Grenada around the same time as Michael's mother who is his sister. I have so much to say on this, so much!
I totally hear what you are saying. Just wondering if you should be naming specific churches, if the victims have chosen not to.
🙏
@@karmepresh915 Just wondering if you listened carefully, because if you did, you would have heard and seen in this interview the Chiswick SDA Church.
@@karmepresh915 ...naming specific churches helps to route out the cover up. It is disturbing that you are 'wondering" about naming specific churches. What are you trying to protect/hide?
@@Crabtree1844 THAT PART
I’m so shocked and deeply feel for the victims, Mr .Smith was my IT teacher when I was at school. I just didn’t expect to see this very heart breaking 😢
I am an Adventist and this is abhorrent. He died too soon. Disgusting Disgusting Disgusting. The church cannot be blamed for one man's nasty behavior. I am so sorry my brothers this is not God's will. Those people who hid the evidence should be locked up and charged.
Agreed. This man was a predator and should not have been protected.
@@deniesesealey9125 the church can be blamed for not reporting the abuse.
@@angelk19
Oh i see they cant can they. Lets play that scenario out shall we, because you guys are playing the exact same deflective blame game as the Jehovahs Witnesses - another cult that does what you are doing.
Imagine the scenario..
Child approaches Jesus and says
Child - "Im being r**ed continually by a church elder, i dont know what to do Jesus, i might just commit suicide"
Jesus - "Yes probably best to keep this under wraps for the sake of the church"
Will you get a grip of yourselves!
Ill leave you with this.
"And you shall know them with the love they have for one another"
You like the pervert are just as disgusting for defending CHurch Policy.
May God for you both @deniesesealey9125 @angelk19
I am also SDA and the church should be blamed. This case is only the tip of the iceberg and the church protects them. We all know this. To say otherwise is to be part of the problem.
@@deniesesealey9125 and where was god?
Imagine this nasty man was active since the 1960s. Horrible.
AGREE.... MOST HORIBBLE... OH GOD ALMIGHTY HAVE MERCY OH LORD, HAVE MERCY ON THESE CHURCHES...
As a Seventh Day Adventist, I am disgusted. The blatant disregard for the children in the conference and elsewhere is shocking and saddening. Years and years of complaints - no action is taken, victims are not believed, children are told not to say anything? The fact he did this nonsense not only in the UK but even abroad is deeply angering. The church needs to do better. Worried about their image instead of fixing the problem. Sad. And now the abuser is gone, so no justice. The church indeed let them down.
Heard of a man that had a dui.. was fired from an SDA school in because of it and conveniently found another job in California in an SDA school.. molested a boy for years in that school..after a time went to the authorities several years back I heard the church was being sued by the parents. Shame on the SDA leadership that are not taking initiatives to remove abusive behavior.. God will deal with them. Justice will be. Parents do not trust leaders or anyone alone with your children. No one can tell me that with all the tithe money that’s received there can’t be leaders paid to investigate and remove convicted abusers. Money corrupts.. and well this is terrible. Our faith must be in Jesus alone not the Adventist church
Angelo, Our SDA Church has supported abortion for decades, and nearly everyone is quiet about this terrible sin.
They use the tithe money to protect and move perpetrators to different districts and pay them a good salary plus housing.
@@Crabtree1844 Crab, very true. Ellen White writes that if we keep supporting ministers we know to be bad, then we are partakers of their sins they commit (paraphrasing).
@@earlysda ...yes!
@@earlysda dude how horrible! I have found theological issues with Sda theology via Answering Adventism UA-cam podcast. This has been my church since birth.. now I see clearly it can no longer be. God bless you on your journey friend.
Studied at Oxford, people trusted the enemy who came like wolves dressed in sheep clothing. Too many rich people or those with money are placed on pedestals simply because of an opulent background. Absolutely Outrageously Diabolical. Prejudice is just too prevalent in our society and it's a major problem
So true!😢
Amen Amen and Amen Put all these millionaires and billionaires on a pedestal and treat them like someone died and made them God. It's sickening
what a disgrace . A nasty man once again being covered by the Church this time The Seven Days Adventist. Now he is dead & can't face justice or his victims face to face for his crimes . I hope one day his numerous victims will get justice . may Goods grace be with the victims .
