A Critique of Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Part 2
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- Опубліковано 25 січ 2018
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We are back and i'm bringing you folks a far more in depth look of Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
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MauLer Well deserved.
Congrats! That list of Rey's absent character flaws was brutal...Well played sir.
JJ Abrams faces such a massive gauntlet ahead, I'm curious if he wants to retcon RJ's disaster as "canon" fodder.
Congrats, dude! Totally earned, and I'm looking forward to the third video, whenever it can be released. Take as much time as you need!
Well it was the best rant in the internet of all timess....
I'm just glad the 2nd part is out!
"If Rey was grand daughter to a palpatine"
Oh boy
MauLer, you prophet you.
Or jar jar binks!
@@kreese-yi2nb These theories have been going in since 2015. I wasn't even surprised at all while watching TROS
Well, doesn't that just sound prophetic right about now?
i think Disney watched this review
"Maybe Holdo and Snoke dated in the past?" Ugh, could you imagine them trying to go out for dinner? Holdo would have an exact place in mind, but refuse to tell Snoke a single thing about it until they got there. And when they did, Snoke would make his First Order something expensive yet without substance.
This comment is art.
prkr07 I think I love you
I normally hate fan fiction by default, but this is something I would actually read.
One of the best comments I've come across so far.
And then Snoke would die before explaining anything about himself.
Kylo: Brutally murders his own father
Rey: Them abs tho
I have to admit it got me for a minute though
@@CharlieQuartz Eh, nothing wrong with objectifying a murderer every once in a while. The internet does it all the time.
This is basically how women think though. Well, at least the women on tinder.
to be fair, they are really great.
Kylo is ripped as the giga chad guy
That shot of Mark Hamill nearly hyperventilating behind Rian Johnson is just so painful to watch.
I know . . . he looks truly disgusted and defeated. 😭
Just like how Vader felt while standing next to the Emperor in Episode 6.
The look on his face is so sad, but also telling. And justified. They destroyed his identity, he's never been anyone but Luke Skywalker.
It is actually heartbreaking. They took his life achievement and ran it through the mud.
@@proxlite8728 and they did it with intention. These twerpy little twits got to humiliate and abuse the greatest hero in movie history...and they hadn't even earned the right to make him a sandwich
Ray is perfect.
"Who connects to that?"
Narcissists.
Dread Pirate Roberts
A large portion of millennials?
souldry ya know I really want to say that's wrong but after thinking about it yeah your right.
Hawk Bray
Not their fault. Their parents are to blame.
Borderline narcissists, to be exact.
Yes.
"I would like one Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich please."
"Absolutely, here you go. I put olives on it, and replaced the jelly with sawdust."
"Woah. Subversive masterpiece!"
"Just kidding, the sandwich is really...your hand."
"And now you're a tardigrade, floating through space."
"Your welcome."
S u B V e R t e D
edit: homophones.
Nebadon Adams
Kira Yoshikage approves.
Kars does not.
JustAnotherGaian
“Oh I also made you a new fur Scarf!”
“Woah really thanks!” *Wears the Scarf*
“Oh I made it out of your cats skin”
“Woah shit that’s so Subversive”
Unknown
Kars stopped thinking, much like many of those who enjoyed this movie
@@officerspider7996 lol
1:22:47 “Rey was speculated to be the child of Luke Skywalker, or Obi-Wan Kenobi, or even the granddaughter of Emperor Palpatine”
This aged well
sadly
"Maybe the subversion in episode 9 will be that she will get killed ..."
This also aged well.
Forshadowing is a literary device
1) Rey suddenly changed her last name to Skywalker.
2) Rey's actress revealed that Rey was actually suppose to be related to Kenobi before they changed it in TLJ
3) Well... Ya know.
Funny how all of these things are kinda true at the same time
And what's even more hilarious is that none of those were meant to be the original plan, but J.J. changed that because he saw that some people had figured out his sh*tty mystery box before Episode Vll even came out and went into panic mode.
I cannot stop bitterly laughing at Mark Hammil’s description of how he had to pretend he was not acting as Luke Skywalker but as a different guy, maybe Jake Skywalker. Holy shit.
The more I see of Mark Hamill being miserable and sad during interviews, the more I understand why he's leaving Star Wars.
@@hariman7727Its also a little bit because they killed his character, no?
@@themug406 that doesn't help.
@@themug406
Nah, he would have been perfectly happy (as would most of the audience, atleast the none-toxic parts) if they killed him off whilst respecting his character and giving his death meaning.
He brought joy to a whole generation and was then dragged through shit with the same character decades later.
Anyone would be pissed.
>The jedi need to die
*1 hour later*
>tHe SaCrEd JeDi TeXtS
Lmfao
Maybe it’s because Luke is upset that HE didn’t set fire to the texts. Yoda took away the pleasure from him... This is pure comedy the more I think about it.
Bruh I never realized that. This movie is a joke.
*2 hours before*
_saves his father from the dark side_
*1 hour before*
_doesnt even attempt to save his nephew from the dark side_
Its basically like saying the Catholic Church needs to go away but Jesus has some good points in the Bible. Not that any of this actually matters.
Don't shove this "failure is the best teacher" line down my throat and have your main character, Rey, emerge victorious in nearly every single dangerous situation. She is immune to failure. This movie says one thing and shows another.
Rey even succeeds in making me dislike her. She literally doesn't fail at *anything!*
She failed to kill Han Solo and Chewbacca with the poison in TFA.
To be fair she failed at turning Kylo, who remained a sith and her enemy so she has at east failed in that regard.
She still succeeds nearly everywhere else
I think the core of the MaRey Sue problem is that she doesn't have to face the consequences of her own personal limitations because either she doesn't have any or the other characters don't recognize them as such.
Luke had all sorts of character flaws that he had to overcome.
Even an overpowered protagonist can be written well. Magneto is a perfect example. He's an unstoppable idealist, but his machiavellian way turns him into an anti-hero, and eventually he becomes the antagonist. He has to be stopped by his own people, i.e. he's facing the consequences of his character flaws.
Rey on the other hand has no character flaws, or when she does it's instead portrayed as righteousness. And since she's so powerful on top of that without having earned it and without any explanation, we don't know why we should be invested in her. If she's already perfect in every way, both externally and internally, why bother? What's the big deal if the worst that happens to her externally is a slight wound on the arm, and the worst that happens to her internally is that she cries a little over her parents (but apparently accepts Kylo's version of the truth with no problems during her little escapade on the Supremacy).
Same with the "let the past die." Don't tell me to look to the future in a movie that is over 50% composed of references and rip-offs of movies that came out decades ago without any of the build-up or resonance that made them meaningful.
The reason why they don’t show Lukes reaction to Han Solo’s death is because, not even in this atrocious fanfiction, would it make any conceivable sense for Luke to remain in hiding after finding out his best friend was murdered by his own son, his pupil.
He still learnt about it...
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Ok well done autist, back to the corner with you
For the whole Force Ghosts being able to summon thunder and all that jazz, I refer everyone to a key line from The Empire Strikes Back:
Obi-Wan: If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I can not interfere.
HE SAID IT RIGHT THERE IN THE FREAKING MOVIE! FORCE GHOSTS CAN NOT INTERFERE!
I guess Rian forgot that.
Forgot it or didn't care?
Forgot or didn’t know?
Force is female so ofc they can
I think that was more of a reference to splinter of the minds eye, in that book luke fights Vader in it and is possessed by the spirit of obi-wan due to the influence of the kaiburr crystal. The kaiburr crystal was able to magnify force sensitives by a thousand percent as long as they were in proximity to it in its temple and it allowed obi-wan to possess luke to aid him defeat Vader so he and Leia's can escape.
@@colinbielat8558 stop referring to the books. Those are post gov rationalizations of shit. Some of the books are decent, none of them matter one iota when discussing the movies.
MauLer: ''We are left to asume that Snoke is an invention.
J. J. Abrams: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
1K likes but only one reply, what kind of sorcery is this
Well, it was J.J. who invented him.
Turns out he was more right than we realized
Why? How could anyone do this to Star Wars, knowingly or not and be okay with it? Especially if that person claimed to be a fan, even going so far as to say that Luke Skywalker was one of his heroes growing up. Okay? Maybe the word hero, doesn’t carry the same meaning for him that it does for the rest of us? There are no words . . .
😔🧐🤨🥺😠😡🤬🤬😳🥴🤢🤮🖕
You missed a plot hole with the “parents reveal scene” in my opinion. Rian Johnson has said that he decided to make Rey’s parents “nobody” because he believed it was the hardest thing for her to hear, which is wrong. JJ Abrams already told Rey the hardest thing for her to hear.
It was established in The Force Awakens that Rey had been on Jakku for most of her life waiting for her parents. - “I know all about waiting... for my parents” she tells BB8 - Then Maz Kanata gets Rey to admit to herself that whoever she’s been waiting for are not coming back. An emotional moment that puts her in tears.
