The lovable cocky asshole, the strong sassy Princess, and the good-natured, wide-eyed farm boy. They start off with differing opinions, but their love triangle storyline really helps their true friendship shine through, and that's why I loved this episode of Mike, Rich and Jay talk about Star Wars.
Jay really had the best casual logic reply to that. Darth didn't know Luke's name, then he hears the whole thing and flips... The force is strong with this one.
The galaxy was meant to be impossibly vast, Tatooine being a major backwater. Subsequent media revolving around Tatooine as well as other stuff makes the galaxy seem very small, so this is now an issue when it wasn't really before. The original movies have become recontextualised.
@@moscanaveia i mean common. That was it from the get go already. Cheap fanservice with horrible deep fale looks. And in boba fett luke skywalker legit looks like an early android model trying to emote human emotions There was no need for Luke to show up and be the one needing to train grogu.
@@Moloch187 thank god to be honest i couldnt bear seeing non emoting deep fake luke skywalker talking. It made my eyes and ears burn. The book of boba fett was horrible tho. The first two episodes were a chore to watch with him being captured by the sand people. I fell asleep like 15 times during those episodes. I'm just glad they dropped the grogu trained by luke thing. I just hope the 3rd season of mando isnt gonna turn into a dumb comedy because of taika
I doubt he could focus enough in the moment honestly, but all jedi can slow their falls with the force, like what Kenobi did for Leia. Darth Maul missing his other half probably would be throwing off his concentration tho
@Flying Fists I like your reply and it is honest and polite. The prequels were no more aimed at kids than the original trilogy. This is a fundamental mistake many fans make and it does not excuse them. I know you aren't really trying to do that. I'm on your side, but they really are a horrible mess. We can all think of a myriad of ways Lucas could have tightened the plots, used practical effects where possible, and made better casting and writing decisions. One of the biggest of course is making Anakin a very young boy and then having an extremely poorly unfocused story with frivolous elements. It was obvious even to me when the trailers came out that Anakin should have been 16 years old already. Charismatic, interesting, but some signs of damage. What a mess those films are. God christ. If the prequels really were that good there would not be discussions like this and a general consensus they are great. People like to tear down Jedi, and it has it's serious faults, but it also delivers some of the greatest scenes of the saga. We all know the Ewoks were a mistake, and we know Han and Leia should have had a better treatment. Yes at least the prequels felt like Star Wars, and there are some stand out moments, but it is a mess. Disney learnt nothing really.
My problem with Kenobi is that it was a story that never needed to be told. Obi Wan living as a hermit on Tatooine for 18 odd years made sense. Hell even a series about his struggle to stay hidden and eek out a living in the desert would have been good (the obvious drawback being ANOTHER Star Wars project being based in Tatooine).
It really is ridiculous that a sci-fi serious that is supposed to be set in a whole GALAXY focuses so much time on a desert planet that was clearly supposed to be a backwater planet that no one really wanted to be.
Uh but qui gon has always been a rebel, who defied the jedi council xD its all setup in advance! George Lucas is a real genius! It all makes sense, Stop asking questions!
Progressing is good and normal BUT you cant show this kinda of hotness and ask us to PRETEND they are related to the og movies with different ideas on power and how the force works. It like having 2 matter changing magics in one book, it one or the other.
@@CJWilly Yeah but DBZ is at least chronological. We aren't hopping back in time to find out characters were actively 200x more powerful than they are chronologically later.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 That's how I've always thought of it. The prequels has an army of Jedi, all trained. You have your strongest force users (Obi-wan, Yoda, Palpatine, Anakin, and Count Dooku) who do crazy things. So, while not perfectly consistent, there's some logic there. But, then you go to the last trilogy and all of that goes out the window. Even if Rey is super powerful, like Anakin was, she ended up using her powers like the super powerful people who had lifetimes of training with very little training.
I still don't understand how Reva not only got off of the planet after being stabbed (what ship did she suddenly find?), nor why she decided to go after Luke. Reva didn't know Leia or Luke were Vader's children, she only kidnapped Leia to draw out Kenobi. So... Why did she want to kill Luke? What vengeance would she have gotten in killing a random child she only knows has some connection to Kenobi? My poor brain.
@@distinguishedallureproduct879 but Vader doesnt even know his own kids exist or are alive. Last he saw Padme she was pregnant and he "kills" her. So how does Reva manage to piece that together when the only people that know are Kenobi, Yoda, Bail and his wife, Owen and Beru. I mean she literally had Leia as a hostage and didn't know she was a skywalker. So how does a broken recording of Bail saying "Owen, Tatooine, the child" give her any context clues to Vader's lineage?
Jedi knights were cooler when they weren't unkillable superheroes. A lifetime of martial arts discipline and attuning to the force would give you an advantage over the average person in combat, but you wouldn't literally bring a sword to a gunfight and easily overpower 100 people shooting at you. The lightsaber was an ancient weapon that was used to challenge others trained with it for the sake of tradition, not because it was better than absolutely EVERYTHING else. With current jedi rules, luke skywalker could have landed on endor and just ripped the shield generator apart with the force in less than a minute. It's like watching superman fight: why the fuck do i care about the conflict if i know there's no danger?
I care about Star Wars canon but I forgive it plenty when it's not perfect. I am still trying to figure out when the hell Kenobi owned R2-D2, so the "why didn't _______ just use the force to do ________???" stuff does not bother me, lol.
@@TheRoyalFino He didn't; R2 was lying as a means to get to Kenobi somehow. Throw in the Prequels, it's because he used to be Anakin's, and was hoping he might remember him.
@@KanyeT1306 Also Disney: "Lets just throw out ANY previosuly written material, and just go our own direction with it!" Again, Disney: "Man, being consisten i so haard! We gotta like think and stuff.. I wish there was like, some material we could have used as an outline for our stories.."
That's the problem with fanboys: they get so distracted with details and minutiae, treating them like the most important things, and forget about what really matters, such as the general premise, the ethos, the mood, the entire point of the whole thing.
Stories stretched out beyond breaking point with filler? "Oh no! They're coming for us! We've got to run down this hallway to get away!" Wow, honestly didn't realise Disney were such big fans of classic Dr Who.
The question is: Why should I care about Star Wars canon? It's all a fun show, but in the end it's just entertainment. A few hours of diversion. Why do people take this shit so seriously that it almost induces them to have a heart attack over whether that window in Jar Momaw Fett's space office was round or octagonal in the first prequel duology's comic book adaptation?
@@gspendlove Well, how about this. Would you care if Han just walked up to Vader in Revenge of the Sith, took his gun back, slapped him, and then shot him to bits? Movie over? I think you would. Because consistency keeps you engaged. A show is truly good when you can come back years later and find little to zero inconsistencies. It's why Lord of the Rings has stood the test of time, among other classics. People care about the canon of a thing because they are emotionally invested in the entertainment. It's the creator's job to cast a spell over his audience and engage them, and the stronger the illusion, the stronger the engagement. Personally, the more tighter a script is, the more respect I have for the people who wrote it, and the more devoted I am to their fantasy, because it shows me that they are deeply invested in my ability to get lost in their fictional world.
That point at 22:20 Mike is going on an angry rant about lightsabers, Jay looks at the camera and either gives the audience “the look” or whoever is behind the camera is absolute gold. Jay is so underrated
To Rich’s point about the laser sword, I always thought, until the prequels of course, that a light saber was a crutch for force users that hadn’t mastered the force yet. That’s why the Emperor was mocking Luke by saying “Take your Jedi weapon” in return of the Jedi. Because both he and Yoda had no sabers…until the prequels…
@@nolandavis1129 cuz he was an old man that was essentially still a hermit. No where near Yoda or palpy. And Vader was constricted to using a saber forever because he got burned up by lava
He's going to find out and then make a video to flex about it. In response to the "Mike is so stupid" video by Rich and Jay when he got it wrong which trilogy had the clone Palpatine and which had the real one.
@@AnnaMarianne Also the fact he mentions that the lightsabers are heavy to an untrained user, which is true in rebels with the dark saber. Disney needs to hire mike as the lore master
@@ottoginafiel5468 But that statement is true though, It was meant to be a movie but since solo flopped and barely make any money Disney panicked and force the Creator to turn the obi-wan movie into a show.
33:24 "I think he just figured it out cause both their last names were Skywalker." I laughed in much the same way as Rich did at exactly the same time, which in turn made me laugh even harder.
the reason the emotional core of the obiwan tv show is seemingly missing is because an absurd amount of modern star wars lore clings desperately onto the clone wars cartoon for dear life.
I can’t tell you how often when people critique the prequels someone says “they’re redeemed by the Clone Wars show.” And I will them that you shouldn’t need to rely on supplementary material (after the fact) to give value to your existing content. That’s like saying “we’ll this video game I bought was bad but when I got the DLC it became good!” Additional content should add to something whole , not be it’s missing part.
33:19 Lmao, Jay basically nailed it. I know y’all don’t care about expanded media, but in the comics Boba Fett is hired to find the dude that destroyed the Death Star by Vader, and he reports back with only one name, “Skywalker.” Dun dun dun!!!
There's a really cool panel just after that moment in the comic where Vader is shown in silhouette and you can see the outline of Hayden Christianson Anakin and Natalie Portman Padme on Geonosis as they share a kiss before being carted into the arena.
My favorite part during their fight is when Vader attacked Obi Wan with rocks from above. He literally attacked him with the “High Ground”. It’s like pottery.
The actual answer is no. Kylo only intentionally killed a one of Luke's students, and Grogu wasn't there at all. Sadly this was in a comic mini-series rather than in the movie. That said The Rise of Kylo Ren is really worth reading. Really short and provides much needed context.
18:40 "It looks cool, but it drives me fucking nuts." -- "That's Star Wars :)" That really is the essence of the whole franchise for the past 35 years.
The whole point Obi-Wan is on Tatooine is to HIDE from the Empire, to watch and protect Luke, and to not be slaughtered by the Emperor's new enforcer. Then he proceeds to do the opposite.
And opens the door to why Vader didnt just go kill him? Like bring the whole empire to take him out... or use the death star? This breaks star wars because the people who wrote it dont care about you.
To be fair, Star Wars has always been goofy pulp nonsense. Lucas could barely hold together a continuity over the original trilogy... and people expect this shit to hold together after 40 more years, 8 more movies and a half dozen TV shows?
He's selective about what continuity (canon) he cares about like everybody else. I dont think hes drawing a real distinction between him and anyone else really.
This is perfection, it was meant to be the wrap up for the Obi-Wan series but it feels like a wrap-up of the entire franchise. _"They didn't even change Luke's name!"_ 😂💯
"I'm starting to think Star Wars is kinda stupid." -Jay The franchise in a nutshell...wasn't expected to be so big, and had a lot of shortcomings the more you look into it. Disney makes it ALL the more obvious...
The original stand alone trilogy is great and the mystery behind the Force could gloss over plot inconsistencies. The prequels were terrible and the sequels even worse, as they ruined the legacy of established characters
This may be irrelevant, but when Hitler rose to power he made a concerted effort to purge as much evidence of his past as possible (he even had his old school demolished). It's not beyond credulity to think Vader *might* send a squad to destroy the Lars homestead and his mother's grave etc.
If we ignore the prequels (which we should, as they add tons of continuity errors), Vader had nothing to do with Tatooine. I also feel like there can't be just 1 guy in the Galaxy named Skywalker.
Apparently the Grand Inquisitor’s species has two stomachs which is why he survived, but you wouldn’t know that unless you looked that specific information up and he just excuses it using the “Man Literally too Angry to Die” meme.
Then he killed all those dudes with his light saber and said "Catch ya on the flip side, Tatoo-weenies!" Then he did a force flip and dunked a basketball.
Awesome! A deaged, albeit dead Christopher Lee, played by a stunt double, wearing a green mask so the computers can go "WHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR," and give him a terrible computer face. Maybe he can bounce off the walls while flailing his laser sword and use the force to throw Yavin 2 at Darth Plagueis -- all while we destroy the dignity of another legendary actor, because Disney owns anyone who has ever been in a Star Wars movie even in death. Do you smell that? It smells like Nerd money.
dumb nitpick of course but when they're talking about Vader finding out who Luke is at around 34:00, there is literally a scene in Empire where Vader talks to the Emperor and the Emperor literally tells him "hey that kid that blew up the Death Star is the son of Anakin Skywalker." so to me that's definitely possible to be the point he finds out for the first time.
That’s also a Special Edition change though. Not saying it’s not “canon” now but there’s a decent chance the RLM boys have never seen that version or don’t remember that dialogue, if they aren’t just contemptuous of the change.
Doesn't the opening title crawl say Darth Vader is obsessed with finding Luke? While they never met in ep 4, he did have the "The force is strong with this one." moment. I assumed that in between the films he does what he told Luke to do. He searched his feelings and something something force. Yoda even explains that the force lets you see through time and space and, uh, love. It makes much more sense to me that he knew Luke's identity from the very start of Empire.
and i always had the impression james earl jones tried to use jedi mind tricks on luke though luke resists, he still fears for the safety of leia which i assumed based on the way he phrases the next line: "sister, you have a sister. If I can't get what you want from you I'll get it from her" or something to that effect, which causes luke to go berserk and embrace the dark side [?] or maybe im wrong I haven't watched the films since childhood
I think the implication was: 1. Luke's identity is made public after blowing up the death star 2. Vader finds out from the emperor. I think the modern versions do both and the original is maybe just more number 1
The Obi-Wan show was 5 hours of content just to fix a single throwaway line in ANH that “a young Jedi named Darth Vader" killed Luke's father. Just like Solo was two hours of content to fix the "less then 20 parsecs" line.
Does that line in a New Hope even have to be fixed? I always assumed Obi Wan was altering the story to put Luke's mind at ease, so he wouldn't think his father was the tyrant that Darth Vader is. It felt like a calculated lie to keep Luke out of trouble and not feel the need to go running off and getting himself killed.
@@ihappy1 I thought of it as that, but also as it was metaphorically true: the Vader persona took over and "killed off" who Anakin used to be. Which I guess is reiterated here? I haven't watched the show, but I assumed the main point was to establish when Obi-Wan learns who Darth Vader is.
@@Inkdisc Nu-Trek, like the SW prequels/sequels, is all completely inconsistent with their franchise's original work. Practically different entities than what they once were, before their respective reboots (Phantom Menace / Force Awakens & Star Trek 09). It's definitely hard to separate all the great stuff of the past from all the muck nowadays, but the truth is that these franchises died a long time ago. Their corpses are on display for all to see (on Disney + & Paramount +, specifically).
@@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u I'm fortunate I have no problem separating old vs new Trek. The differences on every level between the periods are so large you can trivially draw a line between them and ignore everything past that line.
41:00 , what rich is describing is literally what happens in the kenobi novel ! where he has to reject a lady who falls in love with him because he needs to stay back and keep an eye on luke
"We do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant." "For in the end, he was trying to tell us what afflicted the people in 'Brave New World' was not that they were laughing instead of thinking, but that they did not know what they were laughing about and why they had stopped thinking." "People will come to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think." Some quotes from "Amusing Ourselves to Death" by Neil Postman, a book which the Disney corporation seemingly mistook for an instruction manual.
The first one's really interesting given the modern day because I feel like we've run into a bit of a problem about *everything* being significant and its backlash position that nothing is significant (or maybe just that if everything is significant it all becomes white noise for people and they cease wanting to hear about any of it anyway). I say that's interesting because it manages to be functionally the same while approaching it from a slightly different angle than in a 'Brave New World'.