Have you never noticed that it is much easier to accuse people that are dead? Even when the allegations are true you wonder why people wait so long to complain.
@cantablocal6768 fear
@@cantablocal6768 watch it again
@@kevinwilliams1768Exactly, and shame.
Oh he is facing justice alright
Romans 12:17-19
As a victim of sexual abuse, this hurts my heart to see this. You come to recognize that profession does not make a Christian..Jesus makes Christians. No matter, Adventist, Catholics, Baptist, all are subject to these horrible things if they are not under the control of Christ.
This is 60+ years of trauma. I hope the victims receive their closure. The UK Black church needs to stop letting things like this get brushed under the carpet
The predator is exactly like Jimmy Savile. I know I'm not a survivor but I am an SDA and this disgusts me. Why on earth would 2 predators in the UK get away with predatory behaviour. The real problem is that people knew about Donald Kelly's crimes but they never spoke about it. I hope the victims are at peace now.
1. Be by your child side at all times at church
2. Children if someone touches you you stand up and shout in the middle of sabbath service loud " so and so touch me"
Vengeance is mine saith the Lord I will repay
So it's not only the catholic church.
well said
Not only... but pretty much MOSTLY
Sin a gogue’s are 💯X worse
No, it's school workers and social workers and football coaches and scouts leaders and anywhere perps have access to vulnerable people including children. It's not just churches, but it can be churches.
THE DEVIL DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE WHEN IT COMES TO SIN AND DEATH.
This year has really been a year for shedding light in dark places. I pray that the victims find peace and that the SDA church does not continue to protect the abusers in our midst. There should be no hiding place for such evil.
A sick betrayal.
Dr Don Kelly was a teacher at SDA Independent college in Fiji. He was dismissed by Abraham Simpson who was in charge of the college on allegations of the sexual abuse of students. He has never been reported to the local authorities. Shortly after he left the island.
@888mladen What year was this, please?
@sherylsuperchannel9048
I think not long before the coup in Fiji led by Kohimarama after his return from Iraq. Around 2004 and 2005.
@@sherylsuperchannel9048
He also visited NZ a couple of times. I personally heard him preaching at the camp meeting near lake Taupo. It was prior to dismissal.
… and therein lies the problem, it was never reported by church/school staff/officials who knew about it.
@Dr88Keyz Exactly
He got away with decades of this. Always tell you kids to tell you if someone does something and never allow these "pastors" or anyone you don't know around your kids alone.
Mothers know their daughter is being sexually abused by their partner and yet fail to report that abuser to the police.
Who said he got away? There's a judgment day coming.
@@joanbowen-samuel9504 He already gone. I see you didn't watch the video. Watch then respond.
@@shaunmulligan8717 "Some" mothers not all. You seem to be projecting.
@@blackcherry6877 All mothers and fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers, are potential abusers!
Emotions are still sooo raw!! Many years later! May God give them healing ❤️🩹. Dont trust any body with your child!!
god nonsense is the problem!
“Don’t trust anybody with your child” / Does that include your partner, parents and grandparents?
@@shaunmulligan8717 shaun, while your comment's nuance is correct, the writings is not. You should say "doctor", "teacher" etc.
@@shaunmulligan8717 ...yes!
In the comment made by the commentator on not trusting anybody with their child, I was trying to elicit the stance of the commentator on intra -familial child sexual abuse. The commentator may not be aware that nine-out-of-ten children have been sexually abused by someone they know, or are related to; and that abuse invariably occurs either in the child’s home or the abuser’s home. Insiders pose a greater danger.
Such an evil to hurt children! He is an evil man.
I will never send my children anywhere with anyone without me being there. The heart of the nicest person, one cannot read.
This is disgusting . These victims need counselling. The seventh day adventist church need to pay
SDA's need better policies to protect our children. Protect our young adults to protect everyone. The predators need accountability. Please remember that the church is not made up of only predators, but there are a lot of innocent people too .