So Rey already knows they’re not coming back, but now she’s upset that the people who are not coming back are “nobody”? That doesn’t make sense. And why when pressed by Kylo would she refer to her parents as “nobody”? It was never indicated in these movies that she hoped for her parents to be significant people in the galaxy. *FANS* were hoping that Rey’s parents would explain her abilities, but Rey was just looking for family. I think this is proof that Rian Johnson (maybe unwittingly) was writing to subvert fan expectations and not for character development. He basically reshoots the Maz Kanata scene but inserts Kylo and acts like Rey was expecting her parents to be prominent people.
That scene bothered me because it made Rey less interesting, and also because it didn’t make sense that she would be upset that the people who deserted her were “nobody”.
InDaZone The entire movie was constantly bouncing against the 4th wall. Nobody talks like a person. I missed that little detail, that's a good observation. A scene that read similarly to me was Finn's "Rebel Scum" line.
He said it as if he was making a direct reference to Star Wars. Like he saw the movies?
I am a little drunk right now but I read your comment and it made a huge amount of sense, holy shit, I regret not putting that in my video, It is a pattern I have missed. The dialogue is explained better when framed as a response to fans rather than from the characters own perception. < hopefully that makes sense.
+MauLer As you said in the video, your audience just keeps discovering new plotholes faster than you can discuss them
The Curl Exactly. That’s why so many scenes felt like a middle finger to fans. Whether Johnson can admit it to himself or not, he was writing with fan theories in his mind. It’s like his explanation for Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder. He claims that was the most “honest reaction” he could think of. How is that an honest reaction? Luke has been alone on the island for who knows how long and a human shows up holding a family heirloom. Instead of asking, where did you get that? who are you? how did you find me? Who sent you? He just throws it over his shoulder and stomps off in a cartoonish way. There’s nothing honest about the reaction. It’s simply to subvert fan expectations.
InDaZone Oh no. Everything RJ did in the movie and how he has responded to people being none to pleased with the outcome says he was very intently going against fans. If he wasn’t, he would not have mocked Kylo for losing to a girl. Women being highly competent in this movie especially and rather ok throughout the rest of the Star Wars Universe. Among other things.
The worst part about Rey is the fact that in the Lego Holiday Special, where she time travels and sees various different moments in Star Wars history, she is a much more complete and developed character.
She struggles with the expectation of teaching Finn about the Force and training him as a Jedi, she is terrified of him falling to the Dark Side, and she actually struggles in fighting her opponents, learning lessons along the way and facing her weaknesses. Daisy Ridley actually SHINES and emotes so much better as a fucking Lego brick.
Because the lego people actually cared and tried, instead of doing what Rian did in flopping out a bad fanfic.
I wish there was a cameo of Legends timeline characers😩
I'm very shocked by how accurate this is. She really did have better character development in a Lego special than the whole trilogy.
I haven't seen it, I've also never seen episode 9. I gave up after this movie, I just couldn't do it anymore. The only other Star Wars project I watched was The Mandolorion, and we know how that turned out ... But, if the Lego special is worth my time?
Don't forget Lego Phasma...who in the Lega game adaptation of TFA is a MUCH better character who is supportive of her troops in order to garner their loyalty which makes them even more fanatical in their loyalties to the point where she is genuinely hurt when Finn betrays her. They have a boss fight where they're ARGUING their points of view with Finn trying to convince Phasma to see reason, but to his dismay she's too loyal to the First Order to believe him and he's forced to fight despite not wanting to hurt his mentor and semi-adoptive parent.
Why is literally every single Lego PARODY version of the sequel trilogy's character so much better in every way than their film counterparts? It genuinely feels like the Lego parodies are the real script and the movies should be the parodies.
“Its worth it to destroy that town, make em hurt”
The only one who hurt were the slaves who were likely beaten if not killed for letting them escape, and then would be forced to fix and clean up their mess. Good job rose. 👍
Typical modern day protest thinking. Hurt innocents who had nothing to do with anything. That'll show the rich and powerful.
I do wonder how many innocent workers and civilians of the Empire were killed on the two Death Stars, fully celebrated by the rebellion and Jedi Order?
@@phoenixmistertwo8815 Workers.. ehh maybe? On the second, probably. Civilians on an active battle station? I doubt that. One could also say that those working on a planet killer arent all that innocent, however, you are right indeed! The difference is, however, the death star was a planet destroying super weapon that was going to kill billions if left untouched. In that movie, there is a heavy sacrifice that is made, and innocents die because of the war. Its not sacrificing the dignity and possibly lives of the innocent to hurt the innocent which in the end caused nothing but suffering and did *no* good.
@Darth Vader , was there an empire before the Sith and Jedi? I mean, what is that history I wonder.
@@phoenixmistertwo8815 The empire is an EMPIRE, which undoubtedly had its own production pipeline and manufacturing capability.
Also, putting a military death base in a civilian contractor's hands is a bit iffy.
“You bet the survival of the resistance on bad odds”
Next movie: the holdo maneuver is 1/1,000,000
Not only that. How the hell is ramming a ship into another one in a straight line a 1/1,000,000 chance?
Arko i just assume everyone has storm trooper aim at base till the plot armor kicks in.
"Never tell me the odds!"
Not to mention
TLJ: Rey’s parents were irrelevant scrap merchants
TRS: Rey’s parent was the Literal Scion Of Darth “Sheev Palpatine” Sidious
@@Arko777777 JJ is basically telling us that Rian Johnson's "Hyperspace Hulk Smash" maneuver was a terrible idea (which it was). It's a terrible explanation that's also meant to tell us why they can't use it again in "Rise of Skywalker."
“How does it feel to play the first Star Wars female villain”
Asajj Ventress: *Loudly clears throat*
That was honesty the dumbest thing i have ever heard
Darth Traya, Aurra Sing, Vestara Khai, Mara Jade, Admiral Daala, Jenna Zan Arbor, Tahiri Veila, Darth Zannah, Darth Lachris, Darth Zash, Zam Wesell, Abeloth, etcetc.
But yeah, Kennedy said "There is no source material."
@@RRRanTV Because they fucking said themselves they won't use any of it, I don't understand who's bright idea it was
@@cursedgaraged5801 But they are using it. They are pretentious douchebags who thought that they could do SO much better until it blew up in their faces, and now they steal from better writers and use it to awkwardly hold up their dumpster fire of a trilogy.
DARTH. FUCKING. TRAYA.
I love how Rose just knows that literally everyone in that casino was an arms dealer and that there is no possible way they could get in there without being war profiteers. And then proceeds to ruin everyone's day and put their lives at risk out of sheer arrogance
Sounds like your average "woke" person these days. Catergorical thinking driven by overemotionality.
At least it fits her character well… if only she wasn’t written to be seen as some kind of hero instead of the laughing stock she actually was. Misguided, childish attempts at ‘saving’ people which just makes things way worse. “By saving what we love!”
For me, the evil of the Last Jedi is this: Rian Johnson decided to sit down, and take the communal story of Star Wars, that we have shared as a society for 30 years, and instead of growing it, tore it down to tell a story completely unrelated to the world. He's selfish, and he's smug about it.
Actually I think the more accurate term to describe him is AMERICAN.
Think of all the characteristics he has displayed and what nationality comes to mind? A selfish, individualistic arrogance with no thought of others...
@@bigduke2140 Weirdly prejudice to think of an entire nationality as "selfish, individualistic and arrogant". I wonder where you're from and how you'd feel to have your nationality ridiculed in this way - probably not so great. Ignorance comes from everywhere I suppose.
careful buddy, you'll pull your arm out of its socket with how far you're reaching.
@@bigduke2140 what a moronic comment
@@bigduke2140 Wow. You're being quite awful and arrogant with that BS.
I wouldn't say it's an American attitude. I'd say it's a leftist attitude. He knew he was right, he didn't care about whether or not what he was doing would hurt others, and pats himself on the back and thinks he did good while the world burns around him.
See: All the examples of the various forms of leftism and tyranny that have killed millions and ruined economies, like Socialism, Communism, and Corporatism.
EDIT: It's also Canada that has the MAID service that's the Canadian "health care" system literally killing more and more citizens instead of helping them.
Isaac Asimov used the term "idiot plot" for a story which "only works if every a character is an idiot."
His specific example was Character X knows something and keeps it from Character Y for no reason.
...Which seems to describe Holdo.
she can't have thought there was a spy on board, because her plan assumes there is no spy. a spy means the first order knows or will know one or more of the following:
the transports exist; the crew has abandoned ship on small transports; the rebels touch down on a nearby planet; the location of the hidden base.
the addition of a spy, or the belief of a spy, completely defeats the plan.