@@ryanjones_rheios That's an interesting hypothesis on the origins of nihilism in society you've written up. Dostoevsky would be proud. I could see the situation you describe being what led to Brave New World's social structure for sure. They revere industry (they worship a car manufacturer... prescient), entertainment, physical pleasure, distraction, casual sex, the "feelies" (an apt description of modern cinema), and use drugs to prevent themselves from becoming depressed. They detest family, monogamy, mothers (the concept and especially the word), repairing products, and any heterodoxy is considered immediately suspect. I see a lot of parallels there to the modern age, and I can imagine that after a period of time where different groups vied for social control there was finally a winning side; the side selling all the products (making sure they break and become obsolete regularly, of course). Power goes where people think it already is. I don't believe this is necessarily anyone's plan; it's beyond the power of one man. This is the path that the majority are taking, and it's easy to see why. Who would want to feel bad and have to overcome that when you could just take drugs and shut off? Hopefully we would... "Moreover, we have seen enough by now to know that technological changes in our modes of communication are even more ideology-laden than changes in our modes of transportation. Introduce the alphabet to a culture and you change its cognitive habits, its social relations, its notions of community, history and religion. Introduce the printing press with movable type, and you do the same. Introduce speed-of-light transmission of images and you make a cultural revolution. Without a vote. Without polemics. Without guerrilla resistance. Here is ideology, pure if not serene. Here is ideology without words, and all the more powerful for their absence. All that is required to make it stick is a population that devoutly believes in the inevitability of progress. And in this sense, all Americans are Marxists, for we believe nothing if not that history is moving us toward some preordained paradise and that technology is the force behind that movement."
It aint that deep bruh. And if it is what you're describing already happened 50 years ago with advent of modern television/cinema. Quit blaming Disney for your own existential issues. If it wasn't them it would be another company. This is the inevitability of human nature.
@@alexanderthegreat7329 I don't blame Disney. I blame people suffering from amathia. Your hypothesis is that the human race has become as intelligent as it will ever be, that we've had the most brilliant scientists and philosophers and societies already, and that now the trajectory toward idiocy and societal collapse is inevitable. Why do you believe that? It just seems like such a bleak view of the world to me. Is there anything you consider a virtue, anything that is good?
@@alexanderthegreat7329 Also, could you explain whether the "it" you reference in your first sentence is "Brave New World" or "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business". Either way, both works are obviously far deeper than merely the excerpts I quoted. They're entire books; there's a great wealth of information and inspiration in the narrative of "Brave New World", as well as complex problems of individuality vs conformity, freedom vs slavery, philosophy vs nihilism. It's a classic for a reason.
@@John-jt4ol Here's a news flash. Nothing Star Wars ever happened, it's all fiction. All of the classic expanded universe has better writing than anything the Disney activists have lazily tried to copy. And that's the Star Wars fiction I enjoy.
When I was learning to fly propellor planes, my instructor had me hold a rod with a spinning bicycle wheel on the end of it. It’s not easy to move such a rod in the intended direction. That’s what Mike’s description of lightsabers sounds like.
There is something in a Darth Vader comic that uses the force in a cool way like Mike suggested. Vader fights against the scientist who designed his suit and the guy shuts it down so Vader can't move so Vader uses the force to move his own body and more or less tells him 'Bitch I don't need your science, I got the force lmao'
There's a snippet in Shadows of the Empire where it explains that Vader is practicing not needing his suit to breathe (that's why the helmet is off in ESB.)
I really liked how Reva turned out to be Leia the whole time, really blew my mind. That & how Obi-wan was Liam Neeson. Oh, & Vader was a wampa. Such a twist.
When Jay said that the moment where Vader “absolves” Obi wan of killing Anakin, I agree that’s one of the best moments/ideas in the series. Even if not executed perfectly, we get to see the growth from the grieving obi wan at the end of Revenge of the Sith, to obi wan in A New Hope who is at peace with himself. Likewise, I like how this series changes the tone of Leia’s plea for help to Obi Wan. It’s not just a call to a random eccentric Jedi in hiding, she’s reaching out to someone she knows personally and has a deeper connection to. “My only hope” indeed.
I know it's a running joke for Rich to say that Star Wars is creatively bankrupt, but I don't think that's true at all. Star Wars isn't creatively bankrupt - the people who own Star Wars don't want to take any risks with it. The Star Wars video games, for example, have created tons of interesting new ideas and concepts for the Star Wars setting. You can go back as far as Tie Fighter or Dark Forces, Knights of the Old Republic, etc., and find lots of interesting ideas, characters, and situations to enjoy. But the people in charge of Star Wars do not want to go in new directions, they want to make money. That means blue laser swords and red laser swords and X-Wings and Darth Vader and Death Stars. That means making movies or shows about every reference, character, or story connected to the original trilogy, and seeding that content with new characters like Reva or Cara Dune which they can then make more crap about until they make back their 5 billion dollars.
that is why they should not have scrapped the expanded universe, at the same time they did not have to adhere to it completely, just enough that it provided continuity and logic to the ongoing conflict (Imperial Remnant, the Sith). Then for the sequel trilogy they should have recast the main characters - Luke, Leia and Han and pick up where the original trilogy ended. Have two plotlines - Luke establishing new Academy on Yavin 4 with Kyle Katarn learning from past mistakes of the Jedi Order and discovering the resurgence of the Sith and Leia and Han establishing the New Republic and fighting the Imperial Remnant.
@@itsokay7989 Yeah that's literally the point they were making, the Star Wars universe is not inherently impossible to make great media out of, but Disney is the worst possible company to be the arbiters of what gets made. Even then Jedi Fallen Order was a solid Souls-like with a genuinely great main villain and the best showing from Vader since Return of the Jedi, and even if the anime style of Star Wars Visions didn't connect with you it's impossible to deny that it was a breath of fresh air compared to every other Star Wars show at the time (and now). All Disney needs to do is give the reigns to people with a love of the franchise as well as the desire to move it forward and do interesting things with it, but it's easier to push out the most lukewarm pandering media possible instead of making one inventive new idea that some people might hate. I don't have much of a stake in the 'Is the Last Jedi good or bad' debate (like I genuinely don't care to any degree whatsoever) but I can at least respect it for trying literally anything new, at the very least it made some neurons in my brain flicker which is more than I can say for Kenobi lol.
Hyperspace Wars, Old Republic, Even the dawn of the Jedi with more rudimentary lightsabers attached to backpacks. The Sith race could have been the origin of the later incarnation of the Sith, dark jedi/sith/grey jedi. It was all there. Oh well. Instead we get the incredibly poorly done prequels, sequels, now this.
My favourite joke I've seen about this series is "leave it to Disney to make Obi wan about a 45 year old man who has to think of a ten year old girl to get his rocks off." 🤣
24:11 you still need the force if you want to deflect stuff -- unless you are REALLY lucky there's no way to predict the blaster bolt path and you're liable to just take the shot in the chest. the precognition the force provides is what makes deflecting blaster bolts possible.
Right?! If you go back to the Plinkett reviews, he dubs over a couple of the Emperor’s lines from Episode 1 and it’s almost indistinguishable from the og
34:55 Palpatine tells Vader during episode V that the person who blew up the death star is the child of "Anakin Skywalker". That's when Vader learns who the person is. Having previously sensed that the force was strong with Luke during the death star sequence, Vader now knows that he has a son and that he is training to be a jedi. The audience isnt aware of that until Vader reveals he is Luke's Father at the end of V, and after force ghost Obi-Wan explains it from the log during VI. I'm honestly surprised none of you three remembered it! It's arguably the best writing and editing decision in the whole series, since it works if you know who Vader is or not. Edit: apparently that's a special edition change so rich is correct and the canon doesn't matter
Thank you! I was hoping one of them would remember but it never happened. It actually ties into why Anakin's children were never supposed to be 'special' just because they were his children. It was because they got involved directly with the Empire's schemes due to the Death Star plans and the Droids. I always accepted that Vader thought Padme died with a miscarriage and spent the rest of his days following Palpatine without a care of Tatooine since he only cares about remaining Jedi. I'm baffled that there was a need to go beyond that. A New Hope paints it clear that Obi Wan is the last of his time (save for Yoda) who only gives Luke any sense of guidance because two imperial droids are in his possession. Luke isn't some destined hero, he has destiny thrust upon him by coming across C-3PO and R2-D2 who were sent by Princess Leia. The droids are what kickstart the plot into something bigger, Obi Wan lies low until the princess herself calls to him. This is because Obi -Wan realizes Senator Organa is in trouble and he needs a young buck to help him get to Alderaan. Filling in events between movies I always found distasteful because there's this obsession with filling shit in without realizing the importance of downtime. Sometimes characters go their separate ways and do things that aren't really important or eventful until the opportune moment arrives and this seems to just be unacceptable with storytelling nowadays. This is the crux of why I have Star Wars fatigue because nothing is left to the imagination anymore, everything has to be explained and shown ad nauseam. It doesn't help that the more things are explained, the more questions and problems arise. Sorry about the rant but I did want to give credit to the clever twist in Empire that we seem to take for granted nowadays.
“Ack-schully…” Vader knew before Palpatine told him. According to the novel (which was based on the screenplay) Vader’s spies learned about Luke after he destroyed the Death Star.
aKctuALLy….. as a side note, that line from Palpatine was altered for the special edition. He doesn’t say the “son of Skywalker” in the original movie. But he does say, “Luke Skywalker.”
At first I thought Rich, Mike and Jay would look at the camera while an image of Chewie getting smooshed by a moon appeared. But now it looks like they're Boomerer than I am and somehow voluntarily know less about the Yuuzhan Vong. Well played.
I think only Rich has any notions about Star Wars Legends. He's big into comics I think, but I doubt he really read any Star Wars stuff. Jay and Mike probably couldn't care less
Mike's whole rant about how lightsaber's worked was actually what George Lucas told them originally hence why they use Kendo style (two hands) for the most part. Vader using one hand with his lightsaber was to show how powerful he was in the original trilogy. This obviously got thrown out with the prequels and basically it was power crept that Jedi's at the height of the Republic could basically just do anything. They did kind of bring this idea back in Book of Boba Fett when Mando lumbers around with the Darksaber because it's supposed to be super heavy
That explains why lightsabers should be harder for normal people to use them, but it doesn't explain why they don't just use the force for everything given how much more powerful the force is compared to a lightsaber. I think they were right that having the force do "limited" things with a lot of concentration would set better rules on how the force can work in occasional situations when needed to enhance the story being told.
I mean for me it makes sense that Lighsabers are lifted so casually by the Jedi since they are suppossed to be the strongest in the Galaxy, they trained their whole life and are force sensitive so of course they can do all the crazy sh@#, if anything it makes the difference between Luke a rookie and Anakin an uncrowned master more clearer
@@lanceareadbhar because jedi dont use the force the force uses them, actaully using the force is the dark side since that's going against the force/fate/the will of the galaxy.
The best part of the animated Clone Wars series was that they did what the prequels failed to do, they made me like Anakin. That show had him be everything they failed to put in Clones and RotSith. He is heroic, friendly, kind in a lot of cases, and complex. You get shades of the darkness to come, but it's not a case of a petulant brat as it is in the films. It builds him out in a way that was so good and having that character fall to darkness makes it actually feel tragic.
Well said Paul. The prequels were a mess for many reasons, but I think your point is spot on that Anakin seemed like just an awful person from the beginning
@@paulmartin6419 Weirdly enough, I feel the exact opposite. The prequel era always felt to me like the most vibrant and interesting part of Star wars. Not the movies, but the extended media around the movies had some real gems; the 2003 cartoon, a few book series and comics. Those were the only times Star wars felt like a real, living universe to me.
@@atreides213 You are definitely right. The original trilogy universe really doesn't feel like a functional place. It just feels like basic set-dressing for a rebels vs fascists story. And it feels like there is absolutely nothing happening in an entire galaxy that doesn't revolve around our main characters. The prequels feel like a galaxy that could actually exist and function and has things going on. The problem with the prequels wasn't the setting but the execution.
I believe a lot of Star Wars Fans forgot that the Prequels did a shit job at establishing the friendship between Obi Wan and Anakin because they watched the Clone Wars, which I'm told handled their friendship quite well. That's also why people feel nostalgic for Hayden Christensen and his portrayal of Anakin, because they watched the Clone Wars. But it wasn't Hayden Christensen's Anakin in the Clone Wars, nor was the Clone Wars George Lucas' Star Wars, it was Dave Filoni's animated show with a different Anakin actor.
Yeah, Anakin is practically a different character in Clone Wars. I’m quite fond of that show, but I’m not one of those people who thinks it makes the Prequel movies better - if anything, I feel like it makes them worse because the Clone Wars were more what the Prequels should’ve been.
100% correct. I grew up watching Clone Wars. I was not born yet when Phantom Menace came out and was around 8 when Clone Wars first started airing. Most of my memories of Anakin are him as the heroic yet impulsive Jedi portrayed in CW not the whiner in Episode II. Even something as small as the voice used for Anakin in CW makes him seem more heroic and emotive.
@@oneinathousand2156 If it makes something better, it‘s the context of the whole continuity. But in the first place, each movie and tv-show always stands on his own. I agree with you on that. Best Regards
Lucas oversaw all of the Clone Wars though. He micromanaged it almost as much as the movies, right down to changing the name of the Sith planet from Korriban. He always wanted Star Wars to be a multimedia project, the game-book-comic Shadows of the Empire almost got made into a movie in the 90s
No, its not the deus ex "force" that is the problem. Altough it is part of the problem. It is the inconsistency. Any issue that pops up or cool moment they need, is explained with the force. Like one of the most important things in a movie, show or books is CONSISTENCY. If a magic wand can throw spells with a magic word but NOT change shape or throw spells through thought. It is BAD WRITING to then later, change that. Like Obi suddenly being much stronger in the force than previously shown. Even Darth Vader using the force actively, something anakin was not prone to do. ESPECIALLY in fights. Stuff beyond their power level. Or when characters like Rey just suddenly do "new" things with the force just because. POOR WRITING. It does not have to be expressly stated. But if your protagonist Paul finds a stick and realizes it can do magic when he speaks some words from a book. You can`t later haver other people use their minds to cast or have the wand change shape. Because THEN you need to explain that. Not brush it off! Because the world suffers for it, it`s limits get washed out and us the audience struggle to suspend our disbelief if you start messing with the rules. It is simply stronger if Paul would discover that other shit by accident. Because you are world building. Setting the stage. Alluding to the limitations of the world, so we the audience can gauge what is happening. Like currency. It means fuck all if 10 dollars is 2 million vietnamese.. Whatevers. That tells me nothing. But if i know what a beer costs in vietnamese whatevers, that gives me perspective! That perspective is important to follow the story. And should not be undermined. If a fantasy world is attacked by monsters they gotta come from somewhere. If they later in the movie pop up somewhere unexpected and be like "oh yeah, btw we have this set of tunnels" that just throws any worldbuilding out the window.
Remember Midichlorians? Maybe they populate like bacteria in the jedi gut or something. So they should make midichlorian kombucha... brew the stuff somewhere and you could boost your "force", dunno just adding some flavor to the concept.. lol.
@@JOSEPH-vs2gc WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!? What if the Disney ppl read this shit. You KNOW how creatively inept they are. They will jump on this idea and have a whole new sixology. Star Wars: Kombucha Legends.