This is the result of choosing not to guide or correct your brother, dismissing it with, "Don't judge; let God be the judge."
I'm favoured only God knows how much I praise Him, $230k every 4weeks! I now have a big mansion and can now afford anything and also support God’s work and the church.
Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!
Wow that's huge, how do you make that much monthly?
I'm 37 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??
It's Ms. Evelyn Vera doing, she's changed my life.
I started pretty low, though, $5000 thereabouts. The return came massive. Joey is in school doing well, telling me of new friends he's meeting in school. Thank you Evelyn Vera, you're a miracle.
Having gone to SDA school all my life, my heart hurts to know this story. There are evil people in every religious denomination!
Sooo Sorry doe these men🥺
Why didn't this come out earlier when he was still alive😢😢😢😢
Just like saville they always get away with it because victims are not given a voice so disgusting
wow I know this man ,he was choir director at the Kencot SDA Church at one time...a lot of folks thought he was "Funny". This is a bad thing and the church covered it up
What do you mean with funny? Like something was off with him? Thats your first alarm system intuition if you find someone a bit off. Horrible abuses you cant hide from your spirit other people will pick up on something.
@@anom3897 Funny = effeminate
Yes. What you are saying is true
A victim support group should be formed to be help these men release, and pour out these emotions. Many have been hurt across the world by this evil man
This is very disturbing , don't matter who he is he should be locked up Adventist or not , I am a seventh day Adventist and I am very upset.
I am an Adventist and extremely sad for those victims. May God bring emotional healing for them. May God bring judgement on those who are responsible for the hurt.
To all the abused, there is justice, just not here on the temporary side. God will have the final say, my heart goes out to you. These things should never be covered up. Churches need to do better. There are some that speak about these things and provide resources, unfortunately not enough.
THERE IS NO DAY OF JUDGEMENT NO DAY OF RECKONING.
GOD WILL HAVE NO FINAL SAY FOR HE DOES NOT EXIST.
YOUR BELIEF IS JUST A SOOTHER DESIGNED TO PACIFY VICTIMS SO THEY TAKE NO ACTION. THOSE IN POWER NEED AND WANT TO CONTROL SOCIETY. MEN RUNNING AROUND WITH VENGENCE IN THEIR HEART TAKES AWAY THAT CONTROL.
THESE MEN HAVE MISSED THEIR CHANCE
As an Adventist, I'm appalled that these men went through this trauma, we need to fish out every questionable character not only in the clergy but in every rank of the church.
I'll advocate sensitizing members and making changes to church policy to take into account such occurrences, these weak men preying on kids tend to hide in plain sight.
May God heal all those that have been hurt by this and any other wolf in sheep's clothing.
@mrmichaelson: These courageous survivors have been trying to get justice for decades. It was not an isolated incident, this is over half a century of abuse of many boys and collusion by the church to cover it up and intimidate the victims. No mention at all of debunking Christianity. If this is your version of Christianity, it should be debunked. Your comments are egregious & inflammatory and you should be ashamed of yourself. It is said the worse advert for Christianity are Christians, and you sir & Don Kelly are abominations. To try and minimise the trauma of these brave individuals by saying it is old history, is reprehensible. I hope your god grants you the mercy you do not see fit to grant these gentlemen. You are an apologist. a religious sycophant and a milquetoast.
FYI adventists lean towards being a cult rather than Christian
What a disappointment on the SDA church. How can such a thing happen to these innocent children in our church. They should pay and those who are still alive who knew of it and also took part should be locked up and charged. Sick my stomach.
The SEC owed those boys a duty of care which the failed miserably. The repeated failure of the church to protect the boys is unforgivable and disingenuous of the faith professed. Instead the negligent actions protected a predator rather than the innocent children. What about Matthew 18:6 or Luke 17:2, does the SDA church not recognise these biblical instructions? Shame on everyone in the SDA church who turns a blind eye to predators and fail to protect the children.
cee, but nearly all members in every church are quiet about sacrificing those in the womb to Moloch.