John Nowak Sounds like Alien Covenant. 2017 was the worst year for movies lmao.
jaqs smith also, she had no reason to suspect Poe himself, as he is their best pilote, as well as a commander, and the man responsible for the destruction of starkiller, and if she didn’t think he was the spy, then she would’ve simply take him aside.
They could’ve had her being the traitor, that would’ve make more sense, and Poe or Leia devise the emergency plan with the shuttles.
What makes the film instantly 205% idiot plot is that once Holdo hyperspace rams the First Order, it immediately raises the question of why the hell not a single First Order ship in their entire fleet thought to just do that to the Resistance cruiser right at the start of the film.
"We have to keep chasing them until they run out of fuel."
"Sir, can't we just get an empty ship to hyperspace instantly right through them?"
"Oh yeah."
*Rebels die, film ends*
@@SerMattzio Because *idiot plot* exist.
FINN: baffled by the possibility that someone could work for both sides.
ALSO FINN: was a stormtrooper less than a week ago.
Oh, but don’t you realize? The Janitorius Inquisition is a neutral faction of its own! Finn has indeed always been grey (but also black)!
@@Unknown-hb3id Is THAT why Finn panicked at the beginning of TFA? Did he accidentally get on the wrong transport-ship and didn't realize until those bay doors opened and he saw Kylo catching lasers with his mind and was like, "Wait, toilets don't shoot lasers!"
...You know, this started off as a joke but it honestly would explain a lot.
@@CERTAIND00M In reality, Finn was just grossed out about having to clean up the village after the mass executions.
dIrTy jObS, iT aIn'T mUcH bUt It'S hOnEsT wOrK
Legit like 5 days, if that, and he was in a literal coma for some of it.
Unknown Finn was still a storm trooper I think they just used him as a janitor on starkiller base
I was always amazed how many people took Kylo Ren’s words as gospel when he told Rey her parents were nothing. I had only one thought from the moment he said this: “How in the hell would he know? He didn’t know who Rey was just days before. This is nothing but another manipulation tactic to encourage her to sever ties with anything that could keep her holding on to something good.”
And that’s exactly what I thought it was, too! A final test in his apprentice training: become a master to his own apprentice. It was almost done, too, but no. Honestly, this is the only potential redeeming factor on that line. Kylo did a white lie to convince Rey that she had nothing and nobody… except him. Clearly it got into her head, but it was so under-explored it hurt more than it gave a glimmer of hope that there was passion behind this script and this series.
@@GuiSmith I’m glad someone else saw that.
Most people believed it because the writing was terrible. There’s no way that Ryan knows about the theory of mind.
@Jon Hesson It’s hard to have a twist when your story writers don’t have a plan, isn’t it? We know this trilogy was spitballed together, as inconceivable as that notion is for a trilogy of films that is also planned to be a trilogy. How do you plan a trilogy but not create a decisive through line and story arc for it? It’s so much incompetence on Kennedy’s part. As far as I’m concerned, the entire argument is a moot point when even the writers didn’t know what they were doing from one film to the next. There’s no twist without a plan because there’s no story without a plan.
@Jon Hesson It’s pretty pathetic. What’s worse though is I have a friend who told me he thinks Rise of Skywalker was “brilliant.”
It just occurred to me that a Finn Vs Phasma final confrontation is something that generally happens in the final movie. I mean, it was already bad enough that Snoke was killed before the third movie in the trilogy but now it's just obvious that Rian Johnson is *really* not a team player. Kathleen Kennedy should've been furious at him, despite whatever political stances he holds, because he took every step to ruin the concept of a trilogy.
I see he directed some episodes of Breaking Bad. I'm surprised he didn't try to just end the entire series each time. I bet he thought of it, though: "I could just so easily make it so that the meth lab explodes and kills both of them. Dammit, why didn't they make me the writer, too? I have such good ideas."
KK bears a great deal of the responsibility for this mess -- she needed to make sure that there was a plan in place for a coherent trilogy
@@PebkioNomare he directed the episode called ‘the fly’ where they spend the whole episode trying to kill a fly. It was the episode that made me stop watching the show. Found out years later it was ruin Johnson and I wasn’t even surprised haha
The Last Jedi was very succesful in one aspect though:
It helped me appriciate original trilogy and even prequel trilogy even more than I already did
Legit actually enjoyed the boring parts of the prequels having watched them now, helps to know Jar Jar is a Sith.
@@SgtKOnyx that a good one
Yup.. At least george did the prequels and they are real star wars movies.. I don't mind even if it's boring at times.. It doesn't destroy the complete story..
@@travelerluke5748 I have more respect for the prequels after seeing the last jedi. If the leaks are true I think a cool ending would be if Rey became the empress I just don't think she is signed on after this movie.
Prequels still shit.
1:22:51 "Or even the granddaughter of Emperor Palpatine." That remark aged beautifully.
"And it could mean so many interesting things for her character, so many avenues to explore"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.... No.
@@kentonbaird1723 "Could" being the operative word. Only we have needed a good writer for that... and to have not had to cram two movies into one.
he completely fucking predicted EVERYTHING about the rise of skywalker
Kenton Baird Yeah but MauLer’s suggestion didn’t include Palpatine being alive again. Just Rey’s lineage to him.
@@spenser9908 well yeah.... who could predict such a desperate idea as ressurecting a character?
Ohh, wait, disney owns marvel now...
I love the whole who is Rey related to segment, when mauler is talking about if she was the granddaughter of palatine and what that could’ve meant for her character. Oh this aged so well and oh so horribly at the same time.
Leia Poppins pissed me off so bad. And my sister and her best friend loved it. I will never understand why the sequel trilogy is so loved with so many glaring problems. The OT wasn’t perfect, but it was great for what it was.
Your sister might be diminished
There was so many was they could have had a "you thought she was dead but noooo" and they choose to have her fly back into the ship t-posing
Humans as a species are sympathetic to stories, and it takes some mental effort (or a really bad story) to pull your head back to reality and start picking them apart. That's why religions are so effective at convincing people of things that there is no evidence for, they all have their holy stories.
I mean, people feel the same about the OT. There's only one great movie in the trilogy and the OT is still lauded highly.
I don't think it is that loved. The media sold out for it, but had the films really done what they should have Disney would be making more movies.
'When your own headcanon is the only thing preventing the film from falling apart, you have to admit you *might* be a little brainwashed.'
Ladies and gentlemen...Welcome to about 75% of TLJ apologetics.
Honestly, I've been trying to get that point across to many different fanbases for years, ever since I first watched Sword Art Online. It's an issue with fandoms in general, they brainwash themselves in order to defend their content.
They make assumpions or "likely" assumptions about the characters that do make certain aspects work better but they are not in the movie or confirmed. But they don't actually have an argument.
Glad to be apart of the 25%.
@Olivier Dubreuil-Gagnon same. The only reason I can follow TLJ's messy plot is to "try to fill in" what Rian Johnson might have left out.
@RevelHeir I don't have one, I think it's one of the better Star Wars films yet.
Remember when the funny little green guy going thru Luke's stuff at the Xwing turned out to be Yoda? Remember how the look on Luke's face when he figured it out as Yodas demeanor changed and the Jedi master revealed?
THAT'S proper subversion, Rian.
Nah that's basic shit...
Family Guy did it better:
Are you Yoda?
No I'm not Yoda... Ok I'm Yoda
Pepperidge Farm remembers. I remember too....from 1980.
"Subverting expectations" means you haven't an original thought in your head, don't understand foreshadowing, and want to make sure that everyone knows you're an artist. This way, when you write a story that doesn't hang together. Giving these people creative control over a franchise created by their betters is like giving me Lebron James's basketball on the assumption that I'll be able to dunk.
@@TOONYBOY it's still subversion
@@thescottishanimeguy9946 That's the joke
I love how Ryan thought it was necessary to have a message about child labor being bad in a world where most developed nations outlawed it decades ago
Maybe Ryan regularly visits the middle east?
He thought Kony 2012 was still a thing
In fairness a lot of US states are rolling back regulations in that regard
ye. thats obviously why its in there. To teach people its bad... cant just be there to have us dislike them and justify whatever bad happens to them?
@@jmurray1110While the major culprits receive no backlash.
Why is everything always accused with a look cast at the States?
It's like being told that America needs to be "green" while other countries are environmental Hellscapes and never get a visit from activists.
Here's an example of subversion of expectations that works: Indy shooting the large swordsman while he's swinging his sword about menacingly in Raiders of the Lost Ark. However, that character hasn't been built up as an important character to the story. The lack of characterization doesn't hurt in that case, unlike Snoke. He's just there for a funny gag and to show how cool and nonchalant Indy is. (And yeah, I know why they did the scene that way, with Harrison Ford being sick being the reason.)
"Its time to let old things die."
We get it, Ryan. You hate the Original Trilogy and its fans. We get it. Very clever. Too bad you couldn't channel all that sass into making a competent, functional script.