I know that RLM are intelligent enough critics to understand that for the sake of good storytelling, the Force can't be powerful enough to solve problems on its own. It lessens the stakes and blunts character growth when all their problems can be solved with a thought. That's why in the original trilogy, the Force was only a passive magic system. It helped in moments of great need, but was not an easy mode button. That aspect has eroded over the years as Lucasfilm has endeavored to appease fans by expanding the range of abilities Force users possess. It also doesn't help that the way in which Disney has depicted these new abilities has looked cheap and not been earned by the characters who use them.
It's worse than that. Disney lets the bad guys have virtually unlimited force power and ability. The only force ability bad guys don't have is the ability to beat the good guys. The only force ability the good guys have is apparently lifting rocks, and powerful ex machina moments that let you beat the bad guy because you're good and they're bad. Like, so a Palpatine-made clone can fuck with Kylo's dreams from across the galaxy and make him a bad guy (but that same dude doesn't also realize hey, Luke has pretty bad PTSD and anxiety over everything that happened, maybe we could also fuck with this dreams too and make him go crazy and possibly do some bad things as well). The best Luke's got is a younger looking projection of himself that lasts a couple of minutes.
@Michael Dunaieff Intelligent enough critics? Really? You mean, the same critics who ruined Jake Lloyd's life growing up? The critics who complains about Senate meetings that don't take too long in each prequel? The critics who almost made Ahmed Best commit suicide? The critics responsible for bringing Darth Maul in the Clone Wars in the most stupidest way possible? *That's bullshit!*
22:57 ive always thought that Lightsabers would have been cool if each saber was only useable by its creator. There is no external switch because the kyber crystal inside needs to be moved into focus using the force. This way, a saber could only be used by a jedi, and then it makes sense that it would be a really interesting artifact, but otherwise useless.
@YumYum What if the button broke? Would be cool in a movie everyone saying that piece of junk no work and when their friend life is in the line, they realign it and cover for their friend to escape. Too bad we got hacks that literally cant do anything right on purpose.
I always wondered why sabers turned off without fail whenever its wielder was disarmed or knocked over. The action to ignite and use one being more than just a button would make sense.
The crystals are aligned with tools and there is an external switch as well as a deadman switch. Lightsabers are also powered by power packs not khyber crystals. The crystals focus/amplified the energy not power the actual weapon itself.
So, like, I’m a pretty normal 43 year-old dude who was pretty nerdy as a kid and grew up loving Star Wars and everything, but somehow it wasn’t until Mike accidentally called George "Luke" in this video that it finally hit me: Lucas. Luke S. 🤯
How the scene with the star destroyer chasing the rebel transport should have ended: Inquisitor: "Kenobi is on that shuttle, but we must keep pursuing transport and destroy that rebel cell now while we have the chance." Vader: "No problem, I'll just take one of the 48 TIE fighters we have on board. You continue pursuit of the transport and order the other 47 TIEs to attack it in close combat. They'll have a better chance of hitting it."
@@AesirUnlimited Thinking about Vader stuck in the hatch of a standard TIE like a chubby cat in a shoebox. They've got a crane and a team of stormtroopers trying to get him out.
The actual answer is no. Kylo only intentionally killed a one of Luke's students, and Grogu wasn't there at all. Sadly this was in a comic mini-series rather than in the movie. That said The Rise of Kylo Ren is really worth reading. Really short and provides much needed context.
The incompetence of everyone below emperor/Vader level has become really grating. First stormtroopers on endor, then the prequel droids, now... everything. If a star destroyer can't take out a damaged transport in half an hour...why even have star destroyers? They don't have the staff and ships to pursue a transport AND a single escape pod? Vader took a shuttle down to the planet anyway, why would the star destroyer even need to change course?
Granted it’s probably more detail than anyone who watches the show would care to pay attention to, but id really enjoy it if through some show/movie they’d be able to show the Empire more as an endless bureaucratic and/or nepotistic mess. Would at least make sense
@@memeomeme8351 but that was retconned into being an intentionally designed fatal flaw by an imperial traitor. Wait, maybe Vader is a secret imperial traitor too?
@@memeomeme8351 That's a stupid point. It was made very clear, the shot was bascially impossible and Luke could only do it because of the Force. And obviously this ventilation shaft was not seen as a relevant weakness, as it was basically impossible to hit. And this even ignores the retconning in Rogue One. @provero5 Vader is heavily fucked as well: He forgets he can put out a fire with the Force 5 seconds after doing so. He forgets he can lift basically anyhting via the force 30 seconds after doing so. He forgets his armor is basicall fireproof when there is a fire in his way. He forgets that you can walk around a fire, when he wants Obi-Wan (which he explicitly sates! "Bring him to me!" is not ambivalent). Then later he forgets that a Star Destroyer has TIE-Fighters and that they are *really* good at destroying unarmed transport ships and even better at destroying or pursuing escape pods. Disney is simply incapable of writing good antagonists. They only know archetypes and they think "doing random shit and alluding to having a troubled past while torturing children" is enough to have a good redemption arc. There is no ambivalence in Reva. She is angry enough to just straight up murder people, she calmly wants to torture Leia and she nearly kills a completely innocent child. How is that redeemable?
I do love the description of how lightsabers should work, is exactly/very similar how they were described to work in the EU. Gyroscopic effect and the likes, thus the force was mandatory to wield one effectively.
@@LN997-i8x "Hey Owen, remember that time we tried to fight a Sith and got the shit kicked out of us but inexplicably weren't killed? Well this time they're only stormtroopers, so what's the _worst_ that could happen??"
It's true I never really got the sense of a friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan in the prequels either. In fact I got a sense of Anakin as being a sociopath who didn't like anyone except for Padme who he was unhealthily obsessed with.
No there was a friendship in episode 2 they were mentor student and friends and in the first half they were really good friends and anakin never hated obi wan but was angry with him, it's lucas direction that gave that impression they werent.
The problem with the show and the franchise over the past 25 years is that everything is a prequel and there is no drama. Leia gets captured, Luke is pursued by Reva, Kenobi and Vader fight twice. Pssst…..we all know what happens! Even when it starts telling stories post-Return of the Jedi, it can’t help but go backwards. Palpatine comes back in Episode 9, Luke saves the day in the Mandallorian, etc. The franchise is just stuck in this timeframe because of nostalgia but it sapps any new/interesting storytelling.
I like how Reva began to question if she was evil after nearly murdering an innocent child in a play to get revenge against someone else the child never met. Nevermind the innocent lady's hand she chopped off or the Jedi, who also was a youngling survivor of Order 66, she killed in cold blood. Wah wah.
Reva: Anakin is evil for killing Jedi and FUCK Obi Wan for training him! Also Reva: I'm going to get revenge on Anakin by killing a bunch of Jedi for him! wait wot *sigh* If the acting and writing were top-notch, this may even work. But they're not. They're not even close.
RE: How does Vader learn Luke's identity: There is a scene in Empire where Palpatine hologram calls Vader and tells him "This boy is the son of Anakin Skywalker" and we see Vader react to that with surprise. This is, of course, before the audience knows that Vader IS Anakin, and has only heard from Obi-Wan that Vader killed him. Keep in mind that the reason they felt safe hiding Luke on Tatooine is because Vader did not even know he had kids: he thought he killed Padme before they were born, and the fact that her children survived was kept secret, so Vader never had any reason to go looking on Tatooine for anyone. Star Wars canon actually is fairly consistent, but it's very poorly explained, especially in the movies, so to realize that it's consistent you have to read all the extra books and everything that explains it all.
Yeah but how common a surname is Skywalker? From Vader's perspective he knows that the Force was strong with this particular rebel because he sensed it during the Death Star battle. Then he learns that his name is Luke Skywalker and presumably it wouldn't be hard for Imperial intelligence to find out that he's from Tattooine. At that point how would it not be obvious to Vader that Luke is his son?
Your explanation is actually better than the actual canon story published by Lucasfilm around 2015: Vader finds about the identity of Luke Skywalker via Boba Fett in a freaking comic. That is not a lie.
@@Mantis42 it was. The scene was in the original, but they added more lines to make it make more sense because Lucas clearly didn’t know exactly what he wanted to do with the prequels at the time
What RLM show clearly shows is that these 3 guys put more thought into the the Star Wars story than anyone at Disney or Lucas can be bothered while being paid to do just that.
I felt nothing after watching this show. It didn’t justify its own existence and it really had the potential to be something special. The unmasking of Vader was the only scene that was emotional and genuinely great. Ewan carried the show but at the end of the day he couldn’t save it.
@@Tetragrammaton22 actually they did. They killed off the emperor and eliminated the blood lines plus many other things.. So now the next movie can expand on those ideas . But nope, fans cried and we got nostalgia and bringing back dead people 🙄
The thing about lightsabers is that I don't think they were ever really depicted as a *replacement* for blasters and ranged weaponry in the original trilogy. I haven't seen the films in a while, but I can only remember one scene where they were used against someone who didn't also have a lightsaber, and that was when Luke was attacking people at the Sarlacc Pit. And during that fight, he used his lightsaber to deflect a blaster bolt, but otherwise I don't think there were very many scenes of people deflecting blaster bolts with their lightsabers in the original trilogy. (Forgive me if I'm missing some instances.) My point is that I think lightsabers ARE NOT on par with blasters and other ranged weaponry even in the hands of a skilled user. A Jedi who has superhuman reflexes can deflect a handful of blaster shots, but an army of people with blasters would still have a very good chance of killing them (as we saw happen in the Order 66 stuff in Revenge of the Sith). So the whole point of the lightsabers originally is they were a ceremonial form of dueling between Jedi Knights, not a tool for modern warfare. I mean, just think of the real life situation of Japan when guns were introduced and used to pretty much exterminate the samurai who opposed the government, or how Oda Nobunaga defeated many rival warlords by incorporating firearms into his army, and you'll see the comparison. Basically, in the original trilogy, lightsabers were like a weapon of a bygone era of combat between "nobles" that were still around as a sort of remnant of that era. They weren't a replacement for blasters. Hell, Luke even used a blaster throughout A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. But I think basically what happened is that people made a ton of video games, extended universe stuff, and then the prequel movies that completely missed this point and forever fucked up lightsabers. My two cents.
Back before the prequels I always assumed master Force users were so OP they didn't actually need Lightsabers or Blasters anyway. Yoda didn't have one and neither did the Emperor. Vader didn't even need one to block blaster fire as evidenced in Empire Strikes Back. It being a ceremonial thing makes sense. Lets get it right. Vader and Kenobi were just try-hard weeaboo posers. C'mon man, the dude went around telling people his name was "Obi-Wan" when his real name is "Ben". Not to mention Vader's peculiar obsession with 10th century Japanese defensive headgear. Luke was young and impressionable, but alas he too was swept up and indoctrinated into the casual insanity that is melee vs ranged assault weapons.
That is pretty much agreed since only Jedi and Sith use them and by A New Hope the Jedi are long gone. Due mostly to Order 66. So the rest of the galaxy would little to no knowledge of them.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 "Hokey religions and ANCIENT weapons" he said. Meaning that it was ancient long long before the event's of order 66. That was simply the end. And I think less then half of the galaxy would have experience with them however many they were. So without Jedi or Sith involvement, how would ANYONE know?
The feeing I had on watching the OT back before any prequels was that there weren’t all that many Jedi left by the time Obi-Wan decided to train Anakin. They were already dieing out, hence the Emperor and Darth Vader’s ability to consolidate power using this “ancient religion”
In actual medieval history, having designated ceremonial dueling weapons was a big deal. Huge amounts of literature was written on the topic, and many specialty weapons existed that likely never saw an actual battlefield.
I normally don’t care about this kind of thing but it’s really driving me crazy how much stuff in the Obi Wan show retroactively cheapens a lot of the narrative and character details from the original trilogy.
It cheapens it by virtue of being ... cheap! :) The quality just isn't there, across all factors. Kenobi is basically the animated series brought to life, and that just isn't big enough, cinematic enough, weighty enough, to do anything but water down the characters in their original form. Don't get me wrong ... it's perfectly serviceable. But it's part of an overall process for Star Wars that takes something rarefied and turns it into something contrived. The humanity is lost from it as a result.
Meh it didn't cheapen it to me. Kenobi is only in the entire OT for less than under 20 mins alive and about 4 mins as a force ghost. Not much there to mess with. More like a continuation of the PT imo.
@@ateam404 It reminds me of Gandalf and his side quests in the Bilbo movies. If OT Obi-wan is the mysterious old hermit who is secretly the guardian of ancient knowledge, and then you explain his backstory as a struggling former soldier in detail... I dunno. It feels to me like you're taking away more than you add. On the other hand with Darth Maul cameos and everything else, it's clear that Disney is leaning towards some of the animated stuff. And I have no interest in any of that.
Another "spitting out coffee" moment is the scene we didn't see where the Storm Troopers dispatched to Tattooine during A New Hope are like "Yeah we tracked the droids to this farm but they wouldn't tell us anything so we executed them, something Lars I think? Yeah, their name was Lars." Vader's like "wait, what was that name???"
@@kenji-san4681 After that ridiculous scene in Kenobi, my headcanon is that Aunt Beru tried the same insane "we won't back down" shit she pulled with Reva on the stormtroopers that came around to question them and got lit up.
That is exactly how they portray Mando using the dark saber. George has actually said before that the original concept of the lightsaber was precisely what you're talking about; Lucas described it as a firehose of pure energy.
okay, then in prequels he makes them push items so easily and flip around with that light energy, Lucas is joke, why i hate Prequels so much it slap to face compared to 4-6
It's fucked up how Mike and Jay actually nailed exactly how Vader finds out how Luke is his son. In a canon Vader comic, that takes place between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, Vader finds out Luke is his son through Boba Fett, who was hired to capture the pilot who destroyed the Death Star. When Boba reports back to Vader, he says he didn't capture the pilot, but that he knew the pilot's name was Skywalker, and that's how Vader realizes Luke was his son. I dunno is this is genius, depressing, or both, but probably both,.
That's so incredibly and terribly sad IMHO. It's not genius, it's just terrible, terrible writing on behalf of everyone involved in anything post OT. The thing is, watching the OT as a kid, I, and so many other fans, came to the conclusion that Vader, having the force, in their first meeting and their collision, their fight simply FELT Luke was his son. We naturally understood this deep, natural, also outworldly father and son connection (that doesn't really exist but we all wish it did) is also what made him (Vader) let Luke live even if this budding young jedi was obviously a threat best dealt with expeditively. It was about family, and that's what was so strong about it. Having some bounty hunter or other say some dumb ass last name or something is so INFINITELY less interesting and satisfying than that.
Wasn't there a scene in Empire where Emperor tells DV that the offspring of Anakin Skywalker survived? I just always kinda figured that's how DV found out. 😂😅 That comic doesn't need to exist, lol
@@megazard5249 Even though the line about Luke being the son of Anakin wasn’t in the original, the special edition still has Vader refer to Luke as Skywalker when hunting him down saying “Skywalker is with them (Han and the others)” before the scene with the Emperor. So now it appears that Vader is simply lying that he didn’t know to hide his ulterior motive of having Luke join him to overthrow the Emperor, and it’s also implied that the Emperor knows about Vader’s plan and is most likely orchestrating the whole conversation to have Vader agree to bring Luke to him so he can be his new apprentice. So basically just a bunch of Sith mind games. Also in the comics, it’s revealed that Vader and Luke met between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. Luke tells him he is going to avenge his father by killing Vader to which Vader just steals his lightsaber. He is about to kill Luke when he notices the lightsaber Luke was using belongs to Anakin. So Vader probably had his suspicions on who Luke was and when Boba Fett tells him that Luke’s last name is also Skywalker, those suspicions are confirmed and that Luke really is his son.