Your SEC Seventh Day Adventist president has apologised to the men that were brutally sexually abused by their pastor, I am wondering whether they have also offered to compensate the damage that was inflicted upon these men. The church knew exactly what was happening but refused to protect young boys but instead they continued to send him to different regions where he continued abusing young boys. This is still happening in SDA both boys and girls are being abused by those in authority and nothing is done. Is this the reason why the comments on the presidents apology site has been turned off because people are going to express their concerns?
Absolutely disgusting 😢🤢 🤮
As a Seventh Day Adventist, I am sorry to hear what happened to you. I am ashamed that there was no action taken. But I also want you to know we have many false Christians and terrible people marching as Christians in many churches and other religious groups. The Church is not the leaders, the church are the brothers and sister who outnumber the leaders. I pray you find the satisfaction in being able to voice your experience. Hope it brings some sort of relief and peace.
Our SDA Church has supported abortion for decades. That is a much worse sin, and nearly all the laymembers keep quiet about it.
@@7thdayman This is not about other churches now. This is about the SDA church that calls itself the remnant and only church who keeps the commandments. This should be a lesson not to boast about any religious institution but to think yourself of the least of these, giving God the glory
@michelledaley28 seems even you yourself need to follow your "least of these". There was nothing boastful about what I said above. I am a 7th day adventist and I am sad about the situation and what transpired and was just saying the abuse is prevalent all across christendom. That is it. What is boastful in that?
@@earlysda assuming you are an Adventist that lives in America, I suppose if this kind of stuff is happening and the church is supporting it, that you all who are experiencing it protest. No abortion, or LGBTQ issues here in Belize. Thats is why say the people is the church. If you want your leaders to tighten up you need to protest. By Gods grace we are not seeing all these things in Belize. Everywhere is different with different challenges. Without "Boasting" we pray that we are able to handle it different when it comes knocking at our doors.
@@7thdayman 7thday, your writing is incomprehensible.
Heartbreaking, this unfortunately is still happening not just in the Seventh day Adventist but many other church and organization. And we society needs to be vigilant to protect children from such predators. My heart goes out to all victims. The church must be proactive in this matters. not to mention this where dark days, of racism, just devastating.
Sad and appalling. As a member of the church this is so terrible to watch😢
I dare say this is a pattern in many institutions. Mainly in the UK like; the Police, NHS or catholic churches.. When people from such organisations commit despicable crimes, the organisation use their might and resources to victimise the victim calling the victims crazy or liars rather than dealing with the issue. The organisations allowed the perpetrator to continue with their crimes until its becames clear as daylight then say we didn't know this was happening to cover up.
Wolves in sheeps clothing. Abominable. Dont blame SDAs for this criminals and others like him behavior. Be aware it happens everywhere in all places where children are gathered and despicable people are in power over them. I appreciate your reporting this. Most heinous.
Actually we can. They are no different than the other 'Babylonion churches' and Christians they accuse and slander with not keeping the commandments and have the audacity to claim they are the exclusive 'remnant church'.
I have 3 children ages 24, 20, and seven, and they have never even been on a sleepover. Their frie ds came to sleepover at my house and but kine never go. I know i would never hurt anyone, especially children, but I don't trust anyone with my children. My heart goes out to these men. Why would mothers send their kids away with other people like this.
This is so horrifying 😮! This angers me beyond anything else. Demons in charge of the church. Too many times people are aware and stay quiet so as to not disturb the status quo. It's sickening!!!
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12 Christ has warned us in the Bible that there will be spiritual wickedness in high places. High places are the places where there is religious worship, whether pagan temples or Christian churches (see Leviticus 16:30; Numbers 22:41; 1 Kings 3:3, etc).
Satan always seeks to use men in high religious positions, as he knows that here he can cause the most damage, especially in God's church. Both leadership and laymen have a responsibility to keep the church pure, but because most church leaders and laymen are living ungodly lives themselves, they become desensitized to evil, and excuse the wrongs of others.