Myes. Everytime I revisit the movie through these critiques or rants, I am reminded of how, while sitting in the theatre, I felt that all these desecrations and deaths of the original characters and storylines felt purposefully mean spirited. Like a bully tearing apart a treasured possession- just to see you suffer. I'm not sure that anyone with any clout on that team really liked Star Wars at all. In fact, they HATED Star Wars, it would seem. If they were apathetic, basically they could have had the original characters just grow old and stay home. But instead they were incredibly motivated to RUIN them.. and then kill them. Chilling.
Level1Hera the would have to kill some of the characters but they really did have to make them shine first you can not have luke be the sad emo jedi hating hermit and then have him die. He should've died like luke Skywalker and not this shadow of him. And if you would ask me I would've liked it if there would've been a scene in the force awakens with the original crew.
That's what pissed me off so much about his attitude. He's made it clear, HE wanted to tell HIS story, everything else be damned. He could have done that any other time. I don't understand why he had to co-opt this movie in order to do that.
WRONG
They also hate the prequels
They wanted to destroy everything that SW was and remake it into this new thing by basically telling you to forget about it and care about the new cast
Yeah, it's because tradition represents patriarchy, white supremacy, heteronormawhatever the fuck and all the other nonsensical made up big bads that these raving lunatics can think of to blame all their problems on. These are the people in charge in Hollywood now and they are the reason that most movies are utter shit. Just agendas being shoved down your throat with zero substance.
"Phasma is the first female Star Wars villain."
Barriss Offee, the Genosian queen, several members of the Confederation, the Zygerrian queen, Asaaj Ventress, the night sisters, and Aura Sing were all in the Clone Wars tv series before Phasma existed.
Not to mention Zam in Attack of Clones.
Zam at least affect the plot of the series in a meaningful way
Ysanne Isard, Natasi Daala, Tavion, ...
Oh wait, they aren't canon anymore.
@@GeneralMacek Some of the greatest bitches in the universe. Every single one of them was cleverer, meaner and more efficient than the whole First Order.
@@gregoreder8205 Especially Daala. Without her, there would be no Imperial Remnant and Warlords would continue in devastating Imperial legacy.
I can never forget my girl Asaaj.
why am i re-watching this, I've seen more times than the actual film, much more entertaining!
It's so dense with information that you WANT to watch it again, and it's so well put together it's captivating.
Ive watched the movie once in the movie theater and tried to watch it one more time but I cant get through the crank call // bomb bay doors opening scene without going ballistic. Ive watched Maulie's 3 videos over and over and over again. Love them.
"'Kill the past' is being looked at as 'forget the past'." I completely agree, you know what movie handled this much better in a realistic sort of way? "Ah yes, the past can hurt, but the way I see it; you can either run from it or learn from it."
Which movie was that from?
"it doesn't matter, it's in duh past"
The lion king@@occam7382
The Lion King, baby!
My problem with the lighting was that "if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine" was a very profound phrase that was systematically ruined by this.
Originally the phrase meant something deeper, that it was not literal power, but a oneness and spirituality. In defeat he would ascend to a higher state that you will never reach.
It made you question power itself, the squabbles over meaningless things in our life. All tieing together into the force and how luke learns to let go and trusts his feelings.
But no.
That ACTUALLY just means you can summon tier 9 lighting strikes, because you took the light path which ends in strong end game abilities, even though the early game is weak.
This honestly bothers me.
elronman I mean while I agree to a degree and I’m also not defending this movie at all, in the legends they did play around with force ghosts and the spirits of Mortis in the clone wars to be able to interact with physical things to a degree. Force storms were a power used by dark side users at times so I think if it had been done correctly, it could go the way you explained it and also open them up to new abilities however they just choose not to use them to interfere as Jedi. I mean Vader and other people fought with spirits from holocrons and tombs and stuff. Just my thoughts
@@spencer8388 Well, the spirits of Magna Ragnos and co not only needed to possess bodies or at least suck power out of them (thus not being able to interact with the world on their own) but were also fairly limited in their power. They somewhat resemble beings with bodies. They can't appear wherever they want whenever they want as force ghosts apparently can. The Yoda force ghost in this movie could just appear in front of Snoke or Kylo Ren or in the tracker room and kill them or hack into it.
Not only that but it tells vader that he could kill him, but he would never be able put him in the same hell vader went into. That vader could never truly have his revenge.
"In defeat, [Obi Won] would ascend to a higher state that [Vader] will never reach."
It's an interesting interpretation but not exactly accurate, considering that the end of RotJ showed both Obi Won AND Vader as force-ghosts.
Maybe Obi Won had simply been making an empty threat (though it certainly didn't FEEL like one) or maybe Vader had managed to redeem himself by killing the Emperor. Though, IMO "chucking an old man off a walkway" doesn't seem like it would be super redemptive.
@Dyl H. Interesting. In a way then, that line was essentially a continuation of their screaming-match on Mustafar. It's as if we, the audience, are only privy to pieces of an argument that these former friends have been having for decades.
Snoke's dialogue right before he dies felt like something right out of an episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
"I CANNOT BE BETRAYED"
*cut to title card*
Snoke Is Betrayed
njdss4 "Throw me in the Traaaaaash!" - Han Solo, Death Star Planet, 2015
njdss4 It is Joss Whedon humor through and through. Watch Buffy and a lot of these moments are there.
LOL
I guarantee that somewhere, some knucklehead was actually shocked when Kylo betrayed Snoke.
*The Gang Betrays Supreme Leader Snoke*
One thing i wanna add to jedi fights: We know from the OT and the Prequels that Jedi can see into the future. So the fights are naturally not only swordfights with lightsabers, they are fights were two force sensitive characters are constantly trying to out-predict their opponent. Its only logical the fights look different than real life
Oh wow, i never thought about it that way.
Anyone ever noticed in that clip where Gwendoline Christie was recognized for Phasma and Brienne of Tarth, people wait to clap until Brienne is mentioned? Take that how you will, but I always see this as people caring only about Brienne, and I think that's absolutely hilarious.
Brienne was an amazing character. Truly the definition of breaking a stereotype and an exemplary good female character not because she’s a female.
@@armandobelloso4802 How do you write a good female character? You write a good character.
@@dylanmcaden285 LOL Facts
Her trying to justify the characters existence is so cringe
@@manoz6194, any of the actors/actresses trying to justify their characters' existence is just sad to watch, because you know that they know how awful and hollow their characters really are, but they can't just say it out loud because of Papa Disney.
"What a misguided fan fiction this is" The last Jedi summed up beautifully in a single sentence.
Jay Dowg yes.
When I saw the blue milk scene, I thought, "this is fetish porn."
Dude please, I’ve read fanfiction FAR better then this shit.
Loving the disney trilogy = confessing your own dementia
😬
@@clarkkent4245 oof size = large
"Ray defeats Luke Skywalker in combat"... that line right there, it just hurts.
@fer04i
Im not even a Star Wars fan, and it hurts me too 😞
Did she though? I don't like the movie at all either, but Luke disarmed her, he only fell back because he was surprised by her force pulling the lightsaber and igniting it
@@BlargeMan she was about to murder the man she needed for training, and he still attempts to train her. Weird.
If you think about it, it makes sense.
It’s very likely that an invincible goddess would defeat the Joker as an old man.
@@BlargeMan Cuz a veteran soldier, rebel leader and jedi master would fall over from a jump scare...
57:42 Not to forget that Poe was, in practically every measurable way, her second in command. Even if a couple of command deck personnel outranked him, you’re in SPACE. Poe’s the sole leader of your only STARSHIP SQUADRON. Need to know has been 100% fulfilled.
Listening to the phasma actor at the end of the video actually killed me
She legit talked for a good minute there and said absolutely nothing other than "oh my god, its amazing that I am a female actor"
Seemed more like a kid who answered an exam question to fill space. She didn't seem proud doing it.
She thinks evil characters are "progressive", that the audience wants to see themselves as those evil characters or at least relate to them. The only conclusion I can reach is that the actor who played Phasma is herself evil.
Another thing Mauler that I felt you hadn't mentioned is how the Jedi and Sith are effectively flipped on their head now. Rey being a Jedi, despite being highly emotional and fighting with hate, gains a lot of power with next to no training and that they just need to follow their heart. Kylo has shitloads of training, and has difficulties giving up his emotional ties, and loses immediately to Rey on their first encounter. It's like a role reversal, being a Sith now requires everything that a Jedi needed in the prequels (giving up attachments, emotions, requiring great amounts of training) and now being a Jedi requires you to follow your heart, fight with hate, and that training is unnecessary (Yoda even says so).
What the hell happened?