@@codinghusky5196 Why should he just sense that he's his son for no reason? He never met him before. A reasonable explanation would be that everyone would know who destroyed the death star. Word comes around, Vader notices that the same guy who shared his last name blew up the death star and was strong in the force. Does some digging and hires spies and whatnot and confirms it. No reason for this shallow wanna-be deep nonsense.
@@nearlydead7510 Yeah, I definitely agree that it's most likely Darth Vader would eventually find out who blew up the Death Star sooner or later, since it made Luke kinda famous. Also, does everyone in Star Wars have a unique last name, or what? Hearing that a guy named "Skywalker" blew up the Death Star wouldn't be enough to make Vader go "oh shit that's definitely my son," would it? It could easily be his cousin or a total coincidence, so he'd probably need to search his feelings with the force or whatever anyway
Problem with the force is every new director keeps trying to over do itself. Like Emperor had lightening powers, he had it as he was Level 10 and other didnt know how to do it yet as they were level 5, even Vader couldnt use lightening. Now, anyone can do whatever they want with zero effort.
Power creep happens in fiction. Dragonball made Super Saiyan out to be this once in millennia rare achievement. Then it became a hard to achieve only by the elite through extreme stress and training. Then it became a child's play thing. Then it became "just feel a tingle on your back" no issue for any Saiyan making Super Saiyan 2, 3, God, etc. all necessary as new floors of power were established.
@@seanpace6501 It's because as far as the show tells us, all Saiyans (from planet vegeta anyways) used hate and anger to activate their powers. Goku activates his powers through wanting to protect and better himself. Vegeta tries to go his own way but has extreme difficulty. When he changes his heart though, he is able to achieve it much more easily, and they train their children in the proper method (while beating the hell out of them) so they can as well.
@@seanpace6501 DBZ is the worst model to apply to fiction in general. Good writers know how to work within set limitations by forcing characters to face challenges in creative ways.
@@cloudsteele1989 I think being more creative and having different abilities would have been nice. Once everyone has it they had to do it...again sort of with Gohan fighting Cell. Too often became "just get stronger and unlock new forms" rather than outsmarting opponents. Why I liked the start of the show when Piccolo and Goku were desperate against Radditz and couldn't solve it by powering up. Don't get me wrong, I love the show and animation, but there are elements that take tension out for me (along with death being a minor inconvenience).
You really get the impression that George Lucas prefers robots to people. He writes them so much better. You can see it clearly in THX1138, with those lovable robot traffic cops.
This show fixes the tiniest of continuity problems, by punching huge continuity holes within the established canon. This show falls apart when the member-berries wear off and you think about what you watched.
At the same time it's doing this, the story itself basically spins it's wheels for six episodes and, by the end of it, everything we knew _before_ the show started is _still_ in place by the _end_ of it. Nothing in this show creates a situation that leads towards what we see in Episode IV ..and I swear to god if someone is like "this show inspires Leia to become an Imperial Senator!" (after having now been associated with the Empire's #1 most wanted fugitive) I'm going to lose my mind
In 15 years when they remake A New Hope with the girl who played Leia in this she can have a scene where she talks to Luke about how much she too loved Obi-Wan and they can share a sad moment an do the kiss but this time it'll be a loving sisterly kiss instead of a swashbuckling hero kiss and you can feel good about the Cannon.
I guess ive always viewed lightsabers as sort of a tiebreaker. Like vader can absolutely use the force to clown on a rookie hes not worried about, but then when youre in a confrontation with someone whos just as in tune with it as you are you kind of need something to settle the score instead of just pushing your force juice at each other so the jedi sort of crafted an entirely new form of combat around it. When i imagine the forces effectiveness in fights i imagine theres a certain level of caution in using it against another force user because it still takes a second to focus and you never know if your combatant is better at it than you. Plus i can totally see if youre a space cop needing to plow through an army of droids every day maybe youd rather just use a lethal laser stick instead of having to constantly tune yourself in with the universe
@@PodreyJenkin138 I don't think it was a particular novel that made that statement. From what I know the EU (Legends) established over its long run that one of the basics of force training is for the user to apply a force barrier of sorts on their person so that they can protect themselves against some techniques such as push/pull. Just another reason why EU/Legends was better since they actually did expand a lot on many things.
FINALLY I get to find out what opinion I should have on the Obi-Wan finale!
After watching their previous video on the show, I'm perfectly happy with my own opinion this time :)
It was mostly crap, episode 5 was good because of the flashbacks and the sparring scene.
You'd have to be a pile of mush to watch it in the first place
I clapped when I saw Darth VAAAAAAA-DERRRRRRRRRR!
That sounds like a you problem, pal
The lovable cocky asshole, the strong sassy Princess, and the good-natured, wide-eyed farm boy. They start off with differing opinions, but their love triangle storyline really helps their true friendship shine through, and that's why I loved this episode of Mike, Rich and Jay talk about Star Wars.
It's like a poetry. It RHYMES
Rich is definitely the spicey Princess
@@thegadflygang5381 he's the wide-eyed farm boy
@@thegadflygang5381 Rich definitely knew they were brother and sister during the kiss
@@marshroanoke I think that's Jay, idk. I love how there's no doubt who the cocky asshole would be
The moment Rich realizes that they didn't even change Luke's last name is pure gold.
Same name living where Vader's mum last resided.
Lol Obi Wan doesn’t either
Jay really had the best casual logic reply to that. Darth didn't know Luke's name, then he hears the whole thing and flips... The force is strong with this one.
That mistake was on the movies them selves, not on the series
The galaxy was meant to be impossibly vast, Tatooine being a major backwater. Subsequent media revolving around Tatooine as well as other stuff makes the galaxy seem very small, so this is now an issue when it wasn't really before. The original movies have become recontextualised.
Rich: “Did Kylo Ren kill baby Yoda?”
Jay: “We can only hope”
😂😂😂
They undid season 2 of The Mandalorian in that disappointing Boba Fett show i think. Grogu or Rogu stopped the Jedi training with Luke.
@@Moloch187 Which is to say all Luke Deepfaker ever was was fan service to appease the fans after they got angry over episode VIII
I disagree with Rich I think this show blows
@@moscanaveia i mean common. That was it from the get go already. Cheap fanservice with horrible deep fale looks. And in boba fett luke skywalker legit looks like an early android model trying to emote human emotions There was no need for Luke to show up and be the one needing to train grogu.
@@Moloch187 thank god to be honest i couldnt bear seeing non emoting deep fake luke skywalker talking. It made my eyes and ears burn. The book of boba fett was horrible tho. The first two episodes were a chore to watch with him being captured by the sand people. I fell asleep like 15 times during those episodes. I'm just glad they dropped the grogu trained by luke thing. I just hope the 3rd season of mando isnt gonna turn into a dumb comedy because of taika
Everyone talks about Maul getting cut in half but no one mentions those 2 halves of him basically fall off a giant sky scraper …
He got that perk for "no fall damage "
I doubt he could focus enough in the moment honestly, but all jedi can slow their falls with the force, like what Kenobi did for Leia. Darth Maul missing his other half probably would be throwing off his concentration tho
They all talk about how stupid it is but it’s okay now because Star Trek was bad.
@@user-NameName yep. They’ve been worn down. Gotta give ‘em some credit, they’ve been doing this shit since Marvel’s Phase One.
@@sheepbentley4717 Possibly, but hate gives the sith their power, and at that time he was probably super pissed.
33:20 I love how Jay is just detached enough from everything that he can actually see the wood for the trees.
That moment was hilarious.
Lmao
@Flying Fists Star Wars is about family
@Flying Fists The prequels have always been poor and have made a mess of everything. It's only blind fanboys who refuse to see it.
@Flying Fists I like your reply and it is honest and polite. The prequels were no more aimed at kids than the original trilogy. This is a fundamental mistake many fans make and it does not excuse them. I know you aren't really trying to do that. I'm on your side, but they really are a horrible mess. We can all think of a myriad of ways Lucas could have tightened the plots, used practical effects where possible, and made better casting and writing decisions.
One of the biggest of course is making Anakin a very young boy and then having an extremely poorly unfocused story with frivolous elements. It was obvious even to me when the trailers came out that Anakin should have been 16 years old already. Charismatic, interesting, but some signs of damage. What a mess those films are. God christ.
If the prequels really were that good there would not be discussions like this and a general consensus they are great. People like to tear down Jedi, and it has it's serious faults, but it also delivers some of the greatest scenes of the saga. We all know the Ewoks were a mistake, and we know Han and Leia should have had a better treatment.
Yes at least the prequels felt like Star Wars, and there are some stand out moments, but it is a mess. Disney learnt nothing really.
My problem with Kenobi is that it was a story that never needed to be told.
Obi Wan living as a hermit on Tatooine for 18 odd years made sense.
Hell even a series about his struggle to stay hidden and eek out a living in the desert would have been good (the obvious drawback being ANOTHER Star Wars project being based in Tatooine).
It really is ridiculous that a sci-fi serious that is supposed to be set in a whole GALAXY focuses so much time on a desert planet that was clearly supposed to be a backwater planet that no one really wanted to be.
Disney would never do a show like that. They know the kids just want to see space battles and lightsaber duels.
@@killergoose7643 By kids you of course mean 30 and 40 year olds males right
@@killergoose7643 no, they know the manchildren will complain if they don’t get the flashbacks and cameos they want
No it did, I always wanted to see Obi wan do some Obi Wan stuff and meet Vader at least 1 time before ANH
The problem with having Qui Gon narrate the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise is that it's not a story a Jedi would tell
Uh but qui gon has always been a rebel, who defied the jedi council xD its all setup in advance! George Lucas is a real genius! It all makes sense, Stop asking questions!
Have young Count Dooku tell it
@@diddymelone2265 It's like poetry, it rhymes.
@@bulldozerchn Will they dig up Christopher Lee's corpse and then de-age it and use his soundboard to tell the story?
@@muntersquad3777too soon, bruh
Too soon 😅😂😮😮😢
May the Force be with you.
Always. 🌌 🚀
Dear God.. The video description is a masterpiece... Have I been missing crucial RLM lore by not reading every video description!?!
You can tell Mike wrote it, because it talked about covid and made fun of rich
Yea there usually pretty good
I want the recipe for Clown Soup™️
I laughed myself sick reading this and spilled my Clown Soup™ everywhere.
@@Teamsoakbeans you good man?
Continually having power creep with your characters is fine, but not if your story isn't in chronological order.
That's why prequels are toxic.
Progressing is good and normal BUT you cant show this kinda of hotness and ask us to PRETEND they are related to the og movies with different ideas on power and how the force works.
It like having 2 matter changing magics in one book, it one or the other.
DBZ is the classic example of meaningless power-level inflation. Funny how so many other shows follow its lead.
@@CJWilly Yeah but DBZ is at least chronological. We aren't hopping back in time to find out characters were actively 200x more powerful than they are chronologically later.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 That's how I've always thought of it. The prequels has an army of Jedi, all trained. You have your strongest force users (Obi-wan, Yoda, Palpatine, Anakin, and Count Dooku) who do crazy things. So, while not perfectly consistent, there's some logic there. But, then you go to the last trilogy and all of that goes out the window. Even if Rey is super powerful, like Anakin was, she ended up using her powers like the super powerful people who had lifetimes of training with very little training.
I still don't understand how Reva not only got off of the planet after being stabbed (what ship did she suddenly find?), nor why she decided to go after Luke. Reva didn't know Leia or Luke were Vader's children, she only kidnapped Leia to draw out Kenobi. So... Why did she want to kill Luke? What vengeance would she have gotten in killing a random child she only knows has some connection to Kenobi? My poor brain.
Sith are not the most emotionally stable people.
If apprently she can put 2 and 2 together that Vader was Anakin, it wouldn't surprise me if she figured they were Vader's kid
@@distinguishedallureproduct879 but Vader doesnt even know his own kids exist or are alive. Last he saw Padme she was pregnant and he "kills" her. So how does Reva manage to piece that together when the only people that know are Kenobi, Yoda, Bail and his wife, Owen and Beru.
I mean she literally had Leia as a hostage and didn't know she was a skywalker. So how does a broken recording of Bail saying "Owen, Tatooine, the child" give her any context clues to Vader's lineage?
Yeah that was the worse part about episode 6. No time to breathe on that thing. Then also Obi wan has to go there fast to end that other arc
@@medhathobo except palpatine
Jedi knights were cooler when they weren't unkillable superheroes. A lifetime of martial arts discipline and attuning to the force would give you an advantage over the average person in combat, but you wouldn't literally bring a sword to a gunfight and easily overpower 100 people shooting at you. The lightsaber was an ancient weapon that was used to challenge others trained with it for the sake of tradition, not because it was better than absolutely EVERYTHING else.
With current jedi rules, luke skywalker could have landed on endor and just ripped the shield generator apart with the force in less than a minute. It's like watching superman fight: why the fuck do i care about the conflict if i know there's no danger?
cause good witers can give him a conflict, duh
They would make good special forces now that I think about it.
thats why i hated clone wars
Because there is more to fights and conflicts, than winning or losing.
“If you care about Star Wars canon it would be impossible to enjoy Star Wars.”
That really does explain Star Wars fans.
I care about Star Wars canon but I forgive it plenty when it's not perfect. I am still trying to figure out when the hell Kenobi owned R2-D2, so the "why didn't _______ just use the force to do ________???" stuff does not bother me, lol.
@@TheRoyalFino He didn't; R2 was lying as a means to get to Kenobi somehow. Throw in the Prequels, it's because he used to be Anakin's, and was hoping he might remember him.
@@KanyeT1306 Also Disney: "Lets just throw out ANY previosuly written material, and just go our own direction with it!"
Again, Disney: "Man, being consisten i so haard! We gotta like think and stuff.. I wish there was like, some material we could have used as an outline for our stories.."
That's the problem with fanboys: they get so distracted with details and minutiae, treating them like the most important things, and forget about what really matters, such as the general premise, the ethos, the mood, the entire point of the whole thing.
@@blueshit199 we are reminded about that daily. Literal crymanbabies.
I can't get over that twist when Reva told Obi-Wan, "I'm Reva... Reva Skywalker." I CLAAAAAAAAPPED! You keep on hitting homeruns, Disney!
At-sts at-sts!!!
@BK Beatty Darth Wade-r*
'I shouted, I fist-pumped the air, I cried, I stood and cheered,'
Little does she know she's actually a Palpatine.
I laughed, I cried, I shit bravo Disney
The look on Mike’s face when Jay points out Mike just recycled a Rian Johnson plot beat is truly priceless.
And he had totally forgotten about it too lol
@@unclephillymya you need to rewatch that part 29:28
I hated the way it was executed in the film. Didn't feel like we had enough flashbacks to get to that point. It kinda just happens
Stories stretched out beyond breaking point with filler? "Oh no! They're coming for us! We've got to run down this hallway to get away!" Wow, honestly didn't realise Disney were such big fans of classic Dr Who.
Everything the obi wan show tried the last jedi did better
"If you cared about Star Wars cannon, it would be impossible to enjoy the new Star Wars." Indeed, Rich, you've described my anguish perfectly
I dont think anyone who spells it "cannon" ever cared about canon.