And so, the Lord is not to blame, but the people to whom He has entrusted responsibilities to represent Him, who are supposed to lovingly protect and safeguard others. They are unfaithful to their duty.
God has allowed this matter to be exposed to the world because His people have failed to do their duty. My only advice is that those who have any responsibility in the church be faithful to their trust. God is not interested in position, but character.
It is time to stop lifting up doctor this, or professor that, and rather to lift up Jesus. It is the worship of men, not the worship of the Creator who gives men talents and abilities, this is one of the main causes of Donald Kelly's downfall.
Jesus said: "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" - Luke 18:8 Now we can see why He has said this. Who truly is faithfully serving God in these last days, and fighting against evil, especially against the evil that is within His church?
To all the victims involved with this matter, the Lord lovingly states: "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." - Romans 12:19. This is not a get-out clause for those who are responsible to safeguard others not to do anything, rather, it is to let us know that when God's people have done their part, the Lord Himself will finally settle matters in accordance to His will.
Amen 🙏🏾 although this type of abuse causes permanent PTSD that may take years to heal from 🧠🎗️
@@user-wr8yo8du2yRevelation 22:2 NIV. down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And "the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations."
REALLY CALL A SPADE A SPADE....REMEMBER AFTER THE 1ST ASSAULT HE TOOK THE CHILD TO PRAY/PREY...& NOW THE VICTIMS BROTHER GEOFFREY DOING SAME IN CHISWICK SDA, HANDSWORTH SDA & AT CAMP MEETINGS..
Unfortunately, there might be individuals with bad intentions in every institution. It is important to differentiate though between the organization with its principles, vision and goals, and some people who may work in it and may commit actions deserving due punishment.
Can't separate the people from the organization. People form organizations/institutions!
Lifetime SDA , this is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!
NEEDS TO BE OPENLY DISCUSSED BY LEADERSHIP!!!!!
It still happening today in different pentecostal churches too
I keep myself to myself in the church I don't mingle.
Report it! Things are handled differently now 2024
@@FollowingJesus17 “This I command you, to love one another.” (Jesus of Nazareth)
@@shaunmulligan8717 loving one another doesn't mean you have to invite members of the church to your house tell them your business it also says in the Bible that you shouldn't trust your friend.
Micah7:5 do not trust in your friend do not put your confidence in a companion guard the doors of your mouth from her who lies in your bosom.
Please don't message me back because as a Christian I'm not allowed to argue and your comment is argumentative goodbye
@@FollowingJesus17 It’s tragic when you as a follower of Christ forsake the fellowship of your brothers and sisters in Christ. When you became a member of the church of Christ, you became part of the body of Christ. “For as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.” (Romans 12).
I'm noticing there is a pattern with people in power. Parents think they are doing the right thing by giving "successful" people access to their children. Peoples academic or religious accomplishments do not make them good people. Protect your babies. Church is not better than you.😊
As a young man he has this sly evil smirk on his face. I feel for the victims!
This is shameful & disgusting as I was born & raised a SDA. SMH….
I left the SDA church when I realised that SDAs are the most abusive group of people I have ever encountered. Although this video is dealing with abuse of a sexual nature, Adventists also often subject other members of the church to psychological abuse. This is my personal experience. I have many relatives who are SDA, including one who is a pastor, and I'd say that all of them have displayed abusive & hypocritical behaviour, but some how think that going to church on Sabbath is going to save them.
What's the sabbath got to do with it? Sunday keepers think they'll be saved going to church and not even keeping Sunday holy and not keeping the commandments as they are nailed to the cross etc.
You've got issues with the true God not just the people.
There's good and bad in every denomination. See the Catholic Church? Atheists are abusers etc.
Same thing with every religion persuaded people to get the jab... at behest of evil overlords including the papacy.
Wake up.
as a sda i must say you are correct, that's why i just try to focus my eye on Christ and not on other members. i don't put my trust on people or the church or on pastors. i felt bad for the victims of the abuse. it could really happen anywhere even at home.