ReshyShira thats how feminazi works. They view themselves as right and as heroes when in reality...... Heh
That's a good point. Actually I'm glad you brought it up because I remember reading somewhere that someone mentioned that Rey is more impulsive than Kylo Ren which is more characteristic of the Dark Side. I totally agree with you. This movie is just appalling once everything is broken down. I didn't think about half of the things he talked about but it's horrifying to have someone point them out.
Heck, Kylo even feels "the pull to the light". Since when does the light side tempt anyone ? Even that is flipped off which funnily enough fits perfectly into this.
Jackson Smith Ok, this is just an example. In the EU, Obi Wan as a padawan meets Jexter Dexter for the first time and during their conversation a small child and his sister are being harassed by the security force of the planet. (Planet was corrupt, and blasters were banned unless you were in the military/police force of this planet.) Obi wan intervens, and when the guards point their rifles at him, he cuts through them. People see his blue blade, and start cheering because they thought the Jedi had come to help them. Immediately, the guards step down. Later, Jexter asks Obi wan if he knew the true power of the lightsaber. He responds "The ability to cut through almost everything." Dexter laughs and says "that's what I used to think, But then one day, I saw a young Jedi named Obi Wan Kenobi activate his saber on Ord Sigatt, and that's when I learned it's true power. Cutting through things is merely a lightsaber's technical function, but it's real power is in the eye of the beholder. The sight of a lightsaber can inspire great fear, but it also inspire great hope. It all depends on whether one regards the Jedi as friend or foe. With one quick sweep of a lightsaber, you gave hope to everyone who saw your blade. Except for the bad guys that is. Your lightsaber brought them to their knees and without spilling a drop of blood." So if a child sees that, and is inspired to help people in their time of need just as a Jedi did, I could see that as a pull to the light.
+Jackson Smith The sad thing is Kylo feeling a "pull" to the Light Side could have been an actually interesting subversion. It's always been the Dark Side that's seductive to Force sensitives, so I was on board with seeing a Force user feeling a natural inclination to the Light Side, but really wanting to go with the Dark Side instead. It could raise so many interesting plot and character questions about why Ren would have such seemingly flipped priorities.
But wasting potentially good plots and characters is the only thing the sequel trilogy is good at.
I can't believe that Rey's enjoyment of the rain and the trauma of a near death by that same element wasn't used as an opportunity for character development for her and Luke.
Like Mauler says, she falls into the water...maybe instead of just swimming to the surface, she's at a very clear risk of drowning because she doesn't know how to swim. Luke initially sees her falling into the water as a point of vague amusement, but it swiftly turns to obvious concern when he realizes that she can't swim and he dives in to rescue her. So right off the bat, it helps establish that Luke's cynicism is only skin deep, and maybe also helps Luke himself realize that he isn't nearly as uncaring to the ongoing plight of the galaxy as he's convinced himself. Rey, on the other hand, has a harrowing and humbling experience that parallels her experience with the Force. Her light dabbling in it before now has been largely successful, but just in the same way that the thrill of feeling rainfall and the terror of nearly drowning comes down to an experience with the same element, she maybe now gets a sense of why the Force isn't something to be treated lightly, and that delving too deep and too quickly can consume her. In that same vein, Luke realizes the importance of actually mentoring Rey and teaching her the ways of the Force because leaving her to her own devices could mean her death or fall to the dark side.
But I guess she can just swim, so nevermind.
electricbayonet2 That’s... *good.* That’s really good.
You know If KiKi the witch just got her powers back that anime would be pretty boring.
electricbayonet2 Well Rian's whole goal was to make Luke as useless and unsympathetic as possible, so of course he didn't do that. Luke could've been cut from the film and almost nothing would've changed.
I THINK the water was purely a force vision but I'm not sure. Not sure how she envisioned herself swimming conventionally, having her move through the water in a weird, unnatural way would have conveyed it better.
Well, Rey is a Mary Sue, and Mary Sues can never face legitimate danger, and they certainly never need rescuing, because they are Just That Good, so...
23:31: Force Ghost Lore breaking
27:31 Theme of Morality in Star Wars
47:45 Rey's flaws as perfect character
1:15:30 the throne room fight
1:28:26 Holdo Maneuver
Thanks…the makers of the sequel trilogy had to virtually ignore force ghosts, otherwise the sequels don’t happen…Ben Solo won’t turn to the dark side if force ghost Anakin talks him out of it…Luke won’t leave the Jedi order if force ghosts Obi Wan, Anakin and Yoda speak with him
The point here is: if making the sequels clash against the lore, don’t make them
But there was too much money to be made by making these films, so the lore had to be ditched
speaking of the Holdo Maneuver and evacuating everyone... how does the First Order NOT notice that all the life signs were vanishing?
This film tries to manipulate the audience to feel guilty for choosing Poe over Holdo, but we can see through it Disney.
What annoys me about Phasma is the actress they chose for her. Let's talk about Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones and how utterly badass she is for second. This is a massive woman. She towers over most of the men in the show. She's physically powerful, extraordinarily tough, has amazing sword skills (even Jamie Lannister who is consider by many to be one of the greatest swordsman who ever lived remarked on her skills) and is one of the most honorable characters in the entire show. She's an example of a strong female character done right. Yes she's big and strong and her physical prowess allows her to fight men but she's not consider attractive by anyone in a show filled with attractive women who can't fight. She's honorable but suffers horribly because of this (and remains honorable despite her suffering). She's both a woman who beats the shit out of one of the most formidable men on the show and a great character with loads of depth. Now compare Brienne to Phasma. Look at what they did with this actress. And this is being applauded as some sort of victory for the depiction of women in film. I didn't know feminists hated women. I didn't know they thought women were useless and hollow creatures who offer nothing to anyone and contribute nothing to any situation they find themselves in. In fact considering that Phasma's two defining traits are that she's a woman and her armor is unique I can only take from this that all I should care about in a woman is her genitals and her appearance. Fuck this movie and anyone who pretends it's some sort of social justice triumph. They killed Star Wars to signal virtue and they couldn't even manage to make the female characters decent.
Trash Opinion that’s what I said
PREACH
Brienne failed every single mission EVER entrusted to her. Hell, even when her vow to kill Stannis was realized all she did was kill an already defeated man. LOL. She's the worst. Watch GOT carefully, she literally is the biggest failure EVER.
All I could think of during the scene where Phasma fought Finn was that if that actually WAS Brienne in space armor, she would have kicked Finn's fucking face in, in about 15 seconds, ending his character. Now THAT would have been a subversion.
There are no strong female characters if strong means martial combat. That’s pure fantasy. Nonsense from too many silly movies.
That "kill the past", Simba tried to do the same with the hakunaMatata and ended up getting a life lesson from a baboon that hit him with a stick revealing the things that happen in the past influences the future.
José Andrade this is so painfully ironic
José Andrade This movie needed an anthropomorphic baboon.
+Michael Sims *Snap*
Well this is a Disney film.
Hm, well spotted! Yoda hits Luke in the head with the stick and with all Yoda's insane cackling he is kinda like Rafiki. Curse you Disney.... curse you. #Notmystarwars
Someone on the writing team saw what Battlestar Galactica did with the Pegasus and thought, "Let's do that with our ship" except it had none of the emotional weight behind it because we didn't really care about Holdo or the Raddus.
And they even brought Starbuck in Star Wars (ok, I know it was before Disney)...it didn't work.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8plet’s not even mention Starbuck in the same vein as the garbage company that is modern Disney
When Poe mutineered and took control of the ships I actually thought that the writers realized what they did, wanted to correct it without anyone really losing face, and wrote that in so that Poe could lead the fight like he was supposed to…
So much for what I thought…🤷♂️
If the wanted to correct it they would have reshot the scenes before that
"The first female villain in Star Wars". Asaji Ventress started as a throw away villain from The Clone Wars that was evil because she was bad. But ended up having a compelling story as she was betrayed and struggled to find her place in the galaxy. But yet Phasma is gunna claim to be the FIRST!?!?
THANK YOU!
These people are shallow, and think they can do better than talented people because they’re so woke...
The people who made this gormless film know nothing of Star Wars to begin with.
Also, if we're just talking about the movies, there's Zam Wesell: the shapeshifting bounty hunter from Attack of the Clones.
Don't forget Zam Wessel from Attack of the Clones, Asajj Ventress of course and Bo Katan from TCW as a part of Deathwatch and later fighting only for Mandalore,
Forget the Last Jedi, kill it if you have to.
With pleasure.
Kill The Force Awakens first, if you can. Still, I have a bad feeling about this, says the Porg to the Wookie. ^(°è°)^
@Cian McCabe dude there are virtually no ad breaks in a feature length analysis. Please grow up, and think critically.
JJ Abrams simply needs to redo episode 8 and then he can do episode 9 to complete the rehash of the original trilogy, because now there is nothing to expect for episode 9, since Ryan already killed off Snoke and it'll be a masterpiece for JJ Abrams to be able to turn Kylo into a decent villain... remember: Rey already beat Kylo...