Star Wars is very accurate about human nature.
People who claim to love the myth end up diluting and ruining it for their own gain.
The question is: Why should I care about Star Wars canon? It's all a fun show, but in the end it's just entertainment. A few hours of diversion. Why do people take this shit so seriously that it almost induces them to have a heart attack over whether that window in Jar Momaw Fett's space office was round or octagonal in the first prequel duology's comic book adaptation?
@@karry299 both apple and android default autocorrect “canon” to Canon or cannon, but good gatekeeping.
@@gspendlove Well, how about this. Would you care if Han just walked up to Vader in Revenge of the Sith, took his gun back, slapped him, and then shot him to bits? Movie over? I think you would. Because consistency keeps you engaged. A show is truly good when you can come back years later and find little to zero inconsistencies. It's why Lord of the Rings has stood the test of time, among other classics. People care about the canon of a thing because they are emotionally invested in the entertainment. It's the creator's job to cast a spell over his audience and engage them, and the stronger the illusion, the stronger the engagement. Personally, the more tighter a script is, the more respect I have for the people who wrote it, and the more devoted I am to their fantasy, because it shows me that they are deeply invested in my ability to get lost in their fictional world.
That point at 22:20 Mike is going on an angry rant about lightsabers, Jay looks at the camera and either gives the audience “the look” or whoever is behind the camera is absolute gold. Jay is so underrated
The only time people rate Jay poorly is in relation to Rich Evans, and rightly so, for Rich Evans is the friends we made along the way
To Rich’s point about the laser sword, I always thought, until the prequels of course, that a light saber was a crutch for force users that hadn’t mastered the force yet. That’s why the Emperor was mocking Luke by saying “Take your Jedi weapon” in return of the Jedi. Because both he and Yoda had no sabers…until the prequels…
Thats my head cannon now.
Same here...
Obi-Wan had a lightsaber in New Hope though.
@@RandomlyAwesomeFilms Head canon is the only sane canon anymore, when it comes to Star Wars... and Star Trek.
@@nolandavis1129 cuz he was an old man that was essentially still a hermit. No where near Yoda or palpy. And Vader was constricted to using a saber forever because he got burned up by lava
The fact that it actually was a 2 hour movie script written in 2017 which was stretched into a 6 hour tv show script shows us how smart Mike really is
He's going to find out and then make a video to flex about it. In response to the "Mike is so stupid" video by Rich and Jay when he got it wrong which trilogy had the clone Palpatine and which had the real one.
@@AnnaMarianne Also the fact he mentions that the lightsabers are heavy to an untrained user, which is true in rebels with the dark saber. Disney needs to hire mike as the lore master
Nah he just cant admit it was garbage writing
6 30 minute episodes
@@ottoginafiel5468 But that statement is true though, It was meant to be a movie but since solo flopped and barely make any money Disney panicked and force the Creator to turn the obi-wan movie into a show.
33:24 "I think he just figured it out cause both their last names were Skywalker."
I laughed in much the same way as Rich did at exactly the same time, which in turn made me laugh even harder.
Alec Guinness once said in an interview that George's scripted dialogue in A New Hope was "absolutely appalling"
Still better than the script in Space Cop.
@@arbiter8246 Too much rhyming
"and he was a good friend"
“Ah, there you are.”
@@arbiter8246 so it wasn't just me thinking that their pet project should have been funnier
Jay: "I'm beginning to think Star Wars is kinda stupid." Rich: "Welcome to the party." Perfect!!
Yeah I loved that exchange. It was a wildly inconsistent universe even before Disney came a long.
You’d expect Rich to be saying that to Jay, not the other way around
Disney really needs to stop hiring indie writers that haven't done more than one project.
@@gobshitescholarship7043 it works for the animated movies, so I don’t se them stopping.
I got excited at 19:13 Mike when says, “Let me get all this out.”
That’s the reason we’ve been watching Red Letter Media for 12+ years. 🤣🤣🤣
the reason the emotional core of the obiwan tv show is seemingly missing is because an absurd amount of modern star wars lore clings desperately onto the clone wars cartoon for dear life.
Its Because of the failed prequels mainly
I can’t tell you how often when people critique the prequels someone says “they’re redeemed by the Clone Wars show.” And I will them that you shouldn’t need to rely on supplementary material (after the fact) to give value to your existing content. That’s like saying “we’ll this video game I bought was bad but when I got the DLC it became good!”
Additional content should add to something whole , not be it’s missing part.
@@bauer0788 Cracked has a good video talking about this trend in movies.
@@bauer0788 well also the clone wars isn't that good, it's a cartoon for children
@@incognito9292 this is what everyone who consumes exclusively content for children says
33:19 Lmao, Jay basically nailed it. I know y’all don’t care about expanded media, but in the comics Boba Fett is hired to find the dude that destroyed the Death Star by Vader, and he reports back with only one name, “Skywalker.” Dun dun dun!!!
Yeah, you're absolutely right. We don't give a shit about expanded media.
There's a really cool panel just after that moment in the comic where Vader is shown in silhouette and you can see the outline of Hayden Christianson Anakin and Natalie Portman Padme on Geonosis as they share a kiss before being carted into the arena.
The last 10 minutes of this episode; *Disney execs unironically taking notes like RLM were spitting gold*
I wish they would, because RLM's joke ideas are always more interesting than the shit Hollywood actually ends up making...
@@korganrocks3995 AMEN! WELL SAID SIR.
Didn't they announce animated series with young Dooku and young Qui-Gon? I'm sure I've seen some promos
A wise man once said :" Don't ask questions, consume product. Get excited for next product."
Never think about the product you must consume or you may find the product is actually growing mold all over it.
I think Quee-Gon said that in AOTC.
I love when Mike pronounces Padmé's name as "Padame"
padame amadalin
Count Doku
Quee-Gon Jin
Or Snuffleuppagus
My favorite part during their fight is when Vader attacked Obi Wan with rocks from above. He literally attacked him with the “High Ground”. It’s like pottery.
I love pottery
I don’t, it’s course and rough.
@@jackunderhill4444 but it can smooth and soft.
@@mrdrprof99 but then it breaks easily….
@@makasete30 just like the Star wars lore
30:00
"Did Kylo Rem killed Baby Yoda?"
"We can only hope."
The actual answer is no.
Kylo only intentionally killed a one of Luke's students, and Grogu wasn't there at all.
Sadly this was in a comic mini-series rather than in the movie.
That said The Rise of Kylo Ren is really worth reading. Really short and provides much needed context.
Im so glad there are others like me
The Book Of Boba Fett reveals Baby Yoda's (current) fate.
Well no because if you've seen Book of Boba Fett...
Kylo Rem is Kylo Ren's cousin, who was horribly disfigured by radiation poisoning due to a leaky hyperdrive. We don't talk about him.
18:40 "It looks cool, but it drives me fucking nuts." -- "That's Star Wars :)"
That really is the essence of the whole franchise for the past 35 years.
Yep; non-rational indulgence.
Mike pronouncing “Dooku” as “Doe-Koo” will never get old for me.
According to Lucas, Count Dooku's name comes from the japanese word doku (meaning poison), so it makes more sense than you might think.
And instead of Padme, Padumay
and rich for some reason saying "kwee-gon jinn" despite everyone around him saying it correctly.
I think that is actually how GL said the name. It's just all the actors and people that say it with easier vowels in English.
If you knew what it means in portuguese you would like it even more.
The whole point Obi-Wan is on Tatooine is to HIDE from the Empire, to watch and protect Luke, and to not be slaughtered by the Emperor's new enforcer.
Then he proceeds to do the opposite.
Thanks for pointing that out.
To me they could never have that make sense no matter how good it was.
Vader and Obiwan met for the first time in decades at the Death Star except for those other 4 times that it happened i guess idk buy Disney+
and he does it again to give Leia a pep talk and also Lola
And opens the door to why Vader didnt just go kill him? Like bring the whole empire to take him out... or use the death star?
This breaks star wars because the people who wrote it dont care about you.
To be fair, Star Wars has always been goofy pulp nonsense. Lucas could barely hold together a continuity over the original trilogy... and people expect this shit to hold together after 40 more years, 8 more movies and a half dozen TV shows?
I love how every time Rich Evans says he doesn't care about Star Wars canon, they show the Star Wars cannon.
He's selective about what continuity (canon) he cares about like everybody else. I dont think hes drawing a real distinction between him and anyone else really.
I missed that the first time lol
@@RandomlyAwesomeFilms for sure, he's just telling his own opinion. Just thought the editing was funny lol
This is perfection, it was meant to be the wrap up for the Obi-Wan series but it feels like a wrap-up of the entire franchise. _"They didn't even change Luke's name!"_ 😂💯
"I'm starting to think Star Wars is kinda stupid." -Jay
The franchise in a nutshell...wasn't expected to be so big, and had a lot of shortcomings the more you look into it. Disney makes it ALL the more obvious...
The original stand alone trilogy is great and the mystery behind the Force could gloss over plot inconsistencies.
The prequels were terrible and the sequels even worse, as they ruined the legacy of established characters
Disney did not make it obvious. They just did nothing with anything.
Star Wars should have ended in 1983. And maybe do something more with books, comics and videogames (the expanded universe)
@@KorporalNoobs They did plenty, just nothing that really furthered it along in a positive way. Quite the opposite.
@@geddyleesquire It did.
"If you cared about Star Wars canon, it would be impossible to enjoy Star Wars." -- insanely accurate, Rich.
Exactly. That one stuck to me, too.
Yeah, felt called out there. Couldn't appreciate any of the good aspects of this show because all the lore breaking bothered me too much.
If Disney Lucas film dose not care about continuity and narrative, why should I care about Disney?
I can manage both, but it does sometimes get in the way.
Rich is always on point unless he is star wars theory
I love how Jay starts laughing *immediately* every time Mike starts a sentence with "Do you remember when..".
33:23 love how Jay casually points out the biggest plothole in all of Star Wars and Rich’s brain snaps
well to be fair vader hated tatooine and thought his kids were dead.
This may be irrelevant, but when Hitler rose to power he made a concerted effort to purge as much evidence of his past as possible (he even had his old school demolished). It's not beyond credulity to think Vader *might* send a squad to destroy the Lars homestead and his mother's grave etc.
If we ignore the prequels (which we should, as they add tons of continuity errors), Vader had nothing to do with Tatooine. I also feel like there can't be just 1 guy in the Galaxy named Skywalker.
Wrong, Luke's dad grew up with Owen on Tatooine acc. to Obiwan in ep4.
@@nearlydead7510 cope cope cope
I just loved seeing Vadar landing his shuttle approach Obi and ask "So have you come to destroy me Obi-Wan?"
@@cartoonking1789 needs a tune up at EmPalSuRecon
@@N0TYALC Well, the star destroyer is obviously in orbit waiting for him. Was he going to call on a space uber once his business was concluded?
@@TheRedGauntlet Yeah those star destroyers have like 90 TIE fighters on board. This show is garbage
@@TheRedGauntlet TIE fighters have no hyperdrives (at least not until the sequels). Good luck following a ship that has one.
@@KarmaKahn Was it, though? I feel like Obi-Wan couldn't have left so easily if it were.
Disney Star Wars: Where any character can get stabbed in the stomach by a lightsaber and be perfectly fine in the next episode.
It's just a flesh wound
Apparently the Grand Inquisitor’s species has two stomachs which is why he survived, but you wouldn’t know that unless you looked that specific information up and he just excuses it using the “Man Literally too Angry to Die” meme.
@@oneinathousand2156 Apparently Reva must have THREE stomachs....
They are just special light sticks in Disney canon.
When Obi-Wan shouted “It’s Kenobi time!” I cheered. It reminded me of the hit film Morbius.
Is that the hit Sony film that made Morbillions?
I loved it when he Orb-ed out
Hope this is sarcasm?Morbius was a sh*t movie.
Then he killed all those dudes with his light saber and said "Catch ya on the flip side, Tatoo-weenies!" Then he did a force flip and dunked a basketball.
@@yostugotz5619 uh oh we got a morbophobe in here
I want a season 2 where obi wan is just messing with uncle Owen by moving his farming equipment and using the force to troll him.
Force wedgies would be funny.
The last episode proves that this entire series could’ve just been a 2 hour movie. Probably would’ve been better that way, honestly.
It probably was a movie at one point.
IT WAS! The screenwriter said it was supposed to be a movie trilogy but Solo’s performance tanked the idea
@@ShadowtheRenamon cuz it was alongside booba feet
I wish it had been a movie. Can't wait to see an edit of it
@@yash_kapoor Trilogy omegalul
Don't forget, Count Dooku was young Qui-Gon's master before he turned evil, so you'd have to include middle aged Jedi Dooku as well
Awesome! A deaged, albeit dead Christopher Lee, played by a stunt double, wearing a green mask so the computers can go "WHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR," and give him a terrible computer face. Maybe he can bounce off the walls while flailing his laser sword and use the force to throw Yavin 2 at Darth Plagueis -- all while we destroy the dignity of another legendary actor, because Disney owns anyone who has ever been in a Star Wars movie even in death. Do you smell that? It smells like Nerd money.
@@SSky06 not only computer face, voice too, a completely fake human just for a silly plot point, right up Disney's alley
@@SSky06 No they'll just use the clone wars 3d face! They can even use the animated show actor, the algoritm said it's popular.
when jay derailed the speculation about how Vader learned who Luke was, by pointing out they shared a surname, i clapped
dumb nitpick of course but when they're talking about Vader finding out who Luke is at around 34:00, there is literally a scene in Empire where Vader talks to the Emperor and the Emperor literally tells him "hey that kid that blew up the Death Star is the son of Anakin Skywalker." so to me that's definitely possible to be the point he finds out for the first time.
That’s also a Special Edition change though. Not saying it’s not “canon” now but there’s a decent chance the RLM boys have never seen that version or don’t remember that dialogue, if they aren’t just contemptuous of the change.
@@halfbreedjew2377 No even in the original scene with the original emperor he says "We have a new enemy....Luke Skywalker..."
Doesn't the opening title crawl say Darth Vader is obsessed with finding Luke? While they never met in ep 4, he did have the "The force is strong with this one." moment.
I assumed that in between the films he does what he told Luke to do. He searched his feelings and something something force. Yoda even explains that the force lets you see through time and space and, uh, love. It makes much more sense to me that he knew Luke's identity from the very start of Empire.
and i always had the impression james earl jones tried to use jedi mind tricks on luke though luke resists, he still fears for the safety of leia which i assumed based on the way he phrases the next line: "sister, you have a sister. If I can't get what you want from you I'll get it from her" or something to that effect, which causes luke to go berserk and embrace the dark side [?] or maybe im wrong I haven't watched the films since childhood
I think the implication was: 1. Luke's identity is made public after blowing up the death star 2. Vader finds out from the emperor. I think the modern versions do both and the original is maybe just more number 1
The Obi-Wan show was 5 hours of content just to fix a single throwaway line in ANH that “a young Jedi named Darth Vader" killed Luke's father. Just like Solo was two hours of content to fix the "less then 20 parsecs" line.
Does that line in a New Hope even have to be fixed? I always assumed Obi Wan was altering the story to put Luke's mind at ease, so he wouldn't think his father was the tyrant that Darth Vader is. It felt like a calculated lie to keep Luke out of trouble and not feel the need to go running off and getting himself killed.
@@ihappy1 actually, he meant it. Vader killed Luke's father. But in Episode 5 they retconned that.