It’s ironic but Jesus said they hold to the law but don’t love or take care of their own family
@@deffmatic JESUS DIDN'T GO TO CHURCH SO YOUR EYE AINT ON HIM..HE BEAT EVILDOERS IN CHURCH & NEVER WENT BACK..YOUR TYTHES HELP TO KEEP THE SYSTEM GOING & YOUR PRESENCE SHAME ON YOU..
@@deffmaticvery true. Christ is the focus...He is the only one that can save us. May God heal the victims. The church needs to do better in handling abuse cases
You may also want to explore what happened at the schools in this country that took in the Windrush kids in the 50's, a lot of them were SA'd but never spoke up.
The schools?
WHAT SCHOOLS?
@@missderry2387 Yes thats what im wondering what schools>?
@@nicolagrant5450 ...what part of 'schools' do you not understand?
I grew up in the adventist church and still remain the church. But i do see with these victims. As a young married woman having issues, i went to my church pastor at that time. Instead he tried kissing and touching me. I went home, didnt tell my husband because i was scared. I found the courage to tell him, which cause him and i to go to the confrerence pastorial director. Who refuse to accept that their best pastor was doing that. The Sda church have alot that they have been condoning. But i thank God that i still remain faithful to him and not man who are sinful beings😢😢
Why were you scared to tell your husband. There must be a reason why.
....you must be dense. The same reason why many people fear speaking out against church leaders. In fact, even P Diddy is a great example of why people dont speak up...because the person is in a position of power
@Crabtree1844 what a narcissistic tone deaf comment. No empathy or sympathy for the issue she reported, just trying to pivot the issue away from the nasty pastor! People and comments like yours are exactly why issues like this are covered up. Part of the problem not the solution! An apologist for bad behaviour.
@@moshodi100 well put …some people don’t put their brain in gear before thinking out loud 😢
@@Crabtree1844 the shame that's trained into us and the idea that we as women/girls (yes girls) lead a man to sin by simply existing...does a fckn number on your psyche
He will not escape justice. Judgement is coming
hes dead
This is not good enough! And it is not the first time this has happened either! I grew up SDA, I remember we had camp meeting and the parents were warned that their was a pedophile amongst the congregation so parents should keep watch of their children! Although they managed to kick him out and call the police, he should have never been on the premises in the first place!
Also in this documentary why wasn't Don Kelly's right hand man mentioned ? The one that told these poor boys that they should keep hush? He should be jailed !!!!!
It is absolutely detestable to have done such horrible things to these men in their youth. Donald Kelly is a predator and should be held fully responsible for his ungodly actions!
I am an Adventist and I am disgusted by this
I am so very sorry for these gentlemen as victims of such horrific abuse. God says" Vengeance is mind, I will replay." I hope these gentlemen will still find hope in Christ.
These appalling cases highlight the importance of Fathers in the family home. The paedophile, seemed to target those without their fathers. Utterly disgusting.
In my friends case it was her own father who did it too her
In my friend's case, it was her father who molested her; her father being a respected member of the community.
Point!!)
That’s terrible. The church should address this monthly in church. Parents need to understand the importance of protecting their kids by preventing this.
Dr. Kelley was my Endocrinology and Physiology professor back in 1993, he looked weird but i wasn't aware of his dark background. So sad.
The Church failed the victims
I’m so, so sorry for what you suffered. The church should be a place of safety. The church system has not demonstrated Christ-like love by covering up abuse and perpetrators.
Mr Smith was my IT teacher at secondary school (I went to an SDA school) . He was a wonderful teacher and a wonderful man. We are absolutely heartbroken and infuriated for him ...
Expecting an honest answer on this subject from a church? You must be pretty naive to believe that... Nr 1 goal for any church is to protect themselves - not to support the victims. Everytime it's the same... all churches are the same, though the stricter their teachings the more extreme the abuse.... And also the stronger the push to keep all "internal" (=silence victims and advice the abuser to get better at covering up) and don't forget to put the blame on the victims....