@@asdf42042 NI agree! The whole problem with this Trilogy, even before J.J. was given Ep. 9. Was each movie was directed and written by different people (which that's what happened with the OT), but for this Trilogy instead of working with each other, making everything flow correctly, and filling the plot holes the last movie did; this Trilogy was supposed to be written by itself like it is it's own movie. And you can't do that for any Trilogy.
The biggest failure of Rian...
Having Luke mention a third lesson in the film
Cutting the third lesson completely and putting it on the DVD extras
Spending so much time on Rose mourning her sister's death
Cutting Luke mourning Hans death and putting it on the DVD extras
It's almost as if Rian hates Luke Skywalker 🤔
That's the communist coming out of him.
Did you actually buy the dvd? Lol…
It's kind of interesting to see how the prequels have aged remarkably well.
Sure there's plenty of wooden acting, clunky dialogue and extremely cheesy parts, but what separates it from the sequels is that it was built with HEART. It had a story to tell and tried to do something different with the formula, even if it failed-sometimes enormously- in parts.
The sequels are lazy, badly-crafted retreads of the OT that can't even copy it's good parts correctly and the few nuggets of interest- Snoke's history with the original power trio, Kylo Ren, Rey's mysterious heritage, Finn's life and circumstances to his conscription and development after his defection- are so thoroughly buried in a putrid slurry of shit it's difficult to see them.
What an utter waste.
In short, the Prequels did something. The Sequels did nothing.
Lol I love them, I find all the cheesy bits add to their charm!
"Putrid slurry of shit"
Haha, love it! I will be using this
Yeaaa but they're still terrible movies. Can't judge a movie solely on its intent or its ideas.
@@highdefinition450 They are not terrible movies by today's standard.
'We relate to her through her actions'
Woody: YOU ARE A TOY!!!
My favourite comment here.
"And her character." What character? Brienne of Tarth is a character. Captain Phasma is shiny armor.
@@RanMouri82 She IS quite the character... oh right, she was supposed to be human. I forgot she wasn't a droid that gets consistent mind wipes to keep her compliant.
She said "through her actions and her CHARACTER". I can only imagine they cut out a bunch of scenes because she doesn't have a character. Someone once said "that was a terrible waste of Gwendolene Christie" and I can only agree🙄
I really hate that statement of hers.
She's a VILLAIN, wih no ambiguity to her motives or actions. We're not supposed to relate to her at all. Plus, five minutes of screen time. I got more relation out of Jak Dekster - that diner owner in Attack of the Clones.
"Rey, a completely blank slate, perfect in every way was waiting for her parents to completely define her origins. And now Rey, a completely blank slate, perfect in every way has no origin of interest"
Wha a great way to sum up why Rey is a trash character. Thank you.
do you think that she can become a better character with the mind wipe theory?
@@mik3pif782 MaReysue will never be great.
@@brightgarinson3099 I am not talking about becoming great but about actually making a her a character cause right now she is just amazing by birth.
@@mik3pif782 Do you believe that? Even after Disney pushes her so much with no flaws whatsoever or goals?
@@brightgarinson3099 I just hope they do something with her. It is too late to work on character traits and development but they could at least explain how she is so powerful and why she wants to save kylo so much (maybe she knew him before). Just wishful thinking i guess but whatever happens episode 9 will be my last star wars.
It occurs to me that if they wanted to make Han an absentee father, trying to redeem himself AND make the conflict between Rey and Kylo more believable, they could’ve had Han find Rey when she was a child and have him raise her, explaining some of her technical/fighting skills, then when Kylo kills Han as part of his Dark Side evolution/Hans fatherly redemptive arc, it gives Rey an actual reason to hate and want Kylo dead.
Well he did try to kill Finn the closest thing to a friend she had so that’s reasons enough but it certainly would have fleshed out there relationship
1:41:10 "what is it like for you to play the first star wars female villian?"
Phasma: "it's so exciting!"
Zam Wessell, Assajj Ventress, Mother Talzin, and Aura Sing: "Sleemo, sit down, she meant us."
“What is it like to be part of what was once the greatest franchise of all for less than 10 minutes?”
"AnImaTiOn iS for kIdS!"
this movie was such an insult that I watch every single Last Jedi rant on UA-cam. I check every day for new ones. This is wonderful. I am enjoying every second. this is cathartic.
My favorite rant is definitely Mauler's rant. I swear I watched it 6 times it's so hilarious. And I'd rather watch that 10 more times than watch TLJ again.
Okan Draman Dude, I'd rather watch my house burn down, while Jar Jar Binks sings "And I Will Always Love You" than TLJ.
I hope this movie turns out to be career suicide for Johnson.
+Adam W *Fingers desperately crossed*
Jay Paul same here.
Poor mark Hamill looks traumatised in every interview. Jake Skywalker indeed
I think Ive found another one: if Finn was a janitor, why was he fighting in the force awakens?Why send a jenitor into battle?
The assault squad didn't meet the diversity quota so they had to improvise.
In my opinion, it's that the stormtroopers likely had multiple jobs. He was a janitor on Starkiller Base, not in general, and do you really think there are enough janitors there for a PLANET!?
Why have janitors? Just use droids…
It would have been much more impactful if he was a cleaner. As in 'maintenance worker cover, trained assassin' kind of role, and was only on that transport because his cover was blown epically.
And the potential fallout of this now honoured resistance hero had a dark past killing the very people who now embrace him being revealed.
When Rey and Klo are fighting together, one of the guards is duel wielding. If you watch carefully, when that guard grabs Rey around the throat he wins, but his second weapon disappears so Rey doesn’t have to die!
Ahh, a youtuber of culture^^. Did you see Shads autopsy of the fight scene?
"First female villain"
Assaj Ventress : : Rheeeee
Night Sisters : : Collective rheeee
If you want to, you could even count EV-9D9 - the torture droid in Jabba's Palace from RotJ
Just forget it. They don't care. They just sound bites to placate to identity politics.
to be fair the night sisters werent villains, they just lived on their planet, oftin aiding close friends, but remaining neutral. are some of the things they do fucked up? yes. but i wouldn't call them villans per-say
Cartoons don't count.
Shit characters from a shit show.
Phasma is alive, she fell into space, and as we saw in the film, space is totally safe and she can just float back to the nearest door.
yeah, so safe characters can survive IN A VACUUM!
for fuck sake we've seen that space isn't safe, one of the episodes of the clone wars saw clones being swept into space AND DYING
@@aaron75fy But it subverts your expectations so it's automatically brilliant.
@@Webshooters1 no it isn't
@@aaron75fy your like that one type of kid in my school that takes shit to seriously.
Her armor deflects space just like blaster fire.
23:28 Mark Hammill looks like he’s having a panic attack while taking this interview with Rian Johnson.
I have only watched each movie of the sequel trilogy once each: When Force Awakens released I wasn’t yet a teenager and my interest in Star Wars stemmed from vague memories of the prequels and the Clone Wars animated series I grew up with, I had a vague fascination with creative writing from the few exercises that I remembered doing in primary school.
By the time Rise of Skywalker came around I had grown an interest in writing, story telling, and film as a critical interest, writing fanfiction as a creative outlet and watching film and story critiques and informative videos constantly to try and better myself as a sort of coping mechanism, to stay light on detail I have dealt with my issues growing up and gone through times of great sadness, distress, and apathy, during which writing was a key form of release that I still hold onto today.
The Last Jedi came in the in between period, that awkward phase anyone who developed an interest in storytelling during childhood goes through where you’re reaching a level of maturity to have some notion of what a bad story looks like but are still unaware enough to simply go along with what on surface level makes sense and appeals to the inner child who only wants to be entertained. This is not to say people who don’t go beyond this or any other stage are wrong or don’t know how stories or movies work, like all interests it is a matter of perspective. I become invested in plots and themes, contrivances and plot holes distract me from enjoying an action scene everyone else is contently watching in the same way an over cooked piece of food might might ruin a meal for a professional chef but be perfectly palatable to me, it is not about what is right and wrong, it is about your investment to the craft and desire to understand its intricacies.
It’s is for that reason that the Last Jedi is a somewhat significant film to me as I have perhaps learned more from the Last Jedi on how not to write a story than any other film I have ever seen.
In a way I’m almost glad it’s such a horrendous abomination as while Force Awakens is a shallow imitation of a better film that played entirely of nostalgia, intrigue and the name ‘Star Wars’ it was largely inoffensive enough to general audiences that it wasn’t as heavily criticised. This abortive, deformed, shambling mess of twisted plots, ruined characters, mindless set pieces, obnoxious preachy messaging that falls apart as immensely childish and empty at the lightest scrutiny that managed to burn among the most famous series of films of the last century to the ground, kneecapped any potential of its successor salvaging any modicum of cohesion or profound storytelling in the new generation of films and tore what once was the largest fan base of any IP asunder brought a fresh wave of criticism to one of the largest fandoms in all of media, teaching and inspiring aspiring writers and anyone with a desire to learn about storytelling through videos like this and creators like you Mauler.