It never needed to be fixed. Obi Wan was clearly lying to not hurt Luke.
Oh no, you forgot the most important thing in Solo ... the Dice ... They're the most significant thing in StarWars.
@@ihappy1 I thought of it as that, but also as it was metaphorically true: the Vader persona took over and "killed off" who Anakin used to be. Which I guess is reiterated here? I haven't watched the show, but I assumed the main point was to establish when Obi-Wan learns who Darth Vader is.
"If you cared about Star Wars canon it would be impossible to enjoy Star Wars"
Damn he's actually right.
i dont care about star trek canon yet new trek still upsets me
@@Inkdisc Nu-Trek, like the SW prequels/sequels, is all completely inconsistent with their franchise's original work. Practically different entities than what they once were, before their respective reboots (Phantom Menace / Force Awakens & Star Trek 09).
It's definitely hard to separate all the great stuff of the past from all the muck nowadays, but the truth is that these franchises died a long time ago. Their corpses are on display for all to see (on Disney + & Paramount +, specifically).
@@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u I'm fortunate I have no problem separating old vs new Trek. The differences on every level between the periods are so large you can trivially draw a line between them and ignore everything past that line.
Oh nooo... consistency!!
@@TheVivapinsam *inconsistency
Man, please never stop doing this content. It’s been 7 years watching you and each upload entertains me as much as the first I saw. Thank you so much.
Too bad they retire tomorrow.
7 years? Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in this racket.
Same. I don't two flying fucks about star wars, or trek. Yet somehow they still manage to make me want to watch these. Is this Stockholm syndrome?
@@adamjamestattoos The human body cannot survive for long without hearing the soothing sounds of Rich's laughter
For me each upload gets better
"I'd just start chopping 'em up."
Mike knows that'll work. He's watched Surviving Edged Weapons.
41:00 , what rich is describing is literally what happens in the kenobi novel ! where he has to reject a lady who falls in love with him because he needs to stay back and keep an eye on luke
I love how they are legit picking the good stuff from the EU without really knowing they are.
A love story would have been really good for the plot imo. But we got the Tala girl
@@dingleburryjoe9437 read a book called “Kenobi”
"We do not measure a culture by its output of undisguised trivialities but by what it claims as significant."
"For in the end, he was trying to tell us what afflicted the people in 'Brave New World' was not that they were laughing instead of thinking, but that they did not know what they were laughing about and why they had stopped thinking."
"People will come to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think."
Some quotes from "Amusing Ourselves to Death" by Neil Postman, a book which the Disney corporation seemingly mistook for an instruction manual.
The first one's really interesting given the modern day because I feel like we've run into a bit of a problem about *everything* being significant and its backlash position that nothing is significant (or maybe just that if everything is significant it all becomes white noise for people and they cease wanting to hear about any of it anyway). I say that's interesting because it manages to be functionally the same while approaching it from a slightly different angle than in a 'Brave New World'.
@@ryanjones_rheios That's an interesting hypothesis on the origins of nihilism in society you've written up. Dostoevsky would be proud.
I could see the situation you describe being what led to Brave New World's social structure for sure. They revere industry (they worship a car manufacturer... prescient), entertainment, physical pleasure, distraction, casual sex, the "feelies" (an apt description of modern cinema), and use drugs to prevent themselves from becoming depressed. They detest family, monogamy, mothers (the concept and especially the word), repairing products, and any heterodoxy is considered immediately suspect. I see a lot of parallels there to the modern age, and I can imagine that after a period of time where different groups vied for social control there was finally a winning side; the side selling all the products (making sure they break and become obsolete regularly, of course). Power goes where people think it already is.
I don't believe this is necessarily anyone's plan; it's beyond the power of one man. This is the path that the majority are taking, and it's easy to see why. Who would want to feel bad and have to overcome that when you could just take drugs and shut off? Hopefully we would...
"Moreover, we have seen enough by now to know that technological changes in our modes of communication are even more ideology-laden than changes in our modes of transportation. Introduce the alphabet to a culture and you change its cognitive habits, its social relations, its notions of community, history and religion. Introduce the printing press with movable type, and you do the same. Introduce speed-of-light transmission of images and you make a cultural revolution. Without a vote. Without polemics. Without guerrilla resistance. Here is ideology, pure if not serene. Here is ideology without words, and all the more powerful for their absence. All that is required to make it stick is a population that devoutly believes in the inevitability of progress. And in this sense, all Americans are Marxists, for we believe nothing if not that history is moving us toward some preordained paradise and that technology is the force behind that movement."
It aint that deep bruh. And if it is what you're describing already happened 50 years ago with advent of modern television/cinema. Quit blaming Disney for your own existential issues. If it wasn't them it would be another company. This is the inevitability of human nature.
@@alexanderthegreat7329 I don't blame Disney. I blame people suffering from amathia.
Your hypothesis is that the human race has become as intelligent as it will ever be, that we've had the most brilliant scientists and philosophers and societies already, and that now the trajectory toward idiocy and societal collapse is inevitable.
Why do you believe that? It just seems like such a bleak view of the world to me. Is there anything you consider a virtue, anything that is good?
@@alexanderthegreat7329 Also, could you explain whether the "it" you reference in your first sentence is "Brave New World" or "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business". Either way, both works are obviously far deeper than merely the excerpts I quoted. They're entire books; there's a great wealth of information and inspiration in the narrative of "Brave New World", as well as complex problems of individuality vs conformity, freedom vs slavery, philosophy vs nihilism. It's a classic for a reason.
"Fun" fact: Chewie died when a moon fell on him as they left him behind on a planet that was doomed. No one "force threw" it though.
I got Peter Mayhew to autograph the book where that happened. Under his name he wrote "Chewie Lives".
@@Trilaan tongue in cheek I presume
@@Junuman1 The first thing he did when I put it in front of him was make a cross out of his fingers to ward it away.
Legends? Lmao. Stop, just stop. Legends never happened
@@John-jt4ol Here's a news flash. Nothing Star Wars ever happened, it's all fiction.
All of the classic expanded universe has better writing than anything the Disney activists have lazily tried to copy.
And that's the Star Wars fiction I enjoy.
When I was learning to fly propellor planes, my instructor had me hold a rod with a spinning bicycle wheel on the end of it. It’s not easy to move such a rod in the intended direction. That’s what Mike’s description of lightsabers sounds like.
what are you a ww2 conscript? fly a jet
There is something in a Darth Vader comic that uses the force in a cool way like Mike suggested.
Vader fights against the scientist who designed his suit and the guy shuts it down so Vader can't move so Vader uses the force to move his own body and more or less tells him 'Bitch I don't need your science, I got the force lmao'
Of course his suit has a shutdown button, as if all the beeping and the shoes that don't fit weren't enough.
@@someguy1478 I believe the exact line from the comic is 'Beepity boo, the force ain't with you'
Those comics are utter garbage.
@@cynix1913 I wouldn't say garbage, some of them are pretty cool, but they don't have amazing writing, I'll give you that.
There's a snippet in Shadows of the Empire where it explains that Vader is practicing not needing his suit to breathe (that's why the helmet is off in ESB.)
I really liked how Reva turned out to be Leia the whole time, really blew my mind. That & how Obi-wan was Liam Neeson. Oh, & Vader was a wampa. Such a twist.
I loved it when Jeff Goldblum and Gandhalf blew up those damn Ewoks.
It subverted the fuck out of my expectations
Sounds better than what they actually did. 😂
Obi-Wan Leeson had a special set of skills
@@nicholastotoro7721 Darth Taken
41:00 I always love when Rich keeps talking even though his oxygen supply is running out and desperately needs to take a breath.
Milwaukee is 6000 feet above sea level after all
When Jay said that the moment where Vader “absolves” Obi wan of killing Anakin, I agree that’s one of the best moments/ideas in the series. Even if not executed perfectly, we get to see the growth from the grieving obi wan at the end of Revenge of the Sith, to obi wan in A New Hope who is at peace with himself. Likewise, I like how this series changes the tone of Leia’s plea for help to Obi Wan. It’s not just a call to a random eccentric Jedi in hiding, she’s reaching out to someone she knows personally and has a deeper connection to. “My only hope” indeed.
I know it's a running joke for Rich to say that Star Wars is creatively bankrupt, but I don't think that's true at all. Star Wars isn't creatively bankrupt - the people who own Star Wars don't want to take any risks with it. The Star Wars video games, for example, have created tons of interesting new ideas and concepts for the Star Wars setting. You can go back as far as Tie Fighter or Dark Forces, Knights of the Old Republic, etc., and find lots of interesting ideas, characters, and situations to enjoy. But the people in charge of Star Wars do not want to go in new directions, they want to make money. That means blue laser swords and red laser swords and X-Wings and Darth Vader and Death Stars. That means making movies or shows about every reference, character, or story connected to the original trilogy, and seeding that content with new characters like Reva or Cara Dune which they can then make more crap about until they make back their 5 billion dollars.
that is why they should not have scrapped the expanded universe, at the same time they did not have to adhere to it completely, just enough that it provided continuity and logic to the ongoing conflict (Imperial Remnant, the Sith). Then for the sequel trilogy they should have recast the main characters - Luke, Leia and Han and pick up where the original trilogy ended. Have two plotlines - Luke establishing new Academy on Yavin 4 with Kyle Katarn learning from past mistakes of the Jedi Order and discovering the resurgence of the Sith and Leia and Han establishing the New Republic and fighting the Imperial Remnant.
I'm just happy Kreia, Darth Nihillius, Revan and other will never get disneyfied
@@itsokay7989 He clearly means KOTOR or Dark Forces or Jedi Outcast or any of the old Lucas Arts games from the 90's and not the modern stuff.
@@itsokay7989 Yeah that's literally the point they were making, the Star Wars universe is not inherently impossible to make great media out of, but Disney is the worst possible company to be the arbiters of what gets made.
Even then Jedi Fallen Order was a solid Souls-like with a genuinely great main villain and the best showing from Vader since Return of the Jedi, and even if the anime style of Star Wars Visions didn't connect with you it's impossible to deny that it was a breath of fresh air compared to every other Star Wars show at the time (and now).
All Disney needs to do is give the reigns to people with a love of the franchise as well as the desire to move it forward and do interesting things with it, but it's easier to push out the most lukewarm pandering media possible instead of making one inventive new idea that some people might hate.
I don't have much of a stake in the 'Is the Last Jedi good or bad' debate (like I genuinely don't care to any degree whatsoever) but I can at least respect it for trying literally anything new, at the very least it made some neurons in my brain flicker which is more than I can say for Kenobi lol.
Hyperspace Wars, Old Republic, Even the dawn of the Jedi with more rudimentary lightsabers attached to backpacks. The Sith race could have been the origin of the later incarnation of the Sith, dark jedi/sith/grey jedi. It was all there. Oh well. Instead we get the incredibly poorly done prequels, sequels, now this.
My favourite joke I've seen about this series is "leave it to Disney to make Obi wan about a 45 year old man who has to think of a ten year old girl to get his rocks off." 🤣
Oh god, that’s horribly hilarious
Beautiful
The last ~6 minutes of this made me feel like I was drowning in a pit of fan fiction and Corporate Product. Tell my kids I love them.
24:11 you still need the force if you want to deflect stuff -- unless you are REALLY lucky there's no way to predict the blaster bolt path and you're liable to just take the shot in the chest. the precognition the force provides is what makes deflecting blaster bolts possible.
Or you could just use power armor and tank the shots. But Lucas didn't think of that, even though Starship Troopers had been written.
49:40 Mike's Palpatine impression is pretty uncanny, damn
Right?! If you go back to the Plinkett reviews, he dubs over a couple of the Emperor’s lines from Episode 1 and it’s almost indistinguishable from the og
@@ianosea they have an entire Plinkett and Palpy series.
i know they just joke on RLM but at this point in time mike's palpatine truly is better than the official movies/shows
Haha You must be new here!
"you gottta help with this shit" i started dying
34:55 Palpatine tells Vader during episode V that the person who blew up the death star is the child of "Anakin Skywalker". That's when Vader learns who the person is. Having previously sensed that the force was strong with Luke during the death star sequence, Vader now knows that he has a son and that he is training to be a jedi. The audience isnt aware of that until Vader reveals he is Luke's Father at the end of V, and after force ghost Obi-Wan explains it from the log during VI.
I'm honestly surprised none of you three remembered it! It's arguably the best writing and editing decision in the whole series, since it works if you know who Vader is or not.
Edit: apparently that's a special edition change so rich is correct and the canon doesn't matter
I'm not surprised. They'll probably call you a man-baby for pointing this out though.
Thank you! I was hoping one of them would remember but it never happened. It actually ties into why Anakin's children were never supposed to be 'special' just because they were his children. It was because they got involved directly with the Empire's schemes due to the Death Star plans and the Droids. I always accepted that Vader thought Padme died with a miscarriage and spent the rest of his days following Palpatine without a care of Tatooine since he only cares about remaining Jedi. I'm baffled that there was a need to go beyond that.
A New Hope paints it clear that Obi Wan is the last of his time (save for Yoda) who only gives Luke any sense of guidance because two imperial droids are in his possession. Luke isn't some destined hero, he has destiny thrust upon him by coming across C-3PO and R2-D2 who were sent by Princess Leia. The droids are what kickstart the plot into something bigger, Obi Wan lies low until the princess herself calls to him. This is because Obi -Wan realizes Senator Organa is in trouble and he needs a young buck to help him get to Alderaan.
Filling in events between movies I always found distasteful because there's this obsession with filling shit in without realizing the importance of downtime. Sometimes characters go their separate ways and do things that aren't really important or eventful until the opportune moment arrives and this seems to just be unacceptable with storytelling nowadays. This is the crux of why I have Star Wars fatigue because nothing is left to the imagination anymore, everything has to be explained and shown ad nauseam. It doesn't help that the more things are explained, the more questions and problems arise.
Sorry about the rant but I did want to give credit to the clever twist in Empire that we seem to take for granted nowadays.
Vader knew before that. It was Boba Fett who told him. Bader actually refers to Luke as “Skywalker” at the beginning of the film.
“Ack-schully…” Vader knew before Palpatine told him. According to the novel (which was based on the screenplay) Vader’s spies learned about Luke after he destroyed the Death Star.
aKctuALLy….. as a side note, that line from Palpatine was altered for the special edition. He doesn’t say the “son of Skywalker” in the original movie. But he does say, “Luke Skywalker.”
At first I thought Rich, Mike and Jay would look at the camera while an image of Chewie getting smooshed by a moon appeared. But now it looks like they're Boomerer than I am and somehow voluntarily know less about the Yuuzhan Vong. Well played.
I think only Rich has any notions about Star Wars Legends. He's big into comics I think, but I doubt he really read any Star Wars stuff. Jay and Mike probably couldn't care less
"Basil Oregano." I'm dying. XD
Mike's whole rant about how lightsaber's worked was actually what George Lucas told them originally hence why they use Kendo style (two hands) for the most part. Vader using one hand with his lightsaber was to show how powerful he was in the original trilogy. This obviously got thrown out with the prequels and basically it was power crept that Jedi's at the height of the Republic could basically just do anything. They did kind of bring this idea back in Book of Boba Fett when Mando lumbers around with the Darksaber because it's supposed to be super heavy
That explains why lightsabers should be harder for normal people to use them, but it doesn't explain why they don't just use the force for everything given how much more powerful the force is compared to a lightsaber. I think they were right that having the force do "limited" things with a lot of concentration would set better rules on how the force can work in occasional situations when needed to enhance the story being told.