Bad news is that we'll read the exact same stories as long as we treat churches as something special and not like just any other organisation or club of people: get rid of special rights for religious organisations - we (as people) should demand higher checks on organisations that care for children and other people that depend and rely on services provided by those organisations. Giving these clubs special treatment only helps abusers to get access to victims and get away with it
What people need to do is not to delegate their responsibilities. Wherher in church or not, look after your children and most important, if you can't be there, talk to them, listen and enquire. You can pick up this early if you're a proper parent.
Satan and his demons and their agents are guests at every meeting and gathering, including churches.
The bible warns us to be sober and vigilant.
A man tried the same on me at his place.. But met a stiff resistance even though I was just probably 13yrs old.
Didn't report it as could not understand what had just happened.. I was somewhat afraid all night as he had asked my mom that I sleep at his place. I had been looking after his place when he was away.
I drawn to believe the account of this men.
SDA conferences silence the victims and protect predators. They're too many victims around the world, not an isolated problem.
This has been happening in the SDA Church in Jamaica for years and the abuser is likely to die without being brought to justice.
He died a few years ago
@@goodharvest7954 Wait, who is he?
That’s so sad
Just what we need is more publicity because our leaders can't control themselves or take responsibility for this evil... Please General Conference Leaders handle this properly and remove these evil infiltrators from our church. God's justice will take care of this man, and those who knew about this abuse and don't repent.
WHY ARE YOU SOME COMPLACENT STILL CONGREGATING WITH DEMONS, WHAT'S THE DIFFER BETWEEN sda & RC?? BOTHFULL OF PAEDOS COS DE GUY BRO GEOFFREY DOING SAME THING IN CHISWICK & HANDSWORH SDA & CAMP MEETINGS.. I AM A HAPPY LIBERATED EX SDA..ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME..
There are lots of predators at the GC so your plea to them to 'handle this properly' is akin to asking the fox to handle chickens with care.
@@Crabtree1844NO TRUSTING ANYONE, ONLY JESUS..
@@ineztyrell3010 ...amen
I'm very close to this story, I know the abuser and one of the victims on this film. I can't believe this. Never been so shocked in my entire life. 😢😢😮😮😮😮😮😮
I denounced my SDA status and this just made me more sure I did the right thing. 2020, I started to search the Scriptures and question the denomination foundation and decided to step away. I asked the Father YAHUAH in heaven to lead me to truth because time is at hand. Iam so sorry for all the people the was effected by this man amd the church. It's horrible. I pray for healing.
The same here. All you have to do is look at the comments deflecting away from this abuse like they are not part of the problem.
As is the usual lack of accountability from the Church, of past crimes.😮
Protect your children from these sick ppl. He wasn’t taking my child anywhere , let alone without me. This has been going on in every church denomination for ages unfortunately.
The church owes the victims restitution.
This should be shared to adventists that don’t want to do their working with kids safety checks thinking that God alone will protect our children..
What's in the dark must come in the light
So much evil takes place in churches
ughhh gross and just so heartbreaking. I am an Adventist pastor. I take these things very seriously, and am so saddened how slowly the process has been to bring any consolation to these victims.1) If you see something say something! And don't stop till an investigation occurs and people are held to account and the truth is found. I have made sure on several accounts to get people removed from leadership and prosecuted for their actions. If someone isn't jailed and they flee to another country that can be very challenging to ensure they are not continuing their abusive behavior. 2) Parents need to be extremely cautious, whether it's at church or their neighborhood their kids are playing. Definitely don't allow your kids to sleep over anywhere with a person. 3) In my region in the US our administration has taken significant action to get people trained and volunteers live scanned/background checked. But the problem is that predators are rarely caught or they are first time predators so their names won't appear on a data base. So leaders dealing with kids need to be very diligent in vetting volunteers who work around kids.
There is no excuse to entrust and/or delegate the supervision of your child to anyone. None whatsoever.
I wonder how much of this has happened/ is happening in the black church? Would be absolutely taboo in that community, a community I know intimately, I would imagine victims would take their stories to the grave.
Well, the victims in the video are black. The abuser was black. So I think we already know how it goes when this happens in a black church?
Why black, and not any color church?