It is about the only positive contribution I can think of that this movie made: that it was so terrible and ripe for criticism that it inadvertently taught millions how to write better.
Very well said.
12:50 - _"This is a kind of Stockholm Syndrome you deal with when people love something unconditionally."_
I love *actual* Star Wars damn near unconditionally. You know, stuff like the Expanded Universe.
This movie was not that. This shit can burn.
LightningNC Except he's not referring to you.
He's referring to the actual people who defend the movie. Well, I say defend, they usually just attack the fans or the other movies, but that's besides the point.
In order to defend it, they have to make major leaps in logic in order to attempt to explain how the movie can possibly function, leaps they would not make for an ordinary movie. So, in that respect, it's absolutely like SS.
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England And I love all these people saying that the originals had similar flaws. As if that excuses things in the new movies when said flaws are so much worse here.
Unconditional love does not exist. There's always a condition......
Personally I dont care about fan or critique opinions. Instead I consider the opinion of the most average movie goer and non fan: my mother. After we watched the last Jedi the only thing she said to me was : the previews looked good.
I think it says everything about how really mediocre the movie was....
Burn it......Burn it ALL!!!!!
Rian Johnson has actually “answered” people’s questions about the scene where Holdo uses hyperspace to destroy the ships. He said that it had never been done before because it was just such a crazy idea, and that Holdo “pulled it out of her butt”. I am not kidding. He basically acknowledged that it was a ridiculous deus ex machina, and saw nothing wrong with that. Good GOD.
Except it kinda was done before if only by accident. In Rogue One no less
Meanwhile we can’t have Luke get off his planet because raising his X-Wing out of the water would not make sense. Among other things.
Schinak They didn't hyperdrive through a fucking ship in Rouge One, they came out of lightspeed and appeared in front several ships. Not even remotely the same thing.
+SolarDragon007 Keep trying. They came out right in front of the ship and HOldo would have to do the same to cause PHYSICAL damage since you don't HIT things in hyperdrive >_> The stunt is bullshit. There is no defense
BY the old logic of Star Wars, hyperspace is an alternate dimension so you wouldn't collide with ships in hyperspace., but you can now because it's a convenient Deus Ex Machina. Plus there was 25,000 years of Hyperspace technology in Star Wars, if you could use hyperspace kamikaze, someone would have already done it during all the years and all the wars.
It’s been a few years now and this movie actually gets worse every time I watch these kinds of videos.
I think I actually formed an amnesiac barrier around this traumatic movie in the theater. It's so bad that I can't even remember most of it, other than a few prominent scenes.
"Pretty but vapid on its own" and "A sequel to 7 star wars movies that only exist in Rian Johnson's head".
"Good bye slaves. You will be punished because I tried to murder your bosses. Good luck." Love from Rose Tico, Disney Star Wars
"You also have months and months of whippings and lack of sleep to look forward to, while you clean up our mess."
Funny hearing him talk about the palpatine theory after having seen episode 9
St.PatrickStar Well he did assume Palpatine was dead during the events of the sequels. The sequels are just separate adventures with similar characters. Like the clone wars if the clone wars was horrendously botched and in chronological order
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Too bad they didn't actually do ANYTHING with it, especially considering everything Mauler came up with.
Also the “snoke is a clone” theory.
He even mentions “wouldn’t be surprised if JJ abrams runs with that idea
@@killerkitten7534 Crackpot theory: What if JJ watches MauLer??
My favorite bit of SWEU knowledge is that someone DID think of Holdo's maneuver but better. They made a ship that was basically a pilotable missile that was also indestructible. A Jedi used it to slice through whole ships (though not at FTL speed). This is a story idea from at least 30 years ago.
And didn't they use that same idea in a LEGO parody show?
"Next time you watch the film"
Good one, as if that's going to happen
Not gonna lie, I unashamedly shouted, "You have the Force!!" when Kylo was supposedly being choked by that guard.
TLJ would be more fun to watch if I could yell at the screen in the theater.
Alex The Last Jedi is literally worthy of Mystery Science Theater 3000 for all that I saw of it on Mauler's videos. It might be even more if I saw it in theaters which I am glad I didn't.
Lol that got on my nerves. They just don't want to give him any credit.
Alex preach it!
The fight with the guards did briefly remove my boredom watching this shitfest, but I couldn't shake the question why Snoke's guards cared to fight Kylo when their protectee was just cut the fuck in half.
Paused at the "Hux slaps Finn" part to come down here and say that every time I see Hux, all I can think is that Molly Weasley would kick his ass for behaving like this.
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Oh right, I forgot he played Bill. Molly is too wholesome for the Star Wars universe. It doesn't deserve her.
I’d rather deal with Snoke than an angry Molly Weasley! 🤣
@@bookbarbros5450 lmfao
I think the best star wars duel is Anakin vs Obi Wan, so emotional and heart breaking that they're fighting and great choreography.
I respect your opinion but the actual best fight in Star Wars is Yoda vs R2. Nah, I’m just kidding, Ani v Obi is the best fight.
I really like it because it truly feels like they're throwing everything, literally everything, they have at one another. You can really tell that they're fighting with every ounce of skill they have, because one skip up means death.
I've watched this series 6 times through now. Your ranting is incredibly soothing to listen to. I know it took you an ice age cycle short of an eon for you to create this in depth series. Your work was and still is appreciated. Thank you for making this.
I really related to Phasma when she dropped the shields in Force Awakens and let all her comrades get incinerated. What a great character
That's what all leaders and special forces are trained to do... be individuals and endanger their fellow soldiers at the benefit of personal safety. (Absolute genius)
Did the writers never see any training videos of soldiers? They're broken down to be a cog and to be a unit, at the expense of the individual. That's why they "serve", both their country and their superiors/peers. They don't even need to see any videos, just look at any patriot or veteran. Especially since they live in the U.S. where there's so many of them.
@@SkyNinja759 this.
@@turtleanton6539 this?
@@shazzboz this…?
Rey’s parents were nobody... Snoke was nobody... Snoke was Rey’s dad! Confirmed
Take that Rian! You still can't kill the Snoke theories!
To actually indulge this for a second, that would be another interesting angle for this. Snoke was some Imperial remnant who rallied the First Order, dumped his Child on Jakku to rise through the ranks and used the Dark Side as a means to rise through their ranks. Maybe seeing how Kylo turned out from Snoke's grooming makes her question the value she placed on her past and family, gives her a foil to sympathize with (not forgive, but connect with and dissect) on how they bonded with the other's parent as a proper parental figure, a question of nature (their own choices) vs nurture (their teacher's influence, whether from Han, Luke, or both)
And that illustrates why Rian's dismissal is so bad. Not simply for the lack of a payoff at the reveal, but it cuts out interesting avenues for character development, even if the reveal doesn't have an impact on status directly, it can motivate actions or dynamics.
I caught a boner for a second off rey but its gone
@Un-broken and victorious That would be a nice reveal. BUT unfortunately Rian Johnson didn't care about any cool storyline, subverting expectations and dumb jokes is all we got...
Ma-Rey Sue was the spawn of Palpatine and Jar Jar.
Nobody brought Rey. Was Rey looking out for Nobody? You could say that in the next episode, they will find Nobody. Rey will be asked:
-"Who are you looking for?".
Then she will strike a pose, with her mouth open, and say: "Nobody".
-"No one? Anyone?"
She then press her teeth becoming anxious(mouth still opened): "Have you seen Nobody? I'm looking for Nobody!"
Sudden realization: If Gwendolyn Christie in the armor in the sun is hot enough to cook the casseroles she stuffed in there... it's easily hot enough to cook her as well..
Every time he plays the "NAZI!" line from Mark Hamil I just imagine the Joker / Red skull confrontation where Joker beats up Red Skull for being a Nazi.
Joker loves murder and chaos, but he draws the line at Nazis.
...Respect.
@@occam7382 He may be a Psychopath, but he's an AMERICAN psychopath!
Hearing the creators of the Sequel Trilogy say that Poe needs to learn to “blindly follow authority” tells me they know nothing about Star Wars because the entire story of the Prequels was about how blindly following orders from the Senate led to the fall of the Jedi.
Right, and the OT was literally centered around a rebellion...
But always just blindly follow authority, lol.
One of the most compelling and dark arcs of the Clone Wars involved the 501st taking Planet Umbara. When Anakin is called back to Coruscant, he’s replaced by a Jedi named Pong Krell as their commanding officer. Krell clearly doesn’t like clones, and sends Rex and his men on increasingly more and more dangerous missions (even when more viable strategies present themselves.)
throughout the arc, Rex and Fives go on suicide mission after suicide mission, only surviving because of their training and daring ingenuity in a hopeless situation, and while neither is happy, as captain, Rex is trying to keep his men together on the basis that Krell is a decorated commander and war hero.