@@lanceareadbhar ForceUnleashed is super cool but even the creators admitted it’d break Star Wars. I guess they gave up on restraint
I mean for me it makes sense that Lighsabers are lifted so casually by the Jedi since they are suppossed to be the strongest in the Galaxy, they trained their whole life and are force sensitive so of course they can do all the crazy sh@#, if anything it makes the difference between Luke a rookie and Anakin an uncrowned master more clearer
@@lanceareadbhar because jedi dont use the force the force uses them, actaully using the force is the dark side since that's going against the force/fate/the will of the galaxy.
They touched on it in Rebels with Sabine and the Dark Saber. It was portrayed close to what Mike was saying.
The best part of the animated Clone Wars series was that they did what the prequels failed to do, they made me like Anakin. That show had him be everything they failed to put in Clones and RotSith. He is heroic, friendly, kind in a lot of cases, and complex. You get shades of the darkness to come, but it's not a case of a petulant brat as it is in the films. It builds him out in a way that was so good and having that character fall to darkness makes it actually feel tragic.
The whole tone and aesthetic of the prequels/clone wars era is just so damn hideous and dull. It’s never felt like Star Wars.
Well said Paul. The prequels were a mess for many reasons, but I think your point is spot on that Anakin seemed like just an awful person from the beginning
@@paulmartin6419 Weirdly enough, I feel the exact opposite. The prequel era always felt to me like the most vibrant and interesting part of Star wars. Not the movies, but the extended media around the movies had some real gems; the 2003 cartoon, a few book series and comics. Those were the only times Star wars felt like a real, living universe to me.
@@atreides213 You are definitely right. The original trilogy universe really doesn't feel like a functional place. It just feels like basic set-dressing for a rebels vs fascists story. And it feels like there is absolutely nothing happening in an entire galaxy that doesn't revolve around our main characters.
The prequels feel like a galaxy that could actually exist and function and has things going on. The problem with the prequels wasn't the setting but the execution.
@@hippocratesnoah8642 completely agree, but I might be biased having grown up with the prequels
I believe a lot of Star Wars Fans forgot that the Prequels did a shit job at establishing the friendship between Obi Wan and Anakin because they watched the Clone Wars, which I'm told handled their friendship quite well. That's also why people feel nostalgic for Hayden Christensen and his portrayal of Anakin, because they watched the Clone Wars. But it wasn't Hayden Christensen's Anakin in the Clone Wars, nor was the Clone Wars George Lucas' Star Wars, it was Dave Filoni's animated show with a different Anakin actor.
Yeah, Anakin is practically a different character in Clone Wars. I’m quite fond of that show, but I’m not one of those people who thinks it makes the Prequel movies better - if anything, I feel like it makes them worse because the Clone Wars were more what the Prequels should’ve been.
100% correct. I grew up watching Clone Wars. I was not born yet when Phantom Menace came out and was around 8 when Clone Wars first started airing. Most of my memories of Anakin are him as the heroic yet impulsive Jedi portrayed in CW not the whiner in Episode II. Even something as small as the voice used for Anakin in CW makes him seem more heroic and emotive.
@@oneinathousand2156 If it makes something better, it‘s the context of the whole continuity. But in the first place, each movie and tv-show always stands on his own. I agree with you on that.
Best Regards
Lucas oversaw all of the Clone Wars though. He micromanaged it almost as much as the movies, right down to changing the name of the Sith planet from Korriban. He always wanted Star Wars to be a multimedia project, the game-book-comic Shadows of the Empire almost got made into a movie in the 90s
@@saucyduckglobalomnihyperme7510 He was even the co creator of Ahsoka if I remember correctly
The “force” being able to do basically anything really does water down the entire Star Wars world.
Rich is correct
Star Wars has basically been reduced to Deus Ex Forcina.
No, its not the deus ex "force" that is the problem. Altough it is part of the problem. It is the inconsistency. Any issue that pops up or cool moment they need, is explained with the force. Like one of the most important things in a movie, show or books is CONSISTENCY. If a magic wand can throw spells with a magic word but NOT change shape or throw spells through thought. It is BAD WRITING to then later, change that. Like Obi suddenly being much stronger in the force than previously shown. Even Darth Vader using the force actively, something anakin was not prone to do. ESPECIALLY in fights. Stuff beyond their power level. Or when characters like Rey just suddenly do "new" things with the force just because. POOR WRITING.
It does not have to be expressly stated. But if your protagonist Paul finds a stick and realizes it can do magic when he speaks some words from a book. You can`t later haver other people use their minds to cast or have the wand change shape. Because THEN you need to explain that. Not brush it off! Because the world suffers for it, it`s limits get washed out and us the audience struggle to suspend our disbelief if you start messing with the rules. It is simply stronger if Paul would discover that other shit by accident. Because you are world building. Setting the stage. Alluding to the limitations of the world, so we the audience can gauge what is happening.
Like currency. It means fuck all if 10 dollars is 2 million vietnamese.. Whatevers. That tells me nothing. But if i know what a beer costs in vietnamese whatevers, that gives me perspective! That perspective is important to follow the story. And should not be undermined.
If a fantasy world is attacked by monsters they gotta come from somewhere. If they later in the movie pop up somewhere unexpected and be like "oh yeah, btw we have this set of tunnels" that just throws any worldbuilding out the window.
Remember Midichlorians? Maybe they populate like bacteria in the jedi gut or something. So they should make midichlorian kombucha... brew the stuff somewhere and you could boost your "force", dunno just adding some flavor to the concept.. lol.
@@JOSEPH-vs2gc WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!?
What if the Disney ppl read this shit. You KNOW how creatively inept they are.
They will jump on this idea and have a whole new sixology. Star Wars: Kombucha Legends.
@@olesams Bro the Trailer for the Kombucha legends will be lit, i cant wait
I know that RLM are intelligent enough critics to understand that for the sake of good storytelling, the Force can't be powerful enough to solve problems on its own. It lessens the stakes and blunts character growth when all their problems can be solved with a thought. That's why in the original trilogy, the Force was only a passive magic system. It helped in moments of great need, but was not an easy mode button. That aspect has eroded over the years as Lucasfilm has endeavored to appease fans by expanding the range of abilities Force users possess. It also doesn't help that the way in which Disney has depicted these new abilities has looked cheap and not been earned by the characters who use them.
Force speed
It's worse than that. Disney lets the bad guys have virtually unlimited force power and ability. The only force ability bad guys don't have is the ability to beat the good guys. The only force ability the good guys have is apparently lifting rocks, and powerful ex machina moments that let you beat the bad guy because you're good and they're bad.
Like, so a Palpatine-made clone can fuck with Kylo's dreams from across the galaxy and make him a bad guy (but that same dude doesn't also realize hey, Luke has pretty bad PTSD and anxiety over everything that happened, maybe we could also fuck with this dreams too and make him go crazy and possibly do some bad things as well). The best Luke's got is a younger looking projection of himself that lasts a couple of minutes.
@Michael Dunaieff
Intelligent enough critics? Really?
You mean, the same critics who ruined Jake Lloyd's life growing up? The critics who complains about Senate meetings that don't take too long in each prequel? The critics who almost made Ahmed Best commit suicide? The critics responsible for bringing Darth Maul in the Clone Wars in the most stupidest way possible?
*That's bullshit!*
@@JinxTheLooneyToon915 I'm pretty sure RLM didn't do any of those things.
its stupid and inconsistent even in the original films. Ruined the trajectory of science fiction forever.
22:57 ive always thought that Lightsabers would have been cool if each saber was only useable by its creator.
There is no external switch because the kyber crystal inside needs to be moved into focus using the force.
This way, a saber could only be used by a jedi, and then it makes sense that it would be a really interesting artifact, but otherwise useless.
@YumYum What if the button broke? Would be cool in a movie everyone saying that piece of junk no work and when their friend life is in the line, they realign it and cover for their friend to escape.
Too bad we got hacks that literally cant do anything right on purpose.
I always wondered why sabers turned off without fail whenever its wielder was disarmed or knocked over. The action to ignite and use one being more than just a button would make sense.
Wow I can’t believe I read through all the comments to stumble on this. Great visuals. Great job!
The crystals are aligned with tools and there is an external switch as well as a deadman switch. Lightsabers are also powered by power packs not khyber crystals. The crystals focus/amplified the energy not power the actual weapon itself.
@@DarthVader-1701 power packs? I remember in Clone wars they all got their own crystal but I don’t remember anything about the power packs.
So, like, I’m a pretty normal 43 year-old dude who was pretty nerdy as a kid and grew up loving Star Wars and everything, but somehow it wasn’t until Mike accidentally called George "Luke" in this video that it finally hit me:
Lucas.
Luke S.
🤯
Kanye said it first
😉
It's like poetry.
@callmecatalyst mr west
How the scene with the star destroyer chasing the rebel transport should have ended:
Inquisitor: "Kenobi is on that shuttle, but we must keep pursuing transport and destroy that rebel cell now while we have the chance."
Vader: "No problem, I'll just take one of the 48 TIE fighters we have on board. You continue pursuit of the transport and order the other 47 TIEs to attack it in close combat. They'll have a better chance of hitting it."
This! Literally this! I was so frustrated
It’s just a cope, but maybe he can’t fit in one. He is like 6.7 feet tall after all. He had that special Advanced model in the OT.
@@AesirUnlimited
Thinking about Vader stuck in the hatch of a standard TIE like a chubby cat in a shoebox. They've got a crane and a team of stormtroopers trying to get him out.
"Did Kylo Ren killes Baby Yoda"
"We can only hope"
I laughed myself to death
The actual answer is no.
Kylo only intentionally killed a one of Luke's students, and Grogu wasn't there at all.
Sadly this was in a comic mini-series rather than in the movie.
That said The Rise of Kylo Ren is really worth reading. Really short and provides much needed context.
@@RayOfTruth My headcanon says Kylo did murk baby Yoda, which one do I believe?
@@and8091 Read the canon comic mini-series Rise of Kylo Ren.
It's just four issues, and each are only like 15-25 pages.
@@RayOfTruth I don't really like comic books. Can I read Lord of the Rings instead?
Fuck I love the thumbnails lately. Laser eyes, lightsabers through heads, bleeding from eyeballs….. heartwarming.
The incompetence of everyone below emperor/Vader level has become really grating. First stormtroopers on endor, then the prequel droids, now... everything. If a star destroyer can't take out a damaged transport in half an hour...why even have star destroyers? They don't have the staff and ships to pursue a transport AND a single escape pod? Vader took a shuttle down to the planet anyway, why would the star destroyer even need to change course?
The original Death Star got taken out by a single X-Wing. The Empire has always been terminally incompetent.
@@memeomeme8351 ohhh snap ….shoot …and boom!
Granted it’s probably more detail than anyone who watches the show would care to pay attention to, but id really enjoy it if through some show/movie they’d be able to show the Empire more as an endless bureaucratic and/or nepotistic mess. Would at least make sense
@@memeomeme8351 but that was retconned into being an intentionally designed fatal flaw by an imperial traitor.
Wait, maybe Vader is a secret imperial traitor too?
@@memeomeme8351 That's a stupid point. It was made very clear, the shot was bascially impossible and Luke could only do it because of the Force. And obviously this ventilation shaft was not seen as a relevant weakness, as it was basically impossible to hit. And this even ignores the retconning in Rogue One.
@provero5 Vader is heavily fucked as well: He forgets he can put out a fire with the Force 5 seconds after doing so. He forgets he can lift basically anyhting via the force 30 seconds after doing so. He forgets his armor is basicall fireproof when there is a fire in his way. He forgets that you can walk around a fire, when he wants Obi-Wan (which he explicitly sates! "Bring him to me!" is not ambivalent). Then later he forgets that a Star Destroyer has TIE-Fighters and that they are *really* good at destroying unarmed transport ships and even better at destroying or pursuing escape pods.
Disney is simply incapable of writing good antagonists. They only know archetypes and they think "doing random shit and alluding to having a troubled past while torturing children" is enough to have a good redemption arc. There is no ambivalence in Reva. She is angry enough to just straight up murder people, she calmly wants to torture Leia and she nearly kills a completely innocent child. How is that redeemable?
I do love the description of how lightsabers should work, is exactly/very similar how they were described to work in the EU. Gyroscopic effect and the likes, thus the force was mandatory to wield one effectively.
"It makes Vader look like an idiot"
Rich, they make _everyone_ look like an idiot. How does this show manage to ruin _Aunt Beru_ ??
Jar Jar doesn’t look like an idiot
@@reek4062 You are referring to the "Jar Jar is a Sith" conspiracy theory, not Star Wars cannon
I guess Aunt Beru was less successful when she tried the whole "we won't back down" shit again in Episode IV for a second time.
@@LN997-i8x "Hey Owen, remember that time we tried to fight a Sith and got the shit kicked out of us but inexplicably weren't killed?
Well this time they're only stormtroopers, so what's the _worst_ that could happen??"
Vader is a mess when feelings are involved and well no one can tap into that.
Obi-wan and Luke can trigger that.
It's true I never really got the sense of a friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan in the prequels either. In fact I got a sense of Anakin as being a sociopath who didn't like anyone except for Padme who he was unhealthily obsessed with.
Agreed. You have to watch the clone wars to care about the relationship between the two.
No there was a friendship in episode 2 they were mentor student and friends and in the first half they were really good friends and anakin never hated obi wan but was angry with him, it's lucas direction that gave that impression they werent.
Jay’s surname breakthrough is an all time RLM moment
I lost it. He just casually points out the most obvious plot hole that somehow no one ever talks about
And they were oblivious while making the Plinketts lol
33:00
The problem with the show and the franchise over the past 25 years is that everything is a prequel and there is no drama. Leia gets captured, Luke is pursued by Reva, Kenobi and Vader fight twice. Pssst…..we all know what happens! Even when it starts telling stories post-Return of the Jedi, it can’t help but go backwards. Palpatine comes back in Episode 9, Luke saves the day in the Mandallorian, etc.
The franchise is just stuck in this timeframe because of nostalgia but it sapps any new/interesting storytelling.
Well it's not impossible hell Clone Wars is considered some of the best Star Wars content
Ever heard of Knights of the Old Republic? Or the Thrawn Trilogy? Or the New Jedi Order books?
This is quite possibly the dumbest out of touch take ive seen
no one knew what happened during the clone wars, hence TCW. No one knew what happened between 4-5 or 6-7, hence the shows.
The Yuuzhan Vong would bring some drama i tell you what
I like how Reva began to question if she was evil after nearly murdering an innocent child in a play to get revenge against someone else the child never met. Nevermind the innocent lady's hand she chopped off or the Jedi, who also was a youngling survivor of Order 66, she killed in cold blood. Wah wah.
I think you meant to say, "stunning and brave."
Reva: Anakin is evil for killing Jedi and FUCK Obi Wan for training him!
Also Reva: I'm going to get revenge on Anakin by killing a bunch of Jedi for him!
wait
wot
*sigh* If the acting and writing were top-notch, this may even work. But they're not. They're not even close.
@@duncanlutz3698 Reva was 100% on board to torture a child and the show still tries to play her off like she's just redeemed now.
_I_ like how I'm supposed to look at Reva as some sort of redeemed good guy now - because she _chose not to do something evil_
_for once_
She refrained from killing a boy she had no reason to kill anyway. So brave.