SPOILER ALERT from here on, but when Rex is sent forward, told that the enemy has stolen clone weapons and armor and plans to infiltrate their ranks, the 501st gets into a skirmish, only to discover that they had been killing other clones who had also been told about enemies in disguise... Krell had sent them to kill one another...
As it turns out, Pong Krell foresaw the rise of Palpatine and planned to become a Jedi defector, purposely sabotaging his own men... and he admits he was RELYING on the Clones trusting him and blindly following his orders to the end...
Rex’s loyalty, which is usually a virtue in other episodes, became the reason why many good clones died... The Last Jedi must have missed the memo...
Those aren't the creators, that's the Redlettermedia bunch.
When if people think something isn't right they should question authority not blindly obey it. And according to Rian the Poe and Holdo scene was supposed to be her flirting with him. No wonder the man's surname is Johnson because he clearly thinks with it.
@S W “good soldiers follow orders…”
1:37:30 _"Emperor. Palpatines. Broken. Personal. Yacht. Armor"_
See, most Star Wars characters have Plot Armor.
Phasma has Yacht Armor!
And she digs YACHT ROCK!
Don't you mean 'emporer'?
I gave Rey a backstory. She’s got bad breath, is a lousy kisser, has an annoying laugh, and farts when she eats. I couldn’t deal with the perfection
No wonder kylo died
@@teddyj5187 LMAOO
@@teddyj5187 Great. Her backstory in the comment section now explains how his "lover" is dead thanks to it. Someone please expand this lore.
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Skipped a movie and they are almost in love. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Rey beats Luke in combat.
Rey beats Luke in combat.
Rey beats Luke in combat.
Say it. *SAY. IT.*
Say it and really consider it and what it means.
It means my childhood has been raped
He wasn't trying to hurt her. Seems pretty obvious
To be fair on this one, Luke was soundly handling her when they were just sparring with sticks. She's the one that whipped out a fucking lightsaber in this squabble. This is equivalent of engaging in fist fight over a disagreement between acquaintances and ending it by pulling out an M16.
It means he was baffled, disconnected from the force for ages and not even trying because he knew she didn't mean to harm him is what that means.
@@jeffwallace673 An master can still beat an student with no intent to kill him.
"Chewbacca being reduced to an Uber driver is pretty sad" Wow
Black flatted-headed BB8: Exists
Mark Hamel: (points) "NAWT-SEE!!!!!"
I just want to applaud you on creating the most comprehensive and astute video essays I have ever listened to. My friend suggested you and I tend to be incredibly apprehensive towards content like this when recommended by someone as I feel it is typically just an extension of their beliefs ratified by searching for content that affirms their already established bias. I went in extra defensive as the first video he told me to listen to was your unbridled rage against The Snyder Cut, of which I am a HUGE DC fan who was monumentally let down by the Joss Whedon version and then subsequently felt vindicated by the Snyder Cut. I already understood that objectively neither film was good, and had I seen the Snyder Cut alone would have been utterly underwhelmed, but standing atop the ashes of what I [rightfully] felt the DCEU was, I saw redemption personified in said Snyder cut. It was actually not bad-and for me that was enough. But after listening to your arguments for why Joss’ version was the superior film, I learned that I can subjectively disagree with you and hold on to my enjoyment and disdain for the two films respectively, but also objectively understand that you were right on the vast majority of points you made. All of that to say I have now fallen countless hours into your back catalog (the starwars films) and cannot properly express just how refreshing it is to listen to someone not only make intellectually sound points that are propped up with objectivity and reason, but are so sound and succinct that they become resolutely air-tight PLUS are accompanied with a plethora of supportive examples and even thought out solutions. You argue your own points from the position of “devil’s advocate” just to smartly point out the solidity and totality of your defense for points you are making. And I love that you also provide alternatives and solutions for problems instead of just doing what plenty of other “critical thinkers” do in their videos which is bitch and whine whilst giving no answer to their flaccid complaints, or create flaccid points with zero or even contradictory foundations when they are in support of something faulty. I hope you get the opportunity to read this and understand exactly what kind of impact you’ve had on my critical intake of film lately and know that you are a refreshing voice in a sea of screaming seagulls flocking to whatever the latest bloated whale carcass is that washed ashore for the masses to engulf without caring for what sustenance is actually there to glean and instead simply support because bandwagons (and also faux counter-bandwagons) provide them with a lowest-denominator following of morons. To quote my favorite Workaholics, your work, good sir, is “very tight butthole” 👌🏼
"Why is any of this is in my star wars film?" -- THANK YOU!
Again, the problem is not that message being there. We see the same in Episode I with the whole slavery thing, the quote "The republic doesn't exist out here" said by Shmi Skywalker, the fact that she is a sacrificed mother that has done everything in her power to keep her child safe without any reward, and how Watto loses everything for his greed, but no one cared, and it wasn't even that well-written, but it had synergy with the story, it feel part of it. Here it's just something added for no reason at all, an entire plot line that goes nowhere, just because.
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Man, whenever Mark Hamill is talking about the changes in his character, he seems really afflicted, even breathing heavily as if he is about to have some sort of breakdown. Maybe Im exaggerating, but he seems to be suffering for real, so sad.
Glad i'm not the only one who thought that. The poor man.
He is
It's a shame. Even if he is just another crank on Twitter lol.
Actors can (don't need to, but can) become _extremely_ attached to their characters. It isn't unusual for actors who actually care about the story they are working on to spend time talking with the director and/or writers about how the character thinks, their personality, their emotions... Mark Hamil is most likely the person on Earth who _best_ understands what Luke's character was in the OT, because of this; for him, seeing Jake Skywalker most likely hurts like it does nobody else.
@@mordirit8727 jake Skywalker 😭😭😭😭
4 years late, but this video is amazing, and thank you for this shot 1:40:04
I just realised that Holdo is dressed like the war profiteers on Kanto Byte. She's literally dressed like a villain
Her hair is dressed like a villain too
Fun fact, in the original star wars lore jumping into hyperspace was jumping into a DIFFERENT DIMENSION that was kinda like jumping into a wormhole to get to some place faster. This in itself had extensive lore from terrifying creatures to an entire civilization being trapped in said dimension.
It's impossible to ram ships with hyperdrive because you're LITERALLY IN ANOTHER DIMENSION DURING IT.
Well throw it on the plot hole pile
@@granite6760 more like he didn't care
@@cursedgaraged5801 it would be a mountain by now
I heard someone refer to hyper space as a moving sidewalk and my world is shattering
Exactly. That's why it's called hyperspace and not hyperspeed! The name hyperspace is pretty self-explanatory.
Ha... imagine it. First Order boarding party fights it's way to Ackbars bridge. As soon as they arrive, he swivels in his chair... "It's a trap!" And self destructs the ship.
Eyes would roll but only to hide the tears.
Hell, maybe make someone in the First Order group say that.
They burst into the bridge, only to see Ackbar turn to face them...and he's holding a detonator of some sort in his hands. One of them sees it and realizes what Ackbar intends to do, starts to scream "It's a tra-" right as Ackbar triggers the detonator. Then we get a nice exterior shot of the ship exploding, and Ackbar gets a nice sendoff.
that's beautiful and awesome at the same time.
Ben Cochrane
Doug - Duuuuuuuude. I love the translation. I literally LOL'd. For 5 minutes.
Ben Cochrane normally that would detract from the real emotion of the scene but since The Last Jedi does that many times anyway, that would somehow fit
I'd call into question Finn being able to 'hold his own' against Kylo with a lightsaber. If Kylo can move as fast as Jedi, then he should have been able to swing the lightsaber multiple times faster than Finn, and easily best him.
Agreed. Shouldn’t matter that Kylo was injured.
It feels like the idea was that they were planning to make Finn a force user too but then lost the notes of that story arc in the later films gave up on it.
I don't know if this is established anywhere but with things like using the Force to enhance their abilities, like to jump higher, it makes sense that their reflexes are able to be enhanced too. That's why they can deflect and reflect blaster bolts so easily, and lets them fight the way they do. If Kylo was remotely trained, Finn should have been dead in one swing, because Luke with very minimal training was able to deflect shots from the training bot without seeing them.
I always was under the impression that Kylo was toying with him as once Finn gets a hit in, he just ends the fight like its nothing.
@@Boyzby I think the idea in that scene is that Kylo toys with Finn cus once Finn gets a hit in, Kylo finish him off like its nothing. Having said that, Finn is also trained to fight with melee weapons and powerful jedis often fight non jedis who manage to do fine against them in both OT, PT and stuff like clone wars animated series so its not exclusive to the sequels.