RE: How does Vader learn Luke's identity: There is a scene in Empire where Palpatine hologram calls Vader and tells him "This boy is the son of Anakin Skywalker" and we see Vader react to that with surprise. This is, of course, before the audience knows that Vader IS Anakin, and has only heard from Obi-Wan that Vader killed him. Keep in mind that the reason they felt safe hiding Luke on Tatooine is because Vader did not even know he had kids: he thought he killed Padme before they were born, and the fact that her children survived was kept secret, so Vader never had any reason to go looking on Tatooine for anyone.
Star Wars canon actually is fairly consistent, but it's very poorly explained, especially in the movies, so to realize that it's consistent you have to read all the extra books and everything that explains it all.
Yeah but how common a surname is Skywalker? From Vader's perspective he knows that the Force was strong with this particular rebel because he sensed it during the Death Star battle.
Then he learns that his name is Luke Skywalker and presumably it wouldn't be hard for Imperial intelligence to find out that he's from Tattooine. At that point how would it not be obvious to Vader that Luke is his son?
Your explanation is actually better than the actual canon story published by Lucasfilm around 2015: Vader finds about the identity of Luke Skywalker via Boba Fett in a freaking comic. That is not a lie.
I want to say that dialogue was added or reworked with the special edition but tbh I don't remember
@@Mantis42 it was. The scene was in the original, but they added more lines to make it make more sense because Lucas clearly didn’t know exactly what he wanted to do with the prequels at the time
Carlos Lopez most Disney canon is bad lol
Just waiting for the Mace Windu show
Where it’s revealed he somehow survived and has an adventure with admiral Ackbar or some shit
What RLM show clearly shows is that these 3 guys put more thought into the the Star Wars story than anyone at Disney or Lucas can be bothered while being paid to do just that.
I felt nothing after watching this show. It didn’t justify its own existence and it really had the potential to be something special. The unmasking of Vader was the only scene that was emotional and genuinely great. Ewan carried the show but at the end of the day he couldn’t save it.
Too bad the "unmasking" was already done in clone wars series, much better :D
@@Half_Finis the only thing Rebels did right.
It was really about family. 👪
"it really had the potential to do something special"
on the absolut contrary
@@aytony4090 actual emotions between anakin and ahsoka
"Star Wars is creatively bankrupt." Simple, precise, accurate. Rich Evans.
Therefore they can’t remove the fan service and nostalgic references.
@@reek4062 except for last jedi when they actually tried to go in a different direction and everyone lost their shit 😂🤣
No, the writers behind it are
@@alucard2010 Except they didn't actually go in a different direction at all. It was nothing more than bait, a tease.
@@Tetragrammaton22 actually they did. They killed off the emperor and eliminated the blood lines plus many other things.. So now the next movie can expand on those ideas . But nope, fans cried and we got nostalgia and bringing back dead people 🙄
Luke wasn’t trying to kill Kylo Ren. Kylo, clearly had a space fly on his head and Luke was trying to swat it with his lightsaber.
The thing about lightsabers is that I don't think they were ever really depicted as a *replacement* for blasters and ranged weaponry in the original trilogy. I haven't seen the films in a while, but I can only remember one scene where they were used against someone who didn't also have a lightsaber, and that was when Luke was attacking people at the Sarlacc Pit. And during that fight, he used his lightsaber to deflect a blaster bolt, but otherwise I don't think there were very many scenes of people deflecting blaster bolts with their lightsabers in the original trilogy. (Forgive me if I'm missing some instances.)
My point is that I think lightsabers ARE NOT on par with blasters and other ranged weaponry even in the hands of a skilled user. A Jedi who has superhuman reflexes can deflect a handful of blaster shots, but an army of people with blasters would still have a very good chance of killing them (as we saw happen in the Order 66 stuff in Revenge of the Sith). So the whole point of the lightsabers originally is they were a ceremonial form of dueling between Jedi Knights, not a tool for modern warfare. I mean, just think of the real life situation of Japan when guns were introduced and used to pretty much exterminate the samurai who opposed the government, or how Oda Nobunaga defeated many rival warlords by incorporating firearms into his army, and you'll see the comparison.
Basically, in the original trilogy, lightsabers were like a weapon of a bygone era of combat between "nobles" that were still around as a sort of remnant of that era. They weren't a replacement for blasters. Hell, Luke even used a blaster throughout A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. But I think basically what happened is that people made a ton of video games, extended universe stuff, and then the prequel movies that completely missed this point and forever fucked up lightsabers.
My two cents.
Back before the prequels I always assumed master Force users were so OP they didn't actually need Lightsabers or Blasters anyway. Yoda didn't have one and neither did the Emperor.
Vader didn't even need one to block blaster fire as evidenced in Empire Strikes Back. It being a ceremonial thing makes sense.
Lets get it right. Vader and Kenobi were just try-hard weeaboo posers. C'mon man, the dude went around telling people his name was "Obi-Wan" when his real name is "Ben". Not to mention Vader's peculiar obsession with 10th century Japanese defensive headgear.
Luke was young and impressionable, but alas he too was swept up and indoctrinated into the casual insanity that is melee vs ranged assault weapons.
That is pretty much agreed since only Jedi and Sith use them and by A New Hope the Jedi are long gone. Due mostly to Order 66. So the rest of the galaxy would little to no knowledge of them.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 "Hokey religions and ANCIENT weapons" he said. Meaning that it was ancient long long before the event's of order 66. That was simply the end. And I think less then half of the galaxy would have experience with them however many they were. So without Jedi or Sith involvement, how would ANYONE know?
The feeing I had on watching the OT back before any prequels was that there weren’t all that many Jedi left by the time Obi-Wan decided to train Anakin. They were already dieing out, hence the Emperor and Darth Vader’s ability to consolidate power using this “ancient religion”
In actual medieval history, having designated ceremonial dueling weapons was a big deal. Huge amounts of literature was written on the topic, and many specialty weapons existed that likely never saw an actual battlefield.
I normally don’t care about this kind of thing but it’s really driving me crazy how much stuff in the Obi Wan show retroactively cheapens a lot of the narrative and character details from the original trilogy.
You are not alone in that.
It cheapens it by virtue of being ... cheap! :)
The quality just isn't there, across all factors. Kenobi is basically the animated series brought to life, and that just isn't big enough, cinematic enough, weighty enough, to do anything but water down the characters in their original form.
Don't get me wrong ... it's perfectly serviceable. But it's part of an overall process for Star Wars that takes something rarefied and turns it into something contrived. The humanity is lost from it as a result.
Meh it didn't cheapen it to me. Kenobi is only in the entire OT for less than under 20 mins alive and about 4 mins as a force ghost. Not much there to mess with. More like a continuation of the PT imo.
@@ateam404 It reminds me of Gandalf and his side quests in the Bilbo movies. If OT Obi-wan is the mysterious old hermit who is secretly the guardian of ancient knowledge, and then you explain his backstory as a struggling former soldier in detail... I dunno. It feels to me like you're taking away more than you add.
On the other hand with Darth Maul cameos and everything else, it's clear that Disney is leaning towards some of the animated stuff. And I have no interest in any of that.
It’s all of Mike’s complaints about Parallels in TNG, only accurate and valid.
Another "spitting out coffee" moment is the scene we didn't see where the Storm Troopers dispatched to Tattooine during A New Hope are like "Yeah we tracked the droids to this farm but they wouldn't tell us anything so we executed them, something Lars I think? Yeah, their name was Lars." Vader's like "wait, what was that name???"
Vader definitely gave the order for the troopers to kill Lars and Beru
@@kenji-san4681 Yes, he was still mad about the Little Orphany Anny joke they made.
I think it's implied in ESB that Boba Fett killed them. Vader seemed pretty chill about it, too
@@danletko they fought back like they did against reva and boba used the flame thrower on their ass
@@kenji-san4681 After that ridiculous scene in Kenobi, my headcanon is that Aunt Beru tried the same insane "we won't back down" shit she pulled with Reva on the stormtroopers that came around to question them and got lit up.
That is exactly how they portray Mando using the dark saber. George has actually said before that the original concept of the lightsaber was precisely what you're talking about; Lucas described it as a firehose of pure energy.
Plus Finn was confirmed to be force sensitive by Abrams which explains how he used the lightsaber.
okay, then in prequels he makes them push items so easily and flip around with that light energy, Lucas is joke, why i hate Prequels so much it slap to face compared to 4-6
@@kyotheman69 Lucas has more creative talent in his pinky than you will ever have in your entire life.
@@alexanderthegreat7329 found George Lucas' UA-cam account
@@alexanderthegreat7329 He does, but he's cursed to have incredibly inventive ideas that are all really stupid.
It's fucked up how Mike and Jay actually nailed exactly how Vader finds out how Luke is his son. In a canon Vader comic, that takes place between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, Vader finds out Luke is his son through Boba Fett, who was hired to capture the pilot who destroyed the Death Star. When Boba reports back to Vader, he says he didn't capture the pilot, but that he knew the pilot's name was Skywalker, and that's how Vader realizes Luke was his son. I dunno is this is genius, depressing, or both, but probably both,.
That's so incredibly and terribly sad IMHO. It's not genius, it's just terrible, terrible writing on behalf of everyone involved in anything post OT. The thing is, watching the OT as a kid, I, and so many other fans, came to the conclusion that Vader, having the force, in their first meeting and their collision, their fight simply FELT Luke was his son. We naturally understood this deep, natural, also outworldly father and son connection (that doesn't really exist but we all wish it did) is also what made him (Vader) let Luke live even if this budding young jedi was obviously a threat best dealt with expeditively. It was about family, and that's what was so strong about it.
Having some bounty hunter or other say some dumb ass last name or something is so INFINITELY less interesting and satisfying than that.
Wasn't there a scene in Empire where Emperor tells DV that the offspring of Anakin Skywalker survived?
I just always kinda figured that's how DV found out. 😂😅
That comic doesn't need to exist, lol
@@megazard5249 Even though the line about Luke being the son of Anakin wasn’t in the original, the special edition still has Vader refer to Luke as Skywalker when hunting him down saying “Skywalker is with them (Han and the others)” before the scene with the Emperor. So now it appears that Vader is simply lying that he didn’t know to hide his ulterior motive of having Luke join him to overthrow the Emperor, and it’s also implied that the Emperor knows about Vader’s plan and is most likely orchestrating the whole conversation to have Vader agree to bring Luke to him so he can be his new apprentice. So basically just a bunch of Sith mind games.
Also in the comics, it’s revealed that Vader and Luke met between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. Luke tells him he is going to avenge his father by killing Vader to which Vader just steals his lightsaber. He is about to kill Luke when he notices the lightsaber Luke was using belongs to Anakin. So Vader probably had his suspicions on who Luke was and when Boba Fett tells him that Luke’s last name is also Skywalker, those suspicions are confirmed and that Luke really is his son.
@@codinghusky5196 Why should he just sense that he's his son for no reason? He never met him before. A reasonable explanation would be that everyone would know who destroyed the death star. Word comes around, Vader notices that the same guy who shared his last name blew up the death star and was strong in the force. Does some digging and hires spies and whatnot and confirms it. No reason for this shallow wanna-be deep nonsense.
@@nearlydead7510 Yeah, I definitely agree that it's most likely Darth Vader would eventually find out who blew up the Death Star sooner or later, since it made Luke kinda famous. Also, does everyone in Star Wars have a unique last name, or what? Hearing that a guy named "Skywalker" blew up the Death Star wouldn't be enough to make Vader go "oh shit that's definitely my son," would it? It could easily be his cousin or a total coincidence, so he'd probably need to search his feelings with the force or whatever anyway
Problem with the force is every new director keeps trying to over do itself. Like Emperor had lightening powers, he had it as he was Level 10 and other didnt know how to do it yet as they were level 5, even Vader couldnt use lightening. Now, anyone can do whatever they want with zero effort.
Power creep happens in fiction. Dragonball made Super Saiyan out to be this once in millennia rare achievement. Then it became a hard to achieve only by the elite through extreme stress and training. Then it became a child's play thing. Then it became "just feel a tingle on your back" no issue for any Saiyan making Super Saiyan 2, 3, God, etc. all necessary as new floors of power were established.
@@seanpace6501 I have nothing to add other than I love the term “power creep”
That’s my new 80s thrash metal band name.
@@seanpace6501 It's because as far as the show tells us, all Saiyans (from planet vegeta anyways) used hate and anger to activate their powers. Goku activates his powers through wanting to protect and better himself. Vegeta tries to go his own way but has extreme difficulty. When he changes his heart though, he is able to achieve it much more easily, and they train their children in the proper method (while beating the hell out of them) so they can as well.
@@seanpace6501 DBZ is the worst model to apply to fiction in general. Good writers know how to work within set limitations by forcing characters to face challenges in creative ways.
@@cloudsteele1989 I think being more creative and having different abilities would have been nice. Once everyone has it they had to do it...again sort of with Gohan fighting Cell. Too often became "just get stronger and unlock new forms" rather than outsmarting opponents. Why I liked the start of the show when Piccolo and Goku were desperate against Radditz and couldn't solve it by powering up. Don't get me wrong, I love the show and animation, but there are elements that take tension out for me (along with death being a minor inconvenience).
You really get the impression that George Lucas prefers robots to people.
He writes them so much better.
You can see it clearly in THX1138, with those lovable robot traffic cops.
This show fixes the tiniest of continuity problems, by punching huge continuity holes within the established canon. This show falls apart when the member-berries wear off and you think about what you watched.
Oh yeah it's a missed opportunity for sure. I hope Rich enjoys that Rolls Royce! lol
I’m surprised RLM like this show…lightsabers thru the gut don’t kill anyone, it conflicts with established lore, and nothing of substance happens
At the same time it's doing this, the story itself basically spins it's wheels for six episodes and, by the end of it, everything we knew _before_ the show started is _still_ in place by the _end_ of it. Nothing in this show creates a situation that leads towards what we see in Episode IV
..and I swear to god if someone is like "this show inspires Leia to become an Imperial Senator!" (after having now been associated with the Empire's #1 most wanted fugitive) I'm going to lose my mind
In 15 years when they remake A New Hope with the girl who played Leia in this she can have a scene where she talks to Luke about how much she too loved Obi-Wan and they can share a sad moment an do the kiss but this time it'll be a loving sisterly kiss instead of a swashbuckling hero kiss and you can feel good about the Cannon.
@@jhmoxl
Please don’t give Disney any ideas
I guess ive always viewed lightsabers as sort of a tiebreaker. Like vader can absolutely use the force to clown on a rookie hes not worried about, but then when youre in a confrontation with someone whos just as in tune with it as you are you kind of need something to settle the score instead of just pushing your force juice at each other so the jedi sort of crafted an entirely new form of combat around it. When i imagine the forces effectiveness in fights i imagine theres a certain level of caution in using it against another force user because it still takes a second to focus and you never know if your combatant is better at it than you. Plus i can totally see if youre a space cop needing to plow through an army of droids every day maybe youd rather just use a lethal laser stick instead of having to constantly tune yourself in with the universe
@@PodreyJenkin138 king
@@PodreyJenkin138 I don't think it was a particular novel that made that statement. From what I know the EU (Legends) established over its long run that one of the basics of force training is for the user to apply a force barrier of sorts on their person so that they can protect themselves against some techniques such as push/pull. Just another reason why EU/Legends was better since they actually did expand a lot on many things.
Disney should bring back Dekkster Jettser and his ‘50s diner just to make Mike cry.